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23:59 jcamins Hehe.
23:58 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @anomalily: "I want a kickass developer to build me a netflix-esque algorithm for @kohails "Critically-Acclaimed Zines with a Strong Female Lead"."
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23:55 jcamins They sure do!
23:54 bag grandparents rule btw
23:54 bag heh
23:54 jcamins It was very nice.
23:53 jcamins Twelve years ago.
23:53 bag AHHH when was that?
23:53 jcamins I had thought that we had done that on a different trip.
23:53 bag maybe next time I'm there
23:53 jcamins My grandparents pointed out that we did go up last time I was there.
23:53 bag I haven't
23:53 jcamins We did not.
23:53 bag did you go up the tram?
23:52 * jcamins sighs rapturously.
23:51 wahanui the weather is nigh-on perfect here this morning...clear, 65F, supposed to get into the high 80s. Rain possible later in the week.
23:51 jcamins And the weather...
23:51 jcamins Yeah, very nice.
23:51 dcook Good trip?
23:51 bag you have a good trip jcamins
23:51 jcamins As of last night.
23:51 jcamins Back in New York.
23:51 dcook jcamins: are you back in New York or still in California?
23:51 bag night night cait
23:51 dcook Yep. Got back about a month ago.
23:51 huginn bag: cait was last seen in #koha 1 hour, 27 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <cait> good night #koha :)
23:51 bag @seen cait
23:50 jcamins dcook: I guess you're back in Australia?
23:48 dcook That doesn't sound so bad...
23:48 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Vancouver, British Columbia is 8.0°C (3:00 PM PST on February 05, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.78 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
23:48 dcook @wunder vancouver, canada
23:48 dcook I suppose it is technically summer here after all, but still!
23:45 huginn bag: The current temperature in Near Mission - TC, Santa Barbara, California is 13.7°C (3:43 PM PST on February 05, 2013). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling).
23:45 bag @wunder 93102
23:45 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 25.0°C (10:30 AM EST on February 06, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
23:45 dcook @wunder sydney, australia
23:45 dcook Hehe. I was wondering what part of Germany you were in
23:45 drojf heat is definitely not a problem around here :D
23:45 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 1.8°C (12:13 AM CET on February 06, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.44 in 997 hPa (Steady).
23:45 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
23:43 drojf sounds like it
23:42 dcook I actually managed to get enough sleep, but 3rd day of work with no air conditioning. 8 hours of 30 degrees...fun times
23:41 rambutan time to go...ltr
23:40 dcook Gotta love that feeling
23:40 drojf i think i'm too tired to go to bed
23:40 drojf dcook: late evening ;)
23:39 dcook Very early morning, perhaps? :P
23:38 dcook morning drojf
23:38 drojf morning dcook
23:38 drojf that camera module is tiny 20x25mm or something. excellent for clumsy people like myself
23:35 rambutan I just found the 15pin CSI port for the PiCam
23:34 dcook Morning #koha
23:31 drojf but with one running koha and one running my harddisk and bittorrent… where am i going to plug in the camera? /o\
23:30 jcamins Hehe.
23:29 drojf i suppose they will upgrade model a to 512mb ram in a few months
23:28 drojf okok, i'll buy one… :D kidding, maybe later
23:28 drojf ah, yes
23:28 jcamins Like a solar panel?
23:28 jcamins i.e. the other one could be plugged into a power source?
23:27 jcamins You only need to plug one USB into the computer, right?
23:27 drojf ?
23:27 jcamins But one is just power?
23:27 drojf jcamins: my wifi dongle needs the power of two it seems
23:26 jcamins drojf: what's the problem with 1 USB?
23:26 drojf http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/3215
23:26 drojf yes
23:25 rambutan 1 usb slot only? the Mod A you mean?
23:22 drojf hm. model a needs only 1/3 of the power of model b. but with one usb slot only i cannot power my wifi adapter, otherwise that would scream "raspberry solar koha" ;)
23:17 drojf i'll take the drops while i wait for the raspberry pi camera module
23:11 rangi yeah unfortunately its hard for spam filters to catch ppl who are legitimately subscribed to the list and post urls, without stopping almost everyone :)
23:10 rangi heh
23:09 rambutan how timely, I was just thinking I needed some Raspberry drops
22:51 drojf weird
22:51 jcamins I got it every time.
22:51 jcamins I don't think so.
22:51 drojf add 'report' somewhere in that sentence
22:50 drojf jcamins: i also don't get the error with plack. it just does the report. i do a statistics wizard-patrons and include my extended attribute. is there something else i am missing?
22:50 jcamins As long as it's drojf going down the rabbit hole, I'm all for it! :P
22:49 drojf :)
22:48 rangi im not sure we want to go that far down the rabbit hole tho :)
22:47 rangi sweet
22:47 rangi heh
22:47 drojf we can draw the covers in canvas ;)
22:46 drojf https://hacks.mozilla.org/2012/02/saving-images-and-files-in-localstorage/ <- heh
22:46 * jcamins bounces excitedly on his exercise ball- drojf is making multiple cover images play nice together!
22:44 drojf yeah that should work
22:44 rangi ie local first, then openlibary, then google etc
22:44 rangi and then in the syspref, you just define the priority
22:43 rangi that way it can handle local images too
22:42 drojf yeah
22:41 rangi with some kinda timeout thing
22:41 rangi if none are found cache that too
22:40 rangi then hit the url if it 404, try the next place, etc
22:40 rangi and then a library to conver isbn to asin or whatever
22:39 rangi yeah
22:39 drojf sure. something like lot's of {"isbn":"http://my.url/path/file.png"}ses should work. or something more sophisticated i have not learned yet
22:35 rangi you totally could store the urls to images in it easily
22:35 drojf indeed. it took me some time to get out the same that i put in but now it works
22:34 rangi localstorage is cool
22:34 rangi h
22:34 rangi he
22:33 drojf i have managed to use localstorage once and read half a canvas tutorial this morning. i am fully prepared for the app business :D
22:32 rangi heh
22:31 drojf while we're at it, let's make the mobile view an app too
22:30 drojf rangi: yes, having a centralized server is the wrong idea for most things and i'm very sure it is for the cover stuff
22:29 edveal I just submitted a bug report dealing with the ccsr theme. Apparently OPACMobileUserCSS being overriden by OPACUserCSS.
22:29 drojf i read it like in apache it gives warning and under plack its broken
22:28 jcamins The point of the Apache bit was to make sure that it still worked the same.
22:28 drojf ah, then i misunderstood it, alright then
22:28 jcamins Oh, that problem occurs only under Plack.
22:27 drojf jcamins: then i cannot reproduce it. i could try the plack part anyway, i have oinly tried apache so far
22:27 rangi and it will work fine in modern browsers too
22:27 jcamins I got those in intranet-error.log.
22:27 rangi exactly
22:27 drojf make it a cover app
22:26 drojf heh, rangi speaks firefoxosish
22:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9451 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , borrower_stats.pl gives off warnings and is not Plack-compatible
22:25 drojf jcamins: i don't see these errors in intranet-error.log, or should i look somewhere else? bug 9451
22:25 rangi i dont think we need to build a new server/service
22:25 rangi using html5 and localstorage or indexdb
22:25 rangi however i think we can implement frederircd idea totally clientside
22:24 jcamins Ah.
22:24 rangi someone has been hacked
22:24 rangi it was the spam
22:23 wahanui hmmm... Caching is good. Caching using module variables is not.
22:23 jcamins Caching what?
22:23 cait good night #koha :)
22:23 * cait may be too tired
22:22 cait I don't see how that is not caching?
22:22 wahanui mailing list is at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/
22:22 cait mailing list?
22:22 cait ah
22:21 cait hm?
22:20 rangi oh joy
22:12 cait drojf: oh yes...
22:08 BobB :) .. familiar feeling
22:07 drojf problem is, i feel like i had skipped sleep for a week
22:05 drojf i wish i could skip sleep for a week or two. days too short
21:55 cait drojf: you are not afraid of proper tst plans, are you?
21:46 drojf and then the last sentence is »- Do all of this both for GRS-1 indexing and for DOM indexing...«
21:45 jcamins lol
21:45 drojf if the test plan does not fit on my screen i probably do not have enough time to follow it
21:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9213 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Implement analytics for NORMARC XSLT
21:44 drojf bug 9213 scares me off every time i open it
21:44 drojf and now it could work with plack too. if only someone would qa it ;)
21:43 drojf yes
21:43 cait the staged order? :)
21:43 drojf that's a nice functionality i did not know of :)
21:36 drojf ok that shows up, thanks
21:34 cait nice tiny marc file for testing with all the records I want
21:34 cait drojf: one of my tricks is to send me a cart from opac
21:34 drojf imported and reverted. alright. then i'll find me a nice file
21:34 cait and authority imports show up there accidentally - but i filed a bug for that
21:33 cait if you undo an import... they will show up again
21:33 drojf wait
21:33 drojf ok
21:33 drojf AH!
21:33 cait they won't show up
21:33 drojf but i dont see any of them
21:33 cait if tey are imported
21:33 drojf hm i had files there
21:33 jcamins Oh, right. You need to stage some files first.
21:33 cait but don't import it
21:33 drojf for importß
21:33 cait like you would do for an import
21:33 cait drojf: stage a file in tools
21:33 drojf hrmgl. no. i still don't get where that file should have been staged. i see no files. i didn't stage any so that is ok i guess
21:33 cait :)
21:30 drojf thanks
21:30 drojf ah i see it
21:29 jcamins There's a link for "From a staged file."
21:29 jcamins At the bottom it says "Add order to basket"
21:29 jcamins Open a basket.
21:29 * drojf is an acquisition noob. but i'm trying to spell the word correctly
21:27 drojf staged for… acquisition? where would i do that? i don't see that option
21:27 jcamins Adding an item to an order from a staged record.
21:26 jcamins oh, right.
21:26 jcamins It is...
21:26 jcamins drojf: good question.
21:26 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1036: FIXED in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1036/
21:26 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
21:26 drojf jcamins: what is acqui/addorderiso2409.pl and how do i get there?
21:26 rambutan I need coffee.
21:26 rambutan well, thinkgs are ok now, but it's been a long day.
21:25 jcamins I'd laugh appreciatively, but I know you're serious.
21:24 rambutan Fortunately, fortunately, in my absence they didn't try to reboot Koha endlessly.
21:24 jcamins I didn't know there was an actual problem.
21:23 rambutan .
21:23 rambutan If I could get a complete Kaspersky update to finish the those machines were OK>
21:23 rambutan I had to do that on three machines. The others I just kept beating Kaspersky with updates. Sometimes it would only install one or two, and I'd reboot, get another 1-2 to load, lather, rinse, repeat
21:22 jcamins I uninstalled Kaspersky and installed the Microsoft alternative and it worked fine.
21:21 glawson_ hey, how'd I get to be me?
21:21 jcamins glawson_: huh! I thought it was just that the old XP computer we have plugged into our TV sucks.
21:21 glawson_ However, at our remote branch I have a single user running Linux Mint, and her computer ran just fine all day and saved the world as they know it from total meltdown.
21:20 drojf windows + xp + antivirus sounds like a good combination
21:20 glawson_ http://thenextweb.com/apps/2013/02/05/kaspersky-antivirus-update-cripples-internet-for-thousands-of-windows-xp-machines/
21:20 jcamins lol
21:20 glawson_ Network/koha problem you know, and of course, I was off work yesterday.
21:19 glawson_ So yesterday an asteroid entered earth's atmosphere and scattered Kr-band ionizing rays over the world, and none of our Windows XP computers would connect to Koha or Google.
20:48 jcamins Ah.
20:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8806 minor, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Debian packaging updates
20:48 drojf jcamins: it's in the patch for bug 8806
20:47 jcamins drojf: building a package?
20:46 drojf do we have a "add 'needs a test plan' to every bug" button?
20:45 drojf i foun dit
20:45 drojf ah
20:45 drojf i have never seen it. where is it?
20:44 oleonard Huh... How long have we had a "clone this bug" link in Bugzilla?
20:44 drojf »Depends: EEEK: unknown package for Data::Pagination« lol is that supposed to look like that?
20:41 jcamins :)
20:41 drojf ah i did not see the attachment and was confused what to do :)
20:41 jcamins Yes.
20:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9381 trivial, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Needs Signoff , Add Catalan language
20:40 drojf is bug 9381 a valid bug? i don't see wgat is there to test. we know the translation functionality works
20:30 senator :-)
20:30 jcamins oleonard: uh-oh.
20:29 oleonard Who says our nation's Congress isn't tech-savvy?
20:29 cait useful
20:29 cait I should note that somewhere :)
20:29 cait oh
20:29 jcamins Thanks!
20:29 senator git tag --contains <commit>
20:28 jcamins How do you find out which tags have a particular commit?
20:24 jcamins LibreOffice is now using gerrit.
20:20 cait BobB: and getting late here... can feel the day
20:19 jenkins_koha Starting build #1036 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1033 4 days 3 hr ago)
20:19 jenkins_koha rangi: job koha_master build scheduled now
20:19 rangi !jenkins build koha_master now
20:19 BobB early morning here, still bleary eyed. :)
20:18 BobB hi cait
20:18 cait hi BobB :)
20:16 jcamins Ah. Makes sense.
20:16 rangi jcamins: network to thingxisbn i think
20:14 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ibeardslee: "Kiritaki Koha Android app has an update with the work done by the @CatalystAcademy students. https://t.co/GFOyv8xM #kohails #flossac"
20:13 jcamins I'd like to know why XISBN fails randomly.
20:13 wahanui unstable is probably sid
20:13 jcamins Still unstable?
20:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9509 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , batchMod.pl does not ensure each barcode is unique
20:12 jenkins_koha kyle: Bug 9509 - batchMod.pl does not ensure each barcode is unique
20:12 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1035: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1035/
19:44 rangi yep
19:42 oleonard I guess we don't have a cron job for it
19:37 jcamins That's the idea behind C4::Service or C4::BackgroundJob or whatever.
19:36 rangi all those things like patron import, batch changes etc, would work a lot more reliably if we backgrounded them using the same technique
19:36 rangi if it takes a while, you will get that, if its not working in the background, like stage marc import
19:32 jcamins Odd.
19:32 oleonard I get a gateway time-out when I test it in my VM
19:31 cait oleonard: I haven't needed it yet I am afraid - so don't know
19:30 jcamins oleonard: it did when I tested it.
19:30 oleonard Batch patron deletion... Does it work? Did I already ask this?
19:14 rangi heh that's awesome
19:12 jcamins two months.
19:12 jcamins The ebook would take about...
19:12 jcamins However, I can have the paper books in the time it takes to mail a book from Flushing.
19:11 jcamins Oh... at least Overdrive is apparently now offering books that can be read on e-readers.
19:11 cait yeah that's bad :(
19:11 rangi ive seen that a lot :(
19:11 rangi so the library just becomes a patron database for overdrive to use
19:10 jcamins oleonard: granted.
19:09 rangi its doing it outside of your catalogue
19:09 rangi you know whats even worse than offering overdrive
19:09 oleonard If you had to know how to use the tab key to move between form fields to qualify there really would be a librarian shortage.
19:08 rangi heh
19:08 jcamins rangi: hey! Would you like a piece of the Brooklyn Bridge?
19:08 jcamins rangi: ALA... the organization that claims that there's an impending librarian shortage?
19:07 rangi </rant>
19:07 rangi but they spend time arguing about streaming the council meetings instead
19:07 rangi you'd think something like ALA would do it
19:06 rangi while loudly applauding publishers like Tor who provide drm free ebooks
19:06 rangi and actually call vendors on their bullshit publicly
19:06 rangi yep its not an easy problem, and they would have to break a habit formed over years and years
19:05 jenkins_koha Starting build #1035 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1033 4 days 1 hr ago)
19:05 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9509' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f17c016dfb71466923526128e9e0f4773b394f4c> / Bug 9509 - batchMod.pl does not ensure each barcode is unique <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=11feabf09b56c4a8756c882b289bc9d3bbf10ab0>
19:05 wahanui oleonard: huh?
19:05 oleonard wahanui has it right there :)
19:04 wahanui rumour has it the former is much more complicated
19:04 rangi the former
19:04 oleonard rangi: Do you think libraries should be pursuing alternate ways of lending ebooks, or do you think ebooks are part of the problem?
19:04 jcamins Though it did freeze when I tried to do a search.
19:04 jcamins Queens Library's discovery layer did not prevent me from requesting the book.
19:04 rangi heh
19:04 * jcamins is very excited about learning the 85 ways to tie a tie.
19:03 rangi oh, and lets throw a ton of cash down the discovery layer hole too while we are creating things that don't actually help people
19:02 jcamins Oh well.
19:02 jcamins Something non-fiction-y.
19:02 jcamins What was the other book I wanted?
19:01 libsysguy I need metadata searching for dummies
19:01 jcamins After I finished cracking myself up, I went ahead and requested a book I could actually read.
19:01 rangi 'oh it sux, it's horrible for our borrowers .. meh lets do it anyway'
19:01 rangi is an example of why libraries are in trouble
19:01 jcamins libsysguy: I meant paper books.
19:00 rangi i think overdrive
19:00 * oleonard gets in line behind 38,000,000 other people to use Google
19:00 oleonard And because it's an electronic file, only one person can view it at a time.
19:00 libsysguy at least that has been my experience with it
18:59 libsysguy none, they are all already checked out
18:59 jcamins I wonder how many books I can request at a time...
18:59 * jcamins chuckles. I'm so funny.
18:58 jcamins Oh, wait.
18:58 jcamins Hey... I could take out a book with Overdrive.
18:58 jcamins Exactly.
18:58 libsysguy :p
18:58 libsysguy jcamins is rewriting searching
18:57 libsysguy ^^ this
18:57 jcamins libsysguy: you are rewriting metasearch.
18:57 * libsysguy is already rewriting searching
18:56 * oleonard snaps his fingers impatiently
18:56 oleonard rangi said it, so somebody better go do it!
18:55 rangi if someone wanted to add that as a syspref, that would be cool, on by default for new installs, off for upgrades
18:55 rangi we dont lock people out
18:51 libsysguy oh wowza
18:50 jcamins libsysguy: I've been trying twice every few days for the last six months.\
18:50 oleonard Uh...
18:50 libsysguy geez
18:50 libsysguy they let you try 30 times and didn't lock you out?
18:50 jcamins tries.
18:50 jcamins thirty...
18:50 jcamins It only took...
18:50 jcamins I figured it out.
18:50 jcamins Wow.
18:49 libsysguy 7777?
18:49 jcamins I really wish I knew my PIN for the local library's catalog.
18:49 jcamins Grr.
18:48 jcamins I have no problem with a combined enhancement.
18:48 libsysguy or should I have one for remove pazpar2 and one for adding meta
18:47 libsysguy could I say, replace pazpar2 with metaproxy?
18:47 libsysguy so if I were to enter an enh for this
18:46 libsysguy jcamins is a fast learner
18:45 jcamins He was right.
18:45 jcamins And I said "jeez, wth do we have the code, then, if it has never functioned?" And his response was something like "I don't need to tell you that."
18:45 wahanui libsysguy: I forgot yeah that
18:45 libsysguy wahanui forget yeah that
18:45 wahanui rumour has it yeah that is fine as it is
18:45 libsysguy yeah that
18:45 libsysguy I think he said it wasn't working anymore
18:45 jcamins rangi clarified that the Pazpar2 code in Koha was broken, and he wrote a proof-of-concept not using that code.
18:45 libsysguy I asked
18:44 jcamins I did too.
18:44 cait so maybe don't kick it out yet
18:44 cait I think rangi had it working not too long ago
18:44 libsysguy its just sitting there hogging up disc space
18:44 jcamins cait: pazpar2 doesn't work.
18:44 libsysguy but paz doesn't work anyway
18:44 * libsysguy is just messing around
18:44 cait shouldn't we have something working before we remove something?
18:43 * libsysguy should start removing paz from master
18:42 jcamins Right.
18:41 libsysguy meta expects unambiguous
18:41 libsysguy so paz expects ambiguous
18:39 jcamins If they're saying "you need to map from unambiguous to ambiguous so we can re-map it to unambiguous," better to just go with an unambiguous-unambiguous mapping.
18:38 libsysguy thats kind of what I'm thinking
18:37 jcamins Okay, metaproxy ftw.
18:37 jcamins I see.
18:37 jcamins Hm.
18:37 libsysguy there you go
18:37 pastebot "libsysguy" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "indexdata" (7 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/379
18:36 jcamins libsysguy: ... that makes no sense at all.
18:35 cait hm?
18:34 libsysguy they recommend writing mapping files from PQF -CCL
18:34 libsysguy I heard back from index data
18:34 libsysguy hey jcamins
18:28 * drojf packs and heads home
18:27 * chris_n offers to help rangi carry the zillion nearly-empty boxes of cereal to the table
18:27 cait morning
18:25 * rangi gets up to feed the horde
18:25 rangi morning
18:25 rangi heh
18:24 drojf ha. firefox os is not even released and has more apps than webos ever got
18:20 * chris_n hands jcamins a gordian knot
18:19 * cait waves
18:17 drojf lol
18:17 oleonard So, shorter than average drojf?
18:15 drojf oh wow, 100 pages of TOS
18:14 * magnuse finally groks the last part of his sip2 puzzle and calls it a day before he can discover anything wrong with the solution
18:14 drojf rangi: works in safe mode. looks like it does not like one of my extensions
18:12 jcamins It's not the right kind of tie for an Eldredge knot, but it's still pretty awesome.
18:07 jcamins Much easier than a bowtie.
18:07 * jcamins successfully tied an Eldredge knot!
18:01 jcamins Thanks!
18:00 rangi jcamins: i switched 3.4 to inactive too
18:00 rangi updated version of kiritaki koha just came out
18:00 rangi speaking of apps
17:59 rangi weird
17:58 drojf strange. i even turned off all adblockers, cookie stuff, script blockers etc
17:58 jcamins rangi: thanks.
17:58 rangi hmm i just logged in ok
17:57 drojf s/don't/not/
17:57 drojf i can login directly to persona though. just don't use it for anything :D
17:57 drojf hm. i get a popup that says "connecting to persona" and nothing ever happens
17:57 rangi that reminds me, i have to finish my persona code for koha before march 15
17:56 rangi yep
17:55 drojf rangi: have you visited the dev part of the mozilla marketplace by any chance?
17:55 drojf »Persona. Simplified sign-in«. cool. just can't login
17:54 rangi jcamins: done and done
17:54 drojf heh maybe. maybe there are little-usb dongles
17:53 jcamins You mean... bluetooth? :P
17:53 drojf i need wireless usb
17:52 drojf i have some at home. but to get there i would like to put more music on my music player here and now :(
17:52 * oleonard blames jcamins' cats
17:51 jcamins We have a chronic shortage.
17:50 * oleonard offers one of his 5
17:50 drojf my kingdom for a mini usb cable. or is it micro?
17:26 kf bye all :)
17:23 nengard thinkgeek
17:23 nengard There are more funny ones on thinkigeek
17:23 nengard :) hehe
17:22 drojf me neither. i expected its existance, still it's funny to actually see it being sold :)
17:22 oleonard Useful for a laptop I guess. I just take this desktop keyboard apart and bathe it.
17:21 jcamins I hadn't.
17:21 jcamins lol
17:21 nengard you've never seen that?
17:20 drojf lol
17:19 nengard :)
17:19 nengard http://www.amazon.com/Vacuum-Cleaner-hoover-Keyboard-Product/dp/B000MVD55E
17:19 nengard yes
17:19 drojf usb powered?
17:14 nengard you need one of those keyboard vacuums
17:08 kf lol
17:08 * oleonard rants while eating cookies, sprays crumbs on his keyboard
17:07 kf people, stop ranting, eat more cookies.
17:07 oleonard Even the small patches need test plans!
17:07 * oleonard feels ranty about patches without test plans
17:07 kf ignore that :)
17:07 kf $Caitli
17:03 jcamins lol
17:03 * drojf feels ranty
17:03 drojf people who bought "please provide step by step instructions" on the web also bought "can you do it for me?" in real life
16:15 jcamins lol
16:15 wahanui oleonard: i haven't a clue
16:15 oleonard wahanui: Why was 6 afraid of 7?
16:14 wahanui jcamins: i'm not following you...
16:14 jcamins wahanui: 4 mod 3
16:14 wahanui 4
16:14 jcamins wahanui: 4 // 3
16:14 wahanui 1.33333333333333
16:14 jcamins wahanui: 4 / 3
16:14 wahanui jcamins: sorry...
16:14 jcamins wahanui: 4 \ 3
16:14 wahanui jcamins: excuse me?
16:14 jcamins wahanui: 4 \ 2
16:14 jcamins 4 \ 3
16:12 chris_n go back to painting
16:12 chris_n sorry wahanui
16:12 chris_n no, 4%3 is 1
16:09 kf that doesn't look right?
16:09 wahanui oleonard: what?
16:09 oleonard wahanui probably switched to art class like I did
16:09 wahanui 0.052
16:09 kf wahanui: 4%3
16:09 wahanui drojf: sorry...
16:09 drojf wahanui: kebab²
16:09 chris_n I guess wahanui never got to trig
16:09 wahanui chris_n: what?
16:09 chris_n wahanui: tan(45)
16:08 kf oleonard: oooh
16:08 wahanui drojf: bugger all, i dunno
16:08 drojf wahanui: now that you ask… not sure. gluten free kebab?
16:08 oleonard kf: No cheating on your math homework!
16:08 wahanui drojf: what?
16:08 drojf wahanui: get me some food
16:08 wahanui -4095712
16:08 kf wahanui: 90-4095802
16:07 wahanui 1
16:07 kf wahanui: 2/2
16:07 kf 3/2
16:07 wahanui kf: what?
16:07 kf wahanui: 90-04095802
15:49 chris_n heya kf
15:47 kf hey chris_n :)
15:46 chris_n did someone say cookies?
15:46 jcamins Well, problem solved with $(window).load()
15:45 kf people, stop complaining and eat cookies :)
15:43 jcamins See, http://api.jquery.com/ajaxStop/ <-- that example never gets triggered.
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15:41 drojf the one thing i learned about jquery the last days is that it is very persistent and backwards compatible. not. :(
15:41 jcamins Unless maybe I put .ajaxStop inside .ready?
15:41 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails New Library Extension Chrome plugin for Keys http://t.co/EGHXFgUX"
15:40 jcamins And .ajaxStop doesn't do anything that I can find.
15:40 jcamins oleonard: .ready() fires before AJAX requests are completed.
15:40 oleonard jcamins: What about .ready() ?
15:40 Dyrcona Heh...
15:39 oleonard Deprecated in 1.8 anyway...
15:39 jcamins Hard won, miserably endured.
15:39 jcamins Experience.
15:39 jcamins But I was hoping to get around the fact that ajaxStop doesn't seem to get triggered.
15:39 oleonard jcamins: Is it documentation or experience that tells you it doesn't actually work on others?
15:39 kf jcamins: what are you trying to do?
15:39 jcamins I saw the warnings.
15:39 jcamins Yeah.
15:38 oleonard The warnings about img are pretty big (http://api.jquery.com/load-event/) but it does imply you can use it elsewhere
15:38 jcamins oleonard: I tried it on an img element, then a div, then document.
15:38 oleonard jcamins: used on which element?
15:38 jcamins lol
15:37 libsysguy lol well maybe they make money on a per keystroke basis
15:36 jcamins If I'd *known* that that was the only object with a .load event that triggers, I wouldn't have bothered with anything else first!
15:36 libsysguy a backporting failure?
15:36 jcamins Why does the jQuery documentation suggest things like $(element).load if the only object that handles .load is $(window)?
15:36 libsysguy hehe
15:36 oleonard Shooting jcamins won't solve anything
15:36 libsysguy shoot jcamins
15:35 libsysguy and didn't really get anywhere
15:35 libsysguy he pushed with gerrit adoption
15:35 jcamins I have a question.
15:35 jcamins Okay...
15:35 oleonard "what rangi went through with gerrit?"
15:35 libsysguy I would like to work on the review process
15:34 oleonard ?
15:34 libsysguy I just don't want to try
15:34 libsysguy I know, but after seeing what rangi went through with gerrit
15:34 oleonard libsysguy: You seem to have ideas about how we can improve our workflow. Are they all tied to software, or are there issue that can be addressed organizationally?
15:34 kf libsysguy: I didn't want to discourage you :(
15:34 oleonard Nobody's opposed to trying to address workflow issues libsysguy, we're just opposed to doing it using non-FOSS software
15:32 kf libsysguy: :(
15:30 libsysguy sorry for causing a fuss
15:30 libsysguy jcamins, kf I've canceled any of the atlassian software related to koha and shutdown the server
15:28 jcamins drojf: or at least ushering the enhancements already submitted through.
15:23 drojf there sure is a lot of enhancement bugs waiting. people should spend more time fixing stuff ;)
15:21 jcamins Eventually.
15:21 drojf :)
15:21 jcamins I gathered.
15:21 drojf i improvised ;)
15:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8765 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, RESOLVED FIXED, Add series title to intranet search results (non XSLT)
15:21 jcamins bug 8765
15:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9876 was not found.
15:21 jcamins bug 9876
15:21 jcamins Heh.
15:21 drojf we should send out those facebooky "where are you? your bugs are missing you. maybe you know 9876, 8765 or eight other bugs?" emails
15:20 jcamins drojf: he inadvertantly fell through a temporal rift and is going to reappear in a few weeks unaware that it's been months.
15:20 drojf it's been quite a while for "brb"
15:19 drojf lol
15:19 huginn drojf: mveron was last seen in #koha 3 weeks, 1 day, 7 hours, 46 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <mveron> BRB
15:19 drojf @seen mveron
15:18 chris_n cat quot of the day: "To err is human. To purr, feline"
15:17 jcamins Yup.
15:17 libsysguy I guess it was known that sign-offs have slipped, I just didn't know the gap was growing like that
15:16 kf hm well you might just have wanted to point out that it#s a nice graph :)
15:15 kf but we also got more developers and people..., only not more sign-offers
15:15 kf yeah it's building up
15:15 libsysguy ah yes summary
15:14 kf ah summary
15:14 kf which tab was that? when I click your link now it always brings me to "agile" because I was looking around a bit
15:14 kf hm
15:13 libsysguy I was actually pointing out the graph
15:13 libsysguy ah yeah, I'm sure there is a setting for that
15:13 kf it's a bit irritating it shows the oldest versions first everywhere
15:12 libsysguy thats the unique key
15:11 kf you shouldn't do KOHA
15:11 drojf so it's called KOHA in your proprietary system? :P
15:10 libsysguy kf http://jira.koha-ils.com/browse/KOHA
15:08 kf organize gbsd? :)
15:07 oleonard Signing off on lots of patches?
15:07 magnuse now i have forgotten what i catually wanted to work on today...
15:07 magnuse thanks for the cookie
15:06 kf note it down somewhere, so it won't be a problem next time :)
15:06 * kf hands you a cookie
15:05 magnuse yeah...
15:05 kf bit early? :)
15:05 kf lol
15:04 magnuse oh for crying out loud. all my sip2 woes were caused by my updating the code of the koha installation, but not running the web installer to do the upgrades. so what i was seeing was the sip2 equivalent of the "maintenance" sign in the opac... i think i'll go to bed now...
14:16 kf ok :)
14:15 oleonard Yes
14:15 * kf is a bit confused today, sorry
14:15 kf and the other was acq navigation, right?
14:14 kf bug 9420
14:14 kf 9420
14:14 kf ah right
14:13 kf ok, so what was the first couple again? I am going to write myself a big note
14:13 oleonard kf: I haven't filed separate bugs for each patch, but I could. The order should not matter once the first couple are pushed.
14:12 drojf i can very well do a lot of things at a… OH LOOK a squirrel!!!
14:12 drojf i don't understand the one thing after the other approach some people use
14:12 kf drojf: do it the sneaky way? :P
14:12 kf oleonard: could I ask you for a bug list with the right sequence maybe? :)
14:11 drojf ^^
14:11 drojf or something like that
14:11 drojf nobody listens to me
14:11 drojf not my call…
14:11 kf that is not exactly an explanation :)
14:11 kf hm
14:11 drojf kf: we do on the test server but not on the other, test-but-one-day-productive server
14:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9420 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Work on Bootstrap for Koha
14:10 oleonard kf: I'm going to dump a big pile of patches on you if the first couple from bug 9420 get pushed
14:10 kf drojf: why are you not using icu?
14:10 drojf i remember doing one for german as there was none. and nobody signed off on it :P
14:09 drojf that's what i meant with improper mapping file. i'll see what is in there
14:09 kf oleonard++ for working on bootstrap
14:09 jcamins kf: maybe.
14:08 kf jcamins: maybe if it's not mapped to i you need to add it?
14:07 jcamins drojf: you should not.
14:06 drojf do i need ICU to search french î? or is that a matter of improper mapping file?
14:05 magnuse today the server seems to insist on not using sip v. 2
14:05 magnuse as i said it was working nicely on thursday
14:05 magnuse here's the code i have been using: https://github.com/dpavlin/Biblio-SIP2
14:04 magnuse Dyrcona: yup
14:04 * Dyrcona wishes Standard Interchange Protocol would just die already.
14:04 magnuse i was mildly shocked to find there wasn't one already
14:04 magnuse it would!
14:04 khall it would be really nice to have a SIP2 Client module in CPAN
14:03 huginn 04Bug 9288: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add a script to test SIP from the command line
14:03 magnuse thanks Dyrcona, but perl is my weapon of choice...
14:03 khall magnuse, this may help http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9288
14:02 magnuse i am leeching off some code dpavlin wrote
14:02 magnuse i'm working on an ebook thing that will authenticate users against ILSes using SIP2
14:02 Dyrcona magnuse: Why reinvent the wheel? http://git.mvlcstaff.org/?p=tsbere/PHPSIP2.git;a=summary
14:01 magnuse just checking the usernames/passwords
14:01 jcamins Why are you writing a SIP2 client?
14:01 magnuse the one i'm writing ;-)
14:01 jcamins What SIP2 client?
14:01 jcamins magnuse: eww.
14:01 magnuse gah. i had my sip2 client code talking nicely to the koha sip2 server on thursday. today all i cen get out of the server is "new Sip::MsgType: Skipping message '63' unsupported by protocol rev. '1'". what the dickens?
13:59 magnuse hehe
13:59 khall s/but/bit/
13:59 khall jcamins, thanks for the push update, I kind of figured I just had to wait a but
13:59 oleonard Feature freeze is coming up quite soon. Time does fly.
13:58 kf not a bad time :)
13:58 kf oleonard: lol
13:58 kf hehe
13:57 * khall frightens easily
13:57 oleonard All the Koha timeline events I put in my calendar get automatically scheduled for 3:12PM
13:57 khall ahh!
13:57 huginn khall: The operation succeeded.
13:57 khall @later tell wizzyrea can you SO the QA followup on bug 5790?
13:57 huginn kf: The operation succeeded.
13:57 kf @later tell khall boo
13:57 khall thanks!
13:56 jcamins Yeah, huginn.
13:56 khall do we have a bot here that supports @later ?
13:56 khall that's kind of what I figured ; )
13:56 kf khall: she is asleep .)
13:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5790 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Deleting a biblio should alert/fail if there are existent subscriptions and holds
13:55 khall wizzyrea: can you SO the QA followup on bug 5790 ?
13:38 nengard hiya oleonard and all
13:34 kf hi oleonard :)
13:34 oleonard Hi everybody
13:33 kf jcamins: now you stole my idea :)
13:29 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded.
13:29 jcamins @later tell rangi Could you please add a 3.14 version to Bugzilla?
13:29 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded.
13:29 jcamins @later tell rangi Could you please run updatedatabase on jenkins.
13:24 * jcamins does a duck-and-cover drill.
13:24 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @27point7: "gahhhh feature freeze March 22. Stop time please! #Kohails"
13:07 kf now you made me curious :)
13:07 jcamins And fortifying my office against the waves of protest that will follow.
13:07 jcamins Right now I am writing a message about the 3.12 timeline.
13:06 * kf hides
13:06 jcamins lol
13:06 kf jcamins: are you sure the vacation was a good idea?
13:06 jcamins Sorry, I forgot my question.
13:06 jcamins Right.
13:06 jcamins Oh.
13:06 kf http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2012-03-19_Global_bug_squashing_week
13:06 jcamins The last one in November.
13:05 jcamins I see a whole bunch.
13:05 jcamins What am I looking for?
13:05 wahanui gbsd is, like, Global Bug Squashing Day
13:05 kf gbsd?
13:05 kf :)
13:05 kf look for gbsd in the wiki?
13:05 jcamins Where would I find them?
13:05 kf jcamins: look on the gbsd wiki pages
13:05 kf jcamins: hmm
12:57 tcohen good morning
12:51 jcamins Hey, do you know where that chart showing bug statuses is?
12:50 kf scary
12:50 kf heh
12:48 * jcamins prepares to flex his RM muscles.
12:44 jcamins Hehe.
12:43 drojf lol
12:43 kf drojf: and a toothpick with a mouse in the cocktail? *ew*
12:43 jcamins Hehe.
12:43 drojf ha. languages, so easy
12:43 jcamins Cocktail umbrellas. :)
12:43 drojf myshkin is still on vacation? i picture him sitting somewhere with a hat and a cocktail glass. with a little cocktail umbrella (no idea what they are called in english, probably not that)
12:41 kf oooh :(
12:41 jcamins Nope.
12:41 kf jcamins: is myshkin around too?
12:41 kf :P
12:41 kf drojf: see who is back from vacation!
12:40 drojf back
12:37 kf yay!
12:37 kf :)
12:37 jcamins Yup.
12:37 kf back home safe and sound? :)
12:36 jcamins Hehe.
12:36 wahanui kf: huh?
12:36 kf wahanui: not you.
12:36 wahanui I was trapped in a maze of twisty, turny passages, all alike.
12:36 kf welcome back!
12:35 jcamins Good morning, #koha.
12:24 kf quiet day on #koha
11:15 drojf hi kf :)
11:14 kf hi drojf :)
10:14 magnuse [off] clever!
10:14 kf [off] http://paste.koha-community.org/377
10:13 magnuse then we coul dhave this in the syspref: [% IF language = de-DE %]Guten tag[% ELSE %]Hello[% END %]
10:13 kf that is supposed to do what we want... but we are still missing a standard language definition to be used as a proper fallback
10:13 kf but it might beesier to just integrate it in the news system?
10:13 kf I think what we'd need is some kind of control structure
10:12 magnuse we could also have the syspref be a tt fragment and evaluate it in the template
10:12 magnuse yes please?
10:11 kf want an example for "translated" jquery? :)
10:11 kf magnuse: true, she will say that
10:11 magnuse :-)
10:11 magnuse (kf will say it can't be translated then, which is of course correct)
10:10 magnuse might be an idea to turn that area into a syspref...
10:10 magnuse hehe
10:10 kf oh wrong cataog, that explains
10:09 magnuse kf++
10:09 kf the text vanished
10:09 magnuse yup, got it
10:09 wahanui i heard interesting was sometimes good and sometimes bad
10:09 kf hm interesting
10:09 kf look for the comment /* Anmeldung, the 2 lines below that
10:08 * magnuse should have thought about that...
10:08 kf [off] https://seminar-rottweil.bsz-bw.de/cgi-bin/koha/opac-user.pl
10:08 magnuse yes please!
10:07 kf I coudl show you an example?
10:07 kf I have done it with jquery
10:06 magnuse the text you see when yo uare not logged in , i mean
10:05 magnuse there is no way to customize the text on /cgi-bin/koha/opac-user.pl, right? where it says "Don't have a password yet?" etc
09:58 magnuse ooh, good point
09:54 kf having different ports for production is nice, because you can limit ip adress access for intranet in the firewall
09:53 kf we changed our demo installations to run on 80 and 443 only
09:52 magnuse better to not use 8080 at all, methinks
09:52 magnuse yeah
09:52 kf I had lots of trouble with that when doing presentations in various institutions
09:52 kf ah
09:51 magnuse lesson learned: some people can't access port 8080
09:04 kf hi mtj :)
09:04 francharb hi mtj
09:04 magnuse kia ora mtj et al
09:03 reiveune hi mtj
09:03 mtj hi reiveune francharb rangi magnuse kf
08:38 kf good morning #koha
08:31 magnuse kia ora!
08:30 rangi evening
08:01 francharb hi
07:49 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 8.0°C (8:30 AM CET on February 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
07:49 magnuse @wunder marseille
07:49 magnuse :-(
07:49 cait overcast turns out to be super windy and raining
07:49 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -1.0°C (8:20 AM CET on February 05, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: -5.0°C. Pressure: 29.00 in 982 hPa (Steady).
07:49 magnuse @wunder boo
07:49 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 6.4°C (8:45 AM CET on February 05, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Falling).
07:49 cait @wunder Konstanz
07:47 reiveune salut cait, magnuse :)
07:47 cait hi reiveune
07:41 reiveune hello
07:39 cait I have to go to work and it starts raining heavily
07:39 cait oh of course...
06:45 cait hm evening :)
06:41 cait morning cjh :)
06:41 cjh morning cait :)
06:29 cait good morning #koha
04:38 dcook_ Hmm
04:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9546 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , MANIFEST.SKIP breaking regexp when running make manifest tardist
04:03 rangi bug 9546
04:02 wizzyrea noice.
04:02 rangi automagic
04:02 wizzyrea or is that automagic
04:01 wizzyrea how often is perldoc.koha-community.org regenerated?
03:54 rangi its gzipping as we speak
03:54 rangi but once i fixed that, it ran just fine
03:54 rangi MANIFEST.skip is handy to specify stuff we dont want in the tarball
03:53 rangi ill send a patch
03:53 rangi easy fix
03:53 wizzyrea curses.
03:53 rangi ah yep, someone broke MANIFEST.skip
03:53 jcamins_away That too.
03:53 wizzyrea it ought to be like wordpress's famous 5 minute one.
03:53 * wizzyrea thinks we really ought to make the webinstaller less ridiculous
03:52 jcamins_away What we really need is to get back to our MakeMaker roots... the installer used to be way less fragile.
03:51 rangi someone probably broke it, that's often what happens
03:50 jcamins_away Alternatively, why am I using git archive instead of that for packaging release tarballs?
03:50 rangi it uses the Manifest
03:50 jcamins_away rangi: why would you use that instead of git archive?
03:50 dcook The secret was there and documented all along
03:49 dcook hehe
03:46 wizzyrea if only briefly.
03:46 * wizzyrea read "make tardis" and thought "awesome!"
03:46 wizzyrea ^.^
03:46 rangi its even documented :)
03:45 rangi http://perldoc.koha-community.org/Makefile.html#PACKAGING_RELEASE_TARBALLS
03:45 mtj cjh, thanks for koha-gitify paste too ^^
03:43 wizzyrea rangi++ that will be in the logs forever!
03:41 wizzyrea cool, thanks for that
03:41 wizzyrea oh yep
03:40 jcamins_away Still new. :)
03:39 rangi or make manifest zipdist
03:39 rangi sorry make manifest tardist
03:39 jcamins_away I use git archive.
03:39 dcook just easier*
03:38 jcamins_away Cool, that's a new one for me.
03:38 dcook To be honest, I figure it's just switch over to Debian :p
03:38 rangi if you want to do that
03:38 rangi make tardist
03:38 rangi perl Makefile.pl
03:38 jcamins_away eythian: sounds like suffering to me. :P
03:37 eythian they can pretend they're using slackware.
03:37 eythian they should presumably use git export or similar to make their own tarballs
03:36 jcamins_away But that doesn't negate the suffering.
03:36 jcamins_away Well, yeah, they use the tarballs.
03:36 dcook We had this discussion last year
03:36 rangi and build and deploy their own
03:36 dcook I was just thinking that
03:36 rangi id hope they run from tarballs
03:36 * wizzyrea tries not to spit drink on her computer
03:36 dcook Well, besides that :p
03:36 jcamins_away Suffer.
03:36 dcook I'd be interested to know what other folk not running Debian and Ubuntu do...
03:35 dcook It took me a minute to remember that I use a different process :p
03:34 rangi running out of git you expose a lot of files that have no need to be
03:34 rangi and file permissions
03:34 jcamins_away Two different parts of the process.
03:34 rangi that puts things in the right places, and with proper security
03:34 rangi to make your package to deploy
03:34 rangi then build-git-snapshot
03:34 jcamins_away It's the deployment that the packages are for.
03:34 jcamins_away dcook: yes, you use git-bz to apply the patch.
03:34 wizzyrea it's withering
03:34 cjh dcook: they are talking about making a patch live, not sharing with the community :)
03:33 * dcook goes back about his business
03:33 * wizzyrea gives dcook "the look"
03:33 dcook Actually...
03:33 dcook But if it's a trivial patch, why not just use git bz?
03:32 mtj i admit i havent yet learnt to build a new debain package to deploy a trival patch
03:31 wizzyrea oh, well ok then.
03:30 jcamins_away wizzyrea: yeah, but for those of us who are lazy, there's also a script I wrote which runs build-git-snapshot and a whole bunch of other things.
03:30 dcook Well, unless you use an OS that doesn't support packages, non?
03:30 eythian I think that's what mtj said, just in a slightly turned-about way.
03:30 jcamins_away Having a git repo for production is entirely missing the point.
03:30 cjh yay, consensus!
03:30 wizzyrea there's a script in koha to do that
03:29 rangi deploy to staging test, and deploy live
03:29 dcook jcamins has a script for that up on his github I believe
03:29 jcamins_away You should be building packages with those patches.
03:29 rangi exactly
03:29 rangi build a package and deploy
03:29 wizzyrea you could create and deploy your own packages
03:29 eythian I think what you're actually asking for is what we do.
03:29 mtj .. .because every now and again, i might want to apply a safe, tested, and urgent patch to a prod koha
03:28 jcamins_away cjh++
03:28 * cjh doesn't want to break prod
03:27 cjh I wouldn't particularly recommend using my code to handle the conversion.
03:27 wizzyrea why?
03:27 jcamins_away mtj: what?
03:27 mtj i want a prod koha running using the packages, from a git repo
03:27 cjh if we are lucky: https://github.com/mkfifo/koha-gitify
03:26 * dcook does feel mental sometimes
03:25 wizzyrea mental.*
03:25 wizzyrea because that is menta.
03:25 wizzyrea not a way to make it easier to run a production system on git
03:25 wizzyrea right, the idea is to have a nice accessible way for people to create a development environment
03:24 rangi of course you have to be mental to run a production site on anything other than the packages, so this is all just for dev/staging stuff :)
03:22 cjh I also plan to make some changes to koha-foreach and koha-shell, as they currently don't behave as well as I would like (when using a git repo)
03:22 dcook :D
03:21 jcamins_away Or, of course, we could simply revise all the scripts to work on any kind of installation. :)
03:20 cjh although its really just regex and a little arg passing.
03:20 cjh the script i suseful for migrating already created sites as well.
03:20 jcamins_away But I think a separate script would be better.
03:20 jcamins_away I found koha-create easy to understand.
03:20 cjh heh
03:20 mtj but then i looked at the code, and ran away
03:19 mtj i reaally wanted to patch koha-create to add this…
03:18 cjh ill throw it up on my git server as well as github.
03:18 jcamins_away Yay!
03:18 cjh it's managed to now break a few installs now, so was planning to release it at some point.
03:18 jcamins_away cjh: it sounds really useful! You should share the script!
03:14 cjh that too, third time lucky >.>
03:14 eythian also apache config
03:14 cjh gah, sorry make changes to the koha config >.>
03:14 cjh you just need to make changes to the git config, I have a script that can do this for you.
03:12 mtj ta wiz
03:12 wizzyrea ping chrish
03:12 wizzyrea >.>
03:12 mtj peeps, is there a patch about - to allow koha packages to run using a git repo?
03:08 jcamins_away It does not.
03:08 jcamins_away And yes, I know some people say that Plack works perfectly.
03:06 wizzyrea eythian++
03:05 wahanui No! Go Left!
03:05 wizzyrea your right
03:05 wahanui okay, eythian.
03:05 eythian wahanui: \your right is also <reply>No, the other right.
03:05 wahanui OK, eythian.
03:05 eythian wahanui: \your right is <reply>No! Go Left!
03:05 wahanui No, the other right.
03:05 eythian wahanui's right
03:02 jcamins_away That's a problem.
03:02 jcamins_away Everything does not function with Plack.
03:00 wizzyrea curses.
03:00 wizzyrea your right?
03:00 wajasu your right.
03:00 wizzyrea it's not workinggggggg
02:59 wizzyrea your right
02:59 wajasu you arer right
02:57 wahanui okay, eythian.
02:57 eythian wahanui: your right is also <reply>No, the other right.
02:56 wahanui i already had it that way, eythian.
02:56 eythian wahanui: your right is <reply>No! Go Left!
02:56 eythian err
02:56 eythian wajasu: your right is <reply>No! Go Left!
02:54 wajasu your right.
02:53 rangi plack is an option yes, but everything has to still function without it also
02:52 wizzyrea :)
02:52 wizzyrea meh people make mistakes it's alright.
02:51 wajasu is plack an option yet?
02:48 wajasu i guess i could do a rewrite with a class::Accessor
02:47 libsysguy before dbix::class sees any action nginx needs to get in
02:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8378 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , <fine> syntax not working on overdues anymore
02:47 wajasu i am mad at myself that bug 8378 caused problems.
02:46 wajasu i just read about 50 emails for all the signoffs since August.
02:45 wajasu ok. then
02:45 rangi not in the slightest
02:45 rangi no
02:45 wajasu i thought DBIx::Class depended on Moose.
02:45 rangi moose is huge and slow
02:44 rangi my preference would be Class::Accessor + DBIx::Class
02:44 wajasu bug8798 is what I mean.
02:44 rangi if you check the patches there, its actually Moose + DBIx::Class
02:42 rangi those are 2 totally different things for totally different use cases
02:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8309 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Koha namespace organisation, first implementation
02:41 wajasu so. what is the current goal these days. bug 8309 DBIx::Class or stick with Class::Accessor style.
01:47 * dcook thumbs up
01:47 dcook hehe
01:47 wizzyrea (also, how awesome is it that I can be internet friends with my beloved high school librarian?)
01:47 wizzyrea https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=365682450133952&set=a.377498618952335.74766.202726653096200&type=1&ref=nf <- from my high school librarian, whom I loved dearly.
01:47 jcamins_away lol
01:46 wizzyrea this really tickled me
01:46 wizzyrea does that work?
01:46 wizzyrea https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151711108487589&set=a.209432342588.172332.100005632588&type=1&ref=nf
01:46 jcamins_away I mean, the checks were made out to someone else, so surely they can send a letter to the IRS saying "sorry, 'C' and 'H' are very close on the keyboard."
01:45 jcamins_away I'm hoping that the client just fixes the problem.
01:45 libsysguy I smell a lawsuit for mail fraud?
01:45 libsysguy hbt
01:44 jcamins_away I would also have a new bathroom, and possibly quartz countertops.
01:44 jcamins_away Heck, I wouldn't mind at all.
01:44 jcamins_away If I had gotten paid all the money that they just reported to the government, I wouldn't mind so much.
01:43 wizzyrea that is really pants.
01:43 * libsysguy ^^
01:43 libsysguy will not bug jcamins_away this day
01:42 jcamins_away Also, one client sent me someone else's 1099, and I have four books of deposit slips that seem to have the wrong routing number.
01:42 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot ^^ there
01:42 wizzyrea forget ^^ there
01:42 dcook Thanks, jcamins :)
01:41 jcamins_away :)
01:41 jcamins_away No, the above wiki page was for dcook.
01:41 jcamins_away [off] The catalog that I've been bitching about? It's even worse than before, and she wants to send it to layout on Thursday!
01:41 * wizzyrea gets you a bit of foam to put between your skull and the table
01:40 wizzyrea no you need your brain to do that
01:40 wizzyrea oh.
01:40 jcamins_away See the above wiki page.
01:40 jcamins_away Yes.
01:40 dcook He might be my new hero
01:40 dcook jcamins is doing a search rewrite?
01:40 wizzyrea why are you bruising your brain
01:40 wahanui ^^ there is that very good point
01:40 jcamins_away ^^ there
01:40 wahanui i think search rewrite is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/C_&_P_Search_Rewrite_RFC
01:40 jcamins_away search rewrite?
01:40 * jcamins_away stops banging his head on the table briefly at the sound of his name.
01:40 wahanui rumour has it on the wiki is more information about the packages
01:40 wizzyrea on the wiki.
01:40 wizzyrea there's probably also a proper spec somewhere
01:40 wizzyrea like, jcamins is doing a search rewrite, he did that.
01:39 wizzyrea that would hit most people.
01:39 wizzyrea yea, if you're working on something, and you want everyone to know you're working on it, you'd tell the IRC and the developer mailing list.
01:39 dcook Makes sense.
01:38 rangi we normally tell people on irc
01:38 dcook It seems like I'm always bug fixing, so I wonder where people find the time to develop and what they work on
01:38 wizzyrea i mean, not formally.
01:38 wizzyrea hm not really?
01:37 dcook This might sound random, but do Koha folks ever sort of do a random table and say what projects they're working on?
01:36 * wizzyrea gets all picky on you
01:36 wizzyrea lol
01:36 wizzyrea you're not afk.
01:34 libsysguy_afk ah that's much better
01:31 dcook Glad the marc21 plugin has been updated for the 006 and 008 though :D
01:29 dcook Seems like a lot of clicking to save changes before moving on to a new subfield or tag though :/
01:29 rangi adding new ones is easy
01:29 rangi just edit it in framework editor
01:28 dcook Rangi, how did you create the RDA framework? Did you edit it as a spreadsheet or as SQL? I think I might end up adding in a bunch of the other 3xx fields that Libraries Australia seems keen to add
01:26 libsysguy now I just have to configure adium to point to it
01:26 * wizzyrea wants to get a rpi for her bouncer.
01:26 eythian yeah znc is pretty easy
01:26 libsysguy there I am
01:26 libsysguy hey hey
01:23 mtj s/volia/voilà /
01:21 libsysguy installing...
01:20 mtj but.. i did then try znc, and volia! - too easy
01:20 libsysguy I was just messing with it again
01:20 libsysguy what do you use?
01:19 mtj libsysguy, i tried bip too, and didnt succeed…. :/
01:12 dcook np :)
01:12 wizzyrea ty :)
01:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9545 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Fix Import Marc Bibliographic Framework Text Label
01:12 dcook Bug 9545
01:09 wizzyrea :)
01:09 wizzyrea :
01:09 wizzyrea please and thank you
01:09 dcook Sure
01:08 wizzyrea file a bug for that?
01:08 * wizzyrea fixes it
01:08 dcook It says "Spreadsheet File:"
01:08 wizzyrea oh lordie.
01:08 dcook When you click on "Import"
01:08 wizzyrea bad label?
01:08 dcook It was asking for a spreadsheet
01:08 dcook I was in the right spot. Koha just had a bad label
01:08 dcook Thanks, wizzyrea
01:07 wizzyrea sorry, administration -> MARC bibliographic frameworks :P
01:07 wizzyrea in administration -> frameworks
01:07 wizzyrea it can be imported
01:07 dcook For the framework
01:07 dcook The one that chris linked above
01:07 wizzyrea ?
01:07 dcook Ah, export to SQL. Perhaps no import as SQL?
01:07 wizzyrea "the sql file"
01:06 * dcook thought that he saw a webui option recently
01:06 dcook Hmm, can the sql file be uploaded through the webui or does it need to be done directly through mysql?
01:03 dcook (and volunteers themselves)
01:03 dcook (and no desire to learn)
01:03 dcook Still not very popular in Canada, although I want to do a few volunteer Koha projects for friends back home when I have a few minutes. I'm thinking LiveCDs might be the way to go since they'll be in Windows environments with very low technical expertise
01:02 dcook Turkey, Italy, seems like Koha is becoming ever more popular
01:01 dcook :D
01:00 rangi wanting to put koha into 200+ schools
01:00 wizzyrea yuss gazillion italian libraries ^.^
01:00 dcook Hmm, it is lunch time..
01:00 dcook Italy?
01:00 rangi woo nice email about italy
01:00 rangi :)
00:59 dcook In partnerships with Library and Archives Canada? hmm, they're hooped
00:59 * dcook decides to look back over at Bibframe
00:58 wizzyrea rofl.
00:58 dcook lol
00:58 rangi its in the mailing archives :-)
00:58 rangi spend even
00:58 rangi someone did send 3 months sending me emails addressed to christ
00:57 * wizzyrea agrees with that.
00:57 rangi s/links/fields/
00:57 dcook I don't know if I'd classify it as a miracle, but we really shoudl have a sainthood for you, rangi
00:57 rangi only the actually accepted links, not all the random proposed ones not accepted yet
00:57 dcook Hmm
00:57 rangi see the link :)
00:57 rangi yeah i did that already :)
00:57 wizzyrea rangi did it :)
00:56 wizzyrea it's done
00:56 wizzyrea Mmmmmmm
00:56 dcook I figure we'll do up a new RDA framework and then customize as folk desire
00:56 wizzyrea floating and putrid.
00:56 rangi RDA as MARC that is
00:56 rangi but im not holding my breath, it feels dead in the water to me
00:56 dcook Mmm, I thought that would be the case
00:56 rangi we can :)
00:56 rangi and then when someone figures out what the hell to do with it
00:56 dcook Well, I was wondering if anyone had done more investigations
00:56 rangi its all there
00:56 rangi so you dont lose data
00:56 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/MARC_frameworks
00:56 rangi so i think having the framework
00:56 dcook hehe
00:55 rangi heh yeah
00:55 * wizzyrea boggels
00:55 dcook 374 Gender? wth?
00:55 wizzyrea so... how can we make it more compliant if no one knows what it should do or what value it provides?
00:55 dcook I couldn't agree more
00:55 rangi but the fact is .. the new fields dont really provide any added value for anything
00:55 dcook The RDA trainer I talked to didn't have a clue either, although she "talked the talk"
00:55 rangi and make it display
00:55 rangi you can change the xslt
00:55 dcook To be honest, I have no idea
00:55 dcook Ridiculous things, wizzyrea ;)
00:55 dcook Hmm, I haven't looked at any of my bibrame emails :p
00:55 wizzyrea what is it supposed to do?
00:54 dcook You can load in the framework, but Koha won't do anything with the data you upload
00:54 libsysguy *magic*
00:54 rangi meanwhile LOC lost interest in it and did bibframe instead
00:54 trea ......magically
00:54 dcook Well, that's what I mean
00:54 rangi somehow it magically is better for people or something
00:54 wizzyrea up to you really >.>
00:54 rangi well, no one actually knows that
00:54 rangi now .. what the hell you are supposed to do with that data after you have catalogued it
00:53 rangi just load in the RDA framework
00:53 rangi its compliant already
00:53 dcook Seems like a bit of a nightmare
00:53 dcook Anyone out there working on making Koha more RDA compliant?
00:49 libsysguy if I could figure out bip I would use it
00:48 mtj … surely its about time for an irc-proxy libsysguy ? :p
00:47 libsysguy gerrit?
00:39 rangi mtj: yeah i turned it off in frustrations
00:32 libsysguy o/
00:26 dcook Hi #koha
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00:05 drojf :)
00:04 mtj hey drojf, you are preaching to the converted here :p
00:03 drojf mtj: i'm sure i'm missing the complicated part since i cannot login, but it looks less cluttered than going through long bugzilla threads to see who said what about a patch some time ago ;)