Time  Nick         Message
00:37 mib_ygxhlr   greetings, is there a simple way to tell what version of Koha I have installed via the staff client or terminal command line?
00:38 rangi        go to the about page in the staff client
00:38 mib_ygxhlr   excellent, thanks
00:39 rangi        what version btw? im guessing 3.10.1
00:39 mib_ygxhlr   yup
00:39 jcamins_away rangi: ... what reasoning led you to that correct conclusion?
00:40 mib_ygxhlr   I didn't know if I was updating oldstable or sqeeze
00:41 rangi        apt-cache policy koha-common
00:41 rangi        will tell you too
00:41 rangi        if you are using the packages
00:41 rangi        jcamins_away: someone new to koha, most likely has new version :)
00:41 rangi        jcamins_away: that was my guess anyway
00:42 mib_ygxhlr   apt-cache worked too - thanks
00:42 jcamins_away rangi: heh. Seems to have been a good guess.
00:44 mib_ygxhlr   ok, here's a better one
00:44 mib_ygxhlr   what table contains the holdings/item info for a book barcode and how do I look at that in mysql?
00:45 mib_ygxhlr   I can see the tables, but am new to sql
00:46 mib_ygxhlr   I should say I can see the tables in my koha library in sql - is it the biblio table?
00:48 rangi        no
00:48 mib_ygxhlr   gtg, thanks for the help
00:48 rangi        items
00:48 rangi        ok then
00:59 ibeardslee   hmmmm ... the Kiritaki Koha group filled up real quick, but noone has picked Koha (unless people start changing around) :(
01:00 jcamins_away ibeardslee: tell them that the RM is not nearly as scary as he sounds.
01:02 * cjh        runs out to buy cookies
01:02 wizzyrea     "work on Koha, we have cookies"
01:03 cjh          it could work..
01:03 wizzyrea     or chocolate.
01:03 wahanui      reiveune ate them all
01:03 jcamins_away lol
01:04 ibeardslee   cjh: also use the academy moodle (discussion forum) to help sell it
01:04 cjh          the cookies?
01:04 wahanui      Cookies are delicious delicacies
01:05 ibeardslee   well you could try to sell the cookies, but 'selling' koha would be betterer
01:06 jcamins_away "Work on Koha, we understand the importance of cookies and are always prepared to cheer you up with a plate of fresh cookies."
01:07 jcamins_away Also, "work on Koha, the RM just baked 121 rum chocolate chip cookies, and if you work on Koha he'll probably give you some if you go to the US."
01:07 cjh          theres a koha person!!!!!
01:08 jcamins_away \o/
01:08 cjh          and 23 havent answered yet
01:08 cjh          to battle!!!
01:08 cjh          no, they are the tutors. drats.
01:15 jcamins_away What are the other projects?
01:17 jcamins_away There's an online cooking show called "kamikaze cookery"? Awesome!
01:21 mib_vczt1x   jcamins_away: you reviewed the submission i made for the centos?
01:24 jcamins_away mib_vczt1x: yes, it looked good! :D
01:24 jcamins_away Thanks!
01:25 ibeardslee   cjh: yeah I've been trying to workout how to configure the setting so only students show
01:25 cjh          ibeardslee: dont do that, then it will seem like the koha team is even smaller!
01:26 ibeardslee   but that is confusing
02:35 wizzyrea     so how are we doing database updates now? did we roll back the big change to that?
02:36 jcamins_away We did, yes.
02:36 jcamins_away updatedatabase works the same way as before.
02:36 wizzyrea     ok so do it the old way still?
02:36 wizzyrea     ok cool.
02:36 * wizzyrea   still may need help but... will do her best/worst
03:35 wizzyrea     wait... the documentation states that permission management is no longer in use
03:36 wizzyrea     permission "management"
03:36 rangi        hmm what?
03:36 wizzyrea     I suppose in favor or "parameters"
03:37 wizzyrea     favor of
03:49 wizzyrea     I think I like this the best http://imgur.com/CZrxQ
03:50 eythian      I wouldn't have the **
03:50 eythian      why not <i> or <b>?
03:51 wizzyrea     will it show that? I honestly didn't try.
03:51 eythian      I dunno, but if not it'd be worth making it do so
03:51 eythian      or have it turn '*...*' into italics or something
03:51 wizzyrea     hm
03:53 wizzyrea     hah it does work. How funny.
03:53 wizzyrea     ok yes, that's nicer.
03:53 eythian      It's effort to make something like that not work, usually :)
03:53 wizzyrea     ^.^
03:56 wizzyrea     http://imgur.com/GZGBV
03:56 wizzyrea     I think that gets the point across.
03:57 eythian      that does look better
03:59 eythian      modules/opac-topissues.tt:<div id="doc3" class="yui-t1">
03:59 eythian      modules/opac-topissues.tt:<div id="doc3" class="yui-t1">
03:59 eythian      modules/opac-topissues.tt:<div id="doc3" class="yui-t7">
03:59 eythian      ^-- on a scale of one to totally wrong...
03:59 * wizzyrea   blinks
03:59 eythian      Well, I suppose it could be conditional
03:59 eythian      I haven't checked that
04:00 wizzyrea     that's my cue I think.
04:49 tts          while setting koha with multiple branch libraries is it possible to restrict library staff to edit records of their own libraries and how to allow borrowers to borrow book from any branch library what circulation preference needs to be set
06:05 cait         morning #koha
06:40 magnuse      morning cait and #koha
06:40 cait         good morning magnuse :)
06:41 magnuse      :-)
06:41 magnuse      @wunder boo
06:41 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0°C (7:20 AM CET on January 14, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
06:41 magnuse      w00t!
06:48 cait         @wunder Konstnaz
06:48 huginn       cait: Error: No such location could be found.
06:48 cait         @wunder Konstanz
06:48 huginn       cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -0.4°C (7:45 AM CET on January 14, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
06:48 rangi        @wunder nzwn
06:48 huginn       rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (7:00 PM NZDT on January 14, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady).
06:49 magnuse      rainy day, dream away...
06:52 cait         @wunder schaffhausen
06:52 huginn       cait: The current temperature in Schaffhausen, Schaffhausen, Switzerland is -1.2°C (7:47 AM CET on January 14, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
07:14 mveron       Good morning #koha
07:14 mveron       @wunder Basel
07:14 huginn       mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is -1.0°C (8:00 AM CET on January 14, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
07:16 cait         hi mveron :)
07:16 cait         did you get snow?
07:16 mveron       hi cait :-)
07:16 mveron       No snow, snowy rain...
07:17 cait         ah
07:17 cait         coworker near schaffhausen reports lots of snow
07:17 mveron       @wunder schaffhausen
07:17 huginn       mveron: The current temperature in Schaffhausen, Schaffhausen, Switzerland is -1.2°C (8:02 AM CET on January 14, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
07:23 cait         hm
07:23 cait         my git says dirty index
07:23 cait         oh, I see
07:28 cait         soled
07:28 cait         solved even
07:30 magnuse      cait++
07:30 cait         hm?
07:31 magnuse      cait: for solving problems
07:31 cait         mveron++ rangi++ early morning/evening sign offs
07:32 mveron       Thanks, cait :-)
07:33 mveron       BRB
07:33 alex_a       bonjour
07:33 wahanui      privet, alex_a
07:36 cait         hi alex_a :)
07:37 reiveune     hello
07:38 cait         hi reiveune :)
07:38 reiveune     bonjour cait :)
07:45 alex_a       hello cait
07:46 cait         oh wow
07:46 cait         suddenly, we got snow
07:46 cait         a lot even
07:47 cait         of course... I have to leave for work now... and it starts snowing.
07:49 rangi        thanks for the retweet about catalyst clrh
07:49 jajm         good morning #koha
07:50 rangi        hi jajm
07:50 cait         bbiab
07:51 jajm         hi rangi
07:51 jajm         hi cait
08:13 gaetan_B     hello
08:13 wahanui      hello, gaetan_B
08:21 kf           good morning #koha
08:22 rangi        wb kf
08:22 kf           thx rangi
08:35 clrh         rangi: you're welcome, happy to see catalyst as a drupalcon sponsor ^^
08:38 rangi        we've sponsored a few in the past
08:50 rangi        i have no idea what that guy is doing to his cron jobs, but it's all wrong whatever it is
08:53 kf           probably
09:37 samuel       hi everybody
09:38 kf           hi samuel
09:41 samuel       i'v solved my problems correctly for item, our base run  but there's something trouble: when i enter barcode , i've this message "Can't call method "subfield" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 3008, <DATA> line 581." but in circulation history, i find my book.
09:41 samuel       something may miss in my configuration but where?
09:48 kf           samuel: what do youmean by circulation history?
09:49 kf           and where are you entering the barcode when it's not found?
09:52 samuel       oups, my translation is not good. I choose a borrower, i have the page "checking out to Mr ....", i enter item barcode and i've this error.
09:55 samuel       i think i have to look at my zebra configuration;
09:56 rangi        circulation doesnt use zebra
09:56 rangi        and with that, i am going to sleep :)
09:57 samuel       good night :-)
09:57 kf           what rangi said
09:57 kf           check the barcode is in your items table
09:58 kf           I think there is something wrong with your data
09:58 kf           how did you add the items?
09:59 samuel       with marc-mir, i've fixed the problem i had last week
09:59 kf           so you added the items to your marc records?
09:59 kf           and how did you get them imported? using staged marc import?
10:00 samuel       bulkmarcimport
10:00 kf           ok
10:00 kf           so you imported them into an empty datbase?
10:00 kf           did you rebuild your zebra index?
10:01 samuel       yes, of course  and i've rebuild my zebra index but i've doubt, i will check my configuration
10:01 kf           did you check the entry in the items table for the barcode you tried?
10:02 samuel       the import worked very well (we have many records without barcodes but it's another story)
10:04 samuel       link between item and record are ok
10:06 kf           hm
10:07 ryzasss      hi
10:08 kf           samuel: sorry, running out of ideas here, but hard to see what's going wrong from here
10:08 kf           hi ryzasss
10:08 ryzasss      I have a problem maybe somebody could help
10:08 samuel       kf: this link http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Koha-zebra-index-issue-td3048066.html give me some ideas
10:11 magnuse      samuel: did you check the marc record? to me "Can't call method "subfield" on an undefined value" sounds like a problem with the record. like koha looking for a field/subfield that is not in the record
10:12 samuel       good idea, i'll  make a test.
10:13 magnuse      samuel: and what does  /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 3008 do (in your version)?
10:13 kf           magnuseüü
10:13 kf           magnuse++ sorry typoed :)
10:14 samuel       magnuse: i'll check
10:14 ryzasss      I am trying to install Koha on ubuntu. On instalation guide i reached the point. Web installion> here i am stuck ,, lynx http://library-intra.framisdooby.org:80 it redirects me to maitenance and stops working
10:14 ryzasss      Pls some advice
10:14 magnuse      ryzasss: you need to access the admin interface
10:15 magnuse      probably replace :80 with :8080 at the end of the url
10:15 kf           ^^ what he said :)
10:16 magnuse      hm, library-intra should probably be the intranet? but the maintenance message certainly comes from the opac
10:37 drojf        hi #koha
10:38 magnuse      hiya drojf and reiveune
10:39 drojf        hey magnuse
10:41 drojf        @wunder berlin, germany
10:41 huginn       drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is -4.4°C (11:13 AM CET on January 14, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Windchill: -9.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
11:01 kf           @wunder Konstanz
11:01 huginn       kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 0.0°C (11:55 AM CET on January 14, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Rising).
11:01 kf           hi drojf
11:02 drojf        hi kf
11:31 tts          hw can i set up restriction on not allowing other library staff to edit biblios of other libraries
11:31 tts          if there are multiple libraries
12:01 kf           tts: independentbranches
12:02 kf           ah too late
12:02 magnuse      but records are shared no matter what you set independentbranches to, right?
12:05 kf           magnuse: yes, only helps for items.
12:05 kf           you are right
12:06 magnuse      good :-)
12:07 magnuse      (in the sense that i recall correctly)
12:35 jwagner      quit
13:10 oleonard     Hello #koha
13:11 kf           good morning oleonard
14:08 H            is there a spot in koha where you can change the email adres used when he sends something ?
14:08 H            or is that done outside koha
14:08 jcamins      Good morning, #koha.
14:08 H            hey
14:09 jcamins      There's a syspref.
14:09 jcamins      KohaAdminEmail or something like that.
14:11 H            found it
14:11 oleonard     Is that not set by the install process?
14:11 H            testing
14:11 jcamins      oleonard: no.
14:11 * oleonard   doesn't install often enough
14:16 kf           morning jcamins
14:17 jcamins      Morning.
14:17 wahanui      morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
14:22 oleonard     cat, dog, chickens, children, etc.
14:41 oleonard     Wow Bug 8661 has turned out to be a huge pain in the ass.
14:41 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8661 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Patch doesn't apply , break out additional authors in opac like in staff
14:43 kf           oleonard: I am sorry for that :(
14:43 oleonard     Not your fault of course.
14:43 jcamins      Hey, has anyone noticed authors not having any spaces in their names?
14:43 kf           it had to wait for some time
14:44 kf           I tried looking at the conflict, but was not sure how to fixit and the entities were really irritating me
14:44 kf           jcamins: huh? :)
14:44 jcamins      I don't have an example, but a few times I've seen screenshots of Koha installations where all the words in authors' names are run together without spaces.
14:45 magnuse      kf: i think the entities are part of the xslt logic? because you cant say x>1 in xslt
14:45 jcamins      Yeah, the entities are correct.
14:45 kf           ah
14:45 magnuse      ...without making it invalid xslt
14:45 kf           I didn't know that
14:46 oleonard     jcamins: Eliminating spaces saves catalogers valuable time otherwise spent hitting the space bar?
14:46 kf           all good then, only a conflict to fix.... hope a not too hard one
14:46 jcamins      oleonard: heh.
14:47 kf           jcamins: can't remember seeing it - but I think we have some inconsistencies in the xslt files
14:47 kf           regardng spaces
14:48 oleonard     jcamins: When my library first started adding records to an electronic catalog the data-entry people were told to use all caps to save time
14:48 jcamins      That's horrible!
14:48 kf           ouch.
14:48 jcamins      Funny, but horrible.
14:48 oleonard     Luckily those were real MARC records back then
14:48 oleonard     were *not*
14:50 magnuse      no worries, you can just run ucfirst on it ;-)
14:51 jcamins      magnuse: no! Bad magnuse! :P
14:51 magnuse      moahaha
14:53 kf           does someone know if newer koha versions log categorytype ni statistics?
14:53 jcamins      I do not know.
14:54 lms          Hello!
14:55 kf           hi lms
14:57 lms          Does anyone know how to put a new field in "Koha to MARC mapping"? I'm using UNIMARC and koha uses 995 but I want to use 966
14:57 jcamins      manual?
14:57 wahanui      i heard manual was at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation
14:58 jcamins      ^^ the manual should have a section on Koha to MARC mappings.
14:58 jcamins      However, I'd strongly recommend against changing the item mapping.
14:58 * kf         seconds that
14:58 * magnuse    too
14:59 kf           lms: you will end up getting very disappointed with yourself if you do that.
14:59 kf           lms: the search will not be working.
14:59 kf           lms: well the search for item relevant data like barcode, you will have to edit files to make that work and it going to explode at every update you ever make
15:00 lms          hmm, ok. thank you all
15:08 alefas       hi i would like to ask how can i set koha interface to greek language?
15:08 alefas       are there info about this anywhere in the web?
15:10 jcamins      translations?
15:10 wahanui      translations is probably http://translate.koha-community.org/
15:10 jcamins      installing translations?
15:10 jcamins      i18n?
15:11 alefas       yes
15:11 jcamins      alefas: our bot doesn't seem to have a link.
15:11 alefas       for koha 3.10
15:11 jcamins      It will take me a few minutes to find it.
15:11 jcamins      Those questions were for the bot, not you. :)
15:11 jcamins      installing translations is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Installation_of_additional_languages_for_OPAC_and_INTRANET_staff_client
15:12 jcamins      installing translations?
15:12 wahanui      installing translations is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Installation_of_additional_languages_for_OPAC_and_INTRANET_staff_client
15:12 jcamins      Now our bot knows. :)
15:12 jcamins      That page has instructions.
15:12 kf           jcamins++ :)
15:14 magnuse      jcamins++
15:14 jcamins      You know, when answering people on mibbit I should tell them not to just click links.
15:15 rambutan     @wunder 64507
15:15 huginn       rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is -9.9°C (9:13 AM CST on January 14, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: -12.0°C. Windchill: -10.0°C. Pressure: 30.56 in 1035 hPa (Rising).
15:17 rambutan     500 people on #reprap. Think it has downed xchat. Need restart
15:20 oleonard     #reprap?
15:20 rambutan     3D printing http://www.reprap.org/wiki/Main_Page
15:21 rambutan     one of the most active "productivity" channels I've seen. There is a lot of low-level dev work there
15:21 magnuse      "RepRap is humanity's first general-purpose self-replicating manufacturing machine. "
15:21 rambutan     #reprap is on freenode
15:22 oleonard     I wasn't much interested in 3D printing until I found a site offering the pattern to a tiny part I need for my graphics tablet stylus which would otherwise require a $70 replacement
15:23 jcamins      oleonard: so you're buying a thousand dollar printer?
15:23 rambutan     yep, one of the big selling points for 3D printing.
15:23 oleonard     jcamins: Better yet, making friends with someone with access to one?
15:23 oleonard     Still haven't done that though ;)
15:23 rambutan     I predict it will become quite valuable in the future for printing (older?) car parts
15:24 jcamins      Someone should print a Raspberry Pi case.
15:29 rambutan     there are several Pi case patterns out there
15:31 rambutan     http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:16104
15:31 jcamins      Hehe. Thingiverse.
15:31 jcamins      Someone was not feeling very creative when they came up with that.
15:32 jcamins      Cool!
15:32 oleonard     http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:26685
15:33 kf           jcamins: you could ask dpavlin
15:33 kf           the only problem might be shipping :)
15:33 kf           drojf biult his out of a plasctic box with lid I think
15:34 jcamins      kf: I can make one myself, I just think that a printed one would be cooler.
15:35 rambutan     http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:30563   especially the image with 4 mounted Pi's.  Looks like a poor implementation of a good idea (Pi cluster case)
15:55 vfernandes   hello :)
15:57 jcamins      Hello.
16:02 jcamins      I just learned that there are some counties in the US that are in more than one state.
16:03 jcamins      Oh, I see.
16:03 jcamins      They're not anymore.
16:08 rambutan     Yea, they tend to wander around like that sometimes.
16:36 reiveune     bye
16:54 rambutan     I need some help--I normally don't do any admin within Koha, but my TS supervisor is gone and I need to give a staff member, currently with just regular patron privileges, access to the staff interface.
16:55 rambutan     where do I do that?
16:57 jcamins      View the patron record, then click on the More button and "Set permissions."
16:57 rambutan     tnx
17:18 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails  Setting My Privacy in Koha 3.6 http://t.co/oVxt7yRL"
17:27 gerundio     hi, how can I disable ISBD view in OPAC?
17:27 jatara       Hi, all. Does anyone know why the reports page prints out in teeny tiny font on some computers but not on others?
17:27 gerundio     I only found one preference "viewISBD" but that's just for the staff client
17:28 gerundio     jatara, can you give an example?
17:28 gerundio     do people use the same browser across the different computers?
17:29 jcamins      gerundio: you could hide the button with CSS/Javascript.
17:29 jatara       It's hard to explain, but my librarians are running a customized report that I created. Some people are reporting that it prints out in teeny tiny font and others (like me) find the size is perfectly adequate. I do have a copy of the teeny tiny font report and it's indeed printing that way, but not on my computer
17:30 jcamins      I don't see any syspref for changing it.
17:30 jatara       We are a school district. All our settings are the same, including browsers.
17:30 jcamins      jatara: that's going to be a local configuration problem.
17:30 jatara       where?
17:30 jcamins      Something to do with your printer settings.
17:30 cait         jatara: maybe they set some print setting to reduce it to one page or 80% or something?
17:30 cait         jatara: it often happens to me when I do that on purpose that it sticks for later printouts
17:31 jcamins      Those seem like good guesses.
17:31 jatara       Nope. Another person and I printed to the same printer -- got two completely different sizes.
17:31 cait         browser settings for printers
17:31 cait         not settings from the printer
17:31 jcamins      Printer settings on your computer.
17:32 cait         if you go to print and then... settings... I only know how it's called in german
17:32 jcamins      I can't give you any more specific advice than that because the last time I used Windows for printing something, XP was new enough that companies weren't upgrading.
17:32 cait         'seite einrichten'
17:32 jatara       That's not possible. I have one person reports she gets both regular size and teeny tiny size on same report, same computer, same printer.
17:32 gerundio     jcamins++
17:33 cait         jatara: I think we can be pretty sure it's not koha... so it must be something done locally.
17:33 jcamins      jatara: in that case it has nothing to do with Koha.
17:33 jcamins      Koha just uses the browser's print functionality.
17:34 jatara       All right. Thanks so much!
17:34 jcamins      I'd try and watch the librarian, see if she does anything different between when it works and when it doesn't.
17:34 jcamins      With print preview/without print preview or something like that.
17:35 jcamins      (does Windows have print preview?)
17:35 jcamins      (it must)
17:38 jatara       Firefox has print preview so that's something to look at
17:57 gerundio     jcamins, it does :p
18:14 jcamins      There are two major open source discovery interfaces.
18:15 jcamins      Vufind and...
18:15 jcamins      help?
18:15 wahanui      rumour has it help is at http://koha-community.org/support/ if no-one here can help
18:15 jcamins      Thanks, wahanui.
18:15 wahanui      sure thing jcamins
18:15 jcamins      Blacklight!
18:21 * drojf      turns on the blacklight and hangs up a disco ball for jcamins
18:22 jcamins      What is it they shout at discos? "Relevance ranking, baby"?
18:22 drojf        lol
18:23 drojf        how is the raspberry pi business going?
18:23 jcamins      drojf: I have Koha running on it using nginx and Starman.
18:23 drojf        sweet
18:24 jcamins      And the Koha catalog is automatically advertised using Zeroconf.
18:25 gaetan_B     bye !
18:26 jcamins      @karma
18:26 huginn       jcamins: Highest karma: "rangi" (720), "oleonard" (612), and "jcamins" (485).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-114), "failed" (-98), and "-" (-69).  You (jcamins) are ranked 3 out of 2348.
18:26 jcamins      @karma jcamins_away
18:26 huginn       jcamins: Karma for "jcamins_away" has been increased 20 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 20.
18:26 drojf        cool! so when are you getting the next one? :D
18:26 jcamins      lol
18:26 jcamins      Not for a while.
18:27 jcamins      My next Raspberry Pi is going to be used for building an absurdly over-functional multimeter.
18:27 drojf        excellent idea :D
18:27 jcamins      I have a caliper with a serial port, so I decided that I should hook it up to a Raspberry Pi.
18:27 jcamins      Then I thought "why stop there?"
18:28 drojf        lol. never stop ;)
18:28 jcamins      So I have decided I need a Raspberry Pi that supports precise distance measurements using the caliper, temperature measurements using a thermocouple, all the functionality one generally expects from an electrical multimeter, a hygrometer...
18:28 jcamins      Also very tempting is a laser distance finder.
18:29 jcamins      And no, you are not mistaken in thinking that I don't do anything that would require _any_ of these devices.
18:29 drojf        perfect!
18:29 drojf        everybody should be able to measure a lot of stuff. just in case
18:30 jcamins      Also under consideration is my own Pi-controlled amateur radio tranceiver.
18:30 drojf        :)
18:30 jcamins      Because everyone needs a Pi-controlled amateur radio tranceiver, especially if they don't like talking on radios because they're shy.
18:32 drojf        i hope they will put on a faster cpu at some point, it's really no fun enrypting a harddisk at the moment. i wanted to have one serving files and torrenting, but it takes ages to check the files :(
18:32 jcamins      Heh.
18:32 jcamins      You should just build your own!
18:32 drojf        decrypting even
18:34 jcamins      drojf: http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/1672220.pdf
18:37 drojf        4x1ghz? that sounds capable
18:37 jcamins      4x1.2ghz
18:38 jcamins      Runs Squeeze, Wheezy, or Ubuntu 12.10.
18:39 jcamins      Now you just have to get dpavlin to print you up a case and you're good to go!
18:39 drojf        heh
18:40 jcamins      Or, of course, you could just write your own OS.
18:42 drojf        of course, who wouldn't?
18:44 * jcamins    worked with a custom real-time OS once.
18:44 jcamins      It was kind of weird.
18:45 jcamins      I prefer regular OSes.
18:47 drojf        how conservative ;)
18:48 * cait       waves
19:06 rangi        morning
19:07 jcamins      Morning.
19:07 wahanui      hmmm... morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
19:07 jcamins      Question for you (anyone): does "synchronous index updates" make sense?
19:07 libsysguy    does that mean indexes that happen instantly?
19:07 jcamins      Yes.
19:08 libsysguy    then yes
19:08 libsysguy    it does :)
19:08 jcamins      Yay!
19:08 libsysguy    BUT I think you should have to raise a pinky while saying it
19:08 jcamins      What I had written was "and indexing happens immediately when a record is updated," but that sounds dumb.
19:08 jcamins      lol
19:09 rangi        how about
19:09 rangi        indexing happens immediately
19:10 rangi        or updated records are indexed immediately
19:10 libsysguy    if it is synchronous I would expect it would block all other indexes
19:10 jcamins      Ooh, that last one fits the sentence perfectly, thanks!
19:10 * libsysguy  is having a debate with himself about synchronous vs asynchronous
19:27 rangi        @wunder nzwn
19:27 huginn       rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0°C (8:00 AM NZDT on January 15, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Falling).
19:29 cait         I like the sentence that doesn't use the unspellable word :)
19:35 rangi        new irc stats
19:35 rangi        http://stats.workbuffer.org/ircstats/
19:36 * cait       fears the worst
19:36 cait         oh, it's not as bad as last time :)
19:36 oleonard     Bad?
19:37 libsysguy    rangi sure is a chatty Cathy :p
19:38 jcamins      Ooh, I'm catching up to kados!
19:39 oleonard     rangi: You'll need to merge rambutan and rhcl
19:39 rangi        hmm true
19:41 oleonard     "reiveune wrote the shortest lines, averaging 8.7 characters per line." Because he mostly only says "Bye" :)
19:41 jcamins      Hehe.
19:42 oleonard     rangi++ # For collecting stats!
19:42 cait         rangi++ :)
19:43 rangi        ill rerun combining rambutan and rhcl
19:47 rangi        done
19:48 rangi        ok, time to take atarau to kindergarten cyas
20:01 cait         hm
20:01 cait         question for native speakers
20:02 jcamins      No.
20:02 jcamins      Yes.
20:02 cait         are we using Copyright date or publication date in koha?
20:02 jcamins      Maybe.
20:02 cait         ssh
20:02 jcamins      Both.
20:02 cait         ok
20:02 cait         what is appropriate for the suggestions form
20:02 jcamins      Copyright date = 260$c and publication date = 008/whatever
20:02 jcamins      It's silly.
20:02 jcamins      Hm.
20:02 jcamins      Publication date.
20:04 cait         *sigh*
20:04 cait         the patch uses copyright all over
20:04 cait         well at least it resolves the mix we have now
20:04 jcamins      Heh.
20:05 cait         only I was tending omre in direction of publication date too
20:48 eythian      hi
20:48 wahanui      que tal, eythian
20:52 cait         morning eythian :)
20:53 eythian      howdy
20:53 wahanui      hi, eythian
21:00 rambutan     wahanui: Bug 7241
21:00 wahanui      rambutan: sorry...
21:00 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7241 normal, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Failed QA , circulation action logs record biblionumber instead of item number
21:02 eythian      wahanui: why did \you do it is <reply>to impress Jodie Foster
21:02 wahanui      OK, eythian.
21:02 eythian      wahanui: why did you do it?
21:02 wahanui      eythian: i haven't a clue
21:02 eythian      wahanui: why did you do it
21:02 wahanui      eythian: huh?
21:03 eythian      oh well
21:09 oleonard     See ya #koha
21:18 cjh          MrAgent075: welcome!
21:18 MrAgent075   Hi
21:19 cait         hi cjh
21:19 cait         hi wizzyrea
21:19 cait         academy students today?
21:19 wizzyrea     everybody say hi to MrAgent075 - we hope he'll be #200
21:19 wizzyrea     ah yep
21:19 cjh          cait: MrAgent075 is our academy student :)
21:19 MrAgent075   Guilty as Charged.
21:19 jcamins      MrAgent075: welcome!
21:19 cait         oh nice :)
21:19 cait         hi MrAgent075
21:20 MrAgent075   Hey Everybody! Thanks for the Welcoming Messages, I hope to be here for sometime. :)
21:21 wizzyrea     ok fine 199.
21:21 wizzyrea     :)
21:22 * wizzyrea   was hoping for 200
21:22 cait         jcamins: we need cookies for our guest - you should bake some :)
21:23 * cjh        already gave MrAgent075 a cookie
21:24 cait         heh ok
21:24 jcamins      I just baked cookies yesterday!
21:24 jcamins      However, after this proposal I think I might have to bake more!
21:24 cjh          jcamins: how long does shipping take from <insert where jcamins lives>
21:24 jcamins      cjh: you live in NZ. The cookies would be confiscated by customs!
21:25 * MrAgent075 has also recieved a "healthy dose" of muffins. 3 of them in fact.
21:25 cait         wow
21:25 wizzyrea     yea, that's a bit of a hassle
21:26 cait         jcamins: if you packaged them nicely... maybe could get them through customs
21:26 cait         I brought in lots of chocolate :)
21:26 jcamins      Yeah, but it was pre-packaged.
21:27 * MrAgent075 had problems importing cookies. Shipping broke most cookies in half, or in little crumbs.
21:27 cait         MrAgent075: what are they trying to make you do? :P
21:31 jcamins      bug 9108
21:31 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9108 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Add uk/euro date sort filter to pages which require it
21:43 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @CatalystAcademy: "The busy sounds of students working on @kohails, @drupal, @maharaproject, #mezzanine and #KiritakiKoha. #flossac"
21:43 cait         :)
21:54 MrAgent075   cait: They are getting me to work on Accessibility.
21:54 cait         oh nice :)
21:56 * jcamins    hums "but it's not against any religion to dispose of a pigeon"
21:56 jcamins      Tom Lehrer. Truly a brilliant artist.
21:57 cait         oh?
21:57 dracoling    jcamins: I think my sister still has a shrinkwrap machine, we could totally make professional packaging for your cookies.
21:58 jcamins      dracoling: I feel like they might notice.
21:58 cait         you only need nice labels and packaging :)
21:58 rambutan     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Lehrer   - before my time
21:58 jcamins      "A gift from the Camins Cookie Consortium"?
21:58 cait         mine wereonly nicely wrapped
21:58 cait         not shrink wrapped even
21:58 jcamins      rambutan: before mine too.
21:58 eythian      jcamins: I think baking tends to be OK
21:58 eythian      it's raw that's an issue
21:59 eythian      just saying...
21:59 jcamins      But I got to thinking about "Fight fiercely Harvard," and that led me into a Tom Lehrer spike.
22:00 rambutan     I desperately crave some Caldo de Pollo
22:06 cjh          cait: we are looking at accessibility for the intranet side
22:07 cjh          cait: particularly regarding visually impaired users
22:07 cait         cjh: that's awesome
22:07 wizzyrea     cait did you tell me you had a visually impaired librarian at one of your libraris?
22:07 cait         yes
22:07 wizzyrea     awesome - what areas do they have the most problem in?
22:08 cait         [off] one of the libraries we support has a blind staff member
22:08 cait         2 very hard things
22:08 cait         sequence of fields in cataloging
22:08 * wizzyrea   just knows you are going to say "acquisitions"
22:08 cait         the indicators and fields are read in the wrong sequence
22:08 wizzyrea     ew yea
22:08 wizzyrea     but we are not touching cataloging :/
22:08 cait         and pull down menus with yui :(
22:08 cait         she can't use them
22:08 wizzyrea     oh yea pulldowns are terribad
22:08 jcamins      cait: you make it sound like there might be anything right about cataloging.
22:09 cait         jcamins: we don't use it really ;)
22:09 jcamins      Heh.
22:09 cait         well, actually this library does
22:09 cait         they have a lot of locally catalogued materials
22:10 cait         wizzyrea: I was hoping the jquery menu would come along and make things better, but it seems even oleonard gave up on it
22:10 cait         maybe providing a nicer fallback could be done somehow
22:10 cait         not sure
22:11 eythian      oh yeah, we've had the menu thing come up. The cart dropdown is not usable on the OPAC either
22:11 cait         I think the fallback for the cart is, that it's not even there if you have no javascript
22:12 cait         but if you have javascript at some rate.... it's probably a problem
22:12 cait         libsysguy: around?
22:12 libsysguy    yes?
22:12 cait         could you take a look at bug 9126 maybe?
22:12 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9126 critical, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Receiving orders create too much items
22:13 cait         it#s from biblibr and I have signed off.... so  that limits our options somehow :)
22:13 cait         and it's a critical bug
22:13 libsysguy    :'(
22:13 cait         why are you giving me the sad smiley?
22:14 libsysguy    I'm using my test box for writing selenium test atm
22:14 cait         it has a nice test plan!!
22:14 libsysguy    hehe
22:14 libsysguy    let me save and apply
22:14 cait         and it's not big code changes
22:14 cait         cool thx
22:15 cjh          cait: sorry back, yeah pulldowns from menu in yui are useless with screen readers
22:16 cait         terribad.
22:16 cjh          they appears as links (ie 'more') and the dropdown isnt near, not sure if we can fix that though.
22:16 cait         yeah I thought it was difficult
22:16 cjh          what we are looking at first is circ feedback, as many of the messages are ages away from the input field and are not headers (so difficult to find)
22:16 cait         those are the 2 main things that were reported to me... and both not easy
22:17 cait         cjh: I think every bit of improvement will be great :)
22:18 cait         hm only 10 more to catch up to jonathan...
22:18 cjh          possibly for the dropdown we could replace yui and write our own js that does it 'right'
22:19 cjh          all it would really involve is making the html close and obvious, prob also adding context to the dropdown ie 'more tools (dropdown)'
22:20 cait         making some first notes on a bug woudl be good too I think
22:20 cait         ok :) sleep time here
22:20 cait         bye all :)
22:21 cjh          goodnight!
22:21 cait         @wunder Konstanz
22:21 huginn       cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 0.0°C (11:00 PM CET on January 14, 2013). Conditions: Snow Grains. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Falling).
22:22 cait         snow grains... hm.
22:22 libsysguy    cait I have a clean install and for whatever reason i keep getting an error to define a budget even though one is defined
22:22 cait         is your budget marked active?
22:22 libsysguy    si
22:22 libsysguy    err yes
22:22 cait         there is a little checkbox
22:22 cait         do you have a fund defined for your budget?
22:22 libsysguy    yes
22:22 cait         that is current (start time - end time)
22:23 cait         hm
22:23 jcamins      libsysguy: wait a few weeks and it'll magically start working.
22:23 cait         try makig the user your own library
22:23 jcamins      Yes, I'm serious.
22:23 wizzyrea     ^^
22:23 cait         the library you are loggedin with/home library of your user
22:23 libsysguy    well i am the admin user
22:23 eythian      don't be the admin user
22:23 jcamins      Yeah, that won't work.
22:23 cait         yep
22:23 libsysguy    soab
22:23 cait         never be the admin user
22:23 cait         soab?
22:24 jcamins      Also, you still might need to just wait.
22:24 libsysguy    cait its profanity :p
22:24 cait         acq is especially picky about that
22:24 cjh          cait: son of a b....
22:24 cait         aaaah
22:24 libsysguy    yes
22:24 eythian      admin user should only be used for admin tasks
22:24 * libsysguy  doesn't want to not be the root user :p
22:24 cjh          heh
22:24 eythian      many things just don't work
22:24 libsysguy    i think that is the case with or without being the admin user :p
22:25 cait         can you show me a screenshot of your fund?
22:25 cait         on your acq start page
22:25 cait         do you see a fund in the table?
22:25 libsysguy    it has to be because of the admin user thing
22:26 jcamins      libsysguy: it's working now?
22:26 libsysguy    it may…after I define a patron cateogry, create a patron etc
22:26 libsysguy    what a pita
22:26 wahanui      a pita is pain in the arse or a kind of bread, usually with pockets
22:27 jcamins      lol
22:29 libsysguy    ah yup, didn't like root
22:29 wizzyrea     version control using git
22:29 wahanui      hmmm... version control using git is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git
22:30 jcamins      oh no
22:30 jcamins      no
22:30 wizzyrea     the first question?
22:30 wahanui      "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
22:30 wizzyrea     report library
22:30 wahanui      well, report library is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/3.2_SQL_Reports_Library
22:30 jcamins      I can't remember the cue for the funny picture eythian taught wahanui.
22:30 eythian      neither can I
22:30 wizzyrea     sighs. slackers.
22:31 jcamins      me?
22:31 wahanui      you are, like, very, very irascible
22:31 jcamins      me?
22:31 wahanui      somebody said jcamins was RM for 3.12, and just about the only one crazy enough to work on major projects in both authorities and search.
22:32 cait         me?
22:32 wahanui      you are qam, not your secretary
22:33 cait         libsysguy: that's why I try to avoid resetting my database all that often...
22:34 libsysguy    I had to for the nginx code :'(
22:34 * cait       sends you a cooki
22:34 cait         e
22:34 cait         really have to go now :) bye again all :)
22:34 libsysguy    aww thanks
22:34 libsysguy    later
23:16 wizzyrea     me?
23:16 wahanui      rumour has it wizzyrea is a Cylon, and they all have plans
23:16 wizzyrea     KEKE
23:55 MrAgent075   Does anyone have an opinion on which size is better?
23:55 MrAgent075   Either http://academy13.catalyst.net.nz/option1.png OR http://academy13.catalyst.net.nz/option12png
23:55 MrAgent075   *http://academy13.catalyst.net.nz/option2.png
23:56 jcamins      I don't think I have a strong preference.
23:58 wizzyrea     i wish oleonard was around