Time  Nick           Message
07:52 cait           hi #koha
17:36 magnuse        wow, quiet sunday...
18:57 * cait         waves
18:57 rangi          morning
18:58 cait           morning rangi
19:51 * wizzyrea     waves
19:51 * cait         waves to wizzyrea and trea
19:52 wizzyrea       oleonard++ :D
19:52 * trea         wavews
19:52 * trea         waves
19:57 wizzyrea       hi cait :)
20:01 rangi          http://bibframe.org/
20:02 cait           looks like... bootstrap?
20:02 rangi          probably yep
20:02 rangi          yep it is
20:02 cait           my coworker said they use a different data model than rda
20:03 cait           which seems... weird.
20:03 rangi          no one actually uses RDA
20:03 rangi          cos its ummm pointless
20:03 cait           not argueing with you about that
20:03 rangi          i think this is a sign LOC have given up on RDA
20:03 cait           but I thought bibframe was kinda thought to be the new exchange format
20:03 rangi          yep
20:03 cait           and rda the new cataloguing standard
20:03 cait           so...
20:03 rangi          in theory yes
20:03 cait           yeah, but germany decided to use it
20:04 cait           [off] /me goes to bang her head somewhere
20:04 rangi          but it seems that no one can think of cataloguing standards as being separate to storage standards
20:04 rangi          so RDA became some new MARC fields
20:04 wizzyrea       people are "using" it, they just don't know what to *do* with it
20:09 wizzyrea       (bootstrap is just a simple way to make a website quickly + accessible. You can also use it as a base framework to do other stuff on top)
20:09 cait           hm
20:09 cait           wondering if it means bibframe is also using a different structure than frbr?
20:10 wizzyrea       it doesn't look so different
20:10 cait           because I think rda was kinda using frbr?
20:10 wizzyrea       but it probably is in subtle ways.
20:10 cait           not sure
20:15 wizzyrea       cait, question
20:16 wizzyrea       the predue + due notices
20:16 wizzyrea       they show the date issued, instead of the date due
20:16 wizzyrea       does this make sense?
20:16 cait           hm no
20:17 cait           in the sample notices?
20:17 wizzyrea       that is, am I going to get a lot of pushback if I change which date is displayed, do you think
20:17 wizzyrea       no, it's in the code.
20:17 wizzyrea       of the cronjob
20:17 cait           ah, can't you change that using itemscontent?
20:17 wizzyrea       no
20:17 wizzyrea       it's part of itemscontent.
20:17 cait           ah I think I am not using itemscontent with those at all probably...
20:17 wizzyrea       it says "issuedate"
20:17 * cait         tries to remember
20:17 rangi          it is or it isnt?
20:17 rangi          part of itemscontent
20:18 wizzyrea       it is
20:18 cait           wizzyrea: let me take a look at the cronjob
20:18 rangi          then you should be able to change it
20:19 cait           wizzyrea: I think you can run the cronjob with an -itemscontent option
20:19 cait           http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=misc/cronjobs/advance_notices.pl;h=a090ecc341c18326ccc2a267a073a72b9ea688ae;hb=03b7c9f8b96cb995121b9ff80a531475f7317a8e
20:19 * wizzyrea     did not see this in the documentation
20:19 cait           although it does not seem to be in the help
20:19 cait           ...
20:20 cait           if I read line 73 correctly
20:20 cait           but should be easy to test
20:20 wizzyrea       yea, it's not in the documentation or the help
20:20 wizzyrea       but it can be done
20:20 wizzyrea       well that's easy enough.
20:20 wizzyrea       Yay
20:20 wizzyrea       :D
20:20 cait           and I would change the default
20:20 cait           if you have time... I think we did it for the overdues in the pst
20:21 cait           there should be a bug about that somewhere in the depth of bugzilla
20:21 rangi          http://perldoc.koha-community.org/misc/cronjobs/overdue_notices.html
20:21 wizzyrea       everyone wins - it's not in advanced notices but it is in overdues
20:22 wizzyrea       I will fix both things.
20:22 wizzyrea       :)
20:26 * cjh          learns about perldoc.kc
20:27 cait           :)
20:51 jcamins_away   Hello everyone. I had a brilliant idea! Let's come up with another standard that will never gain any traction and provides no identifable value!
20:51 cait           jcamins_away: you are too late
20:51 cait           someone else had the idea already :)
20:51 cait           and go back and take your vacation!
20:52 jcamins_away   cait: bah! I figured no one else in the library world would think of doing _that_.
20:52 * jcamins_away does so.
20:52 cait           :)
20:52 cait           jcamins_away++
22:19 magnuse        rough concensus and running code is the only way forward! #marcmustdie
22:19 eythian        hi
22:19 wahanui        what's up, eythian
22:25 ibeardslee     wahanui: the sun is up
22:25 wahanui        ...but sun is shining again - life is good!...
22:25 eythian        @wunder nzwn
22:25 huginn         eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0°C (11:00 AM NZDT on January 28, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.48 in 1032 hPa (Steady).
22:25 eythian        wahanui is right!
22:28 rangi          hmm that seems low
22:28 eythian        my computer is saying 17
22:28 rangi          im sure it was more than 16 when i was waiting for the bus this morning
22:29 rangi          i think the metservice is broken
22:29 eythian        and metservice is saying 15.7
22:29 eythian        maybe there's a southerly breeze
22:29 eythian        yeah, there is
22:30 ibeardslee     maybe they're just out enjoying the sun
22:30 eythian        supposed to hit 25 at about 6pm, which is a weird time for it
22:30 ibeardslee     "hey tom, go update the website", "get stuffed bill, you do it, I'm comfy and warm on the deck chair"
22:31 eythian        "well just write that in the report then!"
22:31 * wizzyrea     was at the beach at 7pm yesterday, and it was still warm.
22:34 drojf          evening