Time  Nick         Message
00:21 mveron       Good night all
00:22 mveron       :quit
00:31 dcook        Random question for anyone who has a moment
00:31 dcook        How does Koha store user-generated help data?
00:31 dcook        When they're editing the help pages on the staff client?
00:40 dcook        Nvm
00:40 dcook        Looks like Koha re-writes the actual templates
00:58 bgkriegel    dcook: yes, and prints a warning if webserver can't write the file
00:58 dcook        Yeah, I saw that with my dev install ;)
01:21 * dcook      just noticed the 60 patch emails sitting in his patches folder.
01:21 dcook        Looks like Owen has been busy...
01:21 dcook        You too, bgkriegel :p
01:21 bgkriegel    :)
01:22 bgkriegel    and cait too
01:23 schnydsch    good morning koha community. we're using koha 3.8.5 in debian installation.is there a limit in items in a bibliographic record?one bibliographic record we have has 690 items.before that days before, the biblio record and its items are working good but now when I'm seaching it comes out as No Title, and when I click it it has no biblionumber. When I search..
01:23 schnydsch    ..its supposed biblionumber, what comes out is "The record you requested does not exist (). I have cron job -z -b -a running every 3 minutes
01:24 bgkriegel    do you know the biblionumber (koha internal number)
01:24 bgkriegel    ?
01:24 schnydsch    yeah
01:25 jcamins_away schnydsch: the problem is with indexing.
01:25 jcamins_away If you use -x when indexing, it will start showing up again.
01:25 schnydsch    I have -z -b -a running every 3 minutes
01:25 jcamins_away Right, that won't work.
01:25 jcamins_away It has to be -z -b -a -x
01:25 jcamins_away And you'll have to rebuild the indexes with -b -a -r -x first
01:26 schnydsch    ok i'll try that first.
01:26 schnydsch    -x -b was working for me then.. but haven't tried -b -a -r -x
01:27 jcamins_away You have to rebuild the indexes... mixing some entries with -x and some entries without gets messy.
01:28 bgkriegel    -x is not for biblios only?
01:29 jcamins_away Not since 3.8.3ish.
01:29 jcamins_away Good point.
01:29 jcamins_away schnydsch: what version?
01:29 wahanui      version is always noted in a comment on top
01:29 jcamins_away You may have to rebuild just biblios, and have two cronjobs instead of just one.
01:29 schnydsch    3.8.5
01:29 schnydsch    jcamins, what cronjobs are those?
01:29 jcamins_away It doesn't matter.
01:29 schnydsch    i have -z -b -a
01:30 jcamins_away Right, you need to change it to -z -b -a -x
01:30 jcamins_away If you were using an old version, you would have needed two: -z -b -x and -z -a
01:30 jcamins_away But you have a recent version.
01:31 schnydsch    ok thanks. i'll rebuild first with -b -a -r -x. then -z -b -a -x
01:31 eythian      jcamins_away: can we use -x with authorities now?
01:32 jcamins_away Since 3.8.3ish.
01:33 dcook        Which bug changed that?
01:33 bgkriegel    just tried and works, but help still said "only for biblios"
01:33 eythian      oh cool. I should update the package scripts so they let that work.
01:33 jcamins_away DOM indexing.
01:33 wahanui      dom indexing is a lot faster than GRS-1.
01:33 jcamins_away bgkriegel: heh, yeah, the help should probably be updated then.
01:34 dcook        Hmm. Cool.
01:35 bgkriegel    but this is only for DOM? my install use grs-1 and also works
01:35 jcamins_away No.
01:35 jcamins_away -x always worked with GRS-1.
01:36 bgkriegel    ah, ok
01:36 jcamins_away It just didn't work with DOM and we didn't have a way of checking, so it was disabled for authorities.
01:39 bgkriegel    dcook: bug 7818
01:39 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7818 critical, P1 - high, ---, robin, Pushed to Stable , support DOM mode for Zebra indexing of bibliographic records
01:39 jcamins_away That's the one.
01:40 eythian      why's that got my name on it?
01:40 dcook        Looks like it was assigned to you?
01:40 schnydsch    i still get The record you requested does not exist ().
01:40 eythian      Weird.
01:41 jcamins_away Very weird.
01:41 bgkriegel    schnydsch: how are you trying to access it?
01:41 jcamins_away And it's showing up in search results?
01:42 schnydsch    it does not show when I search particular barcode/accession no.
01:42 schnydsch    what shows is The record you requested does not exist ().
01:42 jcamins_away When does that show?
01:42 schnydsch    the title is Supreme Court Reports Annotated
01:42 jcamins_away Are you trying to directly access the record?
01:43 jcamins_away So if you go to /cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=XXXXX what happens?
01:43 schnydsch    when i search the barcode/acc. no., there is no biblionumber on URL
01:44 schnydsch    with /cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=XXXXX it's there
01:44 jcamins_away Very odd.
01:44 jcamins_away I've seen that problem before, and it is fixed by adding -x
01:45 jcamins_away So there must be an additional issue here.
01:45 jcamins_away And I can't think what it could be.
01:45 schnydsch    when i search the biblionumber in catalog, The record you requested does not exist (). and the biblionumber in URL is blank
01:46 schnydsch    yeah, it was working before the biblio record had only 500 or less items
01:46 schnydsch    but when I got up 600 yesterday through merging I got that mess
01:46 jcamins_away I'm sorry, I don't have any more suggestions if rebuilding zebra with -x didn't fix the problem.
01:46 schnydsch    could this be a bug? does anybody in the group have biblio records more than 600?
01:47 schnydsch    i mean biblio records with more that 600 items?
01:47 rangi        yep, fixed with -x
01:47 jcamins_away schnydsch: yes, many, many libraries.
01:47 jcamins_away All of whom have it working with -x.
01:47 schnydsch    <rangi> you mean -b -a -r -x?
01:48 rangi        yup
01:48 jcamins_away You run rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r -x *once*
01:48 rangi        iso2709 has a size limit
01:48 jcamins_away During that time, you need the cron job to be disabled.
01:48 rangi        marcxml doesnt
01:48 jcamins_away Then, when you go in to re-enable the cron job, you add "-x" to the end of the command line.
01:48 schnydsch    lemme try again, maybe -z -b -a got along the way
02:18 schnydsch    i did what u told me jcamins but still got the same error.. hhmm..
02:20 bgkriegel    schnydsch: if you search for the title, get no results?
02:29 bgkriegel    bye
02:30 schnydsch    <bgkriegel> other biblio records with the same title are the results, but i cannot find the exact title
02:49 dcook        bag, khall, libsysguy: Can you explain this blog post to me a bit? http://bywatersolutions.com/2013/02/08/rda/
02:50 dcook        While a RDA framework will show RDA tags in the cataloguing module, it won't show them on any templates, right?
02:50 dcook        Unless perhaps one is using XSLT?
02:50 libsysguy    dcook
02:50 libsysguy    you'd probably have to ask talljoy
02:50 libsysguy    when she is around
02:50 libsysguy    probably tuesday
02:51 libsysguy    or I think rangi had a similar post
02:51 wizzyrea     They probably need to be added to the xlst stylesheets
02:51 wizzyrea     xls??  xsl.
02:51 dcook        Yeah, I saw rangi's post about frameworks, although I'm not quite sure that it's entirely correct
02:52 dcook        The more I look at RDA, the more I think that Koha can't actually handle it without editing
02:52 rangi        in what way?
02:54 dcook        Well, the RDA framework that you put up does include more tags (like 336, 337, 338), but these needs to be manually added to the XSLTs or the TT templates need to be updated to show this information
02:54 rangi        you can use custom xslt, you can pick what xslt you want, in the sysprefs
02:54 dcook        That's what I mean though. It needs to be customized.
02:54 dcook        Typically by non-users
02:54 rangi        yes, whenever anyone figures out what to do with them
02:54 dcook        There is that ;)
02:54 rangi        because currently the data is of no value at all to any user
02:54 rangi        cept maybe some librarians
02:54 dcook        Although lookings at 336, 337, 338...I could see them as being additions to the extent
02:54 wizzyrea     if you know what to do with it I'm sure a patch would be welcome
02:55 rangi        but if you are cataloguing for librarians
02:55 rangi        you are doing it wrong
02:55 rangi        thats my whole beef with RDA
02:55 dcook        Good point, rangi
02:55 rangi        it doesnt provide any value to me as a library user at all
02:55 dcook        This page (http://www.loc.gov/marc/RDAinMARC.html) mentionst that MARC already contained most of these codes
02:55 rangi        yep
02:55 dcook        For reading by machines rather than people. 336, 337, 338 definitely look like they're for librarians
02:55 dcook        Agreed
02:56 rangi        exactly
02:56 rangi        thats why i did the framework
02:56 dcook        They do seem like they could be useful as search limiters...maybe
02:56 rangi        so you could store it
02:56 rangi        and search it
02:56 dcook        But that's why we have item types :/
02:56 dcook        Your framework needs a little edit ;)
02:56 dcook        All the fields in 338 have a max length of 0
02:56 dcook        subfields*
02:56 dcook        Search it?
02:56 dcook        Mmm, with the xslt
02:56 rangi        but i couldnt figure out any way to use display them in any useful fashion so someone else can
02:56 rangi        if we store it, we can search it
02:57 dcook        Fair enough
02:57 dcook        How are they indexed?
02:57 rangi        they aren't yet
02:57 rangi        because you'd have to make a whole new dropdown to search them
02:58 rangi        cos no one is going to know the jargon
02:58 dcook        So we can't really search them yet
02:58 rangi        with about 5 mins work we could
02:58 dcook        Admittedly, carrier type, content type, media type do seem a bit...redundant
02:58 rangi        if that provided any value at all
02:58 dcook        True
02:58 dcook        But that's my point ;)
02:58 dcook        Is that "if" someone needed it, there is still work to do
02:58 rangi        yep 30 mins
02:59 rangi        there is yet to be someone who needs it though
02:59 rangi        seriously it was just to prove to the nat lib that storing rda isnt hard
02:59 rangi        but it is pointless
02:59 dcook        True, so far everyone seems to be asking yes or no questions
02:59 dcook        I don't know "why" people want it
02:59 rangi        exactly
02:59 * wizzyrea   suspects they don't either
02:59 dcook        I do like the FRBR idea, but that doesn't seem to be anywhere yet either
02:59 * dcook      agrees with wizzyrea
03:00 rangi        if you have the framework you can tick the box
03:00 rangi        no one knows why you'd want to
03:00 rangi        but you can
03:01 dcook        True enough
03:01 dcook        I know a few librarians who seem to be pretty into RDA. I must make a note to ask them questions about why they use it again...
03:02 wizzyrea     because it's NEW and EXCITING and DIFFERENT
03:02 dcook        Myself and some classmates had a hard time seeing the benefit of RDA when an RDA trainer did a seminar for one of our classes in 2011
03:02 dcook        hehe
03:02 wizzyrea     it took AGES to figure out
03:03 wizzyrea     :) so mostly I think, it's just a long awaited snooze of a change
03:03 rangi        you wait until they start getting excited about bibframe instead
03:04 dcook        Well, they were pretty excited about bibframe too :p
03:04 * dcook      knows he gets the bibframe emails and stores them somewhere...
03:04 rangi        http://bibframe.org/
03:05 dcook        Ahhh
03:05 rangi        http://bibframe.org/contribute/
03:05 * dcook      now recalls some of the arguments on the bibframe listserv
03:05 rangi        thats funny
03:05 rangi        The MARC standard is responsible for the creation of millions of bibliographic records from all parts of the globe.
03:05 rangi        thats not how i remember it
03:05 rangi        im pretty sure the cataloguers had some part to play
03:06 wizzyrea     hehe
03:06 dcook        what the...
03:06 wahanui      it has been said that the is a stop word
03:06 rangi        s/creation/storage/
03:06 rangi        and that sentence makes sense
03:06 dcook        No doubt, wahanui. No doubt...
03:06 rangi        and therein lies in the ENTIRE problem
03:06 rangi        storage mechanism, should not be entry or display
03:07 rangi        confusing them is what got us into this mess :)
03:09 dcook        truer words, eh?
03:09 dcook        I was hanging out with a friend the other night and trying to explain library technology.
03:10 dcook        There were quite a few "yeah, I know it would be better if...but..."
03:10 rangi        @quote get 123
03:10 wahanui      http://xkcd.com/1172/
03:10 huginn       rangi: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
03:10 * dcook      loves that quote
03:11 dcook        I brought up that xkcd as well actually :p
03:11 rangi        :)
03:11 dcook        She knew it well ;)
03:13 dcook        Je ne sais pas...on one hand, I've used non-MARC systems that worked great for that individual institution
03:13 dcook        Until they had to migrate their data...that's when MARC came in super handy
03:13 dcook        individual institution = special library
03:13 rangi        yep
03:13 dcook        On the other hand, MARC is...MARC
03:13 rangi        no human should ever have to see it
03:13 dcook        I also dislike how RDA tries to combine AACR2 changes and MARC changes
03:14 dcook        It's like the whole "don't submit a patch with whitespace changes"
03:14 rangi        yeah
03:14 rangi        exactly
03:14 dcook        AACR2 and MARC are already conflated more than enough as it is...
03:14 dcook        Agreed. Poor humans..
03:14 rangi        http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2004/03/31/the-m-in-marc-is-for-mental/
03:14 dcook        http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/11/why-people-really-love-technology-an-interview-with-genevieve-bell/265596/
03:15 dcook        They said, "You don't understand. The robots are our friends."
03:15 dcook        Mmmm, great blog post
03:18 dcook        I mean yours, rangi :p
03:18 mtj          i think the people that are really excited about RDA are the trainers and documentation publishers
03:19 schnydszch   excuse me koha community, what does this mean: Error exporting record 93569 (biblio) XML at /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl line 395
03:19 wahanui      schnydszch: Failure to adjust for daylight savings time.
03:20 schnydszch   i run -b -w -v
03:20 schnydszch   actually I also got this yesterday I think. there could be something wrong with my record? but I can't figure it out
03:20 rangi        have a look at the marcxml column of biblioitems for that record
03:22 schnydszch   <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> <record     xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"     xsi:schemaLocation="http://www.loc.gov/MARC21/slim http://www.loc.gov/standards/marcxml/schema/MARC21slim.xsd"     xmlns="http://www.loc.gov/MARC21/slim">    <leader>00468nam a2200169Ia 4500</leader>   <controlfield tag="008">110402s9999    xx
03:22 schnydszch   http://mibpaste.com/BxaCVg
03:22 wizzyrea     excuse?
03:22 wahanui      wizzyrea: The rolling stones concert down the road caused a brown out
03:22 * wizzyrea   giggles
03:23 schnydszch   <wizzyrea> coz i see in the conversation you're talking about interesting topic RDA :)
03:24 schnydszch   the one in mibpaste is the marcxml of my record, could there be something wrong?
03:24 rangi        that looks ok, you could try running the rebuild with -k
03:25 rangi        that will not delete the records then you can look in /tmp and see what it looks like exported
03:25 dcook        mtj: I think you're right. Nothing like writing up a "new" secret code and then selling access to it for an arm and a leg
03:27 schnydszch   <rangi> add -k to -b -w- -v?
03:27 schnydszch   <rangi> add -k to -b -w -v?
03:30 rangi        thats right
03:30 rangi        hmm no -w
03:30 rangi        you need -x
03:32 * rangi      has to go
04:03 wizzyrea     later peps
04:06 gmcharlt     @quote random
04:06 huginn       gmcharlt: Quote #220: "jcamins: Facebook may not like unspecified relationships, but rare books catalogers do!" (added by wizzyrea at 06:41 PM, October 19, 2012)
04:10 dcook        For once, librarian humour that I don't actually get :p
04:19 schnydszch   tnx <rangi>
04:30 dcook        How does one generate templates from PO files again?
04:30 dcook        translate install xx-XX?
04:30 dcook        from the misc/translator directory?
04:30 dcook        or "perl install xx-XX", I suppose?
04:31 dcook        Aha! http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Installation_of_additional_languages_for_OPAC_and_INTRANET_staff_client
04:43 alohabot     Hi mib_lc60qq, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
05:40 dcook        hi cait :)
05:41 cait         hi dcook :)
05:49 dcook        Good sleep? ;)
05:49 dcook        I only include the ;) because I just realized that I was at work the whole time you were sleeping O_o. You don't sleep enough :p
05:49 cait         um...
05:52 * dcook      realizes that he's actually been sitting at his desk for way too long
05:52 cait         that's the other side :)
05:52 * dcook      goes back to looking at opac tags
06:12 bigbrovar    .
07:08 * magnuse    waves
07:08 cait         hi magnuse :)
07:09 magnuse      hiya cait
07:09 cait         morning magnuse
07:09 magnuse      4 weeks/1 month until marseille
07:09 cait         hehe
07:09 cait         that's super cool
07:10 cait         and scary because it means we are done with that versionso soon!
07:10 magnuse      gah! too true!
07:11 magnuse      i should try and get the digital signs ready for submission
07:12 magnuse      i'm actually going to dedicate next weekend to that
07:12 cait         !
07:14 cait         morning drojf
07:14 magnuse      nengard++ for volunteering
07:14 drojf        good morning #koha
07:14 magnuse      moin drojf
07:14 drojf        hi cait
07:14 drojf        hei magnuse
07:14 magnuse      @wunder berlin
07:14 huginn       magnuse: Error: No such location could be found.
07:14 magnuse      @wunder berlin, germany
07:14 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 1.4°C (7:43 AM CET on February 18, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
07:15 magnuse      @wunder marseille
07:15 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 8.0°C (8:00 AM CET on February 18, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising).
07:15 magnuse      ooh nice
07:15 magnuse      @wunder konstanz
07:15 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 0.0°C (8:00 AM CET on February 18, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1021 hPa (Rising).
07:15 drojf        "clear". i would like that
07:15 magnuse      @wunder boo
07:15 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 0.0°C (7:50 AM CET on February 18, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
07:15 drojf        we only change between light grey and dark grey
07:15 magnuse      hey konstanz = bodø!
07:15 drojf        lol
07:17 magnuse      they promise us +5 in a few days
07:18 drojf        [off] water in the house is turned off for some maintenance. for 10h! wtf. yeah for working at home :/
07:18 magnuse      [off] ouch!
07:19 drojf        ha, up to 8° at the end of the month
07:20 drojf        and rain and snow :D
07:23 magnuse      snow and +8?
07:23 drojf        0-8°. so i guess snow in the night, rain and mud by day
07:23 cait         snow has thawed here
07:23 cait         and I cansee some sun
07:24 cait         and I have headache because it probably wasn't supposed to be so nice so fast
07:24 drojf        aaaw. that sun people talk about. what does it look like? :)
07:24 drojf        i'll take your sun if that helps your head
07:26 cait         ok deal
07:26 cait         do you come by to collect it?
07:26 drojf        i thought you could fedex it?
07:27 cait         if you pay for the postage...
07:28 cait         but it looks kinda big
07:28 drojf        maybe i can find a company that specializes in sunsportation services. they will know better how to deliver it
07:29 cait         lol
07:30 magnuse      pf, stretch out your arm and you can probably cover all of it with your thumb. how big can it be?
07:30 drojf        [off] | Sun Transportation Services | Email CEO @suntransportation.com
07:30 drojf        lol
07:36 dcook        All right. Finally turning in for the night. Ta, #koha!
07:36 cait         heh
07:36 cait         it's big,.... we will need a long ladder too
07:37 cait         maybe we could do something with a big miror
07:37 cait         instead of moving it
07:39 alex_a       bonjour
07:39 wahanui      niihau, alex_a
07:39 magnuse      kia ora alex_a
07:39 cait         hi alex_a
07:46 alex_a       salut cait magnuse :)
07:48 reiveune     hello
07:48 magnuse      bonjour reiveune
07:48 reiveune     hi cait, magnuse :)
07:49 cait         why do you always see your typos while bugzilla is saving it already? :(
07:50 magnuse      :-)
07:50 marcelr      hi koha
07:50 cait         morning marcelr
07:50 cait         and bbl :)
07:51 marcelr      hi cait
07:51 marcelr      cait++ for qa
07:51 cait         thx :)
07:51 * cait       runs out
07:53 magnuse      bgkriegel++ for signing off bug 9498
07:53 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9498 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Signed Off , Update encoding for Norwegian sample Z39.50 servers
08:00 marcelr      hi magnuse
08:00 magnuse      hiya marcelr
08:02 drojf        hi marcelr
08:04 asaurat      hi
08:04 wahanui      privet, asaurat
08:06 gaetan_B     hello
08:06 marcelr      hi drojf gaetan_B
08:20 rangi        hmm bug 9657
08:20 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9657 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, CLOSED INVALID, New catalog in Koha
08:20 rangi        what does that even mean?
08:21 kf           no idea
08:21 rangi        marcelr++
08:21 marcelr      :)
08:21 kf           :)
08:30 * rangi      wonders if the rijkmuseum have library cards ? :)
08:30 rangi        rijksmuseum even
08:31 * kf         whispers marcelr
08:36 drojf        rangi: do people send you empty cards, or do you get actual accounts too? :)
08:36 magnuse      rangi: i'll see what i can do too
08:37 marcelr      hi rangi
08:39 rangi        hehe i dunno if any of the cards are live :)
08:39 kf           [off] i checked for the ones I send you - not in koha
08:41 rangi        heh
08:51 paul_p       good morning #koha. (I'm back to BibLibre office, so it's still morning ;-) )
08:51 marcelr      hi paul_p
08:51 magnuse      bonjour paul_p
08:51 magnuse      had a godd journey?
08:54 kf           hi paul_p
09:26 paul_p       magnuse yes, good journey, flights on time, nothing lost, not waiting too long at borders/security controls. and, best of all : no-one sitted on my right in the plane, good for having more room for my legs !
09:26 kf           :)
09:26 kf           sounds like perfect travel
09:26 kf           hope I will get that lucky on my way to marseille
09:33 rangi        @quote random
09:33 huginn       rangi: Quote #21: "<owen> I think we need more quotes!" (added by jdavidb at 04:18 PM, August 06, 2009)
09:34 kf           @quote random
09:34 huginn       kf: Quote #83: "<wizzyrea> you can watch the sunrise around the world in #koha" (added by druthb at 06:29 PM, July 13, 2010)
09:39 magnuse      paul_p: nice! always good to sit next to an empty seat!
10:19 vfernandes   hello :)
10:19 vfernandes   kf are you here?
10:21 kf           yes
10:28 vfernandes   hi... bug 9341
10:28 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9341 major, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Patch doesn't apply , Problem with UNIMARC authors facets
10:29 vfernandes   tell me what I need to do...
10:35 kf           oh
10:35 kf           sorry, got distracted
10:35 kf           it didn't apply for me
10:35 kf           if you could update your branch witht he patches to latest master and resend them, that might help
10:36 kf           a clean master branch, no other changes in between, that could be a reason too for the problem I think
10:41 vfernandes   ok...
10:41 vfernandes   i'll upload a new patch
10:46 vfernandes   done :) let me put the other patches obsolete
11:01 kf           vfernandes: I will try again then :)
11:02 vfernandes   thanks kf, kf++
11:02 vfernandes   it's nice to see my UNIMARC patches pass QA
11:03 vfernandes   they will be a very nice improvement for UNIMARC implementations
11:05 kf           vfernandes: :)
11:05 kf           vfernandes: hope I am testing right, but they looked safe and I am testing in an unimarc installation
11:06 vfernandes   When I had submitted those patches there wasn't patch submitting codelines
11:06 vfernandes   but you are testing right :)
11:06 kf           did you have to change a lot?
11:07 vfernandes   in what kf?
11:08 kf           in the patch :)
11:08 kf           I noticed that jonathan's sign off got lost and wonder how the best way to deal with it now is
11:09 vfernandes   of bug 9341? i've created a new clean branch and changed the files again, but the changes are the same
11:09 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9341 major, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Signed Off , Problem with UNIMARC authors facets
11:09 kf           hm I will test and maybe set to signed off - then jonthan could take another look
11:09 kf           I think they were blocked mostly becuse he signed off and it was unimarc
11:09 vfernandes   yes, I think that will be the correct aproach
11:16 vfernandes   one question: which is the correct way to apply translations? before I was runnig the script tmpl_proccess
11:16 kf           ah
11:16 kf           no, don't do that :)
11:17 kf           just change into the misc translator dirctory
11:17 kf           and run: perl translate install <langcode>
11:17 kf           oh
11:17 kf           vfernandes now I remember - I was wondering about your low percentage in the po files
11:17 kf           but you were gone by the time that I got to answer you
11:17 kf           (low translation percentage compared between 3.10 and 3.12)
11:17 kf           you said you got a complete translation of 3.10?
11:18 vfernandes   yes...
11:19 vfernandes   i remember your email but saidly I deleted it :/
11:20 kf           well it's strange because the percentage of german is much higher
11:20 kf           if I wrote you it's probably in the archives somewhere
11:20 kf           and on the wiki
11:20 wahanui      i heard on the wiki was more information about the packages
11:20 kf           languages?
11:20 wahanui      languages are just tools, you should pick the right one for the right job
11:20 kf           hm additional languages?
11:21 kf           vfernandes: see here for German - updates from a complete 3.10: http://translate.koha-community.org/de/312/
11:21 vfernandes   76%? damn that's nice :)
11:21 kf           Portughese is quite a bit lower
11:21 kf           so what I wanted to suggest to you for a test
11:22 kf           get a 3.10 staff po file
11:22 kf           and run perl translate update <langcode> on it
11:22 kf           and compare that to the one in pootle
11:22 vfernandes   okay... now i can't do that... but later i will test it
11:22 kf           maybe worth a try to see if there is a mistake
11:23 kf           you have to be on a master branch when you run it, just put the complete 3.10 files in the po directory
11:23 kf           and then run the command, it just does what the translation manager does :)
11:23 kf           it might be the files on pootle were not based on your completed files
11:24 vfernandes   maybe... thanks kf for all the help :)
11:24 kf           np hope it works
11:31 vkm          hello is it necessary to make hold limit nil in system preference if it is already set in circulation privilege different for different users group
11:31 vkm          because my hold limit always picks from system preference
11:32 kf           vkm: check bugzilla with the keyword maxreserves
11:32 kf           the max holds in circ matrix is not fully implemented
11:33 vkm          ok
12:44 jcamins_away Is anyone else having trouble accessing bugs.k-c.org?
12:45 marcelr      jcamins_away: hi and yes
12:46 jcamins      Well, as long as it's not me.
12:46 marcelr      :)
12:46 jcamins      rangi is still here, so the server isn't down.
12:46 marcelr      timing out now
12:48 kf           ithas been slow and a bit .... unstable for me since yesterday afternoon
12:48 kf           not sure what's up, maybe rangi can take a look at it tonight?
12:48 kf           it always came around after a bit
12:49 vfernandes   kf it's suppose appear "acquisitions.pref#OrderPdfFormat#" in the preferences translations?
12:49 kf           no :)
12:49 kf           the pref files are a bit different than other files to translate
12:49 kf           you leave out the comment part at the beginning
12:49 vfernandes   ohhh :D which is the command to translate?
12:49 kf           so delete all constructs like acquisitions.pref#OrderPdfFormat# from the translated strings
12:50 vfernandes   perl translate install pt-PT
12:50 kf           the command is the same, only have to translate them in pootle a bit differently
12:50 kf           look at other languages if you want to see what I mean :) german or french
12:50 vfernandes   really? :/
12:50 kf           yeah, the comments are there so they stay in order
12:51 vfernandes   ok... i'll edit the po files
12:51 kf           po files are ordered alphabetically, but syspref translation alphabetically woudl be quite a nightmare - because you are puzzling together sentences
12:51 kf           so the comments with the syspref name in front make it strings stay close together
12:51 kf           vfernandes: it shoudl be easy to fix
12:52 vfernandes   acquisitions.pref is translated to ""
12:52 vfernandes   ?
12:52 kf           hmm would have to check that one
12:52 kf           there is no # in it
12:52 kf           so maybe you translate that directly
12:52 kf           let me check german
12:53 kf           hm funny
12:53 kf           it's translated Erwerbung in german, which means acuisitions
12:53 kf           I think I assument something was missing
12:54 kf           acquisitions.pref Policy
12:54 kf           there only Policy was translated
12:54 vfernandes   ok thanks kf
13:32 tcohen       morning #koha
13:34 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9628' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7d7063ff03c0c950e127eef75af70f02644c1a18> / Bug 9628 - Replace YUI buttons and menus on budgets administration pages with Bootstrap <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8b648c94f936798b8f38a937b791c921da6c805f> / Merge branch 'bug_9627' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?
13:35 drojf        back
13:36 jenkins_koha Starting build #1052 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
13:38 kf           hey drojf - how is your homework?
13:39 drojf        [off] have been to a meeting with a professor, all fine so far. and my water is back already
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14:14 tcohen       @wunder cordoba, argentina
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14:19 tcohen       what did \W meant in perl regexpt?
14:19 jcamins      Not a word character.
14:19 kf           drojf: cool
14:19 tcohen       thanks jcamins
14:22 kf           @later tell oleonard we need more patches! :)
14:22 huginn       kf: The operation succeeded.
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14:24 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9646' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9f4069fb8ac37cf6fd9fcc5ebacac5176c31079f> / Bug 9646 - Replace YUI button on the printers administration page with Bootstrap <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d9deb165db1912c58bd085b46bf7f6ac7c9867e5> / Merge branch 'bug_9645' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.
14:24 kf           paul_p: I see dpavlin will be around? what about mglavica?
14:28 kf           paul_p: hm I will ask him :)
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14:42 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1052: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1052/
14:42 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 8906 - Improve OAI management interface
14:42 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 8906: Followup FIX hardcoded localhost url
14:42 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 8906: Followup replace 'Clear' with 'Delete'
14:42 jenkins_koha * Vitor FERNANDES: Bug 9395: Problem with callnumber and standard number searches
14:42 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9395: Increment version number
14:42 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8906 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Improve OAI management interface
14:42 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9648 - Replace YUI buttons on authorized values administration page with Bootstrap
14:42 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9616 - Replace YUI menu on patrons page with Bootstrap
14:42 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9619 - Replace YUI buttons on libraries administration page with Bootstrap
14:42 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9621 - Replace YUI menu on lists pages with Bootstrap
14:42 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9622 - Replace YUI button on MARC fameworks page with Bootstrap
14:42 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9395 major, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Pushed to Master , Problem with callnumber and standard number search in OPAC and Staff Client
14:42 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9623 - Replace YUI button on authority types administration page with Bootstrap
14:42 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9624 - Replace YUI button on reports dictionary page with Bootstrap
14:42 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9648 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI buttons on authorized values administration page with Bootstrap
14:42 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9627 - Replace YUI buttons and menus on serials pages with Bootstrap
14:42 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9628 - Replace YUI buttons and menus on budgets administration pages with Bootstrap
14:42 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9616 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI menu on patrons page with Bootstrap
14:42 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9619 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI buttons on libraries administration page with Bootstrap
14:42 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9621 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI menu on lists pages with Bootstrap
14:42 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9622 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on MARC frameworks page with Bootstrap
14:42 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9623 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on authority types administration page with Bootstrap
14:42 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9624 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on reports dictionary page with Bootstrap
14:42 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9627 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI buttons and menus on serials pages with Bootstrap
14:42 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9628 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI buttons and menus on budgets administration pages with Bootstrap
14:43 jenkins_koha Starting build #1053 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1051 2 days 23 hr ago)
14:44 kf           what, unstable??
14:44 drojf        too many buttons pushed
14:45 * drojf      puts 5€ into the bad pun jar
14:45 kf           you will get poor fust
14:45 kf           fast
14:45 drojf        heh
14:50 jcamins      kf: there was a syspref update.
14:50 kf           ah ok
15:19 tcohen       do we have a way to warn the user on the GUI?
15:19 jcamins      About what?
15:20 tcohen       i've found that if you write a SQL report calling an undefined authorised_value the GUI shows an empty dropdown menu
15:20 tcohen       the user should be warned when saving, or when about to run, not sure
15:21 tcohen       what do u think jcamins?
15:22 jcamins      Hm. I think probably on running.
15:22 jcamins      Someone might copy a report off the wiki before creating the authorized values.
15:22 tcohen       or simply havea typo
15:22 jcamins      Ah, true.
15:23 jcamins      What about both?
15:23 tcohen       heh
15:24 tcohen       i was revisiting the code to start writing for bug 9634
15:24 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9634 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Allow for parameters re-use on SQL reports
15:24 tcohen       should I fill another bug for this one?
15:24 jcamins      Yes.
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15:49 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1053: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1053/
15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9629 - Replace YUI button on patron category administration page with Bootstrap
15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9630 - Replace YUI button on cities and towns administration page with Bootstrap
15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9631 - Replace YUI buttons on classification sources administration page with Bootstrap
15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9632 - Replace YUI button on the currencies administration page with Bootstrap
15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9633 - Replace YUI button on the itemtypes administration page with Bootstrap
15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9635 - Replace YUI buttons on label batches pages with Bootstrap
15:49 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9629 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on patron category administration pages with Bootstrap
15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9636 - Replace YUI buttons on labels pages with Bootstrap
15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9637 - Replace YUI button on local use system preferences page with Bootstrap
15:49 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9630 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on cities and towns administration page with Bootstrap
15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9639 - Replace YUI button on MARC tag structure toolbar with Bootstrap
15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9640 - Replace YUI button on record matching rules page with Bootstrap
15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9641 - Replace YUI button on the Koha news management page with Bootstrap
15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9642 - Replace YUI button on the patron attribute types page with Bootstrap
15:49 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9631 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI buttons on classification sources administration page with Bootstrap
15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9643 - Replace YUI button on the road types administration page with Bootstrap
15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9644 - Replace YUI button on the suggestions management page with Bootstrap
15:49 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9632 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on the currencies administration page with Bootstrap
15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9645 - Replace YUI buttons on the quotes management page with Bootstrap
15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9646 - Replace YUI button on the printers administration page with Bootstrap
15:49 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9633 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on the itemtypes administration page with Bootstrap
15:49 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9635 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI buttons on label batches pages with Bootstrap
15:49 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9636 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI buttons on labels pages with Bootstrap
15:49 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9637 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on local use system preferences page with Bootstrap
15:49 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9639 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on MARC tag structure toolbar with Bootstrap
15:49 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9640 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on record matching rules page with Bootstrap
15:49 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9641 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on the Koha news management page with Bootstrap
15:49 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9642 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on the patron attribute types administration page with Bootstrap
15:49 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9643 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on the road types administration page with Bootstrap
15:49 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9644 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on the suggestions management page with Bootstrap
15:49 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9645 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI buttons on the quotes management page with Bootstrap
15:49 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9646 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI buttons on the printers administration page with Bootstrap
15:59 jcamins      Greetings, sekjal!
15:59 sekjal       hi, jcamins
16:00 * chris_n    shakes his fist at canonical
16:02 jcamins      How are things at UMass?
16:03 sekjal       going pretty well.  just got back from Code4Lib, and have lots of exciting projects to consider
16:03 jcamins      Does one of them give you more than 24 hours in a day?
16:03 jcamins      'Cause that would be really useful!
16:04 sekjal       no, I don't think that was discussed this year, not even in a lightning talk
16:04 jcamins      Aww.
16:04 jcamins      I could really use it, too.
16:04 sekjal       got an intro to Ruby on Rails, though
16:05 jcamins      sekjal: did they give you any hints on how to prevent libraries spontaneously becoming incompatible?
16:06 sekjal       no, we just did a very basic intro using the RailsBridge materials
16:06 bag          hey sekjal
16:06 sekjal       oh, and 0 evaluates to true
16:06 sekjal       in Ruby
16:06 sekjal       hey, bag!
16:06 jcamins      sekjal: like in Bourne shell? Weird.
16:07 sekjal       yeah... Code4Lib is huge on RoR, but I just can't get into it.  I have Perl and PHP, and that'll do pretty much anything I need
16:07 sekjal       but if I want to modify/understand some else's code, guess I need to learn it
16:08 * jcamins    is using PHP to write a cataloging system right now... first time in about a decade that I did something with PHP.
16:08 sekjal       bag:  beer #4 turned out really, really well!
16:09 bag          nice nice - I just did a maple brown yesterday
16:09 jcamins      What kind did you make?
16:09 sekjal       a dark brown ale with cinnamon.  tastes like raisin bread
16:10 bag          sounds interesting
16:10 bag          sekjal: that most important question…  Thinking about going to Reno?
16:10 reiveune     bye
16:12 sekjal       bag: considering it; got it on my calendar
16:12 sekjal       would need to figure out the funding and time off from work, though
16:12 bag          good great awesome!
16:12 sekjal       it'd be really awesome to see everyone
16:13 * kf         waves at sekjal
16:13 sekjal       hi, kf!
16:17 * sekjal     is cataloging his music, and trying not to freeze
16:17 jcamins      sekjal: in Koha? :)
16:17 sekjal       jcamins:  Musicbrainz for now, but I'll want to make full metadata records out of the ID3 tags (as well as authority entries for artists)
16:18 jcamins      Aww.
16:18 tcohen       jcamins, do we like switch statements in koha code?
16:18 jcamins      We like for () statements.
16:19 jcamins      use Switch is deprecated, and given/when is considered "experimental"
16:19 jcamins      Let me find the bug with the discussion.
16:20 jcamins      http://perldoc.perl.org/perlsyn.html#Switch-Statements
16:21 tcohen       ok, i won't refactor code then :-P
16:22 * tcohen     runs away just in case
16:22 jcamins      Hehe.
16:22 jcamins      If it will make your patch easier to understand, go ahead and refactor in a different patch.
16:23 jcamins      (i.e. two patches on the one bug)
16:25 kf           *sigh* stealth_mode--
16:26 jcamins      What's stealth mode?
16:27 kf           in our ticket system... it means my answer went nowhere
16:27 kf           it is good when you wnat to do bulk changes
16:27 jcamins      Ah.
16:27 kf           but it easy to forget to turn it off....
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17:30 mib_vi5nnw   hi
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18:13 Brooke       o/
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18:14 Brooke       ack
18:14 jcamins      lol
18:14 Morthland    Is there a guide to update Koha some where? I need to move from 3.8 to 3.10/
18:17 Morthland    I seem to recall it being real simple last time, but I cant find the documentation now]
18:17 jcamins      Morthland: look at the end of the install file.
18:17 jcamins      If you're using packages, it's even simpler.
18:18 jcamins      "Install new version."
18:18 jcamins      "Wait."
18:18 jcamins      "Reindex."
18:18 jcamins      "Enjoy."
18:20 Morthland    I'm on ubuntu, so no packages.
18:21 jcamins      Packages work fine on Ubuntu.
18:21 Morthland    You mean the end of the install file on the wiki
18:21 Morthland    ?
18:21 jcamins      No, there's a file called INSTALL.debian (which you read even for Ubuntu).
18:21 Morthland    Oh. I thought you had to be running Debian
18:21 Brooke       packages_+_Ubuntu++
18:21 jcamins      Nope.
18:21 jcamins      I use the packages on Ubuntu.
18:22 Brooke       and I am pleased that this has come to pass
18:22 jcamins      Wait, actually, I'm using Debian in production again. Ubuntu angered me.
18:22 Brooke       for yea, Ubuntu is teh awesome.
18:22 Morthland    Will it be a problem if I installed it without packages to use the package update?
18:22 * Brooke     is still grateful for packages + Ubuntu. So there :P
18:22 jcamins      You can switch from non-packages to packages, but it's not quite as simple.
18:22 jcamins      There's a guide somewhere on the wiki.
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18:28 maximep      oh, that's a cool new bot
18:31 cait         yep :)
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18:34 mib_k1ip5y   witch programing language is used to comunicate in z39.50 in koha
18:34 mib_k1ip5y   ?
18:35 jcamins      mib_k1ip5y: what do you mean?
18:35 jcamins      Z39.50 is a protocol.
18:38 mib_k1ip5y   yes I know but in client side some code must conect witch server z39.50
18:39 cait         the configuration is done in the gui - administration > z39.50 servers
18:40 jcamins      mib_k1ip5y: the answer to your question is probably either "Perl" or "C" but I don't understand your question.
18:40 jcamins      first question?
18:40 wahanui      "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
18:41 jcamins      ^^ mib_k1ip5y
18:44 mib_k1ip5y   I look for implement conection in .net but I can't find specification for this protocol
18:44 jcamins      Have you looked at how MarcEdit does it?
18:46 mib_k1ip5y   I test it but I need more info about z39.50
18:46 vfernandes   bye people :)
18:46 gaetan_B     bye !
18:46 jcamins      Right, but MarcEdit is written in .NET.
18:47 Morthland    Following the upgrade instructions, when I run $ perl Makefile.PL --prev-install-log /path/to/koha-install-log
18:47 Morthland    it starts a fresh install
18:47 jcamins      Did you try searching Google for "z39.50 .net client"? Because I found the answer to your question on the first result of the first page.
18:47 rangi        you did put the patch to the actual log eh?
18:47 jcamins      Morthland: you replaced /path/to/koha-install-log with the actual path?
18:47 rangi        heh
18:47 rangi        morning
18:48 cait         Morthland: it asks 2 questions - for icu and dom - maybe that's what you see?
18:48 Morthland    Yes, it is set to /usr/share/koha/misc/koha-install-log
18:49 Morthland    I Ctl-Ced out. Let me rerun it.
18:49 mib_k1ip5y   you think about yaz ?
18:50 Morthland    I see, "by default, Koha can be installed one of three ways, standard, single, dev
18:50 jcamins      mib_k1ip5y: http://jai-on-asp.blogspot.com/2010/01/z3950-client-in-cnet-using-zoomnet-and.html
18:52 rangi        http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon13_planning_meeting,_19_February_2013
18:52 cait         Morthland: m that does not look right
18:52 cait         Morthland: and the patch is correct to the log?
18:52 cait         s/patch/path
18:53 Morthland    I'm afraid I don't catch your meaning.
18:53 mib_k1ip5y   I test this code but when i serch in z39.50 i can't  use  marc21
18:53 cait         /usr/share/koha/misc/koha-install-log - is an existing file?
18:53 Morthland    yes
18:53 cait         hm
18:53 cait         not sure then
18:54 rangi        hmm, is that where a tarball install puts it? cos that looks like a package install location, but they might do the same
18:54 cait         I did run the make upgrade a little while back and it worked ok for me
18:54 rangi        open that file, what does it say?
18:54 rangi        should look like
18:54 rangi        KOHA_INSTALLED_VERSION=3.10.02.000
18:54 rangi        LOG_DIR=/var/log/koha
18:54 rangi        DB_TYPE=mysql
18:55 rangi        (numbers and paths different)
18:55 Morthland    That's what I've got.
18:55 Morthland    For 3.08.03
18:55 rangi        what does it say for WEBMASTER_EMAIL ?
18:56 Morthland    webmaster@LibraryServer
18:56 rangi        right, so yep that looks ok
18:56 Morthland    should I move the file?
18:56 rangi        no
18:56 cait         rangi: could it be something related to permissions? the file can't be read or something?
18:56 Morthland    I'm running the command sudo
18:57 rangi        heres what i get running it here
18:57 rangi        6307 koha:f5220e4!? %  perl Makefile.PL --prev-install-log /usr/share/koha/misc/koha-install-log
18:57 rangi        Reading values from install log /usr/share/koha/misc/koha-install-log.  You
18:57 rangi        will be prompted only for settings that have been
18:58 Morthland    I see my problem
18:58 Morthland    Facepalm
18:58 Morthland    I'm running the flag --prev--instal--log
18:59 Morthland    That fixed it
18:59 jcamins      rangi: "!?" ?
18:59 jcamins      Changed and...
18:59 Morthland    It'
19:00 Morthland    It's listed a bunch of perl dependencies, I should install these before running make?
19:01 * cait       hands Morthland the cookie tin
19:01 cait         it's a monday problem
19:01 rangi        changed and not synced
19:02 jcamins      Ah, nifty.
19:04 Morthland    Some of these dependencies I'm sure I have, MooseX::Types, for example. I guess they are just out of date
19:05 rangi        thats not required anyway, just optional
19:05 cait         Morthland: I tink you only need that if you wanted to switch on solr
19:05 rangi        so id ignore that
19:05 cait         yeah, I did so far
19:05 * rangi      goes to take the kids to school
19:05 cait         bye rangi
20:23 rangi        back
20:25 cait         wb
20:28 cait         hi kathryn
20:28 kathryn      hi cait!
20:29 rangi        well maybe bgkriegel or tcohen will understand that email, because I dont
20:29 jcamins      Heh.
20:30 wizzyrea     hehe
20:31 drojf        my guess is "can i put my ebooks (as in files) into koha", but not sure
20:47 bgkriegel    hi
20:51 rangi        hi bgkriegel
20:51 bgkriegel    Hi rangi. I wrote to him (in spanish) that his email was not understandable (was reading the irc logs)
20:51 wizzyrea     bgkriegel++
20:52 wizzyrea     always better when people can get help in their native language anyway :)
20:52 bgkriegel    yeah :)
21:18 Morthland    As of update to 3.10, receiving this error at opac:
21:19 Morthland    Can't locate DateTime/Format/MySQL.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/share/koha/lib /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.14.2 /usr/local/share/perl/5.14.2 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.14 /usr/share/perl/5.14 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Koha.pm line 30. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Koha.pm li
21:19 wizzyrea     yep, you probably need to install the new dependency
21:19 wizzyrea     libdatetime-format-perl
21:20 rangi        thats where the packages rule :) they pull all those in for you
21:21 Morthland    It wont let me install the dependency
21:21 Morthland    Says the test is failing
21:21 Morthland    if I apt-get install, will that fix?
21:21 rangi        yes
21:22 rangi        always apt-get install
21:22 rangi        only use CPAN as utter last resort
21:22 Morthland    Good to know
21:22 rangi        because if you use CPAN you have to remember to watch all the bug trackers and watch for security updates and upgrade etc
21:22 rangi        packagers take care of that for you
21:22 rangi        and debian security team (who ubuntu shamelessy use :))
21:23 Morthland    I got Unable to locate package
21:23 rangi        libdatetime-format-mysql-perl
21:23 rangi        is the name
21:24 Morthland    is that the standard naming scheme for Perl Packages?
21:24 cait         :)
21:24 jcamins      Yes.
21:25 Morthland    now I get forwarded to the maintenence page
21:25 wizzyrea     yep, now you need to hit the intranet and do your DB update
21:26 Morthland    Gotchya
21:26 Morthland    Thanks.
21:29 Morthland    This has been a much trickier upgrade then my upgrade from 3.2 to 3.8. I ought to switch to packages.
21:29 wizzyrea     the packages do handle many of the more unpleasant upgrade tasks for you
21:29 jcamins      The only one they don't handle is deciding whether or not to upgrade, in fact.
21:31 Morthland    My only issue is that I run a hacked up version of koha.
21:32 rangi        you can build your own packages
21:32 jcamins      That's what I do.
21:32 * jcamins    also runs a hacked-up version.
21:32 Morthland    Like when LCCN wasn't an available Z3950 query, we changed that script
21:32 jcamins      Well, not so much hacked-up as, I aggressively backport bugfixes.
21:33 rangi        or better yet, submit patches :)
21:33 * jcamins    does that.
21:33 jcamins      All the patches I run are in _a_ version of Koha.
21:33 Morthland    I submitted that patch.
21:34 Morthland    Takes a while.
21:34 jcamins      (which is to say, you can do it!)
21:34 bgkriegel    jcamins: what version are you running?
21:34 jcamins      bgkriegel: 3.6.10ish.
21:34 jcamins      + a bunch of fixes and a few enhancements from 3.8 and 3.10
21:35 bgkriegel    hacked-up already :)
21:35 jcamins      Hehe.
21:43 cait         good night all :)
21:43 bgkriegel    night cait
22:50 alohabot     Hi mib_vozrm0, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
22:50 mib_vozrm0   what are some good irc chennals?
22:51 wizzyrea     well obv ours is the best one :P
22:52 bgkriegel    :)
22:54 * jcamins    proceeds to get "Seven-and-a-half cents" stuck in Shari's head.
22:54 * dcook      concurs