Time  Nick         Message
23:56 dcook        :D
23:52 bag          oh we enjoyed it - we'll watch more
23:50 dcook        Good, bad, somewhere in between?
23:49 bag          Sonja and I watched the first episode last night
23:48 dcook        Watch the IT crowd, yet?
23:47 dcook        hey bag! thanks :)
23:47 bag          hey welcome back dcook
23:36 rangi        with a piece of js that called the logout after some inactivity
23:34 rangi        you could trick it
23:33 rangi        so both those users will timeout the same time due to inactivity
23:33 trea         i personally don't think it's wise to leave sessions open in perpetuity, but 123 and all that
23:33 rangi        there is only one session timeout variable
23:33 rangi        short answer no
23:32 trea         question about sco-main.pl in 3.8.5 - is it possible to get it to timeout a patron session, without timing out the staff session that enables it? we're getting feedback saying that the staff session also times out, which is a problem for some of our libraries.
23:14 eythian      yeah
23:13 rangi        so is handy to run
23:13 rangi        it checks for things that make templates untranslatable and stuff too
23:13 rangi        making it run on package build wouldnt hurt at all
23:13 eythian      ah right
23:13 rangi        ooh good idea
23:13 rangi        but jenkins runs xt and my release scripts do too
23:13 eythian      hmm. Should probably make it run on a package build then perhaps.
23:13 rangi        t/ even
23:13 rangi        make test just runs t.
23:12 rangi        nope
23:12 eythian      does it run on a standard make?
23:12 rangi        like checking validity of xml man files, or checking copyright headers etc
23:12 eythian      ah right
23:12 gmcharlt     xt = author tests
23:12 rangi        xt is for prerelease type tests
23:12 rangi        t is for unit tests like functionality stuffs
23:11 eythian      is it just "code" vs. "extra things"?
23:11 eythian      what's the difference between t/ and xt/?
23:10 rangi        whack it in xt
23:08 gmcharlt     indeed
23:07 eythian      though it does make me think I should write a test case that ensures that all the man page XML files pass validation.
23:07 gmcharlt     step -1: learn to read ... ;)
23:07 wizzyrea     lol.
23:07 gmcharlt     step -2: attend elementary school
23:07 eythian      more people knowing about packaging would not hold anything up :)
23:06 gmcharlt     wizzyrea: I found it lacking...
23:06 eythian      ah cool, no problem
23:06 gmcharlt     eythian: it's part of my teaching myself more about Debian packaging, but that certainly need not hold up packaging patches
23:06 wizzyrea     did you like my thorough but altogether not particularly necessary test plan? >.>
23:05 eythian      ah right, cool
23:05 eythian      (otherwise we risk getting important but simple packaging patches stuck as fewer people know how to test them)
23:05 gmcharlt     eythian: fair enough, I think it was still showing as needs sign-off when I grab it
23:05 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9784 minor, P5 - low, ---, liz, Signed Off , koha-shell missing from koha-common man page
23:05 eythian      gmcharlt: I was using my executive authority for package related things to put bug 9784 straight into passed qa :)
22:51 rangi        figured we could try it out
22:46 gmcharlt     eythian: good, I'm hope that folks will volunteer
22:46 cait         later!
22:46 cait         lol :)
22:45 eythian      later caiter
22:44 cait         bye all :)
22:44 cait         last day of conf tomorrow
22:44 * cait       goes to bed
22:41 gmcharlt     rangi++ # splinter review
22:34 eythian      gmcharlt: I like your linux-kernel model of module owners.
22:26 * bag        loves it
22:26 bag          :D
22:21 gmcharlt     eythian++
22:13 wizzyrea     mua hahahahahaha
22:13 huginn       wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #236 added.
22:13 wizzyrea     @quote add eythian: "Broadening Koha's appeal and making it ready for a post-MARC world." <-- "post-MARC world" sounds like "post apocalyptic world", except it's MARC, so it's more like "post-post-apocalyptic world"
22:12 huginn       wizzyrea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
22:12 wizzyrea     @quote add eythian: "Broadening Koha's appeal and making it ready for a post-MARC world." <-- "post-MARC world" sounds like "post apocalyptic world", except it's MARC, so it's more like "post-post-apocalyptic world"
22:12 eythian      "Broadening Koha's appeal and making it ready for a post-MARC world." <-- "post-MARC world" sounds like "post apocalyptic world", except it's MARC, so it's more like "post-post-apocalyptic world"
22:09 magnuse      o/
22:09 eythian      bye magnuse
22:09 rangi        cya magnuse
22:07 magnuse      have fun, #koha!
22:07 * magnuse    needs some sleep
22:07 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9784 minor, P5 - low, ---, liz, ASSIGNED , koha-shell missing from koha-common man page
22:07 magnuse      wizzyrea++ for working on bug 9784
22:02 * magnuse    will be home alone with the kiddo and will probably miss most too
22:02 tcohen       I'll be migrating the last ISIS-based library we have, will try to be there
22:02 cait         i got meetings so may miss it
22:01 magnuse      yay
22:01 gmcharlt     magnuse++
22:01 magnuse      basic arithmetic - who needs it? ;-)
22:00 magnuse      http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?p0=1440&iso=20130313T18&msg=Koha%20IRC%20General%20Meeting :-)
22:00 * gmcharlt   apparently can't do basic arithmetic today
22:00 gmcharlt     no, make tha t20
21:59 gmcharlt     magnuse: 19 hours and four minutes
21:59 magnuse      http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_13_March_2013
21:59 magnuse      meeting in ~20 hours, right?
21:58 tcohen       thanks bag
21:58 tcohen       gmcharlt++
21:58 bag          tcohen: 9735 looks easy enough - will test soon :)
21:58 cait         gmcharlt++
21:58 * cait       waves to gmcharlt
21:58 gmcharlt     bag: ah, now I see where you said so in the bug
21:57 bag          besides that gmcharlt no
21:57 bag          and I've tested with baker and taylor here - and they said it would be passable…
21:56 * jcamins    heads out.
21:56 wizzyrea     bug 9659 is signed off :)
21:56 bag          gmcharlt: there are some in England that has worked for (ptfs europe)
21:56 bag          I will start looking tcohen
21:55 gmcharlt     bag: do you know of any materials vendors that have done EDI interchange using that patch series?
21:55 tcohen       :-P
21:55 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9659 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Undefined authorised value category yields empty dropdown menu on SQL reports
21:55 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9735 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Choose language using URL parameters in any page
21:55 tcohen       bag, I can only offer testing and signing if you do the same with bug 9735 and/or bug 9659
21:54 bag          yeah gmcharlt++  I'm enjoying what I've been reading so far
21:53 bag          I think it would take a little bit of time - not a quick or easy one
21:53 magnuse      ah gmcharlt++
21:53 tcohen       heh, you're right
21:53 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7736 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mark.gavillet, Needs Signoff , Edifact QUOTE and ORDER functionality
21:53 bag          anybody up for testing and signing off (well if passes) bug 7736 ?
21:53 wizzyrea     :)
21:53 wizzyrea     then you haven't probably had the pleasure of seeing the movie Rango.
21:53 tcohen       (yet)
21:52 tcohen       i don't
21:52 * wizzyrea   wonders if tcohen has kids
21:52 tcohen       rangi
21:52 tcohen       hi rango
21:52 rangi        hi tcohen
21:51 bag          yeah I've been up the Eliffel tower before
21:51 bag          I think we are going to hit up Versailles and maybe the louve if the lines aren't crazy long
21:51 jcamins      I visited the Eiffel Tower.
21:50 rangi        and a beautiful library
21:50 cait         I have never been there but it might be a bit much for one day :)
21:50 cait         eiffel tower? :)
21:50 rangi        the site of the first kohacon ever
21:50 bag          I want to check everything out!
21:50 rangi        in paris
21:50 jcamins      And an absolutely lovely one in Lille.
21:50 rangi        you guys should totally try to go see ecole de mines
21:50 bag          I've never been on a super fast train - I don't think I will sleep
21:50 jcamins      I went to a very interesting seder in Paris.
21:50 cait         sleep is totally overrated
21:50 cait         you can sleep on the train! :)
21:50 bag          yup just kyle and I from here :)
21:50 rangi        creme brulee
21:49 cait         I think maybe dpavlin too
21:49 bag          so we maybe a bit tired and just do dinner and crash :)
21:49 bag          sweet - so Kyle and I arrive in paris the day before - and we are going to try and pack in some touristing
21:49 cait         so you and kyle now?
21:48 cait         so I will probably be at the hotel I think at the time you arrive
21:48 cait         my train arrives about 2 hours earlier
21:48 bag          awesome…
21:48 cait         :)
21:48 cait         or check #koha
21:48 bag          hmm.. cait I believe so
21:47 cait         i think you have - I can leave the room number there, so you can just knock when you arrive?
21:47 magnuse      bag: yay!
21:47 bag          yes one was about dinner
21:47 cait         bag: do you have access to the google docs?
21:47 cait         so one yes was about dinner? :)
21:46 bag          awesome I will take you up on that magnuse
21:46 bag          that's my thought too…  daytime bugs :)  nighttime digging :)
21:46 magnuse      bag: more than happy to talk semantikoha with you or anyeone else ;-)
21:45 bag          and yes to jcamins
21:45 bag          Yes
21:45 jcamins      Just a reminder that if you want your work to go into 3.12 and not require massive amounts of rebasing, the hackfest is a good time to focus on bugs and almost-ready features.
21:45 cait         ant to have dinner? :)
21:45 cait         oh nice
21:45 bag          oh cait khall and I arrive to Marseille sunday night around 18:30 I believe
21:45 * cait       nods similar here -- well different things, but doing actually only one thing most of the time will be nice :)
21:44 bag          and not have to do hiring or taxes, or HR or other time sucks :P
21:44 cait         and into the bug pile
21:44 cait         bag: yepme too!!
21:44 cait         like every koha release :)
21:44 bag          I'm looking forward to next week - when I've got time to dig into those things :D
21:44 cait         3.14 will be exciting
21:44 cait         :)
21:44 bag          totally agree
21:43 rangi        bag: yeah we should take the stuff magnus has done, the semantikoha work as a good start
21:43 Viktor       Sounds fully ok! Thanks!
21:43 Viktor       Aha - so there might be a feature back up to do it but there is also a functioning workaround.
21:43 * rangi      hopes that was helpful not confusing
21:43 rangi        until rotating collections is fixed
21:43 rangi        thats the way you can do it now maybe put in the branch they should go back to into the note too
21:42 rangi        then batch update them, changing their home branch, (and holding/current) and put a non-public note in, so you can search for them again (transferred 2013-03-13 or somethign)
21:42 bag          oh I like this "Broadening Koha's appeal and making it ready for a post-MARC world. "
21:41 rangi        so do a report to get the items you want to move
21:41 rangi        what you would do is batch update
21:41 rangi        viktor to do it without that feature
21:40 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8836 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Resurrect Rotating Collections
21:40 magnuse      Viktor: see bug 8836
21:40 jcamins      I thought rotating collections was disabled due to security concerns?
21:40 Viktor       Aha! Did'nt know what to search for! Thanks!
21:40 bag          I may have missed the announcement earlier :P  but late is better than never :D
21:40 rangi        yep thats it
21:40 magnuse      ah, that would be rotating collections, i think?
21:40 bag          there you go dcook http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Proposal_for_RM_3_14_gmcharlt
21:40 Viktor       During which the books "live" at the new branch.
21:39 Viktor       Where in the manual do I look for how to transfer books for something like six months to another branch?
21:38 magnuse      ;-)
21:38 wahanui      Don't ask to ask, just ask.
21:38 magnuse      ask?
21:38 Viktor       Can I ask a quick one one another topic?
21:38 magnuse      they have connections to indexdata, but i'm not sure how
21:37 Viktor       So: it seems like the average proprietary product. But they do mention open source on their site. But show no sign of licensing their own product with an open license.
21:37 eythian      very sparse and not showing much
21:37 eythian      the opac looks like a mobile site when viewed on a desktop browser
21:36 magnuse      [off] one of them was at my "get to know koha" thing, but they seemed to be happy where they were
21:35 magnuse      i think there are ~2 libraries in norway using reindex
21:35 jcamins      One I know.
21:35 wizzyrea     pretty too
21:34 jcamins      wizzyrea: ooh, that'd be nice!
21:34 Viktor       But it does'nt say XML is open source. It says that their product uses standard parts :)
21:34 eythian      I think so, yeah
21:34 * wizzyrea   waits for farsi
21:34 wizzyrea     hahaha so - it's random language ^.^
21:34 eythian      also, hello
21:34 eythian      lang=nor gives me english, the others are danish
21:34 * wizzyrea   sees english with lang=dan
21:33 wizzyrea     hehe well something has gone funny then :)
21:33 jcamins      Ooh, there we go!
21:33 Viktor       It's danish alright
21:33 jcamins      lang=dan gives Danish for me.
21:33 wizzyrea     lang=eng gives danish
21:33 Dyrcona      Chromium must be messing with me...
21:33 wizzyrea     lang=dan gives english
21:33 wahanui      it has been said that which is in Danish...
21:33 jcamins      which?
21:33 wizzyrea     oh no, their links are confused
21:33 magnuse      that is an ils, yes and it's not free software
21:33 wahanui      okay, jcamins.
21:33 jcamins      Which is also in Danish...
21:32 Dyrcona      Time to go....
21:32 jcamins      Though they have an English option.
21:32 jcamins      That looks very Danish to me.
21:32 wizzyrea     chrome autotranslates
21:32 wahanui      rumour has it chrome is not free software
21:32 wizzyrea     chrome?
21:32 Dyrcona      Call me crazy, but this: http://www.reindex.dk/index.php?Lang=dan gives me the page in English!
21:32 rangi        heh
21:31 magnuse      in da house!
21:31 rangi        oh magnuse is here :)
21:31 * magnuse    waves
21:29 jcamins      Hard to say, as I don't know Danish.
21:29 rangi        heard of this before?
21:29 jcamins      I think it might be saying that XML is open source.
21:29 rangi        http://www.reindex.dk/
21:29 Viktor       Might read ok rangi I'm not so good with spoken danish though
21:28 rangi        does Viktor read danish? :-)
21:28 Viktor       Hi cait !
21:28 jcamins      I know, weird, right?
21:27 cait         hi Viktor :)
21:27 cait         a closed source list with an open price list?
21:26 wizzyrea     ew, it is
21:26 jcamins      Wow. That's really ugly.
21:25 jcamins      A closed source ILS.
21:25 wizzyrea     yay cait!
21:25 cait         what are you looking at?
21:25 jcamins      Bwahahaha!!!!!!!!
21:25 * cait       hands out lots of cookies
21:25 * jcamins    starts charging for Koha at that rate.
21:25 rangi        yay!
21:25 * cait       survived her presentation - no more slides!
21:24 cait         :)
21:24 * Dyrcona    bows.
21:24 rangi        hiya cait
21:24 rambutan     hi cait!
21:24 rangi        *nod*
21:24 Dyrcona      The whole thing looks vague to me.
21:24 wizzyrea     yikes per employee!
21:24 cait         hi #koha, hi jcamins, rangi, Dyrcona and rambutan :)
21:24 wizzyrea     operational performance is $ 10,000 plus $ 5,000 per. employed in the library.
21:24 rambutan     the two main paragraphs are kinda vague, however. "...modern, flexible system that effectively supports information workers exposure of information and services in an organization."
21:24 jcamins      Under system it does say "open source."
21:24 rangi        maybe just the catalogue part ...
21:23 Dyrcona      rangi: Looks like they are affiliated with Index Data somehow.
21:23 * Dyrcona    was going to suggest google translate.
21:23 rambutan     the google translation looks pretty good
21:22 rangi        it looks like some kinda ILS .. but i dont think its free software?
21:22 wizzyrea     still don't speak that but i do know someone who does :P
21:22 wizzyrea     oo there's a norwegian language option
21:22 jcamins      rangi: it says "Biblioteker hos Reindex."
21:20 rangi        http://www.reindex.dk/
21:20 rangi        anyone know danish?
21:11 rambutan     hi wizzyrea
21:09 wizzyrea     hi :)
21:08 rambutan     hi rangi
21:04 bag          yo rangi
21:04 rangi        hi bag and rambutan
21:03 bag          heya rambutan
21:00 rambutan     afternoon
20:58 bag          afternoon peeps
20:19 oleonard     Later #koha
19:30 jcamins      Hehe.
19:29 gmcharlt     ;)
19:29 gmcharlt     oops!
19:29 gmcharlt     /nick notrangiandnotjcamins
19:25 * rangi      takes the kids to school
19:24 jcamins      Ditto.
19:22 rangi        I'll vote for anyone who isn't me :)
19:20 oleonard     Assuming he can get the votes ;)
19:19 rangi        Yay a release manager
19:08 maximep      =)
19:08 maximep      it even looks like a month
19:08 jcamins      Sounds like a month.
19:07 maximep      anyway, ill look at the code soon
19:07 maximep      somehow it put "11/04/2013 23:59" as my due date
19:06 maximep      I just truncated the issuingrules table and still was able
19:06 maximep      huh
19:06 jcamins      It's supposed to circ for 21 days, but that doesn't work.
19:05 jcamins      If you do not have a default circ rule, Koha won't circ.
19:05 jcamins      maximep: it isn't.
19:05 maximep      if you don't have defined any circulation rules and you don't enter a due date, how is the due date calculated ?
18:40 drojf        it looks really nice
18:40 jcamins      Much milder.
18:40 jcamins      Milder.
18:40 drojf        what does it taste like? regular radish?
18:40 jcamins      I stuck a bit of watermelon radish in a gratin once, though.
18:39 jcamins      oleonard: usually I just make them into salads.
18:39 oleonard     Have you cooked with a watermelon radish before jcamins?
18:38 magnuse      drojf++ bigtime
18:38 drojf        it sounds great when i think it in english :D
18:38 jcamins      Thanks.
18:38 drojf        jcamins: yes
18:38 drojf        magnuse: oh, you are right! will do
18:38 jcamins      drojf: is Wuppertal a place?
18:37 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9256 critical, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Search is broken for 3.10 package-installs when marcflavour != marc21
18:37 magnuse      drojf: i think you maybe forgot to change the status on Bug 9256?
18:37 drojf        how can you eat stuff that not even wikipedia knows? :P
18:37 jcamins      It's a massive radish that is green on the outside and red on the inside like a watermelon.
18:37 drojf        i just wanted to ask what that is
18:36 jcamins      datadoctor: you've had them?
18:36 datadoctor   Watermelon radishes...yum!
18:36 jcamins      And we still have beets and rutabaga left from last time.
18:35 jcamins      That's rather a lot of veggies.
18:33 jcamins      And two pieces of Belgian endive and 0.4lbs of collards.
18:33 oleonard     There's gonna be stew all up in that place
18:33 jcamins      And 3.5lbs beets.
18:33 jcamins      And 3.5lbs watermelon radishes.
18:33 jcamins      And 3.25lbs of rutabaga.
18:33 jcamins      And 8lbs of potatoes.
18:33 jcamins      We're getting 8lbs of carrots.
18:32 jcamins      Jeez.
18:31 drojf        lol
18:31 jcamins      oleonard: nope. Photo.
18:30 * oleonard   hopes it's a charming vintage illustration at least, rather than a photo
18:28 * jcamins    is cataloging a book called "L'année du vin" which has a picture of a man spitting out a glass of wine on the front cover.
18:26 drojf        gmcharlt++
17:33 chris_n      gmcharlt++
17:26 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @gmcharlt: "I'm proposing to make the plunge again - http://t.co/kEtzier4ka #kohails"
17:23 * jcamins    goes to eat some lunch.
17:20 * jcamins    calls the security company to cancel the cancellation.
17:20 gmcharlt     oleonard: hey, don't call off the bounty hunters just yet... I need module maintainers!
17:19 jcamins      Guess I can reduce the 24/7 anti-kidnapping guards.
17:19 * jcamins    has been fortifying his apartment against that possibility.
17:18 oleonard     rambutan: Which means we don't have to forcibly detain jcamins and require that he serve another term
17:18 jcamins      rambutan: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Proposal_for_RM_3_14_gmcharlt
17:18 rambutan     so what's up with the cheering and bounty hunters?
17:17 * oleonard   calls the bounty hunters away from jcamins' door
17:16 jcamins      gmcharlt++
17:16 jcamins      Woohoo!
17:15 oleonard     gmcharlt++
17:08 maximep      ok thanks
17:08 oleonard     maximep: Check "obsolete"
17:07 oleonard     maximep: Then click "edit details"
17:07 jcamins      Just mark as obsolete.
17:07 oleonard     maximep: Click the "details" link next to the patch
17:07 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9549 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pelletiermaxime, ASSIGNED , Local Cover are not displayed in the Shelf Browser.
17:07 maximep      sent the wrong patch for bug 9549
17:06 maximep      is there any way to delete or mark as invalid an attachment in bz ?
16:53 * drojf      heads home
16:28 reiveune1    bye
16:25 jcamins      drojf: "if you moved all the files away from where they were installed, put them back"?
16:24 drojf        what is that supposed to mean?
16:24 drojf        If your KOHA setup is not where your koha source code is, you must copy
16:21 jcamins      Because there's the link to the home page at the top left, so the user can always get back to there.
16:20 jcamins      rambutan: what might make sense is to add a link on opac-main on the right side bar.
16:17 rambutan     however, I'm willing to throw in the towel. It's a minor point probably not worth any further CPU cycles
16:16 rambutan     if you login, in the upper right you always see your name, and always "your account", "cart" and "wish list"
16:15 rambutan     Another, maybe better example, is amazon...
16:13 rambutan     The govconnection logo in the upper left is always there, and will always take you to the home page
16:13 rambutan     what I do think is more similar is a site like http://govconnection.com
16:12 rambutan     jcamins: for larger screens the upper right is in the proverbial "back 40". I've been looking at yahoo and google, and don't think those web sites are similar enough to be comparable to the koha opac.
16:05 jcamins      ?
16:05 jcamins      rambutan: so would I be correct in thinking that you do not like the use of the little person silhouette up in the right corner as the user menu/profile link: http://screencast.com/t/1cJKFSlM
16:02 jcamins      Wow. The USPS's "mobile" website is shockingly bad.
16:02 drojf        the out of the box installation works, that is much more than we have now
16:02 magnuse      drojf: works for me ;-)
16:01 drojf        magnuse: ok then i sign off like it is and mention that somewhere as a possible follow up?
16:01 magnuse      drojf: no, i just tried it with the package setup that comes "out of the box", i did not change indexing modes
16:00 jcamins      Their website is not very responsive.
16:00 jcamins      USPS does it too.
15:59 oleonard     What would be nice is a link somewhere on opac-detail.pl that says "checked out to you"
15:59 rambutan     hummm, OK
15:58 oleonard     Linking the logged-in user's name to account information is widespread practice
15:58 rambutan     I propose a button, centrally located, that says "return to home account page"
15:58 jcamins      That's the way Google/Yahoo/etc. do it.
15:58 jcamins      rambutan: that's the standard behavior for websites these days, isn't it?
15:57 rambutan     jcamins: ah, yes indeed. that does it. Not terribly intuitive methinks
15:57 jcamins      Or name name, if it's the name name and not the user name.
15:57 jcamins      rambutan: click on your user name in the top right.
15:57 rambutan     is this standard behavior across all the typical koha opac implementations/customizaatins?
15:57 oleonard     rambutan: Isn't that what the back button is for?
15:56 rambutan     it takes me to that particular item. However, there doesn't appear a way, other than using the back arrow on the browser, to return to my home/login page (http://.../opac-user.pl), where I have all the "my" stuff (my summary, my fines, my et al).
15:55 drojf        magnuse: have you tried 9256 with dom (and did it work)? for me it seems not to. but then i am not 100% sure that dom is working now
15:54 rambutan     If I log into my library's base opac page (which for us is "http://opac.rhcl.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-user.pl", and I have items checked out, and I select one of those...
15:37 drojf        i doubt anyone ever used that wiki page
15:37 drojf        quite a generic message :D
15:37 drojf        zebraidx(2643) [warn] extract error: generic
15:22 jcamins      (or is equivalent to -v, anyway)
15:21 jcamins      -v -v does nothing, as I recall.
15:21 rambutan     well, it should be simply a matter of increasing verbosity. I just didn't know if zebra actually, typically, produced additional worthwhile info
15:19 jcamins      Yes, -v -v -v provides debug information whereas -v does not.
15:18 rambutan     well, I'm using thunderbird chat now vs xchat, and some of the minor details pinch me occasionallly
15:17 oleonard     Crazy night last night rambutan?
15:17 rambutan     how did I get to be celery?
15:16 celery1      does zebra typically produce increasing verbosity. i.e., will -vvv produce more info generally w/ zebra than just -v   ?
15:08 magnuse      (i think)
15:08 magnuse      jcamins: that would be cool!
15:08 magnuse      yeah, that setting would not be a good candidate for koha-sites.conf, but just for a command line option to koha-create
15:07 * jcamins    thinks it would be a good idea to set up one Zebra with multiple databases.
15:06 magnuse      tcohen: yup!
15:06 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9749 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Placeholders in koha-conf.xml generated by the Debian packages
15:06 magnuse      see also bug 9749
15:06 tcohen       yes magnuse, we should have a switch for setting that on instance creation
15:06 jcamins      Right. Using koha-sites.conf you'd end up with the Zebras duking it out for control over the port.
15:05 tcohen       once the instance is created
15:05 magnuse      but couldn't we have different ports for different instances?
15:05 jcamins      Well, you coud by manually editing the file to use different ports.
15:05 magnuse      hope not!
15:05 tcohen       ouch
15:05 jcamins      tcohen: yes.
15:05 tcohen       (using packages?)
15:04 tcohen       magnuse: question about that file, does __ZEBRA_SRU_BIBLIOS_PORT__ mean that we cannot set a SRU server for each instance?
15:03 tcohen       magnuse np!
15:03 * magnuse    shuts up now :-)
15:03 tcohen       :-P
15:03 magnuse      hm, i think i meant that for drojf...
15:02 tcohen       I know magnuse!
15:01 magnuse      tcohen: the clue to how the packages do indexing lies in the file debian/templates/koha-conf-site.xml.in
15:01 drojf        on the other hand, i have used that at least once and don't remember any problems
15:00 tcohen       right, that's just evidence those instructions are not being used
15:00 drojf        jcamins: they also did not mention that a file name was wrong and there was another error that i already fixed before i started ;)
15:00 jcamins      tcohen: no, but one generally expects to hear about instructions not working when they fail to work so spectacularly.
14:59 tcohen       we don't have people qa'ing the wiki
14:56 jcamins      I'm kind of surprised none of the people following the instructions recently mentioned that the instructions referred to lines that didn't exist.
14:55 jcamins      drojf: oh well.
14:55 drojf        that line does not exist anymore. so much for "still valid" :P
14:55 drojf        "After the line <!-- <maximumrecordsize>2000000</maximumrecordsize> -->"
14:54 magnuse      blame it on the zebra...
14:53 magnuse      hehe¨
14:53 drojf        omg. i think my head is going to implode
14:52 magnuse      drojf: as far as i know, the packages use grs1 for bibs and dom for authorities
14:51 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7710 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , multiple holds per title
14:51 maximep      oh, I think it's covered by bug 7710
14:50 oleonard     maximep: It was by design, but based on the not-always-correct assumption that items are all the same (rather than, for instance, volumes)
14:50 maximep      ok thanks
14:49 jcamins      maximep: missing feature.
14:48 maximep      anyone knows why you can't place a hold on more than 1 item fo a biblio ? Is it a missing feature or is there a good reason ?
14:45 drojf        ok i'll try that. thanks
14:44 jcamins      Yes.
14:44 drojf        is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Switching_to_dom_indexing still valid?
14:44 drojf        i could switch to dom then and test ^^
14:43 drojf        or, there is
14:43 drojf        now i am even more confused, but then there is nothing to test :)
14:43 drojf        AH!
14:43 drojf        choose where?
14:43 jcamins      If you're trying to install from packages, the packages don't support DOM yet.
14:42 jcamins      In that case just choose GRS-1 instead of DOM.
14:42 drojf        its a fresh installation, i did not do anything
14:42 jcamins      drojf: just reverse the changes you made to switch to DOM.
14:41 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9256 critical, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Search is broken for 3.10 package-installs when marcflavour != marc21
14:41 drojf        how would i switch from DOM to GRS?  i thought to do that to test bug 9256, but i fail to see how to do it
14:36 jcamins      So... I can revert the revert, and switch that back to passed QA.
14:36 jcamins      Hm.
14:29 jcamins      Possibly I wrote the message on the wrong bug?
14:29 jcamins      Hmmm...
14:28 jcamins      I don't even see any evidence that I tried to push it.
14:28 * drojf      likes the idea of not being the only confused person around
14:28 jcamins      No, I never pushed it.
14:28 jcamins      Let me see.
14:27 oleonard     Did you? Then I'm creating messes all over the place :(
14:26 jcamins      Didn't I revert 9647 because it broke the datatables?
14:26 jcamins      Hmmm.
14:23 oleonard     I've been wrong before though.
14:23 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9647 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI buttons on Z39.50 servers administration page with Bootstrap
14:23 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9446 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Use DataTables on Z39.50 servers administration page
14:22 oleonard     Hi jcamins, I could use your help getting un-confused. I may have been wrong to ask you to revert Bug 9446. I did so because Bug 9647 says "pushed" but now I think it hasn't.
14:22 gmcharlt     form letters on cheap bond paper ;)
14:21 gmcharlt     jcamins: that never ends
14:21 jcamins      How many times do I have to tell people not to send messages directly to me?
14:21 jcamins      oleonard: yep.
14:09 tcohen       right drojf
14:06 drojf        i think i'm confused. when i install recent (or master) packages, it is DOM by default, not GRS-1, right?
13:57 maximep      why would I mind a better patch =)
13:56 oleonard     Thanks maximep I hoped you wouldn't mind
13:55 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9744 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pelletiermaxime, Needs Signoff , Add a column Fund name on the home page of acquisitions
13:55 maximep      oleonard++ for bug 9744
13:54 tcohen       hi maximep
13:54 maximep      good morning #koha
13:46 oleonard     jcamins around?
13:35 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9744 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pelletiermaxime, Needs Signoff , Add a column Fund name on the home page of acquisitions
13:35 oleonard     Anyone who develops an opinion on linking to funds can test my alternate patch to Bug 9744
13:13 * magnuse    does not volunteer yet
13:13 magnuse      sounds like a good idea :-)
13:12 oleonard     We need to expand our pool of people who care about acquisitions ;)
13:12 magnuse      sigh...
13:12 oleonard     I know, and here we are without cait...
13:12 magnuse      oleonard: sounds like something cait would have an opinion on :-)
13:06 edveal       Hi oleonard
13:05 oleonard     Hi edveal
13:05 edveal       morning
13:01 oleonard     We don't have a way to link to a "view" of an individual fund, but does it make sense to link individual funds to a list of all funds for that budget? http://www.screencast.com/t/GocFflZEi
12:49 drojf        hi #koha
12:37 magnuse      hiya tcohen and oleonard
12:21 oleonard     Hi #koha
12:19 tcohen       morning #koha
12:12 magnuse      yay
11:54 BobB         average ++
11:52 magnuse      BobB: we could do the average? :-)
11:51 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -6.0°C (12:20 PM CET on March 12, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: -13.0°C. Windchill: -12.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
11:51 magnuse      @wunder boo
11:51 magnuse      too hot?
11:38 BobB         ...at 10.30 at night.  Ugghhhh!
11:38 huginn       BobB: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 23.0°C (10:00 PM EST on March 12, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
11:38 BobB         @wunder Sydney New South Wales
11:37 BobB         hmm, I know where it is  :)
11:37 huginn       BobB: Error: No such location could be found.
11:37 BobB         @wunder Sydney, NSW, Australia
11:35 BobB         @wunder Sydney NSW
10:26 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9256 critical, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Search is broken for 3.10 package-installs when marcflavour != marc21
10:26 magnuse      rangi: if you ever get a spare moment, bug 9256 could do with a look now ;-)
10:26 magnuse      rangi++ for being helpful
10:12 miel         ok and thank you
10:10 * rangi      has to go to sleep now, its 11pm here in nz
10:10 miel         great getting more info then i hoped for
10:09 rangi        and eythian speaks a little dutch
10:08 rangi        Marcel from there is one of the Koha QA team
10:08 miel         our budget btw is also zero
10:08 rangi        :)
10:08 miel         well if anyone in our group still needs convincing i might mention that one :-)
10:07 rangi        hmm rijksmuseum even
10:07 rangi        did you know the rijkmuseum run koha?
10:07 rangi        hmm probably you will have to take photos .. hire a student :-)
10:06 miel         have i mentioned they are all dutch :-P
10:06 rangi        yep
10:06 miel         ill have a look at that too
10:06 miel         but i will have to look at all the possibilities but i guess getting to know marc, importing the database and getting the isbn thingy linked is a good start :-)
10:05 wahanui      rumour has it openlibrary is cool
10:05 rangi        or openlibrary
10:05 rangi        if they have an issn or isbn then you should be able to get covers from google or amazon
10:04 miel         really scared of having to scan 15000 books
10:04 rangi        cool
10:04 miel         i have hardly found anything yet this is really all reconnaissance for now,
10:03 rangi        unless amazon or google have the covers anyway, covers make catalogue searches so much nicer :)
10:03 rangi        (have you found the local covers feature yet? you might like to take photos of covers and attach them to the records)
10:03 miel         i might do that thanks again for pointing me in the right direction
10:02 rangi        http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Users_Worldwide
10:01 rangi        feel free to add yourself to the wiki if you like
10:01 rangi        no problem
10:00 miel         I thank you for your time
10:00 miel         ok i guess most of my questions will be directed there (unless i get in to real trouble)
09:59 rangi        course if you hit a bug, or want to make a patch etc, then here is the best bet
09:59 rangi        you can certainly ask here, but you will probably get a better answer on the mailing list is all
09:58 rangi        who know using the software better
09:58 rangi        the mailing list has a lot more librarians
09:58 rangi        its just most of us on here are devs
09:58 rangi        nope thats fine
09:58 rangi        (i only mention that because we sadly get quite a few 'demanding' answers type questions)
09:58 miel         ah wel sorry for spamming then
09:58 rangi        the main list is better for usage stuff
09:58 miel         i understand and am grateful
09:57 rangi        here is a good place for asking about development
09:57 rangi        and understanding of course that any support someone will be giving up their own time to provide :-)
09:57 miel         it should be
09:56 rangi        if it's to do with using koha
09:56 rangi        probably the mailing list
09:56 miel         but if i get stuck this would be my next stop?
09:55 miel         printing it right now
09:55 rangi        thats the best place to go for help
09:55 miel         worked out quite well
09:55 wahanui      manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation
09:55 rangi        manual?
09:55 miel         yes
09:55 rangi        you installed with the .deb packages eh?
09:55 miel         i will have many questions over the next months and wanted to know how easy it is to get help if i need it
09:54 miel         koha looks very interesting and ive setup a testserver and are sinve one hour testing
09:54 rangi        right
09:53 miel         we have about 15000 comic books and are open twice a week
09:53 rangi        do you circulate?
09:53 miel         i am looking for a solution for a comic book library
09:52 miel         ah, well it's been 10 years since ive been on irc it feels weird :-)
09:51 rangi        (as the bot says)
09:51 wahanui      Don't ask to ask, just ask.
09:51 rangi        ask?
09:51 rangi        easiest way to find out is to ask them
09:49 miel         is there anybody here who wants to answer a couple of general questions?
09:47 miel         euhm hi
09:17 magnuse      rangi++
08:45 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @ranginui: "adding goodreads reviews to #kohails the first draft https://t.co/z5eJuiMdYX"
08:23 wahanui      hello, gaetan_B
08:23 gaetan_B     hello
08:12 * magnuse    starts packing :-)
08:11 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -8.0°C (8:50 AM CET on March 12, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: -13.0°C. Windchill: -16.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Rising).
08:11 magnuse      @wunder boo
08:11 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 9.0°C (9:00 AM CET on March 12, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Steady).
08:11 magnuse      @wunder marseille
08:09 * magnuse    waves
08:05 wahanui      what's up, asaurat
08:05 asaurat      hi
07:44 wahanui      hola, reiveune
07:44 reiveune     hello
06:15 dcook        night #koha
05:40 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @gmcharlt: "Exploring memcached caches http://t.co/kTu1mg4jcr #kohails #egils"
04:54 dcook        Typo?
04:54 dcook        Hmm get_report_social_data starts with #!/bin/perl rather than #!/usr/bin/perl
04:39 dcook        Hmm, perhaps living in the future does have perks...:)
04:39 bag          it's not even tuesday yet
04:35 dcook        [off] is it only Tuesday? *sigh*
04:30 eythian      http://www.sourcemage.org/ <-- distro is related
04:29 dcook        Cannon fodder? :p
04:26 gmcharlt     we'll have to arrange for a big bunch of QA Numenoreans to stand between the RM and the balrog ;)
04:26 dcook        mew?
04:25 bag          it's more like herding kittens than battling balrogs
04:24 dcook        Perhaps we could rig up an image of gmcharlt taking on a balrog
04:24 cjh          RM = release mage
04:24 dcook        Anyone good with photoshop?
04:24 * dcook      has an image of an RM with a long white beard and a white staff
04:24 bag          like magic they appear :)
04:23 cjh          gmcharlt: soooooo, that RM position, eh?
04:23 dcook        hehe
04:23 gmcharlt     hi bag
04:23 gmcharlt     dcook: don't worry, an RM will appear ;)
04:23 bag          hiya gmcharlt
04:23 bag          there he is :)
04:23 gmcharlt     indeed
04:23 bag          I think gmcharlt was also thinking about doing it again
04:22 bag          we've still got time
04:22 dcook        Mind you, I've only been working on Koha for 1 year and it's heaps older than that, so...
04:22 dcook        I suppose the paranoid part of my brain wonders sometimes about the future.
04:21 * dcook      keeps wondering who will step up for 3.14 RM
04:19 cjh          about as far as 3.8 :)
04:19 dcook        How many releases back do we usually maintain?
04:19 cjh          possibly
04:19 dcook        Are you doing the 3.8 maintaining, cjh?
04:18 dcook        :p
04:18 bag          :P
04:18 dcook        Plus I don't think the chimera was too well received
04:18 bag          one of the heads is gone now - so no more 3 header
04:18 cjh          a 3 headed bywater person?
04:18 bag          khall has been thinking about it
04:17 dcook        I was wondering if a  ByWater person might take it on :p
04:17 cjh          heh
04:17 bag          or wait tag you are it
04:17 bag          finger to nose - not it :P
04:17 cjh          true :)
04:16 bag          so I guess we still have two months
04:16 bag          two months until release of 3.12 though
04:16 cjh          less than 2 days to find an RM :o
04:15 cjh          \o/
04:14 bag          ok Sonja and I are going to watch the first episode right now :P
04:12 cjh          bag: naaaww
04:12 dcook        hehe
04:11 bag          I'm watching baby TV - my daughter is asleep and that's the most TV I watch…  ( a little monitor from another room :) )
04:10 bag          looks great
04:10 bag          oh I will
04:10 cjh          bag: watch it, hurry!
04:10 dcook        To be honest, I hadn't heard of it before I moved to Sydney last year either..
04:10 bag          tomorrow tomorrow
04:10 dcook        :o
04:10 cjh          bag: :o
04:10 bag          hmm I will have to watch that
04:10 bag          oh I haven't heard of the it crowd before
03:29 * wajasu     with egit in the ide,
03:29 wizzyrea     \o/
03:28 * wajasu     just setup koha dev in EPIC eclipse.  now i can run the site out of the iDE.
01:24 wizzyrea     i laugh every time.
01:24 wizzyrea     hehe
01:23 eythian      I had, when I watched the show, but that was ages ago
01:23 wizzyrea     eythian: had you not seen that?
01:23 wahanui      okay, eythian.
01:23 eythian      wahanui: the internet is also http://youtu.be/iDbyYGrswtg
01:23 wahanui      ...but internet is not working here properly... I may disappear...
01:23 eythian      wahanui: the internet is http://youtu.be/iDbyYGrswtg
01:17 wizzyrea     yiippee!
01:16 rangi        sweet
01:15 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1073: FIXED in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1073/
01:15 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
00:08 jenkins_koha Starting build #1073 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1066 9 days 5 hr ago)
00:07 jenkins_koha rangi: job koha_master build scheduled now
00:07 rangi        !jenkins build koha_master now