Time Nick Message 00:27 wizzyrea get the popcorn is <reply> http://i.imgur.com/p3cHE.gif 00:27 wizzyrea get the popcorn 00:27 wahanui http://i.imgur.com/p3cHE.gif 00:27 wizzyrea yuss. 01:37 druthb aw, nuts. http://googlereader.blogspot.com/2013/03/powering-down-google-reader.html 01:40 drojf druthb: in case you are getting a key to use google translate with pootle, could you get the key for apertium too please? 01:40 druthb okie dokie. :) 01:40 drojf yay \o/ 02:18 wajasu whilst setting up overdue notices (koha v10.2) i historically have "The Library" <thelibrary@thehost.org> in KohaAdminEmailAddress and that works. 02:18 wajasu but my mails have thelibrary@thehost.org 02:19 wajasu so i looked at overdue notices.pl and see branchemail and i have that filled in as thelibrary@thehost.org so that is being used instead. 02:20 wajasu one issue is the web page doesn't seem to handle double quotes for the KohaadminEmailAddress 02:20 wizzyrea 10.2? 02:21 wajasu yes 02:21 wizzyrea 3.10.2? 02:21 wahanui i think 3.10.2 is released on the same date right? 02:21 wajasu yeah. 02:21 wizzyrea phew, I was confused there for a minute :) 02:22 wajasu another issue is I noticed my template contains the branchemail. and since I put "The Library" <thelibarary@thehost.org> the template substitution gobbled up the part in <> 02:22 wizzyrea I have never known anyone to put in anything other than a bare email address in KohaAdminEmailAddress 02:22 wizzyrea I think you're the first. 02:23 wajasu :) 02:23 wizzyrea the first I know of, anyway 02:24 wizzyrea i'm actually not surprised that it doesn't work. 02:24 jcamins It's not supposed to work. 02:24 jcamins That'd be pretty cool, but it definitely is a space for e-mail address. 02:25 wajasu since the branchemail is taken and my librarian wants emails sent with the "The Library" showing, AND would want the thelibrary@thehost.org showing too, i am stuck. 02:25 wizzyrea @quote get 123 02:25 wahanui http://xkcd.com/1172/ 02:25 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 02:26 jcamins A patch could make that work easily enough. 02:27 wajasu yeah. 02:27 wizzyrea yep, if you want your particular 123 addressed, you'd better be prepared to send a patch :) 02:27 jcamins It's just that's not how the feature has been supposed to work. 02:27 FCCAP hello all, is there anyone around who might be able to answer a quick question? 02:27 * wizzyrea looks around 02:27 jcamins And if you want it in in 3.12, the patch needs to be submitted by the end of the day Friday. 02:27 jcamins ask? 02:27 wahanui Don't ask to ask, just ask. 02:27 wizzyrea sure. 02:27 FCCAP lol, can do, each IRC is a bit different on protocol is all... 02:28 wajasu i'll just have them clear the branchemail and type it in iterally inthe notice. and let overduenotice pick up the KohaAdminEmailAddress. 02:28 wizzyrea works if you only have one branch. :P 02:28 jcamins wajasu: and that's even easier. :) 02:28 wizzyrea FCCAP: we're the friendly sort of IRC 02:29 FCCAP I'm looking at setting this up for a church, my question is this, they have a paid linux based webhoster, would it be possible to run this on that, or is it an application that requires an nix executable to be run on server. I only ask because the church is very small (prob 150 books) and not a lot of a funds for a dedicated computer. 02:29 jcamins Probably not possible. 02:29 FCCAP I like the friendly type, it's right up my ally. 02:30 wizzyrea probably not possible :( but - you might consider one of the live cd's 02:30 FCCAP I host my site on the same hoster system so I thought about looking into it tonight to see if it would be something I could setup as a test, but I thought I would check with the experts before I go thru the steps 02:30 wizzyrea for that it would take really very extremely modest hardware 02:30 wizzyrea 150 books is eensy 02:30 wajasu i did fix bug 2249, but its not really a priority. 02:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2249 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED REMIND, Error in barcodesGenerator.pl 02:30 wajasu whoops 02:31 wajasu bug 2499 02:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2499 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, Needs Signoff , Improvement on text wrapping algorithm needed 02:32 FCCAP well, the system that is there would most likely handle it, the only concern I have is the memory, it's currently only got 512MB ram, but a potentially bigger concern would be that the librarian is somewhere nearing her 70's and I'm not sure introducing her to linux (even for browsing would be something that would be feasible) 02:32 wizzyrea have you looked at the demos at all? 02:32 jcamins You don't necessarily need root access, but you do need the ability to run non-PHP/Perl/whatever software. 02:32 wajasu if there was a bug you really need signed off by friday, tell me. i think i am up for 1 or two. 02:33 wizzyrea anything feature-y 02:33 FCCAP ok so that does answer that then, it's not something that would be strictly a web based with a mysql database access that I could configure that way. 02:33 wizzyrea bug 6739 02:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6739 major, P5 - low, ---, chrish, Needs Signoff , expired patrons not blocked from opac actions 02:34 wizzyrea wb kathryn 02:34 wizzyrea bug 9811 02:34 FCCAP one more quick question, are there any issues with basic automatic bar code scanners that I should be on the lookout for? I have to admit, my experience in ILS has been 4 years with Polaris ILS in a Public Library and Evergreen ILS as IT Admin 02:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9811 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Patrons search improvements 02:34 kathryn :) it's not a sign that I've finished... 02:35 wizzyrea nope, if you can scan into a text box, it will work with koha 02:37 FCCAP excellent, I like the compatibility....thank you all kindly. If I can convince the Church to go with this, I'll get it all setup, and then I look forward to being an active member of the community to help out others as well. You all are def of the kind IRC folk. I need to get my proposal written up for them now. 02:37 wizzyrea good luck :) 02:37 wizzyrea live cd? 02:37 wahanui live cd is not always recommendable or available on sourceforge can i use it? 02:37 wizzyrea erm, not helpful wahanui. 02:37 wizzyrea forget live cd 02:37 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot live cd 02:37 FCCAP I didn't really find any specs listed, is there a min or recommended mem requirement? The current system is an Athlon 2000+ with 512, I know that will support debian, but what about the ILS? 02:38 wizzyrea you know, for the size you've got, probably 1 gig would be better, but it should work on 512. 02:38 FCCAP yea I'm not real big on live cds unless it's just something to run as a temp thing, maybe a demo or something 02:38 wizzyrea might be tight though. 02:39 wizzyrea tight and/or slower than you might like. 02:39 FCCAP ok I'll give it a shot with the 512, and then in 2 weeks I'll be getting the rest of my gear down here (just moved 16 hours away), and I'll have plenty of memory to upgrade if needed 02:39 wizzyrea *nod* 02:39 wizzyrea also, I'd go with the packages for your install 02:39 wizzyrea much easier than a tarball 02:39 FCCAP well this church has an average age of like 65+ so slower might be better, we are in central florida, so it's mainly comprised of Snow Birdds 02:40 wizzyrea hehe 02:40 FCCAP oh yea GIT, would be my install method 02:40 FCCAP thank you all again for the advice and guidance, I look forward to our next meeting. 02:40 wizzyrea hm, i'd still probably go with packages for production and use git for your development box >.> 02:40 * wizzyrea sighs 02:41 wizzyrea bugs is also http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/44776341195/bug-reports-after-a-new-release 02:41 wahanui okay, wizzyrea. 02:41 wizzyrea bugs? 02:41 wahanui bugs is found at http://bugs.koha-community.org. Please fix any bugs you find. :) or reporting them is helpful, too. 02:42 wizzyrea new release is http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/44776341195/bug-reports-after-a-new-release 02:42 wizzyrea new release? 02:42 wahanui it has been said that new release is http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/44776341195/bug-reports-after-a-new-release 02:42 wizzyrea forget new release 02:42 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot new release 02:42 wizzyrea new release is <reply> http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/44776341195/bug-reports-after-a-new-release 02:42 wizzyrea new release? 02:42 wahanui http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/44776341195/bug-reports-after-a-new-release 02:42 wizzyrea yep. 02:45 wizzyrea using git instead of packages for production is <reply> http://media.tumblr.com/2f97c667249a55cd90116bfa73b60d3d/tumblr_inline_misskuTgjp1qz4rgp.gif 02:47 wizzyrea the most common incoming request is <reply> http://i.imgur.com/ldAL5.gif 02:59 BobB wizzyrea lol 02:59 BobB how'd you get that photo of our sys admin? 02:59 BobB :0 03:00 trea ha 03:03 wizzyrea :D 04:11 wajasu does that add course reserves need more signoff? 04:11 jcamins Yes. 04:12 * jcamins leaves. 04:12 * wajasu leaves 05:20 cait morning 07:16 * magnuse waves 07:16 magnuse wow, i sure got the voting thing wrong... 07:33 drojf good morning 07:35 wizzyrea mornin 07:35 rangi i thought it was this morning too magnuse 07:36 wizzyrea what the meeting? 07:36 wahanui the meeting is at 6, so I need to leave in about two and a half hours. 07:36 rangi the voting 07:36 wahanui the voting is broken https://landfill.bugzilla.org/bugzilla_l10n/page.cgi?id=release-notes.html#v40_feat_vot_ext 07:37 magnuse ah, not just me being confused then ;-) 07:37 magnuse wahanui: forget the meeting 07:37 wahanui magnuse: I forgot meeting 07:37 wizzyrea forget the voting 07:37 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot voting 07:38 drojf so i am not crazy, i thought that too 07:38 magnuse or we are all crazy... 07:39 drojf mass hysteria 07:39 magnuse eeeek 07:39 drojf :) 07:39 magnuse so wizzyrea moves to nz and immediately there is a drought? 07:39 wizzyrea ikr. 07:40 wizzyrea and massive snow storms in kansas. 07:43 magnuse ooh, even more spooky 07:43 drojf woah a huge piece of ice just fell from the roof and passed my window. yay sunshine 07:43 magnuse maybe you could spend a summer holiday here in norway some time? ;-) 07:45 magnuse bonjour sophie_m 07:45 magnuse @wunder marseille 07:45 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 2.0°C (8:30 AM CET on March 14, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady). 07:45 magnuse gah! 07:46 sophie_m yep, as you say ;-) 07:46 alex_a bonjour 07:46 wahanui privet, alex_a 07:46 * magnuse makes a note of bringing his skis to the hackfest 07:46 sophie_m but it should be better this WE magnuse 07:46 magnuse yay! 07:47 wizzyrea what do you need snow? 07:48 wizzyrea or less of it. 07:48 * magnuse has plenty of snow now 07:48 reiveune hello 07:48 * magnuse was hoping to find spring on the shores of the mediteranean 07:48 wizzyrea oh I know what the problem is - moving to NZ drastically reduced my carbon footprint, so my lack of CO2 output is totally throwing off the global climate. That must be it. 07:49 wizzyrea </nonsense> 07:49 magnuse wizzyrea: that sure sounds like scientific explanation! 07:49 wizzyrea of course that was probably offset by the plane ride I took to get here in the first place. 07:50 magnuse hehe 07:51 magnuse how is your nz carbon fottprint smaller than your us one, wizzyrea? 07:51 wizzyrea no cars, more walking, less trash, more recycling 07:51 wizzyrea less stuff. 07:52 wizzyrea more locally produced food (< 300km-ish) 07:52 wizzyrea (some comes much further, but a lot more is local, especially seasonal vegetables) 07:55 magnuse wizzyrea: yay! 07:55 magnuse nz++ 07:56 * magnuse starts looking for an alternative to google reader 07:56 wizzyrea awful. Really irritated about it. 07:57 drojf somehow i read that everywhere i go. you're all slaves to google :P 07:58 magnuse guilty! 07:58 wizzyrea meh, it's a product I've used for years, and like. 07:58 * magnuse too 07:58 wizzyrea i'm tempted to go all hipster on you and say I used it before it was cool. 07:58 magnuse hehe 07:58 drojf »look, that centralized service of that spying corporation. how can something like that suddenly shutdown?« :P 07:58 rangi its one of the few ones that didnt track you, hence why they are killing it 07:59 drojf rangi: ah, that makes sense 07:59 magnuse anyone know a good, free software, web-based alternative? 08:00 * magnuse starts dreaming of a collaborative feed reader for library people, again 08:04 drojf rangi++ 08:05 rangi http://selfoss.aditu.de/ 08:05 rangi disclaimer never actually tried it 08:05 rangi but it is gplv3 08:06 wizzyrea hm that looks interesting 08:06 rangi yup 08:07 magnuse yeah, that sounds promising 08:08 magnuse the name even sounds like some place in norway :-) 08:09 drojf heh true 08:10 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 08:10 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is -4.0°C (8:50 AM CET on March 14, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady). 08:10 rangi @wunder nzwn 08:10 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0°C (8:00 PM NZDT on March 14, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Rising). 08:11 drojf just 21° more. that's nothing 08:11 drojf i got sun :) 08:11 drojf as long as i don't leave the house it seems like a nice spring day here 08:14 magnuse @wunder boo 08:14 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -6.0°C (8:50 AM CET on March 14, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Windchill: -13.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady). 08:14 magnuse boo 08:16 drojf :) 08:19 christophe_c hello #koha 08:20 drojf hi christophe_c 08:20 drojf guten morgen cait 08:20 cait good morning drojf 08:20 cait christophe_c: how is the weather project? 08:22 christophe_c hello drjf cait 08:24 christophe_c cait windy today but by the way sunny ;-) 08:24 cait good :) work some more on it :) 08:24 cait @wunder marseille 08:25 huginn cait: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 3.0°C (9:00 AM CET on March 14, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Windchill: -5.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady). 08:27 christophe_c yep cait I am working on it ;-) 08:27 cait christophe_c: that's not so warm.... but I had lots of snow the last 3 days... so i won't complain 08:27 asaurat actually, the forecasts predict a very rainy week :p 08:28 rangi get inside and work!! 08:28 rangi :) 08:28 asaurat hehe 08:28 cait rangi: tsk. 08:28 cait :) 08:28 christophe_c you know cait, yesterday afternoon => 14° but with the wind the temp. drops 08:28 cait @wunder leipzig 08:28 huginn cait: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Willi-Bredel-Strabe DE, Leipzig, Germany is -7.2°C (9:03 AM CET on March 14, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: -9.0°C. Windchill: -13.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady). 08:29 cait @wunder Konstanz 08:29 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -4.3°C (9:25 AM CET on March 14, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady). 08:29 cait ugh 08:29 asaurat http://www.tameteo.com/meteo_Marseille-Europe-France-Bouches+du+Rhone-LFML-1-26127.html 08:29 drojf strabe :D 08:32 cait drojf: huh? 08:32 drojf (09:26:04) huginn: cait: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Willi-Bredel-Strabe 08:33 drojf it does the ß>B>b thing 08:34 cait ah 08:34 cait interesitng 08:34 wizzyrea oh hey, europeans - bug 9745 08:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9745 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Don't nuke translated permissions with changes introduced in bug 9382 08:35 wizzyrea just don't want it to get missed. 08:35 wizzyrea before release 08:36 wizzyrea because I don't want to be responsible for nuking your translated strings :P 08:37 cait hehe 08:37 cait it's on my list indeed 08:37 cait drojf: could you sign off maybe? 08:37 rangi wizzyrea: will probably not go to the cricket tomorrow, looks like england will bat all day, and i dont want to pay $43 to watch them bat 08:43 * magnuse does not want rangi to go all batty 08:43 * cait read bat and was thinking dadadadadada batman! 08:44 rangi heh 08:44 * wizzyrea totally doesn't understand cricket but believes you when you say it would be a suboptimal experience 08:45 * wizzyrea is keen to learn tho 08:50 drojf cait1: no signing off for me, got other problems to solve, sorry 08:50 rangi yep, we can go to one that will have a bit more happening and costs a bit less as a good learning one 08:51 cait1 hm sorry 08:51 cait1 got kicked out 08:51 cait1 guess my batman comment was lost too? 08:51 drojf the apertium channel talks in complete computerlinguist gibberish <3 08:51 rangi nope saw that 08:52 wizzyrea nope, I laughed 08:52 cait1 drojf: that's ok - was just hoping to speed it up :) 08:52 cait1 drojf: you have strange taste :) 08:55 cait1 t 08:55 tanzi hi im trying to edit the view of addbooks.pl .I want to add an <a href ..> to this view. where should i edit? 08:56 tanzi i opened addbooks.tmpl 08:56 cait1 hi Viktor :) 08:56 tanzi couldnt find where to edit 08:56 tanzi new to TMPL usage 08:57 tanzi have some perl knowledge 08:57 tanzi Please help.. 08:57 tanzi hi cait1 can u help me 08:58 cait1 tanzi: what exactly do you want to do? 08:58 wizzyrea you want to look in koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/cataloguing/ 08:58 drojf [off] "it can take any pron, not just nominative" *giggles* 08:58 wizzyrea you should find an addbooks.tt 08:59 * cait1 hands drojf frog pills 08:59 cait1 we were discussing terry pratchett earlier 08:59 wizzyrea that's where you'll put you <a href="...">link</a> 08:59 cait1 ook 08:59 rangi you shouldnt be seeing .tmpl files 08:59 rangi what version of koha tanzi? 08:59 wizzyrea right only tt 08:59 cait1 as bugzila don't want to open for me... could someone tell me abut bug 9711 - lookng for the information if it should work with xslt or normal view 09:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9711 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , OPACPopupAuthorsSearch ugly in CSSR 09:00 tanzi Koha version: 3.02.06.000 09:00 wizzyrea ah 09:01 wizzyrea same place but addbooks.tmpl 09:01 wizzyrea and where on the page are you trying to stick it? 09:01 * wizzyrea missed the "I opened that" 09:02 Viktor hi cait1 09:02 cait1 ah never midn - I think I got bugzilla open now 09:02 wizzyrea cait: it doesn't say 09:02 wizzyrea afaict 09:02 tanzi actually i want to set my custom framework as default 09:02 rangi thats a pretty old version of Koha 09:02 tanzi when i add 09:02 cait1 wizzyrea: hm. I will try normal view 09:02 cait1 can't see anything happen in xslt 09:03 rangi hi paul_p 09:03 cait1 hi paul_p 09:04 tanzi is it possible to upgrade my koha to the recent stable version by keeping the older version as it is 09:04 rangi ?? 09:05 tanzi i want to upgrade without any damage to the code and the db 09:05 rangi so you want to change it without anything changing? the answer then is no 09:06 tanzi i will backup my db 09:06 wizzyrea always a good plan 09:06 tanzi but how to backup the code? 09:06 tanzi it is not as simple like backing up one single directory 09:07 tanzi i am not sure where th koha code is distributed.. 09:07 tanzi in the filesystem 09:07 tanzi is everythig in the /usr/share/koha? 09:07 tanzi when i search for keyword koha i find this 09:08 tanzi i am correct? 09:10 tanzi hey.. 09:10 tanzi anybody there? 09:11 cait1 Joubu: around? 09:12 tanzi anybody there to tell me which directory to backup my installed koha code in Debian 6 before upgrading to a newer version 09:12 tanzi of koha 09:14 drojf tanzi: have you made local changes to your koha? or do you mean your koha data in general? 09:14 drojf to backup the data in general, you would save the sql, not the koha code 09:14 drojf if you have local changes in the codebase you are on your own 09:17 slef tanzi: depends how you installed it. 09:19 tanzi ok then while upgrading ,will the new db be compatible with the newer one so that i be able to import older data to the upgraded db 09:20 tanzi i mean will the new db is compatible with older db structure? 09:20 wizzyrea yes, it should work 09:20 slef tanzi: yes, as long as you run the upgrade script(s), it will change the older db to the new one. 09:20 slef or actually, I think it may prompt you on first admin login, as long as you're upgrading from a version after 3.4 09:21 cait1 tanzi: koha will upgrade the db structure for you 09:21 wizzyrea no, 3.2 09:21 slef wizzyrea: as in, after 3.4.0 09:21 wizzyrea as in, he's running 3.2 09:21 wizzyrea :) 09:21 cait1 slef: why would it not prompt before? didn't it always? 09:21 slef wizzyrea: oic. Will need to run the items converter too. 09:21 cait1 like always since I can remember - which is 3.2 alpha or so :) 09:21 wizzyrea yeap 09:21 slef cait1: it doesn't run the items converter does it? 09:22 wizzyrea newp 09:22 wizzyrea not automatically. 09:22 cait1 not automatically 09:22 cait1 heh 09:22 cait1 never. 09:22 wizzyrea WINNING 09:22 slef wizzyrea: the kiwish lessons are working, then? 09:22 rangi the packages do 09:22 rangi so there 09:22 wahanui i guess so there is no way we can enable it I think 09:22 cait1 rangi: I think they prompt - but you have to run 09:22 cait1 them 09:22 rangi nope 09:22 * wizzyrea has always said yeap and newp :P 09:23 * slef gets into the longest argument with git about a QA 09:23 * wizzyrea sympathises 09:23 cait1 hm. 09:24 Joubu cait1: hello 09:24 tanzi ok thank you, that was my first useful IRC, thankyou all, by4now tk core of koah :-) 09:24 wizzyrea we tend it every day ;) 09:25 tanzi c u all again 09:25 wizzyrea good luck 09:26 * slef junks the QA 09:26 * slef tries to do the mental gymnastics to rebase it 09:33 slef Changes submitted for bug 9103 09:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9103 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Signed Off , overdue_notices.pl should use AutoEmailPrimaryAddress syspref 09:48 cait1 Joubu: sorry... on at train. I wanted to ask you about 9711 - but probably won#t make much sense to try and figure that out right now with bad internet connection 09:51 cait1 but looking at anothe of your bugs now :) 09:51 Joubu cait1: yep I saw your comment, I will try to provide a better test plan 09:52 cait1 Joubu: I am sorry - not trying to be difficult there - just really couldn't get it to show up 09:52 cait1 must be missing osmething 09:52 cait1 I tried normal and xslt and made sure the pref was turned on 09:56 tanzi hi 09:56 tanzi i ve come with another doubt ;-) 09:57 tanzi i want to know whether i could print the result of my search output. 09:59 tanzi itried to add my search output to a list and print it, but when i add to list i can add it only page by page to a list. 10:00 tanzi Any help for printing the search list,please 10:04 cait1 tanzi: maybe try exporting it into one of the provided formats 10:04 cait1 or use a csv profile -b ut that feature is only available in versions 3.6+ I think 10:37 slef [off] "Look at what they make you give" http://gobblin.se/u/mjray/m/crashing-into-a-badly-placed-light-pole/ 10:47 slef "PTFS Europe have also just added an inter-library loan capability to Koha." Anyone know about that? I'm not spotting it in git log. 10:47 slef bug 7317 is also pretty idle 10:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7317 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, sarah, ASSIGNED , Add an Interlibrary Loan Module to Circulation and OPAC 10:49 drojf slef: they wouldn't accidentally have added that to this similar named system by that similar named company? 10:50 slef drojf: I simply don't know. The above is from a seminar advert sent to UK librarians. 10:51 slef [off] https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A2=ind1303&L=LIS-LINK&F=&S=&P=47248 10:52 slef wondering if/how to respond 10:52 cait1 slef: interesting. 10:52 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 10:54 drojf interesting indeed 11:03 cait1 @wunder Kontanz 11:03 huginn cait1: Error: No such location could be found. 11:10 slef @wunder Konstanz 11:10 huginn slef: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 0.0°C (12:00 PM CET on March 14, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Rising). 11:10 slef @wunder EGYM 11:10 huginn slef: The current temperature in Flick's, Weeting, United Kingdom is 5.1°C (11:00 AM GMT on March 14, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Rising). 11:10 wizzyrea Flick's Weeting - is that where they shot 'A Bug's Life' 11:11 slef wizzyrea: EGYM should be RAF Marham. Not sure why wunder doesn't like it. 11:11 wizzyrea still, not so bad at 5 - perhaps a bit cold for march. 11:13 slef @wunder EGYD 11:13 huginn slef: The current temperature in Cranwell, United Kingdom is 4.0°C (10:50 AM GMT on March 14, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 11:13 slef wizzyrea: 5 with a windchill of 5 = 0 11:14 wizzyrea boo wind. 11:14 wizzyrea though I'm rather becoming affectionate towards wind. 11:14 slef wizzyrea: lot of it about here. Few hills. 11:17 slef @wunder EGSF 11:17 huginn slef: The current temperature in Yaxley, Peterborough, United Kingdom is 7.8°C (11:14 AM GMT on March 14, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). 11:18 slef @wunder EGCL 11:18 huginn slef: The current temperature in Gedney Hill, Spalding, United Kingdom is 4.3°C (11:01 AM GMT on March 14, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: -0.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 11:18 slef that's the nearest station 11:19 slef I rarely remember the code, though. 11:20 cait1 wizzyrea: why are you awake? :) 11:20 slef @wunder EGBV 11:20 huginn slef: Error: No such location could be found. 11:21 wizzyrea hm 11:21 wizzyrea just because I guess 11:21 slef @wunder EGBT 11:21 huginn slef: The current temperature in Potterspury, Towcester, United Kingdom is 4.8°C (11:13 AM GMT on March 14, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Falling). 11:21 slef That's some way from EGBT, but bizarrely exactly where I was looking for. 11:25 * magnuse would be interested to know more about the ill capabilities 11:27 cait1 wizzyrea: go to sleep! ;) 11:27 cait1 bbl all 11:28 magnuse slef: there is branch in their repo: https://github.com/PTFS-Europe/koha/tree/3.8.ptfs_ILL 11:29 wizzyrea it's still crackly it's so new 11:30 slef magnuse: groan. So they've developed it for koha, but not bothered to add it to koha. 11:30 wizzyrea ..yet 11:31 slef wizzyrea: yet. But still advertise that they have. 11:31 magnuse and they have until tomorrow to get it into 3.12... 11:31 wizzyrea kek. 11:32 magnuse and it looks like it is based on 3.8... 11:32 slef magnuse: oooh, maybe I should reply and point that out. 11:32 drojf slef: please do 11:32 wizzyrea it's 2 versions behind at this point - f they only finished it a month ago that kind of explains that. 11:32 slef magnuse: yeah, but one commit talks about fixes for 3.10, so it might not be as straightforward as that. 11:33 magnuse ah 11:33 wizzyrea it looks like they have code in there from as recently as 3 months ago 11:33 magnuse i just looked at the name of the branch 11:33 magnuse yeah 3.8.8 11:35 wizzyrea db updates stop at 3.8.7 11:36 wizzyrea oh wait never mind there's the 3.8.8 11:36 wizzyrea further down than I was lookin :) 11:37 magnuse and there is lots of stuff that is just new, so getting it up-to-date with master might not be that hard 11:38 drojf so, get started. that's gonne be a long day :P 11:40 * magnuse has other fish to fry 11:40 drojf fishpizza fryday? :) 11:43 slef drojf: kebabs 11:43 magnuse drojf: nooo, don't mess with the pizza! 11:44 drojf there was a fish kebab near my old flat. it smelled horrible, i never tried it 11:44 drojf fish kebab place, not one kebab :) 11:45 magnuse lol! 11:50 slef wahanui: kebabs? 11:50 wahanui are so awesomely delicious they will make grown men weep. 11:50 slef furry 11:54 drojf lol 12:01 tcohen morning #koha 12:03 wizzyrea running from git in production? 12:03 wizzyrea hm. 12:04 wizzyrea http://myjetpack.tumblr.com/post/43399808071/a-book-of-my-cartoons-will-be-out-in-late-april 12:04 wizzyrea http://i1.wp.com/laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/tumblr_mif7n8N6XI1rwkrdbo1_500.jpg?resize=500%2C317 12:04 wizzyrea sorry the 2nd 12:11 * magnuse used to run from git in production 12:13 * Dyrcona runs from git in production. 12:13 Dyrcona But that's a different software. 12:14 drojf what i picture when i read this is: »OMG, it's git in production, let's run!« 12:15 jcamins wizzyrea: isn't it a bit late for you? 12:15 tcohen maybe its the 3.10.x branch from git 12:15 wizzyrea mmm yep 12:16 jcamins And I thought I saw a PR from ByWater about PTFS Europe's ILL code at some point. 12:16 wizzyrea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGUhEPdLmus&feature=player_embedded 12:18 jcamins Myshkin just came running over and jumped on my lap when I turned on that video. 12:19 wizzyrea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tcx6YyXvvRI&feature=player_embedded 12:20 oleonard wizzyrea, what are you doing up? 12:20 wizzyrea causing trouble, wreaking havoc 12:20 wizzyrea also, good morning 12:20 oleonard Hi :) 12:21 jcamins Myshkin just acted out the penguin falling off a cliff. 12:22 wizzyrea hahaha 12:32 * cait waves 12:35 * oleonard waves back to cait and cait1 12:35 cait1 ... running out of battery soon too :( 12:38 jcamins cait++ # for finding longstanding bugs in the authority linker 12:42 cait1 jcamins: oups 12:42 cait1 found a power outlet 12:42 cait1 :) 12:43 cait1 jcamins: do you have a patch ready for my latest complaints? :) 12:43 cait1 because I am about to start testing on a new bug right now :) 12:43 jcamins I do. 12:43 cait1 oh yay 12:43 jcamins Writing a commit message now. 12:44 jcamins Actually, you found longstanding bugs in SimpleSearch *and* in the authority linker. 12:44 cait1 cool 12:44 jcamins Also one new bug. 12:44 cait1 ah 12:44 cait1 that was the linker thing I noticed? 12:44 cait1 I thought it was my weird data again :) 12:44 jcamins The linker thing was longstanding. 12:44 jcamins It is. 12:44 cait1 *sigh* 12:44 jcamins However, there is a situation where weird data can crash the linker. 12:45 magnuse cait++ 12:45 cait1 guess the data is good for something then... good for testing 12:46 cait1 not sure i really deserve that karma 12:46 cait1 Joubu: still around? 12:46 jcamins Myshkin has learned that if he starts gagging like he's going to vomit he gets attention. 12:46 cait1 jcamins: and you hurry up - we are on our way into the black forrest with bad internet connectiona nd lots of tunnels ;) 12:46 jcamins This is not a trick I approve of. 12:47 cait1 lol 12:48 jcamins Attached. 12:51 cait1 that was fast :) 12:51 cait1 waiting for my database right now.... loading dump after testing the renewal patch 12:51 * cait1 gives myshkin some attention 12:51 tcohen we could add to the crowdfund the task of extending coverage of unit tests 12:52 jcamins tcohen: that would be excellent. 12:53 magnuse i think we need a wiki page for brainstorming... 12:54 oleonard All the crowdfunding dollars are going now to funding a Google Reader replacement :P 12:54 cait1 lol 12:54 jcamins oleonard: hehe. 12:54 cait1 in koha? ;) 12:54 magnuse heh 12:54 magnuse yeah, gotta have a feed reader in koha 12:54 magnuse then an email client 12:55 cait1 jcamins: did you notice we reached the 6th qa follow-up? :P 12:55 oleonard Then a WYSIWYG HTML editor 12:55 jcamins Facebook just told me that I am a failure because I have 259 friends and my wife has 500-something and my brother almost 1000. 12:55 cait1 LOL 12:55 jcamins cait1: it's because I write 1-line QA follow-ups. 12:55 cait1 facebook still thinks I am norwegian 12:55 cait1 becuase one out of my 4 friends is 12:56 magnuse hehe 12:56 jcamins Hehe. 12:56 cait1 the ads are amusing 12:56 cait1 jcamins: so i am supposed to try running the linker again, right? 12:56 Joubu cait1: yep, i'm back 12:56 cait1 for athe authorpop thing - xslt or normal view? 12:57 cait1 because I only get a by line and never ever an additional authors line in current master and I have subjects in 689 12:57 jcamins cait1: yes please. 12:57 jcamins 689? 12:57 cait1 jcamins: will try without first and see if my manually linked one works now 12:58 jcamins cait1: yeah, I'd like to try both. 12:58 cait1 jcamins: germany decided to put subject chain subjects there 12:58 cait1 not going to argue with you about that :) 12:58 cait1 first test looks good 12:59 jcamins Oh, those crazy Germans. 12:59 cait1 i am testing with a saint - it shoud just work, right? :) 12:59 Joubu ssh koha-qa.local 12:59 cait1 benedictus de nursia 12:59 Joubu oops 13:00 cait1 :) 13:00 * cait1 sends Joubu cookies 13:00 Joubu thanks :) 13:00 cait1 jcamins: manually linked authority works nicely 13:01 cait1 checking the linker now 13:01 jcamins Pasword: 13:01 * jcamins waits for Joubu to enter his password. :P 13:01 cait1 ah 13:01 cait1 interesting 13:01 wahanui well, interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 13:01 cait1 it does something now,but it doesn't look so promising 13:01 jcamins Probably not so good. 13:01 Joubu jcamins: simply "toto" :) 13:01 cait1 oAuth error: Unsupported Use attribute (114) Match-heading Bib-1 13:02 jcamins cait1: on every record? 13:02 cait1 weird data? 13:02 cait1 it looks like 13:02 cait1 I don't see anything else 13:02 jcamins I usually get that about a half dozen times when I run the linker, not every time. 13:02 cait1 well for the first 1500 it seems pretty much that 13:02 cait1 werid data? 13:02 jcamins Hrm. I suspect it may be. 13:03 cait1 i am runnign with -v -l now 13:04 jcamins Oh, I just thought a problem with my patch... 13:04 cait1 hm still running 13:04 jcamins You're going to get warnings. 13:04 cait1 hm? 13:04 cait1 you found one you mean? 13:04 jcamins About trying to compare undefined variables. 13:04 jcamins *thought of 13:05 cait1 so I can stop the complaining script for now? :) 13:05 jcamins Yes. 13:06 cait1 ok 13:06 * cait1 waits 13:06 * jcamins messes around with his data so it will look like cait's. 13:06 cait1 :P 13:06 cait1 you got my data 13:06 jcamins Yes. 13:06 cait1 you could just use that for your testing :) 13:07 jcamins I just remembered that. 13:07 cait1 heh 13:07 jcamins Ah-ha... 13:07 cait1 uhoh 13:07 cait1 if you want you can give me a new patch without the linker patch 13:07 cait1 part 13:08 cait1 because i am about to pass qa on the query parser 13:08 jcamins You bet! 13:09 cait1 but if you fixed the linker in another bug... I woudl be grateful of course :) 13:09 jcamins :) 13:10 jcamins I think I may have a fix... 13:10 cait1 cool 13:10 cait1 I will revert the last patch then? 13:11 jcamins I'll split the last patch, first. 13:12 cait1 hm 13:12 jcamins Wait... yeah, just revert the last patch and I'll squash my new fix together. 13:12 cait1 *confused* :) 13:12 jcamins So, yes. Revert the last patch, and look at something else while I'm confirming my fix against your data. 13:12 jcamins Which is weird. :P 13:13 cait1 ok :) 13:13 cait1 I won't apologize for my data 13:13 cait1 it has lots of useful information. 13:16 cait1 we are in heidelberg now :) 13:16 cait1 @wunder Heidelberg 13:16 cait1 and the snow is gone and we got sun! 13:16 huginn cait1: Error: No such location could be found. 13:16 tcohen http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Crowdfunding 13:16 cait1 huginn: tsk. 13:16 huginn cait1: downloading the Perl source 13:16 cait1 tcohen++ :) 13:20 cait1 @wunder Heidelberg, Germany 13:20 huginn cait1: The current temperature in Heidelberg, Germany is 2.0°C (2:12 PM CET on March 14, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1010 hPa (Rising). 13:20 cait1 getting warmertoo :) 13:29 magnuse tcohen++ - you beat me to it :-) (and i took the liberty of unindenting the list) 13:29 cait1 Joubu: you tested today on master? 13:32 Joubu cait1: 9711 ? 13:32 cait1 yep 13:32 Joubu no, I tested on my old local branch 13:32 Joubu I will rebase it 13:33 cait1 Joubu: never mind :) 13:33 cait1 normal view!! 13:33 wahanui normal view is ok now 13:33 cait1 I am looking at a really ugly detail page now :) 13:34 Joubu cait1: cool :) 13:34 cait1 ... and now it's pretty :) 13:34 cait1 I will switch templates and the pref and if it's ok it's passed q 13:35 cait1 a 13:39 tcohen bgkriegel's patch for bug 9610 *should* make it into 3.12 13:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9610 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, bgkriegel, Signed Off , Spanish translation of MARC21 default bibliographic framework 13:45 oleonard Would the need for a fix for Bug 7518 be eliminated by approval of Bug 9239? 13:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7518 normal, P3, ---, fridolyn.somers, Needs Signoff , searches with quotation marks don't work 13:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Koha should share Evergreen's QueryParser module for parsing queries 13:46 jcamins oleonard: not necessarily. 13:46 jcamins I'd probably push 7518 anyway, even though it's a no-op. 13:48 oleonard no-op? 13:49 datadoctor Good morning! 13:49 jcamins oleonard: it won't do much. 13:50 jcamins However, when QP is disabled, it could be of use to someone. 13:50 tcohen can someone point me to an explanation of the assertion "Plack needs persistence"? 13:51 jcamins tcohen: Plack is a persistent environment. 13:51 jcamins It loads the code ocne. 13:51 jcamins *once 13:51 jcamins That's the entire point. 13:53 * tcohen is trying to process your response 13:54 jcamins Basically Plack compiles all the Perl code when it is started (or when something is first called), and keeps the compiled form in RAM. 13:55 tcohen jcamins, still don't get the relation with persistence 13:56 jcamins That's what persistence is. 13:56 jcamins The code and variables persist. 13:56 jcamins What are you thinking of when you say "persistence"? 13:56 jcamins I suspect probably the problem is that you're thinking of something else when you hear "persistence." 13:58 tcohen I wasthinking of a persistence layer, which could be provided by an ORM 13:58 jcamins That's something else. 13:58 tcohen not "dealing with the fact that code is loaded just once and as variables persist in time we need to take care of it" 13:58 jcamins Closely related, but when we talk about persistence being required for Plack, we're talking about variables and code. 13:59 cait hmpf 13:59 tcohen thanks jcamins for the clarificatio, i'm going to think of some example scenarios to get the whole idea 14:00 cait jcamins: any news? 14:01 jcamins cait: I may have found a bug. 14:01 cait oh ok 14:01 cait finding them is good 14:01 jcamins I'm checking now. 14:02 jcamins I have a suspicion that our Zebra config may be wrong, and have always been wrong. 14:02 cait I would not be totaly surprised 14:02 cait in which area? 14:02 jcamins I think Match-heading may be defined wrong. 14:03 jcamins And since I copied the definition from Match, that means Match is wrong, and since Match is just another name for Heading... 14:03 cait investiage and letme know 14:03 cait I am going to tackle some smaller things until then and as long as internt connection permits 14:04 jcamins Sounds good. :) 14:08 * oleonard petitions chris_n to remove saved/shared Bugzilla searches for 3.2.x and 3.4.x 14:14 tcohen (reverse-i-search)`koha-qa.': ~/git/koha-qa-test/koha-qa.pl -c 1 -v 3 14:14 tcohen oops :-S 14:15 gmcharlt @later tell bag I found this in my comment spam today, and though you might find this amusing: "bag is sheer novelty, so buy it on pure emotion if it speaks to you." 14:15 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. 14:17 Dyrcona gmcharlt: Sounds like something that sloganizer would come up with. 14:18 gmcharlt to my surprise, I'm inordinately fond of seeking out the "treasures" in comment spam feeds 14:30 magnuse gotta have a hobby :-) 14:32 tcohen refactoring happens to be boring 14:32 jcamins tcohen: it does indeed. 14:33 magnuse kia ora Viktor 14:33 * cait likes to tidy up things... but she is a librarian after all 14:33 Viktor kia ora magnuse 14:34 Viktor (Looking up what I just said :) 14:34 magnuse Viktor: still time to get a signoff or two into 3.12, or even a bugfix :-) 14:36 tcohen jcamins, I'll remove oldRecord from ModZebra as is only used for NoZebra 14:36 jcamins tcohen++ 14:36 magnuse Viktor: it's a maori greeting :-) 14:37 Viktor magnuse I would like that, but there's always to much other stuff going on :/ But - the workshop this week gave some good input on ideas that are easy to implement. Like mouseover text that would be helpful. I might be able to make that happen as a start :) 14:37 Viktor magnuse phew :) 14:38 magnuse Viktor: that would be cool! but remember that the deadline for new features in 3.12 is tomorrow, while bugs can be fixed for another month or so :-) 14:39 Viktor magnuse: Will shoot for 3.14 then. Sorry I missed the meeting here yesterday. 14:40 Viktor magnuse: They actually came up with quite a few ideas on how to streamline the workflow in the staff interface. 14:40 oleonard Viktor: Look at the Bootstrap options if you're looking to add tooltips, popovers, etc. 14:41 Viktor oleonard: Will look into that - thanks! But as of now I don't even know what it means :) 14:41 oleonard http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/javascript.html 14:42 oleonard Viktor: Feel free to file enhancement bugs for things you think would be improvements even if you don't have time now to send fixes 14:43 magnuse yeah, that's a really good idea! 14:44 oleonard Joubu: I'm confused about which page gave you an error when you tested Bug 9466 14:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9466 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Use DataTables on saved reports page 14:44 Viktor oleonard magnuse: So that would enable me to make customizations without changing the community code? 14:45 oleonard Viktor: If what you're talking about are improvements they should be made to community code 14:45 Viktor oleonard magnuse: While also making it possible to integrate it into the main code if the community likes what we come up with? 14:45 magnuse the community generally likes good ideas :-) 14:46 magnuse Viktor: "that would enable me" - what do yu mean by "that"? 14:47 Joubu oleonard: directly on reports/guided_reports.pl 14:47 Viktor magnuse : That = using bootstrap to add stuff without having to mod the .pm files 14:47 Joubu oleonard: js/datatables.js (which contains the dt_add_type_uk_dates js function) is loaded on condition 14:48 Joubu oleonard: l.30 should be [% IF (dateformat == 'metric' and saved1) %] 14:49 Joubu else the an undefined function is called 14:49 Viktor magnuse: The easiest fix they want is a mouseover for the tabs of the search-box with the keyboard shortcuts for that tab. If it's already there we were'nt able to trig that mouseover-event. 14:50 Viktor magnuse: Another one is moving the box with a patrons loans, holds etc to the top of the "patron details" page. They need that information all the time and have to scroll to see it. 14:51 Viktor magnuse: simple enough stuff. Just changing how stuff is displayed - but adds a lot of speed to their workflow. 14:51 magnuse nice 14:52 magnuse Viktor: i think with jquery you can fix things without changing code. with bootstrap it would more have to chenge the code 14:52 Viktor magnuse: Aha. 14:54 Viktor Think I'll write RFCs for these things and provide a starting point that people can improve on. I know how to write the code in HTML/CSS, but not what the best way is to make Koha output it :) 14:55 drojf if it is "drastic" layout changes i guess it is nothing that will go into the code because people will say "oh no that thing has always been down there and now it is up there, oh my god why?" 14:55 magnuse Viktor: if it's just changing js and html, it should be just a question of changing the templates 14:55 magnuse Viktor: seen this? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/JQuery_Library 14:55 wahanui I haven't seen 'this', magnuse 14:57 oleonard Got it Joubu, thanks 14:57 Viktor Thanks magnuse - had forgotten about it! 14:58 Viktor drojf You have a point there. 14:58 magnuse drojf, Viktor: the way to get around that is to regulate the new layout with a syspref... 14:59 Viktor drojf - But I still think I'll try to suggest the thing I think more people might benefit from. I'm a little hesitant to do a lot of DOM-modding after a page is loaded. 14:59 drojf magnuse: true, but that might eventually lead to a lot of sysprefs for moving fields around. 15:00 magnuse drojf: sure 15:00 drojf (not trying to talk you out of it, i like layout improvements a lot) 15:00 Viktor magnuse Might side with drojf there. 15:00 drojf just my experience that a lot of people turn mad if something moves a few pixels away :D 15:00 magnuse hehe 15:01 Viktor :-) Recognize that yes... 15:01 Viktor magnuse drojf But how do you feel about adding sysprefs for adding customizations that are specifically for sweden? 15:02 magnuse btw, i completely agree that it seems awkward to have the checkouts at the bottom of the patron details page! :-) 15:02 magnuse Viktor: good question. not possible to make them more general? 15:02 Viktor It is, in't it? Especially since you have a "patron summary card" up at the left anyway. 15:02 jcamins What makes them "specifically for Sweden"? 15:02 drojf Viktor: it is nothing that is inherently swedish 15:02 drojf yes 15:02 drojf that ;) 15:03 magnuse are you thinking about the validating swedish "person numbers" thing? 15:03 drojf THAT would be very swedish 15:03 Viktor jcmins : Stuff like date formats, address formats, cover image vendors, syncing records with our national library, syncing patron addresses with our goverment database. 15:03 drojf a koha account for everyone, together with the person number :D 15:03 Viktor magnuse Oh - and that too! 15:04 magnuse person number = social security number, according to google translate 15:04 Viktor Or could it be done with some sort of "custom settings file" that you could download? 15:05 Viktor magnuse Yep it should translate to that. But it is a bit different from country to country I think. 15:05 drojf Viktor: those are little things in a lot of different places and i think it should just go into main koha, like the other date forms, cover image sources etc 15:05 magnuse when you set up the web installer to work for swedish you can have it load "swedish" syspref settings 15:05 drojf not sure what the government stuff is supposed to do :) 15:06 magnuse yeah, i'd say get it all in there as long as it doesn't trip others up 15:06 Viktor magnuse - Having "settings for sweden" to chose during install would be glorious. 15:06 drojf that would be an installer thing to do after you put all the other stuff in the regular places i think 15:07 Viktor drojf magnuse : I think you guys just sorted this out. We'll get everything in the main code and add a "enable settings for sweden" choice. 15:07 magnuse Viktor: here are the "norwegian settings" that you can choose when you run the web installer for norwegian: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=installer/data/mysql/nb-NO/1-Obligatorisk/system_preferences.sql;h=c60594433a67838a26adb40656c2f07a9db53125;hb=HEAD 15:07 magnuse Viktor: yeah, in general, i think that is the way to go 15:07 drojf i agree. we saved sweden! 15:07 drojf :P 15:08 magnuse yay! 15:08 Viktor :D 15:10 Viktor Going away to blog a bit about our little interaction here :) 15:10 magnuse Viktor++ 15:11 * magnuse shields his eyes from the light coming from the lightbulbs above Viktor's head 15:11 Viktor-away :) :) 15:12 gmcharlt lightbugs++ 15:12 gmcharlt er, NEED MORE COFFEE 15:12 gmcharlt lightbulbs++ 15:12 oleonard lightningbugs++ 15:15 magnuse lightbugs are probably easier to solve than hardbugs 15:16 gmcharlt @quote add <magnuse> lightbugs are probably easier to solve than hardbugs 15:16 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #237 added. 15:17 magnuse yay! 15:20 magnuse if anyone is curious about what sorts of other things Viktor is pondering, i can recommend running this through google translate: http://blogg.regionhalland.se/koha/2013/03/05/var-onskelista-att-gora-att-bygga-och-att-hoppas-pa/ 15:20 magnuse s/pondering/pondering adding to koha/ 15:27 tcohen how relevant is the file installer/data/Pg/kohastructure.sql ? 15:27 jcamins tcohen: not. 15:27 tcohen (is it even maintained?) 15:28 jcamins Nope. 15:28 oleonard Viktor-away: Bug 7843. At least there's a bug for it :) 15:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7843 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Create RSS for OPAC news 15:30 drojf »Koppling till MTM (Gamla TPB)«. i thought that meant the pirate bay :/ 15:30 Viktor drojf We have two TPB - One from the government with loads of audio-books as mp3 (Daisy). And the other one :) 15:31 Viktor Neither one is legal for people in general to download from. 15:31 jcamins Hehe. 15:31 drojf d'oh 15:31 Viktor I'm working on cleaning up the text from google translate. But only got like 25% through before having to do other stuff. 15:32 magnuse other_stuff_to_do-- ;-) 15:32 Viktor But - there is now a blogpost at http://blogg.regionhalland.se/koha/2013/03/14/enable-settings-for-sweden/ about our little chat. Thanks for all the help :) 15:32 jcamins Viktor: do you have any patches in Koha yet? 15:32 jcamins If not, you have two months for fixing a bug. :) 15:33 jcamins (and you can be a committer for 3.12:) 15:34 oleonard And sign-offs, don't forget those! 15:34 Viktor jcamins - No. Well - I've had magnuse do the stuff I can't. Which he does very well :) But I'm hoping to get at least a or something in there one day. A bug might be the thing :) 15:34 jcamins Yes, lots of opportunity for signoffs! 15:34 magnuse yep! 15:35 Viktor Will look into that - but not promising anything until it's done :) 15:35 jcamins You can do it! 15:35 jcamins Yay Viktor1 15:35 jcamins *! 15:37 Viktor I might bug you here about if I'm pushing the right butting if I actually do manage to get over the initial barrier and make a try (there is no try yes I know?) 15:37 Viktor LOL _button_ 15:38 magnuse Viktor: that's why we are here :-) 15:38 Viktor magnuse :) 15:38 magnuse the first thing to do for both signoff and writing patches is to get a dev-install up and running 15:38 tcohen INSTALL.fedora7 jcamins? 15:40 drojf Viktor++ # soon-to-be developer :) 15:40 magnuse Viktor: probably in a vm, unlesss you run debian/ubuntu (i seem to recall you wrote about running koha in a vm in the "is it good enough" report... and with the packages it has become a lot easier) 15:40 smeagol Hi..would anyone know why I'm getting this message on my SIP server? "Use of inherited AUTOLOAD for non-method ILS::Transaction::Checkin::dt_from_string() is deprecated at /home/koha/kohaclone/C4/SIP/ILS/Transaction/Checkin.pm line 57." 15:41 Viktor magnuse Yep - I did run it in VirtualBox. Will have to reinstall on the new computer. 15:41 magnuse Viktor: cool. and it will be easier now than it was then :-) 15:42 Viktor drojf : I could title myself dev if we talk about HTML/CSS/Javascript and some Python/PHP/ASP. But it's been a while. And Koha-dev is still a long way to go. But I do want to learn. 15:43 drojf Viktor: that's all we ask ;) 15:43 drojf kidding, we don't ask anything 15:43 drojf but it would be cool! 15:43 Viktor drojf - Yes it would! Learning Perl would be great even if only to be able to understand more of what's going on. 15:44 Viktor drojf :) 15:44 jcamins tcohen: out of date, I think. 15:44 magnuse Viktor: and you don't have to learn Perl - there is plenty to do with templates, js, sample data, xslt etc etc 15:45 jcamins Lots and lots and lots. 15:45 jcamins However, we're all for people learning Perl. :) 15:45 magnuse yeah, sure! 15:45 magnuse perlpower to the people! 15:45 tcohen are stopwords from the NZ world? 15:45 jcamins tcohen: yes they are. 15:46 Viktor magnuse jcamins: Good news! :) 15:46 * jcamins hums "A new Argentina, the voice of the Perl is heard..." 15:46 Viktor jcamins tcohen : Is it possible to add your own stop word list as a librarian? 15:47 drojf Viktor: you are doing the swedish translation with professional translators, right? 15:47 jcamins Viktor: no, because stopwords do not work at all. 15:47 magnuse yeah, forget stopwords :-) 15:48 Viktor drojf : Correct! We updated opac sv just recently. Are waiting for the funds to translate the staff interface. Should be here any day now, 15:48 drojf Viktor: in the end, will there be the translated files, or will there also be some kind of swedish_librarianese dictionary, glossary or whatever? 15:48 magnuse Viktor: ah, i thought that was already in progress... 15:49 tcohen git rm koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/help/admin/stopwords.tt 15:49 magnuse yeah, any stopwords related stuff is a leftover from NoZebra, i think? 15:49 Viktor magnuse: I have the company standy to start it. The funds that we recently got were for customizations, Pubsubhubbub, communication about the project, evaluation of the project and salaries for the people working with the project. 15:50 magnuse Viktor: ah 15:50 smeagol Hi..would anyone know why I'm getting this message on my SIP server? "Use of inherited AUTOLOAD for non-method ILS::Transaction::Checkin::dt_from_string() is deprecated at /home/koha/kohaclone/C4/SIP/ILS/Transaction/Checkin.pm line 57." It was working the other day.. 15:50 Viktor drojf : Only translated files as we planned it. 15:51 Viktor drojf: But it sounds like a interesting idea. I guess you could pick apart the translation with some script magic and build your own dictionary(?) I don't know how complex it is to parse the .po files though. But it seems like a quite basic file format. 15:51 drojf Viktor: i suppose they will do something like that anyway to stay consistent, maybe you could ask to get it if it is possible (and does not add any cost)? 15:51 tcohen #koha, can you mention words that recall nozebra for you? 15:52 Viktor magnuse: Nozebra. Aha - understand. 15:52 jcamins tcohen: "problem" 15:52 drojf Viktor: yeah i am beginning to think about a machine translation support thing with a librarianese dictionary 15:52 jcamins "nuisance" 15:52 jcamins "annoyance" 15:52 jcamins :P 15:52 tcohen c'mon 15:53 drojf Viktor: and if you would have a company that does one for your translation, i would already have one non-english version to play with ;) 15:53 Viktor drojf: Interesting thought. I've noticed there is a lot a "script leftovers" in the .po files. 15:53 cait hmpf back 15:54 Viktor drojf: Cleaning those up would be great, but "suggested translation" being generated would be even better. 15:54 magnuse was someone (rangi?) talking about pootle talking to google translate the other day, or did i dream it? 15:54 jcamins magnuse: he was. 15:54 Viktor drojf: I'll look into it! 15:54 drojf magnuse: yes. but screw google. there is also apertium support 15:54 Viktor Hi cait 15:54 drojf Viktor: cool :) 15:54 jcamins drojf: apertium? 15:54 slef apertium++ 15:54 drojf foss translation tool. that might suddenly find its way into my thesis 15:55 drojf since i looked at it yesternight :D 15:55 slef I like it but its coverage is sadly patchy. 15:55 drojf slef: DIY 15:55 cait hi Viktor :) 15:55 slef drojf: what part of me looks like a linguist? 15:56 drojf slef: everyone is a linguist :) 15:56 Viktor A highlighting/indexing question - I've noticed when trying boolean operators that using 'or' works well but that Koha highlights the 'or' in the results. 15:56 drojf as a linguist, i should not be saying that 15:56 drojf :D 15:56 jcamins Viktor: "or" doesn't actually work entirely, just as a head's up. 15:56 jcamins And, yeah, it's annoying. 15:56 jcamins bug 9239 starts fixing it. 15:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Koha should share Evergreen's QueryParser module for parsing queries 15:57 jcamins :) 15:57 slef jcamins: PTFS-Europe haven't been in touch with you about their inter-library loans thing, have they? 15:57 cait and we are getting really close now :) 15:57 jcamins slef: no, but I think ByWater had a PR about it? 15:57 Viktor jcamins : I see! We found that it seems like or is interpreted as "stuff I need to truncate search for" sometimes. 15:57 cait jcamins: hm might think about EDIFACT? 15:58 slef EDIFACT... one of two topics that make my heart sink 15:58 slef RFID being the other one 15:58 jcamins RFID? 15:58 wahanui i think RFID is all sep, what makes it hard is when the rfid system does retarded things that mean you need to decode the results 15:58 magnuse sep? 15:59 jcamins RFID shouldn't have much to do with Koha. 15:59 slef I've code for 3.0 or 3.2 for both of those, unpublishably tainted and no money to purge it. 15:59 slef jcamins: it depends if the staff systems need to drive the tagging hardware themselves. 15:59 jcamins Viktor: "or" has unusual precedence, so sometimes all it does is mess up truncation. 15:59 chris_n oleonard: petition granted 16:00 oleonard Thanks :) 16:00 cait jcamins: there is such a think as "full integration"... but it's noa fun thing to do 16:00 slef jcamins: if it's all speaking SIP or similar, no worries. 16:00 cait jcamins: rfid devices at the circ desk and telling them to what to do with the tags 16:00 tcohen how should I handle 1) table deletion 2) sysprefs deletion for the nz removal? 16:01 slef cait: yeah like block/unblock security 16:01 jcamins Eww. That sounds unpleasant. 16:01 cait yep 16:01 magnuse tcohen is planning to remove new zealand?!? 16:01 Viktor jcamins : Will the new parser mean that CCL is replaced as syntax for searches? Yay for fixing broken parsing! 16:01 cait that would be the most needed part I think 16:01 slef the RFID stuff did have a release, actually. 16:01 cait then write the barcode to the tag... etc. 16:01 jcamins Viktor: yes. 16:01 Viktor jcamins: ok. 16:01 cait slef: but the worst is probably dealing with multipart stuff 16:02 jcamins Viktor: though a follow-up will make it possible to change the operators to whatever you want. 16:02 jcamins or/and/not/etc. 16:02 slef cait: oh yeah, staff note is all you could do when we were doing it. 16:02 magnuse cait: plent of duct tape is the best way to deal with that! 16:02 cait heh 16:02 jcamins Or a staple gun. 16:03 magnuse hellz yez! 16:03 cait I can see that course you take is having some effect :) 16:03 jcamins Just attach all the parts to the patron, and next time they come in, they'll still be together. 16:03 Viktor jcamins: Sound good! Will the indexes also be affected - stuff like "ti:queen" ? 16:03 cait lol 16:03 jcamins Viktor: no. 16:03 jcamins Well, sort of. 16:03 jcamins Viktor: that is, all the existing index names will remain the same. 16:03 jcamins But it'll be easy to change them, unlike the way it is now. 16:04 Viktor jcamins: I like it! 16:04 cait it is to like :) 16:04 magnuse search rewrite? 16:04 wahanui search rewrite is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/C_&_P_Search_Rewrite_RFC 16:04 Viktor fait indeed! 16:04 cait feel free to give the bug a test run - I am testing right now, but the more we test the better :) 16:04 Viktor cait indeed 16:04 Viktor Have to run! Thanks for the help! 16:04 cait hm jcamins: we got to 11600 this time 16:04 jcamins cait: and failed? :( 16:04 cait yep 16:05 magnuse have fun Viktor! 16:05 cait some shiny new error - you know you want to fix it! 16:05 cait loking for th erecord now 16:05 jcamins I already fixed that one. 16:05 jcamins I must've squashed it out. 16:05 jcamins Sorry! 16:05 * magnuse has some other fish to fry, in the kitchen 16:05 cait yum 16:05 cait have fun :) 16:05 cait and see ya monday! (love saying that) 16:07 reiveune bye 16:09 * drojf goes for a walk to sort out all these crazy ideas 16:09 cait :) 16:09 cait have fun too! 16:09 drojf :) 16:11 magnuse cait: see ya! :-) 16:13 slef the iceweasel Tools menu entry that let me log out of http auth has gone since I last used it - anyone know where? 16:15 cait not using iceweasel sorry 16:19 slef iceweasel is pretty much firefox without the non-free bits 16:20 slef ah found it, it's moved to the History menu 16:21 slef mjkaye helped me find it :) 16:22 cait :) 16:35 cait hm 16:35 cait so how does git bz attach a range ? 16:35 cait 15 patches.... 16:36 * jcamins heads into the city. 16:36 jcamins cait: I use git bz attach HEAD^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ... git bz attach HEAD 16:36 jcamins That's not the correct way, it's just how I do it. 16:36 jcamins You can do something with tildes. 16:36 cait ah 16:36 cait nah, if it's good enough for the rm 16:37 cait and you wanted to go to the city. 16:37 cait hm into 16:42 cait argh 16:42 cait jcamins: you won't like this 16:42 cait QueryParser.t failed 16:43 cait @later tell jcamins take a look at the testing summary 16:43 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 16:48 ambz greetings to all 16:49 ambz i am planning to write a minor extension to customize koha for my needs... i was wondering if there are any documents or design doc or something like a code overview or walkthrough... 16:49 ambz i couldn't find one so far 16:56 ambz anyone here? 16:56 wahanui anyone here is probably familiarized with the batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl script? 16:56 tcohen hi ambz 16:56 oleonard wahanui: forget anyone here 16:56 wahanui oleonard: I forgot anyone here 16:56 ambz hi tcohen 16:58 ambz wow, the git stats indicate almost 8 million lines of perl code 16:58 ambz 8-) 16:58 ambz i never imagined that the koha codebase would be so huge 17:00 ambz oh sorry, that includes lines of code in non pl files too 17:03 oleonard What are you wanting to customize ambz ? 17:05 ambz well, for cataloging, i want to be able to query oclc xisbn (the free oclc service) and display those results to the user 17:06 ambz Then if a user selects a particular record from the results, I want to convert that into MARC and put that into the catalog 17:06 ambz So I want an ISBN --> MARC import utility 17:08 oleonard I thought you had to pay to get MARC records from OCLC 17:09 ambz Of course, if the ISBN lookup fails, I have to fall back to z39.50 (which isn't likely to work since there aren't any good z39.50 servers in India) and then I fall back to creating a MARC record from scratch... does this sound right? 17:09 ambz Yes, you have to. But they offer an ISBN lookup for free. 17:10 ambz Example: http://xisbn.worldcat.org/webservices/xid/isbn/9780071289597?method=getMetadata&fl=*&format=json 17:11 ambz I have to convert that JSON response to MARC... well as much as possible. 17:13 ambz I don't even need an API key to query the xisbn service :) 17:14 ambz Does this idea seem feasible? 17:15 oleonard No idea :) But if you want to start working on a contribution to Koha, this is required reading: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git 17:15 oleonard Also http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Guidelines_for_Patch_Acceptance/Rejection 17:18 ambz cool 17:19 ambz is there a wiki or docs or anything to orient a new developer to the codebase? 17:21 oleonard Not that I know of, but browse around the wiki 17:24 ambz alright. thanks. 17:31 tcohen hi bgkriegel 17:31 bgkriegel hi 17:31 wahanui hello, bgkriegel 17:31 bgkriegel thanks for the sign 17:31 bgkriegel hi wahanui 17:32 tcohen u r welcome, we are pleased @ koha-es to see your work get into master soon 17:33 bgkriegel with a bit of luck :) 17:41 jcamins ms_access-- 17:41 oleonard Wow, it's been a while since I had to say that, thankfully 17:41 jcamins Lucky you. 17:41 jcamins Right now I'm fixing a report that it spat out. 17:43 jcamins Step 1: globally remove tabs, which were used for all layout. 17:44 jcamins And while I'm at it, ms_word-- 17:45 jcamins I would like to indent the first line of all paragraphs. 17:46 jcamins I figured out how to do it. 17:48 jcamins Is this _really_ the program used by non-computer literate people for word processing? 17:52 drojf jcamins: it is, to make sure they never want to learn any other computer things after that 17:55 jcamins windows-- 17:58 drojf windows-- 17:58 drojf @karma windows 17:58 huginn drojf: Karma for "windows" has been increased 1 time and decreased 26 times for a total karma of -25. 17:59 drojf i bet the increase was for real windows in a building 17:59 drojf is there karma-blame? :) 18:00 cait heh 18:01 cait logs? :) 18:01 cait @karma drojf 18:01 huginn cait: Karma for "drojf" has been increased 74 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of 71. 18:01 drojf w00t 18:01 drojf i think all decreases were done by mtompset ^^ 18:02 tcohen if the world is free and open, why do we need windows and gates? (old joke) 18:03 drojf hehe 18:06 cait why did he decrease you? 18:07 drojf i think i did it with him once as a joke and immediately increased it again but he was not amused 18:08 oleonard Do not mock the power of the -- ! 18:09 magnuse @karma <! 18:09 huginn magnuse: Karma for "<!" has been increased 9 times and decreased 125 times for a total karma of -116. 18:09 drojf hehe 18:09 drojf poor <! 18:09 drojf <!++ 18:09 magnuse :-) 18:09 magnuse 621509 18:10 magnuse oops :-) 18:10 drojf <!++<! # fish to fry 18:10 drojf well, maybe it was fried already 18:12 magnuse it was, and it was nice 18:14 * drojf excitedly watches the jqueryparser race in his bugzilla inbox 18:15 jcamins drojf: hehe. 18:16 jcamins ms_access-- 18:16 jcamins It looks like it exported only a small portion of my data. 18:20 jcamins Confirmed. 18:21 drojf :( 18:21 tcohen can anyone that hates NoZebra enough sign on bug 7440? I'm about to post a follow-up for updatedatabase.pl 18:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7440 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Vestiges of NoZebra should be removed 18:22 drojf that poor nozebra. no place amongst the zebras, no place in koha 18:23 tcohen heh 18:47 tcohen what happens to bugs opened for unmaintained releases like 3.2? 18:47 cait they go wontfix I would think 18:47 rangi tcohen: check if it is still is a bug on master, if not, mark resolved fixed and say 'it works in master' 18:47 cait ^^ 18:48 cait good morning rangi 18:48 tcohen thanks rangi, and good morning! 19:02 jcamins tcohen++ 19:02 tcohen ? 19:02 jcamins tcohen: bug wrangling! 19:02 tcohen oh, that, thanks 19:03 tcohen was looking for nozebra / stopwords related bugs 19:06 jcamins AAAAAARRRRGGGHHH!!!!! 19:06 jcamins ms_access-- 19:09 drojf kill it with fire? 19:10 jcamins drojf: funny you should mention that. 19:10 jcamins We decided a migration is in our near future. 19:10 * jcamins pounds his head on the desk. 19:11 drojf migration to a new desk? 20:03 * cait puts cookies in #koha to stop the quiet 20:04 trea huzzah 20:04 cait hah! 20:06 drojf yay 20:09 Guest1795 hi peeps 20:10 drojf hi Guest1795 20:10 * wizzyrea waves again 20:10 drojf hi thewizzyreaformerlyknownasguest 20:11 cait drojf++ 20:12 drojf for making fun of wizzyrea? i can do that more often if it leads to karma 20:12 wizzyrea hehe 20:27 tcohen bye #koha 20:27 jcamins wizzyrea: you switch e-mails back and forth on a single repo? 20:31 wizzyrea naw, I should set my hope laptop up differently. But I don't see why you couldn't 20:31 jcamins wizzyrea: you could, it'd just be a nuisance. 20:31 wizzyrea to me or to anyone else? 20:32 jcamins You. 20:32 * wizzyrea doesn't much mind a little nuisance. 20:32 jcamins You could have a bash alias that set it up, but that'd be yet another thing to try and remember. 20:42 samuel hi everybody 20:43 cjh samuel: good morning :) 20:43 cait hi samuel and cjh 20:44 cjh cait: good.. evening I guess for you 20:44 cait yep 20:45 samuel good evening for me too :-) 21:16 * cait waves at dpavlin 21:23 eythian hi 21:26 cait hi eythian :) 21:26 eythian @wunder nzwn 21:26 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 19.0°C (10:00 AM NZDT on March 15, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling). 21:27 eythian hmm, well over a month of no rain now. 21:27 wizzyrea sunday. Sunday. 21:27 wizzyrea supposed to rain sunday-tuesday 21:28 eythian which is annoying, as I have to spend most of Sunday standing outside :) 21:28 wizzyrea oops. 21:28 wizzyrea not that it requires much prodding to not do it, but I haven't even been doing laundry. 21:28 eythian http://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/14/travel/friendly-countries/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 <-- you people should visit us. 21:28 eythian heh 21:30 wizzyrea supposed to start in the afternoon though I guess 21:30 wizzyrea clouds are pretty today. 21:31 cait germany and switzerland rank high too - I guess YOU shoudl come visit :) 21:32 eythian cait: already have! 21:32 eythian and we still win :) 21:32 cait again! ? :) 21:32 cait heh 21:34 cait @wunder Konstanz 21:34 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -3.1°C (10:30 PM CET on March 14, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Rising). 21:34 cait @wunder Marseille 21:34 huginn cait: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 4.0°C (10:00 PM CET on March 14, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady). 21:35 eythian that's cold, I don't want to go to cold :) 21:35 trea schema? 21:35 wahanui schema is tracked in git. or found at http://schema.koha-community.org 21:42 * cait passes qa on bug 9239 21:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Koha should share Evergreen's QueryParser module for parsing queries 21:43 cait eythian: it will warm up soon! 21:46 * jcamins does a happy dance. 21:49 cait that's all? :) 21:49 jcamins cait: it's a very dramatic happy dance. 21:50 cait lol ok 21:50 jcamins I was just tap dancing on the ceiling, to the irritation of our upstairs neighbors. 21:50 cait lol 21:50 cait just remember to send that big bribe of fudge we agreed on ;) 21:50 jcamins Hehe. 21:57 wizzyrea logs 21:57 wizzyrea logs? 21:57 wahanui it has been said that logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ 22:00 indranil @wunder kolkata 22:00 huginn indranil: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 25.0°C (3:20 AM IST on March 15, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 23.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Falling). 22:03 eythian http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8429468/Entire-North-Island-drought-declared <-- it is officially too dry here. 22:03 cait Is there a status we coudl use for bugs that are blocked by another? 22:04 jcamins cait: that's a good idea. 22:04 cait looking at 7703 right now, which is the oldest bug in the signed off queue 22:04 cait it depens on a bug that has failed qa 22:07 rangi i can make a BLOCKED status 22:07 jcamins Sounds good to me. 22:08 magnuse +1 22:09 rangi hows that? 22:10 cait +1 from me 22:10 cait let's try that 22:11 cait rangi: did you already do it? 22:11 rangi yep 22:11 cait hm 22:11 cait don#t see it 22:11 cait th patch I am looking at is signed off 22:12 cait 7703 22:12 cait oh uch 22:12 cait it's 9336 sorry 22:12 cait but don't see the statusas an option there 22:12 wizzyrea refresh? 22:13 cait I did 22:14 cait do you see it on bug 9336? 22:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9336 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Don't let un-holdable records prevent holdable records from being held in Intranet for multi-holds 22:14 * magnuse does not see it 22:14 * rangi does 22:14 rangi at the bottom after resolved 22:14 * magnuse sees it now 22:14 rangi try a shift-refresh just to make sure 22:14 magnuse yeah shift-refresh did it for me 22:15 cait now i see it :) 22:15 cait and used it 22:16 magnuse yay! 22:17 rangi yay bug 9239 passed qa 22:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Koha should share Evergreen's QueryParser module for parsing queries 22:18 wizzyrea \o/ 22:18 wizzyrea '`'`'`'`'`'` 22:19 wizzyrea \o/ 22:19 wizzyrea confetti 22:19 magnuse woohoo 22:20 magnuse now comes the tricky bit - will jcamins push it? 22:20 wizzyrea HAHA oy. 22:20 wizzyrea :) 22:20 jcamins Hehe. 22:20 jcamins Chances are good. 22:20 magnuse yay! ;-) 22:20 cjh oh awesome, Koha and Evergreen sharing! 22:21 magnuse yeah, that is cool! 22:21 wizzyrea hence the confetti :) 22:21 jcamins It'll be even cooler when QueryParser is split out into a separate CPAN module. 22:21 magnuse how easy will it be to share future enhencements? 22:21 magnuse ah, yeah, that will make sharing easier! 22:21 jcamins magnuse: once it's split into a separate CPAN module, easy. 22:22 magnuse yay 22:22 magnuse anyone working on that? 22:22 * jcamins did it, but we're trying to get consensus on the Evergreen side about what they want to go into master, and then I'll update the code to that before publishing version 0.1. 22:23 magnuse jcamins++ bigtime! 22:23 wizzyrea oh yea, jcamins++ 22:24 magnuse oh btw jcamins, i meant to ask you: could you run some magic rm script to generate a list of bugs that have been pushed to master during your reign, as a reminder of things we might want to test during the hackfest, and maybe point out any you feel deserve extra attention? 22:24 magnuse that would be super cool 22:24 jcamins Sure. 22:24 magnuse if it's not too much work 22:24 jcamins It's not. 22:24 magnuse yay 22:28 jcamins You could even do it, as practice for when you're RM for 3.16. :) 22:28 jcamins I'll just use the release notes script. 22:29 magnuse lol 22:29 cait rangi 22:29 cait rangi++ 22:29 cait splinter review 22:29 cait is fun 22:30 wizzyrea splinter review sounds like a spy movie 22:30 trea doesn't it 22:30 trea IN A WORLD.... 22:30 wizzyrea *snicker* 22:30 * wizzyrea totally heard the guy in her mind 22:31 magnuse jcamins: which script would that be? 22:31 * jcamins builds an entire release since he cleaned out all the stale release directories a few days ago. 22:32 magnuse wizzyrea: is he actualy sitting next to you too? ;-) 22:32 cait :) 22:32 jcamins magnuse: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=release-tools.git;a=blob;f=get_bugs.pl;h=8d432f2af381ae2373a8bb7df016e66ac0e6a825;hb=HEAD 22:32 cait ok - going to bed :) 22:32 cait magnuse: it's late for you too btw 22:32 cait :) 22:32 cjh heh 22:33 cait bye all and cya tomorrow! 22:33 magnuse jcamins: ah, cool 22:33 wizzyrea yes, actually he is. Across the room, really. But I meant the guy who does the voice overs for movie trailers. 22:34 magnuse wizzyrea: ;-) 22:34 wizzyrea why does the word movie look weird to me. 22:35 magnuse wizzyrea: not sure i want to know ;-) 22:35 wizzyrea my computer just tried to spellcheck me on it!? 22:35 eythian it does that 22:35 eythian I've noticed that before too 22:35 wizzyrea wtf. 22:36 eythian I think that wherever the standard dictionaries are sourced from, they don't include that word 22:36 jcamins Movie? 22:36 eythian yeah 22:36 wizzyrea bizarre 22:36 wizzyrea movie 22:37 * wizzyrea adds it to the dictionary 22:37 wizzyrea there that's better. 22:37 jcamins I haven't built a full release in a while. 22:38 magnuse for me, the spell checker in ff used to not recognize the norwegian word for "some" - totally weird! 22:39 magnuse jcamins: good to get some practice, then? ;-) 22:39 jcamins magnuse: yeah. 22:39 jcamins I think my automatic installer is broken at the moment. 22:43 magnuse :-( 22:48 magnuse g'night/day #koha! 22:50 wizzyrea later magnuse 22:55 eythian wahanui: catalyst migration toolbox is at https://gitorious.org/+catalyst-koha/catalyst-koha-migration-toolbox 22:55 wahanui OK, eythian. 22:57 jcamins Hm. 22:57 jcamins So it looks like it is no longer possible to automate logging into Koha. 22:58 eythian howso? 22:58 jcamins As of 3.10.0+, the submit button does not submit the form. 22:58 jcamins I guess maybe we use javascript to submit the form when the button is clicked? 22:59 wizzyrea or to check for double submits? 23:00 wizzyrea maybe? not like that would matter. 23:00 jcamins Seems like a pretty major accessibility issue. 23:00 jcamins Oh well. 23:02 * jcamins will add a warning to his release script to note that installation cannot be tested on recent versions of Koha. 23:02 rangi opac side too? 23:02 rangi cos if so thats a major bug 23:02 eythian that does sound like a bad thing 23:02 jcamins rangi: I don't know, I haven't tried. 23:03 jcamins I have an empty database that I can't populate because the script won't submit. 23:04 jcamins I would think not, because folks at Catalyst were testing the interface with a screen reader, and if the screen reader correctly interprets the regular login button, it must not be an issue. 23:06 wizzyrea yea I didn't observe julius having trouble with it 23:07 jcamins Yeah, based on how completely the submit button fails to do anything I am thinking it would be a problem for screen readers. 23:07 jcamins Actually... 23:07 jcamins I don't think the button is even showing up! 23:08 eythian jcamins: we all are the folks at catalyst :) 23:08 cjh IIRC when Julius was using forms he would always step through the elements, eventually on to the button, and then press the enter key (rather than pressing from within the input elements) 23:08 jcamins cjh: but that means he was able to locate the button. 23:09 cjh yes, and login. 23:09 cjh he tabs through the elements of the form. 23:09 cjh I have some notes from the session about problems encountered, I can double check that there wasn't anything about the login form. 23:10 jcamins So assuming my understanding of what this script does is correct, the problem is probably specific to the installer. 23:10 rangi ahh 23:10 rangi we wouldnt have tested that with the screen reader 23:11 jcamins Of course not. 23:14 jcamins Oh well. 23:14 jcamins I tried to troubleshoot it. 23:17 jcamins Okay, updated release-tool.pl so it won't break the release process. 23:17 jcamins (where "it" = the fact that the webinstaller doesn't work) 23:18 jcamins So the current script in the release-tools repo exactly matches what I use.