Time Nick Message 00:03 drojf mtj: i'm sure i'm missing the complicated part since i cannot login, but it looks less cluttered than going through long bugzilla threads to see who said what about a patch some time ago ;) 00:04 mtj hey drojf, you are preaching to the converted here :p 00:05 drojf :) 00:09 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Les contributions 2012 de BibLibre à l'éco-système "logiciel libre" http://t.co/bOwTDsLo" 00:26 dcook Hi #koha 00:32 libsysguy o/ 00:39 rangi mtj: yeah i turned it off in frustrations 00:47 libsysguy gerrit? 00:48 mtj … surely its about time for an irc-proxy libsysguy ? :p 00:49 libsysguy if I could figure out bip I would use it 00:53 dcook Anyone out there working on making Koha more RDA compliant? 00:53 dcook Seems like a bit of a nightmare 00:53 rangi its compliant already 00:53 rangi just load in the RDA framework 00:54 rangi now .. what the hell you are supposed to do with that data after you have catalogued it 00:54 rangi well, no one actually knows that 00:54 wizzyrea up to you really >.> 00:54 rangi somehow it magically is better for people or something 00:54 dcook Well, that's what I mean 00:54 trea ......magically 00:54 rangi meanwhile LOC lost interest in it and did bibframe instead 00:54 libsysguy *magic* 00:54 dcook You can load in the framework, but Koha won't do anything with the data you upload 00:55 wizzyrea what is it supposed to do? 00:55 dcook Hmm, I haven't looked at any of my bibrame emails :p 00:55 dcook Ridiculous things, wizzyrea ;) 00:55 dcook To be honest, I have no idea 00:55 rangi you can change the xslt 00:55 rangi and make it display 00:55 dcook The RDA trainer I talked to didn't have a clue either, although she "talked the talk" 00:55 rangi but the fact is .. the new fields dont really provide any added value for anything 00:55 dcook I couldn't agree more 00:55 wizzyrea so... how can we make it more compliant if no one knows what it should do or what value it provides? 00:55 dcook 374 Gender? wth? 00:55 * wizzyrea boggels 00:55 rangi heh yeah 00:56 dcook hehe 00:56 rangi so i think having the framework 00:56 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/MARC_frameworks 00:56 rangi so you dont lose data 00:56 rangi its all there 00:56 dcook Well, I was wondering if anyone had done more investigations 00:56 rangi and then when someone figures out what the hell to do with it 00:56 rangi we can :) 00:56 dcook Mmm, I thought that would be the case 00:56 rangi but im not holding my breath, it feels dead in the water to me 00:56 rangi RDA as MARC that is 00:56 wizzyrea floating and putrid. 00:56 dcook I figure we'll do up a new RDA framework and then customize as folk desire 00:56 wizzyrea Mmmmmmm 00:56 wizzyrea it's done 00:57 wizzyrea rangi did it :) 00:57 rangi yeah i did that already :) 00:57 rangi see the link :) 00:57 dcook Hmm 00:57 rangi only the actually accepted links, not all the random proposed ones not accepted yet 00:57 dcook I don't know if I'd classify it as a miracle, but we really shoudl have a sainthood for you, rangi 00:57 rangi s/links/fields/ 00:57 * wizzyrea agrees with that. 00:58 rangi someone did send 3 months sending me emails addressed to christ 00:58 rangi spend even 00:58 rangi its in the mailing archives :-) 00:58 dcook lol 00:58 wizzyrea rofl. 00:59 * dcook decides to look back over at Bibframe 00:59 dcook In partnerships with Library and Archives Canada? hmm, they're hooped 01:00 rangi :) 01:00 rangi woo nice email about italy 01:00 dcook Italy? 01:00 dcook Hmm, it is lunch time.. 01:00 wizzyrea yuss gazillion italian libraries ^.^ 01:00 rangi wanting to put koha into 200+ schools 01:01 dcook :D 01:02 dcook Turkey, Italy, seems like Koha is becoming ever more popular 01:03 dcook Still not very popular in Canada, although I want to do a few volunteer Koha projects for friends back home when I have a few minutes. I'm thinking LiveCDs might be the way to go since they'll be in Windows environments with very low technical expertise 01:03 dcook (and no desire to learn) 01:03 dcook (and volunteers themselves) 01:06 dcook Hmm, can the sql file be uploaded through the webui or does it need to be done directly through mysql? 01:06 * dcook thought that he saw a webui option recently 01:07 wizzyrea "the sql file" 01:07 dcook Ah, export to SQL. Perhaps no import as SQL? 01:07 wizzyrea ? 01:07 dcook The one that chris linked above 01:07 dcook For the framework 01:07 wizzyrea it can be imported 01:07 wizzyrea in administration -> frameworks 01:07 wizzyrea sorry, administration -> MARC bibliographic frameworks :P 01:08 dcook Thanks, wizzyrea 01:08 dcook I was in the right spot. Koha just had a bad label 01:08 dcook It was asking for a spreadsheet 01:08 wizzyrea bad label? 01:08 dcook When you click on "Import" 01:08 wizzyrea oh lordie. 01:08 dcook It says "Spreadsheet File:" 01:08 * wizzyrea fixes it 01:08 wizzyrea file a bug for that? 01:09 dcook Sure 01:09 wizzyrea please and thank you 01:09 wizzyrea : 01:09 wizzyrea :) 01:12 dcook Bug 9545 01:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9545 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Fix Import Marc Bibliographic Framework Text Label 01:12 wizzyrea ty :) 01:12 dcook np :) 01:19 mtj libsysguy, i tried bip too, and didnt succeed…. :/ 01:20 libsysguy what do you use? 01:20 libsysguy I was just messing with it again 01:20 mtj but.. i did then try znc, and volia! - too easy 01:21 libsysguy installing... 01:23 mtj s/volia/voilà / 01:26 libsysguy hey hey 01:26 libsysguy there I am 01:26 eythian yeah znc is pretty easy 01:26 * wizzyrea wants to get a rpi for her bouncer. 01:26 libsysguy now I just have to configure adium to point to it 01:28 dcook Rangi, how did you create the RDA framework? Did you edit it as a spreadsheet or as SQL? I think I might end up adding in a bunch of the other 3xx fields that Libraries Australia seems keen to add 01:29 rangi just edit it in framework editor 01:29 rangi adding new ones is easy 01:29 dcook Seems like a lot of clicking to save changes before moving on to a new subfield or tag though :/ 01:31 dcook Glad the marc21 plugin has been updated for the 006 and 008 though :D 01:34 libsysguy_afk ah that's much better 01:36 wizzyrea you're not afk. 01:36 wizzyrea lol 01:36 * wizzyrea gets all picky on you 01:37 dcook This might sound random, but do Koha folks ever sort of do a random table and say what projects they're working on? 01:38 wizzyrea hm not really? 01:38 wizzyrea i mean, not formally. 01:38 dcook It seems like I'm always bug fixing, so I wonder where people find the time to develop and what they work on 01:38 rangi we normally tell people on irc 01:39 dcook Makes sense. 01:39 wizzyrea yea, if you're working on something, and you want everyone to know you're working on it, you'd tell the IRC and the developer mailing list. 01:39 wizzyrea that would hit most people. 01:40 wizzyrea like, jcamins is doing a search rewrite, he did that. 01:40 wizzyrea there's probably also a proper spec somewhere 01:40 wizzyrea on the wiki. 01:40 wahanui rumour has it on the wiki is more information about the packages 01:40 * jcamins_away stops banging his head on the table briefly at the sound of his name. 01:40 jcamins_away search rewrite? 01:40 wahanui i think search rewrite is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/C_&_P_Search_Rewrite_RFC 01:40 jcamins_away ^^ there 01:40 wahanui ^^ there is that very good point 01:40 wizzyrea why are you bruising your brain 01:40 dcook jcamins is doing a search rewrite? 01:40 dcook He might be my new hero 01:40 jcamins_away Yes. 01:40 jcamins_away See the above wiki page. 01:40 wizzyrea oh. 01:40 wizzyrea no you need your brain to do that 01:41 * wizzyrea gets you a bit of foam to put between your skull and the table 01:41 jcamins_away [off] The catalog that I've been bitching about? It's even worse than before, and she wants to send it to layout on Thursday! 01:41 jcamins_away No, the above wiki page was for dcook. 01:41 jcamins_away :) 01:42 dcook Thanks, jcamins :) 01:42 wizzyrea forget ^^ there 01:42 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot ^^ there 01:42 jcamins_away Also, one client sent me someone else's 1099, and I have four books of deposit slips that seem to have the wrong routing number. 01:43 libsysguy will not bug jcamins_away this day 01:43 * libsysguy ^^ 01:43 wizzyrea that is really pants. 01:44 jcamins_away If I had gotten paid all the money that they just reported to the government, I wouldn't mind so much. 01:44 jcamins_away Heck, I wouldn't mind at all. 01:44 jcamins_away I would also have a new bathroom, and possibly quartz countertops. 01:45 libsysguy hbt 01:45 libsysguy I smell a lawsuit for mail fraud? 01:45 jcamins_away I'm hoping that the client just fixes the problem. 01:46 jcamins_away I mean, the checks were made out to someone else, so surely they can send a letter to the IRS saying "sorry, 'C' and 'H' are very close on the keyboard." 01:46 wizzyrea https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151711108487589&set=a.209432342588.172332.100005632588&type=1&ref=nf 01:46 wizzyrea does that work? 01:46 wizzyrea this really tickled me 01:47 jcamins_away lol 01:47 wizzyrea https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=365682450133952&set=a.377498618952335.74766.202726653096200&type=1&ref=nf <- from my high school librarian, whom I loved dearly. 01:47 wizzyrea (also, how awesome is it that I can be internet friends with my beloved high school librarian?) 01:47 dcook hehe 01:47 * dcook thumbs up 02:41 wajasu so. what is the current goal these days. bug 8309 DBIx::Class or stick with Class::Accessor style. 02:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8309 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Koha namespace organisation, first implementation 02:42 rangi those are 2 totally different things for totally different use cases 02:44 rangi if you check the patches there, its actually Moose + DBIx::Class 02:44 wajasu bug8798 is what I mean. 02:44 rangi my preference would be Class::Accessor + DBIx::Class 02:45 rangi moose is huge and slow 02:45 wajasu i thought DBIx::Class depended on Moose. 02:45 rangi no 02:45 rangi not in the slightest 02:45 wajasu ok. then 02:46 wajasu i just read about 50 emails for all the signoffs since August. 02:47 wajasu i am mad at myself that bug 8378 caused problems. 02:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8378 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , <fine> syntax not working on overdues anymore 02:47 libsysguy before dbix::class sees any action nginx needs to get in 02:48 wajasu i guess i could do a rewrite with a class::Accessor 02:51 wajasu is plack an option yet? 02:52 wizzyrea meh people make mistakes it's alright. 02:52 wizzyrea :) 02:53 rangi plack is an option yes, but everything has to still function without it also 02:54 wajasu your right. 02:56 eythian wajasu: your right is <reply>No! Go Left! 02:56 eythian err 02:56 eythian wahanui: your right is <reply>No! Go Left! 02:56 wahanui i already had it that way, eythian. 02:57 eythian wahanui: your right is also <reply>No, the other right. 02:57 wahanui okay, eythian. 02:59 wajasu you arer right 02:59 wizzyrea your right 03:00 wizzyrea it's not workinggggggg 03:00 wajasu your right. 03:00 wizzyrea your right? 03:00 wizzyrea curses. 03:02 jcamins_away Everything does not function with Plack. 03:02 jcamins_away That's a problem. 03:05 eythian wahanui's right 03:05 wahanui No, the other right. 03:05 eythian wahanui: \your right is <reply>No! Go Left! 03:05 wahanui OK, eythian. 03:05 eythian wahanui: \your right is also <reply>No, the other right. 03:05 wahanui okay, eythian. 03:05 wizzyrea your right 03:05 wahanui No! Go Left! 03:06 wizzyrea eythian++ 03:08 jcamins_away And yes, I know some people say that Plack works perfectly. 03:08 jcamins_away It does not. 03:12 mtj peeps, is there a patch about - to allow koha packages to run using a git repo? 03:12 wizzyrea >.> 03:12 wizzyrea ping chrish 03:12 mtj ta wiz 03:14 cjh you just need to make changes to the git config, I have a script that can do this for you. 03:14 cjh gah, sorry make changes to the koha config >.> 03:14 eythian also apache config 03:14 cjh that too, third time lucky >.> 03:18 jcamins_away cjh: it sounds really useful! You should share the script! 03:18 cjh it's managed to now break a few installs now, so was planning to release it at some point. 03:18 jcamins_away Yay! 03:18 cjh ill throw it up on my git server as well as github. 03:19 mtj i reaally wanted to patch koha-create to add this… 03:20 mtj but then i looked at the code, and ran away 03:20 cjh heh 03:20 jcamins_away I found koha-create easy to understand. 03:20 jcamins_away But I think a separate script would be better. 03:20 cjh the script i suseful for migrating already created sites as well. 03:20 cjh although its really just regex and a little arg passing. 03:21 jcamins_away Or, of course, we could simply revise all the scripts to work on any kind of installation. :) 03:22 dcook :D 03:22 cjh I also plan to make some changes to koha-foreach and koha-shell, as they currently don't behave as well as I would like (when using a git repo) 03:24 rangi of course you have to be mental to run a production site on anything other than the packages, so this is all just for dev/staging stuff :) 03:25 wizzyrea right, the idea is to have a nice accessible way for people to create a development environment 03:25 wizzyrea not a way to make it easier to run a production system on git 03:25 wizzyrea because that is menta. 03:25 wizzyrea mental.* 03:26 * dcook does feel mental sometimes 03:27 cjh if we are lucky: https://github.com/mkfifo/koha-gitify 03:27 mtj i want a prod koha running using the packages, from a git repo 03:27 jcamins_away mtj: what? 03:27 wizzyrea why? 03:27 cjh I wouldn't particularly recommend using my code to handle the conversion. 03:28 * cjh doesn't want to break prod 03:28 jcamins_away cjh++ 03:29 mtj .. .because every now and again, i might want to apply a safe, tested, and urgent patch to a prod koha 03:29 eythian I think what you're actually asking for is what we do. 03:29 wizzyrea you could create and deploy your own packages 03:29 rangi build a package and deploy 03:29 rangi exactly 03:29 jcamins_away You should be building packages with those patches. 03:29 dcook jcamins has a script for that up on his github I believe 03:29 rangi deploy to staging test, and deploy live 03:30 wizzyrea there's a script in koha to do that 03:30 cjh yay, consensus! 03:30 jcamins_away Having a git repo for production is entirely missing the point. 03:30 eythian I think that's what mtj said, just in a slightly turned-about way. 03:30 dcook Well, unless you use an OS that doesn't support packages, non? 03:30 jcamins_away wizzyrea: yeah, but for those of us who are lazy, there's also a script I wrote which runs build-git-snapshot and a whole bunch of other things. 03:31 wizzyrea oh, well ok then. 03:32 mtj i admit i havent yet learnt to build a new debain package to deploy a trival patch 03:33 dcook But if it's a trivial patch, why not just use git bz? 03:33 dcook Actually... 03:33 * wizzyrea gives dcook "the look" 03:33 * dcook goes back about his business 03:34 cjh dcook: they are talking about making a patch live, not sharing with the community :) 03:34 wizzyrea it's withering 03:34 jcamins_away dcook: yes, you use git-bz to apply the patch. 03:34 jcamins_away It's the deployment that the packages are for. 03:34 rangi then build-git-snapshot 03:34 rangi to make your package to deploy 03:34 rangi that puts things in the right places, and with proper security 03:34 jcamins_away Two different parts of the process. 03:34 rangi and file permissions 03:34 rangi running out of git you expose a lot of files that have no need to be 03:35 dcook It took me a minute to remember that I use a different process :p 03:36 dcook I'd be interested to know what other folk not running Debian and Ubuntu do... 03:36 jcamins_away Suffer. 03:36 dcook Well, besides that :p 03:36 * wizzyrea tries not to spit drink on her computer 03:36 rangi id hope they run from tarballs 03:36 dcook I was just thinking that 03:36 rangi and build and deploy their own 03:36 dcook We had this discussion last year 03:36 jcamins_away Well, yeah, they use the tarballs. 03:36 jcamins_away But that doesn't negate the suffering. 03:37 eythian they should presumably use git export or similar to make their own tarballs 03:37 eythian they can pretend they're using slackware. 03:38 jcamins_away eythian: sounds like suffering to me. :P 03:38 rangi perl Makefile.pl 03:38 rangi make tardist 03:38 rangi if you want to do that 03:38 dcook To be honest, I figure it's just switch over to Debian :p 03:38 jcamins_away Cool, that's a new one for me. 03:39 dcook just easier* 03:39 jcamins_away I use git archive. 03:39 rangi sorry make manifest tardist 03:39 rangi or make manifest zipdist 03:40 jcamins_away Still new. :) 03:41 wizzyrea oh yep 03:41 wizzyrea cool, thanks for that 03:43 wizzyrea rangi++ that will be in the logs forever! 03:45 mtj cjh, thanks for koha-gitify paste too ^^ 03:45 rangi http://perldoc.koha-community.org/Makefile.html#PACKAGING_RELEASE_TARBALLS 03:46 rangi its even documented :) 03:46 wizzyrea ^.^ 03:46 * wizzyrea read "make tardis" and thought "awesome!" 03:46 wizzyrea if only briefly. 03:49 dcook hehe 03:50 dcook The secret was there and documented all along 03:50 jcamins_away rangi: why would you use that instead of git archive? 03:50 rangi it uses the Manifest 03:50 jcamins_away Alternatively, why am I using git archive instead of that for packaging release tarballs? 03:51 rangi someone probably broke it, that's often what happens 03:52 jcamins_away What we really need is to get back to our MakeMaker roots... the installer used to be way less fragile. 03:53 * wizzyrea thinks we really ought to make the webinstaller less ridiculous 03:53 wizzyrea it ought to be like wordpress's famous 5 minute one. 03:53 jcamins_away That too. 03:53 rangi ah yep, someone broke MANIFEST.skip 03:53 wizzyrea curses. 03:53 rangi easy fix 03:53 rangi ill send a patch 03:54 rangi MANIFEST.skip is handy to specify stuff we dont want in the tarball 03:54 rangi but once i fixed that, it ran just fine 03:54 rangi its gzipping as we speak 04:01 wizzyrea how often is perldoc.koha-community.org regenerated? 04:02 wizzyrea or is that automagic 04:02 rangi automagic 04:02 wizzyrea noice. 04:03 rangi bug 9546 04:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9546 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , MANIFEST.SKIP breaking regexp when running make manifest tardist 04:38 dcook_ Hmm 06:29 cait good morning #koha 06:41 cjh morning cait :) 06:41 cait morning cjh :) 06:45 cait hm evening :) 07:39 cait oh of course... 07:39 cait I have to go to work and it starts raining heavily 07:41 reiveune hello 07:47 cait hi reiveune 07:47 reiveune salut cait, magnuse :) 07:49 cait @wunder Konstanz 07:49 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 6.4°C (8:45 AM CET on February 05, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Falling). 07:49 magnuse @wunder boo 07:49 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -1.0°C (8:20 AM CET on February 05, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: -5.0°C. Pressure: 29.00 in 982 hPa (Steady). 07:49 cait overcast turns out to be super windy and raining 07:49 magnuse :-( 07:49 magnuse @wunder marseille 07:49 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 8.0°C (8:30 AM CET on February 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 08:01 francharb hi 08:30 rangi evening 08:31 magnuse kia ora! 08:38 kf good morning #koha 09:03 mtj hi reiveune francharb rangi magnuse kf 09:03 reiveune hi mtj 09:04 magnuse kia ora mtj et al 09:04 francharb hi mtj 09:04 kf hi mtj :) 09:51 magnuse lesson learned: some people can't access port 8080 09:52 kf ah 09:52 kf I had lots of trouble with that when doing presentations in various institutions 09:52 magnuse yeah 09:52 magnuse better to not use 8080 at all, methinks 09:53 kf we changed our demo installations to run on 80 and 443 only 09:54 kf having different ports for production is nice, because you can limit ip adress access for intranet in the firewall 09:58 magnuse ooh, good point 10:05 magnuse there is no way to customize the text on /cgi-bin/koha/opac-user.pl, right? where it says "Don't have a password yet?" etc 10:06 magnuse the text you see when yo uare not logged in , i mean 10:07 kf I have done it with jquery 10:07 kf I coudl show you an example? 10:08 magnuse yes please! 10:08 kf [off] https://seminar-rottweil.bsz-bw.de/cgi-bin/koha/opac-user.pl 10:08 * magnuse should have thought about that... 10:09 kf look for the comment /* Anmeldung, the 2 lines below that 10:09 kf hm interesting 10:09 wahanui i heard interesting was sometimes good and sometimes bad 10:09 magnuse yup, got it 10:09 kf the text vanished 10:09 magnuse kf++ 10:10 kf oh wrong cataog, that explains 10:10 magnuse hehe 10:10 magnuse might be an idea to turn that area into a syspref... 10:11 magnuse (kf will say it can't be translated then, which is of course correct) 10:11 magnuse :-) 10:11 kf magnuse: true, she will say that 10:11 kf want an example for "translated" jquery? :) 10:12 magnuse yes please? 10:12 magnuse we could also have the syspref be a tt fragment and evaluate it in the template 10:13 kf I think what we'd need is some kind of control structure 10:13 kf but it might beesier to just integrate it in the news system? 10:13 kf that is supposed to do what we want... but we are still missing a standard language definition to be used as a proper fallback 10:13 magnuse then we coul dhave this in the syspref: [% IF language = de-DE %]Guten tag[% ELSE %]Hello[% END %] 10:14 kf [off] http://paste.koha-community.org/377 10:14 magnuse [off] clever! 11:14 kf hi drojf :) 11:15 drojf hi kf :) 12:24 kf quiet day on #koha 12:35 jcamins Good morning, #koha. 12:36 kf welcome back! 12:36 wahanui I was trapped in a maze of twisty, turny passages, all alike. 12:36 kf wahanui: not you. 12:36 wahanui kf: huh? 12:36 jcamins Hehe. 12:37 kf back home safe and sound? :) 12:37 jcamins Yup. 12:37 kf :) 12:37 kf yay! 12:40 drojf back 12:41 kf drojf: see who is back from vacation! 12:41 kf :P 12:41 kf jcamins: is myshkin around too? 12:41 jcamins Nope. 12:41 kf oooh :( 12:43 drojf myshkin is still on vacation? i picture him sitting somewhere with a hat and a cocktail glass. with a little cocktail umbrella (no idea what they are called in english, probably not that) 12:43 jcamins Cocktail umbrellas. :) 12:43 drojf ha. languages, so easy 12:43 jcamins Hehe. 12:43 kf drojf: and a toothpick with a mouse in the cocktail? *ew* 12:43 drojf lol 12:44 jcamins Hehe. 12:48 * jcamins prepares to flex his RM muscles. 12:50 kf heh 12:50 kf scary 12:51 jcamins Hey, do you know where that chart showing bug statuses is? 12:57 tcohen good morning 13:05 kf jcamins: hmm 13:05 kf jcamins: look on the gbsd wiki pages 13:05 jcamins Where would I find them? 13:05 kf look for gbsd in the wiki? 13:05 kf :) 13:05 kf gbsd? 13:05 wahanui gbsd is, like, Global Bug Squashing Day 13:05 jcamins What am I looking for? 13:05 jcamins I see a whole bunch. 13:06 jcamins The last one in November. 13:06 kf http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2012-03-19_Global_bug_squashing_week 13:06 jcamins Oh. 13:06 jcamins Right. 13:06 jcamins Sorry, I forgot my question. 13:06 kf jcamins: are you sure the vacation was a good idea? 13:06 jcamins lol 13:06 * kf hides 13:07 jcamins Right now I am writing a message about the 3.12 timeline. 13:07 jcamins And fortifying my office against the waves of protest that will follow. 13:07 kf now you made me curious :) 13:24 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @27point7: "gahhhh feature freeze March 22. Stop time please! #Kohails" 13:24 * jcamins does a duck-and-cover drill. 13:29 jcamins @later tell rangi Could you please run updatedatabase on jenkins. 13:29 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded. 13:29 jcamins @later tell rangi Could you please add a 3.14 version to Bugzilla? 13:29 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded. 13:33 kf jcamins: now you stole my idea :) 13:34 oleonard Hi everybody 13:34 kf hi oleonard :) 13:38 nengard hiya oleonard and all 13:55 khall wizzyrea: can you SO the QA followup on bug 5790 ? 13:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5790 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Deleting a biblio should alert/fail if there are existent subscriptions and holds 13:56 kf khall: she is asleep .) 13:56 khall that's kind of what I figured ; ) 13:56 khall do we have a bot here that supports @later ? 13:56 jcamins Yeah, huginn. 13:57 khall thanks! 13:57 kf @later tell khall boo 13:57 huginn kf: The operation succeeded. 13:57 khall @later tell wizzyrea can you SO the QA followup on bug 5790? 13:57 huginn khall: The operation succeeded. 13:57 khall ahh! 13:57 oleonard All the Koha timeline events I put in my calendar get automatically scheduled for 3:12PM 13:57 * khall frightens easily 13:58 kf hehe 13:58 kf oleonard: lol 13:58 kf not a bad time :) 13:59 oleonard Feature freeze is coming up quite soon. Time does fly. 13:59 khall jcamins, thanks for the push update, I kind of figured I just had to wait a but 13:59 khall s/but/bit/ 13:59 magnuse hehe 14:01 magnuse gah. i had my sip2 client code talking nicely to the koha sip2 server on thursday. today all i cen get out of the server is "new Sip::MsgType: Skipping message '63' unsupported by protocol rev. '1'". what the dickens? 14:01 jcamins magnuse: eww. 14:01 jcamins What SIP2 client? 14:01 magnuse the one i'm writing ;-) 14:01 jcamins Why are you writing a SIP2 client? 14:01 magnuse just checking the usernames/passwords 14:02 Dyrcona magnuse: Why reinvent the wheel? http://git.mvlcstaff.org/?p=tsbere/PHPSIP2.git;a=summary 14:02 magnuse i'm working on an ebook thing that will authenticate users against ILSes using SIP2 14:02 magnuse i am leeching off some code dpavlin wrote 14:03 khall magnuse, this may help http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9288 14:03 magnuse thanks Dyrcona, but perl is my weapon of choice... 14:03 huginn 04Bug 9288: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add a script to test SIP from the command line 14:04 khall it would be really nice to have a SIP2 Client module in CPAN 14:04 magnuse it would! 14:04 magnuse i was mildly shocked to find there wasn't one already 14:04 * Dyrcona wishes Standard Interchange Protocol would just die already. 14:04 magnuse Dyrcona: yup 14:05 magnuse here's the code i have been using: https://github.com/dpavlin/Biblio-SIP2 14:05 magnuse as i said it was working nicely on thursday 14:05 magnuse today the server seems to insist on not using sip v. 2 14:06 drojf do i need ICU to search french î? or is that a matter of improper mapping file? 14:07 jcamins drojf: you should not. 14:08 kf jcamins: maybe if it's not mapped to i you need to add it? 14:09 jcamins kf: maybe. 14:09 kf oleonard++ for working on bootstrap 14:09 drojf that's what i meant with improper mapping file. i'll see what is in there 14:10 drojf i remember doing one for german as there was none. and nobody signed off on it :P 14:10 kf drojf: why are you not using icu? 14:10 oleonard kf: I'm going to dump a big pile of patches on you if the first couple from bug 9420 get pushed 14:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9420 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Work on Bootstrap for Koha 14:11 drojf kf: we do on the test server but not on the other, test-but-one-day-productive server 14:11 kf hm 14:11 kf that is not exactly an explanation :) 14:11 drojf not my call… 14:11 drojf nobody listens to me 14:11 drojf or something like that 14:11 drojf ^^ 14:12 kf oleonard: could I ask you for a bug list with the right sequence maybe? :) 14:12 kf drojf: do it the sneaky way? :P 14:12 drojf i don't understand the one thing after the other approach some people use 14:12 drojf i can very well do a lot of things at a… OH LOOK a squirrel!!! 14:13 oleonard kf: I haven't filed separate bugs for each patch, but I could. The order should not matter once the first couple are pushed. 14:13 kf ok, so what was the first couple again? I am going to write myself a big note 14:14 kf ah right 14:14 kf 9420 14:14 kf bug 9420 14:15 kf and the other was acq navigation, right? 14:15 * kf is a bit confused today, sorry 14:15 oleonard Yes 14:16 kf ok :) 15:04 magnuse oh for crying out loud. all my sip2 woes were caused by my updating the code of the koha installation, but not running the web installer to do the upgrades. so what i was seeing was the sip2 equivalent of the "maintenance" sign in the opac... i think i'll go to bed now... 15:05 kf lol 15:05 kf bit early? :) 15:05 magnuse yeah... 15:06 * kf hands you a cookie 15:06 kf note it down somewhere, so it won't be a problem next time :) 15:07 magnuse thanks for the cookie 15:07 magnuse now i have forgotten what i catually wanted to work on today... 15:07 oleonard Signing off on lots of patches? 15:08 kf organize gbsd? :) 15:10 libsysguy kf http://jira.koha-ils.com/browse/KOHA 15:11 drojf so it's called KOHA in your proprietary system? :P 15:11 kf you shouldn't do KOHA 15:12 libsysguy thats the unique key 15:13 kf it's a bit irritating it shows the oldest versions first everywhere 15:13 libsysguy ah yeah, I'm sure there is a setting for that 15:13 libsysguy I was actually pointing out the graph 15:14 kf hm 15:14 kf which tab was that? when I click your link now it always brings me to "agile" because I was looking around a bit 15:14 kf ah summary 15:15 libsysguy ah yes summary 15:15 kf yeah it's building up 15:15 kf but we also got more developers and people..., only not more sign-offers 15:16 kf hm well you might just have wanted to point out that it#s a nice graph :) 15:17 libsysguy I guess it was known that sign-offs have slipped, I just didn't know the gap was growing like that 15:17 jcamins Yup. 15:18 chris_n cat quot of the day: "To err is human. To purr, feline" 15:19 drojf @seen mveron 15:19 huginn drojf: mveron was last seen in #koha 3 weeks, 1 day, 7 hours, 46 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <mveron> BRB 15:19 drojf lol 15:20 drojf it's been quite a while for "brb" 15:20 jcamins drojf: he inadvertantly fell through a temporal rift and is going to reappear in a few weeks unaware that it's been months. 15:21 drojf we should send out those facebooky "where are you? your bugs are missing you. maybe you know 9876, 8765 or eight other bugs?" emails 15:21 jcamins Heh. 15:21 jcamins bug 9876 15:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9876 was not found. 15:21 jcamins bug 8765 15:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8765 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, RESOLVED FIXED, Add series title to intranet search results (non XSLT) 15:21 drojf i improvised ;) 15:21 jcamins I gathered. 15:21 drojf :) 15:21 jcamins Eventually. 15:23 drojf there sure is a lot of enhancement bugs waiting. people should spend more time fixing stuff ;) 15:28 jcamins drojf: or at least ushering the enhancements already submitted through. 15:30 libsysguy jcamins, kf I've canceled any of the atlassian software related to koha and shutdown the server 15:30 libsysguy sorry for causing a fuss 15:32 kf libsysguy: :( 15:34 oleonard Nobody's opposed to trying to address workflow issues libsysguy, we're just opposed to doing it using non-FOSS software 15:34 kf libsysguy: I didn't want to discourage you :( 15:34 oleonard libsysguy: You seem to have ideas about how we can improve our workflow. Are they all tied to software, or are there issue that can be addressed organizationally? 15:34 libsysguy I know, but after seeing what rangi went through with gerrit 15:34 libsysguy I just don't want to try 15:34 oleonard ? 15:35 libsysguy I would like to work on the review process 15:35 oleonard "what rangi went through with gerrit?" 15:35 jcamins Okay... 15:35 jcamins I have a question. 15:35 libsysguy he pushed with gerrit adoption 15:35 libsysguy and didn't really get anywhere 15:36 libsysguy shoot jcamins 15:36 oleonard Shooting jcamins won't solve anything 15:36 libsysguy hehe 15:36 jcamins Why does the jQuery documentation suggest things like $(element).load if the only object that handles .load is $(window)? 15:36 libsysguy a backporting failure? 15:36 jcamins If I'd *known* that that was the only object with a .load event that triggers, I wouldn't have bothered with anything else first! 15:37 libsysguy lol well maybe they make money on a per keystroke basis 15:38 jcamins lol 15:38 oleonard jcamins: used on which element? 15:38 jcamins oleonard: I tried it on an img element, then a div, then document. 15:38 oleonard The warnings about img are pretty big (http://api.jquery.com/load-event/) but it does imply you can use it elsewhere 15:39 jcamins Yeah. 15:39 jcamins I saw the warnings. 15:39 kf jcamins: what are you trying to do? 15:39 oleonard jcamins: Is it documentation or experience that tells you it doesn't actually work on others? 15:39 jcamins But I was hoping to get around the fact that ajaxStop doesn't seem to get triggered. 15:39 jcamins Experience. 15:39 jcamins Hard won, miserably endured. 15:39 oleonard Deprecated in 1.8 anyway... 15:40 Dyrcona Heh... 15:40 oleonard jcamins: What about .ready() ? 15:40 jcamins oleonard: .ready() fires before AJAX requests are completed. 15:40 jcamins And .ajaxStop doesn't do anything that I can find. 15:41 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails New Library Extension Chrome plugin for Keys http://t.co/EGHXFgUX" 15:41 jcamins Unless maybe I put .ajaxStop inside .ready? 15:41 drojf the one thing i learned about jquery the last days is that it is very persistent and backwards compatible. not. :( 15:43 alohabot Hi mib_7uw2es, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 15:43 jcamins See, http://api.jquery.com/ajaxStop/ <-- that example never gets triggered. 15:45 kf people, stop complaining and eat cookies :) 15:46 jcamins Well, problem solved with $(window).load() 15:46 chris_n did someone say cookies? 15:47 kf hey chris_n :) 15:49 chris_n heya kf 16:07 kf wahanui: 90-04095802 16:07 wahanui kf: what? 16:07 kf 3/2 16:07 kf wahanui: 2/2 16:07 wahanui 1 16:08 kf wahanui: 90-4095802 16:08 wahanui -4095712 16:08 drojf wahanui: get me some food 16:08 wahanui drojf: what? 16:08 oleonard kf: No cheating on your math homework! 16:08 drojf wahanui: now that you ask… not sure. gluten free kebab? 16:08 wahanui drojf: bugger all, i dunno 16:08 kf oleonard: oooh 16:09 chris_n wahanui: tan(45) 16:09 wahanui chris_n: what? 16:09 chris_n I guess wahanui never got to trig 16:09 drojf wahanui: kebab² 16:09 wahanui drojf: sorry... 16:09 kf wahanui: 4%3 16:09 wahanui 0.052 16:09 oleonard wahanui probably switched to art class like I did 16:09 wahanui oleonard: what? 16:09 kf that doesn't look right? 16:12 chris_n no, 4%3 is 1 16:12 chris_n sorry wahanui 16:12 chris_n go back to painting 16:14 jcamins 4 \ 3 16:14 jcamins wahanui: 4 \ 2 16:14 wahanui jcamins: excuse me? 16:14 jcamins wahanui: 4 \ 3 16:14 wahanui jcamins: sorry... 16:14 jcamins wahanui: 4 / 3 16:14 wahanui 1.33333333333333 16:14 jcamins wahanui: 4 // 3 16:14 wahanui 4 16:14 jcamins wahanui: 4 mod 3 16:14 wahanui jcamins: i'm not following you... 16:15 oleonard wahanui: Why was 6 afraid of 7? 16:15 wahanui oleonard: i haven't a clue 16:15 jcamins lol 17:03 drojf people who bought "please provide step by step instructions" on the web also bought "can you do it for me?" in real life 17:03 * drojf feels ranty 17:03 jcamins lol 17:07 kf $Caitli 17:07 kf ignore that :) 17:07 * oleonard feels ranty about patches without test plans 17:07 oleonard Even the small patches need test plans! 17:07 kf people, stop ranting, eat more cookies. 17:08 * oleonard rants while eating cookies, sprays crumbs on his keyboard 17:08 kf lol 17:14 nengard you need one of those keyboard vacuums 17:19 drojf usb powered? 17:19 nengard yes 17:19 nengard http://www.amazon.com/Vacuum-Cleaner-hoover-Keyboard-Product/dp/B000MVD55E 17:19 nengard :) 17:20 drojf lol 17:21 nengard you've never seen that? 17:21 jcamins lol 17:21 jcamins I hadn't. 17:22 oleonard Useful for a laptop I guess. I just take this desktop keyboard apart and bathe it. 17:22 drojf me neither. i expected its existance, still it's funny to actually see it being sold :) 17:23 nengard :) hehe 17:23 nengard There are more funny ones on thinkigeek 17:23 nengard thinkgeek 17:26 kf bye all :) 17:50 drojf my kingdom for a mini usb cable. or is it micro? 17:50 * oleonard offers one of his 5 17:51 jcamins We have a chronic shortage. 17:52 * oleonard blames jcamins' cats 17:52 drojf i have some at home. but to get there i would like to put more music on my music player here and now :( 17:53 drojf i need wireless usb 17:53 jcamins You mean... bluetooth? :P 17:54 drojf heh maybe. maybe there are little-usb dongles 17:54 rangi jcamins: done and done 17:55 drojf »Persona. Simplified sign-in«. cool. just can't login 17:55 drojf rangi: have you visited the dev part of the mozilla marketplace by any chance? 17:56 rangi yep 17:57 rangi that reminds me, i have to finish my persona code for koha before march 15 17:57 drojf hm. i get a popup that says "connecting to persona" and nothing ever happens 17:57 drojf i can login directly to persona though. just don't use it for anything :D 17:57 drojf s/don't/not/ 17:58 rangi hmm i just logged in ok 17:58 jcamins rangi: thanks. 17:58 drojf strange. i even turned off all adblockers, cookie stuff, script blockers etc 17:59 rangi weird 18:00 rangi speaking of apps 18:00 rangi updated version of kiritaki koha just came out 18:00 rangi jcamins: i switched 3.4 to inactive too 18:01 jcamins Thanks! 18:07 * jcamins successfully tied an Eldredge knot! 18:07 jcamins Much easier than a bowtie. 18:12 jcamins It's not the right kind of tie for an Eldredge knot, but it's still pretty awesome. 18:14 drojf rangi: works in safe mode. looks like it does not like one of my extensions 18:14 * magnuse finally groks the last part of his sip2 puzzle and calls it a day before he can discover anything wrong with the solution 18:15 drojf oh wow, 100 pages of TOS 18:17 oleonard So, shorter than average drojf? 18:17 drojf lol 18:19 * cait waves 18:20 * chris_n hands jcamins a gordian knot 18:24 drojf ha. firefox os is not even released and has more apps than webos ever got 18:25 rangi heh 18:25 rangi morning 18:25 * rangi gets up to feed the horde 18:27 cait morning 18:27 * chris_n offers to help rangi carry the zillion nearly-empty boxes of cereal to the table 18:28 * drojf packs and heads home 18:34 libsysguy hey jcamins 18:34 libsysguy I heard back from index data 18:34 libsysguy they recommend writing mapping files from PQF -CCL 18:35 cait hm? 18:36 jcamins libsysguy: ... that makes no sense at all. 18:37 pastebot "libsysguy" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "indexdata" (7 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/379 18:37 libsysguy there you go 18:37 jcamins Hm. 18:37 jcamins I see. 18:37 jcamins Okay, metaproxy ftw. 18:38 libsysguy thats kind of what I'm thinking 18:39 jcamins If they're saying "you need to map from unambiguous to ambiguous so we can re-map it to unambiguous," better to just go with an unambiguous-unambiguous mapping. 18:41 libsysguy so paz expects ambiguous 18:41 libsysguy meta expects unambiguous 18:42 jcamins Right. 18:43 * libsysguy should start removing paz from master 18:44 cait shouldn't we have something working before we remove something? 18:44 * libsysguy is just messing around 18:44 libsysguy but paz doesn't work anyway 18:44 jcamins cait: pazpar2 doesn't work. 18:44 libsysguy its just sitting there hogging up disc space 18:44 cait I think rangi had it working not too long ago 18:44 cait so maybe don't kick it out yet 18:44 jcamins I did too. 18:45 libsysguy I asked 18:45 jcamins rangi clarified that the Pazpar2 code in Koha was broken, and he wrote a proof-of-concept not using that code. 18:45 libsysguy I think he said it wasn't working anymore 18:45 libsysguy yeah that 18:45 wahanui rumour has it yeah that is fine as it is 18:45 libsysguy wahanui forget yeah that 18:45 wahanui libsysguy: I forgot yeah that 18:45 jcamins And I said "jeez, wth do we have the code, then, if it has never functioned?" And his response was something like "I don't need to tell you that." 18:45 jcamins He was right. 18:46 libsysguy jcamins is a fast learner 18:47 libsysguy so if I were to enter an enh for this 18:47 libsysguy could I say, replace pazpar2 with metaproxy? 18:48 libsysguy or should I have one for remove pazpar2 and one for adding meta 18:48 jcamins I have no problem with a combined enhancement. 18:49 jcamins Grr. 18:49 jcamins I really wish I knew my PIN for the local library's catalog. 18:49 libsysguy 7777? 18:50 jcamins Wow. 18:50 jcamins I figured it out. 18:50 jcamins It only took... 18:50 jcamins thirty... 18:50 jcamins tries. 18:50 libsysguy they let you try 30 times and didn't lock you out? 18:50 libsysguy geez 18:50 oleonard Uh... 18:50 jcamins libsysguy: I've been trying twice every few days for the last six months.\ 18:51 libsysguy oh wowza 18:55 rangi we dont lock people out 18:55 rangi if someone wanted to add that as a syspref, that would be cool, on by default for new installs, off for upgrades 18:56 oleonard rangi said it, so somebody better go do it! 18:56 * oleonard snaps his fingers impatiently 18:57 * libsysguy is already rewriting searching 18:57 jcamins libsysguy: you are rewriting metasearch. 18:57 libsysguy ^^ this 18:58 libsysguy jcamins is rewriting searching 18:58 libsysguy :p 18:58 jcamins Exactly. 18:58 jcamins Hey... I could take out a book with Overdrive. 18:58 jcamins Oh, wait. 18:59 * jcamins chuckles. I'm so funny. 18:59 jcamins I wonder how many books I can request at a time... 18:59 libsysguy none, they are all already checked out 19:00 libsysguy at least that has been my experience with it 19:00 oleonard And because it's an electronic file, only one person can view it at a time. 19:00 * oleonard gets in line behind 38,000,000 other people to use Google 19:00 rangi i think overdrive 19:01 jcamins libsysguy: I meant paper books. 19:01 rangi is an example of why libraries are in trouble 19:01 rangi 'oh it sux, it's horrible for our borrowers .. meh lets do it anyway' 19:01 jcamins After I finished cracking myself up, I went ahead and requested a book I could actually read. 19:01 libsysguy I need metadata searching for dummies 19:02 jcamins What was the other book I wanted? 19:02 jcamins Something non-fiction-y. 19:02 jcamins Oh well. 19:03 rangi oh, and lets throw a ton of cash down the discovery layer hole too while we are creating things that don't actually help people 19:04 * jcamins is very excited about learning the 85 ways to tie a tie. 19:04 rangi heh 19:04 jcamins Queens Library's discovery layer did not prevent me from requesting the book. 19:04 jcamins Though it did freeze when I tried to do a search. 19:04 oleonard rangi: Do you think libraries should be pursuing alternate ways of lending ebooks, or do you think ebooks are part of the problem? 19:04 rangi the former 19:04 wahanui rumour has it the former is much more complicated 19:05 oleonard wahanui has it right there :) 19:05 wahanui oleonard: huh? 19:05 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9509' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f17c016dfb71466923526128e9e0f4773b394f4c> / Bug 9509 - batchMod.pl does not ensure each barcode is unique <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=11feabf09b56c4a8756c882b289bc9d3bbf10ab0> 19:05 jenkins_koha Starting build #1035 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1033 4 days 1 hr ago) 19:06 rangi yep its not an easy problem, and they would have to break a habit formed over years and years 19:06 rangi and actually call vendors on their bullshit publicly 19:06 rangi while loudly applauding publishers like Tor who provide drm free ebooks 19:07 rangi you'd think something like ALA would do it 19:07 rangi but they spend time arguing about streaming the council meetings instead 19:07 rangi </rant> 19:08 jcamins rangi: ALA... the organization that claims that there's an impending librarian shortage? 19:08 jcamins rangi: hey! Would you like a piece of the Brooklyn Bridge? 19:08 rangi heh 19:09 oleonard If you had to know how to use the tab key to move between form fields to qualify there really would be a librarian shortage. 19:09 rangi you know whats even worse than offering overdrive 19:09 rangi its doing it outside of your catalogue 19:10 jcamins oleonard: granted. 19:11 rangi so the library just becomes a patron database for overdrive to use 19:11 rangi ive seen that a lot :( 19:11 cait yeah that's bad :( 19:11 jcamins Oh... at least Overdrive is apparently now offering books that can be read on e-readers. 19:12 jcamins However, I can have the paper books in the time it takes to mail a book from Flushing. 19:12 jcamins The ebook would take about... 19:12 jcamins two months. 19:14 rangi heh that's awesome 19:30 oleonard Batch patron deletion... Does it work? Did I already ask this? 19:30 jcamins oleonard: it did when I tested it. 19:31 cait oleonard: I haven't needed it yet I am afraid - so don't know 19:32 oleonard I get a gateway time-out when I test it in my VM 19:32 jcamins Odd. 19:36 rangi if it takes a while, you will get that, if its not working in the background, like stage marc import 19:36 rangi all those things like patron import, batch changes etc, would work a lot more reliably if we backgrounded them using the same technique 19:37 jcamins That's the idea behind C4::Service or C4::BackgroundJob or whatever. 19:42 oleonard I guess we don't have a cron job for it 19:44 rangi yep 20:12 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1035: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1035/ 20:12 jenkins_koha kyle: Bug 9509 - batchMod.pl does not ensure each barcode is unique 20:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9509 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , batchMod.pl does not ensure each barcode is unique 20:13 jcamins Still unstable? 20:13 wahanui unstable is probably sid 20:13 jcamins I'd like to know why XISBN fails randomly. 20:14 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ibeardslee: "Kiritaki Koha Android app has an update with the work done by the @CatalystAcademy students. https://t.co/GFOyv8xM #kohails #flossac" 20:16 rangi jcamins: network to thingxisbn i think 20:16 jcamins Ah. Makes sense. 20:18 cait hi BobB :) 20:18 BobB hi cait 20:19 BobB early morning here, still bleary eyed. :) 20:19 rangi !jenkins build koha_master now 20:19 jenkins_koha rangi: job koha_master build scheduled now 20:19 jenkins_koha Starting build #1036 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1033 4 days 3 hr ago) 20:20 cait BobB: and getting late here... can feel the day 20:24 jcamins LibreOffice is now using gerrit. 20:28 jcamins How do you find out which tags have a particular commit? 20:29 senator git tag --contains <commit> 20:29 jcamins Thanks! 20:29 cait oh 20:29 cait I should note that somewhere :) 20:29 cait useful 20:29 oleonard Who says our nation's Congress isn't tech-savvy? 20:30 jcamins oleonard: uh-oh. 20:30 senator :-) 20:40 drojf is bug 9381 a valid bug? i don't see wgat is there to test. we know the translation functionality works 20:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9381 trivial, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Needs Signoff , Add Catalan language 20:41 jcamins Yes. 20:41 drojf ah i did not see the attachment and was confused what to do :) 20:41 jcamins :) 20:44 drojf »Depends: EEEK: unknown package for Data::Pagination« lol is that supposed to look like that? 20:44 oleonard Huh... How long have we had a "clone this bug" link in Bugzilla? 20:45 drojf i have never seen it. where is it? 20:45 drojf ah 20:45 drojf i foun dit 20:46 drojf do we have a "add 'needs a test plan' to every bug" button? 20:47 jcamins drojf: building a package? 20:48 drojf jcamins: it's in the patch for bug 8806 20:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8806 minor, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Debian packaging updates 20:48 jcamins Ah. 21:19 glawson_ So yesterday an asteroid entered earth's atmosphere and scattered Kr-band ionizing rays over the world, and none of our Windows XP computers would connect to Koha or Google. 21:20 glawson_ Network/koha problem you know, and of course, I was off work yesterday. 21:20 jcamins lol 21:20 glawson_ http://thenextweb.com/apps/2013/02/05/kaspersky-antivirus-update-cripples-internet-for-thousands-of-windows-xp-machines/ 21:20 drojf windows + xp + antivirus sounds like a good combination 21:21 glawson_ However, at our remote branch I have a single user running Linux Mint, and her computer ran just fine all day and saved the world as they know it from total meltdown. 21:21 jcamins glawson_: huh! I thought it was just that the old XP computer we have plugged into our TV sucks. 21:21 glawson_ hey, how'd I get to be me? 21:22 jcamins I uninstalled Kaspersky and installed the Microsoft alternative and it worked fine. 21:23 rambutan I had to do that on three machines. The others I just kept beating Kaspersky with updates. Sometimes it would only install one or two, and I'd reboot, get another 1-2 to load, lather, rinse, repeat 21:23 rambutan If I could get a complete Kaspersky update to finish the those machines were OK> 21:23 rambutan . 21:24 jcamins I didn't know there was an actual problem. 21:24 rambutan Fortunately, fortunately, in my absence they didn't try to reboot Koha endlessly. 21:25 jcamins I'd laugh appreciatively, but I know you're serious. 21:26 rambutan well, thinkgs are ok now, but it's been a long day. 21:26 rambutan I need coffee. 21:26 drojf jcamins: what is acqui/addorderiso2409.pl and how do i get there? 21:26 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed! 21:26 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1036: FIXED in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1036/ 21:26 jcamins drojf: good question. 21:26 jcamins It is... 21:26 jcamins oh, right. 21:27 jcamins Adding an item to an order from a staged record. 21:27 drojf staged for… acquisition? where would i do that? i don't see that option 21:29 * drojf is an acquisition noob. but i'm trying to spell the word correctly 21:29 jcamins Open a basket. 21:29 jcamins At the bottom it says "Add order to basket" 21:29 jcamins There's a link for "From a staged file." 21:30 drojf ah i see it 21:30 drojf thanks 21:33 cait :) 21:33 drojf hrmgl. no. i still don't get where that file should have been staged. i see no files. i didn't stage any so that is ok i guess 21:33 cait drojf: stage a file in tools 21:33 cait like you would do for an import 21:33 drojf for importß 21:33 cait but don't import it 21:33 jcamins Oh, right. You need to stage some files first. 21:33 drojf hm i had files there 21:33 cait if tey are imported 21:33 drojf but i dont see any of them 21:33 cait they won't show up 21:33 drojf AH! 21:33 drojf ok 21:33 drojf wait 21:33 cait if you undo an import... they will show up again 21:34 cait and authority imports show up there accidentally - but i filed a bug for that 21:34 drojf imported and reverted. alright. then i'll find me a nice file 21:34 cait drojf: one of my tricks is to send me a cart from opac 21:34 cait nice tiny marc file for testing with all the records I want 21:36 drojf ok that shows up, thanks 21:43 drojf that's a nice functionality i did not know of :) 21:43 cait the staged order? :) 21:43 drojf yes 21:44 drojf and now it could work with plack too. if only someone would qa it ;) 21:44 drojf bug 9213 scares me off every time i open it 21:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9213 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Implement analytics for NORMARC XSLT 21:45 drojf if the test plan does not fit on my screen i probably do not have enough time to follow it 21:45 jcamins lol 21:46 drojf and then the last sentence is »- Do all of this both for GRS-1 indexing and for DOM indexing...« 21:55 cait drojf: you are not afraid of proper tst plans, are you? 22:05 drojf i wish i could skip sleep for a week or two. days too short 22:07 drojf problem is, i feel like i had skipped sleep for a week 22:08 BobB :) .. familiar feeling 22:12 cait drojf: oh yes... 22:20 rangi oh joy 22:21 cait hm? 22:22 cait ah 22:22 cait mailing list? 22:22 wahanui mailing list is at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ 22:22 cait I don't see how that is not caching? 22:23 * cait may be too tired 22:23 cait good night #koha :) 22:23 jcamins Caching what? 22:23 wahanui hmmm... Caching is good. Caching using module variables is not. 22:24 rangi it was the spam 22:24 rangi someone has been hacked 22:24 jcamins Ah. 22:25 rangi however i think we can implement frederircd idea totally clientside 22:25 rangi using html5 and localstorage or indexdb 22:25 rangi i dont think we need to build a new server/service 22:25 drojf jcamins: i don't see these errors in intranet-error.log, or should i look somewhere else? bug 9451 22:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9451 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , borrower_stats.pl gives off warnings and is not Plack-compatible 22:26 drojf heh, rangi speaks firefoxosish 22:27 drojf make it a cover app 22:27 rangi exactly 22:27 jcamins I got those in intranet-error.log. 22:27 rangi and it will work fine in modern browsers too 22:27 drojf jcamins: then i cannot reproduce it. i could try the plack part anyway, i have oinly tried apache so far 22:28 jcamins Oh, that problem occurs only under Plack. 22:28 drojf ah, then i misunderstood it, alright then 22:28 jcamins The point of the Apache bit was to make sure that it still worked the same. 22:29 drojf i read it like in apache it gives warning and under plack its broken 22:29 edveal I just submitted a bug report dealing with the ccsr theme. Apparently OPACMobileUserCSS being overriden by OPACUserCSS. 22:30 drojf rangi: yes, having a centralized server is the wrong idea for most things and i'm very sure it is for the cover stuff 22:31 drojf while we're at it, let's make the mobile view an app too 22:32 rangi heh 22:33 drojf i have managed to use localstorage once and read half a canvas tutorial this morning. i am fully prepared for the app business :D 22:34 rangi he 22:34 rangi h 22:34 rangi localstorage is cool 22:35 drojf indeed. it took me some time to get out the same that i put in but now it works 22:35 rangi you totally could store the urls to images in it easily 22:39 drojf sure. something like lot's of {"isbn":"http://my.url/path/file.png"}ses should work. or something more sophisticated i have not learned yet 22:39 rangi yeah 22:40 rangi and then a library to conver isbn to asin or whatever 22:40 rangi then hit the url if it 404, try the next place, etc 22:41 rangi if none are found cache that too 22:41 rangi with some kinda timeout thing 22:42 drojf yeah 22:43 rangi that way it can handle local images too 22:44 rangi and then in the syspref, you just define the priority 22:44 rangi ie local first, then openlibary, then google etc 22:44 drojf yeah that should work 22:46 * jcamins bounces excitedly on his exercise ball- drojf is making multiple cover images play nice together! 22:46 drojf https://hacks.mozilla.org/2012/02/saving-images-and-files-in-localstorage/ <- heh 22:47 drojf we can draw the covers in canvas ;) 22:47 rangi heh 22:47 rangi sweet 22:48 rangi im not sure we want to go that far down the rabbit hole tho :) 22:49 drojf :) 22:50 jcamins As long as it's drojf going down the rabbit hole, I'm all for it! :P 22:50 drojf jcamins: i also don't get the error with plack. it just does the report. i do a statistics wizard-patrons and include my extended attribute. is there something else i am missing? 22:51 drojf add 'report' somewhere in that sentence 22:51 jcamins I don't think so. 22:51 jcamins I got it every time. 22:51 drojf weird 23:09 rambutan how timely, I was just thinking I needed some Raspberry drops 23:10 rangi heh 23:11 rangi yeah unfortunately its hard for spam filters to catch ppl who are legitimately subscribed to the list and post urls, without stopping almost everyone :) 23:17 drojf i'll take the drops while i wait for the raspberry pi camera module 23:22 drojf hm. model a needs only 1/3 of the power of model b. but with one usb slot only i cannot power my wifi adapter, otherwise that would scream "raspberry solar koha" ;) 23:25 rambutan 1 usb slot only? the Mod A you mean? 23:26 drojf yes 23:26 drojf http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/3215 23:26 jcamins drojf: what's the problem with 1 USB? 23:27 drojf jcamins: my wifi dongle needs the power of two it seems 23:27 jcamins But one is just power? 23:27 drojf ? 23:27 jcamins You only need to plug one USB into the computer, right? 23:28 jcamins i.e. the other one could be plugged into a power source? 23:28 jcamins Like a solar panel? 23:28 drojf ah, yes 23:28 drojf okok, i'll buy one… :D kidding, maybe later 23:29 drojf i suppose they will upgrade model a to 512mb ram in a few months 23:30 jcamins Hehe. 23:31 drojf but with one running koha and one running my harddisk and bittorrent… where am i going to plug in the camera? /o\ 23:34 dcook Morning #koha 23:35 rambutan I just found the 15pin CSI port for the PiCam 23:38 drojf that camera module is tiny 20x25mm or something. excellent for clumsy people like myself 23:38 drojf morning dcook 23:38 dcook morning drojf 23:39 dcook Very early morning, perhaps? :P 23:40 drojf dcook: late evening ;) 23:40 drojf i think i'm too tired to go to bed 23:40 dcook Gotta love that feeling 23:41 rambutan time to go...ltr 23:42 dcook I actually managed to get enough sleep, but 3rd day of work with no air conditioning. 8 hours of 30 degrees...fun times 23:43 drojf sounds like it 23:45 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 23:45 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 1.8°C (12:13 AM CET on February 06, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.44 in 997 hPa (Steady). 23:45 drojf heat is definitely not a problem around here :D 23:45 dcook Hehe. I was wondering what part of Germany you were in 23:45 dcook @wunder sydney, australia 23:45 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 25.0°C (10:30 AM EST on February 06, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady). 23:45 bag @wunder 93102 23:45 huginn bag: The current temperature in Near Mission - TC, Santa Barbara, California is 13.7°C (3:43 PM PST on February 05, 2013). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling). 23:48 dcook I suppose it is technically summer here after all, but still! 23:48 dcook @wunder vancouver, canada 23:48 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Vancouver, British Columbia is 8.0°C (3:00 PM PST on February 05, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.78 in 1008 hPa (Steady). 23:48 dcook That doesn't sound so bad... 23:50 jcamins dcook: I guess you're back in Australia? 23:51 bag @seen cait 23:51 huginn bag: cait was last seen in #koha 1 hour, 27 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <cait> good night #koha :) 23:51 dcook Yep. Got back about a month ago. 23:51 bag night night cait 23:51 dcook jcamins: are you back in New York or still in California? 23:51 jcamins Back in New York. 23:51 jcamins As of last night. 23:51 bag you have a good trip jcamins 23:51 dcook Good trip? 23:51 jcamins Yeah, very nice. 23:51 jcamins And the weather... 23:51 wahanui the weather is nigh-on perfect here this morning...clear, 65F, supposed to get into the high 80s. Rain possible later in the week. 23:52 * jcamins sighs rapturously. 23:53 bag did you go up the tram? 23:53 jcamins We did not. 23:53 bag I haven't 23:53 jcamins My grandparents pointed out that we did go up last time I was there. 23:53 bag maybe next time I'm there 23:53 jcamins I had thought that we had done that on a different trip. 23:53 bag AHHH when was that? 23:53 jcamins Twelve years ago. 23:54 jcamins It was very nice. 23:54 bag heh 23:54 bag grandparents rule btw 23:55 jcamins They sure do! 23:58 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ellyblue: "@anomalily @kohails I've got a growing catalog of those for you right here. #analogalgorithm" 23:58 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @anomalily: "I want a kickass developer to build me a netflix-esque algorithm for @kohails "Critically-Acclaimed Zines with a Strong Female Lead"." 23:59 jcamins Hehe.