Time Nick Message 00:01 jcamins Wow. 00:01 jcamins 238 patches pushed this month. 00:01 cait cool 00:02 jcamins cait: isn't it kind of late? 00:02 cait it is 00:02 cait i was packing 00:02 jcamins That makes this month the third-busiest month in the last twelve. 00:03 cait hm 00:03 cait closer to release date... 00:03 cait makes sense probably? 00:04 jcamins 5th busiest month in the last two years. 00:04 jcamins Yup. 00:04 dcook Wow.. 00:05 dcook I wonder what the breakdown for that is 00:05 dcook How many are template changes, module changes, script changes 00:05 dcook Nice to see lots of Owen's changes going through to make the interfaces that much nicer :D 00:05 jcamins I will leave that sort of statistics for someone else. 00:06 rangi http://git.koha-community.org/stats/koha-master/activity.html#commits_by_year/month 00:06 jcamins Hey... I can make it 4th busiest! 00:06 dcook hehe 00:06 jcamins Cool! Thanks. 00:06 jcamins Odd... 00:06 rangi thats when the patches were authored, not when they were pushed (that one i posted) 00:06 bag rangi usually rans stats 00:06 jcamins Those numbers do not match up with mine... 00:06 jcamins at all. 00:07 jcamins Oh. 00:07 jcamins That would be why. 00:07 bag s/rans/runs 00:07 bag is feeling slow today 00:07 wizzyrea in the past tense even. 00:08 dcook So 2008, 2011, 2012 have been big years 00:08 dcook Well, actually, quite a few, but the biggest 00:08 wizzyrea 2009-2010 were mired in conflict and strife. 00:08 jcamins There's a definite upward trend. 00:08 rangi yep 2011 was when we got rid of the deadweight 00:08 rangi end of 2010 00:08 wizzyrea 2008 was 3.0 00:08 wizzyrea and that was huge 00:09 dcook Mmm, all in the numbers, eh? 00:09 wizzyrea 2009-10 were waiting for people to get out of the way 00:10 wizzyrea more or less. 00:10 dcook What happened between 2006-2007? 00:10 dcook BibLibre? 00:10 wahanui hmmm... BibLibre is already doing something like this, so perhaps once this tool is complete, it would provide an easier method of maintaining the service you already provide 00:10 wizzyrea people becoming interested in the idea of an open ILS 00:10 wizzyrea forget biblibre 00:10 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot biblibre 00:10 dcook wizzyrea: that's really exciting :) 00:11 wizzyrea yea, french adoption I guess 00:11 wizzyrea well where's the gource video 00:11 wizzyrea it shows 00:12 wizzyrea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl1a2VN_pec 00:12 wizzyrea 10 years of koha is at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl1a2VN_pec 00:12 wizzyrea 10 years of koha? 00:12 wahanui 10 years of koha is probably at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl1a2VN_pec 00:16 wizzyrea when did koha transition to git? 00:16 rangi 2007 00:16 wizzyrea oh so that's what was happening then :) 00:17 cait :) 00:18 rangi that was about the one and only good thing that came out of my time at liblime 00:19 jcamins You didn't even get any nice t-shirts? 00:19 rangi actually i didnt! 00:19 * slef mumbles something about suggesting git long before that 00:19 * wizzyrea pats slef 00:19 wizzyrea there there 00:19 wizzyrea git wasn't very old in 2008 though 00:20 slef although it wasn't my first suggestion... using arch for 2.0.n>1 wasn't a great move 00:21 slef wizzyrea: it was 3 years old. That's like 21 years old in human years. 00:22 dcook Mmm, so jcamins and ethyian had their first commits in 2010, eh? 00:22 dcook Amazing work since then guys :) 00:22 dcook Everyone really 00:22 jcamins Thanks. 00:22 jcamins Oooh, have I caught up with anyone recently? 00:22 * dcook just finished watching the youtube video 00:23 eythian http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=567299698 00:23 jcamins Hm... doesn't seem too likely that I'll be passing hdl. 00:24 slef [off] hrmph... still a long way to go before I overtake the attribution thiefs 00:24 cait i think i fell down one 00:25 jcamins cait: yes... that was me. :P 00:25 cait tss 00:25 cait i need to get 19 more commits 00:25 cait before colin does... he is in reach 00:25 jcamins I need to get another 350. :P 00:26 dcook Where are those stats again? 00:26 jcamins http://git.koha-community.org/stats/koha-master/authors.html 00:27 slef http://dashboard.koha-community.org/ are the better stats to optimise 00:27 dcook Yeah, I have the dashboard up but some stats seem to be missing 00:27 cait I wanted to catch nicole.. but life interfered 00:28 jcamins slef: true, but I shouldn't be showing well on any of those. 00:28 slef dashboard source? 00:28 slef anyone know where? 00:28 rangi in gitorious 00:28 dcook Nearly 13 million lines of code, rangi? 00:28 rangi dcook: po files 00:28 wahanui po files are outdated 00:28 dcook Mmm 00:28 slef jcamins: shouldn't your name show up on "New features recently pushed" somehow? ;-) 00:29 slef or there should be a last N pushes or something 00:29 rangi https://gitorious.org/koha-dashboard 00:29 rangi i havent pushed to there in a little while so its out of date 00:29 slef dashboard source is https://gitorious.org/koha-dashboard 00:29 jcamins slef: since only one person is ever pushing things at a time, it doesn't really seem necessary. 00:29 slef rangi-- 00:30 wizzyrea ! 00:30 slef jcamins: well, can we judge you on the datestamps in that column then? Give you a beer if all five are today? ;-) 00:30 rangi its pushed to my localbackups of course .. or i could just turn the dashboard server off if you would prefer? 00:30 cait noooooo 00:31 jcamins slef: they won't be, because I prioritize bugfixes. 00:31 jcamins Actually, wait... 00:31 jcamins they might be. 00:32 slef jcamins: hmm. "bugfixes recently pushed" would be a nice enh. 00:35 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9555' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e247af6723f17c76ec106f01314850337ab4e475> / Bug 9555: Template files contain single quote strings <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f36ac484c91754bd490858089ea09f26cb3b11cf> / Merge branch 'bug_9669' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4f0191e1 00:35 * dcook will have to get on top of pushing up his number from 21 00:36 jenkins_koha Starting build #1062 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED) 00:36 jcamins Okay... 00:36 jcamins I am confused. 00:37 jcamins bug 9456 00:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9456 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Add callnumber column to the cart 00:37 jcamins Wasn't the goal improved readability? 00:39 dcook Hmm 00:39 rangi i think it was just being able to sort by callnumber was the original goal 00:39 jcamins Well... it does sort by callnumber. 00:39 jcamins But now you can't tell which library which item is at. 00:39 rangi ahh thats less than useful 00:39 jcamins Yeah. 00:40 dcook jcamins: How's that? 00:40 jcamins dcook: you end up with something that looks like Call number Branch Branch Call number Branch 00:41 dcook Interesting 00:41 wahanui Interesting is probably sometimes good and sometimes bad 00:41 jcamins And it's a solid mass of text. 00:42 dcook :S: 00:42 slef Changes submitted for bug 8740 00:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8740 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, Needs Signoff , Serials Claims should be exportable all at once 00:48 dcook Hmm. Some of these bootstrap changes look rather awful in Chrome.. 00:48 jcamins dcook: really? 00:48 jcamins I like 'em a lot! 00:48 dcook Maybe it's a caching issue then.. 00:49 jcamins I use Chrome on a Mac. 00:49 wizzyrea oh yes definitely nuke your cache 00:49 wizzyrea they always look bad right at first. 00:49 wizzyrea god it's like he knows 00:49 oleonard I sensed a disturbance in the Force... 00:49 dcook jcamins: Looks like it was caching :) 00:49 dcook lol 00:49 eythian it was just the farce, nothing to worry about oleonard 00:49 dcook oleonard++ 00:49 jcamins lol 00:50 oleonard *whew* 00:50 dcook It was weird.. 00:50 dcook I've seen weird caching before but this was different 00:51 dcook oleonard: Yes, before that moment, I've been a huge fan of the Bootstrap additions :) 00:52 jcamins Woohoo! I saved $0.29/lb on lentils today! 00:52 oleonard I was just reading the logs because I didn't know where else to go to find out what to do with an extra half an avacado 00:52 dcook lol 00:52 jcamins oleonard: ... really? 00:53 oleonard No, but that's what I found! :) 00:53 jcamins Oh. 00:54 jcamins Ooh! I can use the splinter code review! 00:55 wizzyrea lolol 00:55 jcamins No I can't. 00:55 jcamins How do I leave a comment? 00:55 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_3549' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4fc65c47a1c40dde589ebc14c7d45f81b5438292> / Bug 3549 -[Revised]- Framework sorting in addbook <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=590c476f094546532cf521c3433693717f2738dd> 00:55 rangi double click on the line you want to comment on 00:56 jcamins Ah! 00:56 jcamins Cool! 00:56 jcamins Thanks. 00:56 rangi then go back to overview and hit publish 00:56 rangi when you are done 00:56 rangi or only u can see them :) 00:57 oleonard How does it fit into the process? The person who submitted the patch sees that there is a review? 00:59 jcamins Yeah, it gets e-mailed to everyone watching the bug. 00:59 rangi everyone does (who reads the mailing list or is subscribed to the bug) 01:00 jcamins oleonard: why are you online? 01:00 jcamins It seems a bit later than usual for you. 01:00 oleonard I dunno. 01:01 slef wizzyrea++ 01:02 slef @quote add <oleonard> I was just reading the logs because I didn't know where else to go to find out what to do with an extra half an avacado 01:02 huginn slef: The operation succeeded. Quote #234 added. 01:02 slef @quote random 01:02 jcamins Hey... what _does_ the VM Manager do? 01:02 huginn slef: Quote #222: "jcamins: test patches, don't feed trolls." (added by druthb at 07:49 PM, December 07, 2012) 01:02 slef jcamins: manages viral monkeys. What did you think it does? 01:02 wizzyrea wait what'd I do? 01:03 slef wizzyrea: took http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9322 to lists 01:03 huginn 04Bug 9322: major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , If multiple transfers exist (from circ/branchtransfers.pl), completing one completes them all 01:04 wizzyrea oh yea, it needed eyes desperately 01:04 wizzyrea needs fixing desperately too 01:04 wizzyrea (do note, it's not catalyst that has been paid to do the work that is hung up by that bug) 01:05 wizzyrea i just know that larger libraries that heavily use transits get things hung up by that bug. 01:05 wizzyrea and it's unpleasant at best to unravel 01:05 jcamins slef: to be honest, I haven't a clue. What VMs? 01:08 slef jcamins: is this about roles for 3.14? 01:08 jcamins slef: yeah. 01:08 jcamins A potential volunteer wants to know what his duties would entail before telling the world he's interested in doing it. 01:08 slef I guess it's keeping the VM image up to date. 01:09 slef as in http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Setting_Up_Koha_in_Virtual_Environment_%2B_Using_That_as_a_Development_Environment 01:09 slef Is it a new role? 01:09 eythian I think that wiki page is totally unrelated 01:09 jcamins I think so? 01:10 slef it was listed on http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.12 but unassigned 01:10 dcook There is an existing VM image loaded up with Koha somewhere? 01:10 dcook I suppose the LiveDvd.. 01:10 jcamins Oh, I bet it's about the Virtual Appliances that Kyle used to do. 01:10 jcamins That makes sense. 01:14 rangi oh this is interesting 01:14 rangi 10151 Galen Charlton 01:14 rangi galen gets blamed for the most lines in C4/ 01:14 rangi :) 01:14 jcamins lol 01:14 jcamins Actually, I'm not surprised. 01:14 rangi 3264 Jared Camins-Esakov 01:15 rangi 2428 Paul Poulain + 6580 tipaul 01:15 jcamins Ha! Paul is responsible for more than me! 01:15 jcamins How did you do that? 01:15 rangi heh 01:15 rangi its cli madness 01:16 rangi git ls-files C4/ | xargs -n1 -d'\n' -i git blame {} | perl -n -e '/\s\((.*?)\s[0-9]{4}/ && print "$1\n"' | sort -f | uniq -c -w3 | sort -r 01:16 rangi im looking in opac/ now 01:17 rangi fun with git ;) 01:17 rangi 1459 Jared Camins-Esakov in Koha/ 01:17 rangi you are the clear winner in there 01:18 jcamins That I will take credit for. :) 01:18 wizzyrea :) 01:18 jcamins rangi: add -n to the end of the sort. 01:19 rangi me looks at the dreaded C4::Search 01:19 rangi yep 01:19 rangi 914 Joshua Ferraro 01:21 rangi lars wins for xt 01:21 bag that seems like a phone number 914 kados 01:21 rangi [off] want someone to make a mess and then swan off with a bag of cash ... call 914 kados 01:22 rangi 355 Bart Jorgensen in t/ 01:22 rangi thats pretty sweet 01:22 jcamins Nice! 01:22 bag [off] that is sooo wrong! 01:22 rangi galen wins in there tho 01:22 rangi 7118 Galen Charlton 01:23 rangi ok time to stop pulling up useless stats and go get kahu from school 01:23 wizzyrea love that kid. 01:23 wizzyrea gl :) 01:24 wizzyrea both bart and kahu. 01:24 rangi 'soren lives in newtown, he will be at the fair eh daddy? He makes me giggle' - kahu this morning 01:25 wizzyrea hehe yea are you guys going to come? 01:25 rangi thats the plan ill sms you 01:25 wizzyrea "he makes me giggle" that's high praise. 01:25 wizzyrea cool 01:26 oleonard Speaking of kids, mine are out of the bath, gotta go 01:26 wizzyrea later 01:26 oleonard See y'all in 12 hours :) 01:42 dcook Oohhh...Amazon covers are even more insidious than I thought.. 01:44 wizzyrea oh do tell 01:44 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1062: SUCCESS in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1062/ 01:44 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9663 - Individual bibliographic record "Save" option requires export permission 01:44 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 5333 - z3950 normalization should apply only on UNIMARC 01:44 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9669 - Replace YUI buttons on staff client cart toolbar 01:44 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9555: Template files contain single quote strings 01:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9663 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Individual bibliographic record "Save" option requires export permission 01:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5333 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Undefined value stops import from z39.50 01:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9669 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI buttons on staff client cart toolbar 01:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9555 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Template files contain single quote strings 01:46 jenkins_koha Starting build #1063 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 01:48 dcook wizzyrea: I'm trying to fetch an image from Amazon with a valid ISBN but the Amazon URL doesn't show anything... 01:48 dcook I'm just about to look at the Amazoncover.js 01:48 dcook But it looks like it removes every image element when it has an error and spits out its own "No cover available" 01:49 dcook In this case, there is a local image elment that should not be erased but it's getting sucked up in the mess 01:53 dcook bug 9737 01:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9737 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Local Covers sometimes appear then disappear on OPAC Search Results/Lists 01:53 wizzyrea oh cascading covers has never worked well. 01:54 dcook [off] In unrelated news, my struggle with the old real estate has finally ended in victory after battling for a month! Bond returned in full ^_^. 01:54 wizzyrea woot! 01:54 dcook :) 01:56 dcook As for the covers, let's see what I can drum up in the next few minutes.. 02:01 eythian wahanui: what is the saddest thing? 02:01 wahanui the saddest thing is probably http://ur1.ca/9x67k 02:03 eythian wahanui: the saddest thing is also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Itanium_Sales_Forecasts_edit.png 02:03 wahanui okay, eythian. 02:06 eythian wahanui: the saddest thing is also http://i39.tinypic.com/14jz15f.jpg 02:06 wahanui okay, eythian. 02:07 eythian wahanui: the saddest thing is also http://ur1.ca/cxl9a 02:07 wahanui okay, eythian. 02:07 jcamins eythian: why are we sad about Itanium? 02:07 eythian the forecasts are the saddest thing 02:09 wizzyrea sounds like the ghostly howls of a drowned tuba player. 02:15 eythian wahanui: the most dangerous game 02:15 wahanui eythian: what? 02:15 eythian wahanui: the most dangerous game is http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=1488 02:15 wahanui OK, eythian. 02:20 dcook :D 02:20 wizzyrea lol. 02:20 * dcook thinks he has a workable solution 02:21 eythian tennis with lit dynamite whilst riding bears. 02:21 eythian it's always a solution. 02:22 * dcook is having way too much fun imagining such a scenario 02:24 dcook In this case, the amazon image just needs to be wrapped in a span... 02:26 eythian http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap130227.html 02:27 dcook http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap121023.html 02:27 dcook That's from 50 km north of my hometown :) 02:28 dcook [off] I probably shouldn't have said that...*shrug* 02:29 jcamins [off] Now everyone knows you're provincial? :P 02:34 dcook [off] Or exactly where to find me when I'm on holiday visiting my folks ;) 02:34 wizzyrea O NOES 02:35 dcook :p 02:35 dcook IN ANY CASE, cool clouds all around 02:35 jcamins [off] Good point. I will come and force you to work on Koha next time you visit. 02:38 jcamins You know what I dislike? 02:38 dcook What's that? 02:38 wahanui that is in march? 02:38 jcamins Binary logical not. 02:38 jcamins Not should be a unary operator. 02:40 eythian it is, isn't it? 02:40 jcamins Unless you are using PQF, yes. 02:40 eythian I see... 02:40 jcamins If you're using PQF, it's mostly just nuts. 02:41 eythian well, really a binary operator should be binary, not unary ;) 02:41 jcamins Right, but I maintain that it should not be binary at all. 02:42 eythian maybe there's a separate unary not operator. 02:42 jcamins Nope. PQF is just mean like that. 02:53 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1063: SUCCESS in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1063/ 02:53 jenkins_koha Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 3549 -[Revised]- Framework sorting in addbook 02:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3549 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Framework sorting in addbook 02:54 jcamins dcook++ 02:54 jenkins_koha Starting build #1064 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 02:54 dcook ? 02:54 jcamins That bug has been reported a lot, but I've never been able to duplicate it because I use special Javascript on sites that have both local cover images and Amazon cover images. 02:55 dcook Mmm 02:55 dcook My patch is actually incomplete. Fixing up a complete one at the moment 02:55 dcook Using special javascript would probably be a better idea, but...this fixes the immediate problem 02:56 jcamins No, the Javascript is for something else entirely. 02:57 jcamins It just so happens that as a side effect it prevents the bug showing up. 02:59 jcamins rangi: do you backport all the Plack fixes to 3.10/3.8? 03:00 dcook Mmm, interesting 03:00 eythian koha packages from master being deployed, based on the new signing keys. 03:00 dcook I assume that JS is the one that I noticed on your dev instance? Seems useful. 03:00 jcamins eythian++ 03:02 jcamins Yeah, but it's not really generally usable at this point. 03:08 dcook Hmm, maybe I'm referring to something different. I just meant that expandable bar you had on the right with all the added info 03:08 dcook In any case, I'll be happy to put this cover image bug to bed 03:08 dcook ...so to speak 03:08 dcook Are bed bugs still a hot issue in the US? 03:09 jcamins Yup. 03:09 jcamins In the city, anyway. 03:09 dcook :( 03:28 libsysguy install all the dependencies from cpan 03:29 jcamins That will fix bed bugs? 03:29 libsysguy sadly no 03:29 libsysguy but it will fix insomnia 03:29 jcamins Alas. 03:29 libsysguy :p 03:29 jcamins lol 03:31 libsysguy I think I can see light at the end of my force install tunnel 03:31 jcamins Heh. 03:31 libsysguy I am into modules without deps 03:31 libsysguy lol 03:32 libsysguy so if you wanna be my dependency, you gotta be dependencies for my friends 03:32 * libsysguy has been at this too long 03:35 libsysguy and the grand total size for the perl deps for my catalyst app 03:35 libsysguy 78M 03:36 libsysguy total catalyst app size 1.9M 04:01 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1064: SUCCESS in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1064/ 04:07 jcamins Something of an argument in favor of any other framework, I think. 04:07 * jcamins heads to bed. 05:20 dcook OMGWTFBBQ! 05:20 dcook Integrate ElasticSearch as a search engine 05:20 rangi 20 points if you do it 05:20 rangi (it's actually not so bad with jcamins search rewrite) 05:21 dcook I thought ElasticSearch only worked with JSON 05:22 * dcook has been meaning to play with it for...a little over a year 05:24 rangi the main advantage is it is schema less 05:24 rangi you pass the schema with the data you want to index 05:24 rangi with elastic search you could make the opac do discovery .. in an actual useful fashion 05:28 rangi not being a librarian, im all about making the opac useful, if i never to try to improve staff workflows again ill be happy 05:28 rangi never have to even 05:29 dcook hehe 05:29 rangi i should pitch my talk idea to ALA 05:30 rangi [off] the idea is i get a panel of non library users, and 10 opacs, and ask them to find a certain title 05:30 dcook Throughout library school, I always thought about things from the perspective of the end user (as I really enjoyed the Vancouver Public Library) 05:30 rangi [off] performance art almost :) 05:30 dcook But now I have noticed more of a focus on the staff end, since clients are librarians. Interesting.. 05:30 dcook [off] lol 05:31 dcook [off] I really like that idea actually. A lot of my conversations/papers a few years ago related to making the library relevant to real people. It contains the items they want. They just need to know that the library has them, and have an efficient way of actually finding those items 05:32 dcook So with ElasticSearch...you pass it the MARCXML and the MARCXML schema, then it indexes everything and outputs it as JSON? 05:32 rangi [off] exactly libraries dont really need new missions, or to reinvent themselves they just need to improve delivery of their current mission and market themselves so ppl know they still exist 05:32 rangi pretty much 05:33 rangi and then you throw it some dublin core 05:33 rangi and some whatever else 05:33 dcook So that it's outputting meaningful standard-based metadata? 05:34 dcook [off] Exactly! I put that in my library school entrance essay, and they seemed rather keen on that idea 05:36 dcook I still wonder a bit about the concept of discovery though 05:36 dcook What do people want to know? 05:36 dcook I was intrigued by VPL's use of Bibliocommons, but I've usually used the opac for targetted searches rather than discovery.. 05:37 * dcook tends to trawl bookstores and comic shops for that 05:37 dcook I suppose those are two slightly different ideas about discovery though 05:44 rangi yeah 05:44 rangi what the discovery interfaces seem to do 05:44 rangi is try to do some (not federated .. that would be sensible) kinda union search 05:45 rangi over the catalogue and databases 05:45 dcook Mmm 05:46 dcook They seem to also pick out a lot more of the fixed field data than traditional OPACs 05:46 dcook So they give more options for language, audience, media type, etc 05:46 dcook Some of the things that RDA is irrelevantly expanding into other fields.. 05:47 dcook They seemingly do facets well 05:47 dcook Cataloguers seem to hate them though. 05:50 dcook I suppose that goes back to what you were saying before mentioning the talk :p 05:54 rangi :) 06:01 dcook In other news, it looks like I'm going to Reno :). Have to look at flights and what leave I want to take before/after, but yay! 06:04 rangi sweet! 06:05 dcook :D 06:06 dcook Thinking about giving some sort of presentation, but not really sure on what yet. Maybe something for librarians/other newbies. 06:06 * Oak waves 06:06 dcook hi Oak :) 06:11 dcook Morning, cait :) 06:12 cait goodmornig 06:29 * dcook heads off toward the weekend 06:44 * magnuse waves 06:44 magnuse Oak 06:50 magnuse wow, 235 signoffs in february! 06:52 * cait waves 06:58 Oak magnuse 06:58 Oak hello cait 06:58 cait hi Oak :) 06:59 Oak :) 06:59 magnuse hiya Oak and cait 07:46 reiveune hello 08:07 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @BibLibre: "Nous sommes heureux d'annoncer que l'Université de Paris-Sud a choisi #KOHAils et #BibLibre pour son futur SIGB" 08:32 gaetan_B hello 08:32 christophe_c hello all 08:40 magnuse bonjour france 08:40 magnuse another french university chooses koha? cool! 08:49 christophe_c hello magnuse 08:55 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @IrmaLibraries: "Bravo #kohails and #BibLibre ! Another French university chooses Koha : Université de Paris-Sud" 08:58 magnuse bonjour christophe_c 08:59 cait hi christophe_c and magnuse 08:59 cait :) 08:59 christophe_c hi cait 09:04 samuel hi everybody :-) 09:04 magnuse hi samuel 09:05 magnuse hm, why is one of my instances sending DUE messages that lack title and author? ODUE messages have them and other instances running off the same package install has them... 09:05 magnuse koha 3.8 btw 09:05 cait checked your notice templates? 09:06 magnuse yeah, as far as i can tell they are identical between the instance that works and the one that does not 09:07 cait hm 09:07 cait and they never worked? 09:10 magnuse nope 09:10 magnuse well, i just enabled them 09:10 cait hmm 09:10 cait can you share your notice tempateß 09:10 cait for due? 09:11 magnuse sure 09:11 magnuse one moment 09:11 cait also did you use the itemscontent parameter on the cronjob? 09:12 magnuse um, not sure 09:13 magnuse but i think the packages run the same script with the same params for all instances 09:13 cait hm yeah would make sense 09:13 cait oh 09:13 magnuse http://paste.koha-community.org/413http://paste.koha-community.org/413 09:13 magnuse http://paste.koha-community.org/413 09:13 cait is it a library specific template each time? or all libraries? 09:13 magnuse no library specific templates 09:13 * cait ponders 09:14 cait that is DUE not the DGST 09:14 cait I am not using those.... too annoying to get so many emails :) 09:16 magnuse yeah, it's DUE 09:16 drojf good morning #koha 09:17 cait magnuse: running out of ideas :( 09:18 cait did you check the title in question is correct? 09:19 cait @wunder Dortmund 09:19 huginn cait: The current temperature in Dortmund, Germany is 2.0°C (9:50 AM CET on March 01, 2013). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady). 09:19 cait @wunder Konstanz 09:19 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 1.0°C (10:00 AM CET on March 01, 2013). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023 hPa (Rising). 09:56 magnuse hm, maybe i found the problem with the DUE messages? they were set up to be sent as the first message in the "Overdue notice/status triggers" settings 09:56 magnuse on the instance that works, only ODUE messages are set there 09:57 magnuse and "Advance notice" is ticked off in the enhanced messaging section for the relevant patron category 09:58 magnuse i'll reproduce that setup and see if it changes anything 10:28 cait1 @wunder st. georgen 10:29 huginn cait1: Error: No such location could be found. 10:30 cait1 yeah, probably too small :) 10:50 magnuse cait1: on a train? 10:50 cait1 heh how did you know? ;) 10:57 magnuse male intuition:-) 11:34 magnuse @karma indexdata 11:34 huginn magnuse: indexdata has neutral karma. 11:54 magnuse how is anyone supposed to know what the usmarc.mar file does when the documentation is limited to one small, vague paragraph? https://www.indexdata.com/zebra/doc/grs-conf.html#grs-mar-files 11:55 magnuse "This file provides rules for representing a record in the ISO2709 format. The rules pertain mostly to the values of the constant-length header of the record." 11:55 magnuse mostly?!? and how are the rules defined? 11:55 magnuse indexdata-- 12:23 magnuse is there a us holiday today or something? 12:23 jcamins Not that I know of. 12:23 jcamins Why? 12:23 magnuse i was just expecting us people to start showing up around now 12:24 magnuse s/us/US/ 12:24 jcamins It's a bit early still. 12:24 jcamins 7:20. 12:24 magnuse ah, ok 12:25 magnuse don't know why i am impatient then :-) 12:25 magnuse oh, it's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Pig_Day in the US 12:26 jcamins Huh. Who knew? 12:28 magnuse wikiedia knew :-) 12:34 * magnuse imagines cait zooming in and out of tunnels in the german countryside 12:34 cait ah :) 12:34 cait yeah lots of tunnels on that part of the trip - but past that now :) 12:35 cait more urban area now so I hope internet will be a bit more stable 12:35 magnuse yay 13:34 oleonard Hi #koha 13:34 slef Changes submitted for bug 7167 13:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7167 blocker, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , updatedatabase improvements 13:34 slef upgraded it to blocker because it blocks a blocker 13:34 slef IYSWIM 13:36 Herwig Hey koha i'm moving a koha database to a test server now i wanna rebuild zebra with sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -v -f library ... is the word library the database name ? 13:37 nengard slef what is IYSWIM ? 13:37 oleonard IYSWIM? 13:37 * oleonard guesses "If you see what I mean?" 13:39 slef oleonard++ 13:40 magnuse Herwig: library is the name of the instance 13:40 oleonard wahanui: IYSWIM is "If you see what I mean" 13:40 wahanui oleonard: i don't know 13:40 magnuse Herwig: the actual database "inside" mysql will be koha_library or library_koha, i never remember which 13:41 Herwig i have koha_koha-oe 13:42 magnuse Herwig: then you have created an instance called koha-oe? 13:42 Herwig i get sudo: unknown user: koha_koha-oe-koha 13:43 magnuse Herwig: what was the command you gave? 13:43 Herwig koha-rebuild-zebra -v -f koha_koha-oe 13:48 magnuse ah try: 13:48 magnuse koha-rebuild-zebra -v -f koha-oe 13:49 Herwig works 13:49 magnuse if you do koha-list you can see the instances you have 13:49 magnuse the names that koha-list give are the ones you should use in commands 13:49 Herwig i try afther indexing 13:50 Herwig 50000 record just a sec ;) 13:56 slef Could we downgrade Bug 9326, then? I don't think 9326 should block release. Also, it appears unnecessarily high in the needs-signoff list and ahead of this bug which it depends upon. 13:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9326 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , New database update system suggests running duplicate updates 13:57 Herwig magnuse ++++++ 13:57 Herwig :) 13:57 Herwig i learn new things everytime i come here :) 13:57 magnuse :-) 13:58 magnuse me too! :-) 13:58 Herwig lol 14:00 jcamins slef: by all means. 14:01 jcamins I hadn't noticed the weird ordering before. 14:04 slef Changes submitted for bug 9326 14:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9326 new feature, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , New database update system suggests running duplicate updates 14:10 cait1 @quote random 14:10 huginn cait1: Quote #12: "<owen> Every time you check in a book a little video loads and Nancy Pearl recites her capsule review of it." (added by gmcharlt at 06:36 PM, July 06, 2009) 14:11 * jcamins heads into the city. 14:13 cait1 ok... and now I missed him :) 15:10 oleonard jcamins around again yet? 15:44 jcamins Just got in. 15:45 jcamins Well, actually, I've been here about twenty minutes, but I had to fix my client's LAN. 15:46 jcamins ... you can't download an old version of Firefox for an old computer? 15:47 oleonard You mean you couldn't find the older version to download? 15:47 jcamins I didn't look yet. 15:47 jcamins But the FF front page says "Your system doesn't meet the requirements for Firefox! Ha!" 15:48 jcamins I generally expect to be told "Your system doesn't meet the requirements for the current version. Please consider $AncientVersion." 15:48 oleonard I seem to recall jumping through hoops to find a 3.6.x version to test on 15:48 jwagner jcamins, yes, there are sites for old versions. See http://www.oldversion.com/windows/mozilla-firefox/ for one 15:48 jwagner also https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/install-older-version-of-firefox 15:49 jcamins Ah-ha! 15:49 jcamins Thanks! 15:50 jcamins For the record, I still maintain it is poor user experience to not direct the user to 3.6.28 right away. 15:50 oleonard I assume it's because they don't fix security problems in older versions? 15:51 jcamins Well, sure, but people aren't going to go out and buy a new computer just to run Firefox. 15:51 oleonard Heh, in the options for "Firefox no longer works with some versions of Windows XP," they suggest "Download Opera" 15:52 slef Mozilla seem to be losing the plot more and more 15:52 jenkins_koha Starting build #30 for job Koha_Docs_3.10.x (previous build: FIXED) 15:52 jenkins_koha Starting build #300 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: FIXED) 15:52 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.10.x build #30: SUCCESS in 1 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.10.x/30/ 15:52 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add j2a cron 15:52 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add id to j2a perl documentation 15:53 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #300: SUCCESS in 1 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/300/ 15:53 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add j2a cron 15:53 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add id to j2a perl documentation 15:53 slef I saw someone complaining that Mozilla were refusing to implement new standards until one of ( Opera, Microsoft, Google ) did, but I've not checked that. 15:53 rambutan I have the vague, uncomfortable feeling the FF is becoming more MS-centric. Maybe just me, however, and that's not the case. 15:54 rambutan s/the/that 15:54 jwagner FF used to be a nice slim functional browser. The last several versions it's gotten more and more bloated, and changes functionality for no good reason. 15:56 rambutan That was certainly the case with the old Mozilla suite, but after FF kinda went out on it's own it was better for a while, but now its got feature creep again. 15:56 jcamins Anyway, what can I do for you, oleonard? 15:57 oleonard jcamins: I have a revised patch for Bug 9445. Can I set it back to needs signoff or would you rather it get a new signoff? 15:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9445 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Use DataTables in local use system preferences editor 15:57 jcamins I don't suppose Opera runs on OS X 10.4.11... 15:57 jcamins You can set it to Passed QA. 15:58 oleonard Thanks 15:59 oleonard It's easy to say that FF has feature creep, but what are the features in the creep? It doesn't seem like it's got new bells and whistles 16:00 * jcamins will let you know how Koha works in FF 3.6.28. 16:03 oleonard although I have to say I haven't been much interested in looking at FF's new developer tools, being accustomed to Firebug 16:04 oleonard I tested the new Bootstrap stuff in 3.6.28 16:04 rambutan Features: (1) sync w/ mobile devices (2) password manager (3) pop-up blocker (4) form auto-complete (5) Location-Aware Browsing 16:05 rambutan Not saying these aren't good features, just that FF has been adding stuff. 16:05 oleonard The only thing on that list that's new is 1) and 5) 16:06 rambutan I still prefer Konqueror when I want split screens, that's immensely cool to me 16:06 Joubu good bye #koha, have a good week-end! 16:06 jenkins_koha Starting build #301 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS) 16:06 jenkins_koha Starting build #31 for job Koha_Docs_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 16:06 oleonard Bye Joubu 16:06 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.10.x build #31: SUCCESS in 17 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.10.x/31/ 16:06 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update j2a perl doc 16:06 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add perldoc for update_totalissues.pl 16:06 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #301: SUCCESS in 16 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/301/ 16:06 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update j2a perl doc 16:06 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add perldoc for update_totalissues.pl 16:08 reiveune bye 16:09 slef running patches2bugs mailer 16:10 slef Mailing bug 8252 and bug 8620 16:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8252 critical, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Needs Signoff , Error in DOM biblio for UNIMARC (no range for fields 1xx) 16:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8620 major, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Needs Signoff , Barcode searching not working correctly 16:11 slef I remember looking at both of those. 8252 I did not test because I have no UNIMARC sites and 8620 I wondered if it should fix UNIMARC as well as MARC21 16:11 slef coding guidelines? 16:11 wahanui coding guidelines are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines 16:12 slef well they don't mention MARC formats at all 16:12 slef opinions? 16:13 jcamins Yes... I thought I already failed that patch. 16:14 jcamins It regenerates koha-biblio-indexdefs.xml. 16:14 jcamins Or biblio-koha-indexefs 16:14 jcamins Or whatever it's called. 16:15 jcamins Oh, I thought you asked for "thoughts." 16:16 slef huh? 16:16 slef I did 16:16 slef I'm currently working on something else, then may return to that 16:17 jcamins You asked for "opinions," which that wasn't really. 16:17 slef heh, true, but close enough! 16:17 jcamins But oh well. 16:19 slef any thoughts on the MARC21/UNIMARC aspect? 16:19 slef wow, chocolate that you can buy with bitcoin 16:19 jcamins slef: a friend of mine bought cookies from me for BTC. 16:20 jcamins And... I don't know how I feel about the MARC21/UNIMARC issue. Are we sure there's a problem in UNIMARC? 16:24 slef cait: do you use MARC21 or UNIMARC? 16:24 jcamins MARC21. 16:24 slef jcamins: then no :) 16:25 slef cait: only the assignee's comment 16:25 slef grr 16:25 slef jcamins: only the assignee's comment 16:25 jcamins Right. 16:25 jcamins And I question the fix anyway, since it doesn't address whatever the actual issue is. 16:25 cait why would i use unimarc? :) 16:25 cait you asked me htat before :) germany has adopted marc21 and was using a german data format mab/mab2 before 16:26 cait ok, intenet at the hotel is not better than on the train 16:26 slef jcamins: etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml is patched. I don't see it being regenerated, although some of the patching is intriguing. 16:26 jcamins slef: it's regenerated. See the comments? 16:27 jcamins And we have to conclude that the problem is not a missing "any" for barcode, since keyword searching is working in most other fields, right? 16:28 slef jcamins: yeah, those comment changes are the intriguing bit, but I don't know if it's just updates to reflect record.abs 16:28 jcamins Nope. It's the result of regenerating biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml. 16:28 * slef goes to reread bug 16:28 slef jcamins: I guess I just don't understand this enough to review it :-/ 16:28 jcamins He doesn't say that explicitly. 16:29 slef comment 4, right? 16:30 jcamins Oh, yes, he does say it explicitly. 16:30 jcamins I'll fail it tonight, I guess. 16:30 slef ok, I'll stop failing to fail it for now then :) 16:30 jcamins Sounds good. 16:31 slef cait1: hello again. Your internet sucks. 16:31 cait1 it totally does. 16:31 slef or is this an attempt to surround us? 16:31 cait1 and they want 4,50€/hour to use their internet... 16:32 slef wahahwhwhat? 16:32 slef have you asked them what flavour crack their price-setters are on? 16:32 cait1 not for this internet... but to get wifi from the hotel 16:33 cait1 telecom I think 16:33 cait1 some hotels do that... don't have their own but let telecom do it 16:33 slef oh right... why is your o2 failing to be stable? 16:33 cait1 we are a bit outside of the city 16:33 cait1 I am still trying to figure it out 16:34 cait1 and trying to tether from the phone 16:34 slef usb or wifi tether? I find it tends to work better than dongle, which seems a bit odd to me, but I guess the phone has its own power. 16:43 mustard Do none of you Really Smart people have any thoughts of replacing MySql w/ MariaDB (or, huh, MongoDB)? 16:44 jcamins rambutan: I use MariaDB. 16:44 jcamins MongoDB is something else entirely. 16:44 maximep mongodb is a completly different db 16:45 rambutan jcamins: you use mariadb for Koha now? 16:45 jcamins Yup. 16:45 jcamins Not in production. 16:45 maximep jcamins: is mariadb really worth it if you dont use any of its extra features ? 16:45 jcamins maximep: I'm striking a blow for freedom everywhere? 16:45 rambutan I think the issue is freedom as much as features 16:45 jcamins :P 16:45 maximep ah 16:45 maximep right 16:46 jcamins But I don't think it makes much of a difference. 16:46 jcamins There may be an issue with deleting things in MariaDB. 16:46 jcamins But then again, there may just be an issue with deleting things under Plack. 16:46 maximep yeah, i think much of the perf updates are in mysql 5.6 16:46 jcamins It's hard to tell. 16:46 maximep hmmm we really have to spend time trying Plack for our intranets 16:47 jcamins It works great, except when it doesn't, which is often. 16:47 maximep but I guess you have to update to latest 3.10 for it 16:47 maximep ? 16:47 jcamins I wouldn't use it in production for the intranet. 16:47 maximep ok 16:47 jcamins I use Plack on master. 16:48 cait grr 16:48 cait irc logs? 16:48 wahanui irc logs are http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ 16:50 maximep so this freedom thing is not using anything that could have the word oracle in it ? 16:50 maximep like virtualbox, mysql, etc 16:50 cait oh ok, none of what I said shoed up here... 16:50 cait yay 16:50 maximep I guess I just don't care that much :S 16:50 cait at least thethering seems to work better :) 16:51 jcamins maximep: I have no objection to VirtualBox. 16:51 jcamins Actually, I don't even have any objection to MySQL. 16:51 jcamins Someone told me "hey, you should use MariaDB it's more free," and I said "okay, fine." 16:51 slef I should use MariaDB it's more free. 16:51 slef I need more time to test it, though. 16:52 slef Same old question: What are the priorities? 16:52 jcamins Probably not MariaDB. 16:52 jcamins I'm testing it as a side effect of other things. 17:07 tcohen hi #koha! 17:07 oleonard Hi tcohen 17:09 tcohen i've just sold my car, i got my brain back 17:10 jcamins tcohen: cool, I didn't realize that one could exchange cars for brains. 17:10 tcohen heh, no, but the whole transaction got me too nervous 17:10 tcohen its my first time 17:11 tcohen I see most of the places are filled for 3.14 roles 17:11 jcamins There's always space for you! :D 17:12 tcohen where? cant find 17:12 cait maybe you could help with translations? 17:13 bag we should list everyone names on sign-off'er ;) 17:13 jcamins Or RMaint for 3.12. 17:13 jcamins Or you could do QA. 17:13 jcamins Or packaging. 17:13 jcamins Or work on live CDs/DVDs. 17:13 jcamins Or RM!!!! 17:14 cait ok, that seems like a good moment to leave ;) 17:14 cait bye all 17:14 jcamins Or documentation. 17:14 wahanui documentation is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/ 17:14 jcamins ^^ that was cait volunteering to be RM 17:15 oleonard There's gotta be a way we can rope jcamins into being RM or an RMaint... 17:16 jcamins oleonard: not likely, sorry. 17:18 tcohen mmm rmaint is a lot of resposability! 17:18 jcamins It is, but it's also kind of fun. :) 17:19 tcohen i arrived late for 3.8.x, that would be easier as we actually use it 17:19 tcohen anyway, out for lunch :-D 17:19 jcamins You could switch to 3.12! :P 17:25 slef Same old question: What are the priorities? 17:25 slef that and I nuked our koha-community budget :-/ 17:26 jcamins slef: hiring an RM would be rather dear compared to a conference, I think. 17:28 slef jcamins: any idea how many hours you spent RMing on top of what you would have spent anyway? 17:28 jcamins slef: I don't know, but I could probably figure it out. 17:29 slef my last figures are what, 7 releases ago? 17:29 slef and that was RMaint 17:29 slef jcamins: I suspect it would be useful info, help to avoid getting a lame-duck RM. 17:29 slef jcamins: you seem to have kept on top of it pretty well so far, but the next 6 weeks are the tricky bit. 17:30 jcamins Yeah, now is when it goes from "too much" to "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrgggggghhhhhhh." 17:33 jcamins I'd say on the weeks when I don't do much, it's about 10 hours more than I would've spent if I weren't RM. 17:35 oleonard And the project is the better for it. 17:36 oleonard jcamins++ 17:36 slef so 0.28 Full-Time Equivalent 17:36 jcamins Minimum. 17:36 slef but that's minimum 17:36 slef snap 17:36 jcamins Yup. 17:37 slef do you log your time? 17:37 jcamins I log my time for everything other than RM duties. 17:37 slef might be interesting to quantify aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrgggggghhhhhhh 17:37 jcamins Yeah. 17:37 jcamins I'll start doing that as of now, though, since it's a good point. 17:37 slef I can mail you a perl time-logger if you like, but you probably have your own tools. 17:38 jcamins I use an online system so that I can tap a large red button on my phone when I start things. 17:40 slef the perl one is hooked up to ours. I don't use it. I use emacs (surprise, huh?) except when travelling. What's yours, if it's FOSS? 17:41 jcamins I actually paid for a subscription to Harvest. 17:42 jcamins I tried a couple of FOSS systems first, but none of them were as streamlined, and a time logger is useless if it's too much trouble to remember to use it. 17:46 jcamins Though I've been using OpenERP for other things and liking it, so I may try and figure out a streamlined interface to its time tracking. 17:56 slef Yeah, we're building our FOSS system up at the moment. 17:56 slef We didn't get on with OpenERP or Tryton, and having more members than FTE workers means that most subscription services quickly become uneconomic for us. 17:57 jcamins When I decided to go with Harvest I had several projects that I billed in 6-minute increments which I switched between frequently, so I just needed something immediately. 18:29 tcohen oleonard, do we have a function to set the language in the cookie? 18:29 oleonard I don't know about that tcohen, sorry. 18:29 tcohen i've managed to set the language using URL parameters 18:30 tcohen but didn't find a proper way to make it persistent setting the cookies 18:30 jcamins tcohen: take a look at how opac-changelanguage.pl does it. 18:30 jcamins Lunch time! 18:32 rangi C4::Templates::setlanguagecookie 18:38 tcohen rangi, thanks, I saw it, but it does a redirect also, and I'm not sure how to have to cookie object at that level 18:41 jcamins tcohen: probably you could just tell it to redirect to the page you wanted to go to in the first place? 18:52 tcohen i'l think about it, maybe a no-redirectio version would be the best 18:54 tcohen jcamins, done 18:54 jcamins Yay! 19:19 tcohen is there something about koha design patterns on the wiki? 19:19 jcamins Not to my knowledge. 20:03 tcohen bye #koha, have a nice weekend every1 20:17 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Roseville Public Library Chooses ByWater Solutions’ Koha Support http://t.co/eV1Tp9JKOX #kohails" 20:18 oleonard jcamins: Bug 9663 says "Pushed" but I don't think it was 20:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9663 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Individual bibliographic record "Save" option requires export permission 20:19 jcamins Looks pushed to me. 20:21 jcamins Yup, commit 204a35f889b917c85dd8da716c67fe87657b5b98 20:21 oleonard Okay, must be a problem on my branch. Thanks for checking 20:28 oleonard I don't understand where we are with Bug 9456 20:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9456 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Failed QA , Add callnumber column to the cart 20:28 jcamins I objected to the fact that before the patch I could figure out what library an item was at, and after the patch I could not. 20:28 oleonard My patch is passed QA, but so is a patch that undoes the changes my patch made? 20:30 jcamins I think the follow-up was supposed to eliminate the table, which we're trying to avoid using for layout? 20:30 jcamins That was what I got out of the discussion. 20:30 jcamins I had understood that the appearance was the same both with and without the follow-up. 20:30 jcamins I did not check. 20:31 jcamins If the original patch adds something useful and leaves the screen readable, I could push it. 20:32 jcamins I did not look at the two patches separately. 20:32 jcamins I mean, I reviewed the code for both patches, but not the result. 20:32 jcamins Or started reviewing before I realized that I wasn't going to push it no matter what. 20:34 oleonard Unfortunately looking at it now I think git's auto-merge breaks the table-sorting in my patch 20:34 jcamins Ah. 21:08 oleonard I've attached a rebased patch to 9456, FWIW. khall and I differ about the best way to approach it. 21:09 jcamins I am going to go with whichever patch results in improvements we can use without causing any regressions. 21:16 oleonard Have a good weekend #koha 21:23 cait aaaw 21:24 * cait wonders who is to blame for the motd 21:24 jcamins Happy birthday! 21:24 * jcamins throws confetti. 21:27 cait hm it's too early jcamins :) 21:28 cait only 22:25 here :) but I appreaciate the thought :) 21:28 jcamins Oh. 21:38 cait well... becasue you are not in nz 21:39 cait timzones are confusing 21:39 jcamins They are. 21:39 * cait nods 21:43 cjh #koha birthday party for cait \o/ 21:44 cait lol 21:44 cait :) 21:44 cait I decided to change the versioning with this birthday.... it will be "katrin release cookie dough icecream" maybe 21:44 jcamins Hehe. 21:44 jcamins I like this idea. 21:52 Jlozano I got the server installed a couple of days ago, deleted the sample libraries, added some patrons... life is good. I'm not gonna push it until next week 21:53 jcamins Excellent! 21:53 jcamins What kind of library do you have? 21:53 cait and which vresion did you install? :) 21:53 jcamins That's also a good question. 21:53 Jlozano well, we have Sirsi Dynex and I'm exploring how we can get from under that bill. 21:53 Jlozano it's our university library. 21:54 Jlozano about 80K items. 21:54 cait oh, where are you located? :) 21:54 Jlozano Charlotte, NC Queens University of Charlotte. 21:54 Jlozano Installed v 3.8 21:54 Jlozano tried 3.10 but wouln't install. 21:54 cait and I was wondering about the koha version because there is sometimes some confusion about the different versions - so best to make sure you get it right :) 21:55 Jlozano something about pearl, blah, blah, blah. 21:56 jcamins Really? Hm. It should install smoothly. 21:56 Jlozano I have two instances, I have one on Amazon AWS and I bought a Linode server for the month. 21:56 rangi did you use the packages or the tarball? 21:56 Jlozano pkgs. 21:56 Jlozano followed the "Koha in 11 mins" youtube video. 21:56 rangi never heard of that 21:57 jcamins Nor have I. 21:57 Jlozano yeah, youtube, a dude at AppState university did it. 21:57 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.x_on_Debian_Squeeze 21:57 Jlozano http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRbyePlN-QY 21:57 jcamins I guess someone should probably watch it, confirm that it's correct. 21:58 Jlozano It got me up and running. 21:58 cait my internet connection si not stable enough... 21:58 * jcamins isn't at home. 21:58 rangi if it follows that wiki page, it will be ok 21:59 jcamins I guess the fact that Jlozano didn't have any problems suggests that it does. 21:59 Jlozano It does, however it does begin on how go get the server, and devian version ETC. 21:59 Jlozano and shows you how you can essentially get a free server for a year on AWS Amazon. 22:00 jcamins Most people who try to follow a set of instructions that aren't the same as the recommended ones end up on #koha asking for help unbreaking their installation. :) 22:00 Jlozano 750 hrs a month anyway, which is convenient, because that's how many hours there are in a month. 22:00 jcamins Hehe. 22:00 rangi hmm 3.10.03 installed ok just now for me .. if you get a chance to try again sometime if you could document exactly the error you get that would be good 22:00 Jlozano yeah, when I do a production run on it, I will, right now it's just research on the system. 22:00 Jlozano I haven't even tried to put in a volume. 22:01 cait 38 has not the same feature set as 3.10 :) 22:01 cait koha is moving quite fast between versions 22:01 Jlozano The basic error was that it didn't get past dependency check pearl not installed and nothing happened. 22:01 * jcamins would guess it was the dependency on digest-jhash, which we removed from the dependency list since it didn't play nicely with multiarch systems. 22:03 Jlozano how long ago? I wonder if I should try again. 22:03 Jlozano What would you say it's the main reason to be on .10 v .8? 22:04 jcamins Um, it was removed yesterday. 22:05 cait many people still run older versions - but maybe take a look at rlease notes sometime 22:05 jcamins I use 3.6.x in production. 22:05 cait yep we do that too 22:05 jcamins We've been talking about upgrading to 3.8.x. 22:05 jcamins But I keep on getting gun-shy when it's time to pull the trigger. 22:05 cait but if you plan a migration it#s most often a longer timeframe I was thinking 22:07 Jlozano well, I might be image and install 3.10 if that dependency thing is not a problem anymore. 22:07 Jlozano * reimage I mean. 22:08 Jlozano To be honest I just have to get my marc records in a row first tho. 22:08 jcamins cait: true. 22:08 drojf good evening #koha 22:09 drojf cait: it is still an hour in our timezone, right? (topic) 22:09 cait yep 22:09 cait :) 22:09 drojf ok :) 22:09 cait :) 22:10 Jlozano Anybody ever talk to anyone from bywater? are the ever on here? 22:11 drojf which anyone would you like? ;) 22:11 jcamins bag: around? 22:11 cait Jlozano: they are around quite a bit 22:11 cait melia: around? 22:11 jcamins NateC: around? 22:11 melia yep I'm here 22:12 jcamins ^^ there you go. Someone from ByWater. 22:12 NateC Im hea 22:12 jcamins ^^ and another 22:12 cait and another one 22:12 drojf heh 22:12 NateC jlozano: we are always here :) 22:13 bag hey 22:13 Jlozano ah, nice! 22:14 jcamins (bag = Brendan Gallagher, NateC = Nate Curulla, and melia = Melia Meggs) 22:14 NateC jlozano: you have the two owners and the COO at your service! 22:15 Jlozano I think I talked with someone from there but it was some time ago. 22:15 Jlozano wow. 22:15 Jlozano You guys are the real deal I guess. 22:16 NateC heh 22:16 drojf only important people on #koha. important people and me. 22:16 rangi heh 22:16 drojf i. myself. whatever. late 22:17 jcamins drojf: "me" was okay there. "I" is considered to sound overly stuffy. 22:17 cait lol 22:17 * cait hands drojf cookies 22:17 cait now exactly how you feel 22:17 drojf cookies \o/ 22:17 cait know 22:17 cait ... 22:17 drojf lol 22:18 jcamins Jlozano: you'll find that the denizens of #koha include some rather impressive individuals. rangi was the original author of the first version of Koha, and cait is the Quality Assurance Manager for the project. 22:19 cait um. 22:19 * cait goes into hiding 22:19 rangi and jcamins is the 3.12 release manager 22:19 Jlozano wow, it's nice to know everyone is still involved. So many people bail on projects. 22:20 jcamins I have a puzzle for you: who files "De Bie" under *B*? 22:20 cait hm 22:20 jcamins ("De Bie" being a last name) 22:20 cait if it was afrench lastname it would be correct 22:20 Jlozano oh, that would be me. 22:20 cait but i have no idea what it is 22:21 jcamins Jlozano: hehe. 22:21 cait at least it would be in rak 22:21 cait Jlozano: koha is quite international too :) 22:21 cait so almost always someone is here.. except for weekends 22:21 cait then it's a bit more quiet and I have to talk to myself most of the time 22:22 melia ha! 22:22 jcamins cait: it's possible he's German. 22:22 jcamins De Bie, that is. 22:22 Jlozano that's awesome! 22:22 jcamins However, he is definitely "De Bie" not "de Bie." 22:22 Jlozano Hey anybody know a free dewey generator? 22:22 cait De Bie doens't look german to me, drojf? 22:23 jcamins cait: no, not at all German. 22:23 jcamins Hence the reason I think that "de" is probably not an article that can be stuck at the end. 22:23 jcamins (that is, he was German, the name is not) 22:24 cait well 22:24 cait it would be french 22:24 rangi Jlozano: i think the copyright (or is it patent) on dewey would stop that 22:24 cait not german for the article I think 22:24 jcamins Really? That's definitely not the way it works in AACR2. 22:24 rangi trademark 22:24 jcamins You go based on where people would actually look for a person. 22:24 cait i mean de something is more a french last name than a german one 22:25 rangi gah oclc you clowns 22:25 rangi http://www.oclc.org/news/releases/20031124.htm 22:25 cait jcamins: I forgot the exact rle for that... and they changed some stuff for gnd I guess 22:26 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Roseville Public Library Chooses ByWater Solutions’ Koha Support http://t.co/2hB3aD7mRv" 22:26 jcamins cait: anyway, my point is, De Bie should be filed under D with all his relatives. 22:26 jcamins (Debie) 22:27 jcamins Jlozano: as you may have gathered, I am also a cataloger, and right now I am using my least favorite bibliography ever. 22:27 drojf looks dutch to me 22:27 drojf de bie i mean 22:27 jcamins drojf: that may be. But if his son (brother? nephew?) is filed under "Debie," he should be too. 22:28 rangi what does viaf say 22:28 Jlozano jcamins: hate that stuff. 22:28 jcamins rangi: it agrees with me. 22:28 Jlozano ok, all, nice to meet everyone, but it's way past 5 on a friday... see you all later. 22:28 cait Jlozano: what I wanted to say earlier - jcamins is in new york, drojf and me are from germany and rangi is nz :) 22:29 Jlozano ahhh. internationall indeed. 22:29 jcamins Ooh, you're right, cait. DNB does it wrong! 22:29 rangi its 11.26 am on saturday actually 22:29 rangi ;) 22:29 cait nooo 22:29 cait 23:26 on friday 22:29 jcamins I have to agree with Jlozano. 22:31 rangi we should use more marc 22:31 wahanui http://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/01-how-about-no-bear.jpg?w=800 22:31 * rangi giggles 22:31 jcamins Hehe. 22:31 Jlozano lol, well, it's past 1700 EST! gotta go! 22:32 Jlozano later 22:33 jcamins Heh. 22:33 jcamins Guess everyone noticed the time. 22:43 bag @wunder 93102 22:43 huginn bag: The current temperature in Westside, Santa Barbara, California is 29.2°C (2:39 PM PST on March 01, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 10%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023 hPa (Falling). 22:43 bag 29!!! it's stinking hot outside 22:44 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 22:44 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 2.5°C (11:13 PM CET on March 01, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). 22:44 drojf it's all yours if you want it 22:45 rangi 29 is pretty warm for march isnt it? 22:47 jcamins @wunder lubbock, tx 22:47 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in WT_Meso Lubbock 3W, Lubbock, Texas is 11.7°C (4:30 PM CST on March 01, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 22%. Dew Point: -9.0°C. Pressure: 30.25 in 1024 hPa (Rising). 22:47 bag well not crazy - May June and July is colder for us 22:48 bag We have june gloom that whole time - just cloud cover 22:48 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentia 22:48 huginn tcohen: Error: No such location could be found. 22:48 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina 22:48 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 32.0°C (7:00 PM ART on March 01, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Falling). 22:49 jcamins @wunder riyadh, saudi arabia 22:49 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in King Khaled, Saudi Arabia is 21.0°C (1:00 AM AST on March 02, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 27%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 22:49 jcamins @wunder dubai, uae 22:49 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Dubai, UAE is 22.0°C (2:00 AM GST on March 02, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Falling). 22:49 bag @wunder death valley national park ca 22:49 huginn bag: The current temperature in RAWS HUNTER MOUNTAIN CA US, Keeler, California is 15.0°C (2:23 PM PST on March 01, 2013). Conditions: . Humidity: 16%. Dew Point: -11.0°C. Pressure: 30.69 in 1039.2 hPa. 22:49 bag HA 22:49 bag @wunder baker ca 22:49 huginn bag: The current temperature in Daggett-Barstow, California is 23.0°C (1:50 PM PST on March 01, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 11%. Dew Point: -10.0°C. Pressure: 30.29 in 1026 hPa (Falling). 22:52 cait @wunder dortmund 22:52 huginn cait: The current temperature in Stadtkrone Ost, Dortmund, Germany is 1.6°C (11:40 PM CET on March 01, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady). 22:53 bag rangi I'm thinking of taking Ginny pie to a baseball game tomorrow 22:53 bag I've got a full mets jersey/onsesie to dress her in :P 22:54 rangi ohh awesome 22:54 cait :) 22:55 bag yeah first time for everything right (HA :P ) 22:55 bag I vote that jcamins hosts a kohacon or maybe a NY hackfest - so we can go to a mets game (but then also guessing jcamins isn't a baseball fan) 23:02 jcamins I enjoyed minor league games. 23:02 jcamins Major league I found incredibly dull. 23:02 bag ahhh jcamins my opinion of you just increased 100 fold! 23:02 bag jcamins++ 23:02 bag (and in no way was I saying it was bad - just saying it's much better now :) ) 23:02 jcamins :) 23:02 rangi ive only ever been to one game 23:02 rangi and that was at kohacon09 23:02 bag rangi knew way more about baseball than I ever knew about cricket (but that has changed) and knew why more than schuster and paul_p combined 23:02 cait lol 23:02 cait wish i had been there :) 23:02 rangi oleonard was there too 23:02 drojf i'm not going to say that i have no idea how these things work 23:02 cait drojf: more cookies? 23:02 tcohen is baseball watching enjoyable? 23:02 tcohen (i'm asking just because I don't even understand the rules) 23:02 jcamins tcohen: I found the minor league enjoyable. 23:03 jcamins Things actually happen. 23:03 jcamins Well, sort of. 23:03 drojf HAPPY CET BIRTHDAY cait!! :) 23:03 bgkriegel cait: Happy birthday!! :) 23:03 cait CET? :) 23:03 cait thank you drojf and bgkriegel :) 23:03 cait ah a timezone thingy 23:03 tcohen hey cait, please tell kf "happy birtdhay" 23:03 drojf central european time. isn't that what we live in? :) 23:03 bag if you go with some that point out some of the finer (strategy points) it's really good. but otherwise it does seem like a lot of standing around 23:04 cait heh I will tcohen :) 23:04 bag it's really interesting to watch the small little things that happen on each pitch (it's a mind game more than crazy endurance) 23:04 bag happy birthday cait! 23:05 tcohen bag: i'll give it a try some day 23:05 cait thx bag 23:05 * cait gets out the birthday cake 23:08 drojf cake \o/ 23:13 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5kUPIbINbE 23:15 tcohen oh, i've always thought of cricket as something reminiscent to golf 23:16 tcohen now I know crocket and cricket are not the same thing 23:16 tcohen hehehe 23:16 drojf lol 23:17 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEwCaxx1OJo 23:18 rangi on any given week there are around 55,000 games of cricket played in india :) 23:20 tcohen interesting sport 23:26 drojf interesting 23:26 wahanui well, interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 23:26 drojf :) 23:33 cait good night all :) 23:33 drojf good night cait