Time Nick Message 00:21 mveron Good night all 00:22 mveron :quit 00:31 dcook Random question for anyone who has a moment 00:31 dcook How does Koha store user-generated help data? 00:31 dcook When they're editing the help pages on the staff client? 00:40 dcook Nvm 00:40 dcook Looks like Koha re-writes the actual templates 00:58 bgkriegel dcook: yes, and prints a warning if webserver can't write the file 00:58 dcook Yeah, I saw that with my dev install ;) 01:21 * dcook just noticed the 60 patch emails sitting in his patches folder. 01:21 dcook Looks like Owen has been busy... 01:21 dcook You too, bgkriegel :p 01:21 bgkriegel :) 01:22 bgkriegel and cait too 01:23 schnydsch good morning koha community. we're using koha 3.8.5 in debian installation.is there a limit in items in a bibliographic record?one bibliographic record we have has 690 items.before that days before, the biblio record and its items are working good but now when I'm seaching it comes out as No Title, and when I click it it has no biblionumber. When I search.. 01:23 schnydsch ..its supposed biblionumber, what comes out is "The record you requested does not exist (). I have cron job -z -b -a running every 3 minutes 01:24 bgkriegel do you know the biblionumber (koha internal number) 01:24 bgkriegel ? 01:24 schnydsch yeah 01:25 jcamins_away schnydsch: the problem is with indexing. 01:25 jcamins_away If you use -x when indexing, it will start showing up again. 01:25 schnydsch I have -z -b -a running every 3 minutes 01:25 jcamins_away Right, that won't work. 01:25 jcamins_away It has to be -z -b -a -x 01:25 jcamins_away And you'll have to rebuild the indexes with -b -a -r -x first 01:26 schnydsch ok i'll try that first. 01:26 schnydsch -x -b was working for me then.. but haven't tried -b -a -r -x 01:27 jcamins_away You have to rebuild the indexes... mixing some entries with -x and some entries without gets messy. 01:28 bgkriegel -x is not for biblios only? 01:29 jcamins_away Not since 3.8.3ish. 01:29 jcamins_away Good point. 01:29 jcamins_away schnydsch: what version? 01:29 wahanui version is always noted in a comment on top 01:29 jcamins_away You may have to rebuild just biblios, and have two cronjobs instead of just one. 01:29 schnydsch 3.8.5 01:29 schnydsch jcamins, what cronjobs are those? 01:29 jcamins_away It doesn't matter. 01:29 schnydsch i have -z -b -a 01:30 jcamins_away Right, you need to change it to -z -b -a -x 01:30 jcamins_away If you were using an old version, you would have needed two: -z -b -x and -z -a 01:30 jcamins_away But you have a recent version. 01:31 schnydsch ok thanks. i'll rebuild first with -b -a -r -x. then -z -b -a -x 01:31 eythian jcamins_away: can we use -x with authorities now? 01:32 jcamins_away Since 3.8.3ish. 01:33 dcook Which bug changed that? 01:33 bgkriegel just tried and works, but help still said "only for biblios" 01:33 eythian oh cool. I should update the package scripts so they let that work. 01:33 jcamins_away DOM indexing. 01:33 wahanui dom indexing is a lot faster than GRS-1. 01:33 jcamins_away bgkriegel: heh, yeah, the help should probably be updated then. 01:34 dcook Hmm. Cool. 01:35 bgkriegel but this is only for DOM? my install use grs-1 and also works 01:35 jcamins_away No. 01:35 jcamins_away -x always worked with GRS-1. 01:36 bgkriegel ah, ok 01:36 jcamins_away It just didn't work with DOM and we didn't have a way of checking, so it was disabled for authorities. 01:39 bgkriegel dcook: bug 7818 01:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7818 critical, P1 - high, ---, robin, Pushed to Stable , support DOM mode for Zebra indexing of bibliographic records 01:39 jcamins_away That's the one. 01:40 eythian why's that got my name on it? 01:40 dcook Looks like it was assigned to you? 01:40 schnydsch i still get The record you requested does not exist (). 01:40 eythian Weird. 01:41 jcamins_away Very weird. 01:41 bgkriegel schnydsch: how are you trying to access it? 01:41 jcamins_away And it's showing up in search results? 01:42 schnydsch it does not show when I search particular barcode/accession no. 01:42 schnydsch what shows is The record you requested does not exist (). 01:42 jcamins_away When does that show? 01:42 schnydsch the title is Supreme Court Reports Annotated 01:42 jcamins_away Are you trying to directly access the record? 01:43 jcamins_away So if you go to /cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=XXXXX what happens? 01:43 schnydsch when i search the barcode/acc. no., there is no biblionumber on URL 01:44 schnydsch with /cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=XXXXX it's there 01:44 jcamins_away Very odd. 01:44 jcamins_away I've seen that problem before, and it is fixed by adding -x 01:45 jcamins_away So there must be an additional issue here. 01:45 jcamins_away And I can't think what it could be. 01:45 schnydsch when i search the biblionumber in catalog, The record you requested does not exist (). and the biblionumber in URL is blank 01:46 schnydsch yeah, it was working before the biblio record had only 500 or less items 01:46 schnydsch but when I got up 600 yesterday through merging I got that mess 01:46 jcamins_away I'm sorry, I don't have any more suggestions if rebuilding zebra with -x didn't fix the problem. 01:46 schnydsch could this be a bug? does anybody in the group have biblio records more than 600? 01:47 schnydsch i mean biblio records with more that 600 items? 01:47 rangi yep, fixed with -x 01:47 jcamins_away schnydsch: yes, many, many libraries. 01:47 jcamins_away All of whom have it working with -x. 01:47 schnydsch <rangi> you mean -b -a -r -x? 01:48 rangi yup 01:48 jcamins_away You run rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r -x *once* 01:48 rangi iso2709 has a size limit 01:48 jcamins_away During that time, you need the cron job to be disabled. 01:48 rangi marcxml doesnt 01:48 jcamins_away Then, when you go in to re-enable the cron job, you add "-x" to the end of the command line. 01:48 schnydsch lemme try again, maybe -z -b -a got along the way 02:18 schnydsch i did what u told me jcamins but still got the same error.. hhmm.. 02:20 bgkriegel schnydsch: if you search for the title, get no results? 02:29 bgkriegel bye 02:30 schnydsch <bgkriegel> other biblio records with the same title are the results, but i cannot find the exact title 02:49 dcook bag, khall, libsysguy: Can you explain this blog post to me a bit? http://bywatersolutions.com/2013/02/08/rda/ 02:50 dcook While a RDA framework will show RDA tags in the cataloguing module, it won't show them on any templates, right? 02:50 dcook Unless perhaps one is using XSLT? 02:50 libsysguy dcook 02:50 libsysguy you'd probably have to ask talljoy 02:50 libsysguy when she is around 02:50 libsysguy probably tuesday 02:51 libsysguy or I think rangi had a similar post 02:51 wizzyrea They probably need to be added to the xlst stylesheets 02:51 wizzyrea xls?? xsl. 02:51 dcook Yeah, I saw rangi's post about frameworks, although I'm not quite sure that it's entirely correct 02:52 dcook The more I look at RDA, the more I think that Koha can't actually handle it without editing 02:52 rangi in what way? 02:54 dcook Well, the RDA framework that you put up does include more tags (like 336, 337, 338), but these needs to be manually added to the XSLTs or the TT templates need to be updated to show this information 02:54 rangi you can use custom xslt, you can pick what xslt you want, in the sysprefs 02:54 dcook That's what I mean though. It needs to be customized. 02:54 dcook Typically by non-users 02:54 rangi yes, whenever anyone figures out what to do with them 02:54 dcook There is that ;) 02:54 rangi because currently the data is of no value at all to any user 02:54 rangi cept maybe some librarians 02:54 dcook Although lookings at 336, 337, 338...I could see them as being additions to the extent 02:54 wizzyrea if you know what to do with it I'm sure a patch would be welcome 02:55 rangi but if you are cataloguing for librarians 02:55 rangi you are doing it wrong 02:55 rangi thats my whole beef with RDA 02:55 dcook Good point, rangi 02:55 rangi it doesnt provide any value to me as a library user at all 02:55 dcook This page (http://www.loc.gov/marc/RDAinMARC.html) mentionst that MARC already contained most of these codes 02:55 rangi yep 02:55 dcook For reading by machines rather than people. 336, 337, 338 definitely look like they're for librarians 02:55 dcook Agreed 02:56 rangi exactly 02:56 rangi thats why i did the framework 02:56 dcook They do seem like they could be useful as search limiters...maybe 02:56 rangi so you could store it 02:56 rangi and search it 02:56 dcook But that's why we have item types :/ 02:56 dcook Your framework needs a little edit ;) 02:56 dcook All the fields in 338 have a max length of 0 02:56 dcook subfields* 02:56 dcook Search it? 02:56 dcook Mmm, with the xslt 02:56 rangi but i couldnt figure out any way to use display them in any useful fashion so someone else can 02:56 rangi if we store it, we can search it 02:57 dcook Fair enough 02:57 dcook How are they indexed? 02:57 rangi they aren't yet 02:57 rangi because you'd have to make a whole new dropdown to search them 02:58 rangi cos no one is going to know the jargon 02:58 dcook So we can't really search them yet 02:58 rangi with about 5 mins work we could 02:58 dcook Admittedly, carrier type, content type, media type do seem a bit...redundant 02:58 rangi if that provided any value at all 02:58 dcook True 02:58 dcook But that's my point ;) 02:58 dcook Is that "if" someone needed it, there is still work to do 02:58 rangi yep 30 mins 02:59 rangi there is yet to be someone who needs it though 02:59 rangi seriously it was just to prove to the nat lib that storing rda isnt hard 02:59 rangi but it is pointless 02:59 dcook True, so far everyone seems to be asking yes or no questions 02:59 dcook I don't know "why" people want it 02:59 rangi exactly 02:59 * wizzyrea suspects they don't either 02:59 dcook I do like the FRBR idea, but that doesn't seem to be anywhere yet either 02:59 * dcook agrees with wizzyrea 03:00 rangi if you have the framework you can tick the box 03:00 rangi no one knows why you'd want to 03:00 rangi but you can 03:01 dcook True enough 03:01 dcook I know a few librarians who seem to be pretty into RDA. I must make a note to ask them questions about why they use it again... 03:02 wizzyrea because it's NEW and EXCITING and DIFFERENT 03:02 dcook Myself and some classmates had a hard time seeing the benefit of RDA when an RDA trainer did a seminar for one of our classes in 2011 03:02 dcook hehe 03:02 wizzyrea it took AGES to figure out 03:03 wizzyrea :) so mostly I think, it's just a long awaited snooze of a change 03:03 rangi you wait until they start getting excited about bibframe instead 03:04 dcook Well, they were pretty excited about bibframe too :p 03:04 * dcook knows he gets the bibframe emails and stores them somewhere... 03:04 rangi http://bibframe.org/ 03:05 dcook Ahhh 03:05 rangi http://bibframe.org/contribute/ 03:05 * dcook now recalls some of the arguments on the bibframe listserv 03:05 rangi thats funny 03:05 rangi The MARC standard is responsible for the creation of millions of bibliographic records from all parts of the globe. 03:05 rangi thats not how i remember it 03:05 rangi im pretty sure the cataloguers had some part to play 03:06 wizzyrea hehe 03:06 dcook what the... 03:06 wahanui it has been said that the is a stop word 03:06 rangi s/creation/storage/ 03:06 rangi and that sentence makes sense 03:06 dcook No doubt, wahanui. No doubt... 03:06 rangi and therein lies in the ENTIRE problem 03:06 rangi storage mechanism, should not be entry or display 03:07 rangi confusing them is what got us into this mess :) 03:09 dcook truer words, eh? 03:09 dcook I was hanging out with a friend the other night and trying to explain library technology. 03:10 dcook There were quite a few "yeah, I know it would be better if...but..." 03:10 rangi @quote get 123 03:10 wahanui http://xkcd.com/1172/ 03:10 huginn rangi: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 03:10 * dcook loves that quote 03:11 dcook I brought up that xkcd as well actually :p 03:11 rangi :) 03:11 dcook She knew it well ;) 03:13 dcook Je ne sais pas...on one hand, I've used non-MARC systems that worked great for that individual institution 03:13 dcook Until they had to migrate their data...that's when MARC came in super handy 03:13 dcook individual institution = special library 03:13 rangi yep 03:13 dcook On the other hand, MARC is...MARC 03:13 rangi no human should ever have to see it 03:13 dcook I also dislike how RDA tries to combine AACR2 changes and MARC changes 03:14 dcook It's like the whole "don't submit a patch with whitespace changes" 03:14 rangi yeah 03:14 rangi exactly 03:14 dcook AACR2 and MARC are already conflated more than enough as it is... 03:14 dcook Agreed. Poor humans.. 03:14 rangi http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2004/03/31/the-m-in-marc-is-for-mental/ 03:14 dcook http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/11/why-people-really-love-technology-an-interview-with-genevieve-bell/265596/ 03:15 dcook They said, "You don't understand. The robots are our friends." 03:15 dcook Mmmm, great blog post 03:18 dcook I mean yours, rangi :p 03:18 mtj i think the people that are really excited about RDA are the trainers and documentation publishers 03:19 schnydszch excuse me koha community, what does this mean: Error exporting record 93569 (biblio) XML at /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl line 395 03:19 wahanui schnydszch: Failure to adjust for daylight savings time. 03:20 schnydszch i run -b -w -v 03:20 schnydszch actually I also got this yesterday I think. there could be something wrong with my record? but I can't figure it out 03:20 rangi have a look at the marcxml column of biblioitems for that record 03:22 schnydszch <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> <record xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xsi:schemaLocation="http://www.loc.gov/MARC21/slim http://www.loc.gov/standards/marcxml/schema/MARC21slim.xsd" xmlns="http://www.loc.gov/MARC21/slim"> <leader>00468nam a2200169Ia 4500</leader> <controlfield tag="008">110402s9999 xx 03:22 schnydszch http://mibpaste.com/BxaCVg 03:22 wizzyrea excuse? 03:22 wahanui wizzyrea: The rolling stones concert down the road caused a brown out 03:22 * wizzyrea giggles 03:23 schnydszch <wizzyrea> coz i see in the conversation you're talking about interesting topic RDA :) 03:24 schnydszch the one in mibpaste is the marcxml of my record, could there be something wrong? 03:24 rangi that looks ok, you could try running the rebuild with -k 03:25 rangi that will not delete the records then you can look in /tmp and see what it looks like exported 03:25 dcook mtj: I think you're right. Nothing like writing up a "new" secret code and then selling access to it for an arm and a leg 03:27 schnydszch <rangi> add -k to -b -w- -v? 03:27 schnydszch <rangi> add -k to -b -w -v? 03:30 rangi thats right 03:30 rangi hmm no -w 03:30 rangi you need -x 03:32 * rangi has to go 04:03 wizzyrea later peps 04:06 gmcharlt @quote random 04:06 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #220: "jcamins: Facebook may not like unspecified relationships, but rare books catalogers do!" (added by wizzyrea at 06:41 PM, October 19, 2012) 04:10 dcook For once, librarian humour that I don't actually get :p 04:19 schnydszch tnx <rangi> 04:30 dcook How does one generate templates from PO files again? 04:30 dcook translate install xx-XX? 04:30 dcook from the misc/translator directory? 04:30 dcook or "perl install xx-XX", I suppose? 04:31 dcook Aha! http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Installation_of_additional_languages_for_OPAC_and_INTRANET_staff_client 04:43 alohabot Hi mib_lc60qq, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 05:40 dcook hi cait :) 05:41 cait hi dcook :) 05:49 dcook Good sleep? ;) 05:49 dcook I only include the ;) because I just realized that I was at work the whole time you were sleeping O_o. You don't sleep enough :p 05:49 cait um... 05:52 * dcook realizes that he's actually been sitting at his desk for way too long 05:52 cait that's the other side :) 05:52 * dcook goes back to looking at opac tags 06:12 bigbrovar . 07:08 * magnuse waves 07:08 cait hi magnuse :) 07:09 magnuse hiya cait 07:09 cait morning magnuse 07:09 magnuse 4 weeks/1 month until marseille 07:09 cait hehe 07:09 cait that's super cool 07:10 cait and scary because it means we are done with that versionso soon! 07:10 magnuse gah! too true! 07:11 magnuse i should try and get the digital signs ready for submission 07:12 magnuse i'm actually going to dedicate next weekend to that 07:12 cait ! 07:14 cait morning drojf 07:14 magnuse nengard++ for volunteering 07:14 drojf good morning #koha 07:14 magnuse moin drojf 07:14 drojf hi cait 07:14 drojf hei magnuse 07:14 magnuse @wunder berlin 07:14 huginn magnuse: Error: No such location could be found. 07:14 magnuse @wunder berlin, germany 07:14 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 1.4°C (7:43 AM CET on February 18, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). 07:15 magnuse @wunder marseille 07:15 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 8.0°C (8:00 AM CET on February 18, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising). 07:15 magnuse ooh nice 07:15 magnuse @wunder konstanz 07:15 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 0.0°C (8:00 AM CET on February 18, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1021 hPa (Rising). 07:15 drojf "clear". i would like that 07:15 magnuse @wunder boo 07:15 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 0.0°C (7:50 AM CET on February 18, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 07:15 drojf we only change between light grey and dark grey 07:15 magnuse hey konstanz = bodø! 07:15 drojf lol 07:17 magnuse they promise us +5 in a few days 07:18 drojf [off] water in the house is turned off for some maintenance. for 10h! wtf. yeah for working at home :/ 07:18 magnuse [off] ouch! 07:19 drojf ha, up to 8° at the end of the month 07:20 drojf and rain and snow :D 07:23 magnuse snow and +8? 07:23 drojf 0-8°. so i guess snow in the night, rain and mud by day 07:23 cait snow has thawed here 07:23 cait and I cansee some sun 07:24 cait and I have headache because it probably wasn't supposed to be so nice so fast 07:24 drojf aaaw. that sun people talk about. what does it look like? :) 07:24 drojf i'll take your sun if that helps your head 07:26 cait ok deal 07:26 cait do you come by to collect it? 07:26 drojf i thought you could fedex it? 07:27 cait if you pay for the postage... 07:28 cait but it looks kinda big 07:28 drojf maybe i can find a company that specializes in sunsportation services. they will know better how to deliver it 07:29 cait lol 07:30 magnuse pf, stretch out your arm and you can probably cover all of it with your thumb. how big can it be? 07:30 drojf [off] | Sun Transportation Services | Email CEO @suntransportation.com 07:30 drojf lol 07:36 dcook All right. Finally turning in for the night. Ta, #koha! 07:36 cait heh 07:36 cait it's big,.... we will need a long ladder too 07:37 cait maybe we could do something with a big miror 07:37 cait instead of moving it 07:39 alex_a bonjour 07:39 wahanui niihau, alex_a 07:39 magnuse kia ora alex_a 07:39 cait hi alex_a 07:46 alex_a salut cait magnuse :) 07:48 reiveune hello 07:48 magnuse bonjour reiveune 07:48 reiveune hi cait, magnuse :) 07:49 cait why do you always see your typos while bugzilla is saving it already? :( 07:50 magnuse :-) 07:50 marcelr hi koha 07:50 cait morning marcelr 07:50 cait and bbl :) 07:51 marcelr hi cait 07:51 marcelr cait++ for qa 07:51 cait thx :) 07:51 * cait runs out 07:53 magnuse bgkriegel++ for signing off bug 9498 07:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9498 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Signed Off , Update encoding for Norwegian sample Z39.50 servers 08:00 marcelr hi magnuse 08:00 magnuse hiya marcelr 08:02 drojf hi marcelr 08:04 asaurat hi 08:04 wahanui privet, asaurat 08:06 gaetan_B hello 08:06 marcelr hi drojf gaetan_B 08:20 rangi hmm bug 9657 08:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9657 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, CLOSED INVALID, New catalog in Koha 08:20 rangi what does that even mean? 08:21 kf no idea 08:21 rangi marcelr++ 08:21 marcelr :) 08:21 kf :) 08:30 * rangi wonders if the rijkmuseum have library cards ? :) 08:30 rangi rijksmuseum even 08:31 * kf whispers marcelr 08:36 drojf rangi: do people send you empty cards, or do you get actual accounts too? :) 08:36 magnuse rangi: i'll see what i can do too 08:37 marcelr hi rangi 08:39 rangi hehe i dunno if any of the cards are live :) 08:39 kf [off] i checked for the ones I send you - not in koha 08:41 rangi heh 08:51 paul_p good morning #koha. (I'm back to BibLibre office, so it's still morning ;-) ) 08:51 marcelr hi paul_p 08:51 magnuse bonjour paul_p 08:51 magnuse had a godd journey? 08:54 kf hi paul_p 09:26 paul_p magnuse yes, good journey, flights on time, nothing lost, not waiting too long at borders/security controls. and, best of all : no-one sitted on my right in the plane, good for having more room for my legs ! 09:26 kf :) 09:26 kf sounds like perfect travel 09:26 kf hope I will get that lucky on my way to marseille 09:33 rangi @quote random 09:33 huginn rangi: Quote #21: "<owen> I think we need more quotes!" (added by jdavidb at 04:18 PM, August 06, 2009) 09:34 kf @quote random 09:34 huginn kf: Quote #83: "<wizzyrea> you can watch the sunrise around the world in #koha" (added by druthb at 06:29 PM, July 13, 2010) 09:39 magnuse paul_p: nice! always good to sit next to an empty seat! 10:19 vfernandes hello :) 10:19 vfernandes kf are you here? 10:21 kf yes 10:28 vfernandes hi... bug 9341 10:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9341 major, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Patch doesn't apply , Problem with UNIMARC authors facets 10:29 vfernandes tell me what I need to do... 10:35 kf oh 10:35 kf sorry, got distracted 10:35 kf it didn't apply for me 10:35 kf if you could update your branch witht he patches to latest master and resend them, that might help 10:36 kf a clean master branch, no other changes in between, that could be a reason too for the problem I think 10:41 vfernandes ok... 10:41 vfernandes i'll upload a new patch 10:46 vfernandes done :) let me put the other patches obsolete 11:01 kf vfernandes: I will try again then :) 11:02 vfernandes thanks kf, kf++ 11:02 vfernandes it's nice to see my UNIMARC patches pass QA 11:03 vfernandes they will be a very nice improvement for UNIMARC implementations 11:05 kf vfernandes: :) 11:05 kf vfernandes: hope I am testing right, but they looked safe and I am testing in an unimarc installation 11:06 vfernandes When I had submitted those patches there wasn't patch submitting codelines 11:06 vfernandes but you are testing right :) 11:06 kf did you have to change a lot? 11:07 vfernandes in what kf? 11:08 kf in the patch :) 11:08 kf I noticed that jonathan's sign off got lost and wonder how the best way to deal with it now is 11:09 vfernandes of bug 9341? i've created a new clean branch and changed the files again, but the changes are the same 11:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9341 major, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Signed Off , Problem with UNIMARC authors facets 11:09 kf hm I will test and maybe set to signed off - then jonthan could take another look 11:09 kf I think they were blocked mostly becuse he signed off and it was unimarc 11:09 vfernandes yes, I think that will be the correct aproach 11:16 vfernandes one question: which is the correct way to apply translations? before I was runnig the script tmpl_proccess 11:16 kf ah 11:16 kf no, don't do that :) 11:17 kf just change into the misc translator dirctory 11:17 kf and run: perl translate install <langcode> 11:17 kf oh 11:17 kf vfernandes now I remember - I was wondering about your low percentage in the po files 11:17 kf but you were gone by the time that I got to answer you 11:17 kf (low translation percentage compared between 3.10 and 3.12) 11:17 kf you said you got a complete translation of 3.10? 11:18 vfernandes yes... 11:19 vfernandes i remember your email but saidly I deleted it :/ 11:20 kf well it's strange because the percentage of german is much higher 11:20 kf if I wrote you it's probably in the archives somewhere 11:20 kf and on the wiki 11:20 wahanui i heard on the wiki was more information about the packages 11:20 kf languages? 11:20 wahanui languages are just tools, you should pick the right one for the right job 11:20 kf hm additional languages? 11:21 kf vfernandes: see here for German - updates from a complete 3.10: http://translate.koha-community.org/de/312/ 11:21 vfernandes 76%? damn that's nice :) 11:21 kf Portughese is quite a bit lower 11:21 kf so what I wanted to suggest to you for a test 11:22 kf get a 3.10 staff po file 11:22 kf and run perl translate update <langcode> on it 11:22 kf and compare that to the one in pootle 11:22 vfernandes okay... now i can't do that... but later i will test it 11:22 kf maybe worth a try to see if there is a mistake 11:23 kf you have to be on a master branch when you run it, just put the complete 3.10 files in the po directory 11:23 kf and then run the command, it just does what the translation manager does :) 11:23 kf it might be the files on pootle were not based on your completed files 11:24 vfernandes maybe... thanks kf for all the help :) 11:24 kf np hope it works 11:31 vkm hello is it necessary to make hold limit nil in system preference if it is already set in circulation privilege different for different users group 11:31 vkm because my hold limit always picks from system preference 11:32 kf vkm: check bugzilla with the keyword maxreserves 11:32 kf the max holds in circ matrix is not fully implemented 11:33 vkm ok 12:44 jcamins_away Is anyone else having trouble accessing bugs.k-c.org? 12:45 marcelr jcamins_away: hi and yes 12:46 jcamins Well, as long as it's not me. 12:46 marcelr :) 12:46 jcamins rangi is still here, so the server isn't down. 12:46 marcelr timing out now 12:48 kf ithas been slow and a bit .... unstable for me since yesterday afternoon 12:48 kf not sure what's up, maybe rangi can take a look at it tonight? 12:48 kf it always came around after a bit 12:49 vfernandes kf it's suppose appear "acquisitions.pref#OrderPdfFormat#" in the preferences translations? 12:49 kf no :) 12:49 kf the pref files are a bit different than other files to translate 12:49 kf you leave out the comment part at the beginning 12:49 vfernandes ohhh :D which is the command to translate? 12:49 kf so delete all constructs like acquisitions.pref#OrderPdfFormat# from the translated strings 12:50 vfernandes perl translate install pt-PT 12:50 kf the command is the same, only have to translate them in pootle a bit differently 12:50 kf look at other languages if you want to see what I mean :) german or french 12:50 vfernandes really? :/ 12:50 kf yeah, the comments are there so they stay in order 12:51 vfernandes ok... i'll edit the po files 12:51 kf po files are ordered alphabetically, but syspref translation alphabetically woudl be quite a nightmare - because you are puzzling together sentences 12:51 kf so the comments with the syspref name in front make it strings stay close together 12:51 kf vfernandes: it shoudl be easy to fix 12:52 vfernandes acquisitions.pref is translated to "" 12:52 vfernandes ? 12:52 kf hmm would have to check that one 12:52 kf there is no # in it 12:52 kf so maybe you translate that directly 12:52 kf let me check german 12:53 kf hm funny 12:53 kf it's translated Erwerbung in german, which means acuisitions 12:53 kf I think I assument something was missing 12:54 kf acquisitions.pref Policy 12:54 kf there only Policy was translated 12:54 vfernandes ok thanks kf 13:32 tcohen morning #koha 13:34 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9628' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7d7063ff03c0c950e127eef75af70f02644c1a18> / Bug 9628 - Replace YUI buttons and menus on budgets administration pages with Bootstrap <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8b648c94f936798b8f38a937b791c921da6c805f> / Merge branch 'bug_9627' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/? 13:35 drojf back 13:36 jenkins_koha Starting build #1052 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 13:38 kf hey drojf - how is your homework? 13:39 drojf [off] have been to a meeting with a professor, all fine so far. and my water is back already 14:14 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @BibLibre: "Bilan à un mois de la HackFest Koha à #BibLibre - http://t.co/zXFXn8RH #HFK13 #kohails" 14:14 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina 14:14 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 16.0°C (11:00 AM ART on February 18, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). 14:19 tcohen what did \W meant in perl regexpt? 14:19 jcamins Not a word character. 14:19 kf drojf: cool 14:19 tcohen thanks jcamins 14:22 kf @later tell oleonard we need more patches! :) 14:22 huginn kf: The operation succeeded. 14:22 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails À un mois de la HackFest Koha... http://t.co/elYlRJIP" 14:24 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9646' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9f4069fb8ac37cf6fd9fcc5ebacac5176c31079f> / Bug 9646 - Replace YUI button on the printers administration page with Bootstrap <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d9deb165db1912c58bd085b46bf7f6ac7c9867e5> / Merge branch 'bug_9645' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha. 14:24 kf paul_p: I see dpavlin will be around? what about mglavica? 14:28 kf paul_p: hm I will ask him :) 14:30 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @BibLibre: "[EN] A month from now : the HackFest Koha at #BibLibre - http://t.co/gX1Ztrwy #HFK13 #kohails" 14:42 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1052: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1052/ 14:42 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 8906 - Improve OAI management interface 14:42 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 8906: Followup FIX hardcoded localhost url 14:42 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 8906: Followup replace 'Clear' with 'Delete' 14:42 jenkins_koha * Vitor FERNANDES: Bug 9395: Problem with callnumber and standard number searches 14:42 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9395: Increment version number 14:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8906 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Improve OAI management interface 14:42 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9648 - Replace YUI buttons on authorized values administration page with Bootstrap 14:42 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9616 - Replace YUI menu on patrons page with Bootstrap 14:42 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9619 - Replace YUI buttons on libraries administration page with Bootstrap 14:42 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9621 - Replace YUI menu on lists pages with Bootstrap 14:42 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9622 - Replace YUI button on MARC fameworks page with Bootstrap 14:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9395 major, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Pushed to Master , Problem with callnumber and standard number search in OPAC and Staff Client 14:42 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9623 - Replace YUI button on authority types administration page with Bootstrap 14:42 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9624 - Replace YUI button on reports dictionary page with Bootstrap 14:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9648 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI buttons on authorized values administration page with Bootstrap 14:42 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9627 - Replace YUI buttons and menus on serials pages with Bootstrap 14:42 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9628 - Replace YUI buttons and menus on budgets administration pages with Bootstrap 14:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9616 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI menu on patrons page with Bootstrap 14:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9619 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI buttons on libraries administration page with Bootstrap 14:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9621 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI menu on lists pages with Bootstrap 14:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9622 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on MARC frameworks page with Bootstrap 14:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9623 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on authority types administration page with Bootstrap 14:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9624 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on reports dictionary page with Bootstrap 14:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9627 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI buttons and menus on serials pages with Bootstrap 14:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9628 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI buttons and menus on budgets administration pages with Bootstrap 14:43 jenkins_koha Starting build #1053 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1051 2 days 23 hr ago) 14:44 kf what, unstable?? 14:44 drojf too many buttons pushed 14:45 * drojf puts 5€ into the bad pun jar 14:45 kf you will get poor fust 14:45 kf fast 14:45 drojf heh 14:50 jcamins kf: there was a syspref update. 14:50 kf ah ok 15:19 tcohen do we have a way to warn the user on the GUI? 15:19 jcamins About what? 15:20 tcohen i've found that if you write a SQL report calling an undefined authorised_value the GUI shows an empty dropdown menu 15:20 tcohen the user should be warned when saving, or when about to run, not sure 15:21 tcohen what do u think jcamins? 15:22 jcamins Hm. I think probably on running. 15:22 jcamins Someone might copy a report off the wiki before creating the authorized values. 15:22 tcohen or simply havea typo 15:22 jcamins Ah, true. 15:23 jcamins What about both? 15:23 tcohen heh 15:24 tcohen i was revisiting the code to start writing for bug 9634 15:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9634 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Allow for parameters re-use on SQL reports 15:24 tcohen should I fill another bug for this one? 15:24 jcamins Yes. 15:43 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @YvesTomic: "La connexion à Youtube est désormais intégrée à Biblio+ : le service propose des vidéos sur le même sujet du document affiché.#koha #kohails" 15:49 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1053: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1053/ 15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9629 - Replace YUI button on patron category administration page with Bootstrap 15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9630 - Replace YUI button on cities and towns administration page with Bootstrap 15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9631 - Replace YUI buttons on classification sources administration page with Bootstrap 15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9632 - Replace YUI button on the currencies administration page with Bootstrap 15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9633 - Replace YUI button on the itemtypes administration page with Bootstrap 15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9635 - Replace YUI buttons on label batches pages with Bootstrap 15:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9629 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on patron category administration pages with Bootstrap 15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9636 - Replace YUI buttons on labels pages with Bootstrap 15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9637 - Replace YUI button on local use system preferences page with Bootstrap 15:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9630 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on cities and towns administration page with Bootstrap 15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9639 - Replace YUI button on MARC tag structure toolbar with Bootstrap 15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9640 - Replace YUI button on record matching rules page with Bootstrap 15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9641 - Replace YUI button on the Koha news management page with Bootstrap 15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9642 - Replace YUI button on the patron attribute types page with Bootstrap 15:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9631 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI buttons on classification sources administration page with Bootstrap 15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9643 - Replace YUI button on the road types administration page with Bootstrap 15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9644 - Replace YUI button on the suggestions management page with Bootstrap 15:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9632 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on the currencies administration page with Bootstrap 15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9645 - Replace YUI buttons on the quotes management page with Bootstrap 15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9646 - Replace YUI button on the printers administration page with Bootstrap 15:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9633 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on the itemtypes administration page with Bootstrap 15:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9635 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI buttons on label batches pages with Bootstrap 15:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9636 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI buttons on labels pages with Bootstrap 15:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9637 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on local use system preferences page with Bootstrap 15:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9639 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on MARC tag structure toolbar with Bootstrap 15:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9640 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on record matching rules page with Bootstrap 15:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9641 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on the Koha news management page with Bootstrap 15:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9642 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on the patron attribute types administration page with Bootstrap 15:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9643 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on the road types administration page with Bootstrap 15:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9644 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on the suggestions management page with Bootstrap 15:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9645 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI buttons on the quotes management page with Bootstrap 15:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9646 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI buttons on the printers administration page with Bootstrap 15:59 jcamins Greetings, sekjal! 15:59 sekjal hi, jcamins 16:00 * chris_n shakes his fist at canonical 16:02 jcamins How are things at UMass? 16:03 sekjal going pretty well. just got back from Code4Lib, and have lots of exciting projects to consider 16:03 jcamins Does one of them give you more than 24 hours in a day? 16:03 jcamins 'Cause that would be really useful! 16:04 sekjal no, I don't think that was discussed this year, not even in a lightning talk 16:04 jcamins Aww. 16:04 jcamins I could really use it, too. 16:04 sekjal got an intro to Ruby on Rails, though 16:05 jcamins sekjal: did they give you any hints on how to prevent libraries spontaneously becoming incompatible? 16:06 sekjal no, we just did a very basic intro using the RailsBridge materials 16:06 bag hey sekjal 16:06 sekjal oh, and 0 evaluates to true 16:06 sekjal in Ruby 16:06 sekjal hey, bag! 16:06 jcamins sekjal: like in Bourne shell? Weird. 16:07 sekjal yeah... Code4Lib is huge on RoR, but I just can't get into it. I have Perl and PHP, and that'll do pretty much anything I need 16:07 sekjal but if I want to modify/understand some else's code, guess I need to learn it 16:08 * jcamins is using PHP to write a cataloging system right now... first time in about a decade that I did something with PHP. 16:08 sekjal bag: beer #4 turned out really, really well! 16:09 bag nice nice - I just did a maple brown yesterday 16:09 jcamins What kind did you make? 16:09 sekjal a dark brown ale with cinnamon. tastes like raisin bread 16:10 bag sounds interesting 16:10 bag sekjal: that most important question… Thinking about going to Reno? 16:10 reiveune bye 16:12 sekjal bag: considering it; got it on my calendar 16:12 sekjal would need to figure out the funding and time off from work, though 16:12 bag good great awesome! 16:12 sekjal it'd be really awesome to see everyone 16:13 * kf waves at sekjal 16:13 sekjal hi, kf! 16:17 * sekjal is cataloging his music, and trying not to freeze 16:17 jcamins sekjal: in Koha? :) 16:17 sekjal jcamins: Musicbrainz for now, but I'll want to make full metadata records out of the ID3 tags (as well as authority entries for artists) 16:18 jcamins Aww. 16:18 tcohen jcamins, do we like switch statements in koha code? 16:18 jcamins We like for () statements. 16:19 jcamins use Switch is deprecated, and given/when is considered "experimental" 16:19 jcamins Let me find the bug with the discussion. 16:20 jcamins http://perldoc.perl.org/perlsyn.html#Switch-Statements 16:21 tcohen ok, i won't refactor code then :-P 16:22 * tcohen runs away just in case 16:22 jcamins Hehe. 16:22 jcamins If it will make your patch easier to understand, go ahead and refactor in a different patch. 16:23 jcamins (i.e. two patches on the one bug) 16:25 kf *sigh* stealth_mode-- 16:26 jcamins What's stealth mode? 16:27 kf in our ticket system... it means my answer went nowhere 16:27 kf it is good when you wnat to do bulk changes 16:27 jcamins Ah. 16:27 kf but it easy to forget to turn it off.... 16:39 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Screencasts for Koha Bug/Ticket Reporting http://t.co/bMLBXm49" 17:11 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Share your library cards with Chris http://t.co/xNcNCTBa #kohails" 17:30 alohabot Hi mib_vi5nnw, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 17:30 mib_vi5nnw hi 17:31 mib_vi5nnw autoemailopacuser not working 17:31 mib_vi5nnw having any soution 18:13 Brooke o/ 18:13 jcamins o/ 18:14 Brooke ack 18:14 jcamins lol 18:14 Morthland Is there a guide to update Koha some where? I need to move from 3.8 to 3.10/ 18:17 Morthland I seem to recall it being real simple last time, but I cant find the documentation now] 18:17 jcamins Morthland: look at the end of the install file. 18:17 jcamins If you're using packages, it's even simpler. 18:18 jcamins "Install new version." 18:18 jcamins "Wait." 18:18 jcamins "Reindex." 18:18 jcamins "Enjoy." 18:20 Morthland I'm on ubuntu, so no packages. 18:21 jcamins Packages work fine on Ubuntu. 18:21 Morthland You mean the end of the install file on the wiki 18:21 Morthland ? 18:21 jcamins No, there's a file called INSTALL.debian (which you read even for Ubuntu). 18:21 Morthland Oh. I thought you had to be running Debian 18:21 Brooke packages_+_Ubuntu++ 18:21 jcamins Nope. 18:21 jcamins I use the packages on Ubuntu. 18:22 Brooke and I am pleased that this has come to pass 18:22 jcamins Wait, actually, I'm using Debian in production again. Ubuntu angered me. 18:22 Brooke for yea, Ubuntu is teh awesome. 18:22 Morthland Will it be a problem if I installed it without packages to use the package update? 18:22 * Brooke is still grateful for packages + Ubuntu. So there :P 18:22 jcamins You can switch from non-packages to packages, but it's not quite as simple. 18:22 jcamins There's a guide somewhere on the wiki. 18:26 alohabot Hi mib_k1ip5y, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 18:27 mib_k1ip5y helo 18:28 maximep oh, that's a cool new bot 18:31 cait yep :) 18:31 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Share your library cards with Chris http://t.co/mmLMJukj" 18:34 mib_k1ip5y witch programing language is used to comunicate in z39.50 in koha 18:34 mib_k1ip5y ? 18:35 jcamins mib_k1ip5y: what do you mean? 18:35 jcamins Z39.50 is a protocol. 18:38 mib_k1ip5y yes I know but in client side some code must conect witch server z39.50 18:39 cait the configuration is done in the gui - administration > z39.50 servers 18:40 jcamins mib_k1ip5y: the answer to your question is probably either "Perl" or "C" but I don't understand your question. 18:40 jcamins first question? 18:40 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" 18:41 jcamins ^^ mib_k1ip5y 18:44 mib_k1ip5y I look for implement conection in .net but I can't find specification for this protocol 18:44 jcamins Have you looked at how MarcEdit does it? 18:46 mib_k1ip5y I test it but I need more info about z39.50 18:46 vfernandes bye people :) 18:46 gaetan_B bye ! 18:46 jcamins Right, but MarcEdit is written in .NET. 18:47 Morthland Following the upgrade instructions, when I run $ perl Makefile.PL --prev-install-log /path/to/koha-install-log 18:47 Morthland it starts a fresh install 18:47 jcamins Did you try searching Google for "z39.50 .net client"? Because I found the answer to your question on the first result of the first page. 18:47 rangi you did put the patch to the actual log eh? 18:47 jcamins Morthland: you replaced /path/to/koha-install-log with the actual path? 18:47 rangi heh 18:47 rangi morning 18:48 cait Morthland: it asks 2 questions - for icu and dom - maybe that's what you see? 18:48 Morthland Yes, it is set to /usr/share/koha/misc/koha-install-log 18:49 Morthland I Ctl-Ced out. Let me rerun it. 18:49 mib_k1ip5y you think about yaz ? 18:50 Morthland I see, "by default, Koha can be installed one of three ways, standard, single, dev 18:50 jcamins mib_k1ip5y: http://jai-on-asp.blogspot.com/2010/01/z3950-client-in-cnet-using-zoomnet-and.html 18:52 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon13_planning_meeting,_19_February_2013 18:52 cait Morthland: m that does not look right 18:52 cait Morthland: and the patch is correct to the log? 18:52 cait s/patch/path 18:53 Morthland I'm afraid I don't catch your meaning. 18:53 mib_k1ip5y I test this code but when i serch in z39.50 i can't use marc21 18:53 cait /usr/share/koha/misc/koha-install-log - is an existing file? 18:53 Morthland yes 18:53 cait hm 18:53 cait not sure then 18:54 rangi hmm, is that where a tarball install puts it? cos that looks like a package install location, but they might do the same 18:54 cait I did run the make upgrade a little while back and it worked ok for me 18:54 rangi open that file, what does it say? 18:54 rangi should look like 18:54 rangi KOHA_INSTALLED_VERSION=3.10.02.000 18:54 rangi LOG_DIR=/var/log/koha 18:54 rangi DB_TYPE=mysql 18:55 rangi (numbers and paths different) 18:55 Morthland That's what I've got. 18:55 Morthland For 3.08.03 18:55 rangi what does it say for WEBMASTER_EMAIL ? 18:56 Morthland webmaster@LibraryServer 18:56 rangi right, so yep that looks ok 18:56 Morthland should I move the file? 18:56 rangi no 18:56 cait rangi: could it be something related to permissions? the file can't be read or something? 18:56 Morthland I'm running the command sudo 18:57 rangi heres what i get running it here 18:57 rangi 6307 koha:f5220e4!? % perl Makefile.PL --prev-install-log /usr/share/koha/misc/koha-install-log 18:57 rangi Reading values from install log /usr/share/koha/misc/koha-install-log. You 18:57 rangi will be prompted only for settings that have been 18:58 Morthland I see my problem 18:58 Morthland Facepalm 18:58 Morthland I'm running the flag --prev--instal--log 18:59 Morthland That fixed it 18:59 jcamins rangi: "!?" ? 18:59 jcamins Changed and... 18:59 Morthland It' 19:00 Morthland It's listed a bunch of perl dependencies, I should install these before running make? 19:01 * cait hands Morthland the cookie tin 19:01 cait it's a monday problem 19:01 rangi changed and not synced 19:02 jcamins Ah, nifty. 19:04 Morthland Some of these dependencies I'm sure I have, MooseX::Types, for example. I guess they are just out of date 19:05 rangi thats not required anyway, just optional 19:05 cait Morthland: I tink you only need that if you wanted to switch on solr 19:05 rangi so id ignore that 19:05 cait yeah, I did so far 19:05 * rangi goes to take the kids to school 19:05 cait bye rangi 20:23 rangi back 20:25 cait wb 20:28 cait hi kathryn 20:28 kathryn hi cait! 20:29 rangi well maybe bgkriegel or tcohen will understand that email, because I dont 20:29 jcamins Heh. 20:30 wizzyrea hehe 20:31 drojf my guess is "can i put my ebooks (as in files) into koha", but not sure 20:47 bgkriegel hi 20:51 rangi hi bgkriegel 20:51 bgkriegel Hi rangi. I wrote to him (in spanish) that his email was not understandable (was reading the irc logs) 20:51 wizzyrea bgkriegel++ 20:52 wizzyrea always better when people can get help in their native language anyway :) 20:52 bgkriegel yeah :) 21:18 Morthland As of update to 3.10, receiving this error at opac: 21:19 Morthland Can't locate DateTime/Format/MySQL.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/share/koha/lib /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.14.2 /usr/local/share/perl/5.14.2 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.14 /usr/share/perl/5.14 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Koha.pm line 30. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Koha.pm li 21:19 wizzyrea yep, you probably need to install the new dependency 21:19 wizzyrea libdatetime-format-perl 21:20 rangi thats where the packages rule :) they pull all those in for you 21:21 Morthland It wont let me install the dependency 21:21 Morthland Says the test is failing 21:21 Morthland if I apt-get install, will that fix? 21:21 rangi yes 21:22 rangi always apt-get install 21:22 rangi only use CPAN as utter last resort 21:22 Morthland Good to know 21:22 rangi because if you use CPAN you have to remember to watch all the bug trackers and watch for security updates and upgrade etc 21:22 rangi packagers take care of that for you 21:22 rangi and debian security team (who ubuntu shamelessy use :)) 21:23 Morthland I got Unable to locate package 21:23 rangi libdatetime-format-mysql-perl 21:23 rangi is the name 21:24 Morthland is that the standard naming scheme for Perl Packages? 21:24 cait :) 21:24 jcamins Yes. 21:25 Morthland now I get forwarded to the maintenence page 21:25 wizzyrea yep, now you need to hit the intranet and do your DB update 21:26 Morthland Gotchya 21:26 Morthland Thanks. 21:29 Morthland This has been a much trickier upgrade then my upgrade from 3.2 to 3.8. I ought to switch to packages. 21:29 wizzyrea the packages do handle many of the more unpleasant upgrade tasks for you 21:29 jcamins The only one they don't handle is deciding whether or not to upgrade, in fact. 21:31 Morthland My only issue is that I run a hacked up version of koha. 21:32 rangi you can build your own packages 21:32 jcamins That's what I do. 21:32 * jcamins also runs a hacked-up version. 21:32 Morthland Like when LCCN wasn't an available Z3950 query, we changed that script 21:32 jcamins Well, not so much hacked-up as, I aggressively backport bugfixes. 21:33 rangi or better yet, submit patches :) 21:33 * jcamins does that. 21:33 jcamins All the patches I run are in _a_ version of Koha. 21:33 Morthland I submitted that patch. 21:34 Morthland Takes a while. 21:34 jcamins (which is to say, you can do it!) 21:34 bgkriegel jcamins: what version are you running? 21:34 jcamins bgkriegel: 3.6.10ish. 21:34 jcamins + a bunch of fixes and a few enhancements from 3.8 and 3.10 21:35 bgkriegel hacked-up already :) 21:35 jcamins Hehe. 21:43 cait good night all :) 21:43 bgkriegel night cait 22:50 alohabot Hi mib_vozrm0, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 22:50 mib_vozrm0 what are some good irc chennals? 22:51 wizzyrea well obv ours is the best one :P 22:52 bgkriegel :) 22:54 * jcamins proceeds to get "Seven-and-a-half cents" stuck in Shari's head. 22:54 * dcook concurs