Time  Nick           Message
23:56 dcook          Maybe it's just the wording
23:56 dcook          ...that bug looks weird
23:56 bgkriegel      ok, ignore :)
23:55 bgkriegel      in my home
23:55 bgkriegel      mm, i'm using koha-qa and percritic file
23:54 jcamins        The perlcriticrc file in the Koha repo tells perlcritic to ignore it.
23:54 dcook          Intriguing...
23:53 jcamins        Ignore the perlcritic complaint.
23:48 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5608 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mdhafen, Needs Signoff , Tool to move MARC21 series info to 490 tag
23:48 bgkriegel      jcamins: testing bug 5608. Perlcritic complains about a require statement, but there are lots of scripts that also fails (or not but use same code). What to do?
23:39 dcook          My partner is vegan and I'm increasingly so myself, so always good to see non-dairy recipes
23:39 dcook          Oooo that looks good
23:38 jcamins        However, I am simply going to replace a stick of butter with an avocado.
23:38 jcamins        I found these: http://dairyfreecooking.about.com/od/cookies/r/Avocado-Brownies.htm
23:38 jcamins        Yes they are.
23:37 dcook          P.P.S. are avocados ridiculously expensive in the US as well?
23:37 dcook          P.S. avocado cookies? I'm intrigued.
23:37 dcook          I see what you're saying now
23:37 dcook          O_o
23:36 jcamins        wtf?
23:36 jcamins        Now there are "three ingredient" recipes for avocado cookies that call for "avocados, milk, and cake mix."
23:36 dcook          As opposed to?
23:36 jcamins        It used to be that you used cake mix for, well, cake.
23:36 jcamins        dcook: no, this is more recent.
23:35 dcook          Admittedly, I've often been a mix/pre-made person,  but my partner is giving me flak, so b ack to actual ingredients we go!
23:34 dcook          jcamins: By trend, do you mean the past 20-30 years? :p
23:30 jcamins        What is with this trend of using cake mix instead of actual ingredients?
23:29 jcamins        Butter problem = a thing of the past
23:29 jcamins        AVOCADO!!!!
23:29 jcamins        http://catesworldkitchen.com/2010/04/chocolate-oatmeal-cookies/ <-- I could make that and add a few tablespoons of avocado...
23:27 jcamins        Suggestions?
23:27 jcamins        I have one stick of butter and cocoa powder, and would like to bake something dessert-like with it.
23:17 * dcook        chuckles
23:16 jcamins        lol
23:16 wahanui        That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, jcamins
23:16 jcamins        Awesome!
23:16 rangi          right
23:16 jcamins        Right, but the Persona server isn't connecting to /opac/svc/login, it's /opac/svc/login making the connection to Persona.
23:16 rangi          with a persona server somewhere, in this case the main one
23:16 rangi          however that script has to verify the assertion given to it by the client
23:15 rangi          script created for this
23:15 rangi          there is an /opac/svc/login
23:15 jcamins        Very cool!
23:15 jcamins        Ohhh.
23:15 rangi          yep thats local
23:15 jcamins        And the commit message mentioned a /svc/login call.
23:15 rangi          to persona
23:15 rangi          what happens is the client logs in
23:15 jcamins        I didn't look at the code yet since I couldn't figure out how to get it working.
23:14 rangi          nope
23:14 rangi          then no it wont work
23:14 jcamins        I thought it had some sort of callback.
23:14 rangi          if the server cant verify an assertion with a persona server
23:14 jcamins        No, I meant behind a firewall.
23:14 jcamins        But... how?
23:14 wizzyrea       perhaps?
23:14 rangi          as long as that server can talk to the internet that is
23:14 wizzyrea       you mean "not internet connected"
23:14 jcamins        Oh, good!
23:13 rangi          yeah it does
23:13 jcamins        Right.
23:13 rangi          my 192.168.2.188 server i developed it on?
23:13 rangi          how do you mean?
23:13 jcamins        I just realized something... Persona doesn't work with non-public servers, does it?
23:06 rgbv           :)
23:06 wizzyrea       fly little apostrophes! fly!
23:06 rangi          cool
23:05 rgbv           cheers, thats most helpful, I'll get them to set the apostrophes free
23:04 rangi          rgbv: i hope that makes sense and/or is helpful :)
23:04 rangi          rgbv: so its being blocked before getting to koha
23:04 wizzyrea       maaadness
23:03 rangi          ' is fine ’ isnt
23:03 wizzyrea       can't handle not %27 apostrophes
23:03 rangi          jcamins: only windows ones it appears
23:03 jcamins        rangi: ... IIS can't handle apostrophes?
23:03 wizzyrea       works for me ^.^
23:03 wizzyrea       http://www.library.waitaki.govt.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=Mother's
23:02 rangi          you will see entries appear in the log
23:02 rangi          otoh
23:02 rangi          if you hit http://www.library.waitaki.govt.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=Mother%27s
23:02 rangi          you will notice nothing gets to koha
23:02 rangi          http://www.library.waitaki.govt.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=Mother%E2%80%99s
23:02 rangi          and then hit the page
23:02 jcamins        Other than that, everything stays.
23:02 rangi          tail -f /var/log/koha/waitaki/opac-access.log
23:01 jcamins        But actually, I'm not even sure it gets replaced by the deleted date.
23:01 rangi          rgbv: run
23:01 wizzyrea       I'm not sure about that
23:01 rangi          rgbv: ahh its definitely not getting to koha
23:01 jcamins        Date last edited, maybe.
23:01 rgbv           rangi: what do I need to look for in the logs? (I have'nt much xp with them)
23:01 jatara         so when an item is "deleted" are there any aspects of that record that are permanently gone?
23:01 drojf          good night #koha
23:00 dcook          jcamins: I've always been skeptical of openID (although I didn't know it as openID at the time), although I suppose it's always difficult to gauge the reliability of the message of a competing technology
22:59 jcamins        Right.
22:59 wizzyrea       right
22:59 dcook          hehe
22:59 jatara         so if an item is deleted via batch delete, we still keep a record of it (sorta), but that record is not easily retrieved, corect?
22:59 jcamins        At least, I think that was what the Persona site said.
22:59 rangi          but the logs would confirm that guess
22:59 rangi          rgbv: from what i can tell its not reaching the koha server being blocked by IIS before it can get there
22:58 jcamins        dcook: very similar, except with less XSS.
22:58 dcook          rangi: Is the persona concept similar or the same to openID? A friend of mine mentioned it as a viable possibility yesterday. I'm not super knowledgeable about authentication, but she couldn't seem to think of why openID wouldn't work with Koha
22:58 jcamins        Your point? :P
22:58 wizzyrea       sorry. mad scheme.
22:58 wizzyrea       well that is insane.
22:58 jcamins        wizzyrea: but that is why my college library listed withdrawn items.
22:57 wizzyrea       more likely they would say "why do you list 15 items if you only have 5"
22:57 jcamins        wizzyrea: nor have I.
22:57 wizzyrea       i have never once heard a patron say anything like that
22:57 jcamins        Patrons can see "okay, they used to have fifteen copies, now they have five... I guess this is the best-seller from fifteen years ago."
22:57 wizzyrea       ...if you are using that
22:57 jatara         how so?
22:56 rgbv           hi Chris :), cheers I'll look at the log
22:56 jcamins        jatara: yes, it offers a better way of tracking popularity.
22:56 wahanui        http://xkcd.com/1172/
22:56 huginn         wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
22:56 wizzyrea       @quote get 123
22:56 rangi          /var/log/koha/waitaki/
22:56 wizzyrea       heh, I can't answer that for you
22:56 jatara         are there any reasons why a library would prefer a withdraw over a batch delete?
22:55 rangi          you could look at the the error logs in
22:55 rangi          the cause is the lovely microsoft ’ vs '
22:55 rangi          that sounds like the proxy between you and koha throwing that error
22:54 rangi          ahh hey chris
22:54 rgbv           3.06.07.000 @ waitaki for better or worse I administer the server
22:54 rangi          ill resurrect it one day
22:54 * wizzyrea     sighs
22:54 rangi          by the demonspawn
22:54 wizzyrea       (anymore)
22:54 rangi          it got killed version 3.0
22:53 rangi          it keeps the full record, and there used to be an interface
22:53 wizzyrea       but there's nowhere in the interface to view deleted items
22:53 wizzyrea       I think it doesn't keep every little thing
22:53 rangi          rgbv: and what version of koha is it?
22:53 jatara         gone for good
22:53 drojf          rgbv: are you the server administrator?
22:53 rangi          rgbv: that doesn't sound like a Koha error, is there a proxy between you and Koha?
22:53 jatara         i didn't know you could run a report on deleted items, so even when "deleted," they're not good for good?
22:52 wizzyrea       http://schema.koha-community.org/tables/deleteditems.html
22:52 rgbv           it gives this error: Technical Information (for support personnel)      Error Code: 500 Internal Server Error. The request was rejected by the HTTP filter. Contact the server administrator. (12217)
22:51 wizzyrea       http://schema.koha-community.org/tables/deletedbiblio
22:51 wahanui        schema is tracked in git. or found at http://schema.koha-community.org
22:51 wizzyrea       schema?
22:51 wizzyrea       schema
22:51 wizzyrea       select (stuff) from deleteditems
22:51 jcamins        rgbv: is it telling you that it can't load a module?
22:50 jatara         you can do a report on deleted items? how?
22:50 rgbv           opac searches are not resolving ' that are pasted in they give this: ../opac-search.pl?idx=&q=Mother’s which gives a nasty error page rather than ../opac-search.pl?q=Mother's
22:50 wizzyrea       you can do reports on both, so that's not an issue
22:50 wizzyrea       (easier to just re--add it )
22:49 wizzyrea       deleted ones are harder.
22:49 wizzyrea       you can easily restore a withdrawn item
22:49 wizzyrea       withdrawn items will still show in the catalog, deleted ones won't
22:49 jatara         What are the pros and cons of either option?
22:48 drojf          or, not do?
22:48 drojf          rgbv: what does it do?
22:48 wizzyrea       there is no technical reason to do it one way or the other
22:48 wizzyrea       jatara- that is entirely a matter of library policy
22:47 rangi          hmm?
22:47 rgbv           I've noticed some weird behavior in koha since upgrading the server this morning
22:47 jatara         Got a quick question...I was wondering if there was any reason not to use batch delete with weeding items as opposing to withdrawing books?
22:47 rangi          nope if it doesnt match, you have to either login with one that does, or do it the old way
22:47 rangi          :)
22:46 drojf          rangi: ah, alright then. i was wondering if some magic was supposed to happen to still log in. i was just thinking how that will work with the email encryption if the address is not in koha *looks at "unfinished projects i got no time for"-pile*
22:45 wizzyrea       hi
22:45 rgbv           hi all
22:44 rangi          Couldn't log you in, perhaps your emails don't match (or words to taht effect)
22:43 rangi          but instead gives you a nice message saying
22:43 rangi          now its just going to not loop continuously trying to log you in
22:43 drojf          rangi: what is it supposed to do in the last case?
22:43 wizzyrea       you mean persona?
22:42 jcamins        wizzyrea: just make sure not to forget your password.
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22:41 rangi          handling when you login to persona with an email not in koha :)
22:41 wizzyrea       i really ought to get one of those:P
22:41 rangi          thats what i was just fixing
22:41 wizzyrea       ohhhh cool.
22:41 rangi          and pick the one you want to login to koha with
22:40 rangi          (you can associate multiple emails addesses to your persona account)
22:40 wizzyrea       anyway yes, probably a future enhancement
22:40 wizzyrea       because it might be different from the one they want to receive notices from
22:40 rangi          yep thats a possible future enhancement
22:40 wizzyrea       ok hear me out - maybe a patron should be able to select the email field to use for persona
22:39 rangi          so, short answer persona wont protect you from crazy library staff :)
22:39 wizzyrea       right of course.
22:39 rangi          and youd be getting all their overdue emails etc too
22:39 rangi          ie persona verifies your email
22:39 rangi          itd have to be the one that you have access to
22:38 rangi          yep
22:38 wizzyrea       or multiple people
22:38 rangi          if library staff go round assiging your email to the wrong ppl
22:38 rangi          yep
22:38 wizzyrea       or the library staff were
22:38 rangi          but since you were already in there before that
22:38 rangi          then you could login to theirs
22:37 rangi          so yes if you got into someones account set the email to yours
22:37 rangi          only if that person has the email address you are logging into persona with
22:37 wizzyrea       i guess the answer to the first question is, you can't accidentally get into the wrong account using persona, can you?
22:36 wizzyrea       cool
22:36 rangi          yep, theyd have to login the old fashioned way
22:36 wizzyrea       or husband and wife pair, often the elderly do this
22:35 wizzyrea       ah ok
22:35 wizzyrea       what happens if you have a parent who has a kid, and the parent put their email on the kid's account
22:35 rangi          you'll get the first match in that case
22:35 rangi          probably not
22:35 rangi          im not sure if we do
22:34 wizzyrea       we don't force emails to be unique do we
22:34 wizzyrea       cool
22:34 rangi          only primary at this stage
22:34 wizzyrea       does it check all of the email fields?
22:34 wizzyrea       \o/
22:33 rangi          but now it traps the error and gives you an alert and stops the redirect loop
22:33 rangi          ill change borrower to Koha
22:32 rangi          Could not login, perhaps your persona email does not match your borrower one
22:32 rangi          yay now we get
22:30 rangi          perfect
22:30 jcamins        _("Text for translation")
22:29 rangi          hmm whats the trick we do with the _ we do in js?
22:09 cait           night all :)
22:00 rangi          now just to get it to do a nice error message
21:59 rangi          ok, stopped the looping
21:55 wizzyrea       much nicer to just have a separate user.
21:55 wizzyrea       at least that's the thing that annoys me the most
21:55 wizzyrea       re: the db admin user
21:55 wizzyrea       the worst thing was that every time you went to issue something, it would ask you to set your library then dump you back to wherever you started instead of where you were going
21:54 wahanui        magnuse: I forgot which one
21:54 magnuse        wahanui: forget which one
21:54 wahanui        which one is the "native" files?
21:54 magnuse        which one?
21:54 wizzyrea       i laughed at that email too
21:50 rangi          golden too
21:50 rangi          yeah that is golded jcamins
21:48 magnuse        dpavlin is coming to marseille too? cool!
21:43 rangi          lol
21:43 jcamins        I found that amusing.
21:43 jcamins        Someone sent a message to the list reporting that as a bug.
21:41 rangi          i do like that you are logged in as the db admin
21:35 cait           mine too
21:34 rangi          hmm my brain has the dumb
21:33 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #1059: FIXED in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1059/
21:33 jenkins_koha   Yippie, build fixed!
21:20 wizzyrea       gr too slow
21:20 wizzyrea       byeee
21:19 oleonard       Bye #koha
20:58 tweetbot`      [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails  KohaCon13 Registration and Call for Presentations Open http://t.co/92P1rxFi"
20:46 rangi          but either way i need to make it handle valid persona, invalid koha, better
20:46 cait           so borrowers.email = personaemail?
20:46 rangi          if you view source the bottom of the page should have the email address set in it (in the js)
20:45 rangi          hmm weird
20:45 jcamins        rangi: I tried it with both my e-mail addresses, which are associated with two different accounts, and in neither case did it log me in.
20:44 rangi          jcamins: oh yeah i meant to ask, the persona thing, could it be differing emails? if so I need to do a follow up to handle that nicer
20:44 cait           yep
20:44 jcamins        it has no impact on the intranet.
20:44 jcamins        Wait...
20:43 jcamins        I see the virtualshelves syspref, but that seems to be for staff client and OPAC.
20:43 oleonard       jcamins: No
20:43 cait           add some reall ycool features?
20:42 jcamins        Do we really not have a way to disable lists on the OPAC only?
20:42 cait           hm you wanted to...
20:42 rangi          i wonder what i was actually planning to do today
20:34 tweetbot`      [off] twitter: @aestivus: "@nengard Not live yet, alas! And thanks for the hashtag tip! #kohails"
20:32 cait           heh
20:32 rangi          heh
20:32 * oleonard     sounds like a mailing list email!
20:32 oleonard       I tried again but then gave up
20:31 jcamins        oleonard: didn't crash for me, though loading the source took a long time.
20:31 cait           wizzyrea: good.
20:28 wizzyrea       nope, not so near my house
20:28 oleonard       Not on fire I take it wizzyrea?
20:27 * wizzyrea     waves
20:27 * jcamins      tries
20:26 rangi          too big?
20:26 jcamins        Really?
20:26 oleonard       Neat. If you try to view source on authorities/authorities.pl in Firefox or Chrome you'll crash the browser.
20:26 jenkins_koha   Starting build #1059 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1056 6 hr 35 min ago)
20:26 rangi          heh
20:26 jenkins_koha   rangi: job koha_master build scheduled now
20:26 rangi          !jenkins build koha_master now
20:24 drojf          [off] "If you are alone and want to find your love, you can write me and we'll start communicating." <- aaaw isn't that a nice email to get from a stranger?
20:20 rangi          http://archive.org/details/Kohacon09Keynote  <-- probably there too
20:20 drojf          heh. "version of". yeah right, starts with a big "c". sorry, have been studying all day, brain is off
20:19 rangi          ah yep
20:19 drojf          i think it was http://blip.tv/the-curious-and-wondering-eye/kohacon10-video-1-rosalie-blake-4367524
20:19 rangi          when we started writing an ils for a deadline in 3 months
20:18 jcamins        lol
20:18 rangi          i couldnt decide which
20:18 rangi          or explode
20:18 rangi          C4 was gonna be twice as good
20:18 rangi          C2
20:18 rangi          that
20:18 rangi          http://www.accessmylibrary.com/article-1G1-18509289/contec-c2-graphical-user.html
20:17 Dyrcona        Carl?
20:17 rangi          i might have and forgotten about it :)
20:17 jcamins        The excellent history of Koha talk.
20:17 jcamins        rangi: I presumed since drojf said that that _you_ did the talk.
20:17 drojf          :)
20:17 drojf          ah
20:17 drojf          something something cheerful version of $system_beginning_with_c. sorry, not too much that i remember
20:17 wahanui        hmmm... C4 is a high explosive :-) or "Cheap & Cheerful Copy of (the ILS program HLT used to use)"
20:17 rangi          C4?
20:17 rangi          who did that talk?
20:16 jcamins        Yes, but I've forgotten and that would require watching a video.
20:16 drojf          there is a talk about that ;)
20:16 jcamins        What did C4 stand for originally?
20:15 rangi          http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8332389/Wellington-blaze-It-was-just-a-ring-of-fire  <-- good work those firefighters 20-50 houses saved
20:13 drojf          hi rangi
20:13 rangi          back
19:56 drojf          good luck for that :)
19:55 cait           well the written one for that course
19:55 cait           exam on march 2nd
19:55 drojf          cool
19:55 cait           I finished last night
19:55 cait           heh
19:55 drojf          came to tell you to go and study,  but remembered you were on a trip when i did not see you here ;)
19:55 cait           hi drojf
19:54 drojf          hi cait
19:51 * cait         waves from home
19:45 drojf          good evening #koha
19:22 * maximep      hates to be the guy that really wants it but has no time to do it
19:21 maximep        cool
19:19 rangi          so thats a possibility if someone wants to write up a plan ill vote yes for it in the next meeting
19:18 rangi          yeah that worked a treat
19:16 rangi          lemme try on that whole file
19:16 rangi          and would ignore whitepace
19:16 rangi          we could totally perltidy a file (as a sep commit)
19:15 rangi          so yep
19:15 rangi          that was a trailing tab, then a tab to a space
19:14 rangi          13f6840c (rych          2007-03-09 20:33:59 +0000  1)   #!/usr/bin/perl
19:14 rangi          git blame -w
19:14 rangi          28d9f13c (Chris Cormack 2013-02-21 08:11:33 +1300  1)   #!/usr/bin/perl
19:14 wahanui        git blame is, like, handy, but it's just one tool in our debugging arsenal
19:14 rangi          git blame
19:14 maximep        git merge -w would fix my merge conflicts
19:13 maximep        I should just add -w to everything
19:13 rangi          lemme just test
19:13 rangi          yep
19:13 wahanui        That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, jcamins
19:13 jcamins        Awesome!
19:13 maximep        that includes tabs to spaces ?
19:12 rangi          ignore whitespace changes .. et viola we dont lose history
19:12 rangi          git blame -w
19:12 rangi          -w
19:12 maximep        :p
19:11 wahanui        Whitespace merge conflicts are the worst
19:11 jcamins        Whitespace merge conflicts?
19:11 maximep        whitespace merge conflicts are the worst
19:11 maximep        I turn off all my whitespace and tidy stuff when I work in koha :/
19:10 rangi          which would mean we could do a mass tidy
19:10 rangi          actually i learnt a trick
19:10 * oleonard     has a pre-commit hook that checks for whitespace problems in changed lines
19:09 rangi          exactly
19:09 maximep        than doing something wrong
19:09 maximep        id rather have my patch rejected multiple times because of style
19:09 rangi          so the person writing the patch gets blamed hehe, but blame doesnt really matter if it means the tab is fixed :)
19:09 maximep        nice
19:08 rangi          often a commit moves something a line down and then the qa tools notice hey that line has tabs
19:08 jcamins        bgkriegel++
19:08 jcamins        Yeah, bgkriegel's doing amazing signoffs.
19:08 rangi          the koha-qa tools will catch any stuff that is wrong in the commit
19:07 rangi          actually bgkriegel has been good about fix tabs etc when he signs off
19:07 maximep        ah, good point
19:07 jcamins        maximep: the problem is that the style guidelines are more about Perl than the templates, and the TT transition involved ve... yes, exactly.
19:06 rangi          maximep: that actually only touched a very small amount of perl
19:06 rangi          but i love it when people fix the formatting of whatever they are touching
19:06 maximep        too bad we didnt do it when we moved to tt :/
19:06 maximep        ah, i see
19:05 jcamins        maximep: yes, and we're not doing it. It loses too much history.
19:04 maximep        or better, just reformat everything following the coding style in the wiki
19:04 maximep        was there ever a discussion about just doing a mega patch reformating all the code to be spaces instead of tabs ?
18:54 maximep        sure
18:53 atz            there are numerous other gotchas like that
18:53 atz            for example, request to webservices providing webfonts.  IE (8/9) needs those in <head>.
18:52 maximep        you mean the other js ?
18:52 atz            oleonard: .... for *most* operations, but not all (in all browsers)
18:50 oleonard       More than just intranetuserjs could be moved to the footer
18:50 magnuse        create a new syspref called intranetuserjslast?
18:49 cait           brb
18:49 maximep        it executes the document ready in the order you give them
18:48 cait           hm shouldn't it work the same?
18:48 maximep        I could send a patch, but it would probably break some userjs :/
18:47 maximep        trying to do stuff in javascript for once instead of doing it directly in the templates =)
18:46 jcamins        maximep: I don't know, but I would think it would, yes.
18:46 maximep        anyone has an idea of why is intranetuserjs in the header ? Wouldn't it make more sense to have it at the bottom of the footer, to be executed last ?
18:34 magnuse        yeah!
18:33 rangi          good old mibbit
18:25 jcamins        The downloads page lists the current version of 3.8.x.
18:25 jcamins        Why were you looking for 3.8.2?
18:25 mib_7j1otm     Got it last week, downloaded from community by version number.
18:23 rangi          3.8.9 is out ... where did you manage to get 3.8.2 from without seeing 3.8.9 just want to know so others dont make the same mistake
18:22 mib_7j1otm     I will try this and let you know thanks
18:19 atz            or you could try to downgrade Net::Server below 2.005
18:17 atz            so try adding that to the run() call
18:17 atz            "You can force IPv4 only by adding an ipv => 4"
18:16 atz            "NOTE: beginning in Net::Server 2.005, the default value......"
18:16 atz            here: http://search.cpan.org/~rhandom/Net-Server-2.007/lib/Net/Server.pod#SOCKET_ACCESS
18:15 jcamins        That is a very old bug on an unrelated project.
18:15 atz            that probably is just a new default behavior for Net::Server
18:14 mib_7j1otm     The problem with sip2 using TCP6 instead of TCP4 is also mentioned here : http://osdir.com/ml/debian-bugs-dist/2010-08/msg00548.html
18:11 mib_7j1otm     I used tarball
18:04 jcamins        mib_7j1otm: the current 3.8.x version is 3.8.9, which would be even better to use than 3.8.6.
18:03 oleonard       mib_7j1otm: What method are you using to install Koha? Packages? tarball?
18:00 mib_7j1otm     just tried 3.10 and could not get it running then I switched to 3.8.2, just didn't know about 3.8.6
17:56 jcamins        There were important security fixes in 3.8.6.
17:56 jcamins        Also, why 3.8.2?
17:56 jcamins        mib_7j1otm: sounds like a problem with your configuration, but I don't know enough about troubleshooting SIP2 to tell you where to look for the problem.
17:56 mib_7j1otm     I just finished installing Koha 3.08.02 on Ubuntu server 12.04; everything works except SIP2; probelm is that socket opens a TCP6 instead on TCP4; is this a known probelm with this version or there is something wring wih my installation? thanks
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17:50 rangi          theres currently 3 helicopters flying over the house with monsoon buckets
17:48 cait           2-3 days!
17:48 jcamins        Yikes!
17:47 cait           oh no
17:42 bag            damn
17:42 rangi          if you pan left the school is there
17:42 rangi          thats near the kids school
17:41 oleonard       Whoa
17:41 rangi          http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8332389/Massive-Wellington-blaze-threatens-houses
17:41 rangi          holy crap
17:36 jenkins_koha   Nicole C. Engard: add serial item image
17:36 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_Docs build #292: STILL FAILING in 18 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/292/
17:36 jenkins_koha   Starting build #292 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 9 mo 28 days ago)
17:36 jenkins_koha   Nicole C. Engard: add serial item image
17:36 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_Docs_3.10.x build #24: STILL FAILING in 18 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.10.x/24/
17:36 jenkins_koha   Nicole C. Engard: add serial item image
17:36 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_Docs_3.8.x build #24: SUCCESS in 14 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.8.x/24/
17:36 jenkins_koha   Starting build #24 for job Koha_Docs_3.10.x (previous build: STILL FAILING)
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17:22 cait           probably, but you can't print the list
17:21 cait           oh and good hint about the callnumbers
17:21 oleonard       From the lists view. Yes, I understand. But if you're adding items to the cart so that you can see the call number isn't the real bug about the list view?
17:21 cait           and it's not a bug, only a feature request and I will just try to make  a bug in bugzilla tomorrow
17:20 cait           oleonard: sorry, I did confuse you - i was talking about the cart - you can't do select all > add to cart
17:20 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6030 critical, P3, ---, stephane.delaune, Signed Off , Allow for html in letters in overdue notices
17:20 jcamins        Bug 6030
17:20 oleonard       Call numbers show in the staff client list view, but it's done in a nonsensical way
17:19 cait           jcamins: is there something that needs to be QAd urgently?
17:19 jcamins        Yes?
17:19 cait           oh good :)
17:19 * oleonard     is still here
17:18 cait           oleonard: hope I didn't scare you away? jcamins?
17:16 cait           thank you wahanui
17:16 wahanui        trains are easy peasy
17:16 cait           trains...
17:13 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #1058: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1058/
17:08 cait           :)
17:08 cait           sorry if I am making no sense... I just talked a lot today
17:07 cait           :)
17:07 cait           probably not really a bug.... strictly speaking
17:07 cait           but on each individual entry there is
17:07 cait           yep
17:07 cait           that's why I noticed oyu can't bulk add there to the cart
17:07 cait           my idea was to just add all the items from the list to the cart, because the callnumber shows there
17:07 cait           but the cart thing was on opac
17:07 cait           with callnumbers
17:07 cait           they wanted to be able to create a list easily
17:07 cait           oh,no I think that was staff... actually not sure
17:06 oleonard       Oh I see, there isn't an "add to cart" link at the top of a list view you mean?
17:05 oleonard       on on -> *are* on
17:05 oleonard       Call numbers on on the list view in the OPAC
17:05 cait           I can file a bug tomorrow, I still have to make sense of all my notes and what I heard today
17:04 cait           opac
17:04 cait           also callnumbers on the list view is a big wishlist item
17:04 oleonard       cait: OPAC or staff client?
17:04 cait           nope, I am not THAT tired that I don't know you :)
17:03 * not_oleonard suspects his ruse hasn't worked
17:03 cait           it was very interesting
17:03 * cait         is on the train now after spending a day with a school ibrary
17:02 cait           heh
17:02 cait           in the list view you can add single items to your cart, ut not all!
17:02 cait           oleonard: i found a bug
17:02 * cait         waves
17:00 jcamins        maximep: yeah, seems like a good idea.
17:00 maximep        jcamins: that particular instance doesn't. Pretty sure the others do. Strongly recommended that they at least do a cleanup, if they dont want to activate the lost function
16:59 oleonard       I guess it's simple enough to do from scratch
16:54 jcamins        It's not like that is an unusual thing to want to do.
16:53 jcamins        Yeah, and I still think it's absurd that it's not available.
16:51 oleonard       jcamins: I mean built-in options to the modal dialog widget to create a full-page blocking overlay to prevent interaction
16:51 jcamins        That's absurd!
16:51 jcamins        oleonard: how can loading functionality not be available in jqueryui or bootstrap?
16:50 jcamins        maximep: you don't ever mark things lost?
16:47 maximep        useful
16:46 maximep        i didnt even know about blockui
16:40 oleonard       Is such functionality not built into jqueryui, bootstrap, or YUI because everyone uses blockUI already?
16:38 * oleonard     grumbles
16:38 oleonard       How much does everyone love the "loading" overlay on the MARC editor? Lots?
16:30 magnuse        ouch!
16:30 maximep        fun fun fun
16:30 maximep        thousands of call to is_holiday
16:30 maximep        yep
16:29 magnuse        a lot of days to count...
16:29 maximep        turns out calculating fines for stuff due in 1992 takes a long time :p
16:28 maximep        *80 minutes
16:28 maximep        having fun profiling why it's taking 120 minutes to run the fines cronjob -_-
16:27 maximep        nytprof is just amazing
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16:25 oleonard       Poor alohabot, has that intro worked ever?
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16:11 reiveune       bye
16:07 atz            hey, automated build stuff... gotta like that!
16:07 jenkins_koha   Starting build #1058 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1056 2 hr 16 min ago)
16:06 jenkins_koha   * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 9662: Followup for acquisition
16:06 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9662 major, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , z3950_search.pl ISSN search field not passed to Z3950Search
16:06 jenkins_koha   * Dobrica Pavlinusic: Bug 9662 - ISSN search field not passed to Z3950Search
16:06 jenkins_koha   * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 5888: Increment version number
16:06 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5888 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , opac-detail subject/author links improvements
16:06 jenkins_koha   * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 5888: Followup for preference description
16:06 jenkins_koha   * Jonathan Druart: Bug 5888: Add label for each entry in the authors list
16:06 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8913 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Improve acquisitions navigation
16:06 jenkins_koha   * Jonathan Druart: Bug 5888: Followup add a syspref (OPACPopupAuthorsSearch)
16:06 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8347 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Pushed to Master , Koha forces UNIMARC 100 field code language to 'fre'
16:06 jenkins_koha   * Julian Maurice: Bug 5888: Fix building of query in authors links
16:06 jenkins_koha   * Julian Maurice: Bug 5888: opac-detail subject/author links improvements
16:06 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9145 major, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Pushed to Master , Authorities: standard language for UNIMARC
16:06 jenkins_koha   * Owen Leonard: Bug 8913 [Revised] Improve acquisitions navigation
16:06 jenkins_koha   * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 8347: Increment version number
16:06 jenkins_koha   * Vitor FERNANDES: Bug 8347 - Koha forces UNIMARC 100 field code language to 'fre'
16:06 jenkins_koha   * Vitor FERNANDES: Bug 8347 - Koha forces UNIMARC 100 field code language to 'fre'
16:06 jenkins_koha   * Vitor FERNANDES: Bug 8347 - Koha forces UNIMARC 100 field code language to 'fre'
16:06 jenkins_koha   * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9145: Increment version number
16:06 jenkins_koha   * Vitor FERNANDES: BUG 9145: Authorities: standard language for UNIMARC
16:06 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #1057: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1057/
16:01 atz            i've gotten used to the pretty github interface for almost everything...
15:46 atz            ok, thx
15:45 jcamins        atz: the github repo mirrors git.k-c.org.
15:45 atz            what is the status of github vs. git.koha-community.org ?  is one a mirror of the other or is there crossflow?
15:44 * oleonard     waves to the lurkers
15:44 oleonard       We've got more an more lurkers these days too
15:44 atz            :)
15:44 atz            nice to see a lot of the old-timers are still around
15:43 atz            indeed, it has been
15:43 oleonard       Hi atz, long time no see
15:43 tcohen         i need to reuse some code for that bug, and will end up writing some methods
15:42 atz            the impediment to rewiring (unkludging) reports is that you will inevitably break something for somebody who already has reports
15:42 tcohen         thx
15:41 jcamins        Nope.
15:41 tcohen         is anyone working on refactoring/rewriting reports already?
15:06 magnuse        dbic++
15:01 huginn         New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9662' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0b3b23e46f002456ac637241f48dbacdf6a29892> / Bug 9662: Followup for acquisition <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=220fb3f6574f2ff8fb37bfb92cf47c6d0b15064d> / Bug 9662 - ISSN search field not passed to Z3950Search <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8abe29b2530de
15:00 jenkins_koha   Starting build #1057 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:58 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9615 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Combine staff home page images into single sprite
14:58 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9625 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI buttons and menus on reports pages with Bootstrap
14:58 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9650 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Show message if there are no notices
14:58 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9455 trivial, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Embedded mysql quotes in sql string
14:58 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9658 trivial, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Breadcrumb wrong on reports dictionary
14:58 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9655 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Capitalization wrong on 'Close and Print' button in basket groups
14:58 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9582 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Unused code in members/pay.pl
14:58 jenkins_koha   * Owen Leonard: Bug 9615 - Combine staff home page images into single sprite
14:58 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8079 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , opac not showing fines - says 'no'
14:58 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9651 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , When deleting a fund, button is wrongly labelled with 'Delete this budget'
14:58 jenkins_koha   * Owen Leonard: Bug 9625 - Replace YUI buttons and menus on reports pages with Bootstrap
14:58 jenkins_koha   * Owen Leonard: Bug 9650 - Show message if there are no notices
14:58 jenkins_koha   * Colin Campbell: Bug 9455: Remove unnecessary quoting from sql
14:58 jenkins_koha   * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9658: Incorrect breadcrumb on report dictionary
14:58 jenkins_koha   * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 9655 - Capitalization wrong on 'Close and Print' button in basket groups
14:58 jenkins_koha   * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9582: Remove unused code from members/pay.pl
14:58 jenkins_koha   * Kyle M Hall: Bug 8079 - opac not showing fines - says 'no'
14:58 jenkins_koha   * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 9651 - When deleting a fund, button is wrongly labelled with 'Delete this budget'
14:58 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #1056: SUCCESS in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1056/
14:36 vfernandes     records and authorities fileld 100 should now work fine for UNIMARC :)
14:35 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9145 major, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Pushed to Master , Authorities: standard language for UNIMARC
14:35 vfernandes     bug 9145 too...
14:35 vfernandes     nice :)
14:34 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8347 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Pushed to Master , Koha forces UNIMARC 100 field code language to 'fre'
14:34 gerundio       vfernandes, just got the good news, patch for bug 8347 has been pushed to master :)
14:32 oleonard       tcohen: Yes
14:31 alohabot       Hi mib_xe8uly, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
14:30 tcohen         a "Save anyway?" dialog?
14:28 oleonard       I think we have to default to trusting them rather than defaulting to making them mad.
14:28 oleonard       In one case we trust that they will do something we're not requiring they do. In the other case we force them to abandon something they may have worked on.
14:27 oleonard       It is a difficult workflow problem. Should we allow the user to save a report with a non-existent authorized value on the assumption that they will create one later? Or should we force them to leave reports creation and create their authorized value first?
14:27 tcohen         ok
14:27 jcamins        I mostly only have opinions on A) things my clients use, B) things that are very central to the system, and C) things that I use.
14:26 tcohen         :-P
14:26 jcamins        Up to you.
14:25 tcohen         should we also warn the user on saving about non-existent auth values?
14:24 jcamins        I am sure you can figure out the best way to do it. :)
14:24 tcohen         talking wiht oleonard about it, some doubts arised thou
14:22 jcamins        Excellent!
14:22 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9659 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Undefined authorised value category yields empty dropdown menu on SQL reports
14:22 tcohen         no, i meant bug 9659
14:21 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9634 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Allow for parameters re-use on SQL reports
14:21 tcohen         jcamins: i attached the patch for bug 9634 i was working yesterday
14:20 huginn         New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_8347' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0bb9d984d4f49a58f2cf1b63b445c08da3a60431> / Bug 8347: Increment version number <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=91d91583bd19fe2fb19057d2630cbfac7bc9739f> / Bug 8347 - Koha forces UNIMARC 100 field code language to 'fre' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=93ba
14:18 jcamins        Now that you mention it, the only place the tabs look right is on the patron pages.
14:18 jcamins        Good point.
14:18 oleonard       Your screenshot looks consistent with the way things look elsewhere: http://screencast.com/t/nnnLOUmEHi
14:16 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8913 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Passed QA , Improve acquisitions navigation
14:16 jcamins        Oh, who signed off on bug 8913?
14:13 jcamins        oleonard: http://screencast.com/t/N9IsnB0t <-- the tabs are higher than the part of the page with the vendor's information
13:51 jenkins_koha   Starting build #1056 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
13:50 jcamins        Heh.
13:49 oleonard       Configuring one's editor to garishly highlight trailing spaces makes editing Koha code a colorful operation.
13:48 huginn         New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9615' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0f748d7e42855c30a878449f3de13888580000ea> / Bug 9615 - Combine staff home page images into single sprite <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0cdef9334d6b9e5bbcd89fd621338f74145635f3> / Merge branch 'bug_9625' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9
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13:33 jcamins        ... so much for easily tested patches.
13:32 jcamins        I like all these easily-tested patches.
13:26 oleonard       (hard to test, that is, if you want to be thorough)
13:26 jcamins        Heh.
13:25 oleonard       I shouldn't have put it in the hard one :)
13:25 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9617 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Replace YUI menu on catalog pages with Bootstrap
13:25 oleonard       Bug 9617
13:24 jcamins        Excellent!
13:24 oleonard       I incorporated a fix into one of the patches I submitted yesterday
13:24 jcamins        So, yes, and I'm a bit late to the game on this one.
13:24 jcamins        Ah.
13:23 oleonard       jcamins: 9420 introduced a padding problem with the <body> tag when the language bar is present
13:23 jcamins        oleonard: when you view the basket group page, does the button at the bottom get cut off by the language selector bar?
13:15 jcamins        finesmode.
13:14 jcamins        Oh!
13:14 jcamins        On my development server I get a nice CSV file listing all the fines, and no database changes.
13:13 jcamins        I was more thinking "update the database with fines."
13:13 oleonard       Fill you with a sense of vengeful power?
13:12 jcamins        Isn't running misc/cronjobs/fines.pl supposed to do something?
13:11 oleonard       Hi #koha
13:06 jenkins_koha   Nicole C. Engard: capitalize Z in Z39.50 where relevant
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12:47 moha           hi liw: how do i check that?
12:37 liw            is koha using the right database?
12:34 slef           moh: then I do not understand why koha cannot see those tables. Look for more log messages.
12:32 moh            slef: yes, i am using that user
12:30 slef           moha: are you connecting to mysql as the user shown in your koha-conf.xml?
12:29 moha           I have checked that the the table exists
12:28 moha           The installation says 'Success' on the browser but on the logs:  DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Table 'koha_csc.language_descriptions' doesn't exist at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Languages.pm line 354.
12:26 moh            i need help on koha, please
12:19 moh            slef: yes i have that table
12:04 slef           moh: can you see koha_csc.systempreferences in mysql??
12:03 moh            koha_csc.systempreferences' doesn't exist at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm
12:03 moh            now i have error messages on both opac and intranet logs
12:03 huginn         slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6416 normal, P5 - low, ---, robin, NEW , koha-remove fails when dropping user
12:03 huginn         slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4880 normal, P5 - low, ---, robin, NEW , koha-remove sometimes fails because user is logged int
12:03 huginn         slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4875 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, NEW , koha-remove, koha-restore should have options similar to --request-db
12:03 huginn         slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8500 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , koha-remove needs a --force switch
12:03 slef           @query koha-remove
12:03 slef           query koha-remove
12:02 moh            hello mtj
11:24 slef           approved 1 comment from oleonard
10:56 moha           i meant to say oldstable
10:54 moha           okay, i had installed what i found on the repository. i will try 3.10
10:54 mtj            ^^
10:53 mtj            http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
10:53 mtj            Current Stable Version is 3.10.2
10:52 mtj            deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main
10:52 wahanui        Current Stable Version is, like, 3.4.2
10:52 mtj            To get the old stable 3.10 release, add this to a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/koha.list file:
10:52 mtj            Current Stable Version
10:52 mtj            cool, try the 3.10 package too :)
10:51 moha           thanks for the help
10:51 moha           i will let you know
10:51 moha           hi mtj, i am doing a reinstall
10:48 mtj            ok, and now i have to go… :/
10:48 mtj            (the debian packages work for ubuntu, i think?)
10:47 mtj            .. and see if that fixes your weird bug
10:46 mtj            http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
10:46 mtj            moha, you could alos try using a koha 3.10 package, instead
10:42 moh            no errors in firebag
10:41 mtj            fyi, try reading back the #irc log - in case you missed some info -> http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2013-02-20
10:39 mtj            (i am from new zealand)
10:39 mtj            curious, where in the world are you from?
10:37 mtj            2/ watch (tail -f ) your apache/koha log file , for errors when hitting that 'patrons' webpage
10:36 mtj            (backup 1st , of course)
10:36 mtj            1/ drop/create a new koha db, and do a quick test re-install of a db, with all optional data
10:35 mtj            my 2 other suggestions are….
10:34 mtj            i use firebug's console in firefox, for errors
10:33 mo             firefox, ubuntu
10:33 mtj            depends on yr browser and os
10:32 mtj            hmm, something a little more topical wahanui
10:32 mo             how can i check for errors?
10:32 wahanui        mtj: Root nameservers are out of sync
10:32 mtj            excuse?
10:32 mtj            cant find yui-button-blah  file, etc...
10:32 mtj            any errors in your browser's console?
10:32 mtj            tried using firefox and/or chrome?
10:32 mohah          firefox
10:32 mtj            whats your web-browser?
10:32 mohah          package
10:32 mtj            package or tarball install?
10:32 mtj            ok, thats um, a pretty weird bug :/
10:32 moha           no, i created a new instance and there has not been new patron button from the beginning
10:27 mtj            … or has it never been there?
10:27 mtj            so, did you ever have a 'new patrons' button? ie: has it recently disappered?
10:24 mtj            hmm, ok thats good :/
10:23 moh            i have 13 rows
10:22 moh            checked using mysql client
10:20 mtj            mohah ^^
10:20 pastebot       "mtj" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "select categorycode, description from categories;" (17 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/394
10:19 mtj            well.. do you have any rows in your 'categories' table ?
10:18 mohah          how can i make it work?
10:18 mtj            ok… you are probably missing rows in your 'categories' table
10:17 moh            yes
10:16 mtj            but no button for 'new patron' yes?
10:16 moh            yes
10:16 mtj            and you click on 'patrons' from the top menu?
10:15 mtj            ok
10:15 mtj            you are logging into koha with the koha database user, yes?
10:14 mtj            http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2013-02-20#i_1189355
10:13 moha           from the file /etc/koha/sites/sitename/koha-conf.xml
10:13 moha           i am using the database user. created after koha-create --create-db
10:13 mtj            mohah, did you get my advice before? ^^
10:11 mtj            … can u add a new user then?
10:10 mtj            try logging in as the koha database/superuser
10:10 mtj            does your user have enough permissions to create a new user?
10:09 mtj            the first thing i do is watch the koha error log, for errors..
10:09 mohah          i don't have the new patron tab
10:09 mohah          I installed koha 3.8, created a new library, set it to default, created a new patron category but i can not add new patrons
10:08 mtj            whats your problem moha?
10:08 mohah          anyway, i would appreciate your help very much, i have been trying since yesterday and still no success
10:07 mtj            pass, sometimes the interwebs get bouncy :)
10:07 mohah          oh, why does it keep signing me out?
10:04 moha           moh is now moha
10:03 vfernandes     hi :)
10:03 moh            Hello guys, i need help
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08:50 magnuse        hiya francharb
08:44 francharb      hello #koha
08:39 cait1          bye all
08:39 * cait1        gets off the train :)
08:38 * dcook        trundles off to do dishes
08:28 wahanui        niihau, gaetan_B
08:28 gaetan_B       hello
08:04 christophe_c   hi cait ;-)
08:04 cait           hi christophe_c :)
08:04 christophe_c   hello wahanui
08:03 wahanui        hello, christophe_c
08:03 christophe_c   hello
07:43 rangi          hi reiveune
07:43 cait           evenng rangi
07:43 reiveune       salut cait magnuse rangi :)
07:42 rangi          yeah its totally not just the packages affected by that
07:42 cait           bonjour alex_a and reiveune
07:41 wahanui        hi, reiveune
07:41 reiveune       hello
07:41 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9256 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Search is broken for 3.10 package-installs when marcflavour != marc21
07:41 * magnuse      hopes to do something about bug 9256 for 3.10.4 at least...
07:33 magnuse        i need to figure out if i will be able to make it or not...
07:32 alex_a         bonjour
07:32 cait           :)
07:32 cait           you mean you will?
07:31 * magnuse      would like to
07:28 rangi          gonna do a talk? :)
07:28 rangi          https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dHVKNGpPdUJIaGtXR2hJQ2U4S3hXX2c6MA
07:27 magnuse        kia ora rangi
07:27 rangi          evening
07:24 cait           yep
07:23 magnuse        hurtling through the german countryside?
07:23 magnuse        hiya cait
07:23 cait           morning magnuse :)
07:20 * magnuse      waves
06:16 cait           yep:)
06:02 dcook          On the train? ;)
06:02 * dcook        waves back
05:58 * cait         waves
04:51 cait           bbl #koha
04:47 Irma           yesan Creating good reports in Koha is well worth the time and effort. I always advise our clients to think clearly on what they wish to report on, in which order the information should be displayed, who the readers of the reports are etc.
04:45 yesan          thank you
04:44 yesan          fine.
04:43 Irma           yesan look for what you need here and adapt as needed to your circumstances in your "build new" http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library
04:43 yesan          we are not client of PTFS
04:43 yesan          we
04:42 yesan          ok
04:42 Irma           yesan OK?
04:42 Irma           that is Koha
04:42 Irma           yesan if not, them only go to koha-community.org
04:41 Irma           yesan are you a client of PTFS?
04:41 yesan          hello cait
04:40 Irma           yesan the koha reference is not koha-community.org
04:40 Irma           cait time
04:40 Irma           hi cait :-) Long timer no speak
04:40 yesan          you mean in koha.org
04:39 cait           hi Irma :)
04:39 Irma           see some of the reports are now in Koha
04:39 yesan          k
04:39 Irma           this page is not exactly up to date
04:39 Irma           that's the one
04:39 yesan          http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library
04:38 yesan          k
04:38 Irma           let me fetch a link
04:37 yesan          do you have any suggestions to modify sql script
04:37 yesan          like borrower added list of titles in a given date range.
04:37 yesan          if i want to generate a report on cataloging statistics.
04:37 Irma           Koha 3.8 ...good!
04:37 yesan          i am trying to get some reports set
04:36 Irma           :-)
04:36 yesan          i have installed koha 3.8
04:36 yesan          good doing fine
04:36 Irma           how are you doing?
04:36 Irma           hi yesan
04:35 yesan          hello irma
04:34 yesan          i would like to generate a report on no.of catalogue records added by a staff in a given date range. can someone suggest.
04:33 yesan          hello friends
04:29 huginn         cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 0.1°C (5:20 AM CET on February 20, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
04:29 cait           @wunder Konstanz
04:29 huginn         cait: Error: No such location could be found.
04:29 cait           @wunder stuttgart
04:24 cait           morning #koha
02:39 mtj            we talked about it pre-xmas, so im following up my promise :o)
02:38 rangi          ahh cool
02:38 mtj            heya chris, no biggie - i was gonna ping him about me building the next bunch of koha packages
02:17 rangi          hes off sick
02:12 mtj            eythian, abouty?