Time Nick Message 00:07 jcamins DInner time! 00:07 jcamins *Dinner 00:16 drojf good late evening or early morning #koha ;) 00:17 dcook morning, drojf 00:17 drojf hi dcook 00:24 jcamins_away spiker: I'm not here, and I'm leaving again, but don't change the username/password. Your librarians should never use the database user. You have to login with that user and create real users for them. 00:25 jcamins_away The database user should basically be used only by the system administrator. 00:25 jcamins_away And if the system administrator has to look up the password with sudo, that's a good thing. 00:25 * jcamins_away leaves, after giving eythian a significant look about the packaging patches. 00:26 rangi hes in training all day 00:26 drojf hibye jcamins_away ;) 00:26 rangi with http://schwern.net/ 00:29 drojf hi rangi. that guy made a lot of perl stuff 00:29 drojf DNA-0.03 Encodes your Perl program into an Nucleic Acid sequence <-- sounds like something everybody needs :) 00:30 rangi we use a ton of his stuff 00:30 rangi like Test::Simple 00:31 rangi he also knows a crapton about git 00:31 rangi which is what cjh, wizzyrea_away and eythian_ are at today 00:31 drojf cool 00:31 drojf i wish cool people would come to me to teach me stuff 00:31 rangi tomorrow is modern perl and style 00:31 rangi im going to those 2 00:32 * dcook = jealous 00:32 eythian_ jcamins_away: there's an issue with the k-c.org repo that needs to be fixed first though. Email has been sent. 00:32 * ibeardslee was going to style, until the 'plan' was mangled at short notice. 00:33 rangi well they had like 2 days to convince him to change his tickets and come to wellington, so im not sure you can do too much planning in that time 00:33 rangi im just stoked they got him here at all 00:34 ibeardslee that is true as well 00:34 eythian_ yeah, that plan was created at short notice, so I'm not sure it can be mangled :) 00:34 rangi the git one ended up being a full day 00:34 rangi so things got pushed 00:35 drojf i'd probably have to learn a lot more before i could thoroughly enjoy such sessions 00:35 eythian_ drojf: you'd know enough for this one 00:35 drojf cool, i'll come by ;) 00:36 rangi drojf: a much shorter version of his git talk is available as a video online 00:37 rangi http://mirror.linux.org.au/linux.conf.au/2013/ogv/Git_For_Ages_4_And_Up.ogv 00:37 ibeardslee it's a pity the git one was miss named .. I would have like to have been able to plan on making it. 00:38 drojf cool, thanks. love the title 00:38 rangi *nod* 00:45 drojf i shouldn't start watching git videos at half past one in the morning. but it is a nice speaker 00:46 drojf s/it/he 00:46 rangi yeah he is 00:46 rangi http://www.grabone.co.nz/wellington/nz-flight-training-9 <-- looks like fun! 01:09 dcook Hmm, apparently Koha 3.8 and older versions of IE really do not get along... 01:09 rangi i have no issues with that :) 01:09 dcook :p 01:09 rangi using older version of IE on the internet is incredibly dangerous 01:11 dcook Hmm, seems like it 01:12 dcook Why are IT departments the ones who are keeping organizations on old versions of IE then? 01:12 rangi heck even microsoft tell people not to 01:12 drojf koha should hand out an exploit that automatically does format c: and installs linux to older IE versions :P just kidding. maybe 01:13 rangi heh 01:16 dcook While I think everyone hates IE, what are some preferred browsers out there? 01:17 rangi firefox and chrome 01:17 rangi both of them render js a lot faster than IE 01:17 rangi as an added bonus 01:18 rangi so cataloguing is faster 01:18 dcook They must have their opponents as well though 01:18 dcook Besides corporate IT 01:18 rangi hmm not really 01:18 drojf [off] dcook: from my experience, the construct of an "IT department", at least in public service, sometimes accomodates old men too lazy to learn something new. pre-internet, very pre-»digital native« people that at some point choose to never learn anything new again. just do business as usual forever. people that »grew up« in the stuff they are doing when it was cool & important to have a microsoft certificate for something. people that at some poi 01:18 rangi i dont find anyone who likes IE 01:18 rangi just people forced to use it 01:18 drojf ./rant ;) 01:19 dcook ;) 01:19 dcook That's what I've found as well 01:19 dcook People forced to use it 01:19 dcook But I just don't understand why someone or something would force it upon them 01:19 rangi usually it boils down the reasons drojf mentioned 01:19 dcook Mmm 01:19 rangi IT depts have forgotten what they are for 01:20 rangi they are there to serve the users 01:20 rangi a lot of them think their time is more important, and so they do what is easiest for them 01:20 drojf i have heard of organisations that had someone develop $stuff for them, and that only works with IE 6. so they will use it forever. because they paid for $stuff 10+ years ago 01:20 rangi there is that too 01:20 dcook Mmm, I've also heard this 01:20 rangi a lot of south korea is run on activex 01:21 rangi they they locked to IE 01:21 rangi and old IE 01:21 drojf does activex still exist? :) 01:21 rangi nope 01:21 rangi only in old IE 01:21 drojf heh 01:21 mtj ^^ alot of old govt/corperate webapps only run on IE/activex, and its too expensive to fix them 01:21 rangi thats why open standards/languages are so much better 01:22 dcook I certainly would not disagree 01:24 mtj .. ive heard the same stories from govt.nz IT staff too 01:25 rangi lots of intranets 01:25 mtj yep, stuck on ie/activex/winxp 01:26 drojf there seems to be a strong interest in MS preventing that. we had the city of munich switch to linux for public services and lately there has been a "study" that came to the result that everything would be cheaper if they [i don't remeber: either »would not have switched to linux« or even »would switch back to MS now«]. a study initiated by MS and they also left out the license costs for MS products. that is the point where i stopped reading. there 01:27 rangi yeah 01:27 dcook Ugh 01:27 dcook Reminds me of a few non-IT studies that I've read in recent years. 01:28 dcook Always done by the producers of the product being marketed, of course 01:28 rangi yep 01:31 drojf i mean… it's really easy at least for future employees. make it a rule to only use and teach free(dom) software in schools/ universities. bam, nobody cries if s/he cannot use MS word. but of course MS goes into schools and universities and throws their stuff out for free and for some reasons that i don't understand, people are buying into that 01:31 drojf [off] same as liblime btw 01:32 rangi people look at now, not tomorrow 01:32 rangi </gross generalisation> 01:32 dcook hehe 01:33 drojf true, unfortunately. for most people in charge of something. now and immediate future is what is important to get you re-/elected for $whatever 01:33 rangi yup 01:34 dcook Mmm, very true 01:34 drojf people don't remember what cool stuff you did 5 or 10 years ago 01:34 drojf so why care? :/ 01:34 dcook Yet, the trend is to follow the trends :p 01:34 rangi dcook: but in libraryland usually after the trend is no longer relevant 01:34 rangi :) 01:34 dcook Very true 01:34 wahanui I know. That's why I said it. 01:34 rangi heh wahanui 01:34 wahanui it has been said that heh i am good 01:35 drojf you are :D 01:43 drojf the longer i think about it… the preference of making people use proprietary software instead of free software and the privatisation of public goods (think water, electricy, public transportation…) seems to be propagated by the same (kind of) people. and no matter how hard i try, i cannot find a valid reason for it, besides bribes and corruption. what positive outcome for the general public to there ever be? 01:44 drojf could there ever be 01:45 rangi there isn't 01:45 rangi but they don't care about that 01:45 dcook I think the argument for proprietary software might include security/reliability (which is bogus as we've already pointed out), and as for privatisation of public goods, I think the idea is that competition allows for cheaper prices and more efficiency (which is also quite bogus) 01:45 rangi yep 01:46 rangi and those are reasons thought up to try to give some legitimacy to what is a fairly thinly disguised money grab 01:46 dcook I'm originally from a conservative region where the privatization of public goods has been a hot topic for years (despite our province also being the birthplace of medicare and the first province to be entirely electrified, as well as filled to the brim with co-ops that we all used for our banks, our grocery stores, our gas stations, etc) 01:46 rangi privatise profit, socialise losses 01:46 rangi its a trend 01:46 rangi cept in iceland 01:46 rangi :) 01:47 dcook Oh? 01:47 rangi they had a referendum 01:47 rangi voted to not bail out the banks 01:47 rangi and jailed the bankers instead 01:48 dcook Whoa! 01:48 rangi http://newschooljournal.com/2012/04/icelands-revolutionary-crisis-response/ 01:48 dcook What happened after that? 01:48 rangi one of the few growing economies in the world 01:49 rangi the debt is all not real anyway 01:49 drojf dcook: it can never be cheaper than the actual costs. so either your public service used to put a lot of extra stuff on the bill that did not have to do with anything and taking that out makes it look cheaper, or you are being betrayed. or, they screw with the environment and/or people, and for instance throw out waste into the ocean, which might reduce costs. but that is something nobody would want ( i hope) 01:49 rangi only about 1/3 of money in circulation actually exists 01:49 drojf iceland++ 01:50 drojf css-- 01:50 drojf well, it's probably me, not css 01:51 dcook ie-- 01:51 dcook iceland++ 01:51 dcook Fair enough, drojf 01:51 dcook Admittedly, as we have mentioned though, there is a lot of waste in public service when the motto of "business as usual" is followed. 01:52 dcook I'd rather stronger reviews in public service than privatisation though 01:53 dcook As you say, it can never be cheaper than the actual costs 01:53 dcook My reasoning might be full of holes atm. Still no air conditioning. Brain might be melting. 01:54 drojf that is what privatisation / »public-private partnership« is all about. to make you believe it is possible to do it cheaper. 01:54 dcook Well, I suppose that's capitalism in general even 01:58 drojf i think so, yes 02:02 dcook Hmm, anyone have any idea what the "* HTML DIV" type styles are for in staff-global.css? 02:04 drojf given that i completely fail to understand css every time i try to use it (like, now), i would not dare to answer that 02:04 rangi heh 02:04 dcook Hehe. Fair enough. 02:04 rangi yeah me too 02:04 dcook What are you getting up to with CSS? 02:05 dcook I've used the * selector before, but always after the elements, not before. As far as I know, using it in this context is redundant 02:05 dcook But then applying height and overflow attributes to ever div seems odd as well 02:05 dcook Although it doesn't seem to be a problem in any browser except the old ones 02:05 * dcook assumes Owen will have an answer 02:05 rangi he usually does 02:08 drojf [off] benefit of being up in the middle of the night: new simpsons episode right when it is fresh 02:09 dcook Mmm 02:10 * dcook just remembered that putting a * before the elements in CSS is a IE specific hack 02:10 dcook In this case, it seems to be a silly one as it creates a problem rather than fixing one... 02:10 dcook No wonder it doesn't affect modern browsers 02:15 drojf dcook: don't forget that you need a special hack for probably every version of IE 02:15 dcook Mmm, good point 02:15 dcook I'm a bit surprised to find no comments around this one though 02:19 drojf err. whatever i have been doing i could fix by *throwing out all css about that element*. and it only took me 30+min to figure it out. just to reinforce i should not answer any questions regarding css ;) 02:21 dcook Hehe. Understood ;) 02:25 dcook Hmm. Well, I'm going to join you on that one. Seems like that IE hack has been there for years...and somehow isn't the cause of the problem, even though turning it off in my problem situation fixes the problem... 02:32 mtj dcook, curious what browser are you testing on? 02:32 dcook Internet Explorer, of course 02:32 dcook I'm using 9 with the F12 developer tools 02:33 dcook I'm getting the issues when I use the Quirks mode document mode 02:33 dcook Of course 02:33 dcook I think someone is using IE 6 and getting problems, but it looks to me that they must've always had problems with any version of Koha 02:34 dcook I've double-checked the back-up though, and it does look like the IE hack is the one creating the problem, which it probably was meant to solve? 02:48 eythian_ http://docs.bugseverywhere.org/master/ 02:52 rangi thats like cil that andy did 02:52 rangi https://github.com/chilts/cil 02:53 eythian_ yeah 02:54 drojf good night 02:54 wahanui I watch you sleep. 02:54 drojf i know :/ 02:56 eythian_ wahanui: good night is also <reply>I'll be waiting for you to come back, $who. 02:56 wahanui okay, eythian_. 03:13 mtj andy's cil thing looks well clever 04:02 mtj schema? 04:02 wahanui i guess schema is tracked in git. or found at http://schema.koha-community.org 04:05 Brooke kia ora 04:09 mtj hey Brooke 04:09 Brooke what's up? 04:09 mtj whole lotta shakin' 04:10 Brooke roger that 04:12 mtj sorry i missed seeing-you-off at the airport in wgtn, i got crazy sick the day before… :/ 04:12 mtj (not sure if we've chatted since then?) 04:17 Brooke thought we did 04:17 Brooke it's all good 04:18 Brooke you were so sweet when I was there :) 05:17 govind koha installation 05:54 paul_p hello #koha 05:54 dcook morning, paul_p 05:55 paul_p dcook morning almost finished where I am now (Delhi, india). I'm here for ICAL2013 (http://www.ipu.ac.in/ical2013/index.htm) 05:56 dcook I was wondering why your ip was different :p 05:57 dcook Hmm, the link didn't work for me 05:57 dcook How is it? 05:59 paul_p dcook = it starts tomorrow, so for the conference, I don't know how it is. For Delhi & India, my main surprise is that the weather is very very nice. Something like 15° in the morning, and 20-25° during the day. So different compared to Mumbai in oct (KohaCon11) 05:59 paul_p dcook ICAL = International Conference for Academic Libraries. The main topic being "cloud computing" (and of course Koha as ILS on the cloud). 250-300 registrations 06:03 * paul_p still impressed to see what happened in the last 10 years, since the 1st mail I sent to koha mailing list saying "i'll work on Koha" (because my employer just goes bankrupcy & i've a religious library friend of mine that is looking for a free ILS) 06:04 dcook Hehe 06:04 dcook Well, I'm glad to hear that the weather has been nice 06:04 dcook I'm sure ICAL will be very interesting, especially since it seems that Koha is increasingly popular in India 06:05 dcook I would like to hear more about how you got involved in the project actually, but I have to run along to prepare for a dinner party 06:05 dcook I actually just took a look at the number of patches I've had pushed since my first last March. I think it's around 24. Not too bad considering I was out of commission for 4.5 months and incredibly busy. 06:06 dcook Hopefully, I'll find some time soon to actually start signing off more patches than just adding to the pile 06:07 dcook En tout cas, bonne chance demain, paul_p. Bonne journée :) 06:49 magnuse heh http://xkcd.com/1172/ 06:54 cait morning magnuse :) 06:55 cait lol 07:14 magnuse hiya cait 07:18 cait morning :) 07:18 cait oh repeating myself... 07:18 magnuse in norway we say that a good thing can not be said too often ;-) 07:21 cait :) 07:21 cait @wunder Konstanz 07:21 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is -5.0°C (8:00 AM CET on February 11, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Pressure: 29.61 in 1003 hPa (Falling). 07:41 magnuse @wunder boo 07:41 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -4.0°C (8:20 AM CET on February 11, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: -9.0°C. Windchill: -11.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). 07:42 magnuse windchill-- 07:42 magnuse @wunder karasjok 07:42 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Karasjok, Norway is -22.2°C (8:39 AM CET on February 11, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: -25.0°C. Windchill: -22.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady). 07:42 magnuse @wunder kautokeino 07:42 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Kautokeino, Norway is -24.0°C (7:00 AM CET on February 11, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: -27.0°C. Pressure: 30.37 in 1028 hPa (Rising). 07:42 magnuse @wunder rrs 07:42 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Roros Lufthavn, Norway is -9.0°C (8:20 AM CET on February 11, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: -11.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising). 07:43 * magnuse wonders if the change from XML::SAX to XML::LibXML in MARC::File::XML affects the koha installation process 07:47 reiveune hello 07:47 wahanui hola, reiveune 07:47 cait bbl 07:47 magnuse bonjour reiveune 07:52 marcelr hi koha 07:53 magnuse cait++ for qa'ing 07:54 magnuse hiya marcelr 07:57 asaurat hi 07:57 wahanui salut, asaurat 08:00 gaetan_B hello 08:00 ambars hi 08:02 ambars i got my koha setup working and it's looking great! 08:02 ambars :) 08:02 ambars thank you, koha! 08:02 alex_a bonjour 08:02 wahanui hello, alex_a 08:04 magnuse @wunder marseille 08:04 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is 6.8°C (9:01 AM CET on February 11, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Steady). 08:06 marcelr hi magnuse asaurat alex_a 08:14 alex_a hi Manderson 08:14 alex_a hi marcelr 08:23 marcelr hi kf: thx for qa 08:23 kf marcelr: you are welcome 08:23 kf marcelr: I haven't had much time lately - very sorry for that 08:23 marcelr i know that 08:23 marcelr :) 08:23 kf hope it will be better next week, some deadlines form my distance study will be over then 08:23 kf and either I made them... or not :) 08:23 marcelr ok 08:24 marcelr queue is quite large 08:25 kf yeah :( 08:26 kf I only had about half an hour this morning, so didn't tackle the bigger patches 08:26 kf but there is lots 08:26 kf and lots of good things too 08:27 marcelr yeah, just the number is misleading.. 08:27 kf i would love to see bootstrap replacing yui for example 08:27 kf for better accessibility 08:27 marcelr seems a big one 08:28 kf yeah 08:28 kf but probably not as hard to test as some of the circ stuff 08:28 kf we will see. 08:28 marcelr yes 08:28 kf thx for your qa work :) 08:29 marcelr it is not so much as i would like.. 08:29 kf i guess it never is... 08:29 kf but as long as we keep moving it will be fine :) 08:43 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @BibLibre: "L'article le plus consulté sur le blog la semaine dernière : La présentation de Koha 3.10 - http://t.co/uznaoC4F #kohails" 09:16 Herwig Morning & help my users dissapeared in koha 09:16 Herwig annyone had this ? 09:17 kf Herwig: we need a bit more inforamtion to help you 09:17 kf what do you mean by your users disappeared? 09:18 Herwig i cant see them in the patron list 09:18 Herwig friday they where still there 09:19 Herwig or saterday 09:19 Herwig and i tested 2 they can still login 09:19 Herwig only the patron list is reste to a previous state 09:20 Herwig i put in a lot off patrons last week 09:20 Herwig now they are invissible :OP 09:20 Herwig zebra ? 09:20 wahanui i think zebra is a fielded free text indexing and retrieval engine with a Z39.50 front-end. You can use any compatible, commercial, or freeware Z39.50 client to access data stored in Zebra. or the search engine koha uses 09:21 kf Herwig: you can't search them by name? 09:21 kf did you update koha since then? 09:21 kf patron search doesn't use zebra. 09:21 Herwig no i only get me 09:21 kf are they registered at other branches? 09:22 kf did you activate the independentbranches system preference? 09:22 Herwig i have 2 branches but did not do the other yet 09:22 Herwig would reindexing help ? 09:22 kf nope 09:22 kf as I said 09:22 kf patron search does not use zebra. 09:22 Herwig oeps 09:22 kf it's totally unrelated ;) 09:23 kf my guess is, that you are logged in at another branch 09:23 kf whatis your koha version? 09:23 Herwig with branch you are reffering to the library ? 09:24 Herwig 3.08.09.000 09:25 kf yes 09:25 kf it will show up in the upper corner 09:25 kf the branch you are logged in at 09:25 kf can you go to the system preferences and check your setting for independentbranches? 09:26 Herwig i can search myself but i'm not under the corresponding letter wait i do what you say 09:28 Herwig dont prevent 09:28 Herwig it is 09:28 kf hm 09:28 kf I am not sure really 09:28 kf I know that the search all functionaltiy does not work in 3.8 09:28 kf so you have to give some search term 09:29 kf or search for patrons at a library 09:29 Herwig its like there still in the database but i dont see them 09:29 Herwig wait i try login as admin 09:30 kf if your user don't has borrowers permission that could be another reaso 09:31 Herwig no dont see annything 09:32 Herwig the previous account was super librarian 09:32 Herwig same with this one 09:33 kf hm I am running out of ideas Herwig 09:34 Herwig is it possible that the system restores to a previous state ? 09:35 Herwig my collegue is reporting something diffrent missing 09:35 Herwig i'm looking into it 09:35 kf not the systemno 09:36 kf I mean it can't restore to a previous state, it woudl have to be something an admin did 09:36 kf server side 09:36 Herwig i asked but they said no 09:36 Herwig hmz 09:36 kf yeah. hmpf. 09:37 Herwig i do a database dump daily i try restore the friday one on a test machine and see what that brings 10:22 Herwig we maybe found the problem ... disk space on the machine is 0 % left 10:23 Herwig admin will make it bigger this afthernoon (its a virtual machine) 11:30 Herwig kf: it's solved it was the diskspace but thx for the information 11:31 Herwig even linux needs diskspace 11:53 kf Herwig: makes sense - glad you found it 13:11 oleonard Hi #koha 13:20 kf hi oleonard 13:20 kf oleonard: sorry for failing the acq navigation :( 13:20 oleonard Sorry to keep making you test it over again :) 13:21 kf no problem :) 13:24 magnuse oleonard++ kf++ 13:24 magnuse namaste paul_p 13:24 kf oleonard: and I always test those first again that I failed before... so it stays on top of my list 13:28 paul_p namaste magnuse (internet connexion quite randomly working here...) 13:28 kf hi paul_p :) 13:28 kf how is India? :) 13:28 kf an and zeno is coming to the hackfest 13:29 paul_p kf surprisingly cold !!! weather is absolutely perfect. 15°C in the morning, 20-25° maximum. sunny, a tiny wind, really absolutely perfect ! 13:29 kf sounds nice :) 13:29 kf not too warm 13:30 kf hope you have a good time! what is this conf about? 13:31 paul_p kf other than this, it can be compared to Mumbaï (lot of ppl, lot of pollution, lot of traffic, ...) 13:32 paul_p kf it's ICAL2013 (International Conference for Academic Libraries). The main topic is "cloud computing, how can it help indian libraries" 13:32 kf ah 13:32 kf interesting 13:32 wahanui i think interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 13:32 kf here privacy is a big concern about cloud computing 13:33 kf well... at least about clouds with servers somewhere 13:33 kf oleonard++ #patching the chromium bug :) 13:34 oleonard Should I get karma for patching a bug I caused? :) 13:34 kf hm yes, because you care about it 14:21 jenkins_koha Starting build #280 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 9 mo 19 days ago) 14:21 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #280: STILL FAILING in 1 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/280/ 14:21 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: add idreambooks images 14:26 kf oleonard: seeing your fix for bug 9545 - I think I reported a bug in that area you might address 14:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9545 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Fix Import Marc Bibliographic Framework Text Label 14:27 kf ah 14:27 kf 8558 14:27 kf bug 8558 14:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8558 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Better confirmation message for importing frameworks 14:28 oleonard Oh, I'm sorry I didn't see that before. I did revise that message in my fix for 9545 to make it more readable. 14:28 kf was just checking your code to see if it might fix it :) 14:29 kf I was only wondering if we coudl add the framework to the confirmation message 14:29 kf because I always panic and wonder if I really clicked the right entry 14:29 oleonard My fix doesn't address your bug, but I agree that it's a good idea 14:29 kf thx for always working on the stray templates :) 14:50 jenkins_koha Starting build #281 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 9 mo 19 days ago) 14:50 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #281: STILL FAILING in 20 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/281/ 14:50 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: add info on activate filters for holdings 14:58 oleonard kf: I resubmitted my patch for Bug 8913 and left it as 'signed off' because the change was minor. If you disagree please feel free to set it to 'needs signoff' 14:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8913 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , Improve acquisitions navigation 15:05 jenkins_koha Starting build #282 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 9 mo 19 days ago) 15:05 jenkins_koha Starting build #17 for job Koha_Docs_3.10.x (previous build: STILL FAILING) 15:05 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #282: STILL FAILING in 22 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/282/ 15:05 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update permission descriptions 15:05 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.10.x build #17: STILL FAILING in 22 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.10.x/17/ 15:05 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update permission descriptions 15:13 kf oleonard: it's ok for me :) 15:14 kf do you want me to open a separate bug for the invoices page? 15:14 kf it's rather new so I think you didn't cover it in your patch because it was not there back then 15:14 oleonard I would like to handle further changes in follow-ups. If you think a separate bug is best I'm okay with that. 15:15 kf I think jcamins_away likes it better if a bug is not reopened after pushing the initial feature 15:35 druthb Wahoo! The Pootle server now has a v3.12 project, and it includes the ccsr theme! :D 15:37 druthb translators++ 15:40 kf wahoo :) 15:41 magnuse druthb++ 15:41 druthb I wanna get the ccsr theme on the 3.10 branch, tooooooo. 15:43 * kf coughs loudly 23426 words need attention 15:43 kf omg. 15:43 drojf ouch 15:44 drojf how did that happen? 15:44 kf new features I guess 15:44 kf and rewritten templates 15:44 druthb Most of it on staff, it looks like. 15:44 kf but that's a good thing in general.. I mean fixing things 15:44 kf druthb: most of it is always staff... it will get a lot worse when nicole submits her help files 15:45 drojf if you want to read help files, learn english :P 15:45 * druthb chains drojf to the desk, and locks the browser into Pootle. 15:45 drojf noooooooo 15:45 * druthb cracks the whip. 15:45 kf you know the problem, we can't easily ignore the help files... 15:46 kf lol 15:46 kf druthb++ :P 15:46 druthb For whip-crackin? 15:46 kf for makign drojf do it :P 15:46 druthb I dunno. 23Kwords. Might need both of ya. 15:46 drojf unfortunately i have to study instead of doing unpaid translation :P 15:47 druthb Norwegian is a hot mess too. 15:47 * druthb cracks the whip on magnuse, too 15:47 drojf @seen mveron 15:47 huginn drojf: mveron was last seen in #koha 4 weeks, 0 days, 8 hours, 13 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <mveron> BRB 15:47 drojf hm 15:47 druthb http://translate.koha-community.org/en_NZ/312/ #giggles 15:48 drojf heh, nz english requires a lot of attention 15:49 drojf when is translation time? 15:49 drojf ah, i pout that on the wiki i think 15:50 drojf String freeze - May 1 Starting on May 1, no patch (other than security patches) changing translatable strings will be accepted for Koha 3.12.0. 15:51 * magnuse sighs 15:53 * magnuse will hardly be upgrading to 3.12.0 anyway... 15:55 drojf like, never? 15:56 drojf oh, 3.12.0. that probably never 15:56 drojf but the words won't go away, you know? ;) 15:56 * drojf applies for the job of a pope 15:57 drojf and then we will do vatikoha 15:58 drojf in latin 15:59 kf bernardo++ :) 16:00 kf drojf: lol 16:00 kf druthb: en-nz is cheating 16:00 kf they just copy over 16:00 kf most of it 16:00 wahanui most of it is alive again afaict 16:00 druthb wahanui: forget most of it 16:00 wahanui druthb: I forgot most of it 16:02 * druthb thinks drojf would make a dandy pope. Plus, two German popes in a row--that's *never* happened. We hadda wait a looooong time for this one, and he turned out to be...less awesome than his predecessor. 16:02 kf drojf for pope! 16:02 * kf hides 16:05 drojf oh, and i would inherit the @pontifex twitter account \o/ 16:14 reiveune bye 16:18 druthb no need to hide, kf; looks like drojf is all for it! 16:19 druthb he has my vote, fer sure. 16:19 kf druthb: more worried about everyone else 16:20 druthb psst...hey, drojf...when you're Pope, will you talk to people about funding libraries better? Oh, and that whole LGBT equality thing? Yeah, Benedict XVI got it All Wrong, and people like me get killed by their (Catholic) neighbors a lot. 16:20 jenkins_koha Starting build #18 for job Koha_Docs_3.10.x (previous build: STILL FAILING) 16:20 jenkins_koha Starting build #283 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 9 mo 19 days ago) 16:20 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #283: STILL FAILING in 20 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/283/ 16:20 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update patron permissions 16:20 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: small format fix 16:20 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.10.x build #18: STILL FAILING in 20 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.10.x/18/ 16:20 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update patron permissions 16:20 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: small format fix 16:21 druthb :P 16:23 drojf druthb: yeah i'm beginning to wonder where i will find enough LGBT hate to qualify for the job 16:23 drojf also, faith in a god 16:24 druthb That would be a problem, yes. 16:25 druthb For someone who heads a religion that preaches universal love to all mankind, the incumbent sure seemed to dislike a lot of people. 16:26 drojf true 16:27 drojf but only because they are bad! :/ 16:27 * druthb suggests you ask any of her teammates, or kf, or any one of a dozen other regulars here, if she's a bad person, and then compare that to Benedict's opinion of me, and weigh appropriately. 16:28 alaquerre HI all, - Question : How can we send Html email using notification ? I do see the "Html Message" checkbox, but I'm not able to make it work ? 16:29 alaquerre It's always plain text whatever I try. 16:31 kf alaquerre: I think there is a wiki article that might be able to help you 16:31 kf let me look for it 16:31 kf I haven't tried myself yet, but I kinda filed away that ther was information ont he wiki if I wanted to :) 16:32 alaquerre Do you know where that wiki is ? Can't find anything in the doc on that subject. 16:32 kf give me a min 16:33 kf http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Customising_Notices_and_Slips 16:33 kf there are some examples that might be useful I think 16:34 alaquerre That's what I was looking for. :-) Thanks for your help! 16:34 kf you are welcome 16:34 kf hope it works 16:35 jenkins_koha Starting build #19 for job Koha_Docs_3.10.x (previous build: STILL FAILING) 16:35 jenkins_koha Starting build #284 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 9 mo 19 days ago) 16:35 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #284: STILL FAILING in 18 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/284/ 16:35 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update messaging preferences info 16:35 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.10.x build #19: STILL FAILING in 19 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.10.x/19/ 16:35 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update messaging preferences info 16:39 bag morning 16:39 wahanui rumour has it morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast 16:39 chris_n just when you thought you were safe: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2013/feb/10/raytheon-software-tracks-online-video 16:42 kf hi chris_n and ba 16:42 kf g 16:43 chris_n heya kf 16:43 alaquerre kf: Just an FYI : I was not able to make it work. I tested it on "ACQCLAIM" notice and still getting plain text. In the wiki you provided me, it mention : Only tested out on checkout and checkin. Look like the process of "send letter" is not completly on this new way to work. 16:43 alaquerre Just to let you know :-) 16:45 kf alaquerre: aah 16:45 kf don't do it with acqclaim 16:45 * drojf tries to continue studying 16:45 kf it probably won't work 16:45 kf try it with checkout/checkin/due/predue or something like that 16:46 kf I think serials/acq might not work I think 16:48 * kf leaves :) bye all 16:48 kf ! 16:50 jenkins_koha Starting build #285 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 9 mo 19 days ago) 16:50 jcamins_away magnuse: why aren't you going to upgrade to 3.12? 16:50 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #285: STILL FAILING in 20 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/285/ 16:50 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: add HTML5 prefs 16:56 jcamins HTML notices are not working. 16:56 jcamins The HTML support broke all notices so I reverted it. 16:57 alaquerre jcamins : okay thanks, I was not sure what I was doing wrong... 16:57 jcamins Nothing. :) 16:58 * jcamins suspects that kf blocked out my rage over the debacle from her memory. 16:58 * oleonard remembers jcamins telling us how he woke up the next morning wearing nothing but a pair of stretched out purple pants 16:59 jcamins lol 17:00 alaquerre I'll ask you another question :-). We are currently looking to put in place a "Google calendar" like system in Koha. Mainly do deal with Hold. What do you think of the idea ? What we want to be able to easily put "hard hold" on item ( materials like camera, computer and stuff like that.) 17:00 jcamins Ummm... 17:00 jcamins I think I'd have to see a demo. 17:00 alaquerre Where ? :-) 17:00 jcamins However, the calendar _definitely_ needs to be overhauled. 17:00 alaquerre ok sorry... 17:01 alaquerre ok 17:01 jcamins I'm having trouble envisioning the workflow with a working calendar. 17:02 alaquerre What we think : Put a "google like" calendar when user click on "hold" on an item. We need to handle : recuring hold and blocking hold. 17:02 alaquerre user = Staff at first... 17:03 alaquerre We want to give the ability to let say : Hold a specific DVD for friday PM for 4 months. 17:03 jcamins Ooh. 17:03 jcamins That would be really cool! 17:03 jcamins _Really_ cool. 17:03 alaquerre We also want to have a "visual" display of the current DVD. 17:04 jcamins I think it would be a huge undertaking, though. 17:04 alaquerre I know :-) but right now, my user are dealing with a second software... ($$$) 17:05 jcamins And I would remind you that with developments that big if you don't contribute code to the community in small chunks you end up with an expensive dead end. 17:05 jcamins :) 17:05 alaquerre Next question : I know we are into the opensource software, but how can I "make sure" it will be accepted. (you read in my mind) 17:06 jcamins As it happens, I have written a veritable essay on how to make sure your developments go in. 17:06 jcamins I will find it and share it. 17:07 alaquerre Because I wont start this project if I know it's not accepted, and the internationale community will never be able to tell me it will be accepted... until it is :-) 17:07 alaquerre I would luv to read on it. 17:08 pastebot "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "alaquerre: my screed on good development practices" (12 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/387 17:08 alaquerre jcamins: Thanks 17:08 jcamins You may need to paste that into a word processor. I had not realized it would end up with absurdly long lines like that. 17:09 oleonard Was that originally an email to the list jcamins? 17:09 jcamins oleonard: it was not. 17:10 oleonard jcamins++ # great summary 17:10 jcamins Thanks. 17:11 jcamins Something else worth mentioning would be "ask for advice early and often." 17:11 oleonard There are so many steps in that list which could, individually, sink a potential feature 17:14 oleonard (if not followed) 17:14 alaquerre All right, thanks for the advices. If I catch it properly, we should in the first phase only put the "google calendar" system and make sure it's autorized by the community, then extend with reccuring hold, blocking hold and some other feature... 17:15 * slef returns to kebab some more kittens 17:15 slef yes, alaquerre woke the slef by mentioning the evil google 17:15 alaquerre And this first phase would only replace the current calendar feature we have. 17:15 slef if it's google, make sure it's optional 17:16 alaquerre it "google like" and not "google" ;-) 17:17 slef it's a trojan for privacy invasion and advert sales? 17:17 slef ;) 17:18 jcamins alaquerre: yeah, that would make sense. And in order to do that first step, you'll have to figure out exactly where the calendar needs to show up. 17:18 slef chris_n: that doesn't surprise me one bit, sadly. Do you have a CERT you can report it to? 17:18 alaquerre slef:Do you prefer Microsoft Calendar ? ;-) 17:18 slef alaquerre: I prefer the calendar we sell ;-) 17:18 slef (based on sogo.nu) 17:19 alaquerre jcamins : okay,let me do my homework with my community and I'll get back to you guys for questions/answers before we jump in. THanks again!!! 17:19 jcamins You're welcome. I look forward to seeing what you come up with! 17:19 jcamins :D 17:19 alaquerre ciao! leaving for lunch. 17:19 oleonard slef: based on = customized? 17:19 * oleonard hadn't heard of sogo 17:20 chris_n slef: working on getting the logs together atm 17:20 jenkins_koha Starting build #286 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 9 mo 19 days ago) 17:20 chris_n they've worked from about 4 different ip blocks over the past 5 days 17:20 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #286: STILL FAILING in 21 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/286/ 17:20 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update for branch limitations 17:21 slef oleonard: integrated with a mailserver and cloud file synchronisation. 17:21 slef oooh mardi gras tomorrow 17:26 oleonard slef: Sounds like a nice alternative to Google Apps for Business 17:28 bag yeah mardi gras 17:28 bag great contribution to the conversation there bag! 17:32 oleonard bag: :) 17:35 jenkins_koha Starting build #287 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 9 mo 19 days ago) 17:35 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #287: STILL FAILING in 18 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/287/ 17:35 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update serial images with new closed status 17:43 oleonard bgkriegel++ # for signoffs! 17:45 bgkriegel :) 17:50 gaetan_B bye! 17:53 oleonard Do I recall correctly that jenkins fails the manual build because of é and è in the French translation? 17:53 jcamins oleonard: something like that, yes. 17:54 oleonard I wonder if there are others too 17:54 * oleonard doesn't know how to run the test himself 17:54 jcamins I don't know either, actually. 17:57 bgkriegel I think is "xmllint --valid fr/manual.xml" 17:57 bgkriegel that gives errors 17:57 cait bgkriegel++ 17:57 cait lots of sign-offs! 17:58 bgkriegel It's holiday here :) 17:58 cait even bgkriegel++ then :) 17:58 bgkriegel thanks 18:04 oleonard xmllint doesn't like the numeric character reference for the euro symbol either, but it doesn't mind € ? 18:04 oleonard I wonder if the unicode is widely acceptable... 18:05 cait I think it should be unicode 18:05 cait else you can't do something like arabic 18:05 cait probably 18:05 cait hm. maybe I shoudl have dinner. 18:06 oleonard maybe I should have lunch 18:06 * cait nods 18:52 oleonard xmllint gives other errors regarding the document structure...I'm surprised the original editor let them pass 18:53 * jcamins just learned about XForms. 18:54 oleonard nengard: What's the editor you use for the manual again? 18:54 jcamins I have concluded it is not nearly as useful as one might hope. 18:57 nengard oxygen 19:18 jcamins @marc 541 19:18 huginn jcamins: Information on the immediate source of acquisition of the described materials. The field is used primarily for original or historical items or other archival collections. (Repeatable) [a,b,c,d,e,f,h,n,o,3,5,6,8] 19:18 jcamins @marc 545 19:18 huginn jcamins: Biographical information about an individual or historical information about an institution or an event used as the main entry of the bibliographic record for the described materials. When a distinction between levels of detail is required, a brief summary is given in subfield $a and a fuller annotation is given in subfield $b. (Repeatable) [a,b,u,6,8] 19:18 jcamins That's the one. 19:18 jcamins @marc 561 19:18 huginn jcamins: A copy-specific field that contains information concerning the ownership and custodial history of the described materials from the time of their creation to the time of their accessioning, including the time at which individual items or group of items were first brought together in their current arrangement or collation. (Repeatable) [a,3,5,6,8] 19:18 jcamins @marc 563 19:19 huginn jcamins: Intended primarily for use with antiquarian materials, rare books and other special collections. (Repeatable) [a,u,3,5,6,8] 19:35 jcamins oleonard: you are quite right. 19:37 * jcamins updates the bug to reflect the larger scope of the problem. 19:42 oleonard jcamins: I'm glad you turned up Bug 3908, because I thought I was crazy for thinking I'd fixed Bug 7608 before 19:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3908 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, oleonard, CLOSED FIXED, Edit subscription page shows manual history block by default 19:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7608 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Needs Signoff , Manual history is always 'enabled' 19:42 oleonard Same fix too... 19:42 jcamins Yeah, I was a little confused. 19:43 jcamins I guess maybe 3908 went into 3.0-stable and not 3.1-devel. 19:47 * oleonard notices step 8 in jcamins' patch's test plan, "Sign off on patch." 19:47 oleonard So that's what I've been leaving out! 19:47 jcamins Hehe. 19:47 jcamins Just making sure all is clear. 19:48 oleonard Actually I'm very lucky. I hardly ever have patches languish. 19:48 cait because we love your patches :) 19:48 cait hm I should look up languish just to make sure 19:49 cait oh good 19:51 oleonard :) 20:01 * wizzyrea_away waves 20:04 oleonard The cascade of ternary operators at line 984+ of opac-detail.pl makes my head hurt. 20:07 * cait sends aspirin and cookies 20:09 jcamins Wow. 20:09 jcamins Hi wizzyrea! 20:10 pastebot "gmcharlt" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "oleonard: out of curiosity, does reformatting it like this help at all?" (7 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/388 20:10 jcamins wizzyrea: any chance I could get you to revert commit c0e60a9079c8ffa970676172870eab75ccbcac5d from 3.6.x? 20:11 wizzyrea sure 20:11 jcamins Thanks! 20:11 jcamins wizzyrea++ 20:11 wizzyrea also yes about the license - but not right this second 20:11 jcamins License? 20:11 wahanui hmmm... License is GPLv3+. 20:11 jcamins Thanks, wahanui. 20:11 wahanui jcamins: bitte 20:11 wizzyrea you sent me a later 20:12 jcamins I did? 20:12 jcamins Oh, yes! 20:12 oleonard Like three days ago eh? 20:12 jcamins I did! 20:12 * wizzyrea hasn't been around 20:16 jcamins I hope you were doing something fun? :) 20:16 wizzyrea git training :P 20:16 jcamins Nice! 20:18 * wizzyrea would talk more but can't at the moment :( 20:20 * oleonard shushes everyone so that wizzyrea can get back to listening to the tumblers on the safe 20:20 jcamins Hehe. 20:22 cait wizzyrea: git training sounds fun :) 20:51 oleonard The size of this search form is too damn wide! http://screencast.com/t/HWpyLdoU 20:51 cait yep 20:51 cait I thought that too today 20:52 cait maybe some of it could be part of the + part? 20:52 oleonard I thought it was another HTML5 bug at first. I guess I hadn't noticed the new option yet 20:52 cait I think it was something slef did not too long ago 20:53 oleonard cait: I'm thinking maybe show just the text input and the "search fields" option? 20:53 jcamins Wow, that's really wide! 20:53 slef oh patrons search? 20:53 cait yes 20:53 cait I like the functionality 20:53 oleonard I'm sure that would make someone mad 20:53 cait only it's bit much to take in 20:53 slef (I can't see screencast) 20:53 * jcamins vaguely remembers that the change was necessary to make the search work again. 20:54 slef jcamins: FSVO "work". We'd lost functionality we used to have. 20:54 jcamins Right. 20:54 cait it's stil not finding all patrons when you send an empty serach... 20:54 cait just noting. sigh. 20:54 cait we used to have that too 20:57 cait hm 20:57 cait someone an idea about bug 9579? 20:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9579 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED WORKSFORME, Incorrect display of UNICODE symbols in 'Refine Search Results' 20:57 cait my armenian is a bit rusty... 20:57 jcamins No idea. 20:58 slef cait: search for _ or __ IIRC, but that's a bug. 20:58 cait slef: huh? 20:58 slef "finding all patrons when you send an empty serach" 20:58 cait you are confusing me :) 20:58 cait but that's easy to do 21:03 oleonard Search for an empty space I think cait. " " 21:03 cait ah thx! 21:03 oleonard Sorry wahanui, did that disagree with you? 21:04 eythian_ wahanui has fainting spells 21:04 wahanui eythian_: i'm not following you... 21:06 slef huh? 21:06 slef wahanui: huh? 21:06 wahanui i don't know, slef 21:10 oleonard Do people use the "order by" option when searching patrons? 21:10 cait hm not sure 21:15 oleonard talljoy++ 21:15 oleonard Thanks for your help with patron deletions talljoy 21:16 talljoy no problem. thank goodness for backups! 21:16 bag YAY backups! 21:54 rangi eythian_: puck was telling me tinymce2 isn't in wheezy (it was in squeeze but has been taken out) 21:54 rangi so we might have to look into replacing that 21:54 eythian_ oh, that's unfortunate. 21:55 eythian_ Actually, I can't remember if we use the packaged version or not, I'd have to check. 22:09 alohabot Hi mib_cn8suk, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 22:09 mib_cn8suk hello to everybody 22:09 mib_cn8suk anyone works with SSO, and proxy CAS? 22:12 rangi not me im afraid 22:12 jcamins Not me. 22:12 mib_cn8suk ok 22:12 mib_cn8suk Its driving me mad 22:12 mib_cn8suk :( 22:16 dcook Morning, #koha 22:20 bag morning dcook 22:20 bag hopefully good 22:22 dcook The weather outside has cooled off a bit but the office is still a bit of a hot box. Reasonably good nonetheless though :) 22:22 dcook It's afternoon there? 22:24 bag yup about 2:30 22:24 eythian_ @wunder nzwn 22:24 huginn eythian_: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 19.0°C (11:00 AM NZDT on February 12, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Falling). 22:24 bag @wunder 93102 22:24 huginn bag: The current temperature in Near Mission - TC, Santa Barbara, California is 14.9°C (2:22 PM PST on February 11, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 22%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020 hPa (Falling). 22:26 dcook @wunder sydney, australia 22:26 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 20.0°C (9:00 AM EST on February 12, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 22:27 dcook Santa Barbara sounds pretty good about now ;) 22:28 bag it always sounds about the same :) 22:28 bag maybe in the summer we get up to 24 22:29 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ranginui: "@TheRealArty you can login in with it, https://t.co/14Czoo9M so if your user has its email set in #kohails to one you use with persona" 22:29 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ranginui: "yay my mozilla persona patch for #kohails has been signed off by a developer from argentina" 22:30 dcook Oh neat 22:30 dcook I went to uni with TheRealArty 22:30 rangi yep, i gave her chocolate at access 2011 22:30 dcook Always a surefire way to win someone over ;) 22:30 rangi cos she submitted a bug report for koha, in shirley lews class 22:30 dcook Hehe. Sweet. 22:31 bag ah shirley lew! 22:31 dcook Alas, I did not end up taking that class, as I was here in Aus 22:31 bag we are hosting her "sandbox" 22:31 rangi yep 22:32 dcook As far as I know, she's not teaching at SLAIS anymore :/ 22:37 dcook Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel has been a machine lately. It's great! 22:37 rangi yep 22:38 dcook I guess I need to find some other bugs to test now though :p 22:39 rangi there's plenty ;) 22:40 dcook Actually, that reminds me... 22:40 dcook Off the top of your head, does Zebra require any tweaks to work with a dev install? 22:42 jcamins No. 22:42 dcook I love your brevity, jcamins ;) 22:42 dcook Good to know 22:44 bag tweaks in what sense? 22:44 bag dom or grs1? 22:47 jcamins None. 22:48 jcamins You can use either without modifying any configuration files manually. 22:49 * bag didn't understand the term "tweaks" I guess I have a different definition than jared (my bad) 22:49 bag :) 22:49 dcook Sorry, bag. I meant in terms of modifying files manually 22:50 bag ahhh than we are all good dcook - that's all the matters :) 22:50 dcook For some reason, I haven't gotten Zebra to work on my dev install yet, and I haven't had the time to really focus on getting it up and running yet. But...when I do...it'll help with testing patches 22:50 dcook I thought that switching between dom and grs1 did require changes outside of the webui though. Mind you, I haven't looked at that since last year either 22:52 bag I've seen that sometimes there are some group/user issues with the daemon before 22:54 dcook Hmm. How do you mean? 22:55 bag looking one sec 22:55 dcook Sure. Thanks, bag :) 22:57 bag http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=misc/bin/koha-zebra-ctl.sh 22:57 bag the GROUP and USER statement there 22:57 bag but it has been awhile since I've gone from step one of the install docs - so my knowledge could be a bit "old" 22:58 bag which has been proven before :P 23:02 dcook Ohhh...I think I might see what you're saying 23:02 dcook Hmm, maybe not 23:03 bag HA see what I mean 23:04 dcook Well, I'm still rather new to Linux and Zebra, so I'm probably just missing something 23:05 bag yeah permissions was what got me BIG time in the beginning 23:05 jcamins dcook: you should be using your user rather than sudo for all Zebra-related commands. 23:05 dcook Permissions definitely gave me quite a headache at first too. I'm sure jcamins could attest to that with my early patches 23:06 jcamins That's what bag was getting at. :) 23:06 dcook Ahh 23:06 dcook Thanks for the clarification :) 23:06 dcook I don't have root access anyway, so I'm always doing everything as a user 23:08 dcook Wait... 23:09 dcook But "a user" and "your user" are different, as the user specified in that file is koha whereas I'm logged in as a different user 23:15 dcook I've never had to use the Zebra u/n and p/w when using yaz though, so I'm thinking perhaps this isn't the issue. 23:15 dcook I'm trying a re-index now, and I think it might be working 23:16 * dcook thinks the issue might've been that I wasn't exporting my PERL5LIB and Koha_conf before... 23:16 jcamins No, I meant your login user. 23:16 jcamins And, yeah, PERL5LIB and KOHA_CONF are very important. 23:17 dcook :P 23:18 dcook In the past, I think I just saw errors when I tried something, and I chocked it up to inexperience, so I put it off for another time. 23:19 dcook One of these days, I'm going to do a standard install and a dev install from scratch, and right up some wiki docs from the "rookie" perspective. 23:19 dcook Hmm.. 23:19 dcook Ok, now I'm thinking that it is a permission/user issue 23:20 dcook 10:11:20-12/02 zebraidx(4995) [warn] zebra_lock_create fail fname=.../lock/zebradb/biblios/norm..LCK [Permission denied] 23:20 dcook 10:11:20-12/02 zebraidx(4995) [warn] zebra_lock_create fail fname=.../lock/zebradb/biblios/shadow..LCK [Permission denied] 23:20 dcook 10:11:20-12/02 zebraidx(4995) [fatal] Could not select database biblios errCode=109 23:20 dcook 10:11:20-12/02 zebraidx(4996) [warn] zebra_lock_create fail fname=.../lock/zebradb/biblios/norm..LCK [Permission denied] 23:20 dcook 10:11:20-12/02 zebraidx(4996) [warn] zebra_lock_create fail fname=/.../lock/zebradb/biblios/shadow..LCK [Permission denied] 23:20 dcook 10:11:20-12/02 zebraidx(4996) [fatal] Could not select database biblios errCode=109 23:20 eythian_ if you've run it as root, you've probably broken all your permissions. 23:21 dcook I've never run as root, but perhaps someone else has? 23:21 dcook I'm not running as the Zebra user though 23:21 eythian_ you typically run it as the koha user 23:21 eythian_ you don't normally have a zebra user 23:22 dcook Hmm 23:22 dcook And the koha user is which one? 23:22 dcook bag, the one mentioned in koha-zebra-ctl.sh? 23:22 eythian_ have a look through your users and see if you have one. It's often called koha. 23:23 jcamins dcook: in a dev install, the koha user is the one that you installed Koha as. 23:23 eythian_ oh, dev install 23:23 wahanui dev install is on, some cataloging already goin, so I guess I;m almost there 23:23 dcook Hmm 23:23 jcamins So if the git clone is /home/dcook/kohaclone, it's probably dcook. 23:23 eythian_ yeah, often just your own user. 23:23 dcook I didn't do the dev install though 23:23 eythian_ what did you do then? 23:23 dcook I suggested running a dev install, and my boss is the one who did it 23:24 dcook When you do the dev install, is your user picked up and written into a config somewhere? 23:24 eythian_ no 23:24 eythian_ it's just the owner of the files 23:25 dcook Hmm 23:26 dcook Well, I am the owner, so maybe he did use my user 23:26 dcook Unless he chowned it afterward 23:26 eythian_ why don't you check? 23:26 bgkriegel dcook: do an 'ls -l' 23:26 eythian_ who owns the lock files that you are getting the errors on? 23:26 dcook Just did, and yeah I'm the owner 23:26 dcook Ah 23:26 dcook That...makes more sense, eythian_, lol 23:26 * dcook facepalm 23:28 dcook I'm the owner of the git, but not the dev directory with all the symbolic links 23:28 eythian_ More importantly, who owns the lock file and the zebra database files. 23:29 eythian_ that's what your problem is. You are best looking at your problem to start with. 23:29 dcook Reasonable advice is reasonable 23:31 * dcook is running the re-index now 23:32 dcook It's very interesting going from front-end support to back-end support. Zebra was always made to seem very mystical, but it's all logic... 23:32 eythian_ it'll go back to being mystical soon enough 23:33 dcook Without a doubt 23:33 dcook 10:26:53-12/02 zebraidx(9184) [warn] Unknown register type: 23:33 dcook At least some records seem to have been indexed though 23:37 dcook Or maybe they were all indexed. I see a Zebralist post from Fridolyn regarding unknown register type but those had a type code in the warning... 23:37 dcook In any case, thanks heaps eythian_ and jcamins! 23:38 eythian_ I have no idea what that error means 23:38 dcook I'll investigate :) 23:38 dcook My search is finally working now regardless, although I'd hate to ignore any error message... 23:38 bag :) 23:39 dcook Thanks to you too, bag! 23:39 bag sorry checked out there for a bit - but eythian is great! 23:40 dcook I think I'm going to have to buy quite a few thank you beers in October :p 23:42 jcamins That warning is nothing to worry about. 23:42 dcook No? 23:42 wahanui http://i.imgur.com/hVVuP.jpg 23:43 dcook lol 23:43 jcamins Annoying, but not disastrous. 23:43 dcook What's it caused by? 23:53 dcook Hmm. I'll have to keep it in the back of my mind 23:55 dcook And to have incrementalzebra.pl working, you need to set up a cronjob