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04:27 * Oak        waves
04:28 druthb       Hi, Oak!
06:38 cait         good morning #koha
06:43 magnuse      hiya cait and #koha
06:47 cait         hiya magnuse
06:48 magnuse      @wunder boo
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07:04 magnuse      wow, 200 attendees at the meeting in portugal!
07:16 cait         nice :)
07:25 rangi        evening
07:25 cait         evening rangi
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07:48 reiveune     hello
07:54 magnuse      kia ora rangi
07:54 magnuse      ...and reiveune and lms
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09:02 H            All a happy year (in and out Koha)
09:04 asaurat      yeah!! happy new year :)
09:15 kf           Happy new year :)
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09:53 gerundio     good morning
09:53 gerundio     "An error has occurred. Thank you for your patience.
09:53 gerundio     Error accessing /var/www/Pootle/po/38/pt/pt-PT-pref.po, Filesystem sent error: Permission denied"
09:53 gerundio     still getting a permission denied error while trying to download translation files (http://translate.koha-community.org/pt/38/pt-PT-pref.po/download/)
09:55 vfernandes   hello all
09:55 kf           gerundio: I think druthb_away has to fix that, maybe drop her a mail
09:57 gerundio     good morning vfernandes
09:59 gerundio     kf, have no ideia what her mail address his :|
09:59 vfernandes   hi gerundio... yesterday I saw what maybe is a bug
09:59 gerundio     vfernandes, tell me about it
10:00 vfernandes   gerundio: go to your OPAC, do a search and check your refine search facets
10:00 vfernandes   look at authors... there is a double comma
10:00 vfernandes   I think it's that Koha is putting a extra comma in the tt file
10:00 gerundio     I see, always a double comma yes
10:01 vfernandes   in my 3.8 happens the same thing
10:01 vfernandes   I don't know if in 3.8 with MARC21 the same happens
10:02 kf           vfernandes: is that for unimarc or marc21?
10:02 kf           gerundio: you can see on bugzilla :)
10:03 gerundio     kf, it's UNIMARC
10:03 gerundio     and thanks for the tip on bz
10:05 kf           vfernandes: I am about to answer your mail on updating translation files
10:06 vfernandes   kf: thanks.... it's a UNIMARC installation
10:11 kf           vfernandes: mail sent :)
10:13 vfernandes   thanks kf
10:15 vfernandes   i will do it later... now it's time for XSLT
10:15 vfernandes   lolol
10:15 kf           fun :)
10:20 gerundio     is there any way to bulk update datelastseen for biblio items?
10:21 kf           I think you could maybe do it using the batch functionality
10:21 kf           but not sure if the field is available there
10:21 kf           or using the inventory module and a barcode file
10:22 kf           or update in items via sql and do a complete reindex
10:28 H            fighting with nullmailer here annyne had smtp: Failed: 550 5.7.1 Unable to relay
10:28 gerundio     kf, the Batch item modification feature doesn't allow the update of the datelastseen field :|
10:29 gerundio     not sure what you mean with "inventory module and a barcode file", could you add some detail to that please?
10:31 gerundio     I found the Inventory/Stocktaking under Tools, I guess that's what you meant, right?
10:31 kf           yep :)
10:32 kf           it's supposed to update the date last seen when you do the inventory, so I thought it could work - but not sure what you want to do
10:32 gerundio     that's exactly what I want to do
10:32 gerundio     I'll read the documentation on this feature to better understand it
10:32 gerundio     but I think this might do just what we want :)
10:32 kf           I haven't used it so far, only did some testing for sign-offs
10:32 gerundio     thanks a lot for the help
10:32 kf           np :)
10:34 magnuse      kf++
10:52 vfernandes   magnuse or kf are you using 3.8 and MARC21?
10:53 vfernandes   I want to check if the double comma in the authors facets are a bug or not
10:53 magnuse      vfernandes: 3.8 yes, marc21 no :-(
10:54 kf           3.6 and MARC21
10:57 vfernandes   ok... can you send me a link to your OPAC?
10:59 kf           we have lots :)
10:59 kf           [off] http://hfjs.bsz-bw.de
10:59 kf           as an example
11:18 vfernandes   ok in that there isn't the double comma problem
11:19 kf           maybe it's unimarc specific
11:20 vfernandes   maybe... i would like to check a 3.8 installation with MARC21
11:24 gerundio     vfernandes, try some on this list: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaUsers/NorthAmerica
11:25 gerundio     I tried the Toronto Friends (Quaker) Library at http://tmm.xxvii.net/
11:25 gerundio     on the notes it states it's using v3.8
11:26 gerundio     I assume those installations are using MARC21
11:26 kf           gerundio: if you are not sure about the version, check the source code
11:26 gerundio     there's no double comma issue there
11:26 kf           the version is always noted in a comment on top
11:26 gerundio     Koha 3.0804000 on that one
11:26 kf           cool :)
11:26 gerundio     how can I tell if it's MARC21 or UNIMARC?
11:27 kf           hm
11:27 kf           from the data I think
11:27 kf           look at the marc view or export as marcxml
11:27 kf           marc21 has the title in 245
11:27 kf           unimarc in 200 I think?
11:27 vfernandes   yes
11:27 vfernandes   unimarc title is field 200
11:28 kf           I think you might see it on the detail paes too, as they are different, but not sure where the differences are
11:28 kf           for america it should be marc21 tho
11:28 vfernandes   yes, the link that gerundio said is MARC21
11:29 vfernandes   i'm looking at the code of facet building...
11:30 kf           be careful
11:30 kf           could be dangerous :)
11:31 gerundio     kf, the title field does the trick, that installation has the title at 245 indeed
11:31 gerundio     vfernandes, http://lawlibrary.in.gov/ is also 3.8 MARC21
11:31 gerundio     same thing, just a single comma
11:32 vfernandes   {                 idx   => 'au',                 label => 'Authors',                 tags  => [ qw/ 700ab 701ab 702ab / ],                 sep   => ', ',             },
11:32 vfernandes   this is on Koha.pm
11:32 vfernandes   the problem is the sep
11:33 * kf         nods
11:33 kf           the code was not too long ago changed to make it posible to include different fields and different subfields
11:33 kf           it might be that it was forgotten to change that then
11:34 vfernandes   the problem is the following: 7XXa in UNIMARC is filled with "SURNAME,"
11:34 vfernandes   and when the separator is "," there will be a double comma
11:36 vfernandes   should I fill a bug and send a patch?
11:36 kf           vfernandes: of course :)
11:37 vfernandes   the patch is extra small... is only to change the sep to ' ' instead of ', '
11:38 vfernandes   but first I will confirm with a librarian if 70Xa if always filled with a comma
11:47 kf           hm german library statistic asks for the number of searches in the opac. hm.
11:49 WaylonR      hiya all!
11:50 kf           hi WaylonR
11:50 kf           happy new year :)
11:50 WaylonR      Happy new year to all.
11:51 WaylonR      Okay, my question of the day, koha 3.0.0, how do i make biblios with Titles with the search term in them, appear before purely keyword results, with the search term not in the title?
11:52 WaylonR      We are getting complaints of non-relevance, even though its the keywords that is matching, not the title.
11:52 WaylonR      or is this search ranking feature, only a possiblity in later versions?
11:54 vfernandes   bug 9341 - solved :)
11:54 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9341 major, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Needs Signoff , Problem with UNIMARC authors facets
11:54 kf           WaylonR: you might want to talk to jcamins_away about relevance ranking
11:55 kf           search rewrite?
11:55 wahanui      somebody said search rewrite was http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/C_&_P_Search_Rewrite_RFC
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12:02 vfernandes   i would like to see bug 1993 solved... :P
12:02 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1993 enhancement, P3, ---, sophie.meynieux, Failed QA , Task Scheduler Needs Re-write
12:04 gerundio     vfernandes, have you looked at the suggestions on the 3.8 translations?
12:04 gerundio     I submitted one a while ago
12:05 gerundio     and I see there are a few more waiting for moderation
12:06 vfernandes   for me it's quickly to change than do moderation
12:07 vfernandes   I know that are many suggestions but it's almost impossible to do moderation :/
12:09 vfernandes   but when I was doing the translation I used many suggestions
12:12 vfernandes   there is around 900 suggestions in OPAC
12:12 vfernandes   9 in staff
12:12 vfernandes   * 6 in staff
12:13 vfernandes   83 in prefs - in this I think that the suggestions aren't that good
12:15 vfernandes   by the way how it's possible to reject/accept suggestions?
12:15 vfernandes   :D
12:23 gerundio     don't really know, I guess you just copy + paste it and click submit
12:23 gerundio     btw, how can we use the Add comment feature
12:24 gerundio     I clicked it, inserted the text but then I don't know how to save it
12:24 vfernandes   that's what I do
12:24 kf           vfernandes: about 1993 - if you added a test plan this could move on
12:24 vfernandes   copy paste and submit
12:24 vfernandes   kf yes I added..
12:24 kf           and about suggestions
12:25 kf           you go to the review page
12:25 kf           look for the link to the list of suggestions there
12:25 kf           then there is an x and a... check thing you can click to moderate
12:25 kf           it will automatically copy the suggestion into the field when you accept
12:25 kf           and delete the suggestion when you x it
12:26 kf           you need permission to moderate suggestions to do so
12:26 kf           and to see them, the options
12:26 kf           if that's the problem we can fix it I think :)
12:27 gerundio     vfernandes, there are some suggestions that really don't make sense to me too
12:27 gerundio     kf, about the "Add Comment", how do we make it stick there? :)
12:29 kf           hm?
12:30 kf           sorry, brb
12:30 kf           and does one of you see the red/green buttons for moderating suggestions?
12:37 vfernandes   no
12:38 gerundio     I see the X button on my suggestion only
12:38 gerundio     I thought vfernandes would see it, as I thought is was the pt-PT translation moderator
12:39 gerundio     lunchtime now
12:39 gerundio     see you guys later
12:42 kf           vfernandes: i can check that, give me a moment
12:43 kf           we are talking about portugese, right?
12:50 kf           vfernandes: still around?
12:52 vfernandes   yes
12:52 vfernandes   can we talk later, i'm going out for lunch...
12:52 kf           ah, I have the admin panel open
12:52 kf           was pt right?
12:52 vfernandes   yes
12:53 kf           what's your user name on pootle?
12:53 vfernandes   vfernandes
12:55 kf           i will take a look
12:55 kf           go get your lunch :)
13:03 kf           @later tell vfernandes I gave you permissions - now you can review suggestions - use your new power with wisdom :)
13:03 huginn       kf: The operation succeeded.
13:05 kf           @later tell druthb I gave vfernandes permissions for pt language in pootle :)
13:05 huginn       kf: The operation succeeded.
13:10 druthb       :)
13:17 oleonard     Hi #koha
13:17 kf           hi druthb and oleonard :)
13:17 druthb       :)  Hi, oleonard. :)
13:23 kf           barriers is making me nervous
13:32 magnuse      kia ora oleonard trea barriers
13:32 druthb       kia ora, magnuse!
13:34 jcamins      WaylonR: there is nothing you can do about relevance ranking.
13:34 magnuse      hiya druthb
13:35 magnuse      hiya jcamins
13:35 druthb       Hi, jcamins!
13:36 WaylonR      jcamins, this is relevance ranking im refering to?
13:36 jcamins      Yes.
13:36 WaylonR      does relevance ranking exist in current koha?
13:36 jcamins      Not in any useful way, no.
13:36 jcamins      search rewrite?
13:36 wahanui      hmmm... search rewrite is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/C_&_P_Search_Rewrite_RFC
13:37 jcamins      Once the relevance-related portions of that are fully-funded I will fix it.
13:38 WaylonR      what about in zebra?
13:38 jcamins      What about Zebra?
13:38 WaylonR      relevance searching?
13:38 WaylonR      via zebra?
13:38 jcamins      Koha uses Zebra.
13:39 WaylonR      i mean, could i hardcode some CCL to do it?
13:39 jcamins      No.
13:39 jcamins      Well... I suppose if you were crazy you could.
13:39 jcamins      But you know how I've been right every time you've asked about taking a shortcut?
13:39 WaylonR      Well, it'll be a kludge only mandumah.com would use.
13:40 WaylonR      but how much would mandumah.com would have to pay you, to do the relevance related portions?
13:40 jcamins      You can look at C4::Search::_build_weighted_query, but that is the extent of the time I'm spending on helping you screw up your system.
13:41 jcamins      To do it properly?
13:41 WaylonR      yes.
13:41 jcamins      That's item 1(f) on the search rewrite, which is priced at $6,000.
13:42 WaylonR      hmmmmm...
13:42 WaylonR      Im guessing its expert level code, and you already have a rough idea of how to do it yes?
13:43 jcamins      It requires a nearly complete rewrite of C4::Search.
13:43 jcamins      Which is why I am so certain that trying to kludge a fix into 3.0 can only result in misery.
13:44 WaylonR      wow. yeah.. something i have no idea where to start. Will CCL based queries still work after all of it?
13:44 jcamins      Yes and no.
13:44 kf           WaylonR: you could turn it off and go back to sort by publication year.
13:44 kf           in 3.0.
13:44 * oleonard   wonders why his system is showing German descriptions for some preferences, French for others
13:44 kf           but helping to fund a proper fix would be better :)
13:44 kf           oleonard: that sounds unfun?
13:44 jcamins      oleonard: to improve your language skills? :)
13:45 oleonard     Something is messed up with the pref files
13:45 WaylonR      hmmm... so doing like "branch: blah or branch: blah" will still work?
13:45 magnuse      oleonard: i have seen that too, when nb-NO is the active language
13:45 jcamins      Just as with right now, directly-entered CCL (ccl=...) queries would bypass relevancy.
13:45 jcamins      Yes.
13:45 WaylonR      and can that work, with relevancy?
13:45 WaylonR      so (search params) order by relevancy?
13:46 jcamins      Though, per bug 9233 I think "branch:blah || branch:blah" is better.
13:46 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9233 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, NEW , Use unambiguous boolean operators for searches
13:46 oleonard     magnuse: Looks like I was in en-NZ instead of en. Hard to tell with Bug 9339 in effect.
13:46 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9339 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Intranet translation bar display en-GB when en is selected
13:47 jcamins      WaylonR: yes.
13:47 jcamins      If the only search is on branch:, though, I don't really see how relevancy ranking would help.
13:48 jcamins      It'd be more useful for something like "books && (branch:blah || branch:blah2)"
13:53 WaylonR      thats what i mean, term + branch or branches limits order by relevancy
13:57 jcamins      Yep. Right now the way we do relevancy is... somewhere between absurd and insane. With the search rewrite, I will adjust the relevancy to work more like one would expect, where titles and authors _really_ receive higher priority, and have it easily configurable using a configuration file.
13:59 * magnuse    wishes he had lots of money to throw at jcamins
13:59 jcamins      I have a separate component in the search rewrite that would allow the librarian to configure relevance in the staff interface, which might be very helpful in your case.
14:00 kf           magnuse: me too
14:00 WaylonR      hmmm..... so for the relevancy and its related config interface, how much would you require?
14:02 jcamins      Without the staff interface portion, the relevancy work would be $6k. The staff interface portion would be an additional $6k.
14:03 WaylonR      Could you email me something I could forward to my boss? I might be able to get you the funds.
14:03 jcamins      Sure.
14:03 jcamins      [off] wrobertson1981@yahoo.co.nz?
14:04 WaylonR      [off] yup. So yea, whats your email? ill forward the email he sent me, to you... then you email me back?
14:04 jcamins      [off] Perfect. jcamins@cpbibliography.com
14:05 magnuse      WaylonR++
14:05 kf           oleonard: I got a jquery question... do you have a second?
14:06 oleonard     yes
14:06 kf           [off] I am trying to remove the | in the online resources on https://mfo.bsz-bw.de/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=202002
14:06 kf           [off] because I want to remove the read me links as per request by the library - and then it looks odd.
14:08 kf           do you think it's possible? maybe just could pase out the links and put that back...
14:08 WaylonR      email sent, jcamins
14:09 kf           WaylonR++ :)
14:09 jcamins      WaylonR: received. I will send you a proposal.
14:09 WaylonR      thankyou muchly, jcamins
14:12 oleonard     kf: I think maybe grabbing the links you want and reformatting the whole thing might be better
14:13 kf           oleonard: trying to do that now... but still kinda stuck.
14:13 kf           could you throw some keywords at me? like which functions you would use?
14:14 jcamins      kf: trout. Knitting. Garlic. Copper.
14:14 kf           jcamins: :P
14:14 oleonard     kf: You're trying to remove any link which contains "read me?"
14:14 kf           yes
14:14 kf           I got that bit
14:14 kf           but the || don't look so nice
14:14 kf           $(".online_resources a:contains('Read me')").remove();
14:16 oleonard     kf: Do you have code that copies the online resources link to the holdings tab?
14:17 kf           yes
14:17 kf           but that's just moving the complete element around
14:19 kf           hmm
14:19 kf           let me try something
14:21 oleonard     kf: What I was thinking was that you could use .each() to loop over the links in the .online_resources span and put the links you want into a new array or string to output
14:21 kf           yep
14:21 kf           I was thiking that too, butnot sure about the right syntax
14:21 kf           trying to figure it out
14:21 kf           never used .each() so far :)
14:24 kf           oleonard++ :)
14:30 H            Does annyone know where i can change the list in the opac for Browse by author or subject
14:33 oleonard     H: Change the list? Do you mean change the text of the link?
14:33 wahanui      oleonard: that doesn't look right
14:33 H            ehm change the possibilities
14:34 H            define the field i wanna be searched
14:34 jcamins      H: the "Browse by author or subject" page is for browsing authorities only.
14:34 H            can i hide it ?
14:35 jcamins      Sure. Disable OpacAuthorities.
14:36 H            i was looking at that button as you typed
14:40 H            my authors are in field 700 how do i get them in the authoreties ...
14:40 H            or do i move them to an other field ?
14:41 jcamins      700 fields are authority-controlled.
14:41 H            wrong field ?
14:41 H            i still can move them so
14:41 jcamins      You just need to create authority records for them -- assuming you don't already have -- and run the linker.
14:41 jcamins      Why would you move them?
14:41 jcamins      700 fields are used for authors.
14:41 H            dont get the authority concept yet
14:42 jcamins      Ah.
14:43 jcamins      Authorities are records that describe particular entities.
14:43 jcamins      In this case, authors.
14:43 H            ok
14:43 jcamins      Authority-controlled fields in bibliographic records can be linked to authorities for better colocation.
14:44 H            and how do i create them ore where do i find the info
14:45 jcamins      Usually you would download authority records from somewhere else- OCLC or the like.
14:45 jcamins      If you don't have an OCLC account, you can also tell Koha to generate authority records for you when you edit bibliographic records.
14:46 H            aha
14:46 jcamins      However, Koha does not have a bulk authority generator.
14:46 H            i just imported 50000 records out off my old system
14:46 jcamins      You may not need authorities at all.
14:47 H            thx for informing me now i have a starting point
14:48 jcamins      What was your old system?
14:48 jcamins      It might have authority records you can use.
14:48 H            ehm a sort off home made system by people who asked too much money for it (IMIS)
14:48 H            :OP
14:49 jcamins      Ah... yeah, they probably won't be using authorities.
14:50 H            i got a database dumb and made marc records from it + the koha item fields (with some perls script and it is all imported) ... looks good ... still need toi get the ldap and mail ok
14:54 H            ill post the link whenn we go public ... i probably need to register myself on the site somewhere (no time untill now) maybe in the future there's something i can do to help the community (afther the koha is up and running :) public)
14:56 vfernandes   back :)
14:57 vfernandes   po for portuguese prefs is still in error.... :/
14:58 kf           oleonard++++ :)
14:58 jcamins      druthb: ping
14:58 druthb       eh?
14:58 kf           vfernandes: I can't fix that - druthb will have to - but check out the suggestions, it should make more sense now :)
14:59 vfernandes   ok thanks kf for all the help
14:59 vfernandes   kf++
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15:14 kf           khall: around?
15:14 khall        what's up kf?
15:14 kf           looking at your video
15:14 kf           what time is it for you?
15:15 kf           khall: all I can tell you is that my system was 1 hour off
15:15 jcamins      10:13ish.
15:15 kf           we are currently in daylight savings I think - my timezone is 'berlin', if that helps to test
15:16 kf           i double checked, because I thought it was very odd too, and can only retest when I get home later
15:17 kf           and you are only looking at the due date in your video - the problem is in today's date - at the top of the slip
15:17 khall        so, when you test it you get different times listed on circulation.pl and on the slip, right?
15:17 kf           nope
15:17 kf           the today's date on top of the slip is wrong
15:17 khall        oh, I see now.
15:17 kf           that doesn't appear in circulation.pl
15:18 kf           oh good :)
15:18 khall        I was focusing on the wrong thing.
15:18 kf           I am sorry for that
15:19 khall        no prob, that's why I made the video ; )
15:20 kf           :)
15:20 kf           we should have tried talking it out earlier
15:20 kf           next time :)
15:21 khall        What's odd is for me, my server is set to 10:17 AM, and the time I'm seeing is 3:18 PM
15:21 khall        I'll start digging
15:23 jcamins      khall: are all the times being converted to UTC?
15:23 khall        Could be, I'll find out seen enough
15:29 kf           khall: if you want, split out <<today>> changes to a separate bug, if that helps
15:29 kf           but we should fix it too - because that is just weird.
15:32 jcamins      Possibly relevant: timezone detection in Javascript: https://bitbucket.org/pellepim/jstimezonedetect
15:36 khall        jcamins, you were correct. The time zone was never being set, so it was defaulting to UTC
15:36 khall        new patch on the way
15:36 kf           yay :)
15:37 khall        up and ready for testing
15:38 kf           I will try to take a look later tonight and sign off - if someone else beats me to it I will qa it instead ;)
15:42 khall        excellent!
16:04 reiveune     bye
16:44 rambutan     wahanui: pastebin?
16:44 wahanui      i think pastebin is at http://paste.koha-community.org/
18:13 rangi        Morning
18:13 wahanui      it has been said that Morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
18:15 magnuse      kia ora rangi
18:32 vfernandes   OPAC do 3.10 fully translated to portuguese :)
18:32 jcamins      vfernades++
18:32 jcamins      vfernandes++
18:32 rangi        Yay!
18:32 jcamins      My fingers are too cold to type, sorry.
18:32 rangi        Post on koha.pt? :)
18:33 rangi        Seems like koha is becoming very popular in Portugal
18:34 vfernandes   I think I can't post there because i need company authorization first
18:35 rangi        Ahh
18:35 vfernandes   yes very popular because of the economy... open source software are a cheaper solution because no licenses associated.
18:36 rangi        No fees anyway :)
18:36 rangi        Strong licenses ;)
18:37 jcamins      khall: /tmp is a ramdisk under a normal Debian install.
18:37 vfernandes   yes i think you understand what I wanted to say :P
18:37 khall        didn't know that, thanks jcamins!
18:38 jcamins      khall: yeah, that's why wajasu and I had so much trouble with Zebra indexes.
18:41 jcamins      khall: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tmpfs
18:42 jcamins      khall: and if you're crazy you can do some really bizarre things with tmpfs+lxc.
18:45 rambutan     tmpfs is used for lots of things
18:45 rambutan     tmpfs             3966720    39776    3926944   2% /dev/shm
18:45 rambutan     tmpfs             3966720        0    3966720   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
18:45 rambutan     tmpfs             3966720      708    3966012   1% /var/run
18:46 rambutan     tmpfs             3966720      708    3966012   1% /var/lock
18:46 jcamins      I hadn't realized that /dev/shm was implemented with tmpfs. Tht's pretty cool.
18:47 rambutan     at least on opensuse :)
18:50 rangi        jcamins: http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery3/index.php/kohaphotos/album11/DSC01796
18:51 jcamins      That's Koha green? :)
18:52 rangi        one of the greens we used
18:53 rambutan     koha.org???
18:53 wahanui      the first rule of Koha is that you don't talk about koha.org
18:54 rambutan     yea, well, there's a pic in that collection
18:54 rangi        from 2005
18:54 rambutan     yea, I assumed past use-by date
18:55 rambutan     booth right beside Dynix
18:56 rangi        yep i made shirts to annoy them for 2006
18:56 rambutan     that's a cool green box. I could put 5 Pis in there, with a power supply, and have a little mini cluster
18:56 rangi        http://gallery.katipo.co.nz/lianza2006/img_1454
18:57 jcamins      Nice!
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19:03 oleonard     Uh... Okay.
19:07 rangi        why would you attack your friend?
19:08 rangi        i think they need a dictionary
19:08 oleonard     That's to make it legal. "all in good fun!"
19:08 jcamins      lol
19:10 jcamins      "But investigator, I had a drink with my victim the other day. That makes it totally okay to hack into all the servers between me and them."
19:29 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails  Koha Introductory Webinars http://t.co/fY8JTCi4"
19:31 rangi        wahanui: we should use more MARC?
19:31 wahanui      http://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/01-how-about-no-bear.jpg?w=800
19:32 rangi        hmm another error with pootle
19:32 rangi        is druthb about?
19:32 jcamins      lol
19:32 druthb       sort of.
19:33 cait         I think it#s always the same
19:33 cait         something aobut file permissions :(
19:33 rangi        yep
19:33 druthb       hm.  lemme get in there and see if I can spot it.
19:33 rangi        thanks
19:36 druthb       try now, rangi n cait?
19:37 rangi        ah it wasnt me, it was a couple of mails on the koha-translate list
19:37 druthb       I'll send a note.
19:37 rangi        awesome
19:46 cait         druthb: I will test arabic
19:47 druthb       I tested pt, and it was working.
19:47 cait         druthb: there is also a bug on bugzilla - I added you to the cc list ealrier today
19:47 druthb       I got that bug.
19:48 cait         looks good to me
19:56 wizzyrea     faq?
19:56 wahanui      faq is probably found at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/
20:00 wizzyrea     also, good morning
20:00 jcamins      Good morning.
20:01 oleonard     Hi wizzyrea, got your msg
20:02 oleonard     That's new territory to me, so I don't have anything in particular to recommend
20:03 jcamins      rangi: hey, don't you have the student program coming up soon?
20:03 rangi        nexxt week
20:03 rangi        wizzyrea and cjh_ are doing it
20:03 jcamins      Do you know what they'll be working on?
20:03 wizzyrea     ok cool oleonard, just didn't want to
20:03 jcamins      Woohoo!
20:03 wizzyrea     step on anything
20:04 wizzyrea     :)
20:04 jcamins      wizzyrea: do you know what they'll be working on?
20:04 wizzyrea     we will be working on intranet accessibility
20:04 jcamins      I'll nudge the QA team if there are any outstanding patches that should be pushed before they arrive.
20:05 wizzyrea     oleonard: http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices/#kbd_layout this is I think where we are going to be doing some of our work
20:05 wizzyrea     going through circ/member management
20:06 cjh_         good morning :)
20:06 wizzyrea     and defining/labeling the regions
20:06 magnuse      wizzyrea: very cool!
20:06 wizzyrea     at least, that's what I've got in my mind
20:08 rangi        its 80s rock friday
20:08 rangi        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raql_Hh_NmU
20:08 rangi        put your headphones and crank the dial up
20:09 wizzyrea     we missed weird wednesday
20:10 rangi        yep
20:10 cjh_         random food friday
20:10 wizzyrea     \o/
20:11 rangi        this song is 2 years older than cjh_
20:11 rangi        there i just made you all feel old
20:11 rangi        you're welcome
20:12 cjh_         hahaha
20:13 jcamins      When did it come out?
20:13 rangi        89
20:13 jcamins      Okay, I feel old.
20:13 druthb       cjh_ is a *youngling*, then.
20:13 druthb       This song was #1 the week I was born:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE1dz6_u2JI
20:14 oleonard     The trouble with feeling old is that you can only complain about it to people your own age.
20:14 rangi        there are much worse songs
20:14 cait         hm six years older than me... htat's still not sooo bad
20:15 cait         oh, younger.
20:15 cjh_         fire woman isnt anywhere near as bad as I had expected :)
20:15 cait         hmpf.
20:15 rangi        heh
20:15 cait         hehe
20:15 * rangi      ponders what other music his parents used to tell him to turn down
20:17 * wizzyrea   is slightly younger than you, goes for Pearl Jam and Soundgarden
20:17 rangi        ohh sisters of mercy
20:17 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @ranginui: "its 80s rock friday in the #kohails irc channel today"
20:17 rangi        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o-6ftmw8CE
20:18 oleonard     Never was a fan, but I did see them in concert in the 90s
20:18 druthb       oooh....sisters of mercy...mmmm
20:18 * cjh_       was raised on Queen and Meat loaf
20:19 oleonard     I was practically asphyxiated by the smoke machine
20:19 wizzyrea     >.<
20:19 rangi        heh
20:21 rangi        early chili peppers?
20:21 wizzyrea     always good.
20:22 cjh_         oh wow they were 80s?
20:22 wizzyrea     ^.^
20:22 rangi        yep
20:22 cjh_         wikipedia agrees :o
20:22 * wizzyrea   is not an authority on 80's rock.
20:23 * druthb     switches to even older stuff....
20:23 rangi        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MBljztEeg0
20:23 druthb       Cass Elliott in her white go-go boots...gotta love it.
20:24 druthb       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-aK6JnyFmk
20:27 liw          wait, what? the 80s are over? we're in the 90s already? I feel old now
20:28 rangi        hmm im still in the 80s
20:28 rangi        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad37pR8lrEo
20:28 rangi        this one really annoys parents
20:29 wizzyrea     uh oh, I'm going to be one of THOSE parents.
20:29 wizzyrea     "TURN THAT #$%@ DOWN"
20:29 rangi        heh
20:30 * wizzyrea   goes back to her (slightly later) chilli peppers.
20:30 wizzyrea     i am pretty sure there is no parent alive that would tell you to turn down "soul to squeeze"
20:30 rangi        do it do it do it do it
20:30 rangi        gotta love rollins
20:30 rangi        specially rollins and shatner!
20:31 wizzyrea     he's actually quite a good artist/poet person
20:31 wizzyrea     if you leave off the shouting.
20:31 rangi        cant get behind that
20:31 wizzyrea     (but just m/o)
20:31 rangi        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-eJQ1mTVzA
20:31 wizzyrea     lol
20:35 oleonard     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5xyuT9MgRs
20:35 rangi        oooh
20:35 rangi        i can get behind that
20:38 oleonard     Unfortunately this is a year too late to count: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reSOp1domrU
20:38 rangi        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcG8oNfpih8
20:39 rangi        ahh good old sonic youth
20:39 cjh_         i can't get behind htat is fantastic
20:39 cjh_         but my typing isnt :(
20:55 cjh_         drats, all my favourite queen songs are 70s. Defeated.
20:56 dpavlin      I'm having problems with currency exchange rates with current master acqui/invoices.pl - is there existing bug I can look at?
20:56 wizzyrea     what kind of problem?
20:57 dpavlin      currency_rate in html page gets default currency exchange (1.0) from GetCurrency (active currencry, HRK 1.0) but
20:57 * cait       waves at dpavlin and wishes him and mglavica a happy new year :)
20:58 dpavlin      Vendor price is in USD, so all javascript updated fields gets overwritten with USD values except of Actual cost which stays in HRK
21:00 dpavlin      since there is Replacement cost: (adjusted for HRK) it should stay in HRK and not get rewritten by USD values, right?
21:01 wizzyrea     hm I haven't heard of this particular thing
21:01 cait         not sure I get it :(
21:01 dpavlin      this behavior was introduced by Bug 5335 from Fri Feb 24 16:24:05 2012 +0100 so it's pretty old...
21:01 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5335 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , define VAT/taxes at orderline level, with default value for supplier and list of valid tax rates
21:02 cait         hm
21:02 cait         wonder about the date
21:02 cait         I was quite sure that's a 3.10 feature
21:02 rangi        yeah
21:03 rangi        it was only pushed 21/september
21:03 rangi        so is in only in master and 3.10.x
21:03 wizzyrea     well 8832 is fixed
21:03 cait         wowthere are lots of bugs linked to it :(
21:05 dpavlin      I get that for Receive shipment from vendor when entering Accounting Details
21:06 dpavlin      I think it should use vendor price currency for exchange rate, and not default currency, it's that simple :-)
21:07 rangi        i agree, that bug should probably be reverted
21:07 jcamins      rangi: unfortunately, looking at the history it looks like I might not be able to.
21:08 dpavlin      rangi: or I can fix it in another bug? We see a few more texes regressions, but it should be fixable.
21:08 rangi        dpavlin: fixing is the next best option
21:08 cjh_         if it is too difficult to revert, then a linked bug is clean.
21:08 JDatTeTakere Well, it's that time of month again where I'm running reports showing last year's issue stats...and they are telling me fibs.
21:08 jcamins      I would favor reverting, except I don't think I'll be able to.
21:09 rangi        but i agree with jcamins that regressions should be reverted first, fixed after
21:09 rangi        but yeah if you cant revert then fixing is the next best thing
21:09 jcamins      It should've been reverted in September, per the note on the bug.
21:09 rangi        *nod*
21:09 jcamins      I'll try reverting tonight.
21:09 rangi        thanks
21:10 cjh_         jcamins: may the force be with you.
21:10 jcamins      cjh_: thanks. I think I'll need it.
21:11 cait         jcamins: it shuffles around a lot of acq data
21:11 cait         not sure it's easy to rever, wlel pretty sure it isn't
21:11 jcamins      I just looked.
21:11 cait         and you will lose data if you revert now and have been using it
21:12 wizzyrea     probably better to fix :/
21:12 dpavlin      generally, we really like new acquisition, so reverting that might not be the best way to go.
21:12 cait         oh i am confusing it
21:12 cait         with parcels.
21:12 jcamins      There's no merge commit, so I wouldn't be able to revert it safely even if reversion wouldn't cause data loss.
21:12 dpavlin      we quite like other exchange rates features of it :-)
21:13 cait         I like the idea too, not necessarily the change to the syspref
21:13 cait         but being able to set tax on order level is kind of important here
21:13 jcamins      It looks like about a dozen patches interspersed over several days worth of commits.
21:14 jcamins      dpavlin: A patch on a separate bug would be most welcome. :)
21:15 rangi        i dont mind the idea, but its a shame it wasnt reverted back on 28/9
21:15 rangi        and fixed and re pushed
21:15 jcamins      Yup.
21:15 rangi        revert early .. and save everyone tons of hassle
21:17 jcamins      That's why --no-ff is so important.
21:17 eythian      what is --no-ff?
21:18 rangi        no fast forward
21:18 cjh_         no fastforward for git merge, why is it important?
21:18 rangi        makes a merge commit
21:18 eythian      oh right
21:18 rangi        then you can revert the merge
21:18 cjh_         oh so a merge commit is easier to revert?
21:18 rangi        well it reverts the 8 commits
21:18 rangi        instead of havin to do each one
21:18 rangi        (if there were 8 in the branch)
21:18 jcamins      Without it, you have to revert each one individually, which makes the history a mess.
21:18 cjh_         ahh, whereas with ff they appear in the same line (as if they were developed on the branch)
21:19 * oleonard   can't seem to find a time when Bug 9339 didn't exist
21:19 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9339 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Intranet translation bar display en-GB when en is selected
21:19 jcamins      Exactly.
21:19 cjh_         makes sense, I always wondered why ff was hated so much. ty :)
21:19 jcamins      oleonard: I'm not sure it ever worked. I'd never used en-GB before.
21:19 jcamins      I don't understand why ff is the default.
21:19 wizzyrea     because merge commits are confusing.
21:19 wizzyrea     is my guess.
21:19 jcamins      wizzyrea: but how many times do people use "git merge"?
21:20 eythian      ff makes sense when you're working on your own repo. Merge commits clutter things up a lot, in general.
21:20 * oleonard   quits with the intention of being productive tomorrow, for real this time
21:20 wizzyrea     bye oleonard
21:24 * wizzyrea   just opened the dash, saw the quote "And before that I used the garden of razorblades that is OpenBSD"
21:24 wizzyrea     which made me laugh.
21:24 wizzyrea     crikey you guys are funny.
21:24 cjh_         hah! queensryche are 80s!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adtE2H7sXJM (1988)
21:31 rangi        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-WHW-QNswE    <-- 1984
21:31 wizzyrea     oh you are evil.
21:31 rangi        hehe
21:32 rangi        i dedicate this to ibeardslee and cjh_ who both do karate
21:32 * cjh_       watches
21:32 cjh_         hahahha I know this song \o/
21:32 cait         gema :(
21:33 wizzyrea     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwer1CiteBg
21:33 wizzyrea     take that.
21:33 rangi        cjh_: you know the movie its the theme for eh?
21:33 cjh_         rangi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oomCIXGzsR0 :)
21:34 cjh_         best childhood movie, miyagi is awesome
21:34 rangi        wizzyrea: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPsz5C4SED8
21:34 * cait       can't listen to any of those :(
21:34 rangi        i upped the ante!
21:35 wizzyrea     LOOL
21:35 wizzyrea     i bow to you sir.
21:35 cjh_         hahha eye of the tiger, oh god.
21:35 wizzyrea     also, 1982
21:35 * cjh_       is a few videos behind
21:35 wizzyrea     ;)
21:37 wizzyrea     I was hoping this was the 80's, but 1977: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZKhpbfR-LE
21:38 rangi        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym6W-xSa3Ls <-- better
21:39 wizzyrea     oh yes, that really captures the spirit of that particular bucket list item
21:49 JDatTeTakere Sorry to intrude ;-) Koha question for you guys.
21:49 wizzyrea     go for it :)
21:49 JDatTeTakere I'm trying to find all items without a barcode using this report I found in the Koha Reports Library -   SELECT items.dateaccessioned,items.ccode,items.itemcallnumber,items.itype,biblio.author,biblio.title, biblio.copyrightdate    FROM items   LEFT JOIN biblioitems ON (items.biblioitemnumber=biblioitems.biblioitemnumber)   LEFT JOIN biblio ON (biblioitems.bib
21:50 JDatTeTakere I'm getting the following error "The following error was encountered: The database returned the following error: 1 Please check the log for further details."
21:50 wizzyrea     that's the exact report?
21:50 wizzyrea     because that one is incomplete :)
21:51 JDatTeTakere Ahhh...I got it from http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library#Checkouts_by_Item_Type_.28previous_month.29
21:51 wizzyrea     SELECT items.dateaccessioned,items.ccode,items.itemcallnumber,items.itype,biblio.author,biblio.title, biblio.copyrightdate
21:51 wizzyrea     FROM items
21:51 wizzyrea     LEFT JOIN biblioitems ON (items.biblioitemnumber=biblioitems.biblioitemnumber)
21:51 wizzyrea     LEFT JOIN biblio ON (biblioitems.biblionumber=biblio.biblionumber)
21:51 wizzyrea     WHERE Barcode IS NULL
21:52 JDatTeTakere but further down that page...it's not the report I was looking for but I wanted to try it anyway as I came across a book yesterday that I couldn't issue because the Item barcode was entered in the call number field...so wanted to see if there were any others.
21:52 rangi        you don't need the biblioitems, you arent selecting anything from it
21:53 rangi        but it wont hurt
21:53 wizzyrea     it works
21:53 rangi        just slows the query down some
21:53 wizzyrea     that one I pasted.
21:53 JDatTeTakere Fantastic - thanks guys.
21:53 rangi        i might do this
21:53 rangi        WHERE ( barcode IS NULL OR barcode = '')
21:53 * wizzyrea   gets ready to edit the wiki
21:54 JDatTeTakere My other problem is that our monthly issues report tells me that issues of MP (Rental Magazines) but we know they
21:57 cjh_         http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqAUmgE3WyM
21:57 wizzyrea     JDatTeTakere: also, if you have a space in front of a report
21:58 wizzyrea     when you put it in, you'll get that message.
21:58 eythian      cjh_: one day I shall build one of those
21:58 JDatTeTakere Thanks Liz...I'll know to look out for spaces in future problem reports.
21:58 wizzyrea     just thought I'd mention it, as I just had it happen to me :)
21:58 wizzyrea     (*&($#@$# why isn't this working... oh
21:59 wizzyrea     :D
21:59 JDatTeTakere I'm happy to benefit from any little bits of knowledge you can share.
21:59 eythian      someone needs to sponsor the tiny patch it would take to fix that stupid query issue.
22:01 wizzyrea     I updated that report on the wiki to get rid of the unnecessary bits.
22:01 wizzyrea     I suspect there are quite a few like that.
22:05 JDatTeTakere Fantastic...I try out a few of the reports from the Koha Reports Library.  It 'sometimes
22:06 JDatTeTakere It sometimes helps me to learn how queries are built.
22:38 wizzyrea     JDatTeTakere: did you have another issue with your reports?
22:48 JDatTeTakere Just trying to work out why the Issues report say our Rental Magazines haven't been out, when we know they have.
22:49 wizzyrea     ahh
22:49 rangi        which report are you using?
22:49 wizzyrea     haha I about typed that exact thing. Also, are you using the built in reports or a created sql one
22:52 rangi        i get 3688 issues of rental magazines in 2012
22:52 JDatTeTakere I'm using a Saved Report - the one that shows all of our issues.  We run the same report each month.
22:54 wizzyrea     oh, can you paste it in?
22:54 wizzyrea     paste.koha-community.org
22:57 pastebot     "JDatTeTakere" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Our monthly issues report - concerned that the data is incorrect. It's not showing MP issues." (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/334
22:58 JDatTeTakere Have done. On leave now for rest of day but will check my messages later. Thanks C and L.
22:58 wizzyrea     cool, is np :)
22:58 wizzyrea     have a lovely afternoon!
23:10 AndyPT       Hi
23:10 wahanui      privet, AndyPT
23:10 AndyPT       Hello, wahanui
23:10 wahanui      hey, AndyPT
23:10 jcamins      wahanui is a bot.
23:10 AndyPT       Yep, the "hey" gave it away...
23:10 eythian      wahanui: jcamins is also a spoilsport
23:10 wahanui      okay, eythian.
23:10 AndyPT       I have a question
23:11 jcamins      Hey!
23:11 eythian      hey, jcamins
23:11 wahanui      'scuse me while I cue up "Hail to the Chief!"
23:11 AndyPT       (are you all bots!?!??!)
23:11 eythian      yes.
23:11 AndyPT       Duh
23:11 rambutan     "someone needs to sponsor the tiny patch it would take to fix that stupid query issue." What query issue?
23:11 wizzyrea     the one that causes the sql reports to barf if a space is at the beginning of the quer
23:12 eythian      rambutan: if you have a space at the front of the SQL in a report, the report fails.
23:12 wizzyrea     query
23:12 * wizzyrea   thinks that the different way we answered that question says something about our personalities
23:12 wizzyrea     ^.^
23:13 eythian      heh
23:13 rambutan     rambutan wonders how much tiny patches cost these days...
23:13 AndyPT       So, for anyone not a bot, I have a question: on Koha saved reports (SQL or guided), I'm trying to download them to CSV or TAB (bottom dropdown list), and any Unicode/UTF-8 character looks bad, because the export does not include a UTF-8 BOM....
23:13 eythian      rambutan: not a great deal :)
23:14 eythian      AndyPT: the BOM shouldn't be required in UTF-8, I think
23:15 eythian      In fact, I'll clarify that: the BOM is not required and is arguably detrimental in UTF-8 :)
23:15 jcamins      eythian: it is if your text editor won't allow you to force the character set. But that's a problem with the editor not the file.
23:17 eythian      yeah. If there's something reasonably common that requires it, it might be worth implementing it anyway.
23:18 eythian      I have encountered it breaking things that should be unicode-aware though. But that may have been a dodgy parser I was using.
23:18 cait         AndyPT: what problems are you having? I am using libreoffice / excel at work ant it works nicely for umlauts
23:18 cait         and which version of Koha are you looking at?
23:23 AndyPT       eythian and cait: I don't really care for the BOM (if I'm the one using it). The thing is, my librarian staff need to export the report to excel, and using CSV that's not working. Is there any plugin to add "download to Excel" format?
23:23 AndyPT       eythian and cait : I'm currently using 3.8
23:24 cait         excel is a bit stupid.
23:24 eythian      I don't have excel, but perhaps there's some setting for the default character set? Dollars to doughnuts it's coming is as latin-1 or something.
23:24 cait         the only way I managed to do it is like this: https://wiki.bsz-bw.de/lib/exe/fetch.php?media=l-team:koha:koha-handbuch:reports:3-6_01_reports_exportieren.pdf
23:24 cait         beware, it's german, but it has screenshots
23:25 cait         eythian: my bet too - you have to explicitly tell it to use unicode (utf-8)
23:25 AndyPT       My users need excel...
23:25 cait         AndyPT: it works
23:25 cait         it's just a matter of using the right settings
23:26 AndyPT       I'm downloading it...
23:26 cait         choose tab separated
23:26 cait         open excel
23:26 cait         import from text
23:27 cait         then make sure you choose utf-8 as encoding
23:27 cait         hit ok ok ok... and then it should be there
23:27 AndyPT       Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.... This is really too much for my users... I need something "dumb proof"...
23:27 cait         you shoul dinstall libreoffice then.
23:28 wizzyrea     ^^
23:28 jcamins      Yeah, LibreOffice is much easier.
23:28 AndyPT       Is there no option to add Excel export to the list (other than changing the source code, which I don't want to do until I upgrade to 3.10) ?
23:28 jcamins      No.
23:29 jcamins      How would you get the Excel spreadsheet?
23:29 jcamins      (remember, Excel uses a proprietary closed-source file format)
23:29 AndyPT       Well, a lot of applications export it
23:30 jcamins      There are libraries that have reverse-engineered it.
23:30 AndyPT       And Excel 2007++ uses OOXML, which is standard and open
23:30 rangi        bwahaha
23:30 eythian      hahahah
23:30 eythian      good one :)
23:30 cait         lol
23:30 AndyPT       I'm fine with OOXML
23:30 rangi        best joke of 2013
23:30 jcamins      rangi: it's a high bar.
23:30 * wizzyrea   is not sure which definition of open you are using
23:30 jcamins      !
23:30 AndyPT       Yes, XLSX is simply XML inside a ZIP containter
23:31 jcamins      Anyway, I see no chance of any current Koha developer writing an Excel export into the system just because.
23:31 AndyPT       Creating an XLSX file is easy programming...
23:31 * eythian    challenges you to implement the "displaylikeoffice2001" attribute :)
23:31 AndyPT       ?
23:31 jcamins      You could commission a feature like that, though.
23:31 jcamins      That's the great thing about open source.
23:31 * wizzyrea   invokes wilw
23:31 wizzyrea     ;)
23:33 wizzyrea     sup libsysguy
23:33 AndyPT       Ok, so no known plugin to add any type of download formats other than CSV and TAB?
23:34 libsysguy    wizzyrea, not a lot
23:34 libsysguy    whats up with you
23:34 wizzyrea     nope, no plugins for that.
23:34 eythian      it would be an easy patch to add the BOM if that would solve it.
23:34 AndyPT       Weird... I'm sure a lot of people must have needed it...
23:34 wizzyrea     naw, they just learn to work with CSV
23:35 wizzyrea     or tab
23:35 AndyPT       Yep, my solution is currently to add the BOM...
23:35 libsysguy    thats the weird thing about assumptions :p
23:35 AndyPT       :S
23:35 eythian      hey, anyone able to point me to a reference for the usmarc binary format. It's come to the point where I need to know how it works.
23:35 wizzyrea     ping gmcharlt ^^
23:36 gmcharlt     AndyPT: well, writing something that uses Spreadsheet::WriteExcel::Big will get you XLS output (and Evergreen's reporter does that for "Excel" output)
23:36 eythian      ah, wikipedia has an OK breakdown.
23:37 wizzyrea     hehe well I was thinking about eythian's question actually
23:37 gmcharlt     eythian: I have the ISO standard in my posession, but ... it certainly isn't worth any amount of money
23:37 eythian      this marc data has no directory section, it's unparsable.
23:37 gmcharlt     wizzyrea: I'm multi-tasking ;)
23:37 wizzyrea     \o/
23:37 eythian      gmcharlt: according to ISO it's worth CHF58,00.
23:38 eythian      they may be lying though.
23:38 jcamins      eythian: ISO is not known for their ability to count to zero...
23:38 gmcharlt     eythian: trust me, it's not worth that much :)
23:38 gmcharlt     even if one accepts ISO's business model, it's a poorly-written standard
23:38 eythian      http://ebookbrowse.com/iso-2709-2008-pdf-d307980860 <-- *cough*
23:38 * gmcharlt   whistles innocently
23:38 jcamins      [off] ^^ :P
23:39 wizzyrea     interesting: http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2013/01/google.shtm
23:40 eythian      hey, it's the second result on google :)
23:40 * wizzyrea   giggles
23:40 AndyPT       gmcharlt: Adding a BOM to it seems much simpler ;)
23:40 * google     whistles innocently
23:40 * wizzyrea   laughs
23:40 eythian      ah yes, microsoft has been claiming they are being unfairly treated by google and that they're finding it hard to compete.
23:41 eythian      I guess if anyone would know, it'd be them.
23:41 wizzyrea     ikr :)
23:43 eythian      wow, 58,00fr for a 16 page document, of which the first 6 are boilerplate, so are the last 3.
23:43 rambutan     fr?
23:43 wahanui      rumour has it fr is the same in nb-NO and en
23:44 eythian      swiss francs, I can't remember the proper symbol
23:44 rambutan     ah, I was thinking (French) francs
23:44 jcamins      chf
23:44 dpavlin      thanks everybody and happy new year! Bug 9346 will unblock our acquisition migration to master, so I hope you will enjoy this new year present also :-)
23:44 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9346 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , acqui/neworderempty.pl ignores exchange rates and destroys user data on page load
23:58 AndyPT       eythian + cait + gmcharlt :  changing the source to add a new export type with BOM seems easy enough. I'll just do that ;)
23:58 eythian      it's probably something that's safe enough to upstream, too.