Time Nick Message 02:12 mtj eythian, abouty? 02:17 rangi hes off sick 02:38 mtj heya chris, no biggie - i was gonna ping him about me building the next bunch of koha packages 02:38 rangi ahh cool 02:39 mtj we talked about it pre-xmas, so im following up my promise :o) 04:24 cait morning #koha 04:29 cait @wunder stuttgart 04:29 huginn cait: Error: No such location could be found. 04:29 cait @wunder Konstanz 04:29 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 0.1°C (5:20 AM CET on February 20, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Rising). 04:33 yesan hello friends 04:34 yesan i would like to generate a report on no.of catalogue records added by a staff in a given date range. can someone suggest. 04:35 yesan hello irma 04:36 Irma hi yesan 04:36 Irma how are you doing? 04:36 yesan good doing fine 04:36 yesan i have installed koha 3.8 04:36 Irma :-) 04:37 yesan i am trying to get some reports set 04:37 Irma Koha 3.8 ...good! 04:37 yesan if i want to generate a report on cataloging statistics. 04:37 yesan like borrower added list of titles in a given date range. 04:37 yesan do you have any suggestions to modify sql script 04:38 Irma let me fetch a link 04:38 yesan k 04:39 yesan http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library 04:39 Irma that's the one 04:39 Irma this page is not exactly up to date 04:39 yesan k 04:39 Irma see some of the reports are now in Koha 04:39 cait hi Irma :) 04:40 yesan you mean in koha.org 04:40 Irma hi cait :-) Long timer no speak 04:40 Irma cait time 04:40 Irma yesan the koha reference is not koha-community.org 04:41 yesan hello cait 04:41 Irma yesan are you a client of PTFS? 04:42 Irma yesan if not, them only go to koha-community.org 04:42 Irma that is Koha 04:42 Irma yesan OK? 04:42 yesan ok 04:43 yesan we 04:43 yesan we are not client of PTFS 04:43 Irma yesan look for what you need here and adapt as needed to your circumstances in your "build new" http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library 04:44 yesan fine. 04:45 yesan thank you 04:47 Irma yesan Creating good reports in Koha is well worth the time and effort. I always advise our clients to think clearly on what they wish to report on, in which order the information should be displayed, who the readers of the reports are etc. 04:51 cait bbl #koha 05:58 * cait waves 06:02 * dcook waves back 06:02 dcook On the train? ;) 06:16 cait yep:) 07:20 * magnuse waves 07:23 cait morning magnuse :) 07:23 magnuse hiya cait 07:23 magnuse hurtling through the german countryside? 07:24 cait yep 07:27 rangi evening 07:27 magnuse kia ora rangi 07:28 rangi https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dHVKNGpPdUJIaGtXR2hJQ2U4S3hXX2c6MA 07:28 rangi gonna do a talk? :) 07:31 * magnuse would like to 07:32 cait you mean you will? 07:32 cait :) 07:32 alex_a bonjour 07:33 magnuse i need to figure out if i will be able to make it or not... 07:41 * magnuse hopes to do something about bug 9256 for 3.10.4 at least... 07:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9256 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Search is broken for 3.10 package-installs when marcflavour != marc21 07:41 reiveune hello 07:41 wahanui hi, reiveune 07:42 cait bonjour alex_a and reiveune 07:42 rangi yeah its totally not just the packages affected by that 07:43 reiveune salut cait magnuse rangi :) 07:43 cait evenng rangi 07:43 rangi hi reiveune 08:03 christophe_c hello 08:03 wahanui hello, christophe_c 08:04 christophe_c hello wahanui 08:04 cait hi christophe_c :) 08:04 christophe_c hi cait ;-) 08:28 gaetan_B hello 08:28 wahanui niihau, gaetan_B 08:38 * dcook trundles off to do dishes 08:39 * cait1 gets off the train :) 08:39 cait1 bye all 08:44 francharb hello #koha 08:50 magnuse hiya francharb 09:03 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails How to update the Library of Congress Z.3950 Target http://t.co/fiBUK0o6" 10:03 moh Hello guys, i need help 10:03 vfernandes hi :) 10:04 moha moh is now moha 10:07 mohah oh, why does it keep signing me out? 10:07 mtj pass, sometimes the interwebs get bouncy :) 10:08 mohah anyway, i would appreciate your help very much, i have been trying since yesterday and still no success 10:08 mtj whats your problem moha? 10:09 mohah I installed koha 3.8, created a new library, set it to default, created a new patron category but i can not add new patrons 10:09 mohah i don't have the new patron tab 10:09 mtj the first thing i do is watch the koha error log, for errors.. 10:10 mtj does your user have enough permissions to create a new user? 10:10 mtj try logging in as the koha database/superuser 10:11 mtj … can u add a new user then? 10:13 mtj mohah, did you get my advice before? ^^ 10:13 moha i am using the database user. created after koha-create --create-db 10:13 moha from the file /etc/koha/sites/sitename/koha-conf.xml 10:14 mtj http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2013-02-20#i_1189355 10:15 mtj you are logging into koha with the koha database user, yes? 10:15 mtj ok 10:16 mtj and you click on 'patrons' from the top menu? 10:16 moh yes 10:16 mtj but no button for 'new patron' yes? 10:17 moh yes 10:18 mtj ok… you are probably missing rows in your 'categories' table 10:18 mohah how can i make it work? 10:19 mtj well.. do you have any rows in your 'categories' table ? 10:20 pastebot "mtj" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "select categorycode, description from categories;" (17 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/394 10:20 mtj mohah ^^ 10:22 moh checked using mysql client 10:23 moh i have 13 rows 10:24 mtj hmm, ok thats good :/ 10:27 mtj so, did you ever have a 'new patrons' button? ie: has it recently disappered? 10:27 mtj … or has it never been there? 10:32 moha no, i created a new instance and there has not been new patron button from the beginning 10:32 mtj ok, thats um, a pretty weird bug :/ 10:32 mtj package or tarball install? 10:32 mohah package 10:32 mtj whats your web-browser? 10:32 mohah firefox 10:32 mtj tried using firefox and/or chrome? 10:32 mtj any errors in your browser's console? 10:32 mtj cant find yui-button-blah file, etc... 10:32 mtj excuse? 10:32 wahanui mtj: Root nameservers are out of sync 10:32 mo how can i check for errors? 10:32 mtj hmm, something a little more topical wahanui 10:33 mtj depends on yr browser and os 10:33 mo firefox, ubuntu 10:34 mtj i use firebug's console in firefox, for errors 10:35 mtj my 2 other suggestions are…. 10:36 mtj 1/ drop/create a new koha db, and do a quick test re-install of a db, with all optional data 10:36 mtj (backup 1st , of course) 10:37 mtj 2/ watch (tail -f ) your apache/koha log file , for errors when hitting that 'patrons' webpage 10:39 mtj curious, where in the world are you from? 10:39 mtj (i am from new zealand) 10:41 mtj fyi, try reading back the #irc log - in case you missed some info -> http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2013-02-20 10:42 moh no errors in firebag 10:46 mtj moha, you could alos try using a koha 3.10 package, instead 10:46 mtj http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 10:47 mtj .. and see if that fixes your weird bug 10:48 mtj (the debian packages work for ubuntu, i think?) 10:48 mtj ok, and now i have to go… :/ 10:51 moha hi mtj, i am doing a reinstall 10:51 moha i will let you know 10:51 moha thanks for the help 10:52 mtj cool, try the 3.10 package too :) 10:52 mtj Current Stable Version 10:52 mtj To get the old stable 3.10 release, add this to a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/koha.list file: 10:52 wahanui Current Stable Version is, like, 3.4.2 10:52 mtj deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main 10:53 mtj Current Stable Version is 3.10.2 10:53 mtj http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 10:54 mtj ^^ 10:54 moha okay, i had installed what i found on the repository. i will try 3.10 10:56 moha i meant to say oldstable 11:24 slef approved 1 comment from oleonard 12:02 moh hello mtj 12:03 slef query koha-remove 12:03 slef @query koha-remove 12:03 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8500 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , koha-remove needs a --force switch 12:03 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4875 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, NEW , koha-remove, koha-restore should have options similar to --request-db 12:03 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4880 normal, P5 - low, ---, robin, NEW , koha-remove sometimes fails because user is logged int 12:03 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6416 normal, P5 - low, ---, robin, NEW , koha-remove fails when dropping user 12:03 moh now i have error messages on both opac and intranet logs 12:03 moh koha_csc.systempreferences' doesn't exist at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm 12:04 slef moh: can you see koha_csc.systempreferences in mysql?? 12:19 moh slef: yes i have that table 12:26 moh i need help on koha, please 12:28 moha The installation says 'Success' on the browser but on the logs: DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Table 'koha_csc.language_descriptions' doesn't exist at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Languages.pm line 354. 12:29 moha I have checked that the the table exists 12:30 slef moha: are you connecting to mysql as the user shown in your koha-conf.xml? 12:32 moh slef: yes, i am using that user 12:34 slef moh: then I do not understand why koha cannot see those tables. Look for more log messages. 12:37 liw is koha using the right database? 12:47 moha hi liw: how do i check that? 13:04 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @mjray: "good to see #kohails #kohacon13 planning continuing at http://t.co/l1X9aZFQ" 13:06 jenkins_koha Starting build #23 for job Koha_Docs_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 13:06 jenkins_koha Starting build #23 for job Koha_Docs_3.10.x (previous build: STILL FAILING) 13:06 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.8.x build #23: SUCCESS in 13 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.8.x/23/ 13:06 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: capitalize Z in Z39.50 where relevant 13:06 jenkins_koha Starting build #291 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 9 mo 28 days ago) 13:06 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.10.x build #23: STILL FAILING in 27 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.10.x/23/ 13:06 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: capitalize Z in Z39.50 where relevant 13:06 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #291: STILL FAILING in 18 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/291/ 13:06 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: capitalize Z in Z39.50 where relevant 13:11 oleonard Hi #koha 13:12 jcamins Isn't running misc/cronjobs/fines.pl supposed to do something? 13:13 oleonard Fill you with a sense of vengeful power? 13:13 jcamins I was more thinking "update the database with fines." 13:14 jcamins On my development server I get a nice CSV file listing all the fines, and no database changes. 13:14 jcamins Oh! 13:15 jcamins finesmode. 13:23 jcamins oleonard: when you view the basket group page, does the button at the bottom get cut off by the language selector bar? 13:23 oleonard jcamins: 9420 introduced a padding problem with the <body> tag when the language bar is present 13:24 jcamins Ah. 13:24 jcamins So, yes, and I'm a bit late to the game on this one. 13:24 oleonard I incorporated a fix into one of the patches I submitted yesterday 13:24 jcamins Excellent! 13:25 oleonard Bug 9617 13:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9617 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Replace YUI menu on catalog pages with Bootstrap 13:25 oleonard I shouldn't have put it in the hard one :) 13:26 jcamins Heh. 13:26 oleonard (hard to test, that is, if you want to be thorough) 13:32 jcamins I like all these easily-tested patches. 13:33 jcamins ... so much for easily tested patches. 13:36 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @nengard: "@aestivus Want to share your link? Also the hashtag is #kohails since #koha is used by so many other groups :)" 13:48 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9615' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0f748d7e42855c30a878449f3de13888580000ea> / Bug 9615 - Combine staff home page images into single sprite <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0cdef9334d6b9e5bbcd89fd621338f74145635f3> / Merge branch 'bug_9625' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9 13:49 oleonard Configuring one's editor to garishly highlight trailing spaces makes editing Koha code a colorful operation. 13:50 jcamins Heh. 13:51 jenkins_koha Starting build #1056 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 14:13 jcamins oleonard: http://screencast.com/t/N9IsnB0t <-- the tabs are higher than the part of the page with the vendor's information 14:16 jcamins Oh, who signed off on bug 8913? 14:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8913 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Passed QA , Improve acquisitions navigation 14:18 oleonard Your screenshot looks consistent with the way things look elsewhere: http://screencast.com/t/nnnLOUmEHi 14:18 jcamins Good point. 14:18 jcamins Now that you mention it, the only place the tabs look right is on the patron pages. 14:20 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_8347' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0bb9d984d4f49a58f2cf1b63b445c08da3a60431> / Bug 8347: Increment version number <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=91d91583bd19fe2fb19057d2630cbfac7bc9739f> / Bug 8347 - Koha forces UNIMARC 100 field code language to 'fre' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=93ba 14:21 tcohen jcamins: i attached the patch for bug 9634 i was working yesterday 14:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9634 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Allow for parameters re-use on SQL reports 14:22 tcohen no, i meant bug 9659 14:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9659 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Undefined authorised value category yields empty dropdown menu on SQL reports 14:22 jcamins Excellent! 14:24 tcohen talking wiht oleonard about it, some doubts arised thou 14:24 jcamins I am sure you can figure out the best way to do it. :) 14:25 tcohen should we also warn the user on saving about non-existent auth values? 14:26 jcamins Up to you. 14:26 tcohen :-P 14:27 jcamins I mostly only have opinions on A) things my clients use, B) things that are very central to the system, and C) things that I use. 14:27 tcohen ok 14:27 oleonard It is a difficult workflow problem. Should we allow the user to save a report with a non-existent authorized value on the assumption that they will create one later? Or should we force them to leave reports creation and create their authorized value first? 14:28 oleonard In one case we trust that they will do something we're not requiring they do. In the other case we force them to abandon something they may have worked on. 14:28 oleonard I think we have to default to trusting them rather than defaulting to making them mad. 14:30 tcohen a "Save anyway?" dialog? 14:31 alohabot Hi mib_xe8uly, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 14:32 oleonard tcohen: Yes 14:34 gerundio vfernandes, just got the good news, patch for bug 8347 has been pushed to master :) 14:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8347 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Pushed to Master , Koha forces UNIMARC 100 field code language to 'fre' 14:35 vfernandes nice :) 14:35 vfernandes bug 9145 too... 14:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9145 major, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Pushed to Master , Authorities: standard language for UNIMARC 14:36 vfernandes records and authorities fileld 100 should now work fine for UNIMARC :) 14:58 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1056: SUCCESS in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1056/ 14:58 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 9651 - When deleting a fund, button is wrongly labelled with 'Delete this budget' 14:58 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 8079 - opac not showing fines - says 'no' 14:58 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9582: Remove unused code from members/pay.pl 14:58 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 9655 - Capitalization wrong on 'Close and Print' button in basket groups 14:58 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9658: Incorrect breadcrumb on report dictionary 14:58 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 9455: Remove unnecessary quoting from sql 14:58 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9650 - Show message if there are no notices 14:58 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9625 - Replace YUI buttons and menus on reports pages with Bootstrap 14:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9651 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , When deleting a fund, button is wrongly labelled with 'Delete this budget' 14:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8079 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , opac not showing fines - says 'no' 14:58 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9615 - Combine staff home page images into single sprite 14:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9582 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Unused code in members/pay.pl 14:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9655 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Capitalization wrong on 'Close and Print' button in basket groups 14:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9658 trivial, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Breadcrumb wrong on reports dictionary 14:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9455 trivial, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Embedded mysql quotes in sql string 14:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9650 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Show message if there are no notices 14:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9625 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI buttons and menus on reports pages with Bootstrap 14:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9615 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Combine staff home page images into single sprite 15:00 jenkins_koha Starting build #1057 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 15:01 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9662' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0b3b23e46f002456ac637241f48dbacdf6a29892> / Bug 9662: Followup for acquisition <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=220fb3f6574f2ff8fb37bfb92cf47c6d0b15064d> / Bug 9662 - ISSN search field not passed to Z3950Search <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8abe29b2530de 15:06 magnuse dbic++ 15:41 tcohen is anyone working on refactoring/rewriting reports already? 15:41 jcamins Nope. 15:42 tcohen thx 15:42 atz the impediment to rewiring (unkludging) reports is that you will inevitably break something for somebody who already has reports 15:43 tcohen i need to reuse some code for that bug, and will end up writing some methods 15:43 oleonard Hi atz, long time no see 15:43 atz indeed, it has been 15:44 atz nice to see a lot of the old-timers are still around 15:44 atz :) 15:44 oleonard We've got more an more lurkers these days too 15:44 * oleonard waves to the lurkers 15:45 atz what is the status of github vs. git.koha-community.org ? is one a mirror of the other or is there crossflow? 15:45 jcamins atz: the github repo mirrors git.k-c.org. 15:46 atz ok, thx 16:01 atz i've gotten used to the pretty github interface for almost everything... 16:06 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1057: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1057/ 16:06 jenkins_koha * Vitor FERNANDES: BUG 9145: Authorities: standard language for UNIMARC 16:06 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9145: Increment version number 16:06 jenkins_koha * Vitor FERNANDES: Bug 8347 - Koha forces UNIMARC 100 field code language to 'fre' 16:06 jenkins_koha * Vitor FERNANDES: Bug 8347 - Koha forces UNIMARC 100 field code language to 'fre' 16:06 jenkins_koha * Vitor FERNANDES: Bug 8347 - Koha forces UNIMARC 100 field code language to 'fre' 16:06 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 8347: Increment version number 16:06 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 8913 [Revised] Improve acquisitions navigation 16:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9145 major, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Pushed to Master , Authorities: standard language for UNIMARC 16:06 jenkins_koha * Julian Maurice: Bug 5888: opac-detail subject/author links improvements 16:06 jenkins_koha * Julian Maurice: Bug 5888: Fix building of query in authors links 16:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8347 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Pushed to Master , Koha forces UNIMARC 100 field code language to 'fre' 16:06 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 5888: Followup add a syspref (OPACPopupAuthorsSearch) 16:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8913 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Improve acquisitions navigation 16:06 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 5888: Add label for each entry in the authors list 16:06 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 5888: Followup for preference description 16:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5888 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , opac-detail subject/author links improvements 16:06 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 5888: Increment version number 16:06 jenkins_koha * Dobrica Pavlinusic: Bug 9662 - ISSN search field not passed to Z3950Search 16:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9662 major, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , z3950_search.pl ISSN search field not passed to Z3950Search 16:06 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 9662: Followup for acquisition 16:07 jenkins_koha Starting build #1058 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1056 2 hr 16 min ago) 16:07 atz hey, automated build stuff... gotta like that! 16:11 reiveune bye 16:18 alohabot Hi mib_8i5jd5, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 16:25 oleonard Poor alohabot, has that intro worked ever? 16:26 alohabot Hi mib_hf45az, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 16:27 maximep nytprof is just amazing 16:28 maximep having fun profiling why it's taking 120 minutes to run the fines cronjob -_- 16:28 maximep *80 minutes 16:29 maximep turns out calculating fines for stuff due in 1992 takes a long time :p 16:29 magnuse a lot of days to count... 16:30 maximep yep 16:30 maximep thousands of call to is_holiday 16:30 maximep fun fun fun 16:30 magnuse ouch! 16:38 oleonard How much does everyone love the "loading" overlay on the MARC editor? Lots? 16:38 * oleonard grumbles 16:40 oleonard Is such functionality not built into jqueryui, bootstrap, or YUI because everyone uses blockUI already? 16:46 maximep i didnt even know about blockui 16:47 maximep useful 16:50 jcamins maximep: you don't ever mark things lost? 16:51 jcamins oleonard: how can loading functionality not be available in jqueryui or bootstrap? 16:51 jcamins That's absurd! 16:51 oleonard jcamins: I mean built-in options to the modal dialog widget to create a full-page blocking overlay to prevent interaction 16:53 jcamins Yeah, and I still think it's absurd that it's not available. 16:54 jcamins It's not like that is an unusual thing to want to do. 16:59 oleonard I guess it's simple enough to do from scratch 17:00 maximep jcamins: that particular instance doesn't. Pretty sure the others do. Strongly recommended that they at least do a cleanup, if they dont want to activate the lost function 17:00 jcamins maximep: yeah, seems like a good idea. 17:02 * cait waves 17:02 cait oleonard: i found a bug 17:02 cait in the list view you can add single items to your cart, ut not all! 17:02 cait heh 17:03 * cait is on the train now after spending a day with a school ibrary 17:03 cait it was very interesting 17:03 * not_oleonard suspects his ruse hasn't worked 17:04 cait nope, I am not THAT tired that I don't know you :) 17:04 oleonard cait: OPAC or staff client? 17:04 cait also callnumbers on the list view is a big wishlist item 17:04 cait opac 17:05 cait I can file a bug tomorrow, I still have to make sense of all my notes and what I heard today 17:05 oleonard Call numbers on on the list view in the OPAC 17:05 oleonard on on -> *are* on 17:06 oleonard Oh I see, there isn't an "add to cart" link at the top of a list view you mean? 17:07 cait oh,no I think that was staff... actually not sure 17:07 cait they wanted to be able to create a list easily 17:07 cait with callnumbers 17:07 cait but the cart thing was on opac 17:07 cait my idea was to just add all the items from the list to the cart, because the callnumber shows there 17:07 cait that's why I noticed oyu can't bulk add there to the cart 17:07 cait yep 17:07 cait but on each individual entry there is 17:07 cait probably not really a bug.... strictly speaking 17:07 cait :) 17:08 cait sorry if I am making no sense... I just talked a lot today 17:08 cait :) 17:13 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1058: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1058/ 17:16 cait trains... 17:16 wahanui trains are easy peasy 17:16 cait thank you wahanui 17:18 cait oleonard: hope I didn't scare you away? jcamins? 17:19 * oleonard is still here 17:19 cait oh good :) 17:19 jcamins Yes? 17:19 cait jcamins: is there something that needs to be QAd urgently? 17:20 oleonard Call numbers show in the staff client list view, but it's done in a nonsensical way 17:20 jcamins Bug 6030 17:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6030 critical, P3, ---, stephane.delaune, Signed Off , Allow for html in letters in overdue notices 17:20 cait oleonard: sorry, I did confuse you - i was talking about the cart - you can't do select all > add to cart 17:21 cait and it's not a bug, only a feature request and I will just try to make a bug in bugzilla tomorrow 17:21 oleonard From the lists view. Yes, I understand. But if you're adding items to the cart so that you can see the call number isn't the real bug about the list view? 17:21 cait oh and good hint about the callnumbers 17:22 cait probably, but you can't print the list 17:36 jenkins_koha Starting build #24 for job Koha_Docs_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 17:36 jenkins_koha Starting build #24 for job Koha_Docs_3.10.x (previous build: STILL FAILING) 17:36 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.8.x build #24: SUCCESS in 14 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.8.x/24/ 17:36 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: add serial item image 17:36 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.10.x build #24: STILL FAILING in 18 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.10.x/24/ 17:36 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: add serial item image 17:36 jenkins_koha Starting build #292 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 9 mo 28 days ago) 17:36 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #292: STILL FAILING in 18 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/292/ 17:36 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: add serial item image 17:41 rangi holy crap 17:41 rangi http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8332389/Massive-Wellington-blaze-threatens-houses 17:41 oleonard Whoa 17:42 rangi thats near the kids school 17:42 rangi if you pan left the school is there 17:42 bag damn 17:47 cait oh no 17:48 jcamins Yikes! 17:48 cait 2-3 days! 17:50 rangi theres currently 3 helicopters flying over the house with monsoon buckets 17:53 alohabot Hi mib_7j1otm, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 17:56 mib_7j1otm I just finished installing Koha 3.08.02 on Ubuntu server 12.04; everything works except SIP2; probelm is that socket opens a TCP6 instead on TCP4; is this a known probelm with this version or there is something wring wih my installation? thanks 17:56 jcamins mib_7j1otm: sounds like a problem with your configuration, but I don't know enough about troubleshooting SIP2 to tell you where to look for the problem. 17:56 jcamins Also, why 3.8.2? 17:56 jcamins There were important security fixes in 3.8.6. 18:00 mib_7j1otm just tried 3.10 and could not get it running then I switched to 3.8.2, just didn't know about 3.8.6 18:03 oleonard mib_7j1otm: What method are you using to install Koha? Packages? tarball? 18:04 jcamins mib_7j1otm: the current 3.8.x version is 3.8.9, which would be even better to use than 3.8.6. 18:11 mib_7j1otm I used tarball 18:14 mib_7j1otm The problem with sip2 using TCP6 instead of TCP4 is also mentioned here : http://osdir.com/ml/debian-bugs-dist/2010-08/msg00548.html 18:15 atz that probably is just a new default behavior for Net::Server 18:15 jcamins That is a very old bug on an unrelated project. 18:16 atz here: http://search.cpan.org/~rhandom/Net-Server-2.007/lib/Net/Server.pod#SOCKET_ACCESS 18:16 atz "NOTE: beginning in Net::Server 2.005, the default value......" 18:17 atz "You can force IPv4 only by adding an ipv => 4" 18:17 atz so try adding that to the run() call 18:19 atz or you could try to downgrade Net::Server below 2.005 18:22 mib_7j1otm I will try this and let you know thanks 18:23 rangi 3.8.9 is out ... where did you manage to get 3.8.2 from without seeing 3.8.9 just want to know so others dont make the same mistake 18:25 mib_7j1otm Got it last week, downloaded from community by version number. 18:25 jcamins Why were you looking for 3.8.2? 18:25 jcamins The downloads page lists the current version of 3.8.x. 18:33 rangi good old mibbit 18:34 magnuse yeah! 18:46 maximep anyone has an idea of why is intranetuserjs in the header ? Wouldn't it make more sense to have it at the bottom of the footer, to be executed last ? 18:46 jcamins maximep: I don't know, but I would think it would, yes. 18:47 maximep trying to do stuff in javascript for once instead of doing it directly in the templates =) 18:48 maximep I could send a patch, but it would probably break some userjs :/ 18:48 cait hm shouldn't it work the same? 18:49 maximep it executes the document ready in the order you give them 18:49 cait brb 18:50 magnuse create a new syspref called intranetuserjslast? 18:50 oleonard More than just intranetuserjs could be moved to the footer 18:52 atz oleonard: .... for *most* operations, but not all (in all browsers) 18:52 maximep you mean the other js ? 18:53 atz for example, request to webservices providing webfonts. IE (8/9) needs those in <head>. 18:53 atz there are numerous other gotchas like that 18:54 maximep sure 19:04 maximep was there ever a discussion about just doing a mega patch reformating all the code to be spaces instead of tabs ? 19:04 maximep or better, just reformat everything following the coding style in the wiki 19:05 jcamins maximep: yes, and we're not doing it. It loses too much history. 19:06 maximep ah, i see 19:06 maximep too bad we didnt do it when we moved to tt :/ 19:06 rangi but i love it when people fix the formatting of whatever they are touching 19:06 rangi maximep: that actually only touched a very small amount of perl 19:07 jcamins maximep: the problem is that the style guidelines are more about Perl than the templates, and the TT transition involved ve... yes, exactly. 19:07 maximep ah, good point 19:07 rangi actually bgkriegel has been good about fix tabs etc when he signs off 19:08 rangi the koha-qa tools will catch any stuff that is wrong in the commit 19:08 jcamins Yeah, bgkriegel's doing amazing signoffs. 19:08 jcamins bgkriegel++ 19:08 rangi often a commit moves something a line down and then the qa tools notice hey that line has tabs 19:09 maximep nice 19:09 rangi so the person writing the patch gets blamed hehe, but blame doesnt really matter if it means the tab is fixed :) 19:09 maximep id rather have my patch rejected multiple times because of style 19:09 maximep than doing something wrong 19:09 rangi exactly 19:10 * oleonard has a pre-commit hook that checks for whitespace problems in changed lines 19:10 rangi actually i learnt a trick 19:10 rangi which would mean we could do a mass tidy 19:11 maximep I turn off all my whitespace and tidy stuff when I work in koha :/ 19:11 maximep whitespace merge conflicts are the worst 19:11 jcamins Whitespace merge conflicts? 19:11 wahanui Whitespace merge conflicts are the worst 19:12 maximep :p 19:12 rangi -w 19:12 rangi git blame -w 19:12 rangi ignore whitespace changes .. et viola we dont lose history 19:13 maximep that includes tabs to spaces ? 19:13 jcamins Awesome! 19:13 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, jcamins 19:13 rangi yep 19:13 rangi lemme just test 19:13 maximep I should just add -w to everything 19:14 maximep git merge -w would fix my merge conflicts 19:14 rangi git blame 19:14 wahanui git blame is, like, handy, but it's just one tool in our debugging arsenal 19:14 rangi 28d9f13c (Chris Cormack 2013-02-21 08:11:33 +1300 1) #!/usr/bin/perl 19:14 rangi git blame -w 19:14 rangi 13f6840c (rych 2007-03-09 20:33:59 +0000 1) #!/usr/bin/perl 19:15 rangi that was a trailing tab, then a tab to a space 19:15 rangi so yep 19:16 rangi we could totally perltidy a file (as a sep commit) 19:16 rangi and would ignore whitepace 19:16 rangi lemme try on that whole file 19:18 rangi yeah that worked a treat 19:19 rangi so thats a possibility if someone wants to write up a plan ill vote yes for it in the next meeting 19:21 maximep cool 19:22 * maximep hates to be the guy that really wants it but has no time to do it 19:45 drojf good evening #koha 19:51 * cait waves from home 19:54 drojf hi cait 19:55 cait hi drojf 19:55 drojf came to tell you to go and study, but remembered you were on a trip when i did not see you here ;) 19:55 cait heh 19:55 cait I finished last night 19:55 drojf cool 19:55 cait exam on march 2nd 19:55 cait well the written one for that course 19:56 drojf good luck for that :) 20:13 rangi back 20:13 drojf hi rangi 20:15 rangi http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8332389/Wellington-blaze-It-was-just-a-ring-of-fire <-- good work those firefighters 20-50 houses saved 20:16 jcamins What did C4 stand for originally? 20:16 drojf there is a talk about that ;) 20:16 jcamins Yes, but I've forgotten and that would require watching a video. 20:17 rangi who did that talk? 20:17 rangi C4? 20:17 wahanui hmmm... C4 is a high explosive :-) or "Cheap & Cheerful Copy of (the ILS program HLT used to use)" 20:17 drojf something something cheerful version of $system_beginning_with_c. sorry, not too much that i remember 20:17 drojf ah 20:17 drojf :) 20:17 jcamins rangi: I presumed since drojf said that that _you_ did the talk. 20:17 jcamins The excellent history of Koha talk. 20:17 rangi i might have and forgotten about it :) 20:17 Dyrcona Carl? 20:18 rangi http://www.accessmylibrary.com/article-1G1-18509289/contec-c2-graphical-user.html 20:18 rangi that 20:18 rangi C2 20:18 rangi C4 was gonna be twice as good 20:18 rangi or explode 20:18 rangi i couldnt decide which 20:18 jcamins lol 20:19 rangi when we started writing an ils for a deadline in 3 months 20:19 drojf i think it was http://blip.tv/the-curious-and-wondering-eye/kohacon10-video-1-rosalie-blake-4367524 20:19 rangi ah yep 20:20 drojf heh. "version of". yeah right, starts with a big "c". sorry, have been studying all day, brain is off 20:20 rangi http://archive.org/details/Kohacon09Keynote <-- probably there too 20:24 drojf [off] "If you are alone and want to find your love, you can write me and we'll start communicating." <- aaaw isn't that a nice email to get from a stranger? 20:26 rangi !jenkins build koha_master now 20:26 jenkins_koha rangi: job koha_master build scheduled now 20:26 rangi heh 20:26 jenkins_koha Starting build #1059 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1056 6 hr 35 min ago) 20:26 oleonard Neat. If you try to view source on authorities/authorities.pl in Firefox or Chrome you'll crash the browser. 20:26 jcamins Really? 20:26 rangi too big? 20:27 * jcamins tries 20:27 * wizzyrea waves 20:28 oleonard Not on fire I take it wizzyrea? 20:28 wizzyrea nope, not so near my house 20:31 cait wizzyrea: good. 20:31 jcamins oleonard: didn't crash for me, though loading the source took a long time. 20:32 oleonard I tried again but then gave up 20:32 * oleonard sounds like a mailing list email! 20:32 rangi heh 20:32 cait heh 20:34 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @aestivus: "@nengard Not live yet, alas! And thanks for the hashtag tip! #kohails" 20:42 rangi i wonder what i was actually planning to do today 20:42 cait hm you wanted to... 20:42 jcamins Do we really not have a way to disable lists on the OPAC only? 20:43 cait add some reall ycool features? 20:43 oleonard jcamins: No 20:43 jcamins I see the virtualshelves syspref, but that seems to be for staff client and OPAC. 20:44 jcamins Wait... 20:44 jcamins it has no impact on the intranet. 20:44 cait yep 20:44 rangi jcamins: oh yeah i meant to ask, the persona thing, could it be differing emails? if so I need to do a follow up to handle that nicer 20:45 jcamins rangi: I tried it with both my e-mail addresses, which are associated with two different accounts, and in neither case did it log me in. 20:45 rangi hmm weird 20:46 rangi if you view source the bottom of the page should have the email address set in it (in the js) 20:46 cait so borrowers.email = personaemail? 20:46 rangi but either way i need to make it handle valid persona, invalid koha, better 20:58 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails KohaCon13 Registration and Call for Presentations Open http://t.co/92P1rxFi" 21:19 oleonard Bye #koha 21:20 wizzyrea byeee 21:20 wizzyrea gr too slow 21:33 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed! 21:33 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1059: FIXED in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1059/ 21:34 rangi hmm my brain has the dumb 21:35 cait mine too 21:41 rangi i do like that you are logged in as the db admin 21:43 jcamins Someone sent a message to the list reporting that as a bug. 21:43 jcamins I found that amusing. 21:43 rangi lol 21:48 magnuse dpavlin is coming to marseille too? cool! 21:50 rangi yeah that is golded jcamins 21:50 rangi golden too 21:54 wizzyrea i laughed at that email too 21:54 magnuse which one? 21:54 wahanui which one is the "native" files? 21:54 magnuse wahanui: forget which one 21:54 wahanui magnuse: I forgot which one 21:55 wizzyrea the worst thing was that every time you went to issue something, it would ask you to set your library then dump you back to wherever you started instead of where you were going 21:55 wizzyrea re: the db admin user 21:55 wizzyrea at least that's the thing that annoys me the most 21:55 wizzyrea much nicer to just have a separate user. 21:59 rangi ok, stopped the looping 22:00 rangi now just to get it to do a nice error message 22:09 cait night all :) 22:29 rangi hmm whats the trick we do with the _ we do in js? 22:30 jcamins _("Text for translation") 22:30 rangi perfect 22:32 rangi yay now we get 22:32 rangi Could not login, perhaps your persona email does not match your borrower one 22:33 rangi ill change borrower to Koha 22:33 rangi but now it traps the error and gives you an alert and stops the redirect loop 22:34 wizzyrea \o/ 22:34 wizzyrea does it check all of the email fields? 22:34 rangi only primary at this stage 22:34 wizzyrea cool 22:34 wizzyrea we don't force emails to be unique do we 22:35 rangi im not sure if we do 22:35 rangi probably not 22:35 rangi you'll get the first match in that case 22:35 wizzyrea what happens if you have a parent who has a kid, and the parent put their email on the kid's account 22:35 wizzyrea ah ok 22:36 wizzyrea or husband and wife pair, often the elderly do this 22:36 rangi yep, theyd have to login the old fashioned way 22:36 wizzyrea cool 22:37 wizzyrea i guess the answer to the first question is, you can't accidentally get into the wrong account using persona, can you? 22:37 rangi only if that person has the email address you are logging into persona with 22:37 rangi so yes if you got into someones account set the email to yours 22:38 rangi then you could login to theirs 22:38 rangi but since you were already in there before that 22:38 wizzyrea or the library staff were 22:38 rangi yep 22:38 rangi if library staff go round assiging your email to the wrong ppl 22:38 wizzyrea or multiple people 22:38 rangi yep 22:39 rangi itd have to be the one that you have access to 22:39 rangi ie persona verifies your email 22:39 rangi and youd be getting all their overdue emails etc too 22:39 wizzyrea right of course. 22:39 rangi so, short answer persona wont protect you from crazy library staff :) 22:40 wizzyrea ok hear me out - maybe a patron should be able to select the email field to use for persona 22:40 rangi yep thats a possible future enhancement 22:40 wizzyrea because it might be different from the one they want to receive notices from 22:40 wizzyrea anyway yes, probably a future enhancement 22:40 rangi (you can associate multiple emails addesses to your persona account) 22:41 rangi and pick the one you want to login to koha with 22:41 wizzyrea ohhhh cool. 22:41 rangi thats what i was just fixing 22:41 wizzyrea i really ought to get one of those:P 22:41 rangi handling when you login to persona with an email not in koha :) 22:42 alohabot Hi mib_ardh24, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 22:42 jcamins wizzyrea: just make sure not to forget your password. 22:43 wizzyrea you mean persona? 22:43 drojf rangi: what is it supposed to do in the last case? 22:43 rangi now its just going to not loop continuously trying to log you in 22:43 rangi but instead gives you a nice message saying 22:44 rangi Couldn't log you in, perhaps your emails don't match (or words to taht effect) 22:45 rgbv hi all 22:45 wizzyrea hi 22:46 drojf rangi: ah, alright then. i was wondering if some magic was supposed to happen to still log in. i was just thinking how that will work with the email encryption if the address is not in koha *looks at "unfinished projects i got no time for"-pile* 22:47 rangi :) 22:47 rangi nope if it doesnt match, you have to either login with one that does, or do it the old way 22:47 jatara Got a quick question...I was wondering if there was any reason not to use batch delete with weeding items as opposing to withdrawing books? 22:47 rgbv I've noticed some weird behavior in koha since upgrading the server this morning 22:47 rangi hmm? 22:48 wizzyrea jatara- that is entirely a matter of library policy 22:48 wizzyrea there is no technical reason to do it one way or the other 22:48 drojf rgbv: what does it do? 22:48 drojf or, not do? 22:49 jatara What are the pros and cons of either option? 22:49 wizzyrea withdrawn items will still show in the catalog, deleted ones won't 22:49 wizzyrea you can easily restore a withdrawn item 22:49 wizzyrea deleted ones are harder. 22:50 wizzyrea (easier to just re--add it ) 22:50 wizzyrea you can do reports on both, so that's not an issue 22:50 rgbv opac searches are not resolving ' that are pasted in they give this: ../opac-search.pl?idx=&q=Mother’s which gives a nasty error page rather than ../opac-search.pl?q=Mother's 22:50 jatara you can do a report on deleted items? how? 22:51 jcamins rgbv: is it telling you that it can't load a module? 22:51 wizzyrea select (stuff) from deleteditems 22:51 wizzyrea schema 22:51 wizzyrea schema? 22:51 wahanui schema is tracked in git. or found at http://schema.koha-community.org 22:51 wizzyrea http://schema.koha-community.org/tables/deletedbiblio 22:52 rgbv it gives this error: Technical Information (for support personnel) Error Code: 500 Internal Server Error. The request was rejected by the HTTP filter. Contact the server administrator. (12217) 22:52 wizzyrea http://schema.koha-community.org/tables/deleteditems.html 22:53 jatara i didn't know you could run a report on deleted items, so even when "deleted," they're not good for good? 22:53 rangi rgbv: that doesn't sound like a Koha error, is there a proxy between you and Koha? 22:53 drojf rgbv: are you the server administrator? 22:53 jatara gone for good 22:53 rangi rgbv: and what version of koha is it? 22:53 wizzyrea I think it doesn't keep every little thing 22:53 wizzyrea but there's nowhere in the interface to view deleted items 22:53 rangi it keeps the full record, and there used to be an interface 22:54 rangi it got killed version 3.0 22:54 wizzyrea (anymore) 22:54 rangi by the demonspawn 22:54 * wizzyrea sighs 22:54 rangi ill resurrect it one day 22:54 rgbv 3.06.07.000 @ waitaki for better or worse I administer the server 22:54 rangi ahh hey chris 22:55 rangi that sounds like the proxy between you and koha throwing that error 22:55 rangi the cause is the lovely microsoft ’ vs ' 22:55 rangi you could look at the the error logs in 22:56 jatara are there any reasons why a library would prefer a withdraw over a batch delete? 22:56 wizzyrea heh, I can't answer that for you 22:56 rangi /var/log/koha/waitaki/ 22:56 wizzyrea @quote get 123 22:56 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 22:56 wahanui http://xkcd.com/1172/ 22:56 jcamins jatara: yes, it offers a better way of tracking popularity. 22:56 rgbv hi Chris :), cheers I'll look at the log 22:57 jatara how so? 22:57 wizzyrea ...if you are using that 22:57 jcamins Patrons can see "okay, they used to have fifteen copies, now they have five... I guess this is the best-seller from fifteen years ago." 22:57 wizzyrea i have never once heard a patron say anything like that 22:57 jcamins wizzyrea: nor have I. 22:57 wizzyrea more likely they would say "why do you list 15 items if you only have 5" 22:58 jcamins wizzyrea: but that is why my college library listed withdrawn items. 22:58 wizzyrea well that is insane. 22:58 wizzyrea sorry. mad scheme. 22:58 jcamins Your point? :P 22:58 dcook rangi: Is the persona concept similar or the same to openID? A friend of mine mentioned it as a viable possibility yesterday. I'm not super knowledgeable about authentication, but she couldn't seem to think of why openID wouldn't work with Koha 22:58 jcamins dcook: very similar, except with less XSS. 22:59 rangi rgbv: from what i can tell its not reaching the koha server being blocked by IIS before it can get there 22:59 rangi but the logs would confirm that guess 22:59 jcamins At least, I think that was what the Persona site said. 22:59 jatara so if an item is deleted via batch delete, we still keep a record of it (sorta), but that record is not easily retrieved, corect? 22:59 dcook hehe 22:59 wizzyrea right 22:59 jcamins Right. 23:00 dcook jcamins: I've always been skeptical of openID (although I didn't know it as openID at the time), although I suppose it's always difficult to gauge the reliability of the message of a competing technology 23:01 drojf good night #koha 23:01 jatara so when an item is "deleted" are there any aspects of that record that are permanently gone? 23:01 rgbv rangi: what do I need to look for in the logs? (I have'nt much xp with them) 23:01 jcamins Date last edited, maybe. 23:01 rangi rgbv: ahh its definitely not getting to koha 23:01 wizzyrea I'm not sure about that 23:01 rangi rgbv: run 23:01 jcamins But actually, I'm not even sure it gets replaced by the deleted date. 23:02 rangi tail -f /var/log/koha/waitaki/opac-access.log 23:02 jcamins Other than that, everything stays. 23:02 rangi and then hit the page 23:02 rangi http://www.library.waitaki.govt.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=Mother%E2%80%99s 23:02 rangi you will notice nothing gets to koha 23:02 rangi if you hit http://www.library.waitaki.govt.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=Mother%27s 23:02 rangi otoh 23:02 rangi you will see entries appear in the log 23:03 wizzyrea http://www.library.waitaki.govt.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=Mother's 23:03 wizzyrea works for me ^.^ 23:03 jcamins rangi: ... IIS can't handle apostrophes? 23:03 rangi jcamins: only windows ones it appears 23:03 wizzyrea can't handle not %27 apostrophes 23:03 rangi ' is fine ’ isnt 23:04 wizzyrea maaadness 23:04 rangi rgbv: so its being blocked before getting to koha 23:04 rangi rgbv: i hope that makes sense and/or is helpful :) 23:05 rgbv cheers, thats most helpful, I'll get them to set the apostrophes free 23:06 rangi cool 23:06 wizzyrea fly little apostrophes! fly! 23:06 rgbv :) 23:13 jcamins I just realized something... Persona doesn't work with non-public servers, does it? 23:13 rangi how do you mean? 23:13 rangi my 192.168.2.188 server i developed it on? 23:13 jcamins Right. 23:13 rangi yeah it does 23:14 jcamins Oh, good! 23:14 wizzyrea you mean "not internet connected" 23:14 rangi as long as that server can talk to the internet that is 23:14 wizzyrea perhaps? 23:14 jcamins But... how? 23:14 jcamins No, I meant behind a firewall. 23:14 rangi if the server cant verify an assertion with a persona server 23:14 jcamins I thought it had some sort of callback. 23:14 rangi then no it wont work 23:14 rangi nope 23:15 jcamins I didn't look at the code yet since I couldn't figure out how to get it working. 23:15 rangi what happens is the client logs in 23:15 rangi to persona 23:15 jcamins And the commit message mentioned a /svc/login call. 23:15 rangi yep thats local 23:15 jcamins Ohhh. 23:15 jcamins Very cool! 23:15 rangi there is an /opac/svc/login 23:15 rangi script created for this 23:16 rangi however that script has to verify the assertion given to it by the client 23:16 rangi with a persona server somewhere, in this case the main one 23:16 jcamins Right, but the Persona server isn't connecting to /opac/svc/login, it's /opac/svc/login making the connection to Persona. 23:16 rangi right 23:16 jcamins Awesome! 23:16 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, jcamins 23:16 jcamins lol 23:17 * dcook chuckles 23:27 jcamins I have one stick of butter and cocoa powder, and would like to bake something dessert-like with it. 23:27 jcamins Suggestions? 23:29 jcamins http://catesworldkitchen.com/2010/04/chocolate-oatmeal-cookies/ <-- I could make that and add a few tablespoons of avocado... 23:29 jcamins AVOCADO!!!! 23:29 jcamins Butter problem = a thing of the past 23:30 jcamins What is with this trend of using cake mix instead of actual ingredients? 23:34 dcook jcamins: By trend, do you mean the past 20-30 years? :p 23:35 dcook Admittedly, I've often been a mix/pre-made person, but my partner is giving me flak, so b ack to actual ingredients we go! 23:36 jcamins dcook: no, this is more recent. 23:36 jcamins It used to be that you used cake mix for, well, cake. 23:36 dcook As opposed to? 23:36 jcamins Now there are "three ingredient" recipes for avocado cookies that call for "avocados, milk, and cake mix." 23:36 jcamins wtf? 23:37 dcook O_o 23:37 dcook I see what you're saying now 23:37 dcook P.S. avocado cookies? I'm intrigued. 23:37 dcook P.P.S. are avocados ridiculously expensive in the US as well? 23:38 jcamins Yes they are. 23:38 jcamins I found these: http://dairyfreecooking.about.com/od/cookies/r/Avocado-Brownies.htm 23:38 jcamins However, I am simply going to replace a stick of butter with an avocado. 23:39 dcook Oooo that looks good 23:39 dcook My partner is vegan and I'm increasingly so myself, so always good to see non-dairy recipes 23:48 bgkriegel jcamins: testing bug 5608. Perlcritic complains about a require statement, but there are lots of scripts that also fails (or not but use same code). What to do? 23:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5608 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mdhafen, Needs Signoff , Tool to move MARC21 series info to 490 tag 23:53 jcamins Ignore the perlcritic complaint. 23:54 dcook Intriguing... 23:54 jcamins The perlcriticrc file in the Koha repo tells perlcritic to ignore it. 23:55 bgkriegel mm, i'm using koha-qa and percritic file 23:55 bgkriegel in my home 23:56 bgkriegel ok, ignore :) 23:56 dcook ...that bug looks weird 23:56 dcook Maybe it's just the wording