Time Nick Message 21:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7804 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , Add Koha Plugin System 21:16 jcamins oleonard: if you really wanted to embed a server-side Java host I suppose you could, once bug 7804 gets pushed. 21:15 oleonard Plugins in Koha? Does that mean Koha can run Java now? :P 21:12 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @27point7: "des plugins dans Koha? en voila une idée qu'elle est bonne. Curieux de tester ça... http://t.co/AGwS0aWe #kohails" 21:03 rambutan One of my goals is to swap out all of our checkout computers running Windows to Linux computers 21:02 rambutan but that computer has never demonstrated the problem 21:02 rambutan I have one user, my "least technically-inclined" using a Linux computer, and while she uses it for checkout as needed, it's not one of the primary checkout computers 21:01 rambutan when my TS manager (Koha Queen) returns I presume she'll make the Koha syspref change, and we'll see what that does 21:00 oleonard If it happens so often it should be all the more easy to demonstrate 21:00 rambutan seems the problem occurs much more frequently than I had realized; the staff had simply stopped reporting the problem 20:59 rambutan seems the browser fix didn't 20:58 * oleonard points 20:58 oleonard I'm right here! 20:57 huginn rambutan: oleonard was last seen in #koha 1 hour, 6 minutes, and 56 seconds ago: <oleonard> Things which shouldn't be required, or dependencies which aren't listed? 20:57 rambutan @seen oleonard 20:15 jcamins Yeah, things that shouldn't be required. 20:15 jcamins Sorry, got distracted. 19:50 oleonard Things which shouldn't be required, or dependencies which aren't listed? 19:50 jcamins (in the 00-strict test) 19:50 jcamins I reported a bunch of bugs about those various errors. 19:50 jcamins Now I remember. 19:50 jcamins Oh yeah. 19:49 oleonard Can't locate HTTPD/Bench/ApacheBench.pm 19:33 jcamins If you run each of those individually, it will tell you which tests failed. 19:32 jcamins Hrm. 19:32 oleonard Yes 19:32 jcamins That's what you get on clean master? 19:31 pastebot "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Test summary report" (29 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/359 19:31 oleonard The "test summary report" or all the output? 19:29 jcamins What's the error output from the test? 19:28 jcamins Hmmm... that's weird, then. 19:28 oleonard about.pl only reports Data::Pagination missing 19:28 jcamins And generally what they tried to load and failed to. 19:28 jcamins *failed 19:28 jcamins oleonard: yeah, in the output of that test it'll say what files missed. 19:28 oleonard missing perl modules jcamins? 19:25 cait have a nice weekend everyone :) 19:25 jcamins Probably that is an issue with missing dependencies. 19:24 oleonard etc 19:24 oleonard t/db_dependent/00-strict.t (Wstat: 512 Tests: 580 Failed: 2) 19:24 oleonard handle db test failures? 19:24 druthb It's cloudy here, but very comfortable 19:23 oleonard Okay so how to 19:23 oleonard Too good to be normal anyway. 19:22 magnuse oleonard: too good to be true? ;-) 19:22 oleonard Freakishly nice outside today. 19:22 magnuse ^^ what she said 19:22 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in OHDOT 31-Athens County Garage, Athens, Ohio is 15.6°C (1:51 PM EST on January 11, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014 hPa (Rising). 19:22 oleonard @wunder 45701 19:21 cait ew 19:17 jcamins Heh. Oooh, yeah, I forgot that Evergreen involves Windows executables. 19:16 gmcharlt having to occassionally battle with Windows executables will do that to a project 19:16 jcamins Apparently the Evergreen folks dislike Microsoft more than we do. 19:16 huginn jcamins: Karma for "microsoft" has been increased 0 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of -3. 19:16 jcamins @karma microsoft 18:52 * chris_n dares to hope the upgrade really went as smoothly as it appears to have on the surface 18:50 jcamins And I take dinner invitations very seriously! 18:48 rangi hehe 18:48 rangi bgkriegel++ 18:48 jcamins I would've invited you for dinner, if you were that close! 18:47 jcamins Aww. 18:47 * rangi is waiting for the kids to get dressed 18:47 rangi thats brooklyn wellington btw, not ny :) 18:46 rangi 400km more to go today, then home 18:46 rangi http://www.mobilytrip.com/journals/mGQMU9RX3gTzarUJmq1a9qGQg 18:41 jcamins That's a good reason. 18:40 jcamins Right. 18:40 jcamins Oh. 18:40 magnuse yeah, you said that would break things for everyone else :-) 18:40 jcamins was there a reason I didn't revert it? 18:40 magnuse i have a vague feeling i know what you are thinkinbg about, but i can't recall it 18:39 jcamins Oh... 18:39 magnuse not that i have seen 18:37 jcamins I thought there was a patch for that? 18:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9256 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Search is broken for 3.10 package-installs when marcflavour != marc21 18:35 * magnuse would have done that too if it were'nt for bug 9256 18:34 jcamins chris_n administratorsnack Xanax and hard liquor 18:33 jcamins chris_n++ 18:33 * chris_n takes the plunge and moves his production box to 3.10.x 18:19 jcamins I go nuts looking for the conflict marker, then realize it's in a file that is no longer git controlled. 18:19 * oleonard needs to be more careful about leaving things lying around after testing things 18:18 jcamins I've had that happen to me before. 18:18 oleonard That must have been it jcamins 18:06 oleonard Oh could it? I'll check what I have lying around. 18:05 jcamins Ooh, it could also be a non-git file that has a merge conflict. 18:04 jcamins Are you sure you didn't apply a patch? 18:04 jcamins Passes for me. 18:03 jcamins The 00-valid-xml is probably a translation, and I'm not sure what's with the merge-conflict-markers. 18:01 oleonard t/00-valid-xml.t (Wstat: 256 Tests: 141 Failed: 1) 18:01 oleonard t/00-merge-conflict-markers.t (Wstat: 256 Tests: 4971 Failed: 1) 18:01 oleonard prove t/ fails for me too 16:44 kf have a nice weekend all! 16:23 gaetan_B bye! 16:23 Viktor Well - I'm heading out to the computer repair shop to give our laptop some love. Thanks for all the help! 16:19 druthb :) 16:19 Viktor druthb Glad to have someone to recieve the files and make the whole thing roll :) 16:18 Viktor Hm. I am migrating a library this year that is only allowed to use IE. Oh well. Good to know about the bugs at least. 16:13 reiveune bye 16:07 vfernandes they uses IE a lot :/ damn IE... the worst nightmare... 16:06 kf where the back button can make you lose your session 16:06 kf I think there is a known problem with IE 16:06 kf vfernandes: itis :( 16:06 vfernandes but is strange they are losing their sessions 16:05 druthb you bet, Viktor. :) Glad to have you and the Swedish translation team working! 16:05 vfernandes kf I use two different browsers and it work 16:05 Viktor Understanding stuff makes me sleep better so thanks for the clarification kf druthb :) 16:04 vfernandes sorry kf i was at one call... 16:04 Viktor :) 16:03 druthb Correct, even 16:03 druthb Correc 16:03 Viktor Which is of course why I don't se any en_US files - they are not on Pootle but the stuff we translate from(?) 16:03 Viktor :) 16:02 druthb Freakin' American arrogance...take over the universe... 16:02 kf ;) 16:02 druthb I *know*.... 16:02 kf druthb: it should be en_NZ yo uknow... 16:02 druthb en_US is the presumptive "native" language. 16:02 kf no po files 16:02 kf they are not on pootle :) strings are in the files 16:02 Viktor Which one is the "native" files? 16:01 kf yes, same thing - Koha uses en - those are variations of the standard translations 16:01 Viktor Even NZ translation has a few items left. 16:01 druthb en_NZ is complete for 3.10, which is good. We spell things differently, and there are a fair number of other differences. 16:01 kf different spelling and use of terms 16:00 druthb en_UK, you mean? 16:00 Viktor I've been meaning to ask: How come the english translations isn't complete? It puzzles me 16:00 druthb I'm also going to be working on kicking all the .PO files *out* of the main Koha repo, and into its' own. But I still want it to be *super* easy to add new languages and manage languages in Koha. 15:59 druthb yes. 15:59 kf it will be good for starting tests earlier too 15:58 kf :) 15:58 druthb kf: When I get back from vacation, I'm going to make the 3.12 project, and see where we stand. I'd like to have a "String update" every little while, so that you don't have to hurry so much after string freeze. 15:57 druthb yes! And there are a bunch of koha bugs out there that relate to better handling of more-than-one language at once--true multilingualism--that I'd like to see addressed. 15:57 kf druthb: there are no translations for 3.12 yet :) 15:57 Viktor druthb Ooh - that would be great. One of the advantages of Koha is being able to switch to patrons native language. 15:56 kf got you :) 15:56 druthb I'm just talking about the 3.10/3.12 level; going back to 3.8 might be useful, 3.6 and before, less so. 15:56 kf hm 3.6 maybe, but not 3.4 15:56 * kf won't complete translations for 3.4 and 3.6 15:56 kf ah right 15:55 kf druthb: ah, we won't reach complete for german 15:55 druthb German is complete; Swiss German is *close* 15:55 druthb There are several that are in striking distance of complete--Swiss German, Italian, French, Spanish, Brazilian Portuguese. 15:55 kf and German and Swiss German should be in your list too :) 15:55 kf druthb++ :) 15:54 Viktor druthb So Turkish and Swedish would make it 7 at least? Norwegian is coming along well also I think(?) 15:54 kf vfernandes: could it be browser settings? are they using IE? 15:54 kf vfernandes: very handy for testing things as user and change configuration at the same time - so that should not be the problem 15:53 kf vfernandes: i often log in with 2 different accounts in 2 different browsers 15:52 Viktor druthb We have the most wonderful translators - I'll have to share that good Karma with them :) 15:52 druthb For 3.10, we currently have five languages listed as "Complete", and I have files from the Turkish team to update, which will complete that, I think. I would *love* to see ten languages "Complete" for the 3.12 release. 15:51 Viktor vfernandes But I can't imagine same IP being a problem. Lots of people should be behind firewalls showing the same IP outwards. 15:51 druthb much good Karma, Viktor--I *love* seeing translations making big progress jumps like this. 15:50 Viktor vfernandes Intersting! I'll listen to any answers since I have no idea 15:50 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #38: "<owen> Holy Bugzilla activity explosion, Batman!" (added by ricardo at 02:00 PM, October 07, 2009) 15:50 gmcharlt @quote random 15:50 Viktor druthb Thanks - I'll save them for last but take care to get them done. 15:49 vfernandes the librarians are claiming that the session is always falling and I suspect that is from access of two or more librarian into the staff client with the same IP 15:48 vfernandes can two different persons access to Staff client with the same IP? 15:48 druthb It's an addon file for the staff client--system preferences descriptions. 15:48 Viktor Hi vfernandes 15:48 Viktor druthb But what does the pref.po files contain? 15:48 vfernandes I'm having a big problem... 15:47 vfernandes hi guys 15:47 Viktor druthb Sweet! I'll check those last ones myself. It's Norwegian lines coming from the use of NORMARC. 15:46 druthb Viktor: I see your update; now only 527 words left in OPAC 3.10. Great job! 15:46 Viktor Funding is always welcome :) 15:45 libysysguy she wants the funding too :p 15:45 druthb yes, libysysguy. you should. 15:45 libysysguy I should put Anna to work 15:45 druthb That is excellent news, Viktor! Please do let me know if you need anything from my end; it's ironic that the Translation Manager only speaks English--but any of the techie bits you need, I'm your girl. :) 15:44 Viktor druthb We are planning to translate the full staff interface too this spring. Just waiting for new funding that is approved but has yet to arrive. 15:43 druthb try now? 15:43 Viktor :) 15:43 druthb wup! Lemme fix. :) 15:43 Viktor druth Hm, seems I lost the rights to view the project at all. 15:42 druthb Viktor++ # I am pleased as pie to have another active translator, in *any* language! 15:41 druthb (there's a radio button option for that.) 15:41 druthb Okay, that's set for all Swedish versions. If you log out and back in, then re-upload your OPAC file, it should overlay. 15:40 druthb (I can also make it where your uploaded file overwrites existing suggestions, by the way, which would speed things along for you.) 15:40 Viktor druthb Thank you! At the moment I'm the only one working on it so I guess it'll have to be me. 15:39 druthb Viktor, there isn't anyone listed in the Swedish project to approve suggestions. If you're willing to take on that role, I'm willing to grant it to you. 15:38 druthb Yes, that's what it does on an upload, when there are differences. Let me look at something. 15:38 Viktor I only upload every few years so I kind of forget how to do it right between times :) 15:38 druthb You *did* do a nice big upload, Viktor; I see it! 15:37 Viktor druthb Problem is that it is still only 47% translated. The rest seems to be stuck as suggestions. 15:37 Viktor Thanks anyhow libysysguy :) 15:36 Viktor Great druthb 15:36 libysysguy well I saw Swedish and got excited 15:36 druthb too slow, libysysguy. 15:36 libysysguy dang I was almost able to announce her 15:36 libysysguy that would be druthb Viktor 15:36 druthb :) 15:36 druthb I manage the Pootle server, Viktor. : 15:35 Viktor Uploaded a (very nearly) complete .po of the Swedish Opac. 15:34 Viktor Little bit of a long shot, but there anyone online that's familiar with the Pootle server? 15:33 Viktor Hi! 15:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7804 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Add Koha Plugin System 15:31 khall new edition of plugin system bug 7804 ready for testing! Note the updated test plan now has fewer steps! 15:25 * magnuse wanders off to make pizza 15:25 magnuse oh well, maybe tomorrow... 15:24 magnuse <host>__ZEBRA_SRU_HOST__</host> 15:23 magnuse i see stuff like <xi:include href="__KOHA_CONF_DIR__/zebradb/explain-authorities.xml" 15:23 magnuse gah, why does koha-conf.xml have placeholders in it when i create new instances? koha 3.8.8 running off the official packages 15:03 kf maybe look at some other places? there should be a \n somewhere in addbiblio 15:03 gerundio oleonard, got it now :) 15:03 * oleonard would have to test 15:03 kf oleonard: not totally sure :( 15:03 oleonard ? 15:03 oleonard StrAlert += ("\t* " + _("Field ")) 15:03 kf gerundio: for javascript only those things will get into the po file that are marked with _() 15:03 oleonard Hm, does that need parentheses? 15:03 oleonard StrAlert += "\t* " + _("Field ") 15:02 gerundio I didn't quite get kf's solution 15:01 kf and we should fix all those up for the next version ideally 15:01 kf so it doesn't tab... but there will be nothing weird showing up 15:01 kf what you can do is translate without the tab 15:01 jcamins I don't see why you can't use kf's solution. 15:00 kf gerundio: there is a fix - but it will not help you immediately 15:00 gerundio so there's no fix right, just the workaround to replacing by hand? 15:00 kf eew 15:00 oleonard StrAlert += _("\t* Field ") 15:00 gerundio my issue was in cataloguing/addbiblio.tt 14:59 oleonard I see instances in authorities\authorities.tt and cataloguing\addbiblio.tt which look like they need to be corrected. 14:58 oleonard What file has the problem gerundio, and what version? 14:58 kf hm if it is the same bug that is 14:57 kf so pootle picks only up the first part, but not the \t 14:57 kf _(translated string) + "does not need to be translated part" 14:57 kf it's old so if you want to fix it what I did was 14:57 kf gerundio: the bug is somewhere... but I can't find it 14:56 gerundio but the people who reported it to me sent me screenshots from their Chrome and FF with the issue showing up 14:55 gerundio coolest thing though, the error wasn't reproducible in my Chrome or FF, just in IE 14:53 gerundio kf++ 14:53 gerundio jcamins++ 14:51 kf hm not waht i was looking for :) 14:51 huginn kf: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3013 normal, P5 - low, ---, salva, REOPENED , Value builder for 006 and 008 need choices for all format types 14:51 huginn kf: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8847 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Cataloguing doesn't work after installing ru-RU translation 14:51 huginn kf: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8366 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Meaning of "All" in issuing rules 14:51 huginn kf: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7808 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , http://debian.koha-community.org/dists/squeeze/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz file not found 14:51 huginn kf: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4042 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bob, NEW , Public OPAC search can fall prey to web crawlers 14:51 kf @query all translation \n 14:50 kf but that's been a while ago and I didn't think of \t 14:50 kf I couldn't fix it, so I fixed every \n i found in the source code instead 14:50 kf automagically 14:49 kf because pootle does double escape them 14:49 gerundio kf for the win :) 14:49 kf don't use things like \n and \t in translatable text :( 14:49 gerundio but the EN addbiblio.tt file shows "\t* Field" in line 226 14:49 kf it's a known bug 14:49 jcamins That is weird! 14:49 gerundio weird part now is that the source text has \\t too 14:48 gerundio jcamins++ 14:48 gerundio with the addiotional \ it showed 14:48 gerundio jcamins, I've tried searching for \t* Field and nothing came up 14:48 samuel ok, i look the manual at the same time. For Match threshold, is it 100 by default? 14:47 jcamins gerundio: try searching for "\\t" in the po file. 14:47 gerundio I narrowed it down to line 226 of the addbiblio.tt file 14:46 jcamins samuel: looks like you can just leave subfields blank. 14:46 gerundio there's a \t showing up where there should be just a tab 14:46 gerundio http://i.imgur.com/Zs4Er.png 14:46 gerundio guys, can you help me find the translation line number for the following problem? 14:44 samuel i'm trying to write a matching rule for my items. The matching point is the field 001 (it's a number), is it a problem if i've not subfield? 14:22 * druthb beams at oleonard. 14:20 jcamins Hello. 14:20 kf hi jcamins 14:14 oleonard That's what we love about druthb, always perky! 14:01 * druthb perks 13:58 samuel i've just created a marc file. The link can be done with the 001 field but i have to define the good matching rule 13:57 kf then you can tell the import add items / don't overlay record 13:57 magnuse druthb might have some tips too :-) 13:56 kf but you will need something to match on 13:56 kf is create rudimentary marc records with 995 from your items csv 13:56 kf what you coudl also do 13:56 kf marc-mir is not in Koha, but I have heard about it on code4lib I think 13:56 kf I don't know what those modules can do 13:55 samuel yes, that's what i think,, maybe with marc-mir or marc-transform, i could solve the problem? 13:54 magnuse i think those are the main options 13:49 samuel ok 13:42 kf hm someone else might have a better idea tho 13:42 kf or you write a script to add them using koha internal functions I think 13:41 kf either you add the items to your bilbiographic records 13:41 kf there is no tool currently 13:41 kf for the imported records 13:41 kf the problem is, when you write the items in the database directly, you will need the biblionumbers 13:41 kf oh 13:40 samuel kf & wahanui: we have import bibliographic records without any problems. The items are in a separate file (it's a csv file).The goal is to link bibliographic records and items records. I've worked with marc edit, which was a bad idea. 13:38 Dyrcona hi 13:38 kf hi Dyrcona 13:38 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" 13:38 kf first question? 13:37 kf no, not using tools in Koha. 13:34 samuel is it possible to import in koha items which are in a csv file? 13:34 kf hi samuel 13:29 samuel hi everybody 13:23 kf :) 13:23 kf hi oleonard 13:22 oleonard Hi #koha 13:02 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @27point7: "@SoniaBouis @jsicot tout frais tout chaud https://t.co/2OTPZgg3 #kohails" 10:49 vkm please advise how to upgrade it, should i use ubuntu package installation on 12.04 and restore the database of 3.6.4 10:47 vkm used live cd by vimal kumar for 3.6.4 on ubuntu 10.04 which is working fine 10:45 vkm LIVE CD/DVD 10:43 magnuse vkm: how did you install koha? packages, tarball, git? 10:43 magnuse vkm: 3.8.8 has had a long time to stabilize, while 3.10.1 is quite fresh and might have unknown bugs still. i would recommend a test upgrade to 3.10.1 and then a thorough check that no problems affect the features you actually use 10:42 magnuse vkm: there are two stable versions: 3.8.8 and 3.10.1. 10:41 magnuse i think op=and means koha sees "and" as a boolean operator, not a search term 10:40 gerundio the result I mentioned before with the highlighted "and" does have one search keyword in the subject 10:40 magnuse gerundio: yup 10:39 gerundio they refer that the bug seems to be the highlight and not the results per se 10:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6149 trivial, P5 - low, ---, savitra.sirohi, In Discussion , Operator Highlighted in Search Results 10:38 magnuse gerundio: there is bug 6149 - not so recent... 10:37 vkm hello, can i upgrade 3.6.4 to latest stable version directly and which is most recommonded stable version at present 10:37 gerundio let me search bz then :) 10:37 magnuse yeah, i seem to remember a recent bug report about that 10:36 gerundio nevertheless the results show Fernanda and Fernandes with the "and" highlighted 10:36 gerundio looking at the URL of my search query I see the "and" being sent as the GET variable op 10:35 gerundio ohh 10:35 magnuse gerundio: i think zebra does not have a concept of stop words 10:35 gerundio take this as an example: https://opac.fct.unl.pt/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=kw&q=disserta%C3%A7%C3%A3o&op=and&idx=kw&q=matem%C3%A1tica&op=and&idx=kw&do=Search&sort_by=relevance 10:34 gerundio magnuse, when you say "zebra is supposed to not use stopwords", you mean that the behavior I'm describing shouldn't happen? 10:33 vkm hello, can i upgrade 3.6.4 to latest stable version directly 10:32 magnuse jcamins_away will know the details... :-) 10:32 magnuse zebra is supposed to not use stopwords, i think 10:29 gerundio the only setting I find is QueryRemoveStopwords which only applies when Zebra is off 10:28 gerundio is there any way to correct this behavior? 10:28 gerundio I just got to now that the search in Koha using Zebra is returning results with stopwords 10:26 gerundio hi, good morning 09:41 magnuse :-) 09:41 magnuse Oak 09:28 Oak magnuse 09:28 * Oak waves 09:28 magnuse i just tested, and the manually created passwords are *kept*, both when the new import does not include a password column, and when the new import contains a password column but it is empty :-) 08:45 magnuse yeah, i guess i should test that - will do! 08:45 kf and a retest might be good to make sure (working with older versions here) 08:45 kf it might not get overwritten if you don't have the field in your second batch 08:45 kf as long as you have the field on your import file 08:44 kf in my experience 08:44 kf yes 08:43 magnuse if i import a batch of patrons with a username but no password, then set the passwords manually and then do a new import with possibly updated data but still no passwords, choosing to match on cardnumber and "Overwrite the existing one with this" - will the manually entered passwords be emptied? 08:40 magnuse yes please :-) 08:40 kf we need more sun :) 08:40 kf we are weak 08:37 magnuse yup, because the sun has probably been gone longer here than for you guys :-) 08:34 kf magnuse: evil laughter? :) 08:27 magnuse moahaha 08:27 magnuse yeah druthb++ 08:20 kf I can hear you 08:19 drojf i saw the sun for a minute, that was weird. has been a while :D 08:19 kf we got clear sky this morning, it's so nice after the foggy days 08:19 kf oh no 08:19 drojf we got snow :( 08:19 kf and good morning #koha :) 08:19 kf hi drojf 08:18 drojf hi kf 08:17 kf druthb++ # translation manager work :) 08:17 kf druthb 08:13 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is -0.2°C (8:43 AM CET on January 11, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). 08:13 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 08:13 drojf good morning #koha 08:11 gaetan_B hello 07:55 jajm hello 07:40 reiveune salut magnuse :) 07:39 magnuse bonjour reiveune 07:38 reiveune hello 07:30 magnuse mib_vczt1x: still around? 07:29 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -3.0°C (8:20 AM CET on January 11, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: -9.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Rising). 07:29 magnuse @wunder boo 07:29 * magnuse waves 06:22 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 2.0°C (7:00 AM CET on January 11, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Rising). 06:22 cait @wunder konstanz 05:47 cait morning #koha 05:44 bag evening 04:54 mib_vczt1x need some directions 04:53 mib_vczt1x ive done so before but i dont remember to process 04:53 mib_vczt1x i want to contribute some documentation 04:52 mib_vczt1x any admin available? 04:51 mib_vczt1x merry new year 04:51 mib_vczt1x hey guys 03:45 jcamins Good night, #koha. 03:45 jcamins Right, time to head to bed I think. 03:23 WaylonR ahh 03:20 jcamins It can, it's just that the current Solr implementation isn't. 03:18 WaylonR Solr can't be DOM level? 03:14 jcamins However, I'll address making sure that my proposed work on Solr will be an improvement in the proposal. :) 03:13 jcamins Since using GRS-1 is commonly acknowledged as one of the worst search-related decisions made in Koha's history, that's... not so good. 03:13 jcamins Optimistically, there is a slight chance that the way Solr indexes are configured might work almost as well as GRS-1. 03:12 WaylonR ahh 03:12 jcamins That's fair. 03:12 jcamins The way we _use_ Solr introduces a whole other set of problems. 03:12 WaylonR hmm. 03:11 jcamins Solr doesn't introduce problems any more than Zebra does. 03:11 jcamins Actually, that's not fair. 03:11 WaylonR hmm? 03:11 jcamins Unfortunately, Solr also introduces a whole other set of problems. 03:10 WaylonR yeah, that looks like it would make the ICU rules obsolete. 03:05 WaylonR ahh 03:05 jcamins It's a stemming algorithm. 03:05 WaylonR Light-10? 03:04 jcamins Cool! Looks like Solr supports Light-10. 03:03 * WaylonR wasn't the one who configured the icu rules. 03:03 WaylonR right. 03:03 jcamins I mean, you wouldn't need an ICU configuration file like that with Solr, but I think you would need an equivalent file. 03:02 jcamins I don't think so. 03:01 WaylonR but with the new stemming modules, and solr, they might become unneeded? 03:01 WaylonR jcamins, yeah, some stemming going on i think. 02:59 jcamins Awesome ICU rules, though. 02:59 jcamins Okay, the Zebra customizations I'm seeing are fairly minimal. 02:52 jcamins Well, the configuration files will be different, but in theory it should be possible to make an exactly equivalent configuration in Solr. 02:52 WaylonR so, the same config is possible in Solr? 02:51 jcamins Got it, thanks. 02:51 WaylonR sent, jcamins 02:43 jcamins Yeah, just etc/zebradb 02:42 WaylonR okay, hmm.. ill just tar up zebradb, sans databases? 02:42 jcamins Thanks. 02:42 WaylonR sure. oh, and we have 773 with journal, journal issue, article and page numbers, too. 02:41 WaylonR peer ref is just a bool to say if a biblio describes a peer reviewed/referee'd article. 02:40 jcamins Would you be able to send that to me? That would help me make sure that my proposal covers everything you need. 02:40 WaylonR yes, we do. 02:40 jcamins I guess you must, since you mentioned a peerref: search prefix. 02:40 WaylonR [off] But Mandumah.com has alot of universities that cannot implement better security, so want referer auth. Should be shot but yeah.. money's money. 02:39 jcamins Do you have a custom Zebra configuration? 02:39 WaylonR extremely. 02:39 jcamins Aren't referer headings easy to spoof? 02:38 jcamins Goodness. 02:38 WaylonR http://opencast.3480289.n2.nabble.com/Authentication-and-authorization-by-referer-td7581917.html for instance. 02:36 WaylonR well.. many places use referer's as the only authentication. 02:36 WaylonR its basically koha's version of iptable rules, except this one matches any allow rule.. unless it matches a overriding deny rule 02:35 jcamins (the concept of using referer for authentication) 02:34 jcamins WaylonR: that concept horrifies me, but the patch seems like a very good idea. 02:34 WaylonR but if they want to set a account to only authenticate from a ip address (or a ip address range), that will work too. 02:34 jcamins Exactly! 02:34 bag there we go 02:34 bag it could help koha! 02:34 bag and strip couldn't - that shouldn't be used either 02:34 WaylonR so.. if a admin is stupid enough to want to just use a referer as a authentication factor, they can. 02:33 bag there's the wrong word jcamins - "hurt" my bad 02:33 WaylonR Anyway, im currently working on code to authenticate using any permutation of ip address/virtualhost/referer 02:32 bag and done correctly it couldn't hurt koha at all 02:32 WaylonR okay, well.. i guess ill include it then. 02:32 jcamins I think there would definitely be interest in that feature, WaylonR. 02:32 WaylonR hmmm? 02:32 jcamins Like "here is a regression, here is an anti-regression." 02:32 bag WaylonR: I could think of a few people that would like that 02:32 jcamins You were thinking of it as a noun. :) 02:31 bag maybe I have a different definition of anti-regression 02:31 WaylonR Im not sure that code that picks up a user's set virtualhost (in a borrower_attributes) and redirects the user to the right virtualhost, will be that useful for the community, would it? 02:31 bag heh - agreed jcamins 02:30 WaylonR or at least, the ones that will be interesting enough for the koha community. 02:30 jcamins bag: nonsense. "Anti-regression" is what people picketing software developers' offices with the signs "NO MORE REGRESSIONS!" believe in. 02:30 WaylonR I will be doing both. 02:30 bag don't port - submit patches :P 02:30 WaylonR yeah, and no one else can do it. 02:30 jcamins Right. Unfortunately, I think you're probably stuck with that problem no matter what. 02:29 WaylonR only problem is, it'll work with only recent koha versions, which means i need to get back to my porting tasks. 02:29 bag anti-regression is impossible :P 02:29 WaylonR cool. 02:29 jcamins Right. My proposals are anti-regression, so you won't lose any current functionality. 02:28 bag just kidding thought I could be funny for a sec :P 02:28 bag let's randomly get koha to handle non-marc this weekend! 02:28 * WaylonR still needs to be able to specify search params other than keywords too, like branch:, fulltext: peerref: (which is in our current CCL setup) 02:27 jcamins It'll probably take me a day or two to address all the possible permutations, but I guess it's just about the weekend for you anyway. 02:27 jcamins Sounds good. 02:26 WaylonR Brilliant, thankyou very much. so.. write something that encompasses both emails, and also Solr as an option... need timeline, and cost. 02:26 jcamins Yeah, solr has a lot of promise, and would definitely be useful for you. 02:25 jcamins I will take the e-mail you forwarded as a basis and write a detailed specification of what I propose to do. 02:25 WaylonR and the whole online updates thing. 02:25 WaylonR We do actually want Solr, after hearing good things about it. 02:24 WaylonR or is that not what you mean? (okay, ive never actually written a formal coding proposal before)) 02:24 jcamins According to the Zebra documentation, Zebra will happily handle "tens of millions of records, tens of gigabytes of data." 02:24 WaylonR well.. can you use the email i forwarded as spec? 02:23 jcamins I didn't spec it out because no one one expressed an interest before, but if you want a spec and quote, I can definitely do that. 02:23 WaylonR hmmm. 02:23 jcamins It could be, certainly. 02:23 jcamins However, that is a huge amount of data, and massive records, and I am not certain what Zebra would do with that. 02:22 WaylonR so the fulltext search would be part of the search module rewrite? 02:22 WaylonR yeah, they are, it seems. Really impressive stuff. 02:22 jcamins And in terms of what would be best for your users, I think the option of fulltext search far and away wins. 02:21 WaylonR haha 02:21 jcamins In the sense of "I would only need to fill two whiteboards with scribbles to figure out how to do it." 02:21 jcamins Well, "trivial." 02:21 jcamins If Mandumah is rekeying all the text, it is even trivial. 02:20 jcamins It is absolutely possible to index the PDF fulltext. 02:20 jcamins I don't know what to recommend here, actually. 02:20 jcamins Also, question: *773*u? Not 856? 02:20 jcamins Static relevancy ranking would make it possible to use relevancy ranking _and_ that sort. 02:19 WaylonR wow, this is a really advanced concept. anyway.. full text searching idea.. what you think about the email i sent you? 02:19 WaylonR ahh. 02:19 WaylonR not the actual value of 773u. 02:19 jcamins The problem is that if you want relevancy ranking, you can't sort by anything else. 02:18 WaylonR as in, 773u true. 02:18 WaylonR hmm... was thinking a ccl sort by 773u would work? 02:18 jcamins I interpreted that as suggesting that you had non-fulltext hits as well. 02:17 jcamins Here: "as a second sorting factor –if possible- hits will full-text available to come first." 02:17 WaylonR ah.. fulltext first.. hmm... 02:17 jcamins Let me find the part in the e-mail that made me think you might need 3(b). 02:16 jcamins No, that's 1(f) and 3(c). 02:16 WaylonR "entered keywords in the title come first and the rest come after, as a second sorting factor"? 02:16 jcamins Probably 6-7 weeks. 02:16 jcamins Not the one you sent me just now. The previous one said something like "would it be possible to make Zebra sort so that fulltext came first?" 02:15 * WaylonR doublechecks? 02:15 WaylonR hmm? 02:15 WaylonR so, less 3b, what timescale then? 02:15 jcamins When you initially asked me about it, I had assumed that you didn't need static relevancy ranking, but the e-mail you forwarded suggested that it might be needed. 02:15 jcamins About that, yeah. 02:14 WaylonR Better relevancy ranking + Change the Advanced Search screen to use the new QueryParser + User-specified relevancy ranking + Static relevancy ranking = 9weeks? Considering our only media is pdf's, we may not need 3b. 02:13 jcamins However, I have never tried to load 1.25 billion words into a Zebra database. 02:13 jcamins In principle, Zebra can handle that volume of data. 02:11 jcamins I'd say for all four of them together it would probably take about 9 weeks total. 02:11 WaylonR hmm.. need to reread the item codes.. 02:10 jcamins However, the total for all of them would not be 16 weeks. 02:10 jcamins WaylonR: I actually included four items in the end for your mix-and-matching pleasure. 1(f) would take four weeks, 1(c) would take two weeks, 3(c) would take four weeks, and 3(b) would take six weeks. 02:05 WaylonR jcamins, also, what would be the total time for the two tasks you proposed in your proposal? 02:05 eythian this is true 02:05 jcamins WaylonR: thanks! 02:05 jcamins eythian: actually, that pretty much describes every issue with Zebra. 02:05 WaylonR jcamins, ill forward you, works email to me. 02:04 eythian ah, fair enough then 02:04 jcamins eythian: sure, we're just lazy. 02:04 WaylonR hmmm. 02:04 eythian orly 02:04 jcamins eythian: so's Zebra. 02:04 eythian that is the sort of thing that, in theory, solr is capable of. 02:04 jcamins If you take a look at Koha/Filter/MARC/EmbedSeeFromHeading.pm you'll see an example of a search filter. 02:03 jcamins It would require a fairly significant amount of work, as you would need to add a filter that parsed out the text from the PDF and inserted it into the records for indexing. 02:02 jcamins Hm. 02:02 WaylonR or how would i go about that? 02:02 WaylonR jcamins, okay, this search rewrite, how much extra work would it be to include full text (pdf) searching? 02:01 jcamins WaylonR: I am, yes. 01:35 WaylonR jcamins, you about? 01:35 WaylonR hiya all! 00:25 wizzyrea erm 00:21 wizzyrea 1 00:15 rambutan http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2230826/canonical-will-turn-ubuntu-1304-into-an-amazon-shopping-trolley 00:02 jcamins Bother. I can't figure out how to get it to work.