Time Nick Message 00:51 eythian wahanui: kangaroos are the original hopsters 00:51 wahanui OK, eythian. 00:51 wizzyrea hehehehe 00:51 wizzyrea http://www.moneyandshit.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/hipster_kangaroo.jpg 00:56 rangi Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel - 80 !!! 00:57 bgkriegel :) 00:57 wizzyrea awesome :D 00:57 wizzyrea are you seriously on holiday? 00:57 bgkriegel not now 00:58 wizzyrea hehe oh, even more impressive :) 00:58 bgkriegel i'm working now 00:58 bgkriegel but, i'm become addicted :) 00:58 wizzyrea hehe it'll do that 01:03 rangi hehe 01:04 bgkriegel but there are so many bugs waiting (sign and QA) 01:04 wizzyrea yep 01:07 bgkriegel I try to do as much as possible now, classes start next week and will not have much time 01:07 bgkriegel only at night 01:12 rangi danielg++ # another great newsletter 01:13 rangi bgkriegel++ # the most sign offs in one month of any person ever 01:13 eythian mtj: you about? 01:13 wizzyrea ah yea bgkriegel 01:13 eythian jcamins: also you? 01:13 wizzyrea bgkriegel++ 01:13 mtj eythian, yo 01:14 eythian mtj: can you send me your GPG fingerprint? 01:14 mtj yep, will do 01:15 eythian ta 01:17 mtj eythian, will email you later this arvo 01:17 eythian mtj: I just need the fingerprint 01:17 eythian not the whole key 01:17 mtj ok, gotcha 01:18 mtj just in the middle of something now.. :/ 01:20 eythian ok 01:22 mtj wow, bgkriegel++ indeed 01:26 ow1n Anyone up for a non-Koha-related git question? I'm trying to clone a git repo I have set up on a remote server and it fails every time 01:26 wizzyrea shoot :) 01:26 rangi whats the error it gives you? 01:26 pastebot "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "git clone error" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/409 01:27 rangi you cloning over http, or git protocol? 01:27 oleonard ssh 01:28 rangi hmm 01:28 wizzyrea what's the command you're running? 01:28 rangi i havent seen that error before it looks like some kinda network issue 01:28 mtj git-gc is the fsck tool for git, yeah? 01:28 mtj http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-gc.html 01:29 rangi no its the garbage cleaner mtj 01:29 oleonard git clone username@example.com:/path/to/my/repo/.git 01:29 rangi hmm that looks ok 01:29 cjh mtj: if you want the fsck tool for git, then git-fsck? 01:29 mtj heh, sorry 01:30 mtj um, yeah.. thats what i meant 01:30 oleonard I've never had trouble cloning the Koha repo on this network (at home), so I didn't expect to have problems 01:30 rangi right .. yeah i dunno what is up with that im afraid :( 01:30 mtj ah, ok its a repo from kc.org.. 01:30 oleonard Well, you're the smartest guys I know so I figured I'd ask :) 01:30 gmcharlt mtj: which repo? 01:31 mtj gmcharlt, not sure 01:31 oleonard My problem is with a non-Koha repo, just to be clear 01:31 mtj ok ok 01:31 wizzyrea ssh://username@example.com:/path/to/my/repo/.git maybe? 01:31 rangi oleonard: ssh to the box works fine eh? 01:32 eythian or git://username@example... 01:32 cjh you need to specify ssh afaik 01:32 oleonard rangi, yeah 01:32 cjh oops beaten to it. 01:32 rangi yeah try ssh:// 01:32 wizzyrea or git+ssh://username@ 01:32 cjh ie git+ssh://username@where.foo:/path/to/somewhere/repo.git 01:32 mtj my crazy 2 cents… ive have horribly borked git repos, that *only* been able to fix, by cloning them 01:32 wizzyrea HA beat you :) 01:33 cjh wizzyrea: stop stealing my comments :( 01:33 * wizzyrea laughs evilly 01:33 cjh wizzyrea++ # defeated 01:33 * gmcharlt checks this is still #koha, right not #thunderdome ? 01:33 gmcharlt ;) 01:33 wizzyrea lol :) 01:33 cjh gmcharlt: we had a vote while you were gone. 01:33 * wizzyrea wonders what or who is in #thunderdom 01:33 mtj … the leather tights won 01:33 wizzyrea thunderdome 01:34 * gmcharlt cracks his knuckles, then 01:34 wizzyrea are you getting ready to rumble? 01:35 * cjh wasnt alive when mad max came out. 01:35 * wizzyrea only just 01:35 ibeardslee /kick /kick 01:36 cjh heh 01:36 gmcharlt two bots enter! one bot leaves! two bots enter! one bot leaves! 01:37 ibeardslee there is a 4th being filmed 01:44 eythian @later tell jcamins please tell me your GPG fingerprint 01:44 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 01:44 * wizzyrea wonders if oleonard got his repo working 01:44 oleonard Nope 01:44 wizzyrea hm. 01:46 wizzyrea well, everything else I see is like "not enough memory on the remote server" 01:46 wizzyrea or "repo too large" 01:47 oleonard Not enough memory seems possible I guess. I know the repo isn't that big. 01:47 wizzyrea http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6842687/the-remote-end-hung-up-unexpectedly-while-git-cloning/6849424#6849424 01:48 oleonard Yeah, tried that one :) 01:49 * oleonard will try tomorrow at work 01:50 oleonard If it works at least I'll have a copy on this laptop 01:50 oleonard Later 01:50 wizzyrea later 01:50 wizzyrea aw 01:55 dcook Whoa, I haven't seen oleonard here in ages. 01:56 wizzyrea he's only on during the american day 01:56 wizzyrea but every day! 01:56 wahanui every day is a koha hackfest here at Catalyst :D or a good day to talk about food 01:56 cjh dcook: don't blink. 02:25 wizzyrea be kf 02:25 wizzyrea hm. 02:26 cjh be wizzyrea 02:26 wahanui do you like my aspirational, irritatingly American, optimism? 02:26 cjh :) 02:26 wizzyrea eythian's is my favorite. 03:04 rangi https://twitter.com/WineSentience/status/306951078774181888/photo/1 03:05 cjh :o :o :o 03:05 wizzyrea :O dolphins in oriental bay!? 03:05 cjh koha team trip to the beach \o/ 03:05 * wizzyrea has sunscreen 03:05 * cjh has legs 03:05 ibeardslee https://twitter.com/arwenamin/status/306962082367172608 03:05 rangi i dunno how long ago that was, its quite likely they ahve all gone 03:06 rangi or yeah dickheads in boats scared them off 03:06 wizzyrea aw 03:09 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8-1F-CokXNU#! here watch this instead have to have sound tho 03:09 * cjh braces for cute 03:11 wizzyrea that's like a kitten with a mirror. 03:11 wizzyrea which if you have never had the pleasure of, is quite funny 03:18 ibeardslee my cat just hisses at her reflections in doors and windows 03:18 ibeardslee .. which in a sad way is quite funny 03:19 cjh my cockatiel finds his own reflection scary or attractive, depending on the time/mood. 03:19 wizzyrea you have a cockatiel? 03:20 cjh yeap 03:20 wizzyrea neat 03:23 cjh I dont think I have any pictures of him on my pc though :( 03:38 jcamins eythian: EE155EAD 03:38 eythian jcamins: that's not the fingerprint :) 03:38 jcamins eythian: oh, what is that? 03:38 wahanui i guess that is in march? 03:38 eythian that's the key id 03:39 jcamins Okay. 03:39 jcamins What's the fingerprint? 03:39 eythian It's a long string that can't be generated predictably, unlike the key id 03:40 jcamins How would I find it? 03:40 eythian gpg --fingerprint 03:45 eythian jcamins: OK, useful things in your email 03:48 jcamins Got 'em. 03:51 jcamins Ummm... how do I import it? 03:51 eythian jcamins: gpg --import 03:52 jcamins That's what I thought. It doesn't think the decrypted file is valid. 03:52 eythian is the decrypted file valid? 03:53 eythian it should have text you can read in it 03:53 jcamins It has your message and a public key and a private key. 03:53 eythian yeah, so you should be able to paste them into gpg --import 03:53 eythian or save it and run it over them, or whatever 03:54 jcamins Okay, so it's just the keys that I should be importing. 03:54 eythian yeah 03:54 jcamins I figured it was a special format. 03:55 eythian no, just plan ASCII armored GPG 03:57 dcook @karma ByWaterSolutions 03:57 huginn dcook: ByWaterSolutions has neutral karma. 03:58 dcook Hmm, any way to list options? :p 03:58 dcook http://bywatersolutions.com/2012/04/13/putting-item-information-into-notices/ <-- handy info! 03:58 jcamins Hmmm... 03:59 wizzyrea yea, that only works in the overdues. it's really annoying. 03:59 eythian @wunder nzwn 03:59 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 20.0°C (4:00 PM NZDT on February 28, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Falling). 03:59 jcamins List options? 04:00 dcook wizzyrea: According to the people commenting, they were able to use it for their digests...so must be for item dues or predues as well 04:00 wizzyrea having just spent some time in the predues, I find it very highly unlikely. 04:00 dcook :( 04:01 wizzyrea but items.content will take whatever fields you give it 04:01 wizzyrea in the cron. 04:01 dcook Doesn't overdues require that as well? 04:02 wizzyrea overdues can use either format 04:02 wizzyrea not the digests though 04:02 dcook I think we might be talking about different things 04:02 dcook I was referring to items.content. Not the item tags. 04:02 wizzyrea oh - yes, sorry I thought you were referring to the <<item>> tags 04:03 * wizzyrea just submitted a patch to fix the documentation of items.content in the cron job 04:03 wizzyrea and fix the date-due vs issuedate 04:03 dcook A little while ago, I wanted to use a advanced notice digest with <<items.content>>, but I think you said that it probably wouldn't work. I hadn't looked yet, as it wasn't quite a priority.. 04:03 dcook wizzyrea++ 04:03 wizzyrea "just" = recently 04:04 wizzyrea i haven't chased it up - I thought it got in. 04:04 jcamins Facebook-- 04:04 wizzyrea anyway 04:04 wizzyrea I have to go get my kiddo 04:04 wizzyrea later 04:04 dcook later wizzyrea 04:04 dcook Specifically or generally, jcamins? 04:04 druthb o/ 04:05 bag heya druthb 04:06 jcamins dcook: specifically. I just got my nightly alerts informing me that Facebook is taking a special interest in my servers. 04:06 druthb Hi, bag. 04:08 dcook O_o 04:09 bag ok time to go read a book! the real fun begins!!! w00t 04:09 dcook Time...read...book? 04:09 dcook Actually, I totes read a book during lunch today. It was fantastic. 04:09 bag HA - well I've got about 20 pages left in one and then I'll start another one or read a magazine :P 04:10 dcook Fun times :D 04:10 dcook jcamins: That sounds...menacing 04:11 jcamins Ha! 04:11 jcamins Got it! 04:31 * jcamins goes to sleep, having conquered GPG. 04:32 eythian later 04:32 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Koha Community Newsletter: February 2013 http://t.co/uksHWuiYqI" 04:33 dcook night, jcamins 05:45 dcook Hmm, only 18 minutes of work left, but hungry. Not worth it to open up the crackers and hummus. Or is it... 06:17 dcook hey cait :) 06:17 dcook and barriers and bigbrovar :D 06:17 cait hey dcook 06:17 bigbrovar dcook: Hi 06:24 dcook End of the day! Ta, tout le monde 06:47 rangi gah 06:48 cait hm? 06:50 rangi google docs 06:53 * rangi makes a wiki page before we force everyone to have a google login 06:55 cait google docs for? 06:56 rangi check the devel list 06:57 cait he mailed the list yesterday with an error he had trying 06:57 cait I think 06:57 cait mirko answered to that 06:58 rangi yep, so did galen 06:58 cait ah ok :) 07:12 * magnuse waves 07:20 magnuse danielg++ for the newsletter 07:20 magnuse @seen danielg 07:20 huginn magnuse: danielg was last seen in #koha 2 years, 15 weeks, 2 days, 12 hours, 47 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <danielg> lucky you! i'm in day 11. longest cold i've ever had 07:21 * magnuse hopes he is better now 07:27 * cait waves at magnuse 07:28 * magnuse waves at cait 07:30 reiveune hello 07:30 wahanui privet, reiveune 07:32 magnuse bonjour reiveune 07:32 magnuse @wunder boo 07:32 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 3.0°C (8:20 AM CET on February 28, 2013). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.39 in 995 hPa (Steady). 07:32 magnuse @wunder konstanz 07:32 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 1.4°C (8:20 AM CET on February 28, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). 07:32 magnuse @wunder marseille 07:32 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 1.0°C (8:00 AM CET on February 28, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Rising). 07:32 reiveune salut magnuse 07:32 magnuse hah! ;-) 07:47 cait bbl :) 09:00 christophe_c hi #koha 09:04 christophe_c hello magnuse 09:05 magnuse bonjour christophe_c! 09:05 christophe_c in fact, you have only the train option at this time for your arival march 17th 09:07 christophe_c you have a train 18h55=>21h32 or 19h04=>21h41 20h04=>22h49 09:08 christophe_c and a bus n°99 from T1 to the train station 09:11 magnuse ooh, thanks for doing the research christophe_c++ 09:11 christophe_c np magnuse ;-) 09:12 magnuse i'll bring an extra bag of easter marzipan just for you, if you like :-) 09:25 christophe_c wahou magnuse ;-) cool 09:27 magnuse :-) 09:29 magnuse wb kf 09:30 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @twistedwillow: "Today, working on session for @MHFAEngland training thing, and looking at our @kohails set up.fun fun. Just must try not to get distracted." 09:33 kf thx :) 09:34 drojf good morning #koha 09:42 kf morning drojf 09:44 drojf hi kf 09:46 magnuse moin drojf 09:46 drojf hei magnuse 10:02 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @pierrevdk: "Working on the translation of the #Kohails Community February Newsletter in French. Stay tuned." 10:28 kf hm ping Joubu 11:00 kf gaetan_B: around? 11:05 gaetan_B hallo kf :) i'm here but in a meeting ;) 11:46 Joubu hello #koha ! 11:48 Joubu pong kf, sorry I never think to come here every morning :-/ 11:49 drojf Joubu: the trick is to never log out ;) 11:51 Joubu drojf: yep, I will try to install irssi on a server 11:51 drojf :) 11:52 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 11:52 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 5.7°C (12:43 PM CET on February 28, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: -0.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Falling). 11:53 magnuse Joubu: bip is pretty useful too :-) 11:53 drojf it is light (!) grey here. i would even describe my state as "awake" \o/ 11:54 kf Joubu: I was looking at the fines bug - but I think I misunderstood and it's all ok 11:54 kf Joubu: I just really want to get rid of those log files 11:55 Joubu magnuse: ho yes, looks cool 11:57 Joubu kf: wep but if you call the script with -o, nothing append. A little change could fix the issue 13:01 kf Joubu: hope rangi has time to take a look :) 13:15 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Styling the “Quote of the Day†in Koha 3.10 http://t.co/ICA51VnZpr #kohails" 13:26 tcohen late morning #koha 13:47 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @pierrevdk: "Ça y est, la newsletter communautaire de #Kohails en français est dispo sur Koha-fr - http://t.co/pIy1KZNqay" 14:03 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Newsletter communautaire de Koha de Février 2013 http://t.co/12MTnyPEtq" 14:03 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Styling the “Quote of the Day†in Koha 3.10 http://t.co/oorPi8vrag" 14:11 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @BibLibre: "La Newsletter Communautaire de #Kohails du mois de Février - http://t.co/3NikG1p8Zj" 14:27 tcohen jcamins, is there a bug for the changelanguage thing that arised yesterday? 14:35 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @pierrevdk: "Ça y est, la newsletter communautaire de #Kohails en français est dispo sur Koha-fr - http://t.co/M5q6xsnQtI" 14:43 tcohen kf: which was the but related to changelanguage.pl? 14:43 tcohen (a.k.a. "redirections") 15:02 kf tcohen: hm look in the logs? 15:02 kf irc logs? 15:02 wahanui irc logs are http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ 15:02 kf there :) 15:02 tcohen didn't know it, thanks kf 15:02 kf if you look at yesterday the link shoudl be there 15:02 kf np 15:03 kf only have not time to search right now 15:15 tcohen kf: could we re-open that bug or should I fill a new one? 15:15 kf i think jcamins would say : file a new one:) 15:15 kf because it's already been pushed 15:16 kf it will work better for the autogenerated release notes and to see the actual status 15:16 jcamins Filea new one. 15:16 kf jcamins: :P 15:16 jcamins *file a 15:16 jcamins I didn't read the question yet, but a new bug is the way to go. 15:16 tcohen so the benevolent dictator arised 15:16 kf heh 15:16 kf tcohen: I think it's really better here - the other bug does wht it was supposed to do, but it only works for the start page 15:17 kf so it could work better = enh on a separate bug 15:17 tcohen its to issues actually 15:17 jcamins Actually, the bug is that we have changelanguage.pl at all. 15:17 tcohen - the redirection bug 15:17 jcamins Everything should use opac-changelanguage.pl 15:17 tcohen - che changelanguage.pl vs opac-language.pl 15:18 tcohen - the feature was not implemented (force a language by passing it as a parameter, it only works for the changelanguage.pl page! ) 15:19 tcohen when someone (some Katrin Fischer) asked for the enh she said we should be able to bypass cookies and browser detection ON THE OPAC 15:19 tcohen not a specific page if i'm not wrong 15:19 jcamins Hm. 15:19 jcamins Right, so, first thing is a new bug eliminating changelanguage.pl, and second thing is reopening that bug. 15:19 jcamins And fixing it. 15:20 tcohen ok 15:20 tcohen i'll have to split my patch :-P 15:27 kf tcohen: this Katrin Fischer is me btw ;) 15:28 kf the library wanted to offer a link on the home page that woudl bring you to the start page of the opac - in english or german according to the link - the patch made that possible 15:28 tcohen of course :-P (i actually thought it was that cait one) 15:28 kf I still think it will get messy if we reopen and is probably better done on a separate bug 15:28 kf um... 15:28 tcohen i'll actually fill two different bugs 15:29 kf but I agree with dong it - it will be nice to have it working 15:29 kf tcohen: you know who is the cait one... right? 15:29 tcohen one fixing the expected behaviour (intead of 404, redirect to the opac URL if no refferal) 15:29 tcohen the other, implementing what you actually asked for 15:30 tcohen yes kf, i was just having fun! 15:31 kf oh ok 15:31 kf and I am having a long day... 15:31 * kf goes back to work 15:32 slef @seen khall 15:32 huginn slef: khall was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 5 days, 19 hours, 16 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <khall> np! 15:33 slef hi all 15:33 khall what's up? 15:33 slef khall: just rebasing bug 9296, wondered if you were around. 15:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9296 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, Patch doesn't apply , overduerules table needs restructuring to allow future extension 15:33 khall excellent! 15:34 khall also, wow, I don't say very much very often, do I? 15:34 jcamins @seen kyleh 15:34 huginn jcamins: kyleh was last seen in #koha 33 weeks, 3 days, 2 hours, 21 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: * kyleh follows the debian.install guide in git to create the koha virtual appliances 15:34 jcamins Huh. 15:34 jcamins @seen kyle_h 15:34 huginn jcamins: I have not seen kyle_h. 15:36 * khall is more of a lurker 15:41 slef String::Random is marked as optional, but C4::Members requires it. How is that optional? 15:41 slef @query String::Random 15:41 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8840 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , ubuntu-pkg-check.sh fix and extend functionality 15:41 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9315 trivial, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , Bad version of String::Random reported by koha_perl_deps.pl 15:42 jcamins slef: it's not optional. 15:42 jcamins I didn't think it was marked optional, but if it is, it shouldn't be. 15:42 slef jcamins: koha_perl_deps.pl says it is 15:42 jcamins Patches are welcome. 15:43 slef let's see how long a trivial patch takes 15:43 jcamins I think... about forty-five seconds. 15:44 jcamins Ready... go! 15:44 slef don't I have to create it in bugzilla? 15:44 jcamins Oh, I thought you had. 15:44 slef I woudln't have @query if I had 15:44 * jcamins is currently reading a handwritten Russian art book from 1929, and only slightly paying attention. 15:45 rambutan http://www.buzzfeed.com/awesomer/the-best-places-to-be-if-you-love-books 15:45 slef first challenge - is it internals or installation? 15:45 jcamins Installation. 15:45 wahanui i heard installation was running a modified 3.6.x 15:46 slef so I was wrong, changing 15:46 slef Bug 9734 has been added to the database 15:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9734 normal, P2, ---, mjr, ASSIGNED , String::Random is marked as optional, but C4::Members requires it 15:47 slef Switched to a new branch 'for_upstream/bug_9734' 15:49 kf oh no oleonard 15:49 tcohen jcamins: on bug 7514 kf asked for a way to show "the OPAC" in a specific language, should I reopen or create a new one for "any OPAC page"? Looks like an enhancement 15:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7514 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, frederic, RESOLVED FIXED, Choose OPAC language with URL parameter 15:49 kf tcohen: do you have master right now? and a translation installed? 15:49 tcohen yes 15:49 slef git commit messages? 15:49 jcamins Probably a new bug that includes "Choose OPAC language in links to any page." 15:49 kf i wonder if it's missing the icons on the start page for you in non-english 15:49 slef commit messages? 15:49 wahanui Please follow the guidelines at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commit_messages when writing commit messages. 15:49 gaetan_B bye ! 15:49 kf if you could take a quick look that would be nice 15:50 kf bye gaetan_B 15:50 tcohen kf: icons? 15:50 wahanui icons are great if you use touchscreens, think of selfcheckouts e.g. 15:50 kf the module icons on the intranet start page 15:50 tcohen they r there 15:50 kf hmpf 15:50 kf thx :) 15:50 tcohen no p 15:51 tcohen thanks jcamins 15:54 slef Changes submitted for bug 9734 15:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9734 normal, P2, ---, mjr, Needs Signoff , String::Random is marked as optional, but C4::Members requires it 15:54 slef So, a one-line patch currently takes ten minutes :-/ 15:56 slef I humbly suggest we should look for how to shorten that. The two obvious-looking things to me are to shorten the long list of bugzilla components and simplify the commit message format. 15:56 tcohen bug 9735 15:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9735 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Choose OPAC language in links to any page 15:57 jcamins We tried shorter requirements for the commit messages. 15:58 jcamins We are approaching 300 patches that are waiting on someone other than the original developer's attention. 15:58 jcamins Based on that we can safely conclude that it is more important to reduce the amount of time required to test than it is to reduce the amount of time to write a patch. 15:59 magnuse jcamins++ 15:59 slef Well, the commit messages actually cause me two problems testing. Firstly, some seem to specify preconditions with no way to meet them without more work. Secondly, I'm unconvinced some test plans are sufficient. 16:00 jcamins Agreed. 16:00 jcamins Many test plans aren't good enough. 16:00 jcamins But any test plan is better than the none-at-all that most people provided prior to the new rules. 16:01 jcamins But your complaint would suggest _more_ stringent requirements for commit messages, not less. 16:02 slef I don't care as long as it's natural enough I'm not having to look up the flaming wiki every time I write one ;-) 16:02 slef as now when I'm travelling, I either have to tether and hope there's signal, or I go work on something more disconnected-friendly. 16:02 jcamins THEN DON'T LOOK IN THE WIKI. 16:02 jcamins I don't give a damn whether you use the same punctuation. 16:03 slef I don't like QA fails. 16:03 jcamins I care that you include the relevant information. 16:03 jcamins If you know what information is relevant, you can format it whatever way you like. 16:04 jcamins If you do not know what information is relevant, you should look in the wiki to check. 16:04 jcamins But if the issue here is the second, the problem is not overly prescriptive rules about commit messages. 16:09 jcamins Ooh, I like the unit test! 16:09 slef I just added that. 16:09 slef I probably should have written it first and put it in a patch first, so you could apply that on its own. 16:09 slef Test-Driven Development 16:09 wahanui Test-Driven Development is just easier. 16:09 slef wahanui: yes, it is. 16:09 wahanui slef: what? 16:10 slef wahanui: easier. 16:10 wahanui slef: i'm not following you... 16:10 slef wahanui: clearly 16:10 wahanui slef: sorry... 16:10 slef wahanui: that is OK 16:10 wahanui ...but that is in march?... 16:10 slef wahanui: no, that is in February 16:10 wahanui ...but that is in march?... 16:10 slef wahanui: you suck 16:10 wahanui slef: excuse me? 16:10 slef wahanui: you are excused 16:10 wahanui ...but wahanui is a bot|a repository of important and useful and accurate information or at least partially slow.|a little bit creepy.|right sometimes... 16:12 reiveune bye 16:13 tcohen does anyone have a pointer to the 'any' command semantics? 16:13 slef tcohen: is that what the computer runs when I press the any key? 16:13 tcohen heh 16:14 tcohen its some perl function 16:14 jcamins I'm not familiar with it. 16:14 tcohen any { $_ eq $lang } @languages 16:15 tcohen hm List::Moreutils 16:15 jcamins Looks like map? 16:15 slef yeah, map with an if 16:15 slef I'd expect it to return true if the code block returns true for any element in the array. 16:16 tcohen yeap, looks like map 16:24 slef Changes submitted for bug 9296 16:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9296 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, Needs Signoff , overduerules table needs restructuring to allow future extension 16:45 jcamins I love the notes in all the current name authorities saying "This heading can't be used in RDA until the record has been reviewed and/or updated." 16:46 jcamins Who exactly is supposed to have time to go back through millions of authority records to review and/or update them? 16:47 slef which authority is that in? 16:48 jcamins slef: http://id.loc.gov/authorities/names/no97040643.html though I have noticed it in almost every authority record I have looked at. 16:51 slef Changes submitted for bug 9326 16:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9326 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Patch doesn't apply , New database update system suggests running duplicate updates 16:57 slef what permission is needed to access mainpage? 16:57 * slef UTSLs 16:57 jcamins I think catalogue 16:57 slef catalogue 16:57 wahanui i think catalogue is only to view the catalogue 16:57 slef wahanui: forget catalogue 16:57 wahanui slef: I forgot catalogue 16:58 slef wahanui: catalogue is to view the catalogue or the mainpage 16:58 wahanui OK, slef. 16:58 slef jcamins++ 17:05 slef Changes submitted for bug 7018 17:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7018 critical, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Signed Off , need all acq permissions to search 17:06 slef ok, I added 2 Needs Signoffs and cleared 2 = I'm not making the signoff queue worse 17:07 slef Bug 9575 test plan is a bit involved :-/ 17:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9575 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Serious Holds Problem with IndependantBranches 17:08 slef Bug 9411 has no test plan. khall++ for asking for one. 17:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9411 major, P5 - low, ---, hugh, Needs Signoff , Multiple uses of javascript eval on ajax responses in acq.js 17:09 slef Changes submitted for bug 9322 17:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9322 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , If multiple transfers exist (from circ/branchtransfers.pl), completing one completes them all 17:15 slef Changes submitted for bug 9293 17:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9293 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , action_logs not tracking payments 18:04 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails New McNaughton order http://t.co/hTmHAlldxb" 18:36 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @27point7: "Est ce que les notes de version de koha 3.10.1, 3.10.2 et 3.10.3 sont traduites en français? #kohails #I18N" 18:58 slef @query all vendors 18:58 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8819 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , enter claim date manually 18:58 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7018 critical, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Signed Off , need all acq permissions to search 18:58 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8854 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Failed QA , invoice filters don't all work 18:58 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8740 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, Failed QA , Serials Claims should be exportable all at once 18:58 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5173 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, robin, Failed QA , Allow the discount to be editable 19:06 magnuse slef++ for being on a roll 19:08 slef how do we feel about using ~~ instead of == when one argument may be numeric or string? 19:09 slef someone suggested using -1 instead of "all" but I dislike numbers that have hidden meanings 19:09 slef wahanui: GBSD? 19:09 wahanui GBSD is Global Bug Squashing Day 19:09 slef wahanui: when is it? 19:09 wahanui i haven't a clue, slef 19:10 magnuse slef: guess there will be one during the hackfest in marseille... 19:10 magnuse but anyone is free to organize one at any time :-) 20:04 drojf i wonder if i should put my name in the wiki as bug wrangler for 3.14. given how little time i am able to put into my bug wrangler position for 3.12 at the moment i almost feel like i should do it again next round without that title 20:04 jcamins drojf: as long as you do it! 20:06 bag afternoon all :) 20:08 drojf [off] jcamins: depends on how nicely the "write your thesis" thing will work out :D at the moment its is the "do all the stuff that is missing to write your thesis" part, and that is rather painful. looking forward to doing just one thing at university and some koha 20:08 drojf good evening bag 20:09 bag :) 20:09 jcamins [off] Ah, theses. I haven't written one for my second Master's yet. I probably should. But it's not really a priority. 20:10 drojf [off] i would procrastinate it forever but they will enc magister artium completely in favour of bachelor/master so it's either now or never. and it is required to continue working the university koha job too 20:10 rangi back 20:10 drojf s/enc/end 20:11 drojf hi rangi 20:11 rambutan jcamins: surely you'll want to do it before it "times out"? 20:11 jcamins rambutan: yeah, but I have... 20:11 jcamins 5 years? 20:11 rambutan ic 20:12 rambutan I really want to go for my PhD @ UMKC, but can't get anybody to go with me. 20:12 drojf 5 years from now or alltogether? 20:13 * wizzyrea waves 20:13 jcamins drojf: 5 years from now. 20:13 rambutan wizzyrea: they say more snow on Monday 20:13 wizzyrea i heard that 20:13 wizzyrea madness. 20:13 wahanui i heard madness was manyfold - ask me for the second sign of madness. 20:13 jcamins second sign of madness? 20:13 wahanui i think second sign of madness is hairs on the palms of my hands 20:13 wizzyrea second sign of madness 20:13 wahanui second sign of madness is hairs on the palms of my hands 20:13 jcamins third sign of madness? 20:13 wahanui @quote get 123 is the third sign of madness 20:13 huginn wahanui: (quote get [<channel>] <id>) -- Gets the quote with id <id> from the quote database for <channel>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself. 20:14 rambutan hey, that's recursive madness 20:14 jcamins fourth sign of madness? 20:14 jcamins first sign of madness? 20:14 wahanui it has been said that first sign of madness is looking for hairs on the palms of my hands 20:14 rangi @wunder nzwn 20:15 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0°C (9:00 AM NZDT on March 01, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Rising). 20:15 drojf third sign of madness is forgetting about the third sign of madness 20:16 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 20:16 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 3.0°C (9:13 PM CET on February 28, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). 20:17 jcamins @wunder 11375 20:17 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Glendale, Glendale, New York is 9.1°C (3:14 PM EST on February 28, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.55 in 1000 hPa (Steady). 20:17 jcamins Yep. Pretty nice out. 20:26 bgkriegel @wunder cordoba, argentina 20:26 huginn bgkriegel: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 29.0°C (5:00 PM ART on February 28, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Falling). 20:26 bgkriegel a little hot 20:27 libsysguy @wunder 77346 20:27 huginn libsysguy: The current temperature in Kingwood Glen, Atascocita, Texas is 14.6°C (2:15 PM CST on February 28, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 10%. Dew Point: -17.0°C. Pressure: 30.20 in 1023 hPa (Falling). 20:27 libsysguy cnn 77346 20:28 libsysguy @cnn 77346 20:28 huginn libsysguy: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error 20:28 libsysguy @weather 77346 20:28 huginn libsysguy: The current temperature in Kingwood Glen, Atascocita, Texas is 14.6°C (2:15 PM CST on February 28, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 10%. Dew Point: -17.0°C. Pressure: 30.20 in 1023 hPa (Falling). 20:29 drojf bgkriegel: i could use "a little hot" for a day or tow 20:29 drojf two 20:29 bgkriegel :) 20:30 drojf i would trade "a little over zero" ;) 20:54 jcamins wizzyrea: what should I do with one avocado? 20:55 cjh make a BLAT. 20:55 jcamins Heh. That was my wife's suggestion too. 20:55 jcamins The only problem is that I only have an avocado and bread of the ingredients. 20:56 bag deep fry it!!! kidding.. wedge it with some lime on it and salt and pepper 20:56 bag jcamins: we have an avocado tree in our yard - and have about 50 too many to eat right now 20:56 jcamins Nice! 20:57 jcamins This is our last avocado. 20:57 wizzyrea well if I had one avocado 20:57 wizzyrea I would probably dice it and put it on a salad. 20:57 trea mash it on toast, with salt and pepper. mmm 20:57 wizzyrea mmm also a good one 20:58 bag yeah mashed on toast is awesome 20:58 wizzyrea or... make a corn fritter and put it on top of bacon with a little salsa 20:58 wizzyrea happens to be what I had for breakfast today :P 20:58 jcamins I have avocado salad dressing for my radish salad. 20:58 bag bacon! 20:58 jcamins If we had bacon, we'd be 33% closer to a BLAT. 20:59 wizzyrea what do you have 20:59 jcamins And, for that matter, if we had had lettuce for a regular salad we'd be another 33% closer. 20:59 wizzyrea besides avocado 20:59 jcamins Root vegetables. 20:59 wizzyrea hm. 20:59 jcamins Beets, carrots, rutabaga, sweet potato, regular potato, more sweet potato, even more sweet potato, another rutabaga... 20:59 wizzyrea http://www.gaylesbakery.com/about-us/recipe-box/roasted-root-vegetables/ 21:00 jcamins Hmm. 21:00 jcamins That's probably what I'll do. 21:00 wizzyrea i mean, basically that's "melting" the avocado to make a creamier dressing for the veggies 21:00 wizzyrea veges* 21:00 jcamins Once I get home I'll be feeling too lazy to do anything complex. 21:01 wizzyrea that looks not too complex - even I could manage making roots into pieces and tossing them into the oven. 21:01 jcamins Exactly. 21:01 wizzyrea hopefully they'd make it into a pan first. 21:01 jcamins That's why that's what I'll probably do. 21:01 jcamins lol 21:01 rangi http://vimeo.com/60724919 21:01 wizzyrea \o/ yay dolphins! 21:02 wizzyrea if we were a little closer to the harbor we would have been able to see them 21:02 wizzyrea or if all of those buildings weren't in the way 21:02 wizzyrea that's a fantastic vid 21:02 cjh awesome! 21:02 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, cjh 21:02 cjh drats. 21:03 wizzyrea but you know what awesome jar contributions get you? 21:03 wizzyrea more awesome. 21:03 cjh wahanui: ^^ arent you going to step in? 21:03 wahanui cjh: no idea 21:24 eythian hi 21:24 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Bug Statistics for February 2013 http://t.co/1IFRNoEvA4" 21:24 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ranginui: "Bug Statistics for February 2013 #kohails http://t.co/JfPBkCYLDa" 21:25 wizzyrea my nose is cold. 21:25 wizzyrea it's not monday - where is everybody?! 21:26 slef @quote get 123 21:26 huginn slef: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 21:26 wahanui http://xkcd.com/1172/ 21:27 slef wahanui? 21:27 wahanui slef? 21:27 slef wahanui: why did you say that? 21:27 wahanui i don't know, slef 21:27 slef wahanui: figures 21:27 wahanui I like *your* figure 21:27 slef wahanui: pervert 21:27 wahanui slef: sorry... 21:27 wizzyrea hehehehehe 21:28 slef so, using ~~ instead of ==, good/bad/evil? 21:28 wizzyrea ah interesting you can't add a list as the db user. 21:29 wizzyrea I shouldn't be surprised. 21:29 jcamins slef: I have no objection to it, so if it results in better code, go for it. 21:29 jcamins Unless it requires a high version of Perl. 21:30 slef jcamins: good question. 21:30 * slef looks it up 21:31 slef hrm, where to find manuals for old versions of perl? 21:32 jcamins I'm not sure... if you have Debian Squeeze, that'll be 5.10 which is the earliest version Koha supports. 21:32 * jcamins heads home. 21:32 slef man perl5100delta makes me think it's new in 5.10 21:33 slef http://perl5maven.com/smart-matching-in-perl-5.10 confirms that 21:35 eythian wahanui: kitten is http://robotfindskitten.org/play/robotfindskitten/ 21:35 wahanui OK, eythian. 21:35 slef not sure whether to just use eq but I don't remember if 1 eq 1 21:35 slef tested and it does 21:35 eythian it'll stringify them 21:35 slef not sure that's a problem 21:36 slef basically the operator was == but now one parameter may be string or numeric 21:36 slef so == causes a warn causes a Failed QA 21:36 eythian well, also if it may be a string, == will give wrong results 21:36 slef QA suggested using magic numbers like -1 instead of a string 21:37 slef but I don't like magic numbers because I forget which means what 21:37 eythian yeah 21:37 slef bbl 21:37 eythian You could assign constants to them 21:37 slef tips welcome 21:37 eythian them to constants rather 21:37 rangi smart match does some slightly odd things 21:37 rangi id prefer constants and/or eq 21:38 rangi i cant remember what schwern said about smart matching, but it made sense at the time :) eythian might remember 21:38 eythian I think ~~ would work fine in this case, looking at the table. But I'm a little wary of using it where it's not really necessary. 21:39 eythian I think just that it can sometimes have unexpected results. 21:39 eythian though tends to be smart. 21:41 * cjh doesnt yet trust smart match 21:43 eythian ohh, we have a spy in the catalyst network! 21:49 bag ha eythian did you kick that spy! looks like it 21:49 eythian And tip my hand so‽ 21:49 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6OEPE2DRYY 21:49 rangi its mashup friday 21:50 eythian good morning cait 21:50 rangi hi cait 21:51 cait oh hi :) 21:51 cait do you want something qa'd? 21:51 rangi heh 21:59 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZBuYbKgvQI 21:59 rangi someone elses turn next 22:00 wizzyrea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnhKPw2NXIw 22:01 bag call me maybe 22:01 bag kidding kidding 22:01 ibeardslee why the 'vs' it's not like they are fighting, it's like they are working together 22:01 rangi good point, i think it works quite well together ;) 22:01 wizzyrea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ure6I6mRyDc 22:01 wizzyrea bag - you asked for it. 22:03 wizzyrea ftr, that is the only context that I would ever, ever, ever listen to those two songs in. 22:04 wizzyrea (not the doors - the gotye one) 22:04 bag my neighbors just threw soda at my wall :P 22:04 wizzyrea they must love you 22:04 bag I'm rocking 22:05 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThU9BOWcmjM <-- crank that to really annoy the neighbours 22:06 drojf someone should make a song of that »Angry Scottish People Saying Real Words Maybe« that i saw linked at the last clip 22:07 ibeardslee of course today is the day for .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnhnggUCWcc 22:07 rangi oh yeah good call ibeardslee 22:11 cjh that is awesome. 22:12 ibeardslee This is the best resource I've found for the background on that speech .. http://publicaddress.net/great-new-zealand-argument/nuclear-weapons-are-morally-indefensible/ 22:13 ibeardslee actually s/for\ the\ background// 22:35 Dyrcona David_Lange++ 22:37 rangi bgkriegel++ 22:38 bgkriegel with your help :) 22:38 rangi :) 22:40 rangi Dyrcona: he certainly was one of our cooler prime ministers 22:40 Dyrcona Yes, I'm listening to the audio of his 1985 debate, now. 22:41 cjh I downloaded it for later :p 22:41 cjh sadly I had never heard of him :( 22:41 rangi you're too young 22:41 cjh I like that excuse. 22:42 Dyrcona I knew about New Zealand being a nuclear-free zone, but didn't know about how it came about. 22:42 ibeardslee piss poor excuse thouth 22:42 ibeardslee thought 22:42 ibeardslee though 22:42 cjh 3rd try lucky. 22:42 cjh Dyrcona: i'm in the same boat, except im a New Zealander so I *should* really know such things. 22:43 ibeardslee one of the things that I've found interesting in terms of education in NZ is that we don't cover a lot of our history 22:43 * Dyrcona wants to be a New Zealander. 22:43 rangi ibeardslee: very little in fact 22:43 ibeardslee at school in oz, I remember doing all sorts of things about people exploring the country 22:43 Dyrcona ibeardslee: The same is true in the U.S. It's more propaganda than anything approaching the truth. 22:44 cjh unless you do ncea history there is very little covered. A lot of the things we did cover had an international flavour. 22:44 rangi i learnt about the war of the roses and the jacobite rebellion 22:44 rangi ibeardslee: i bet they skipped all the 'and we slaughtered whole families of people here' bit :-) 22:44 wizzyrea yea, formal education is usually more about creating the mythology of a country in the mind of the populace, and less about actually knowing the facts. 22:45 ibeardslee ncea history is different, I'm talking about things like Burkes and Wills expeditions in primary school 22:45 cait hm 22:45 cait not sure that is true here 22:45 ibeardslee rangi: actually a lot of the aboriginal interaction/massacres were covered 22:45 wizzyrea i'll grant you it's a pretty jaded and cynical view. 22:46 rangi ibeardslee: sweet, your's must have been the first generation 22:46 eythian my history classes were a mix of local and international 22:47 eythian but mostly recent history (past 100 years ish) 22:47 rangi when i was at high school, they were still calling it 'the maori wars' .. umm hello they were fighting other people 22:47 ibeardslee rangi: dunno, it seemed that at LCA in ballarat I knew more about the Eureka stockade than some of the other aussies about. 22:47 rangi interesting .. .maybe lucked out on some good teachers/good school ? 22:47 ibeardslee maybe 22:48 * Dyrcona follows Mark Twain's motto: Never let your schooling interfere with your education. 22:48 rangi wanganui high school was certainly not a place of enlightenment i found :) 22:48 Dyrcona Neither was my high school. 23:00 dcook hola #koha 23:01 rangi hi dcook 23:02 cait hi dcook 23:02 dcook hi rangi and cait :) 23:16 dcook IE-- 23:16 dcook One trailing comma and the opac detail page busts for IE7. *eyeroll* 23:16 dcook Well, the layout busts :p 23:17 cait ie-- 23:17 cait @karma IE 23:17 huginn cait: Karma for "IE" has been increased 1 time and decreased 66 times for a total karma of -65. 23:17 dcook I'd love to know where the +1 came from :p 23:18 gmcharlt dcook: clearly a fan of the abbreviation for 'id est' 23:18 dcook hehe 23:20 bag hey gmcharlt thanks for those updates on 9511 (just checked one site with that problem and sure enough they don't have that code) 23:21 bag applied and cronned a reindex for late night :) 23:21 talljoy jcamin ping 23:21 talljoy jcamins ping 23:21 talljoy @seen jcamins 23:21 huginn talljoy: jcamins was last seen in #koha 1 hour, 49 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: * jcamins heads home. 23:21 talljoy c'est la vie 23:28 dcook Yay! Trailing comma already fixed in master :D 23:28 bag read that as coma ! 23:28 bag HA 23:29 dcook I had to double-check that I spelled it right as I was writing ;) 23:29 bag heh 23:30 gmcharlt no, that's what you get if you have to proofread all of the MARC frameworks by hand ;) 23:33 dcook O_O 23:33 dcook I updated a framework as a spreadsheet the other day (before rangi reassured me that using the web UI would be much better) and yeah...near coma :p 23:36 jcamins @later tell slef if ~~ was introduced in 5.10.0, I will happily push it to master. 23:36 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded. 23:36 jcamins talljoy: what can I do for you? 23:36 talljoy ask and ye shall receive, eh? :-) 23:37 jcamins Oh, heh. 23:37 jcamins That was only 15 minutes ago. 23:37 talljoy i've been asked a pointed question about authority matching. What I'm trying to locate in documentation somewhere is an outline of *what* matches from bibs to auth. i.e. 100 in bib to 100 in auth 23:38 talljoy i'm thinking that the bib tags 100, 600, 700, 800 match the 100 in an auth record 23:38 talljoy same with x10, x11, x30 23:38 jcamins Yes and no. 23:39 jcamins By default, yes. 23:39 talljoy okay. i'm okay with default. what would make it a no? 23:39 jcamins However, if the library wants to do something weird, there is nothing preventing them doing that. 23:40 talljoy weird is outside my scope. i'm happy knowing what the 'normal' behavior is. 23:40 jcamins Also, if they broke the authority control link because they didn't know about BiblioAddsAuthorities (this was popular for a while), linking will seem to "not work." 23:40 talljoy fair enough. 23:40 jcamins And by "broke" I mean "cut." 23:40 talljoy right. makes sense. 23:41 talljoy but the intended purpose would also match 648 -> 148 65->150 651->151, 655->155 23:41 talljoy what about other authority controlled fields in a bib record. Like the 440 or 662 or 690? 23:42 jcamins If those were linked. 23:42 jcamins 650 is linked by default. 23:42 * bag grabs popcorn while reading - this is like awesome librarian movie! 23:42 talljoy lol 23:42 jcamins 440 will link only to existing series authorities. 23:43 jcamins i.e. thanks to LC's nutty policies, there is no automatic authority generation by design. 23:43 talljoy so 662 appears linked to geographic name so...662->151 23:44 jcamins Hm. 23:44 talljoy 690 local subject would link to 650 in the linker 23:44 jcamins I don't think we have an authority type for 662 by default. 23:44 jcamins 690 _can_ be linked to topical headings (150/650). 23:45 jcamins Or it can be linked to personal names, or even something more disturbing. 23:45 talljoy ha! 23:45 talljoy mad library schemes and all 23:45 jcamins Exactly. 23:45 jcamins I'm looking to see if we have an authority type for 662. 23:45 jcamins I do not use them, personally. 23:45 jcamins I favor 651 + see-froms. 23:46 talljoy i guess my main concern in responding is if they use a 700 in a bib for added authors, will that 700 link to an auth record just like the 100 tag. And it sounds like yes. 23:46 jcamins Yes it will. 23:46 talljoy 651 is better than 662 23:46 jcamins In my opinion. 23:47 jcamins 662 is one of those things that made sense back when everything was on cards sorted by subject. 23:47 jcamins But nowadays, no one has a clue wtf they're supposed to understand from "New York--Queens County--Forest Hills." 23:48 talljoy makes perfect sense to me. 23:48 talljoy sigh...i was born a librarian 23:48 talljoy i remember my first interaction with a card catalog. 23:49 jcamins It makes sense to me too. 23:49 talljoy the sky parted, the sun shone down, i even think angels sang 23:49 talljoy and then i promptly moved to subject catalog to look up religious conversion 23:49 jcamins But if I were the target audience for catalogs, we wouldn't bother with non-MARC views... 23:49 jcamins lol 23:50 dcook hehe 23:50 talljoy sadly, i do remember my first experience on a card catalog. I looked up biographies on Houdini. 23:51 talljoy i had a thing for Houdini as a young girl. weird, eh? 23:51 bag is it intermission yet - I need to refill my soda :P 23:51 talljoy LOL 23:51 jcamins No, it makes sense... 23:51 talljoy i'm just reminiscing 23:51 jcamins he was an expert at escaping. 23:51 jcamins ... kind of like one can do at a library with all those wonderful books! 23:51 bag oh that's bad!!!! good pun 23:52 talljoy i think that's a metaphor, not a pun 23:52 talljoy :-P 23:52 bag I typed that at escaping :P 23:52 jcamins Yeah, I was definitely going for a metaphor. 23:52 * bag whatevs - goes to refill my soda 23:53 talljoy hah 23:53 talljoy thanks jcamins. I can answer with a modicum of authority now on this question. i appreciate the confirmation. 23:54 jcamins You're welcome. 23:57 jcamins Is there a chart showing month-by-month status changes?