Time Nick Message
23:43 jcamins I know these make sense to someone, but that person is not me right now.
23:42 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @CatalystAcademy: "Well done to @coreyfromaotea! 200th Developer with a commit in @kohails #flossac"
23:42 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ranginui: "Using Piwik for website traffic analysis with… http://t.co/MoSwazi4 #kohails"
23:42 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @wizzyrea: "#kohails now has 200 developers! Congrats @coreyfromaotea"
23:42 * jcamins contemplates his P&L and balance sheet statements.
23:42 wizzyrea \o/
23:42 cjh \o/
23:42 rangi when datadoctors patch is pushed
23:42 rangi it'll be 201 pretty soon too
23:41 cait good night all!
23:41 cait :)
23:41 kathryn yayyy!
23:40 wizzyrea rangi++ ibeardslee++ too, for... stuff
23:38 cait MrAgent075: congratulations! :)
23:38 cait ah, was trying autocomplete with a lower case mr :)
23:38 rangi it was the new developers bit i was showing
23:38 wizzyrea jcamins++ aqualaptop++ MrAgent075++ cait++
23:37 jcamins Yeah, yeah, yeah... lots of patches passed QA.
23:37 cjh aqualaptop++ #199
23:37 wizzyrea MrAgent075:
23:37 wizzyrea he's in channel :)
23:37 cait cjh, wizzyrea: congratulations to corey from me :)
23:37 rangi http://dashboard.koha-community.org/
23:35 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9179' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0dbaf41574d98cd5b982ca9eb0511a1c9e0005c6> / Add Corey Fuimaono to history <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e6ea3db830c03356ac43bf43f67ad024b6ee5185> / Bug 9179 - Incorrect capitalization in serials-collection.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a3cb99841ea5
23:35 jenkins_koha Starting build #1012 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
23:33 cjh jcamins: thanks!
23:32 jcamins Bah. Forgot to note that Corey was a new developer on the bug.
23:32 jcamins Proof!
23:29 * cjh is camping out git.kc
23:28 * wizzyrea is waiting to see proof
23:28 cait congratulations :)
23:28 cait heh
23:26 aqualaptop bam, i'm in the cool club now :D
23:26 jcamins But the point is, the hook worked. :)
23:26 cait ah right
23:26 jcamins I used git commit --no-verify.
23:25 jcamins It was a patch to the history file.
23:25 jcamins Nope.
23:25 cait did I forget?
23:25 cait oh?
23:24 jcamins My git hook just informed me there weren't enough sign off lines.
23:23 jcamins Nice!
23:21 * jcamins kills a tree.
23:20 rangi a ton better than before
23:19 rangi its a good improvement, if not perfect
23:19 rangi *nod*
23:18 jcamins Eww. The discount/tax rate are pretty hideous without those patches.
23:04 jcamins That time of year when you are presented with a 20-page document and told "if you fill out this, you'll be able to fill out your fifty page tax return."
23:04 jcamins_away Oh, tax time.
22:51 rangi heh
22:44 jcamins_away rangi: http://memegenerator.net/instance/33524681
22:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8401 critical, P3, ---, koha-bugs, Passed QA , Search term deleted from system preference content
22:16 cait bug 8401
22:16 rangi sweet :)
22:16 cait ... there you go
22:07 datadoctor see y'all! have a good evening / morning!
22:07 rangi sleep well
22:07 magnuse and so to bed
22:05 magnuse w00t!!!
22:05 rangi 201
22:05 magnuse making it 200+ total?!?
22:05 rangi yep
22:04 wizzyrea that's what 3 new developers this week :)
22:03 magnuse rangi++ for signing off on it
22:03 cait congrats datadoctor
22:02 magnuse datadoctor++ for the first patch!
22:02 huginn 04Bug 8401: critical, P3, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , Search term deleted from system preference content
22:02 rangi datadoctor: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8401#c11
21:56 rangi it works perfectly
21:54 rangi no worries testing it now and will tidy it up and sign off
21:52 datadoctor Thanks rangi!
21:52 datadoctor That's me Fred P!
21:52 datadoctor Thanks! This is the first patch that I have made, and I think I neglected to configure my git properly.
21:51 datadoctor oh yeah
21:49 * rangi will do it and apologise later :)
21:48 rangi would you like me to tidy up your patch as i sign it off ... (you forgot to set you username and email in git config)
21:48 rangi datadoctor: you are Fred P right?
21:46 rangi ohh cool a patch from datadoctor
21:20 cait oleonard++ #while he is not looking :)
21:15 mtj cya owen
21:15 oleonard Okay, world problems solved, time to go home. See you all later.
21:15 jcamins_away mtj: I thought it was 1.4.2...
21:15 mtj pssh, so typical of 'the rock' to think the latest version of jquery was 1.6… :/
21:14 rangi yeah supporting IE6 is not something we should spend time on
21:13 jcamins_away (no, that wasn't a typo... I don't use IE6, I just recall the jQuery in the OPAC didn't work on IE6)
21:13 * oleonard is surprised by not particularly motivated by that statement
21:12 jcamins_away At least, not the jQuery in the 3.2 OPAC.
21:12 jcamins_away jQuery doesn't work with IE6.
21:11 rangi its irresponsible to allow ppl to use IE6 :)
21:11 mtj ummm, yep! :p
21:11 oleonard Seconded.
21:11 rangi i vote we just rip that out then :)
21:10 rangi IE6 ?
21:10 mtj http://git.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/lib/jquery/plugins/jquery.rating.js;h=f4a22d54cd76f93c6fc49e87dde9217a1752854d;hb=HEAD#l17
21:10 mtj hey, heres some good news… theres only 1 reference for $.browser in the ratings code, for IE6
21:03 oleonard http://jquery-howto.blogspot.com/2013/01/meme-jquery-version.html
20:56 mtj ah, thats an old commit from 2010 - ignore me :p
20:55 wizzyrea coool thanks
20:55 jcamins_away wizzyrea: I will when I can.
20:54 mtj the commits say ratings is only tested on jquery 1.4
20:54 wizzyrea jcamins: those two patches that are through qa - it's ok to push them whenever you are ready :)
20:53 mtj koha is on r41, latest is r46
20:53 oleonard It's just the kind of mess I get myself into 20 minutes before I leave for the day.
20:53 mtj http://code.google.com/p/jquery-star-rating-plugin/source/list
20:53 mtj ah, i am wrong - we are some minor releases behind on the ratings code
20:53 jcamins_away *plugin?
20:53 jcamins_away I don't suppose it was moved into a handy plugi?
20:52 jcamins_away :(
20:52 oleonard There goes my plan for a quick and easy upgrade to jQuery 1.9 :(
20:52 jcamins_away Seems like maybe removing .browser was a bit premature if everything depends on it.
20:52 jcamins_away oleonard: probably not?
20:51 oleonard Wow, is there a jquery plugin we use which *doesn't* use .browser?!
20:50 rangi so we'd have to fix it ourselves?
20:50 oleonard Yup
20:49 mtj bah, afaik we have the latest star-rating release -> http://www.fyneworks.com/jquery/star-rating
20:49 oleonard No
20:48 jcamins_away Didn't we just upgrade jQueryUI?
20:48 oleonard Heck, the version of jQueryUI we have uses it too! But at least we can upgrade that
20:47 jcamins_away At least, the documentation says that.
20:47 jcamins_away Looks like we can replace it with jQuery.support?
20:47 mtj hmm, i wonder if theres a newer star-ratings release, with a fix?
20:46 oleonard browser_sniffing--
20:46 rangi hmm can we code the star ratings in a way to not use that?
20:46 oleonard http://api.jquery.com/jQuery.browser/
20:46 wahanui it has been said that feature is only for 856u (under xslt) and any links in the biblio or item in normal view.. ill do the xslt for normac and unimarc too when i figure it out
20:46 jcamins_away What feature?
20:45 jcamins_away Oh no!
20:45 oleonard Ugh. jQuery 1.9 removes a long-deprecated feature used by the star-ratings plugin we have in the OPAC :(
20:43 rangi nope only 6 hours tho
20:42 Dyrcona Is it beer o'clock, yet?
20:40 jcamins_away See what useful things I learned from #koha? :)
20:39 jcamins_away aqualaptop: that's at one company in New Zealand, and maybe the UK. I know that pizza should be on the menu throughout the world on Fridays!
20:39 wizzyrea ty
20:39 wizzyrea cool
20:38 aqualaptop jcamins_away: at catalyst one would expect pizza on one thursday a month
20:38 jcamins_away aqualaptop: true, but on Thursdays one doesn't necessarily know to expect pizza.
20:37 oleonard Yes
20:37 wizzyrea oleonard: the branch you're referring to is ip-bootstrap-2012-09-17 right?
20:37 aqualaptop jcamins_away: pizza can be on everyday :D
20:37 jcamins_away ibeardslee: it's true. Until I started working on Koha, I did not know that pizza was on Fridays.
20:35 ibeardslee MrAgent075: the things one learns while working on koha.
20:34 jcamins_away oleonard: he's been hanging around me too much.
20:34 * oleonard didn't expect wahanui to know the price of coconut flour
20:32 jcamins_away I have rice flour.
20:32 MrAgent075 Didn't even know you could make flour out of coconut.
20:32 jcamins_away And that's why.
20:32 jcamins_away I don't have either.
20:32 wahanui Coconut Flour is REALLY expensive
20:32 MrAgent075 Coconut Flour?
20:32 jcamins_away Ah.
20:32 wizzyrea somewhat less than it calls for almond flour, and about 1/8c coconut flour
20:32 MrAgent075 jcamins_away: eah... xd
20:32 jcamins_away Since the ones with gluten have gluten, I gather you use wheat flour. :)
20:31 jcamins_away Yeah.
20:31 wizzyrea for the gluten free ones?
20:31 jcamins_away wizzyrea: what flour do you use?
20:31 jcamins_away MrAgent075: ah, hoping no one was counting how many you ate? :P
20:31 wizzyrea (and in some ways better)
20:31 jcamins_away The curried coconut cookie has spoken of, they must be summoned!
20:31 wizzyrea these guys are lucky I didn't bake the gluten free ones (though they are really no different)
20:31 * MrAgent075 can count. but he prefers to do something more useful than to see how many cookie one person takes.
20:30 cjh I was really suspicious about the curry, but they are very yummy.
20:30 jcamins_away Actually, I _definitely_ have to bake those.
20:30 jcamins_away I may have to bake those.
20:30 * cjh is pretty sure aqualaptop is lying
20:30 jcamins_away Nice!
20:30 MrAgent075 omnom...
20:30 aqualaptop wizzyrea: :(
20:30 * wizzyrea ignores aqua
20:30 cjh ^^ he has had like 5
20:30 aqualaptop yet I keep eating thm
20:30 aqualaptop jcamins_away: they are the "worst" cookies I've had in my life
20:29 cjh jcamins_away: indeed, curry + coconut + choc chips + cranberry
20:29 wizzyrea coconut curry oatmeal ones
20:29 wizzyrea I baked the koha cookie :)
20:29 wizzyrea haha yea
20:29 jcamins_away cjh: cookie did wizzyrea bake?
20:29 cjh ibeardslee: we feel your pain
20:29 ibeardslee wizzyrea: ^^ see stupid spacebar
20:29 cjh there are other ways of doing it, we just quite liked the dropdown menu as it seemed 'obvious'
20:28 ibeardslee and that regardless peoplewill cry over any changes
20:28 cjh generally things in the top are either buttons or dropdowns, it feels a bit odd to have non-clickable text (like the username) or have it have hidden function when you click, hence the dropdown.
20:28 oleonard ...and that you have to click that menu to find the hidden log out link ;)
20:28 jcamins_away If that's true, then clearly I don't pay much attention.
20:28 wizzyrea and that is teach users that things just change sometimes.
20:28 wizzyrea mm yea, that's fair I guess - however - facebook has done one thing for us that is nice
20:28 jcamins_away Facebook hid their logout link?
20:28 jcamins_away It did?
20:27 oleonard It will be an adjustment for existing users. I remember when Facebook hid their log out link it felt like they were doing it to be sneaky
20:26 cjh oleonard: fwiw: we were really adamant on having both the username and current branch displayed, we didnt want to remove information.
20:26 wizzyrea lol, i've actually always wanted that. :)
20:26 wizzyrea it would be nice to be able to jump to your own user account.
20:25 wizzyrea I like that
20:25 wahanui Which one is, like, the "native" files
20:25 jcamins_away Which one?
20:25 wizzyrea oh yeaaaaa
20:25 cjh wizzyrea++ baking!
20:25 oleonard Having a menu would let us put in a "my account" link which I would find useful
20:25 cjh the koha cookie flavour is awesome!
20:22 wizzyrea so we may change that bit.
20:22 wizzyrea which was contentious here, as that looks like an email address
20:22 wizzyrea yea, we did user @ branch
20:22 oleonard Looking again and seeing that you have both the username and branch showing I am more okay with it
20:22 jcamins_away wizzyrea: wasn't that a film?
20:21 wizzyrea "Help" actually
20:21 wizzyrea but we changed it to the word "help"
20:20 wizzyrea the ? was simply off the screen when I did the screencast
20:20 wizzyrea so it made sense to us to put it under that menu
20:20 wizzyrea are user-y things
20:20 wizzyrea setting library, and logging out
20:19 wizzyrea you do user-y things there
20:19 wizzyrea it's a menu, and it does stuff
20:19 wizzyrea in ubuntu, the username in the upper right hand corner
20:19 wizzyrea here's the logic, if it helps
20:18 oleonard Yeah I didn't get a close look but I think my preference is not to collapse any of that stuff
20:18 wizzyrea mostly on the right hand side
20:17 wizzyrea that's basically default bootstrap stuff - but we did move some things around up there
20:17 wizzyrea yea, we hadn't gotten into custom styling the bar
20:16 oleonard Yes, although mine looks a little different from what I saw in the video
20:16 wizzyrea ?
20:16 wizzyrea did you do work on the top nav bar, oleonard/
20:15 oleonard wizzyrea: Are there any bugs you'd like me to look at?
20:03 wizzyrea :) it's all good
20:02 oleonard wizzyrea: I apologize for not sharing that link before. I didn't mean to make anyone duplicate work
20:02 wizzyrea yea corey worked really hard
20:02 cait wizzyrea: btw - all the accessibility work on the staff client is pretty cool! :)
20:00 wizzyrea yep, I will take a look at what you did here in a minute
19:56 oleonard Anyway, picking a different toolbar set would let you guys get something done without repeating what I did
19:55 wizzyrea ahhh yea no it won't will it
19:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6261 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Consolidate patron toolbar include files
19:55 oleonard It won't rebase cleanly because of Bug 6261 though
19:54 oleonard I'm not sure how far that branch is from master. I has been a few weeks I guess.
19:53 wizzyrea ah cool
19:52 * oleonard has that in the Bootstrap branch he worked on
19:52 wizzyrea on the toolbar.
19:52 wizzyrea yea - we were thinking of doing some of the circ buttons today, if we had time
19:52 oleonard This is your last academy day wizzyrea?
19:52 cait oleonard: not sure - in and out right now, still doing housechores - wizzyrea will know
19:51 wizzyrea and if you can get that, screen readers can usually get at it
19:51 wizzyrea at least, keyboard accessibility is vastly improved
19:50 oleonard That's good to know
19:50 wizzyrea it's quite good actually
19:50 wizzyrea it does not at all
19:50 wizzyrea no!
19:50 oleonard wizzyrea: What I'm most interested in finding out is whether Bootstrap has the same accessibility problems YUI did
19:50 wizzyrea (and tables)
19:50 wizzyrea so we just built a custom bootstrap that left out forms - which limits what we can do somewhat
19:49 oleonard Yeah, and <span class="label">
19:49 wizzyrea like their legend definition makes ours go all sorts of insane.
19:49 oleonard jcamins_away: You can build a custom build of the CSS/JS and include coverage on only certain aspects of the UI
19:49 wizzyrea but some of it just makes koha go a bit mad.
19:49 wizzyrea on form fields
19:49 wizzyrea some of it I quite like, for example, the prepend and appending of tips
19:48 oleonard Bootstrap is CSS and javascript
19:48 jcamins_away I thought Bootstrap was CSS?
19:48 oleonard I think I have that in one of the commit messages on that branch
19:48 oleonard wizzyrea: Yeah that's one of the things we need to agree on, just how much of the css to bring in
19:47 wizzyrea we found that we couldn't/shouldn't includethe css for tables and forms due to collateral damage
19:47 wizzyrea yea just now
19:46 oleonard Did you get that msg?
19:46 oleonard So wizzyrea jcamins_away showed me the YouTube video of some Bootstrap work you guys did and I realized I had a work in progress I should have pointed you to
19:45 oleonard cait: I see 9388, 9397, 9398, and 9399. Are there others I should be looking at?
19:45 * wizzyrea waves
19:45 kathryn cait: haha!
19:44 cait beets
19:44 jcamins_away Beets.
19:44 jcamins_away Oh.
19:44 bag morning
19:44 jcamins_away Pink?
19:44 cait oleonard: I will try to look at the patches later, only have to deal with my 'pink' kitchen right now
19:44 cait oleonard: I think we can be a bit less strict with the academy kids - but it would be great if you could take a look too
19:41 kathryn hey cait
19:41 cait morning kathryn :)
19:41 cait mtj: and a nice evening too :)
19:40 mtj oleonard, afaik yes
19:38 oleonard Hi wizzyrea
19:38 mtj … and what a nice morning it is :)
19:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9399 trivial, P5 - low, ---, agent.075, Signed Off , Accessibility - Search box options aren't buttons
19:36 oleonard Was Bug 9399 signed off by someone on the same team as the patch author?
19:36 kathryn and eve-ning
19:36 kathryn morn-ing
19:09 cait datadoctor++
19:08 datadoctor Search system preferences with no worries! :)
19:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8401 critical, P3, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Search term deleted from system preference content
19:06 datadoctor Patch posted for bug 8401 javascript code deletes search terms from global system preferences custom css and js.
19:05 libsysguy actually I'd like to see us use something like this: http://www.atlassian.com/software/crucible/overview instead of comments on with to fix in BZ :D
19:03 libsysguy it seems like code traceability would be much easier
19:03 gmcharlt libsysguy: quite well
19:02 libsysguy does it work?
19:02 jcamins_away libsysguy: that's how Evergreen does it.
19:01 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Koha Web Stats Using Google Analytics http://t.co/6AtzJ7k1"
19:01 libsysguy so each dev has a wip fork
19:00 libsysguy actually (I may be off base here) but it would make for an interesting change if all devs forked master and then patches could be branches…so to RM would handle merges of passed branches into master
18:58 cait thx :)
18:57 gmcharlt cait: http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=dev:git#working_repos
18:57 jcamins_away cait: anyone can get push access to it, but only for branches that are named something like user/jcamins/whatever.
18:56 cait jcamins_away: how does a working repo work? :)
18:45 libsysguy gmcharlt++
18:44 jcamins_away gmcharlt++
18:44 jcamins_away Yay!
18:44 gmcharlt I'll set up one tonight
18:44 gmcharlt jcamins_away: just a lack of tuits
18:43 libsysguy I think that could go a long way in de-duplicating work
18:43 jcamins_away gmcharlt: do you remember why we didn't set up a working repo?
18:43 jcamins_away I don't remember why we got derailed from setting one up.
18:42 libsysguy stash for FOSS projects ;)
18:42 libsysguy agreed
18:42 jcamins_away libsysguy: what we need is a working repo.
17:51 kf bye all :)
17:50 oleonard Seems like a bait and switch
17:50 oleonard Wow I sure don't like finding a github project and finding the download link leads to a PayPal page
17:48 huginn libsysguy: The operation succeeded.
17:48 libsysguy @later tell rangi could I get a wip branch on git.koha-community.org and possibly push access to the migration toolbox?
17:46 libsysguy probably not
17:46 libsysguy is rangi in yet?
17:11 gaetan_B bye !
17:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6261 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Consolidate patron toolbar include files
17:06 oleonard I wanted to get Bug 6261 in before I worked more on it
17:05 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded.
17:05 jcamins @later tell wizzyrea oleonard has a branch you should look at: ip-bootstrap-2012-09-17 at http://gitorious.org/koha-dev/koha-dev
17:05 oleonard It hasn't been rebased in a while (but more recently than 2012-09-17 I think)
17:05 oleonard It's ip-bootstrap-2012-09-17 at http://gitorious.org/koha-dev/koha-dev
17:03 * oleonard isn't having the best week
17:03 oleonard I don't know why I didn't think that branch was available when I talked to wizzyrea yesterday :(
17:03 jcamins I don't think they got to the buttons at all.
17:02 oleonard Here's as far as I got: http://screencast.com/t/4dy4wudFt7X
17:01 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Koha Web Stats Using Google Analytics http://t.co/AkJMMKW5 #kohails"
16:59 kf I don't know how to write a commit message that will not sound weird in release notes
16:59 kf hm
16:58 * jcamins sighs.
16:58 jcamins Yes, Julius.
16:58 jcamins Oh.
16:56 kf yep i know :)
16:56 jcamins kf: their accessibility expert.
16:55 oleonard Oh yeah, it has been my plan kf
16:55 kf Julius?
16:55 jcamins Yeah, they did initial testing yesterday, and today they will be having Julian test the new interface.
16:55 kf oleonard: but at least you seem to think it's a good idea? :)
16:55 kf oleonard: oh ouch
16:54 oleonard I asked wizzyrea if they could evaluate the accessibility of Bootstrap but didn't realize they were going to dive right in
16:54 * oleonard smacks forehead
16:54 jcamins Hmmm... yes.
16:53 oleonard I guess I could have pointed out the branch I have where I did all that work already :|
16:53 jcamins It's Bootstrap not jQuery, but the two are somewhat related.
16:53 oleonard that's good news
16:53 kf I think anything is more accessible than yui....
16:53 jcamins Yeah.
16:52 oleonard I take it they evaluated it and found it more accessible than YUI jcamins?
16:52 kf but it looks nice
16:52 kf havent read the logs yet from last night
16:52 jcamins That navigation is entirely with the keyboard.
16:52 jcamins https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay89BdbBfZ0
16:51 * oleonard sleeps
16:51 jcamins I'm finding it.
16:51 jcamins I guess you wouldn't have, since it was shared at about 11 o'clock last night.
16:51 oleonard No
16:51 jcamins oleonard: oh, you didn't see the video?
16:51 oleonard Is Agent075 working on that jcamins ?
16:51 jcamins Since you're in there. :P
16:50 * oleonard puts his fingers in his ears and sings 'The Star Spangled Banner'
16:50 jcamins kf: why don't you change some of the menus to use Bootstrap so Agent075 doesn't have to do it all.
16:50 jcamins Hey, speaking of upgrading jQuery...
16:47 kf out of the scope of my bug :P
16:47 kf no!
16:47 kf lol
16:47 oleonard kf: Can you upgrade jQuery while you're at it? ;)
16:46 kf oleonard: see. I am being not good at all!
16:46 kf done
16:45 oleonard Show/Don't show the format, audience, and material type icons in XSLT MARC21 results and detail pages in the staff client
16:44 kf with and without the OPAC part
16:43 kf we could make it: Show/Don't show the format.... maybe?
16:43 kf If ON, displays the format, audience, and material type icons in XSLT MARC21 results and detail pages.
16:43 kf I put this in sysprefs.sql:
16:43 kf I could change it
16:42 kf maybe one of the mistakes made by translating to the new pref editor?
16:42 oleonard Yeah that's not just misleading, it's wrong.
16:42 kf the description in syspref.sql would be ok, it's the .pref that is so different
16:41 kf DisplayOPACiconsXSLT
16:41 oleonard Which pref?
16:41 kf but it's actually turning off and on the format/audience/type line in the xslt?
16:41 kf On pages displayed with XSLT stylesheets on the OPAC show/don't show icons for itemtype and authorized values.
16:40 kf that's weird. the pref description for the existing one is... misleading
16:40 kf oh
16:38 reiveune bye
16:31 mib_7ppale thanks a los for you help
16:27 kf oleonard: I hope not :)
16:27 kf druthb++ :)
16:26 druthb_mobile Yes. Working on the 3.8.x string freeze update now. Did 3.10 last night late.
16:26 oleonard Hopefully not by cab!
16:26 jcamins Heading back to Lawrence?
16:26 jcamins Nice!
16:26 druthb_mobile ..tcohen++
16:25 druthb_mobile How awesomely cool....I'm talking to a server in Argentina, while sitting in the cab of a *moving* vehicle in rural eastern Pennsylvania, USA.
16:23 * oleonard isn't saying :P
16:23 kf :)
16:23 kf would you failone that did?
16:22 oleonard kf: I wouldn't fail a patch that didn't include that.
16:21 kf so I guess we want that too for the intranet
16:21 kf i noticed you can turn the display off in the opac (materialtype icons, format and the like)
16:21 kf so I am not doing all that well
16:21 kf but I am implementing a new syspref...
16:21 kf i know what you mean.... trying to get this thing finished without doing too much
16:21 kf oleonard: :)
16:19 oleonard You're doing well kf. Usually I don't resist the urge to fix the other thing that I see when fixing the thing and then I get in over my head.
16:19 kf yeah, I figured me neither :)
16:18 jcamins kf: eventually I would like to, but I don't have a tuit. :)
16:18 kf sorry :)
16:18 * oleonard obediently ignores kf
16:17 mib_7ppale Open suse is installed in spanish
16:15 kf I will just keep it the way it is I guess
16:15 kf ah hm, ignore that
16:15 kf /intranet-tmpl/prog/img/famfamfam/silk... is there a plan to move the image directories above the prog too?
16:14 datadoctor We had a problem with the indexing, and it generated large shadow files for indexing, and a huge temp file. How is your disk analysis looking mib_7ppale?
16:14 kf would be
16:14 kf /opac-tmpl/lib/famfamfam/silk/book_link.png
16:13 kf I noted that we have a different file structure for the images in opac and intranet
16:13 datadoctor Indexing will take longer once you reactivate the crons, but that's not a huge performance hit.
16:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9403 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Material type icons not showing for XSLT default view in intranet
16:13 kf bug 9403
16:13 kf I am working on a patch for 9403
16:12 kf hi :)
16:12 mib_7ppale if the crons aren´t active they can produce performance problems
16:12 oleonard Yes
16:12 kf oleonard: around?
16:11 gmcharlt mysqltuner might be useful to run as well
16:11 jcamins mib_7ppale: so you should check that the tables in your Koha database are InnoDB and not MyISAM.
16:10 mib_7ppale I verify the crons aren´t active
16:10 jcamins datadoctor: ouch. Painful!
16:10 datadoctor The only other thing I can think of is table locking. Sometimes InnoDB data can convert to MyISAM when transferring, leading to table-level locking, which can slow modifications.
16:10 jcamins I am out of ideas, again.
16:09 jcamins Hm. So it's probably not a Zebra issue.
16:09 mib_7ppale No
16:08 datadoctor Good question jcamins.
16:07 jcamins Do you have any rebuild_zebra or zebraidx processes running right now?
16:07 jcamins Hrm. That shouldn't be a problem.
16:07 mib_7ppale each 5 minutes
16:06 jcamins mib_7ppale: how frequently do you have them running?
16:06 mib_7ppale the cronjos are active
16:05 vfernandes no problem slef... it's only to inform you that the bug is already with a patch... be free to sign it off :)
16:04 jcamins datadoctor: oh, there's a thought.
16:04 datadoctor mib_7ppale: We get problems when our zebra indexing stumbles on a malformed record - are your cronjobs active or inactive?
16:03 mib_7ppale before run process koha is ok
16:03 mib_7ppale thanks
16:03 jcamins *server is overloaded
16:03 slef vfernandes: sorry got to go out the door like right now. :( I'll get it as soon as I can
16:03 slef They're not easy things to explain how to do though. Sorry.
16:02 jcamins The two options I can think of are: 1) there is a problem with the server hardware it's on, such as the server is overload, or 2) there's something strange about Suse's configuration.
16:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9418 trivial, P5 - low, ---, vfernandes, Needs Signoff , Some corrections and additions to about.tt
16:02 slef I'd try inspect the apache server-status and the pl processes with ps, maybe try running the pl processes in the perl debugger and/or test the underlying queries by using koha's perl API
16:02 vfernandes slef check bug 9418...
16:01 mib_7ppale unfortunately
16:01 jcamins I don't have any more advice, sorry.
16:00 mib_7ppale we have ony suse linux linux enterprise 11
16:00 jcamins Or whichever distro you are using for production?
15:59 jcamins So you see this on both Debian and Suse?
15:59 mib_7ppale we are do to borrows in the trail controlled with 10 users
15:58 jcamins The only advice I can give you is "test it on Debian" to see if it's a configuration issue.
15:58 slef sure but it's probably something to do with what they're doing, rather than the versions in use
15:57 mib_7ppale the load is by .pl process
15:57 jcamins I think it's more likely to be something about the way Perl is configured by Suse, or the scheduler that has been selected, or...
15:57 mib_7ppale we have perl v5.12.1
15:56 slef there's a dependency checker... but I doubt this causes your high load
15:56 jcamins Perl 5.10+
15:56 mib_7ppale some version in particular for hoka 3.8.6?
15:55 jcamins Perl, and the various libraries listed as dependencies.
15:54 mib_7ppale .pl files
15:54 mib_7ppale what requisites are necesary to run perl?
15:53 mib_7ppale yes
15:51 jcamins mib_7ppale: I don't know why you would be seeing performance issues.
15:50 jcamins (this was on a server roughtly 1/4 the size of mib_7ppale's, shared between four catalogs)
15:50 mib_7ppale we climbed to 4 cores
15:50 jcamins (counting images, CSS, JS)
15:50 mib_7ppale we cimbed to 4 cores
15:49 jcamins It was filling ~50 requests/second according to the logs when it kicked the bucket.
15:48 jcamins Blocking the spider at the firewall.
15:48 jcamins slef: well, last week.
15:48 slef jcamins: froggy colo?
15:48 jcamins mib_7ppale: I know. But that still seems high.
15:48 jcamins slef: ditto.
15:48 mib_7ppale of linux
15:48 slef jcamins: we've had one catalogue getting spidered by some froggy colo this week. Had to block it at the firewall :-/
15:48 mib_7ppale This figure is in terms of load
15:47 mib_7ppale 9.82 is not in minutes
15:47 jcamins Do you have the VM limited to just 1 or 2 cores?
15:47 mib_7ppale these are peaks cpu
15:46 mib_7ppale however, processes are released rapidly
15:46 mib_7ppale this operation is in borrows
15:45 jcamins I have never seen a load that high when my server wasn't getting DOSed by a Chinese search engine.
15:45 wahanui hmmm... circulation is really much faster with that... But also display of biblios with many items......
15:45 mib_7ppale circulation
15:44 mib_7ppale they are in loans
15:44 jcamins mib_7ppale: down to the _second_?
15:43 druthb_mobile Hi.:)
15:43 mib_7ppale yes sir 10 simultaneous requests
15:43 jcamins Hi, druthb!
15:43 jcamins I guess maybe if you sent 10 exactly simultaneous requests.
15:42 jcamins maximep: I guess, but that seems like an awfully high load.
15:42 druthb_mobile Hi
15:41 maximep 10 users searching when a rebuild is running could make the load go up to 9.82 for a minute, no ?
15:38 jcamins All I can think of is that it has something to do with Suse.
15:38 jcamins It seems like this is not a problem with Koha per se.
15:34 mib_7ppale this consume is only with .pl process
15:27 jcamins Definitely not.
15:26 jcamins No!
15:26 mib_7ppale is this normal?
15:26 jcamins o.O
15:26 mib_7ppale load average: 9.82, 1.65, 0.76
15:25 mib_7ppale we were trailing with 10 users
15:23 mib_7ppale de CPU
15:23 mib_7ppale cuando realizo una busqueda por el OPAC llega hasta 70%
15:23 jcamins Creo que hay una lista en idioma español. Si, lo encontré: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/koha-es/
15:22 vfernandes mib_7ppale tenho tido um problema parecido num dos servidores e ainda não descobri o porquê
15:21 mib_7ppale y el consumo de memoria ya es normal
15:21 mib_7ppale El servidor ya no esta realizando swapping
15:21 vfernandes mib_7ppale percebes português?
15:20 jcamins Si 16GB no es suficiente, creo que hay un problema con el servidor. Tal vez porque es Suse.
15:19 mib_7ppale si
15:19 jcamins "un altavoz español"... ¿no es as�
15:19 mib_7ppale ya aumentamos a 16 GB de RAM
15:19 mib_7ppale si señor
15:19 jcamins Oh, estuviste aquà ayer. Esto necesita un altavoz español. : (
15:18 mib_7ppale incluyendo el proceso opac-search.pl
15:18 mib_7ppale el problema es que cualquier proceso .pl esta consumiendo demasiado uso de cpu
15:14 jcamins (si es que es bastante simple, tal vez te pueda ayudar sin saber español :)
15:13 jcamins ¿Qué problema tiene?
15:10 jcamins Yo no creo que alguien que está aquà ahora habla español. (que era de Google Translate)
15:07 mib_7ppale Por favor, Hay alguien que hable Español?
15:05 sturmtruppen no internet for sure.
15:04 jcamins If you're not making it available to the Internet, I might just leave it, then.
15:04 sturmtruppen it's school biblio, only one pc
15:04 * jcamins has an idea: we could provide a Zeroconf profile for OPAC and Intranet!
15:03 jcamins For production you'll of course need to set up DNS.
15:03 jcamins Good!
15:03 sturmtruppen thanks.
15:03 sturmtruppen it works!
15:03 jcamins Then restart Apache.
15:02 sturmtruppen ok, i'll try now
15:02 jcamins So you can adjust the intranet section to be <VirtualHost *:8080> and add "Listen 8080" to /etc/apache2/ports.conf.
15:01 jcamins And I disliked it so much that I have gone out of my way to forget everything about it. ;)
15:01 jcamins I don't use Apache anymore.
15:01 jcamins That's what I meant.
15:01 sturmtruppen none <Listen> section, just 2 <VirtualHost *:80>
15:00 jcamins It sounds to me like you do not.
14:59 jcamins Do you have DNS set up?
14:59 sturmtruppen grep -i ServerName * result koha and kohaadmin
14:59 jcamins There are going to be two <Listen> sections
14:59 jcamins (you'll need sudo)
14:59 jcamins Take a look at /etc/apache2/sites-available/[instancename]
14:58 sturmtruppen how?
14:58 jcamins If you don't have DNS configured yet, you'll need to adjust the Apache site file.
14:58 sturmtruppen koha:8080 kohaadmin:8080 127.0.1.1:8080 - same result
14:58 kf you can do things like opac. and intra. there
14:58 jcamins sturmtruppen: Debian packages use DNS by default.
14:58 kf hm nt sure about the default for packages
14:57 sturmtruppen same result
14:57 kf most of the time it's your opac url plus port :8080
14:57 wahanui debian packages are at debian.koha-community.org
14:57 sturmtruppen debian packages
14:57 kf how did you install?
14:57 kf sturmtruppen: you are probably looking at the opac url .)
14:56 sturmtruppen i cannot reach the installer. I obtain "System Maintenance The koha online catalog is offline..."
14:55 mib_7ppale buenos DÃas
14:54 sturmtruppen i have a problem with the installation on Debian with the packages
14:54 sturmtruppen hi koha
14:48 kf I will spare your sanity :)
14:47 JesseM oh no :)
14:47 kf heh
14:47 jcamins kf: sneaky, getting Jesse to volunteer like that!
14:46 JesseM Hi kf
14:46 kf RMs are excused:)
14:46 jcamins Not me, sorry.
14:46 kf hi JesseM
14:46 kf ...
14:46 kf ok... now who volunteers to finish the sql scripts for german library statistics for me?
14:46 * kf was in the mood
14:46 kf jcamins++ gerundio++ vfernandes++ :D
14:45 gerundio jcamins++
14:45 gerundio slef++
14:45 kf :)
14:45 gerundio kf++
14:45 jcamins vfernandes++
14:45 jcamins :)
14:45 jcamins That's the one.
14:45 jcamins Look at..
14:45 gerundio stocknumberam123.pl seems to do the trick :D
14:45 vfernandes needs signoff :)
14:45 jcamins gerundio: there are a bunch of plugins.
14:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9418 trivial, P5 - low, ---, vfernandes, NEW , Some corrections and additions to about.tt
14:45 vfernandes bug 9418
14:44 gerundio not just a clean incremental number
14:44 gerundio from the looks of the source code the stocknumber is something like "$branchcode.'_'.$nextnum"
14:44 kf when connected to the field and don't have additional configuation options
14:44 gerundio I see
14:44 kf most plugins just work
14:44 kf gerundio: the autobarcode is the exception - not the rule here
14:42 jcamins Yes.
14:42 jcamins gerundio: there are value builder plugins for it.
14:42 gerundio all I have to do is assign the "stocknumber.pl" plugin to the respective field, right?
14:42 gerundio my doubdt is since there is no system preference for it
14:41 gerundio I just want incremental stocknumbers, like the barcode
14:41 kf was not at my desk and just reading back
14:41 kf ugh sorry
14:41 gerundio kf, you meant to talk to me, right?
14:40 kf vfernandes: and they should be able to generate incremental numbers for you - even with prefixes
14:40 kf vfernandes: I am not sure what you want to do - but there are several plugins for stocknumbers/inventory numbers right now
14:39 kf _=
14:36 jcamins Even better! :)
14:35 vfernandes I will create a new bug, that's fine?
14:34 jcamins Thanks!
14:34 jcamins After. We ignore capitalization. :)
14:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Bug for tracking changes to the about page
14:33 wahanui bug 7143 is ready for an easy signoff
14:33 jcamins bug 7143
14:33 vfernandes of course jcamins... i will correct the company of slef to... KEEP SOLUTIONS before of after Katipo? because of E capital
14:33 jcamins There's a standing bug for this...
14:33 jcamins While you are in there, could you add "C & P Bibliography Services, USA"? :)
14:32 jcamins The sponsored-by is used for release notes not about.tt.
14:31 jcamins That doesn't matter.
14:31 vfernandes in the first patch accept i forgot the sponsored-by label
14:31 jcamins Sure. :)
14:31 vfernandes but I can add the company I work for?
14:30 vfernandes ohh there is :)
14:30 jcamins It's alphabetical by last name.
14:29 jcamins Yes, you are there. Right before Katrin. :)
14:29 jcamins If I did not, then yes, a patch is needed.
14:29 jcamins vfernandes: I thought I did?
14:24 vfernandes slef and jcamins, since i've already submitted some patches to Koha can I add myself to the development team in about.tt?
14:14 gerundio so, is it possible?
14:14 gerundio since there is a stocknumber.pl script I was thinking if I could use it to generate incremental numbers too
14:13 gerundio my doubt relates to inventory/stock number generation
14:13 gerundio so basically I got that part figured out and I'm planing to use the incremental option (generated in the form 1, 2, 3.) from now on
14:12 gerundio I looked into the barcode.pl source code and saw how that preference affects the script behavior
14:11 magnuse do we really have to say Koha *Online* Catalogue everywhere - in this day and age?
14:11 gerundio the "autoBarcode" preference you mentioned
14:11 gerundio from what I could tell there's a barcode generator perl script which can be defined on the global system preferences
14:10 gerundio this whole auto barcode and inventory/stock number thing is still not clear to me
14:09 gerundio thanks for the feedback earlier and sorry to leave you hanging
14:09 gerundio slef, back from lunch
13:27 oleonard Hi francharb
13:27 oleonard I'm telling myself I just needed to come in to work for 15 minutes before the meeting
13:27 * magnuse hopes points A and B are really close to each other
13:22 francharb hello #koha
13:21 * oleonard finds himself at Point A when he should be at a meeting at Point B shortly
13:18 oleonard Hi
13:18 kf good morning oleonard
13:13 slef ww
13:13 kf enjoy :)
13:12 slef lunch
13:04 slef Else it could become as silly as the roadsign-spamming on our motorways... lots of differently named shell companies so they get lots of credit on the road signs.
13:03 slef You might want to do that for your own benefit, to find out the history, but I'm not sure it matters for the purpose of deciding whether to replace a credit line after a business is acquired.
13:02 jwagner I can't see why it's a problem, but if it disturbs you I can ask our management to clarify the various company names.
13:01 slef (he used to trade in his own name)
13:01 slef jwagner: Paul POULAIN doesn't appear as a distinct company since BibLibre took over his business, which I feel is a similar situation.
13:00 slef jwagner: I'm sure older US hands will remind me, but I'm pretty sure it was a trading name of Kados Inc or something like that.
12:57 jwagner So far as I know, it was. I don't know details of the incorporation
12:56 slef well, the US entity wasn't ever called liblime, was it?
12:54 jwagner s/list/link/
12:54 jwagner That list appears to be specific to a NZ subsidiary
12:53 slef [off] http://opencorporates.com/companies/nz/1905469
12:53 slef jwagner: But if one is now part of the other (and its company is inactive since 2008), I feel we should reflect that.
12:51 jwagner slef, since both companies contributed code separately before the acquisition, I would leave them as separate entries
12:51 vfernandes http://translate.koha-community.org/pt/310/ still 18K words to translate...
12:50 vfernandes don't worry... considered it done
12:50 slef [off] aren't PTFS and LibLime the same company now? should we merge their attributions? "LibLime, a division of PTFS, USA"?
12:49 slef (we're currently "Software Coop" for some reason)
12:49 vfernandes of course slef :) I'll change it
12:48 slef vfernandes: let me know and I'll sign it off if it fixes our name too ;)
12:48 vfernandes ohhh nice :) i'll do that this afternoon
12:48 slef vfernandes: then I was looking to see if there was an existing bug for such things
12:48 slef vfernandes: yes
12:48 jcamins Exactly. :)
12:47 vfernandes can I change about.tt and submit as a patch? it's what you are saying?
12:46 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5968 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , News display on opac-main.pl is particular about browser language settings
12:46 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7750 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nengard, NEW , Release notes for stable releases should be in Master
12:46 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8404 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Show additional information about borrowers on routing list
12:46 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6735 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, NEW , Note about range isn't showing range
12:46 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2705 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Patron import should warn about invalid characters
12:46 vfernandes slef i'm not there :D I was just asking
12:46 slef @query About Koha
12:46 huginn slef: No results for "about.tt."
12:46 slef @query about.tt
12:46 slef vfernandes: around line 360 of koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/about.tt - could you correct our name to "software.coop" while you're there, please? ;)
12:44 jcamins_away vfernandes: you only need Sponsored-by to appear once per release. :)
12:44 vfernandes the first patches I've done I forgot the add the label "Sponsored-by"... in the last ones I've included the label
12:43 slef vfernandes: include it in the patch?
12:43 vfernandes or you can pass the message to the responsible? :)
12:41 vfernandes do I need to talk to someone specifically?
12:41 slef gerundio: but no, I suspect stocknumber.pl won't do incremental numbers. You'd need to read it to find out.
12:41 vfernandes yes that would be nice for me and the company I work for to appear in the About Koha
12:40 slef gerundio: that depends on the a system preference called something like autobarcode. The function might be called something like fixup_barcode but I don't remember.
12:40 kf and you also did some patches, not sure how this shoudl be handles
12:39 kf I think we sure can add yu to the translators tab
12:39 kf vfernandes: I don't think we have strict rules about that
12:39 vfernandes kf by the way... once I've translated 3.8 completely to portuguese and almost 3.10, it's possible to add the company name to the about Koha?
12:30 gerundio hey, if I assign the stocknumber.pl plugin to the inventory number subfield (stock number?!? I don't know the original name) do I get incremental numbers like the barcode generator?
12:15 kf I think I would finish the others first
12:15 kf ah right
12:15 vfernandes i'm doing 3.10 translations and I was suprised to see a opac-ccsr.po
12:14 vfernandes only 3.8
12:14 vfernandes I don't have 3.10 installed yet
12:13 kf vfernandes: maybe just try it out :) I think it's probably not perfect yet, but should show you what can be done
12:06 vfernandes hummm ok :)
12:06 kf it's nice on your mobile phone and nice on your big desktop
12:05 kf the display changes depending on the size of your screen
12:03 vfernandes responsive design?
11:59 kf responsive design
11:59 kf it's an alternate theme for the opac
11:57 vfernandes can anyone explain me what is opac-ccsr?
11:29 vfernandes hello :)
11:15 mtj ahh yeah, i guess that is to be expected :/
11:14 slef mtj: I'm getting increasing failure frequency as stable ages.
11:13 mtj (but often the stable patch applies ok to master, so no problem)
11:13 slef after all, I need to backport to test it on the catalogue reporting the error (which might depend on the whole database...)
11:12 mtj slef, sometimes i accidentally do that too :)
11:12 slef I do, but I backport, then bz attach... and sometimes I forget to switch back to the master branch.
11:11 kf that we get a library reporting a problem that can't wait for a fix
11:11 kf I mean it doesn't happen all that often
11:11 kf but not so often
11:07 kf i always develop my patches against master and then backport
11:00 slef libraries report bugs on stable, so we need to deploy fixes against stable without waiting for the transit from master to stable and possibly to oldstable
10:59 kf ;)
10:59 kf hm no :)
10:59 slef bah... any other developers get confused and sometimes submit patches against stable? :-/
10:39 magnuse but i'd like to know a little bit more about why $tagslib is not defined :-)
10:34 mtj hmm, that looks like a fix, to me :)
10:28 magnuse looks like there is a problem with the $tagslib variable being passed to GetAuthorisedValueDesc?
10:28 pastebot "magnuse" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "it works! (not sure why)" (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/361
10:14 mtj missing 'ccode', or 'lost' authcodes, perhaps?
10:13 magnuse a ha! :-)
10:13 mtj snap ;)
10:13 mtj for me, it was a data problem too - some missing auth_values, i think....
10:13 magnuse at the moment i spsuspect a missing autorized value
10:13 mtj i've spotted something similar recently on a dev koha
10:13 magnuse kia ora mtj
10:12 mtj magnuse, heya
10:09 magnuse i'm pretty sure it must be a data problem
10:06 kf not seen that in my tests this morning, but Ididn't search :(
10:06 kf oh
09:52 magnuse i'm suddenly getting lots of the error "Can't use string ("") as a HASH ref while "strict refs" in use at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 1555." on both searches and detail views both in intranet and opac on one of my 3.8.8 installs - anyone else seen that? same error everywhere, but not in other installs running off the same code
08:31 kf good morning #koha
08:16 gaetan_B ;)
08:12 magnuse bonjour!
08:12 gaetan_B hello
08:07 magnuse wellington on the other hand sounds rather pleaseant :-)
07:55 reiveune hello
07:55 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0°C (8:00 PM NZDT on January 17, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Rising).
07:55 rangi @wunder nzwn
07:50 alex_a_ I could not survive over there
07:49 magnuse alex_a_: nope, inland temperature from the south of norway - probably one of the coldest places in norway, on average :-)
07:47 alex_a_ -33 magnuse ! It's a Martian temperatures ?
07:43 magnuse you can do it!
07:43 magnuse good luck cait
07:42 cait bbiab
07:42 cait hm have to go out there now...
07:40 magnuse ouch
07:40 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Roros Lufthavn, Norway is -33.0°C (7:20 AM CET on January 17, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: -37.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
07:40 magnuse @wunder rrs
07:40 cait I win.... :(
07:40 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -4.7°C (8:35 AM CET on January 17, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -5.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
07:40 cait @wunder Konstanz
07:40 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -4.0°C (8:20 AM CET on January 17, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Windchill: -11.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
07:39 magnuse @wunder boo
07:39 * magnuse waves
07:35 alex_a_ yes
07:35 cait starting 18th I think
07:35 cait hm in march :)
07:35 alex_a_ When is the hackfest ?
07:34 cait but I hope it will be nice and warm for the hackfest :)
07:34 alex_a_ brr too
07:34 cait not much warmer where you are!
07:34 huginn alex_a_: The current temperature in Marseille, France is -1.0°C (8:00 AM CET on January 17, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Windchill: -10.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Rising).
07:34 alex_a_ @wunder MRS
07:34 cait and i have to walk to work soon!
07:34 cait yeah :(
07:34 cait morning alex_a_ :)
07:34 alex_a_ -4 :o
07:34 alex_a_ cait :)
07:34 alex_a_ Bonjour
07:11 cait brr
07:11 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is -4.0°C (8:00 AM CET on January 17, 2013). Conditions: Snow. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1013 hPa (Rising).
07:11 cait @wunder Konstanz
06:57 wahanui i think how to install koha is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category:Installation
06:57 mtj how to install koha
06:45 mib_cjnvyi how to install koha
06:39 mtj cait… sorry, just gotta work on this report for a bit…
06:35 mtj but yeah, always busy…
06:32 mtj not as busy as other people :)
06:27 cait been busy? :)
06:26 cait yes, happy new year :)
06:26 mtj long time, no chat - happy new year :p
06:24 cait hi mtj :)
06:19 mtj hi cait, good morning to you :)
06:02 cait morning #koha
05:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4439 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , two acq webservices should use C4::Service
05:22 aqualaptop bam, bug 4439 :D
03:57 druthb_mobile Yep.
03:57 rangi i think moving the files to their own repo, then having pootle talk to git, would make it a bunch more scriptable, could even be cronned to update anytime a branch changes
03:55 druthb_mobile I am also thinking about how to automate that, and eleminate some of the fragile moving parts.
03:54 rangi sweet thank you
03:53 druthb_mobile 3.10 is just finishing up, 3.8 to follow. :)
03:53 * druthb_mobile is a geek like that sometimes.
03:53 rangi :)
03:53 * druthb_mobile has been vacationing, but an SSH client on her tablet can solve many things...
03:52 rangi hiya druthb_mobile
03:52 * druthb_mobile waves to rangi
03:52 aqualaptop dodge code ;)
03:52 rangi nice!
03:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9411 major, P5 - low, ---, hugh, Needs Signoff , Multiple uses of javascript eval on ajax responses in acq.js
03:51 aqualaptop and bug 9411 fixed!
03:45 cjh aqualaptop++ awesome work finding the evals
03:44 rangi aqualaptop++
03:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4437 minor, P5 - low, ---, hugh, Needs Signoff , acq.js uses XMLHttpRequest() directly; should use jQuery
03:17 aqualaptop woot, another bug down (bug 4437)
03:14 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @CatalystAcademy: "Some headway has been made into #accessibility of @kohails by using @twbootstrap to change the menu. #flossac"
02:28 jcamins o/
02:28 druthb_mobile o/
01:37 rangi https://secure.flickr.com/photos/ranginui/8388555606/in/photostream now
01:36 rangi https://secure.flickr.com/photos/ranginui/8388477794/in/photostream before
01:36 cjh :(
01:36 ibeardslee does seem a couple of degrees cooler
01:36 rangi http://www.watchmystreet.co.nz/ <-- interesting!
01:35 rangi yep, i reckon prolly 10-15 before it hits the cbd
01:32 * aqualaptop looks forward to the fun
01:32 aqualaptop rangi: not here it aint ;)
01:31 rangi raining now
01:04 rangi heh i wish, the old vhf one .. which is not connected to anything and just makes whistling noises in high winds .. which is pretty much always
01:03 eythian the bittorrent aerial?
00:58 rangi that photo reminds me, i really should take that aerial down, its not as if it does anything
00:57 eythian hrm
00:57 rangi eythian: https://secure.flickr.com/photos/ranginui/8388477794/in/photostream
00:53 cjh heh
00:47 jcamins :P
00:47 jcamins Well, not until after you'd said it.
00:46 jcamins eythian: you're the one who said "maybe it won't be so bad," not me.
00:46 eythian (jcamins that is)
00:46 jcamins mib_vt11xz: good luck.
00:46 eythian hush.
00:46 mib_vt11xz thanks a lot jcamins for you help
00:45 jcamins The moment you say something like that, you seal your clothes' fate.
00:45 jcamins Keep dreaming. :P
00:45 jcamins Yeah, right.
00:44 eythian oh well, at least the south is the sheltered side of my place. Between that and the trees overhead, maybe it won't be so bad...
00:44 rangi yeah, its nice and sunny at the moment, not for long tho
00:44 eythian I bet it's dry now
00:44 mib_vt11xz we have perl v5.12.1
00:44 jcamins And eythian's laundry hanging out to dry.
00:44 eythian :<
00:43 rangi big clouds coming in from the south
00:43 jcamins Maybe Perl is installed wrong. I don't know.
00:42 mib_vt11xz improper installation perl has to do
00:42 jcamins If performance isn't good enough, use a more powerful server. If you don't want to use a more powerful server, deal with the performance you can get with the less powerful server.
00:41 jcamins I don't have any more advice to give you.
00:41 mib_vt11xz we did a controlled trials
00:40 jcamins For a circulating library with 200000 items I'd probably use 16gb for each since RAM is so cheap, but that's just me.
00:40 jcamins Give MySQL an 8gb server and give Apache/Koha an 8gb server and see how it goes.
00:37 mib_vt11xz yes
00:37 jcamins mib_vt11xz: the best thing to do would be to put MySQL on a separate server and see how it works.
00:36 jcamins mib_vt11xz: and 65% of it is needed for MySQL.
00:36 * cjh googles quinoa and kale pesto
00:35 cjh jcamins: I dont know either of those things...
00:35 wizzyrea the other change is for the existing interface
00:35 wizzyrea well yea, this includes that change :)
00:35 mib_vt11xz but it has 8GB
00:35 jcamins Yeah, I saw the patch for that.
00:35 wizzyrea we got rid of the [ ? ] and replaced it with a word
00:35 jcamins Quinoa + kale pesto = just the thing when I am too tired to cook.
00:35 wizzyrea yea, screen was too wide
00:34 cjh and there is a 'help' button to the right, off the screencast though
00:34 wizzyrea so basically, if it's not clear, we've moved the set library and log out to a menu under the user's identity, rather like unity does
00:33 cjh MrAgent075++
00:33 cjh and keyboard access is much nicer, hope to get Julius to check it reads to him nicely too.
00:33 * MrAgent075 is proud that he did the time. :)
00:33 cjh the html has only been rearranged and restyled, so it shouldnt be any less translatable :)
00:32 jcamins Nice!
00:32 wizzyrea no strings in javascript.
00:32 wizzyrea should be it's all html
00:32 jcamins As long as it's translatable.
00:32 rangi :)
00:31 jcamins I'm sold!
00:31 jcamins Nice!
00:31 wizzyrea that is all tabs and arrow keys btw
00:31 wizzyrea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay89BdbBfZ0
00:31 jcamins Not enough memory so circulation.pl is getting stuck.
00:30 jcamins Sounds like that might be the problem.
00:29 mib_vt11xz mysql 65 % RAM
00:29 mib_vt11xz mysql CPU consumption is low
00:28 jcamins :)
00:28 jcamins Someone should introduce them to HTML5.
00:27 wizzyrea ah never mind then.
00:27 rangi ditto
00:27 jcamins rangi: and I don't.
00:27 jcamins Huh. Live and learn.
00:27 rangi its an insecure thing you shouldnt have runnign in your browser!
00:27 wizzyrea heh yea unfortunately.
00:27 jcamins That's still a thing?
00:26 jcamins It requires _Java_?
00:26 wizzyrea pretty good stuff here http://screencast-o-matic.com/watch/cIVbcZVQqg
00:25 mib_vt11xz only performance problem
00:25 mib_vt11xz everething works
00:24 jcamins It works great for me, but I use Debian.
00:24 mib_vt11xz I am worried
00:23 jcamins You could try Plack, but I don't know how well it would work for you.
00:23 wahanui Plack is a FastCGI thingy that works with Koha. See http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Plack for more information.
00:23 jcamins Plack?
00:23 jcamins mod_perl does not work with Koha.
00:22 mib_vt11xz is necessary install mod_perl?
00:21 jcamins mib_vt11xz: it's only such a serious problem on your server, so it must be something specific to your server.
00:19 mib_vt11xz circulation.pl and patronimage.pl eats cpu
00:19 rangi at least no known problem as bad as you are describing
00:19 kathryn jcamins mmn protein in disguise
00:18 rangi mib_vt11xz: there is no known performance problem with circulation.pl .. at least not a reported one, im afraid i dont know what could be causing it on your machine
00:18 jcamins Quinoa.
00:18 jcamins kathryn: bag said an hour, so I decided to go with plan B.
00:17 kathryn jcamins, sorry I was eating a most delicious seafood vege udon. I don't really know, I'd check about now if they are in the oven :)
00:17 mib_vt11xz we have suse linux enterprise 11
00:17 rangi yep, we can only guess
00:17 jcamins But I don't know.
00:17 jcamins All I can think of is that there's a problem with Koha on OpenSuse 11.
00:16 mib_vt11xz no only koha
00:16 rangi it must be something unique to your set up im afraid
00:16 jcamins Do you have anything else running on the server?
00:16 mib_vt11xz tyes
00:16 rangi and not swapping right?
00:15 rangi have you checked it isn't IO bound
00:15 rangi yes, what jcamins means is you see the problem in the .pl files that doesnt mean they are the cause
00:15 mib_vt11xz linux command top
00:14 rangi the perl scripts interact with the db
00:14 jcamins Where you _see_ the problem is Perl scripts.
00:14 mib_vt11xz the problem is perl scripts
00:14 rangi yeah
00:14 jcamins rangi: I know. I was trying to think if there could be something else that would cause the problem to manifest.
00:14 rangi on a server with specs like that, unless something else is eating all the RAM
00:13 rangi 75 a minute shouldn't be a problem
00:13 mib_vt11xz yes we have
00:13 jcamins *?
00:13 jcamins Do you have MySQL on the same server/
00:13 jcamins Hm.
00:12 mib_vt11xz 75 transactions
00:12 jcamins But I do know that there are a lot of large library systems using Koha with similar servers successfully.
00:12 jcamins I don't usually work with circulating libraries, so I don't know much about the performance in circ.
00:11 mib_vt11xz the problem is in concurrence
00:11 jcamins (on average)
00:10 jcamins How many transactions are you doing a minute?
00:10 jcamins Okay.
00:10 mib_vt11xz we have a performance problem
00:09 jcamins BobB: yeah, 3.8.2 is a problem, 3.8.6 is not.
00:09 BobB We are using 3.8.6 - there's a couple of minor things, but its OK
00:08 jcamins tcohen is the person I usually ask to translate, and he's on vacation.
00:08 mib_vt11xz spanish
00:08 mib_vt11xz we have 3.8.6
00:08 jcamins What is your native language?
00:07 mib_vt11xz i speak a little english
00:07 jcamins Agreed.
00:07 rangi so id go to 3.8.8
00:06 rangi and there were security fixes in 3.8.4
00:06 jcamins 3.8.2 was very buggy.
00:06 mib_vt11xz about 200000 items in the catalog
00:06 rangi 3.8.2 ? you definitely should not go live with that
00:06 jcamins Oh, one more question... when you say it is using "too much CPU," you mean that it's a performance problem, not that you're surprised by it, right?
00:05 mib_vt11xz 3.82
00:04 jcamins Usually I would have thought of that on my own.
00:04 mib_vt11xz of course
00:03 jcamins Yes! Good question!
00:03 rangi what version of Koha?
00:02 mib_vt11xz 64 bits
00:02 mib_vt11xz vmware
00:02 mib_vt11xz ram
00:02 mib_vt11xz 8 gb
00:02 mib_vt11xz suse linux 11
00:01 jcamins And how many items do you have in the catalog?
00:01 jcamins What are the specs of your server?
00:01 mib_vt11xz patronimage.pl too
00:00 jcamins How are you doing inventory?
00:00 jcamins The question is why.
00:00 jcamins I'm sure circulation.pl is taking too much CPU.
00:00 jcamins That won't help.
00:00 mib_vt11xz can i paste a image of linux command top