Time Nick Message 23:54 wizzyrea "yes" 23:54 wizzyrea [off] the question was "am I paranoid" the answer is 23:53 cjh [off] I couldnt quite figure out the question. 23:52 jcamins [off] I'm not sure there was any point in that e-mail. 23:36 wizzyrea ^.^ 23:11 eythian the eagles in LOTR are native, anyway :) 23:10 * wizzyrea might use that anyway. 23:10 wizzyrea i love it. 23:10 wizzyrea HAHA 23:10 rangi yeah but imagine how much better behaved they'd be if you could say "pick up those toys or ill put you outside with the eagles" 23:09 wahanui most days are partly to mostly sunny, it's really pretty rare to get a totally clear day 23:09 wizzyrea most days. 23:09 * wizzyrea rather likes small children 23:09 rangi all solved 23:09 rangi cats, dogs, sheep, small children 23:09 * ibeardslee refuses to admit to ever having a Tui 23:09 rangi just have to clone a few of them 23:08 rangi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haast's_Eagle 23:08 rangi haast eagles 23:08 eythian "Conservation status: fossil" 23:08 rangi i know how to fix the cat problem 23:08 wizzyrea hah 23:08 eythian oh, we did 23:08 eythian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_Raven 23:08 eythian oh we do 23:08 wahanui rangi: sorry... 23:08 rangi wahanui = big mouth 23:07 wizzyrea I guess you have tuis tho, they're pretty noisy. 23:07 wizzyrea they make an awful racket. Count yourselves lucky. 23:07 eythian NZ doesn't have ravens, I think 23:06 gmcharlt I don't know about wahanui 23:06 gmcharlt jcamins: huginn is a raven 23:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Bug for tracking changes to the about page 23:04 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Release notes for 3.8.9 23:04 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bumping version for 3.8.9 release 23:04 jenkins_koha * druthb: Bug 7143: Updating the About page with translation teams for Basque and Turkish 23:04 jenkins_koha * druthb: Language updates for 3.8.9 23:04 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #259: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/259/ 23:03 jcamins (wahanui = raven, right?) 23:01 wahanui jcamins: sorry... 23:01 jcamins wahanui runs around waving his wings in the air. 22:59 rangi the link from 3.8.9 is broken 22:58 wahanui http://koha-community.org/ is down? 22:58 rangi http://koha-community.org/ 22:58 rangi wizzyrea: i broke the website 22:27 jenkins_koha Starting build #259 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 22:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Bug for tracking changes to the about page 22:26 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bumping db version number for release 22:26 jenkins_koha * druthb: Bug 7143: Updating the About page with translation teams for Basque and Turkish 22:26 jenkins_koha * druthb: Updated language files for 3.10.2 22:26 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #50: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/50/ 22:10 cait rangi++ rennes++ :) 22:09 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Koha 3.10.2 released http://t.co/z3qYjU8N" 22:03 rangi committing early 22:02 rangi rennes++ 22:01 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @jsicot: "Les sources de notre version mobile #kohails sont maintenant disponibles sur Github http://t.co/7UbGFhtq." 22:01 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @jsicot: "http://t.co/7UbGFhtq => version spécifique R2. A terme, on va essayer de faire une version "générique" #kohails" 22:01 rangi being a library in a largish multinational engineering company has it's downsides :) 22:00 jcamins Ouch. 22:00 rangi new CIO etc 22:00 rangi unfortunately, the library won't have any pull in this situation 21:58 wizzyrea lol fair enough 21:58 jcamins_away :P 21:58 jcamins_away wizzyrea: so I put the data in SharePoint. 21:58 rangi heh 21:58 wizzyrea ?! 21:58 jcamins_away I was _just_ saying "yes, please, I would like to make Koha absolutely unusable and a miserable experience for my users!" 21:58 wahanui i heard that was in march? 21:58 wizzyrea what's that 21:57 jcamins_away You know what I was _just_ saying? 21:46 jenkins_koha Starting build #50 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 21:46 wizzyrea \o/ 21:46 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Release notes for 3.10.2 21:46 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #49: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/49/ 21:45 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ranginui: "#kohails 3.10.2 released http://t.co/GVPBOR0K" 21:17 cait morning eythian 21:17 eythian hi 21:16 wizzyrea bother I see what I did there - later oleonard 21:16 oleonard See you later #koha 21:14 * rangi works on the 3.10.2 release 21:14 wizzyrea I'm only changing the descriptions really 21:14 oleonard wizzyrea: It doesn't conflict however. 21:13 wizzyrea indeed. 21:13 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 21:13 wizzyrea hm interesting 21:12 rangi [off] rambutan: i know for a fact they do 21:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9439 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , Enforce superlibrarian mutual exclusivity of other permissions 21:12 oleonard wizzyrea: Did you see Bug 9439? 21:11 wizzyrea1 be afraid. be very afraid. 21:11 wizzyrea1 oleonard: oh no, now I'm into the file with the rest of the permissions. lol. 21:04 jenkins_koha Starting build #49 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 20:57 rhcl [off]do you really think they care? I can't imagine they do. 20:51 wizzyrea [off] hehe me too 20:50 oleonard [off] I always picture jwagner going off to file her report on our activities 20:43 mib_vczt1x well i understand ..i just need to explain to her why she need to use a different method for accounting on the population status 20:42 * wizzyrea is going away now. 20:42 wizzyrea wanting to know how many bibs/items in the collection I can fix. Your desire for order, I can't ^.^ 20:41 wizzyrea (do note, I'm not saying that liking things in order is *bad* just that it's better to be honest about why something is bothersome) 20:41 mib_vczt1x ok fair enough, will advise librarian accordingly 20:40 wizzyrea and run that from the interface anytime 20:40 wizzyrea one per saved report 20:40 wizzyrea with the queries I gave you :) 20:40 wizzyrea not a pre-defined one, but you can create a saved sql report in the reports interface 20:39 mib_vczt1x is there a predefined report that count the number of biblios or would i need to access the db directly for that? 20:39 oleonard It is a curiosity. 20:38 wizzyrea ;) 20:38 wizzyrea it's still not the way to count the numbers in your collection. I think what you're saying is "it bothers me that it skips numbers because I like things in order" 20:37 mib_vczt1x but the issue is that during the addition phase its skipping numbers..numbers that wouldnt have being used before 20:37 mib_vczt1x i understand a biblionimber being marked as used and not available for integrity purposes when deleted 20:33 wizzyrea if you want to know how many items there are (you could have multiple items per biblio) it's select count(*) from items 20:33 wizzyrea mib_vczt1x: make sense? 20:31 wizzyrea but counting the number of biblios in the table will always be accurate as to how many records (do note, not *items*) there are in your catalog 20:30 wizzyrea so you'll always have gaps 20:30 wizzyrea because every record gets one, and it's unique, and if you delete it, that one goes away forever. 20:30 cait I think reusing numbers would be much worse :) 20:30 wizzyrea i wouldn't use the biblionumber as a representation of how many records are in the system 20:29 wizzyrea run it any time you want to know :) 20:29 wizzyrea problem solved. 20:29 wizzyrea how many there are 20:29 wizzyrea that will just tell you 20:29 wizzyrea oh, just go to saved reports, and enter select count(*) from biblio 20:28 mib_vczt1x well think the librarian use the biblio number as an indication of the number of records in the system 20:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2969 major, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, amit.gupta, Failed QA , Report Name should be mandatory for saved reports 20:27 oleonard *sigh* A patch submitted for Bug 2969 but never followed-up on. 20:27 wizzyrea and this is bothersome because? 20:27 mib_vczt1x when the guys add a new record it seem to just skip 20:27 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" 20:27 wizzyrea the first question? 20:27 wizzyrea ? 20:26 mib_vczt1x any idea where i can turn that off if its an option 20:26 wizzyrea possibly you deleted 2744 20:26 mib_vczt1x the biblio numbers are skipping so there is no 2744 but there is 2745 20:26 wizzyrea yep 20:26 oleonard Is it still possible to create a report with no name? 20:25 mib_vczt1x i have one issue though 20:25 wizzyrea mib_vczt1x++ very good :) 20:25 wizzyrea mib_vczt1x: awesome! 20:25 mib_vczt1x i updated the wiki accordingly too 20:25 huginn druthb: "rangi": 731, "oleonard": 623, "jcamins": 491, "wizzyrea": 367, "cait": 351, "gmcharlt": 345, "chris_n": 312, "paul_p": 274, "sekjal": 245, "kf": 237, "nengard": 234, "magnuse": 204, "druthb": 176, "slef": 174, "eythian": 150, "fredericd": 95, "marcelr": 69, "hdl": 69, "mveron": 66, "biblibre": 65, "drojf": 63, "hdl_laptop": 60, "mtj": 57, "tcohen": 57, and "jwagner": 54 20:25 druthb @most increased 20:25 mib_vczt1x wizzyrea: i think i fixed the zebra issue with the installation here http://lib.themico.edu.jm/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=2743 20:25 huginn druthb: Highest karma: "rangi" (726), "oleonard" (618), and "jcamins" (489). Lowest karma: "<!" (-114), "failed" (-99), and "-" (-70). You (druthb) are ranked 13 out of 2359. 20:25 druthb @karma 20:24 wizzyrea to have the ones with no name at the top 20:24 wizzyrea it's confusing *to me* 20:24 wizzyrea I think either date sorting or by number would be best 20:24 oleonard Yes 20:24 wizzyrea right, but you *can* change the sort on the fly, right? 20:24 cait I am not sure what's good sorting here 20:23 cait for numbers you might have the best reports somewhere in the middle/end/begining 20:23 oleonard wizzyrea: Perhaps cait's suggestion of newest first would help that? 20:23 * magnuse wanders off again 20:23 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded. 20:23 magnuse @later tell eythian: kia ora! any news on the funding for the images from multiple sources thing? just curious... :-) 20:23 cait I mean if you change the name it hsows up first if you want it 20:23 cait I think something good about name sorting is that you can influence it 20:23 cait hm 20:23 wizzyrea mean 20:23 wizzyrea I can, I think - unless a librarian is *very* disciplined, name sorting is pretty arbitrary as report names are user generated. Sorting them by number (which is the method by which I personally refer to them) lets you infer the age of the report, and gives you a sequence by which to find that number. Numbers are concrete references, names are easily misunderstood, often very similar, and generally confusing when trying to convey which 20:21 magnuse eythian: about? 20:21 cait at the moment libraries seem to miss that they have to set the max reports shown to a higher number or page 20:21 cait but maybe it will get better with the tabs/groups 20:20 cait I think newest first would be nice... 20:19 oleonard wizzyrea: Can you make a case for number sorting? 20:19 oleonard Saved reports? That uses the old plugin so you'll have to update it to DataTables. I disagree that it should sort by number though. 20:17 wizzyrea for that particular table 20:17 wizzyrea ok with you if I change that? 20:17 oleonard Yes you can change the default sort 20:17 wizzyrea hi paul_p 20:17 wizzyrea I think it should sort by number 20:17 wizzyrea question about sorting and tables - datatables can have their default sort changed right? I'm looking at thes aved reports interface, and it sorts by name as default 20:16 oleonard Yes 20:16 wizzyrea oleonard: about? 20:15 wahanui hmmm... git bz is so much fun :) or http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration or just about anything except intuitive or AMAZING and WONDERFUL 20:15 wizzyrea git bz? 20:15 wizzyrea slef++ for work on git-bz 20:14 wizzyrea but... just look at how far it has come. 20:14 wizzyrea and of course it can always be improved :) 20:14 druthb oh. okies. :) 20:14 cait translation manager stuff :) 20:14 wizzyrea I think it's fine to have a tool that works just for us 20:14 druthb wha'd I do, cait? 20:13 slef wizzyrea: but it's hardcoded to mail koha-patches so less useful elsewhere 20:13 wahanui okay, wizzyrea. 20:13 wizzyrea git bz is also git.koha-community.org/git-bz.git 20:13 druthb eh? 20:13 cait druthb++ :) 20:13 wizzyrea whoever dd it 20:12 wizzyrea that is really fantastic, thanks for your work on that. 20:11 * wizzyrea loves you guys so, so much. 20:09 * wizzyrea likes this 20:09 wahanui test bug is bug 6473 20:09 wizzyrea test bug? 20:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6473 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, ASSIGNED , Test bug for Git-bz 20:09 wizzyrea test bug is bug 6473 20:09 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot test bug 20:09 wizzyrea forget test bug 20:09 wizzyrea test bug is 6473 20:08 wizzyrea hmm 20:08 wizzyrea test bug? 20:07 wizzyrea that is awesome! 20:07 wizzyrea ! it has -m for MAIL 20:07 libsysguy jk no rush 20:07 * libsysguy crax the whip :p 20:07 gmcharlt sorry, not yet 20:06 libsysguy oh did gmcharlt get the wip repo working over the weekend? 20:06 wizzyrea ty :) 20:05 jcamins_away git.koha-community.org/git-bz.git 20:04 wizzyrea where is it living now? 20:04 wahanui i heard git bz was so much fun :) or http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration or just about anything except intuitive or AMAZING and WONDERFUL 20:04 wizzyrea git bz? 20:04 wizzyrea oh that reminds me I need to get the new git bz 19:58 druthb :) 19:57 rangi looks fine to me 19:56 druthb you betcha! :) Hope I did everything right. 19:56 rangi druthb: thanks for the pull requests 19:53 jcamins_away druthb: thanks! 19:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Bug for tracking changes to the about page 19:53 druthb jcamins_away: New patch on bug 7143, per your request. 19:53 druthb git-bz++ 19:50 rangi and everyone else :) 19:50 rangi thanks nancyk 19:49 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/kohacon13.2013-01-22-19.00.log.html 19:49 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/kohacon13.2013-01-22-19.00.txt 19:49 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/kohacon13.2013-01-22-19.00.html 19:49 huginn Meeting ended Tue Jan 22 19:47:05 2013 UTC. 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(v 0.1.4) 19:49 rangi #endmeeting 19:48 slef cait: or we could use a legbone to spear them on... 19:48 cait slef: I think I wouldn't like a stapler that close to me - thx 19:48 slef cait: maybe we should staple them on? 19:48 cait rangi? :) 19:48 nancyk #endmeeting 19:47 nancyk #action next KohaCon planning meeting Feb. 19 19:00 UTC 19:47 nengard i have a few 19:47 nengard yeah i'll do the same this year 19:46 jcamins_away That's why I bring my own hanger. 19:46 nengard ever ever 19:46 nengard those never work 19:46 nengard oh! the name stickers 19:46 cait slef: bcause they didn't stay there long enough ;) 19:46 cait nancyk: thx for the meeting and info :) 19:46 slef nengard: on the plus side, they were very good in that they didn't mark clothes! ;-) 19:46 nancyk #info thanks all, I have a to do list for sure 19:46 Brooke that would be after Valentine's Day, so should be good :) 19:46 rhcl will there be tables where we can leave stuff set up to demo? I'd like to show our OPAC (kiosk) software running. 19:45 slef nengard: the ones at kohacon12 19:45 rangi nancyk: works for me 19:45 nengard what stickers didn't stick? 19:45 rangi heh 19:45 slef ahem 19:45 nancyk #info Feb 19th same time? 19:45 slef and maybe get stickers that actually stick :-/ 19:45 slef I'd say just the ticket is enhanced. Printed on card instead of a sticker, maybe? ;) 19:44 rangi #topic next meeting time 19:44 nancyk #topic next meeting time 19:44 rangi for them 19:44 nengard it's just a way to get more $$ for the conference 19:44 rangi William: the conference is free, but some libraries can not make donations, so we could have sepcial non-free tickets 19:44 nengard actually there is nothing enhanced about it 19:44 nengard the idea being that some libraries can't donate, but they can pay to attend the conference 19:44 libsysguy n-band wifi 19:44 William What are "Enhanced Conference Tickets"? 19:44 nengard nancyk that's something to be sure of - lots of tables - lots and lots of tables 19:44 drojf with power outlets 19:43 nengard table seats 19:43 drojf hehe 19:43 nengard hehe 19:43 slef drojf: front-row seats? Oh wait, it's a tech conference... back-row seats? 19:43 rhcl we used to pay a fortune to send people to Sirsi conf 19:43 nengard +1 19:43 wahanui rumour has it that is in march 19:43 nancyk What's that? 19:43 libsysguy high_roller_package++ 19:43 rhcl and I'd (personally) fully support that type of thing to raise $$ 19:43 drojf enhanced… by a pricetag? :) 19:43 slef I think some "our policy is not to make donations" libraries suggested that to us. 19:42 rhcl yes, I'd guess 19:42 slef rhcl: would you be able to buy "Enhanced Conference Tickets"? 19:42 rangi #topic anything else? 19:42 jcamins_away :) 19:42 jcamins_away Okay, I'm done. 19:42 jcamins_away (or use Kickstarter, but in such a way that donations can also be taken directly) 19:42 nancyk #topic Anything else? 19:41 slef ok I'm done 19:41 jcamins_away nancyk: don't use Kickstarter, or something where the payment _must_ be done through them, because at least some of the donors won't be able to donate through a venue like that. 19:41 rangi #info hit up restaurants, print shops etc also 19:41 slef #info above are as at April 2012 or so 19:41 slef just checking for anything else 19:41 libsysguy slef you're right I just saw at that 19:41 slef #info Crowdrise looked liked 5%+$2.50; other options: Kickstarter, Profounder 19:40 slef #info 33needs looked like 8% 19:40 slef #info indiegogo was 3+(4 or 9)% + $25 + exchange rates 19:40 nancyk #topic Anything else? 19:40 slef libsysguy: they take an extra % 19:39 rangi its much better 19:39 slef cait: I feel it's to avoid the regulators 19:39 libsysguy oh kickstarter or indegogo 19:39 rangi if you can get sponsorship from outside the community too 19:39 cait how nice 19:39 slef cait: I think they serve the US from a Singapore-based subsidiary 19:39 libsysguy https://merchant.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/?cmd=_render-content&content_ID=merchant/donations 19:39 cait but better check 19:39 jcamins_away slef: yeah... there are two or three. 19:39 cait I think for in the US it might be fine 19:38 slef #info use paypal if you like, but try not to rely on it behaving 19:38 slef I think there were services we found but couldn't use because they only paid out to the US. 19:38 nancyk #info donation method needs work, I get it 19:38 rhcl if you just ask for donations, we won't be able to give (politics), but if you have a suggested donation, we might be able to request that 19:38 drojf paypal basically decides when you can get your money. or if you can at all 19:38 slef I think the US may have other options. Let me check our research 19:38 slef paypal is a complete loose cannon 19:38 slef no 19:37 Brooke paypal works, you just have to figure it out ahead of time 19:37 jcamins_away So if an easier option can be found, that'd be good. 19:37 drojf most of the time 19:37 libsysguy figures…paypal is a pita sometimes 19:37 jcamins_away Last year we had a Paypal button on the website, I think, but there were some problems with getting money out of it. 19:37 slef libsysguy: arrrrrgh paypal froze kohacon12 donations at an awful time 19:37 libsysguy what is the donation goal? 19:37 libsysguy I was wondering if paypal would work…I guess not 19:37 slef nancyk: email to the list, then if you need to raise more, direct mail based on the support list, then if you need to raise more, beg on IRC and in person. 19:36 cait I think there were problems with paypal last time 19:36 rangi nancyk: we beat the streets, knocked on doors, and looked outside of just the koha support companies for sponsorship 19:36 libsysguy donate button on the koha site? 19:36 cait magnuse++ 19:36 jcamins_away E-mail to the list with how much you need for what, and the simplest possible way to send money. 19:36 Brooke cause magnuse is quick like that 19:36 Brooke :) 19:36 rangi make it as simple as possible to give 19:36 Brooke sometimes you don't even ask, and Magnus and folks show up with money anyway 19:36 nancyk method of asking? 19:35 Brooke you ask, folks give 19:35 rangi #topic donations 19:35 rangi so imo the hackfest is great for helping people new to testing/translations/etc to come up to speed 19:35 nancyk how do we go about that? 19:35 nancyk #topic donations 19:35 cait the hackfest is normally less strictly planned than the conf 19:35 rangi nancyk: making new developers is far far far far far far far far far more important than the existing ones working on code 19:35 cait I think if there are people who want to learn about testing, there can be a session about that 19:34 cait :) 19:34 nancyk got that ;) 19:34 oleonard nancyk: Wireless internet is a big big requirement for conference *and* hackfest 19:34 drojf aaaw all those kittens we saved 19:33 rangi #link http://scoreboard.koha-community.org/ 19:33 rangi thats why i ran the scoreboard last year 19:33 cait :) 19:33 rangi i hope so 19:33 nancyk will people who want to be bug testers go? 19:32 cait but internet is a big requirement 19:32 cait can run lots of kohas on a laptop :) 19:32 drojf lol 19:32 drojf and tablets 19:32 wahanui jcamins_away: I forgot server 19:32 jcamins_away wahanui: forget server 19:32 drojf or two 19:32 rangi suffice too 19:32 rangi laptops suffix 19:32 cait everyone will bring a laptop :) 19:32 wahanui rumour has it a server is installed 19:32 jcamins_away nancyk: a server? 19:32 rangi don't need one 19:32 nancyk #info will they bring a server? 19:32 cait because can't really make decisions there, but can note down ideas 19:31 * druthb likes Brooke's definition better. 19:31 Brooke it's a whole lot of over the shoulder learning 19:31 cait or could 19:31 cait coming up with bigger ideas and how things shoudl be done 19:31 wahanui hackfest is awesome! Group motivated koha hacking is the best koha hacking :) 19:31 druthb wahanui: hackfest? 19:31 nengard rangi - oh yes! talk to each other - but the presentations aren't always necessary I feel 19:31 Brooke Beer is another good nerd fuel. 19:31 cait helping newbies who want to help out programming get started, show people how to test bugs, use bugzilla, git, the tools 19:31 jcamins_away Much more valuable. 19:31 rangi i can do that here :) 19:31 rangi imho the talking to each other is of far more value than the sitting quietly and working on code 19:31 Brooke hackfest is usually a bunch of nerds in a room with lappies. Magic crap happens if you feed them cheetos and chocolate. :) 19:31 nengard I'd love less talking and more coding :) 19:31 cait we had a bug squashing session in scotland, and some tutorials about how to do certain things like using git and writing unit tests in nz 19:30 rangi its a combination of presentations and coding 19:30 rangi #topic hackfest 19:30 nengard it's been a few things 19:30 nancyk what is it really? 19:30 nancyk #topic hackfest 19:30 drojf hehe 19:30 cait drojf: we could revive the *build a boat out of old books* plan 19:29 nengard #info history of koha/what is koha for the new newbies 19:29 drojf err. without the "take" 19:29 rangi next topic nancyk ? 19:29 cait and some history of koha is always good too 19:29 drojf i wish we had scholarships to take get me there ;) 19:29 cait maybe have another question and answers session? 19:29 rangi :) 19:29 nancyk Ok, send me your late, but good ideas 19:29 rangi there is a good story there too :) 19:29 Brooke I wish we had scholarships to prod folks to get there by taking the cost of travel out of the equation 19:28 rangi philipines converted all their public libraries to koha 19:28 * Brooke gets out the dead horse whip 19:28 cait rangi++ 19:28 rangi ill keep pestering them :) 19:28 rangi to talk about the 1112 branches moving/moved to koha 19:28 cait that would be cool 19:28 rangi im hoping to get someone from NEU to come 19:27 nancyk boy we have lots of those! 19:27 rangi #info international stories 19:27 Brooke Those are super important 19:27 William ++ 19:27 rangi oh yeah, overseas stories 19:27 Brooke cait++ 19:27 slef nengard++ 19:27 rangi those can be really really useful 19:27 cait maybe something like koha used in other countries? 19:27 rangi #info i like "What we did wrong" talks too 19:26 nancyk #info coolest OPACs 19:26 nancyk #info new features in acquisitions 19:25 nengard and then the tech talks weren't there to confuse, but to enhance 19:25 drojf yeah for lightning talks 19:24 nengard i think that last year was great, not to structured - not forcing everyone in to 30 or 45 min slots 19:24 rangi #info how about a slot for lightning talks? a cool tricks .. you have 7 mins to show you cool trick 19:24 nengard yeah super techie stuff is for the hackfest 19:24 rangi newbie tips are great, sometimes old hands learn new tricks that way too 19:23 cait I think some presentations that mix in a bit of tech are ok, but not too technical 19:23 rangi #info panel discussions are sometimes good too 19:23 nancyk #info lost of new libraries, how about newbie tips? 19:23 rangi i think that works well usually? 19:22 rangi rhcl: we usually save tech stuff for the hackfest, we are pretty good about that 19:22 slef two peoples, divided by a common language... 19:22 nancyk #info I might be able to get something on virtualizing Koha 19:22 nengard right 19:22 slef ah! I guess you mean "filter/review presentations", not as in prepare them for projection on a screen! 19:22 nengard sorry I should have used the #info 19:22 rhcl we are going to send some librarians, so some "library topics" would be of more interest to them than dev or tech presentations exclusively 19:22 nengard :) 19:22 nengard hehe 19:22 rangi what she said :) 19:21 rangi #info librarians/libraries telling their stories 19:21 nengard Presentations on how libraries are using Koha are always cool 19:21 rangi rhcl: etsa .. gotta remember to apply for that BEFORE you take off or yoink! :) 19:20 rhcl disregard, just answered 19:20 rangi #topic what kind of presentations do we want? 19:20 rhcl Maybe someone could fill in just a couple of brief bullets on the duties? For example, "International visitors help" would entail what, generally? 19:20 nancyk #topic What kinds of presentations do we want? 19:20 nengard I think Brooke wanted to help druthb with bugging ;) 19:20 rangi cool 19:19 nancyk #action I'll flesh out the vol page on the wiki 19:19 nancyk nice idea 19:18 rangi and put their name under the roles they could do 19:18 rangi perhaps people could sign up here 19:18 * cait is qam.... gets to see all the bugs before RM does :P 19:18 nancyk #action brooke and nicole screen presentations 19:18 rangi #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon13_Volunteers#Roles_to_Fill 19:18 * jcamins_away is the RM, making him an expert on bugs. :P 19:17 * druthb lives in the right place to bug Brooke. 19:17 * Brooke lives in the right place to bug people. 19:17 Brooke yeah me too 19:17 nengard and help with the screening 19:16 nengard I can put up the proposal form again 19:16 * druthb is willing to help with international hospitality--making sure non-US people have the info they need on visa logistics,etc. 19:16 nancyk We need people to handle logistics 19:16 nancyk We need people to help with registration, at the site 19:16 rangi #topic Who can do what? 19:15 cait not sure I can attend yet, but if there is something that can be done online ... 19:15 nancyk We need people to work on screening presentations 19:14 rangi so that brings us on to who can do what? 19:13 nengard_lunch #info Nicole C. Engard, ByWater Solutions 19:13 nancyk So now I need a committee to create the structure and get the ball rolling 19:12 rangi #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category:KohaCon13 19:12 rangi #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon13_Summary 19:12 nancyk http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category:KohaCon13 19:12 cait nancyk++ 19:12 nancyk information is posted on the wiki 19:12 rangi #info dates are set october 16-22 2013 at the Atlantis reno check the wiki for more info 19:11 rhcl #info rhcl=Greg Lawson Rolling Hills Consolidated Library 19:11 nancyk I sent an email that the venue is the Atlantis, the dates are Oct 16-22. 19:10 rangi yep thats the current topic 19:09 nancyk The first item on the agenda is what needs to be done, next 19:09 rangi i wont move on to the next topic until you say you are done :) 19:09 cait take your time :) 19:08 nancyk I am a slooow typer so please be patient 19:08 nancyk #info we are still waiting on the contract, but the days are set. 19:08 rangi so we are at what needs to be done .. do you want to talk about that nancyk ? 19:08 slef #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon13_planning_meeting,_22_January_2013 19:07 rangi im going off the agenda here http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon13_planning_meeting,_22_January_2013 19:07 cait hm looks like only the one starting the meeting can do it? 19:07 nancyk #topic how about an update? 19:06 cait :) 19:06 nancyk #topic What needs to be done? 19:06 nancyk #topic 19:06 * slef RTFMs 19:06 slef rangi: hrm... I thought it let nancyk use #topic and so on 19:06 rangi over to you nancyk 19:06 rangi #topic what needs to be done? 19:05 nancyk ok 19:05 nancyk #addchair nancyk 19:05 rangi i dont think that does anything slef 19:05 rangi #addchair nancyk 19:05 slef drojf: ErrNoVerb 19:05 drojf i accidentally into a meeting :D 19:05 drojf #info Mirko Tietgen 19:05 nancyk shall we start? 19:05 slef rangi: do you need to #addchair nancyk? 19:04 rangi that everybody? 19:04 melia #info Melia Meggs, ByWater Solutions 19:04 druthb #info D Ruth Bavousett, ByWater Solutions, TM 3.12 19:04 slef #info MJ Ray, software.coop, England, kohacon12 co-host 19:03 jcamins_away #info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services, RM 3.12 19:03 nancyk #chair nancyk 19:03 libsysguy #info Elliott Davis, ByWater Solutions, QAA 3.12, Houston Tx 19:03 cait #info Katrin Fischer 19:03 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries 19:03 rangi #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst IT, RMaint 3.8.x and 3.10.x 19:02 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 19:02 rangi #topic introductions 19:02 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'kohacon13' 19:02 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 19:02 huginn Meeting started Tue Jan 22 19:00:32 2013 UTC. The chair is rangi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:02 rangi #startmeeting Kohacon13 19:02 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn. 19:02 huginn rangi: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' 19:02 wahanui if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me 19:02 rangi #startmeeting 18:58 William OK Thanks 18:58 rangi William: hasn't started yet :) 18:58 William #info william 18:57 Brooke o/ 18:52 chris_n not that it matters much... except the mice are not as messy 18:52 * chris_n notes that keeping one's house cat feed with domestic mice seems to offset the cat's appetite for birds 18:50 gerundio bye all, cya tomorrow 18:50 chris_n good luck 18:50 chris_n np 18:50 chris_n I have plans to move the creator foo from pdf to the browser using css.... just not time to do it 18:50 gerundio got to go now 18:49 gerundio chris_n++ 18:49 gerundio thanks a lot, I'll do that 18:49 chris_n then work back from there 18:49 gerundio ok 18:49 chris_n maybe dump the contents of the label object once it is created and see if anything is missing/messed up 18:48 chris_n http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=labels/label-create-pdf.pl;h=3d7ff1fc9c89cd779beae863a6c9110feaacb604;hb=HEAD 18:48 chris_n in the label-create-pdf.pl script 18:48 chris_n gerundio: something appears to be amiss with the record in such a way that the fields are not retrieved properly when creating the label, so I'd say to start 18:48 alohabot Hi mib_2g34hj, Welcome to #koha. 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If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 18:48 druthb Ah! 18:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Bug for tracking changes to the about page 18:48 wahanui bug 7143 is probably ready for an easy signoff 18:48 jcamins_away Bug 7143. 18:48 wahanui 9418 is the usual git port. 18:48 druthb 9418? 18:47 huginn jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5968 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , News display on opac-main.pl is particular about browser language settings 18:47 huginn jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7750 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nengard, NEW , Release notes for stable releases should be in Master 18:47 huginn jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8404 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Show additional information about borrowers on routing list 18:47 huginn jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6735 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, NEW , Note about range isn't showing range 18:47 huginn jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2705 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Patron import should warn about invalid characters 18:47 jcamins_away @query about 18:47 jcamins_away Stick it on the about.tt bug. 18:47 druthb jcamins_away: Do you want me to create a *bug* for the update to the about.tt, or just send you the patch? 18:46 chris_n we create in house records many times without any issues 18:46 gerundio ok, just give me some hints on where I can debug the issue 18:46 chris_n gerundio: well, it looks like a broken record, but I'm not sure what is broken without throwing a lot of time at it 18:44 gerundio the 2nd record is a new one created using the new record cataloguing feature 18:43 gerundio 1st and 3rd records are from the import we've done using the MARC import tool 18:43 gerundio 1st item barcode: 0037307 (works), 2nd: 0076742 (doesn't work) and 3rd: 0032358 (works) 18:41 gerundio https://www.sugarsync.com/pf/D355860_7327347_279773 18:41 gerundio chris_n, here the resulting PDF from batch with 3 records 18:36 gerundio the record is the one I pasted before as the one that failed: https://opac.fct.unl.pt/cgi-bin/koha/opac-MARCdetail.pl?biblionumber=60855 18:36 jenkins_koha nengard: link to search indexes chart 18:36 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.8.x build #14: SUCCESS in 19 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.8.x/14/ 18:35 gerundio chris_n, 2.5 x 5.1 cm if I'm not mistaken 18:35 jenkins_koha Starting build #14 for job Koha_Docs_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 18:35 jenkins_koha nengard: link to search indexes chart 18:35 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.10.x build #6: STILL FAILING in 1 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.10.x/6/ 18:35 jenkins_koha nengard: link to search indexes chart 18:35 chris_n it looks like you've run amuck of the scaling problem 18:35 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #262: STILL FAILING in 1 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/262/ 18:35 jenkins_koha Starting build #6 for job Koha_Docs_3.10.x (previous build: STILL FAILING) 18:35 jenkins_koha Starting build #262 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 8 mo 29 days ago) 18:35 chris_n and what is the size of your label? 18:34 chris_n gerundio: which record is that from? 18:33 gerundio chris_n, here: http://i.imgur.com/XiH6hEs.png 18:32 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Diacritics gone wrong http://t.co/6hBBANnh" 18:31 rangi Yep 18:31 jcamins_away Thanks. 18:31 druthb Okie. I'll need to send that *same* patch into master, too, Mr. jcamins_away RM-ly dude. 18:30 rangi Thanks 18:30 rangi Sure is 18:30 druthb rangi: Working on your pull requests now. Okay to include a patch to the About/Translation page in there? 18:30 rangi Hehe 18:30 jcamins_away rangi: wait... you mean the degree doesn't come with a card that allows them to do that?!? 18:29 chris_n +1 18:29 rangi Economists somehow think they have a divine right to pontificate about stuff they know nothing about 18:29 chris_n gerundio: can you post a shot of a messed up label? 18:28 jcamins_away Our landlord's girlfriend was trying to socialize them enough to catch them and get them fixed. 18:28 rangi Best to just ignore him 18:28 rangi Who is a super troll 18:28 rangi Dudes a rich white economist 18:28 gerundio chris_n, thanks for the time :) 18:27 jcamins_away In Astoria, where we lived in a small enough building that we could see the cats wandering around, there was one pet cat that went outside, and about two dozen strays. 18:27 rangi Stoats and possums are a bigger problem 18:27 chris_n gerundio: still looking 18:27 druthb Different part of the world. I didn't hardly see any stray cats in Mumbai, either. *tons* of stray dogs, but sekjal and I only spotted a few cats. 18:26 rangi Not really no 18:26 jcamins_away rangi: are stray cats not a problem in NZ? 18:26 rangi Home cats kill a huge number of birds 18:24 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ranginui: "#kohacon12 meeting on irc in 40 mins #kohails" 18:24 druthb My big one...if you try to take him outside, you *will* need first-aid. He's almost 10 kg, and has all his claws. When he gets upset, he's quite a handful. 18:23 gerundio druthb, I ear you... I've heard a lot of reports on that behaviour from the felines 18:21 jcamins_away Myshkin likes the idea of going outside. 18:21 druthb My two indoor cats are so terrified of the outside that it's not an issue. 18:21 gerundio chris_n, any breakthrough regarding those records? 18:21 jcamins_away I would think that the house cats would not make a significant difference. 18:21 gerundio what's the probability for a stray cat to eat a bird VS a home cat of doing it? 18:20 gerundio call me crazy, but lets say ppl don't get a replacement cat like he's saying 18:20 jcamins_away :P 18:20 jcamins_away We're both very allergic to feathers. 18:20 * jcamins_away would, if it weren't for the fact that the battle would get feathers everywhere. 18:20 jcamins_away gerundio: hehe. 18:20 gerundio jcamins_away, are you giving tweety to your sylvester? 18:19 jcamins_away We should ask rangi and wizzyrea why they're letting their cats out to eat birds. ;) 18:18 gerundio so people are feeding those birds to their cats? 18:18 * jcamins_away has an indoor cat. 18:18 jcamins_away Apparently. 18:18 gerundio home owned cats? 18:18 jcamins_away gerundio: the cats are eating the birds. 18:17 gerundio ?? 18:17 gerundio [off] what's the relation between the cats and the guys' idea to "save the nation's unique native birds" 18:16 chris_n jcamins_away: I'm sure we can depend on rangi and wizzyrea to put a stop to it 18:16 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Quote from today's #kohails demo: "I have gotten more info from you in the last 90 min than I have in years of working with other vendors"" 18:15 * chris_n looks 18:15 jcamins_away Wow. 18:15 gerundio chris_n, working: https://opac.fct.unl.pt/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=32210 not working: https://opac.fct.unl.pt/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=60855 18:15 chris_n <chris_n> [off] ouch... http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/nz-eradicate-pet-cats-purr-ish-thought-18281918 18:14 jcamins_away chris_n: I did not. There's a plot against cats in NZ?!? 18:14 chris_n we can see 18:14 gerundio does it help if I give you URLs in my OPAC for 1 record that works and 1 that doesn't? 18:13 chris_n jcamins_away rather 18:13 * chris_n wonders if jacamins_away noticed the plot against cats in nz? 18:12 chris_n ok 18:12 gerundio let me see if I can put an example somewhere for you to look at 18:12 chris_n any chance you can send along some of the "broken" records in marc format for me to look at? 18:12 chris_n strange indeed 18:12 gerundio yes 18:12 gerundio yeah, I've looked for any reference and didn't found any either 18:11 chris_n so its just locally created records which manifest the problem 18:11 gerundio but for the new catalogued items it doesn't 18:11 chris_n I'm not aware of any issues in 3.8.x 18:11 gerundio the weirdest part, as I've been told, is that the feature works as expected for imported records 18:10 gerundio 3.8.5 18:10 chris_n we're using the latest stable release without issues 18:10 chris_n what version of koha are you using? 18:10 chris_n strange 18:10 gerundio with no barcode other info on it 18:09 chris_n the bot is good at doing that 18:09 gerundio instead of a well defined barcode I get a blurry one 18:09 * gerundio has been caught me off guard by the bot 18:09 * chris_n tells wahanui to put a cap on it or a plug in it 18:08 chris_n what do you mean by "blurry PDF"? 18:08 wahanui no it's not. 18:08 gerundio that's right 18:08 chris_n gerundio: well, besides learning that I'm an expert, I also learned you are having label issues 18:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7973 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Allow for new type of LDAP authentication 18:08 wahanui gerundio: huh? 18:08 gerundio wahanui, look at bug 7973 18:07 gerundio hey chris_n, read up if you can 18:07 wahanui gerundio: bugger all, i dunno 18:07 gerundio wahanui, ?!? in that LDAP bug ticket? 18:06 wahanui gerundio are you moving principal_name to auth_by_dn_bind 18:06 chris_n heya gerundio 17:45 oleonard rambutan: It's a template authoring practice/guideline. 17:45 rambutan so is that a syspref or setting somewhere? 17:44 gerundio and someone pointed me to chris_n 17:44 gerundio I wasn't able to find any info on that subject 17:44 oleonard rambutan: We add that attribute to input fields which receive book or patron barcodes 17:43 gerundio and just a blurry PDF 17:43 gerundio I'm getting empty XML and CSV files when I export 17:43 rambutan oleonard et al: I have this note in my notes: " add autocomplete="off" to borrowernumbers and barcode forms". It's not clear to me now what I meant then. Can anybody decypher that? 17:43 gerundio I'm having troubles with label printing 17:42 gerundio not really 17:41 oleonard gerundio: I said what I said in case you were going to ask "Could you make it do this...?" :) 17:41 libsysguy pro 17:41 jcamins_away He's pretty expert. 17:40 jcamins_away chris_n is the closest you're going to find to an expert. 17:39 gerundio any idea who I might talk to regarding this feature? 17:39 wahanui i guess oleonard is not really here. He said so. He did! 17:39 gerundio ok oleonard 17:38 oleonard gerundio: chris_n did most of the original work, but as far as I know isn't continuing development of the feature. 17:34 gerundio chris_n, I've heard you're the person to talk to in terms of labels... did I heard correctly? :) 17:12 jcamins_away I have had zero problems with it. 17:12 jcamins_away I set defaults for 008 all the time. 17:07 chris_n [off] ouch... http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/nz-eradicate-pet-cats-purr-ish-thought-18281918 16:54 sturmtruppen find it, no need answer 16:52 sturmtruppen sorry, wrong idea... add a z3950 server... 16:51 sturmtruppen ok, how can i add a library? 16:41 sturmtruppen no idea? 16:35 sturmtruppen hi everyone. when i click on "Mark bibliographic framework test" i get "invalid authority types". I do nothing after Debian installation by packages 16:00 reiveune bye 15:56 SJeffery I am going to chalk this one up to "features of Koha that were (oddly) never developed" 15:55 kf SJeffery: the subfield you can do that for is @ because it is no subfield structure in the field 15:55 druthb In the MARC Framework Editor, it shows a subfield "@", which is the whole field...you could give it a default there, but see kf's note there. 15:55 SJeffery Well that is certainly odd:) 15:54 kf SJeffery: well you can, but you have to give a default for the whole field and the plugins may not play nicely 15:53 kf SJeffery: you can't 15:52 SJeffery So how do I edit the defaults for "fixed length data elements - general information"? 15:51 druthb Fields below 010 do not have subfields, in the MARC standard. 15:51 SJeffery Can anyone explain why in the frameworks editor there would be no subfields in the 008 field even in the default framework (though they appear in the cataloging module)? What is the solution, add them in manually to have them recognized? 15:49 drojf hi oleonard 15:48 oleonard Hi #koha 15:48 gerundio just not the standard definition for dev you have in mind I guess :) 15:46 gerundio so I test patches and create the packages 15:46 gerundio but installed with the dev option 15:46 gerundio drojf, dev as in a environment with the same version I currently have in production 15:45 gerundio I know, but the hints about a previous installation did the trick 15:45 drojf i thought you are talking about a koha dev version 15:45 drojf (16:30:11) gerundio: just finished some operations regarding the setup of the dev environment 15:45 kf gerundio: I didn't tell you memcache, all your own idea .) 15:44 gerundio kf++ 15:44 gerundio memcached from the previous installation :D 15:44 drojf what did you mean by dev then? 15:44 gerundio kf, your a saviour 15:42 gerundio drojf, not tar.gz from the master... got the one for koha-3.08.05 15:41 gerundio kf, it's a clean install 15:41 kf in hte system? 15:41 kf and there is none installed? 15:41 gerundio don't have any additional language set 15:41 kf gerundio: are you looking at 'not english'? 15:40 kf old translation file 15:40 kf could be broken templates 15:40 drojf did you get a tar.gz of master? maybe it's broken at the moment? 15:38 gerundio neither does google for that matter :D 15:37 drojf ok that is different. and i don't know about your error 15:37 gerundio I'm looking at the koha-conf.xml and all paths seem fine 15:37 gerundio I used a tar.gz not git 15:36 drojf gerundio: if you have set it up with git then you have to change some paths. because your koha should not be uin /usr/share/koha 15:35 drojf vfernandes: have you looked at koha-conf.xml? if it has a part about z39.50 i guess you are good to go 15:34 gerundio any idea what's the origin of this error? 15:33 vfernandes zebra is the last version 15:32 drojf 3.2 is really old so i have no idea. but my guess is that it does not make a difference how old koha is but what version of zebra you use 15:32 gerundio Template process failed: file error - /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/installer/auth.tt: not found at (...)/C4/Templates.pm line 127. 15:32 gerundio 1st access to the web installer and I get this error: 15:32 vfernandes works on 3.2 for example? 15:32 gerundio just finished some operations regarding the setup of the dev environment 15:31 drojf vfernandes: i don't understand your question 15:31 wahanui in which version is, like, it possible 15:31 vfernandes in which version? 15:30 drojf icu seems to work. which is not that useful without 880 of course :/ 15:29 kf vfernandes: no additional installation needed (I have tested it sometime ago, works nicely :) ) 15:28 drojf z39.50 server is done by zebra, so i think no 15:27 vfernandes but I have to install something? 15:26 drojf vfernandes: you have to edit koha-conf.xml, i think there are comments with explanations 15:24 vfernandes I want to "expose" my record via Z39.50... there is any wiki to do that? 15:23 vfernandes need help: configure Z39.50 for Koha? 15:09 magnuse and yes, emptying some 700$ø fields made that error go away 15:04 kf magnuse: ouch. 15:03 huginn drojf: I've exhausted my database of quotes 15:03 drojf @&!))(=?!§$ 14:47 magnuse and i wouldn't mind 700$ø if it wasn't for the fact that records that contains that field gives an ugly "utf8 "\xC3" does not map to Unicode at /usr/lib/perl/5.10/Encode.pm line 174." when you do a search that turns up one of them 14:46 drojf omg the sneezing starts again 14:43 drojf magnuse: you are probably right :D 14:42 magnuse drojf: it's all MARC's fault in my eyes ;-) 14:42 kf drojf: dom would make it really interesting because then you coudl split 880 and assign them to the proper indexes (author, title... ) 14:42 gerundio kf++ magnuse++ mtj++ drojf++ 14:42 drojf :( 14:42 drojf make it! make it now! 14:42 kf drojf: but I think there was no time to include it 14:42 kf drojf: I had hoped it would be part of the dom indexing 14:42 drojf kf: meh 14:41 drojf magnuse: isn't that an encoding problem and not marc's fault (this time)? 14:41 kf drojf: exactly as in that 14:41 gerundio if I use a clone DB from the production I'll be able to have a pre-production like environment, right? 14:41 drojf i don't remember doing that 14:41 magnuse kf: well, it seems koha (or probably zebra) does not like it... 14:41 drojf kf: what? as in, you have to add the index to zebra? 14:40 kf magnuse: inf act I think you can use some weird things there 14:40 magnuse drojf: no lol, just sob... 14:40 kf magnuse: it might be valid, check marc documentation :P 14:40 magnuse gerundio: sounds like an excellent idea ;-) 14:40 kf 880 is not indexed by default :( 14:40 drojf lol 14:40 drojf 700$ø ? 14:40 gerundio after this talk I'm thinking of setting up a proper dev installation to test patches and such 14:40 magnuse bibsys uses subfield 700$ø for something, and now i have <subfield code="�">trois mousquetaires</subfield> in my marc blobs... 14:39 gerundio btw, the only difference between the dev environment and the production one is the location of the files? 14:39 magnuse gah! #marcmustdie! 14:39 drojf do i have to reindex after adding 880 linking fields? 14:38 drojf works for me 14:37 kf gerundio: I have done it to test package related patches, it seems to work 14:37 kf ah, you were referring to your wobbly internet connection... never mind .) 14:37 drojf ? 14:37 kf he beat drojf to it 14:36 drojf grr 14:36 gerundio and magnuse for the saving :D 14:36 gerundio just not sure how the patch package building works 14:36 magnuse http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Building_Debian_Packages_-_The_Easy_Way 14:35 gerundio you did 14:35 kf hope I explained that right :) 14:35 kf gerundio: you apply the patch to a dev installation, you bilt no packages and deploy them to your production system 14:34 kf gerundio: I think what others do is building their own packages 14:34 mtj (… its one on my big peeves with koha currently) 14:34 kf gerundio: production environments are ot dev environments... supposed to run stable code 14:33 mtj gerundio, the short answer is … there isnt :/ 14:32 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Diacritics gone wrong http://t.co/Q51mNEnu #kohails" 14:31 gerundio so the next question that comes to mind is, what is the right way to apply a patch on a production environment? 14:30 gerundio which match the patches' paths 14:30 gerundio after unpacking the source tar.gz the directory structure is "all at the same level" so to speak 14:29 gerundio exactly 14:29 kf g 14:29 kf because the file paths will be wron 14:29 kf in opposite to dev 14:29 kf but I think you can't apply patches to an installation done as standard 14:29 gerundio there are 2 flavours of koha setups, right? 14:28 kf gerundio: not sure I am following you 14:27 gerundio so now I guess I can apply patches directly as stated in http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sign_off_on_patches, right? 14:27 gerundio and not the option for a development environment where the source package directory would be used 14:26 gerundio in order for it to be as similar as the production setup as possible I chose to install in /usr/share/koha with and /etc/koha 14:25 gerundio I finished installing a pre-production/development koha instance 14:24 gerundio can I do it on a production like installation? 14:24 gerundio guys, I'm trying to signoff a patch 14:20 gerundio vfernandes, are you around? 14:14 kf druthb: thx 14:12 druthb vkm3: Not currently, no...it's either on for everyone, or off for everyone. 14:11 vkm3 i.e only perticular category can place purchase sugession 14:10 vkm3 is it possible to restrict purchase sugession users category wise? 14:09 druthb kf: Got your permissions error cleared up. 14:07 nengard thanks 14:06 * druthb pokes wahanui with her pointy stick 14:06 wahanui the message_queue is good for reporting 14:06 druthb the message_queue. 14:04 nengard hey all, anyone know what table the log of notices sent to patrons is kept in (the Notices tab on the patron's record shows these) 13:41 vkm3 ok, one more thing my hold limit is always picking limit from system preference setup not from circulation previleges 13:37 jcamins_away You'll have to contact your computer center. 13:36 vkm3 so should i contact to our computer center or i can enable firwall from koha server 13:31 jcamins_away Sorry- I wish I had better news for you. 13:31 jcamins_away Okay, I use all of those regularly and they work, so it's not a problem with the servers. 13:31 vkm3 columbia, smithsonian and LOC 13:31 jcamins_away There's nothing you can do from Koha to address either of those issues. 13:30 jcamins_away Or those ports. 13:30 jcamins_away So there are two possibilities: 1) your Internet connection, and 2) there is a firewall blocking that port. 13:30 vkm3 even searching in LOC only it gives same result, nothing found and connection time out 13:30 jcamins_away Which three boxes are they? 13:29 vkm3 i am checking all three boxes for three z39 server and feeding nanotechnology in tile only 13:27 jcamins_away Z39.50 cannot handle that. 13:26 vkm3 you may be right, our internet is having so many public IP which always changes during the browsing 13:26 jcamins_away It could also be that your firewall is not allowing the connection to port 7090. 13:25 jcamins_away vkm3: based on how many times you've been disconnected in the last few minutes, the most likely problem is that your internet connection is not stable enough for Z39.50. 13:25 jcamins_away Something else? 13:25 jcamins_away LOC? 13:25 jcamins_away I don't need to know what port you are using. What boxes are you checking when searching Z39.50? 13:24 vkm3 loc host is z3950.loc.gov and port is 7090, mine port for staff access is 8080 13:20 jcamins_away Somewhere else? 13:20 jcamins_away LOC? 13:20 jcamins_away What _hosts_ are you searching? 13:20 jcamins_away Okay. 13:20 vkm3 it always never fetch for data 13:19 vkm3 means data is available on loc but why it does not fething 13:19 vkm3 it says no data found in LOC etc 13:19 jcamins_away vkm3: I know that, and but what does that have to do with Z39.50? 13:17 vkm2 i am using 80 for opac and 8080 for staff 13:17 jcamins_away vkm1: when you say "Z39.50" does not work, what does that mean? 13:16 jcamins_away drojf: that is correct. word-phrase-utf.chr is not used by ICU. 13:16 jcamins_away That has nothing to do with Z39.50. 13:16 jcamins_away You just told me the port numbers you are using for your OPAC and staff client. 13:16 drojf is word-phrase-utf.chr completely unneccessary/ unneeded with ICU? or do i have to turn all the things in there into some magic words-icu.xml format? 13:16 jcamins_away I don't know what that means. 13:15 vkm1 i am using host 80 for opac and 8080 for staff, but z3950 is not fetching any result 13:15 jcamins_away What Z39.50 hosts are you using? 13:14 jcamins_away What Z39.50 hosts are you using? 13:13 vkm 80 for opac and 8080 for staff 13:13 jcamins_away What hosts are you using? 13:13 vkm it does not search documents always says, nothing found and connection time out 13:12 jcamins_away vkm: what isn't working? 13:12 vkm Z39.50 is not working 3.8.8, i am using over the intranet so pls let me know the problem or need any additional setting 13:11 drojf ok, thanks 13:11 kf there he is 13:11 kf ah 13:11 kf i think jcamins_away did some tests 13:11 drojf "is it used at all?" is supposed to be a question 13:11 jcamins_away I do not believe it has any impact. 13:11 drojf how is the "icu_chain locale" used? is it used at all. i think it cannot be empty, but apart from that? 13:10 drojf lol 13:10 kf hm with less typos 13:10 kf sounds like a ogod iea 13:08 drojf i'd like to resurrect it 13:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4888 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, salva, Patch doesn't apply , pre-set of field indicators value 13:08 drojf i would probably look at bug 4888 again 13:08 kf you could go on and fix someof the old bugs if you get bored ;) 13:07 drojf i don't really think i'd have time for that today but just in case i get bored with paid work… ;) 13:06 kf slef slef slef *summon* 13:06 kf are all the old old bugs there? 13:06 kf hm not sure 13:06 drojf when are the old bugs coming? 13:06 kf there once will be drinkable gluten free beer 13:05 drojf i miss beer :( 13:05 drojf booze usually is ;) 13:04 kf drojf: as long as its gluten free... 12:59 drojf i think a wise man once said "to alcohol, the cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems" 12:58 drojf or was that alcohol? :D 12:57 drojf oh. that might be the solution to all my problems 12:55 kf drojf: maybe you should have your own google group 12:50 vfernandes OMG i have almost 30K commits... 12:49 vfernandes 3.10 fully translated to portuguese :D 12:47 jcamins_away Hehe. 12:46 drojf i think i should enable ICU. i wish we had a google group to teach me how 12:45 jcamins_away drojf: both distracting and contagious! 12:44 drojf so i had sneezing from one side and laughing from the other :D 12:44 drojf some people started to laugh 12:44 drojf or he left 12:44 drojf it stopped 12:44 drojf lol 12:39 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @Tredok: "Ouah ! Cette annonce de migration sous #Kohails de 1 112 bib Turques est impressionnante ! Quelle pub ! ^^" 12:38 magnuse or contagious... 12:34 kf drojf: distracting? :) 12:02 drojf ugh. somebody in the library keeps sneezing and sneezing 12:01 drojf hi gerundio 12:01 gerundio hey drojf 11:58 kf :) 11:58 drojf hi kf :) 11:58 kf hi drojf 11:57 drojf hi #koha 11:48 kf :) 11:48 vfernandes right in time to the release of 3.10 new subversion 11:47 kf yay! 11:47 vfernandes it's today that I will finish the 3.10 translations to portuguese :D 99% 11:47 kf hi vfernandes 11:45 vfernandes good morning all :) 09:18 kf govind: see link :) 09:18 wahanui well, packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 09:18 kf packages? 09:09 govind how to install koha on ubuntu 12.04 09:08 govind hello 08:55 mib_n3b4bq any help ? what is to be check 08:52 mib_n3b4bq full indexing is working with -r option 08:51 mib_n3b4bq with manual and also with cron 08:51 mib_n3b4bq zebra reindexing is not working 08:50 mib_n3b4bq installed centos 6.2-32 bits and koha 3.8 and zebra 2.0 08:49 mib_n3b4bq need some help about zebra reindexing 08:48 mib_n3b4bq hii 08:48 alohabot Hi mib_n3b4bq, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 07:41 wahanui hello, alex_a 07:41 alex_a bonjour 07:35 magnuse looks like paul_p was having a good time at a conference yesterday? :-) 07:34 reiveune hi everybody 07:34 magnuse hiya cait and reiveune et al 07:29 reiveune hello 07:22 cait morning #koha 06:42 * magnuse waves 04:44 mtj jcamins++ 04:44 mtj nice!, i'll take a proper look in a bit... 04:42 * jcamins_away goes to bed. 04:42 jcamins_away mtj: (or anyone else) BTW, if you're curious: http://git.cpbibliography.com/?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/cachetie 04:36 jcamins_away I'm down to just one complaint: http://paste.koha-community.org/363 04:34 jcamins_away I see. 04:34 jcamins_away Oh! 04:34 jcamins_away This is weird. perlcritic is complaining that I don't unpack @_ first, and I do. 04:01 jcamins_away NYTProf under Plack does not like git installs. 04:01 jcamins_away Hm. 03:59 rangi heh 03:59 eythian heh 03:59 jcamins_away Add one second to your sleep statements, and everything works beautifully. 03:53 jcamins_away all the tests go to hell. 03:52 jcamins_away If you are depending on your code to take at least one second to run and then use a faster cache... 03:52 mtj rangi, yeah - i just read them :) 03:52 jcamins_away I figured out the problem. 03:52 jcamins_away Oh, for crying out loud! 03:50 rangi mtj: you saw the perceptions write up eh? 03:49 mtj perfect, thanks chris 03:49 wizzyrea hot diggity. 03:49 wizzyrea wait no one left bywater last year? 03:48 rangi http://www.librarytechnology.org/ils-turnover-reverse.pl?Year=2013 <-- its pretty much realtime 03:48 rangi that one? 03:48 rangi http://www.librarytechnology.org/ils-turnover-reverse.pl?Year=2012 03:48 rangi the turnover yep 03:47 mtj has anyone spotted the 2012 'churn' stats on libwebcats? 03:44 eythian go well with truffles 03:43 wizzyrea brains are awesome 03:43 eythian http://i.imgur.com/opNnoOx.gif <-- creepy 03:35 jcamins_away Really. 03:35 jcamins_away It should work. 03:35 jcamins_away Hm. 03:25 jcamins_away I only had to go through five files until I found where it checked expiration. 03:24 jcamins_away According to the code. 03:24 jcamins_away Okay, expiration *should* work. 03:23 cjh hahaha 03:23 eythian http://doc.perl6.org/type/Mu <-- the most undefined value in perl 6, in fact :) 03:23 eythian jcamins_away: mu is undefined. 03:22 jcamins_away I think that's scalar value, pointer value, [no idea], [perl?], and hash value. 03:22 eythian http://cpansearch.perl.org/src/NWCLARK/perl-5.8.8/hv.c 03:22 cjh eythian: where are you looking at it though? 03:21 jcamins_away Because 'sv' 'pv' 'mu' 'pl' and 'hv' make oh so much sense. 03:21 eythian cjh: all you need is hv.c 03:21 jcamins_away My favorite is the way they decided not to have any comprehensible variable names. 03:21 cjh the perl source is still downloading for me :( 03:21 jcamins_away Understandably. 03:20 jcamins_away lol 03:20 eythian I'm OK with that. 03:20 eythian I don't think I've had to do that before. 03:20 jcamins_away It's painful. 03:20 * jcamins_away is having his first look into xs code. 03:20 eythian Perl hashs are an array pointing to linked list, according to the source code. 03:19 jcamins_away In that case, Cache::FastMmap is not using a hash. 03:19 jcamins_away Hm. 03:19 cjh I was guessing it would be a hash-based offset into an array, possibly with variable hash length or something else more fun. 03:18 eythian they might use trees internally, but trees aren't ideal except in not so common cases. 03:17 cjh if you take the hash of the key and sort them, the order is not necessarily the same as the order you would get by sorting the keys. 03:17 eythian For collision resolution? 03:16 jcamins_away They don't use b-tree heaps? 03:15 eythian they're in the heap in the sense that heap is used for memory storage in general 03:15 eythian uhm 03:15 jcamins_away It may be there's a better term for that. 03:14 jcamins_away They're sorted into a heap. 03:14 jcamins_away eythian: sure they are. 03:14 eythian Their sort order isn't useful for anything except themselves. 03:14 eythian I don't think I'd call them sorted. 03:13 jcamins_away That's what makes them useful. 03:13 jcamins_away hashes are sorted by definition. 03:12 mtj 'Since Perl 5.8.1 the ordering can be different even between different runs of Perl for security reasons ' 03:11 eythian just not an order useful for you 03:11 eythian but they are still ordered 03:10 mtj 'The keys of a hash are returned in an apparently random order.' -> http://perldoc.perl.org/functions/keys.html 03:10 eythian hashes aren't sorted in a predictable fashion 03:10 cjh afaik the keys are not guranteed to come out in any kind of order. 03:09 mtj i always thought hashes were not sorted - by default, in perl 03:04 jcamins_away It's a hash. 03:04 jcamins_away Of course it does. 03:03 mtj hmm, weird behaviour - the doco doesnt mention Cache::FastMmap doing any sorting 02:55 jcamins_away Naturally. 02:55 jcamins_away memcached does not have this flaw. 02:54 jcamins_away It's inefficient because it resorts the cache twice. 02:54 jcamins_away Okay, so, problem with fastmmap. 02:54 jcamins_away purge, rather. 02:50 jcamins_away expunge is wrong. 02:49 jcamins_away I see. 02:48 mtj np, bork away... 02:48 mtj oooh, thats a new one 02:48 jcamins_away Hold on while I mess with NYTProf. 02:48 jcamins_away fastmmap. 02:47 mtj :p 02:47 jcamins_away I'll check. 02:47 jcamins_away I don't remember, actually. 02:47 jcamins_away Got it. 02:47 mtj aah ok, using memcached - or other? 02:47 jcamins_away How do I use NYTProf with Plack... 02:46 wahanui sysprefs are "System Preferences", found on my Koha admin homepage 02:46 jcamins_away Sysprefs. 02:46 mtj haay, whats specifically being cached? 02:46 * jcamins_away will work on that. 02:46 jcamins_away It's too inefficient, though. 02:45 jcamins_away Now it has new caching. 02:45 jcamins_away There we go. 02:44 jcamins_away Wait, no, just kidding. 02:44 jcamins_away Thanks! 02:44 mtj ^^ hi jcamins_away, alohabot fixed :) 02:43 jcamins_away ^^ new syspref caching. 02:43 jcamins_away [off] http://kohadev.cpbibliography.com/ 02:37 wizzyrea thanks :) 02:37 wizzyrea ^.^ 02:37 wizzyrea see this is why I ask. 02:37 wizzyrea ohhhhh I forgot about that 02:37 rangi or run koha-update-schema if you use packages 02:37 wizzyrea the omnibus that my patch is going to end up being is less trivial. 02:36 rangi just hit the update url manually, it wont trigger unless you mess with the version numbers, and you dont want to do that 02:36 wizzyrea well, actually 02:36 wizzyrea :) 02:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9382 trivial, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Bold necessary permissions for staff client access. 02:36 MrAgent075 wizzyrea: Bug 9382? Completely Trivial.. xD 02:35 jcamins_away Unless you are talking about as RMaint. 02:35 wizzyrea hm ok I did that but my update never went. I'll try it again (it was late in the day when I last tried it) 02:35 rangi and never touch kohaversion.pl 02:34 rangi just make it XXX 02:34 rangi you never change numbers 02:34 wizzyrea but I just don't know where to change version numbers and where not to 02:34 rangi yep 02:34 wizzyrea I have the bit in updatedatabase 02:34 wizzyrea I think I have it mostly sorted 02:33 wizzyrea for the time being, what is the "best" or "most correct" way to do database updates? 02:33 alohabot Hi mib_vczt1x, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 02:30 wizzyrea gelato shakes! 02:30 wizzyrea Ooooo 02:30 eythian wizzyrea: the Kapai place on Cuba does good gelato shakes. I recommend them. 02:28 wizzyrea (I did that, by the way) 02:28 cjh heh 02:28 wizzyrea oh that makes me laugh 02:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9382 trivial, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Bold necessary permissions for staff client access. 02:28 wizzyrea " 02:28 wizzyrea do stuff. 02:28 wizzyrea To test: 02:28 wizzyrea "Bug 9382 - updating permission labels 02:27 wizzyrea hurried commit messages are so funny 02:26 huginn jcamins_away: The operation succeeded. 02:26 jcamins_away @later tell mtj Could you please have alohabot tell mib_ers that it, wahanui, and huginn are bots? 02:25 * MrAgent075 agrees. 02:25 * wizzyrea thinks 24 is the most perfectly perfect day she can possibly imagine 02:24 * wizzyrea wants to go outside 02:24 eythian 24 is a bit much really 02:24 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 24.0°C (3:00 PM NZDT on January 22, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Rising). 02:24 eythian @wunder nzwn 02:23 alohabot Hi mib_vczt1x, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 02:15 jcamins_away Oh, fixed it. 02:14 jcamins_away I'm not sure why. 02:14 jcamins_away I have a test failing. 02:13 wizzyrea haha geez 02:13 cjh heh 02:13 MrAgent075 Still haven't got that e-mail from Spydus yet... ;D 02:12 wizzyrea welcome *back* 02:11 cjh MrAgent075: welcome! 02:11 MrAgent075 Hello xD 02:10 * wizzyrea waves 02:10 ibeardslee MrAgent075: just commenting on http://www.librarytechnology.org/perceptions2012.pl, comparing your school's system against Koha 02:09 ibeardslee speak of the devil 02:07 wizzyrea spyyyydussssss 02:07 rangi :) 02:07 wizzyrea ^.^ 02:07 ibeardslee I also note that the system that is at Agent75's school is lower than Koha in the 'Product Satisfaction: All responces' 02:06 rangi specially the comments 02:06 rangi http://www.librarytechnology.org/survey-2012-search.pl interesting too 02:04 rangi Libraries that have implemented Koha independently reflect higher satisfaction than those that rely on commercial support arrangements. One might suppose that this reflects their enthusiasm toward open source and that they are essentially evaluating themselves rather than an external organization. ByWater Solutions continues to reap high praise from their support customers. Libraries using the versions of Koha supplied and supported by LibLime reflected 02:02 rangi yup 02:02 ibeardslee win 02:00 rangi the fork is consistently at or close to the bottom 01:58 rangi koha -- independent tops satisfaction for academic libraries 01:58 rangi some good gems in there 01:58 rangi http://www.librarytechnology.org/perceptions2012.pl 01:44 jcamins_away I have never had problems with that, but other people have sworn it's impossible. 01:42 kohum i wonder if/how i can configure ICU 01:42 kohum after koha-create i will load my legacy koha 3.0 and remove all biblios. 01:29 wahanui then that is all you need 01:29 wizzyrea then that. 01:29 wizzyrea but first... reading history export/report 01:28 * wizzyrea mutters about "shoulda fixed that ages and ages ago" 01:28 * wizzyrea goes a bit insane looking at the wording around some of those things 01:26 * wizzyrea is going to go with permissions until someone says otherwise 01:25 rangi permissions 01:25 wizzyrea which do we like best 01:25 wizzyrea the button says "set flags" 01:25 wizzyrea on the page it is "set privileges" 01:25 wizzyrea in the menu, it's "set permssions" 01:25 wizzyrea dinner and a question - regarding the user flags - I have a mostly done patch to fix up the wording in and around that 01:24 kohum it is time for dinner. 01:23 jcamins_away And now it is time for dinner. 01:23 jcamins_away Either you are using views, in which case you are not hitting the external interface, no matter what the port is, or you aren't, in which case you are hitting the external interface no matter what if you don't have different domains, or you have different domains anyway in which case the port doesn't matter. 01:21 jcamins_away That reasoning does not make sense. 01:21 kohum i had a sub 1MB pipe with folks sharing it. 01:21 wizzyrea please 01:21 kohum if my staff use myhost.domain:8080 from within, the traffic won't go out to the internet router to the internethost.domain:80 01:21 wizzyrea explain your reasoning 01:19 jcamins_away ^^ exactly 01:19 eythian kohum: I don't think that makes sense 01:18 jcamins_away kohum: huh? 01:15 kohum but using 8080 might be worth it because the internet pipe is small. 01:14 rangi yep 01:14 wizzyrea man do we need to prune the wiki. 01:13 wizzyrea yes use that 01:13 rangi that one 01:13 wahanui i heard packages was at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 01:13 rangi packages? 01:13 wahanui debian packages are at debian.koha-community.org 01:13 wizzyrea debian packages? 01:13 kohum INTRASUFFIX="-intra" must be the differentiator. 01:13 kohum http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.6_on_Debian_Squeeze#Old_Stable_Version is what i'm walking through 01:10 rangi hlt (the original Koha) has never run on anything other than 80 and 443 in the 12ish years they have been using it :) 01:10 rangi ports based is easier than name based virtualhosting if you don't know what you are doing :) 01:09 rangi just lots of people dont have control of their dns 01:09 kohum well i'll be 01:09 rangi since koha 1.0 01:09 rangi you have always been able to 01:08 kohum can packages run both opac and staff client on one port these days?(i.e. 80) remember i was on 3.0 00:49 rangi because 3.8.8 and 3.10.1 both came out december 22, and packages update december 30th 00:48 rangi yep 00:43 kohum looks like http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/dists/ has both squeeze and old stable point to Dec30th things. 00:40 * wizzyrea waves 00:37 kohum stable/squeeze it is. FYI i am wajasu, 00:37 rangi stable/squeeze gets you the latest 3.10.x release 00:36 rangi oldstable will get you the latest 3.8.x release 00:36 kohum for now. 00:36 kohum so "squeeze" will get 3.10.1, right? or should i use "oldstable" 00:35 rangi its easy enough, you can just do apt-get upgrade when 3.10.2 comes out :) 00:35 kohum dang. i got to finish this tonight. 00:34 rangi 3.10.2 will be out in a couple of days 00:34 rangi thats right 00:33 kohum to get 3.10.1 when i put the url in sources.list should i just put "squeeze" and not "oldstable"