Time Nick Message 22:45 jatara :) 22:22 drojf hm 22:19 francharb see ya all 22:16 drojf if you have root access that sounds alright 22:16 remi yes 22:15 wizzyrea (which is what I read) 22:15 wizzyrea if you mean "I have a linux server that runs my website and I want koha to be an additional host on this machine" 22:15 remi debian 22:15 drojf is that a root server? what os is it running… 22:15 wizzyrea remi: that should be possible 22:14 drojf that is a pretty vague question 22:14 remi bit confused 22:13 remi can i do it? 22:12 remi i'm thinking of installing koha on a server that's running my website 22:11 cait hi remi 22:10 remi hi 22:09 cait wiggles and squirms, is evil 22:09 cait lol 22:06 eythian http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/ede3/ 21:58 cait hi eythian :) 21:56 eythian hi 21:11 oleonard See you later #koha 21:03 drojf jcamins_away: not really. but i know i should ;) 21:03 jcamins_away drojf: did you install Koha on it yet? 21:02 drojf one day i will have openwebOS. if they ever backport it ^^ 21:01 wizzyrea as long as you are happy 21:01 drojf then i lose my ubuntu too 21:01 wizzyrea j/k, your way is perfect for you 21:01 wizzyrea ^.^ 21:01 wizzyrea or nuke webos :P 21:00 drojf i was thinking of trying dual boot at some point, but since i only got 16gb and the chroot needs an extra partition that is not really an option. or i stuff the thing with operating systems and not use anything ;) 20:59 wizzyrea no kidding. 20:59 drojf it's ridiculous that HP sold them for full price in that state 20:58 wizzyrea if you haven't used android in the last 18 months - it is not the same OS as what you would have seen 2 years ago 20:58 wizzyrea I would not buy one of them for anything over 99 20:58 wizzyrea oh definitely 20:58 drojf i only got it because it was 99€. i would not have bought it for >400€ 20:57 drojf i'm not a big fan of android (not that i have much experience). webOS is obviously not complete but i can live with it 20:57 * wizzyrea is not a fan of webos. 20:57 wizzyrea it's tolerable with android on it ^.^ 20:56 wizzyrea my best friend has a touchpad - she put android on hers 20:56 * wizzyrea would probably not go that route. 20:56 wizzyrea I am glad that works for you 20:56 drojf wizzyrea: no, webOS and a ubuntu chroot 20:56 wizzyrea or webos 20:55 wizzyrea but you run android on it? 20:55 drojf cait: yes i remembered :( 20:55 wizzyrea oh, heh 20:55 cait drojf: I have to wait 8 hours... remember 20:55 drojf wizzyrea: hp touchpad 20:55 wizzyrea drojf what kind of tab do you have? 20:55 drojf oh, charging. sorry 20:55 jcamins_away drojf: in 7:30. :P 20:55 drojf cait: to the test! ;) 20:55 jcamins_away And the CCSR theme for the OPAC scales down well for much smaller devices. 20:55 wizzyrea mine too 20:55 drojf i'm pretty sure it does with mine :) 20:54 wizzyrea all of koha works with tablets as far as I know 20:53 jcamins_away oleonard: the "consultation" bit is what makes me think that the e-mail started out as perfectly fluent something-not-English. 20:53 drojf the opac works with a tablet by default? 20:53 drojf i have no idea wtah the question is 20:52 oleonard "is it possible" meaning "Can someone please do this soon and free?" 20:51 jcamins_away (the message on the list) 20:50 jcamins_away Google Translate? 20:42 cait where it took place... problems you ran into and that everyone took home their very own koha installation 20:42 cait how many people attended 20:38 drojf "we installed koha" isn't ;) 20:38 drojf i don't know what to tell so that is actually of any interest to someone reading the newsletter 20:38 cait hm yes 20:38 drojf the problem is not writing in english but writing at all :D 20:37 cait especialy the not me part is important :P 20:37 cait do it like I do it- write something and then ask a friend to proof read (not me, a native speaker) 20:36 drojf i think i'm done with the script and more or less the evaluation for the workshop. now if somebody could write something in english about it… 20:35 cait nicht wirklich :) 20:35 cait hehe 20:33 drojf vorschusslorbeeren ;) 20:32 cait drojf++ :) 20:30 jcamins_away I wrote it for a non-Koha project then made it general purpose, rather than going the other way. 20:30 jcamins_away I expect there will be a couple of bugs. 20:29 drojf ok i'll try to have some time to play with it tomorrow 20:29 jcamins_away It would make it easy to have user-defined record views, for example. 20:29 jcamins_away It's a framework for future development. 20:28 jcamins_away Yup. 20:28 drojf how do you want that tested? just go nuts with all optionsß 20:28 jcamins_away drojf: excellent! You should sign off. :P 20:27 drojf oh i have seen that and i think it's pretty cool 20:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9202 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , TT plugin to allow direct display of MARC::Records 20:27 jcamins_away magnuse: bug 9202 may be of interest to you. 20:25 drojf ts. poser OS. :P 20:25 jcamins_away Yes, apt-get install starman 20:25 jcamins_away I think I just installed a Starman package. 20:25 drojf ah. that probably helps 20:24 jcamins_away drojf: I have it on Ubuntu 12.04. 20:24 oleonard wizzyrea: Pretty sure it wasn't although I've never met heather. This woman seemed to have come just for the peace and quiet 20:24 drojf jcamins_away: do you have starman running on squeeze or wheezy? i remember now why i never installed it, it wants me to build a gazillion things myself 20:23 cait yep 20:23 wizzyrea mac of course. 20:23 wahanui rumour has it the bugs is found at http://bugs.koha-community.org. Please fix any bugs you find. :) or reporting them is helpful, too 20:23 jcamins_away The bugs. 20:23 jcamins_away Oh, right. 20:23 wizzyrea she'd have an iphone, an ipad, and at least one laptop 20:23 jcamins_away cait: busy doing what? 20:23 drojf "my music is on the ipod, no idea how i would copy it over (or don't know i could)" 20:23 cait jcamins++ # you were busy 20:23 wizzyrea oleonard: it wasn't heather was it 20:22 oleonard I don't know! 20:22 jatara a touch and an iphone? why? 20:21 oleonard The woman next to me at the conference had an iphone and an ipod touch along with her laptop and she used them all to chat and check facebook 20:21 cait ... I certainly see that happening 20:20 drojf if you are like me you will carry around both in the future 20:19 cait it'a lot less heavy than my laptop - that's for sure 20:19 wizzyrea on it's double battery 20:18 cait I hope so :) 20:18 wizzyrea and ages 20:18 wizzyrea and ages 20:18 wizzyrea ah yep and it'll last for ages 20:18 cait looking at distance study stuff 20:18 cait I hope to use it when travelling, typing things 20:18 wizzyrea I use it a lot more, if that's a metric by which one judges tablet success. 20:18 cait :) 20:18 wizzyrea it was a nice tablet, too big for me though. Nexus is much better for me. 20:17 wizzyrea ah yea. 20:17 cait I wanted the keyboard 20:17 wizzyrea sheesh 20:17 wizzyrea traid? trade. 20:17 cait hehe 20:17 wizzyrea I erm, traided it for a nexus 7 20:17 cait oh had? 20:17 cait I heard so from several people :) 20:17 * wizzyrea had one of those 20:17 wizzyrea it 20:17 wizzyrea cool, you'll like 20:17 wizzyrea nm lol. 20:17 wizzyrea oh 20:17 wizzyrea cait won't tell us what she got! 20:17 cait asus transformer 20:16 jcamins_away lol 20:15 rangi one user at a time 20:15 drojf lol 20:15 rangi it destroys the internet 20:15 rangi thats probably the java 20:15 drojf tcohen seems to have had a shock timeout from that dspace thing 20:14 drojf cait: what a tablet did you get? 20:14 jcamins_away Yes, I think so. 20:14 jcamins_away However, I have good news! There are patches to test while it's charging! 20:14 cait jcamins_away: did she manage to wait? 20:13 drojf can't you use it while it charges? 20:13 jcamins_away cait: yes, Shari was very unhappy about that too. 20:13 cait I have to charge it for 8 hours before first use. 20:13 cait hmpf. 20:12 jcamins_away lol 20:12 drojf and an automatical spam rebaser 20:11 drojf rangi: ah, ok. some sophisticated patch spamming would be interesting ;) 20:10 rangi tcohen: what happened with dspace, they threw the patch on the floor? 20:10 rangi drojf: it was just a piece of html, wasnt a patch just wanted ppl to see it 20:09 oleonard It's being set right there. 20:08 jatara because that's where it's going awry 20:08 jatara Thanks so much! Just need to find out where $flagsrequired is being set 20:08 drojf the way it works at DSpace i mean 20:08 drojf tcohen: that bad? 20:08 oleonard I don't know that that is where the problem is, but it's an example of permissions being defined 20:07 oleonard jatara: That link is for you 20:07 pastebot "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Example from guided_reports.pl" (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/301 20:06 jcamins_away My guess is reports/guided_reports.pl has some bug in it. 20:06 huginn jatara: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 20:06 jatara @jcamins_away i'm thinking that as well 20:06 jatara off-topic by the way, why do the commercials say "kills bug dead"? isnt' that rather redundant? 20:05 jcamins_away jatara: I expect the problem is going to be in the reports/ scripts. 20:05 tcohen guys, i've sent a patch to DSpace, i can now say I LOVE the way the Koha team works 20:05 jatara thanks for not breaking out the RAID on me :) 20:05 drojf :) 20:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9220 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Unchecking "create SQL reports" prevents staff member from being able to run reports 20:05 drojf jatara: i did not mean you .) 20:05 oleonard Bug 9220? 20:04 jcamins_away jatara: no, there was a spam bug earlier today. :) 20:04 jcamins_away jatara: permissions-related code is all over. 20:04 jatara not a spambug..just a computer geek who is trying to see if i can isolate the source of a bug i filed yesterday 9220 20:04 drojf maybe some cool functionality! 20:04 oleonard I don't know drojf, rangi deleted a spam attachment but I didn't see what it was 20:03 * drojf will not sign off on a spambug 20:03 drojf oleonard: really? what is the goal of that? make us accidentally push it into koha? :D 20:03 oleonard What are you trying to do/understand jatara? 20:02 jatara Hi...which files/directories within Koha deal with permissions for staff users? 20:02 oleonard Seriously, spam on Bugzilla? Yuck. 20:00 drojf cait: run a virtual machine with debian on it :P 19:58 cait wizzyrea: it's cute and tiny :) 19:49 wizzyrea that will work fine 19:48 cait tablet 19:48 cait the plan is to install koha on a server sometime soon and access that from the tables 19:48 jcamins_away True. 19:48 cait I might better spend this time on qa and other things :) 19:48 wizzyrea I'm sure it could be done but... 19:48 jcamins_away cait: it will after you've made it work! 19:48 cait well...... quite sure it does not probably 19:48 wizzyrea lol. 19:48 wizzyrea this seems - impractical 19:48 cait not sure koh aworks on android 19:48 jcamins_away cait: so tonight you're going to install Koha on it? :) 19:47 wizzyrea ! what kind did you get? 19:47 cait my tablet arrived *squeee* 19:47 * wizzyrea waves 19:47 cait hi jcamins_away and rangi :) 19:47 * jcamins_away waves from the distance. 19:46 rangi hi cait 19:46 cait hi #koha 19:36 smeagol thx 19:30 smeagol ok..i'll call Zed..we have to protect the galaxy... 19:29 jcamins_away Nope. Just a bug. 19:28 smeagol I thought that it was something I was doing wrong during the install.. 19:28 smeagol ok. will do. 19:27 jcamins_away The first step no matter what, of course, is to report a bug on bugs.koha-community.org. :) 19:27 smeagol ok..i think i got you now. I'll get back to you. 19:26 jcamins_away Earlier oleonard indicated there is an extra space after "closed" but before a backtick in installer/data/mysql/kohastructure.sql. 19:26 smeagol Yes, apparently 19:26 jcamins_away Your best course of action is to fix this new bug, install Koha, and submit the patch for it. 19:25 jcamins_away So the reason you can't install Koha is because you have discovered a new bug. 19:25 jcamins_away Okay, good. I understood correctly. 19:25 smeagol Install koha git dev on my server here, create a branch, hack away, and submit code to the community, hopefully..if all goes well! 19:24 jcamins_away (the instructions will change drastically if I have misunderstood and your goal is not to write code to contribute to Koha) 19:22 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" 19:22 jcamins_away first question? 19:22 jcamins_away Actually, let's start over. 19:22 jcamins_away Which you just discovered. 19:22 jcamins_away It's a bug. 19:22 jcamins_away It's not in the install notes. 19:22 smeagol ok..i'll look into that. Haven't really seen that in install notes. thanks 19:22 jcamins_away Checking out an older version and then upgrading would be extra work, and removing that space is a patch that will make it into Koha very quickly, so you can have a commit to your name next week. :) 19:18 jcamins_away Then you can install Koha. 19:18 jcamins_away So the first thing you have to do is remove that space. 19:18 tcohen its the only way to get it polished i guess 19:18 jcamins_away (answer: yes) 19:18 jcamins_away smeagol: in order to install Koha you need to remove the extra space from the kohastructure.sql file, right? 19:18 jcamins_away I am comfortable with including it, even if it's not going to be generally used yet. 19:18 tcohen :-D 19:18 jcamins_away :) 19:17 jcamins_away tcohen: I was going to push it. 19:17 oleonard tcohen: Get to it when he can, I'm guessing? 19:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8519 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Passed QA , Make koha-index-daemon run on startup 19:17 jcamins_away bug 8519 19:16 tcohen RM jcamins_away sir, what will u do about 8519? 19:16 smeagol Well, I'm just trying to INSTALL koha, at this point on my server. I don't know how it's "removing" a space.. 19:15 jcamins_away And if it worked, you submit a patch removign the space. 19:15 jcamins_away Then you go through the installer. 19:15 jcamins_away Yeah, so the first thing you do is remove the space. 19:15 smeagol Right. But this happened when i tried to run the installer:8080 19:14 jcamins_away Right, so if you want to submit code, you must track master. 19:14 smeagol I haven't submitted a patch yet 19:13 rangi your first patch could be removing that space :) 19:13 smeagol This is just for development purposes 19:13 rangi if you want to develop, then master is fine 19:13 rangi if you want to use koha, you should run from the releases 19:13 smeagol Not too familiar with git yet 19:13 rangi you should contribute code based on master 19:13 smeagol I guess I have to state what version I want to track/install? 19:12 smeagol Actually, no I wanted to install stable (i guess) so i can create a branch and contribute code 19:04 rangi right, so you are running master .. (the pre release code) this is in dev right eh, just for developing/testing ? 19:03 smeagol i did git clone git://git.koha-community.org/koha.git kohaclone 19:02 rangi either way, id file a bug 18:58 * rangi was worried we had released something like that ... phew 18:58 rangi smeagol: are you trying to install master ? from git? 18:57 rangi yeah its fine in 3.10.x and 3.8.x 18:57 rangi right 18:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8782 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Add a feature to close a subscription 18:57 oleonard Yes. I was looking at gitweb, it's in the patch for Bug 8782 18:56 rangi oleonard: where did you see the space .. in master? 18:56 rangi hmm no file seems ok there 18:53 trea i'll say 18:53 rangi hiya tcohen 18:53 rangi hey trea, nicer weather today eh? 18:53 rangi smeagol: is it 3.10.0 ? 18:51 tcohen s/rn/orn/ 18:48 tcohen mrning rangi 18:45 smeagol Um..should i wait, or try to install a diff version?.and thanks for yor response 18:40 rangi That could break it too 18:39 rangi Hmm yes 18:39 oleonard Could a space cause that problem? I see "`closed `" 18:36 rangi Is=I'd 18:36 rangi I'm on my phone or is try 18:35 rangi And put backticks around the word closed that might fix it 18:35 rangi And see if you can find the column closed 18:34 rangi Can you look in kohastructure.sql please 18:33 rangi I done warned them :) 18:33 rangi Looks like some zealous person removed the back ticks on a mysql file 18:31 smeagol ERROR 1166 (42000) at line 1871: Incorrect column name 'closed, anyone ever see this on an install? 18:25 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (7:00 AM NZDT on December 07, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.39 in 995 hPa (Steady). 18:25 rangi @wunder nzwn 18:24 wahanui oleonard is not really here. He said so. He did! 18:24 rangi Hey oleonard 18:23 oleonard Hi rangi 18:16 rangi I use virt-manager and kvm (fwiw) 18:16 wahanui Morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast. 18:16 rangi Morning 17:57 rambutan yep 17:56 drojf yup and it has what you need to run koha in that version 17:56 rambutan quote: "The VirtualBox sources are available free of charge under the terms and conditions of the GNU General Public License, Version 2." 17:55 rambutan However, you can build the GPLv2 from sources... https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads 17:55 drojf Since version 4.0 The PUEL/OSE separation was given up in favor of an open source base product and a closed source extension pack that can be installed on top of the base product. As part of this change, additional components of VirtualBox were made open source (installers, documentation, device drivers) 17:55 rambutan you may be right, I don't see the OSE now. 17:52 drojf i don't think they have this classification anymore, the free one has just less functionality now and you need nonfree extras for some things 17:51 rambutan OSE=open source edition 17:51 rambutan and there is an Deb-approved version of OSE VirtualBox, if you can get it to work 17:50 rambutan ah, not praise exactly, more like discussion of functional features 17:50 gerundio thankfully Koha's IRC users are very active 17:49 drojf i was just confused entering into a praise for proprietary software 17:49 drojf gerundio: without off topic talk there would be a lot of silence around here :P 17:48 rambutan and the VM discussion is related to Koha.... 17:48 rambutan gerundio: depends on the active chatters at the time. :) 17:47 rambutan I've acknowledged those issues above. 17:47 gerundio drojf, aren't off topics welcomed? 17:46 rambutan IMHO, of course. Ack the above positive comments about Xen and KVM, of course 17:46 drojf did i come into the right channel? what is all the nonfree software joy about? 17:46 rambutan VBox 17:45 gerundio rambutan, thanks for your input... my question was more regading for an at home small personal environment 17:45 rambutan Coffee cups are important. 17:44 rambutan I understand they give out pretty cool freebies, like coffee cups, if you buy into their systems. 17:43 rambutan I've used their free VMware server in the past, and it worked well but eventually we just found VBox to be a good workable solution for our needs. But when we grow up, and have to manage 700 VMs around the world, we'll be using VMware. 17:42 rambutan VMware is what you really have to have if you want to play in the big leagues--if you need to move massive running VM's from servers in Canada to servers in Singapore with just a drag and drop, you have to have VMware. 17:41 * jcamins heads into the city. 17:40 rambutan disks are cheap--solid state drives of 250GB are relatively inexpensive and would be sufficient for smaller databases, but you could plus it up as needed. 17:35 gerundio btw, what's your take on VMWare vs Virtualbox? 17:32 jcamins Sorry folks, the fifty e-mail messages are all my fault. 17:31 gerundio how about the disk size for this kind of setup? 17:28 rambutan appliance = hardware and preloaded OS + Koha 17:28 rambutan I think there's a potentially good market for vendors to sell a prebuilt appliance. Wouldn't be hard to put a decent machine together. 17:26 jcamins There isn't a 3.10 appliance yet, though. 17:26 jcamins No, it's just on sourceforge. 17:25 gerundio :p 17:25 gerundio with mandatory user registration to be able to download 17:25 gerundio I think they've stored it deep in the forum somewhere 17:25 jcamins rambutan: yeah, Kyle has been releasing one every release. 17:24 gerundio http://www.koha.pt/ 17:24 rambutan ah 17:24 gerundio Portuguese 17:24 gerundio they talked about a VM being made available for the users 17:24 rambutan PT? 17:24 gerundio rambutan, I was at an event of the Koha PT community last week 17:24 tcohen (and maintained by them) 17:24 tcohen I prefer KVM as the hypervisor is inside the official kernel 17:23 rambutan at one point somebody was doing a Koha VM. Wonder if that's still available? 17:23 tcohen Xen support paravirtualization, which is nice in some scenarios 17:23 rambutan yep, that too 17:22 tcohen KVM is good too 17:22 rambutan yea, Xen is good. 17:21 rambutan <obligatory acknowledgment on philosophical issues in dealing with proprietary vendors> 17:21 jcamins Yeah, that's what I'd use for production. 17:21 gerundio I think our virtualization is based on Xen 17:20 jcamins I've been using Vagrant on FreeBSD. It's pretty nice. 17:19 rambutan BTW, as a separate plug for VirtualBox I've found it remarkably easy and reliable to do basic virtualization with on LInux (caveat: use the official download from Oracle, not the OSE deb packages). 17:15 rambutan although most of my base hardware is pretty decent--multi-core or multi-processor CPUs and 4-8GB of memory. 17:14 rambutan ic. If you can you might try bumping the memory allocated to the VM in the manager to 2GB, but using Virtual Box on Linux I've found pretty decent productivity with just 1 GB, 17:11 gerundio not the whole vm manager 17:11 gerundio I meant 4GB for the koha server 17:11 gerundio ..oO(I'm not the best person to answer this to you :p) 17:11 gerundio all our servers are virtualized 17:10 rambutan gerundio, you're using a virtual machine? Is it the host machine that only has 1GB, or is only 1GB allocated in your VM manager> 17:04 gerundio hopefully they won't mind to spend 4 GB for this VM :D 17:04 oleonard That's nice to hear :) 17:03 gerundio I'm backed up by a good IT team 17:03 gerundio I have enough 17:03 jcamins when it's necessary, it's desperately necessary, yesterday. 17:02 jcamins It's probably not necessary, but... 17:02 jcamins If you have enough, I'd go with 4. 17:02 gerundio lolol 17:02 jcamins lol 17:02 wahanui 6 17:02 gerundio 2 or 4? 17:01 jcamins 1GB is definitely not enough. 17:01 gerundio not really sure at this moment 17:01 gerundio users might go up to 5k maybe 17:00 gerundio 60k records at the moment 17:00 gerundio no reason in particular... just a feeling :D 17:00 jcamins How many records/users do you have? 17:00 gerundio but I feel like it's not enough 17:00 gerundio I have 1GB at the moment 16:58 jcamins gerundio: not less than 1GB. 16:57 smeagol Hi all...tryin' to do a dev git install and get error from installer that says, "ERROR 1166 (42000) at line 1871: Incorrect column name 'closed '" Not sure why i'm getting this mysql error, anyone? 16:57 francharb` ;) 16:57 francharb` sorry for the annoyance 16:57 francharb` perfect! 16:57 francharb` I just answered myself 16:57 francharb` great 16:57 francharb` but the notices.pl didnt mention any limit when using the function 16:56 francharb` C4::Letters::GetQueuedMessages says you can put a limit on how many notices will be return by the fonction 16:55 francharb` apparently, there is no limit to the number of notices displayed 16:53 gerundio jcamins, what would you consider to be a good memory value to set for a Koha production environment? 16:52 francharb` can a patron see the notice he got 5 years ago? 16:51 francharb` but are all notices display without limit? 16:50 francharb` I guess it depends on the mysql message queue table 16:50 kf bye all 16:49 francharb` on the borrower account? 16:49 francharb` within the notices tab 16:49 francharb` are display 16:49 francharb` how many notices 16:49 francharb` I just checked the documentation but just a part of answer 16:48 francharb` just a little question 16:48 francharb` hey there! 16:48 gerundio this seems to be the closest I found: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Preparing_your_system 16:39 gerundio :| 16:38 jcamins Well, wahanui isn't locked up, so I guess it doesn't have anything about system requirements. 16:38 wahanui jcamins: bugger all, i dunno 16:38 jcamins wahanui: are you there? 16:38 jcamins I thought it was system requirements. 16:38 jcamins hardware requirements? 16:37 gerundio system requirements? 16:37 gerundio requirements? 16:03 reiveune bye 15:47 gaetan_B bye ! 15:38 jcamins He is. 15:38 kf he is so clever 15:37 jcamins Myshkin just figured out how to use my external keyboard to change the brightness of my laptop screen. 15:34 gmcharlt cool 15:33 slef that should be enough 15:33 slef nm I see that we can 15:31 slef gmcharlt: can we see the biog when reviewing the moderation queue? 15:30 slef gmcharlt: I think not. After all, what is "real" anyway? 15:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8240 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , There is dead code in orderreceive.tt 15:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9167 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , The sort field copyrightdate is not standardized 15:09 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 8240: Remove dead code from orderreceive 15:09 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 9167: Standardize the sort field copyrightdate for lists 15:09 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #968: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 10 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/968/ 15:02 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @Tredok: "terrible comme je peux très vite oublier les choses qd je pratique pas ^^ #sql #kohails" 14:53 gmcharlt easily removed, of course, but I suppose that raises a question to consider: requiriing "real names"? 14:53 gmcharlt I turned those off for the initial deployment, but what you're seeing is a bit of leftover 14:53 gmcharlt slef: the ConfirmAccount extension has flags to enable requiring "Real Names" 14:39 HB lol :) 14:39 drojf what jcamins says about nullmailer. it never worked for me. 14:37 HB i start reading firrst 14:37 HB ill try postfix 14:37 HB if you cant how will i ever do it :) 14:36 jcamins Everyone says that nullmailer is super-easy, but I've never managed to configure it. 14:36 jcamins ^^ that first one is the guide I used. 14:36 wahanui postfix is found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix (but you probably can skip the SASL stuff) or at http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html 14:36 jcamins postfix? 14:36 jcamins I recommend postfix. 14:36 * jcamins hates nullmailer. 14:36 jcamins Get rid of nullmailer. 14:34 HB ok i try my other problem the people from the it department gave me an ip adress for the mail server but i did put it in the nullmailer conf file but still cant mail is there something i can do or read about that 14:31 HB learning stuff here :) 14:31 jcamins That looks right. :) 14:31 HB thx its done http://users.telenet.be/webwijzer/koha/done.jpg 14:28 kf jcamins++ :) 14:18 jcamins HB: you can just add "lib" at the beginning, replace '::' with '-' and add '-perl' at the end to get the package names. 14:17 huginn slef: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 12 hours, 48 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <gmcharlt> wizzyrea: I've tried something that *might* increase the timeout for you to 24 hours -- please let me know if you see any change 14:17 slef @seen gmcharlt 14:17 huginn slef: The operation succeeded. 14:17 slef @later tell gmcharlt the reg form says "I have read and agree to abide by the Terms of Service of Koha Wiki. The name I have specified under "Real name" is in fact my own real name." Either we need to add "Real name" or rephrase that. 14:16 magnuse jcamins++ for no backlog 14:10 HB is there a list of the dependensie names somewhere so i can install the other ? 14:09 HB :) 14:09 HB did help 14:04 HB ok i gonna try that thx for the advice 14:03 jcamins However, I'd encourage you to install all of them. 14:03 HB the red ones are bad probably :) 14:03 jcamins Okay, Text::CSV::Encoded is the only one that you definitely need. 14:03 HB there it is 14:03 HB http://users.telenet.be/webwijzer/koha/missing.jpg 14:02 jcamins Yay, no backlog in the "Passed QA" queue! 14:00 jcamins If you look in the About page in the staff client, you can see what else you need. 14:00 jcamins If you're missing that package, there's a good chance that you're missing others as well. 14:00 HB or monday :OP 14:00 HB gonna install 3.10 tomorrow 14:00 HB 3.81 14:00 jcamins What version of Koha, out of curiosity? 13:59 HB ok ill try 13:59 jcamins Yeah, that command will work fine for you then. 13:59 jenkins_koha Starting build #968 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #966 2 days 0 hr ago) 13:59 HB ubuntu 13:59 jcamins If you're on a Debian or Ubuntu system, you should install it using `sudo apt-get install libtext-csv-encoded-perl` 13:58 jcamins In this case, Text::CSV::Encoded. 13:58 jcamins It looks like you're missing some of Koha's dependencies. 13:58 HB annyone ever had this http://users.telenet.be/webwijzer/koha/ris%20error.jpg i get is if i want to download a ris file or just do a download of a list 13:57 jcamins Good morning, HB. 13:57 HB hey Koha 13:56 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8240: Remove dead code from orderreceive <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0126eb3fb5cf68adade91f78c78cc3aff3a4597f> / Bug 9167: Standardize the sort field copyrightdate for lists <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7af1288b63882a5835382c9951f62271f9b6f23d> 13:45 drojf i have all pop-ups open in a new tab. that is why i don't like them. but i dislike them even more if they pop up 13:41 jcamins All other issues aside, it keeps on running afoul of my pop-up blocker. 13:40 kf jcamins: I agreewith you :) 13:40 drojf jcamins: not a big fan of popups in general, the situation you describe sounds like it's superflous. but can't try it at the moment 13:31 jcamins Am I the only one who feels that way? 13:30 jcamins You know what I would like? I would like the "Add to list" dropdown on the OPAC to not open a pop-up if you're selected a specific list to add the items to. 13:13 drojf which could be a regular mail address of course :) 13:13 kf yeah, so I think it was a real person :) 13:12 drojf i thought there were a lot of garbage-y things like shfsklhfsk@something.tld when i looked at the list once 13:12 kf we will find out 13:12 kf not sure 13:10 drojf real-sounding 13:09 drojf do the spam accounts have real names? 13:09 kf I googled and it seems there is a person with the name at least... so hopefully 13:08 drojf kf: i was wondering how you do that 12:59 * kf opts for yes 12:58 kf hm I have no idea if the new person requesting a wiki account is real or not 12:51 drojf hi kf 12:51 kf hi drojf 12:28 kf all attached sub bugs are resolved 12:27 slef ASSIGNED enhancement probably means not in 3.10, right? 12:23 kf oleonard will know :) 12:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5481 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Replace YUI JS libraries with Jquery UI 12:21 kf bug 5481 12:21 * slef hands huginn to kf 12:21 kf looking for the yui bug rightnow 12:21 kf hm sure, I haven#t checked 12:21 slef true, but I think 3.10 includes them all already 12:20 kf but we would have a lot more files than we actually need 12:20 slef the css grid is in libjs-yui too AFAICT 12:19 kf not the js I think 12:19 kf the css grid 12:19 slef kf: it'll be with us for 3.10, right? 12:19 kf slef: I think we are almost done with phasing out the YUI js libraries 12:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9052 blocker, P5 - low, ---, robin, In Discussion , YUI assets installed in the wrong place by packages 12:18 slef nudged bug 9052 - should we switch to libjs-yui? 10:22 francharb` ;) 10:22 francharb` 0/ drojf 10:22 francharb` oups 10:22 francharb` 0 / 10:22 drojf :) 10:22 drojf hi francharb` :9 10:18 francharb` hello all 10:17 drojf good night rangi 10:15 * rangi heads to sleep 10:11 drojf [off] it took long enough to get packages working for them :P 10:11 rangi nope :) 10:11 drojf i am not going to recommend that ;) 10:10 rangi ie, you cant do it just from pacakges 10:10 rangi you can run it from packages you just have to install all the moose related modules from CPAN 10:09 drojf just that i cannot build the index atm :D 10:09 drojf i, of course, will… :) but only for fun. the indexing field interface is very promising 10:08 drojf so no solr for the library that asked me. i hope they are not crazy enough to run it from git 10:07 drojf thanks 10:07 rangi release 10:07 rangi when that green line gets to the bottom 10:07 rangi http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ 10:06 drojf ah it's frozen june 2012. what does that mean for ETA? june 2013? 10:06 rangi it only started in march 2011 10:05 rangi nope 10:05 drojf it's debian. so in 10 years? :P 10:04 rangi when it's released :) 10:04 drojf wee need a wheezy repo then ;) 10:03 magnuse drojf: yeah, it's been cold for a long time, but no snow! 10:02 rangi unless you install moose from cpan rather than packages ... hence you cant use the packages 10:02 rangi nope you cant use the solr stuff on squeeze 10:01 drojf is it possible at all to use solr with 3.10 from packages? on squeeze i had to build a lot of packages manually to get about.pl/perl module happy but it still isn't working. i tried building moose (not sure if i have to) but gave up somewhen. if i'd upgrade to wheezy, koha-common and other stuff from the koha repo would be deinstalled. 09:58 drojf magnuse: didn't you have 10° or 15° like a week ago or two? 09:32 magnuse you'd have to get up to 3-400 meters above sea level to find some old patches of snow here... 09:30 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -5.0°C (10:20 AM CET on December 06, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: -13.0°C. Windchill: -12.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). 09:30 magnuse @wunder boo 09:15 slef snow on the ground here, too 09:15 huginn slef: The current temperature in Holbeach, United Kingdom is -1.0°C (8:50 AM GMT on December 06, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Rising). 09:15 slef @wunder Holbeach 09:15 huginn slef: Error: No such location could be found. 09:15 slef @wunder Leverington 09:14 huginn slef: I suck 09:14 slef huginn: you suck ;) 09:14 huginn slef: Error: No such location could be found. 09:14 slef @wunder egfd 09:14 huginn slef: Error: No such location could be found. 09:14 slef @wunder egyh 09:12 wahanui hi, gaetan_B 09:12 gaetan_B hello 09:12 huginn slef: Error: No such location could be found. 09:12 slef @wunder egfc 09:11 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (10:00 PM NZDT on December 06, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.42 in 996 hPa (Steady). 09:11 rangi @wunder nzwn 09:10 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is -0.4°C (9:43 AM CET on December 06, 2012). Conditions: Snow. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady). 09:10 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 09:08 drojf hi rangi :) 09:08 drojf magnuse: you realized that now? :D 09:08 rangi hi drojf 09:08 drojf and a very snowy morning too 09:08 drojf good morning #koha 08:40 magnuse wow, MARC is crazy 08:32 kf good morning #koha 08:00 julian_m bonjour 07:41 wahanui bonjour, reiveune 07:41 reiveune hello 07:40 alex_a_ hello 07:33 rangi cool :) 07:31 magnuse rangi: thanks for nudging me in the direction of dancer - i like! 07:29 magnuse kia ora rangi 07:23 cait hi rangi and magnuse 07:22 rangi evening 07:20 magnuse hiya cait and #koha 07:00 cait hello #koha 06:51 * magnuse waves 06:13 francharb hello #koha 04:32 rambutan and I'll be back in the morning too...time for my sleep quantum 04:18 rangi :) 04:17 eythian then again, they may be saving that for tomorrow morning. 04:17 mtj awesome news 04:16 eythian well, I haven't seen them access their staff client just yet :) 04:16 rangi As of a few mins ago :) 04:16 rangi From NIWA who are koha users 04:15 rangi http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/SC1212/S00013/tornadoes-how-frequently-do-they-hit-new-zealand.htm 04:15 eythian yep 04:14 mtj … you know you've chosen the wrong license, when its creator tells you not to use it, for that specific purpose 04:12 mtj wow, from the horses mouth 04:12 mtj 'We recommend considering licenses made available by the Free Software Foundation or listed at the Open Source Initiative. Unlike our licenses, which do not make mention of source or object code, these existing licenses were designed specifically for use with software. Furthermore, our licenses are not compatible with the GPL, the most frequently used free software license.' 04:11 mtj We do not recommend it. ' 04:11 mtj 'Can I apply a Creative Commons license to software? 04:11 mtj ahh, they do -> http://wiki.creativecommons.org/FAQ#Can_I_use_a_Creative_Commons_license_for_software.3F 04:11 eythian yeah, I heard about that 04:11 rambutan e 04:11 rambutan http://www.libraryjournal.com/lj/home/890738-264/20_percent_of_joplin_public.html.csp <- very destructive tornado about 340km from her 04:11 eythian I'd expect them to point to the FSF. 04:10 mtj http://creativecommons.org/software 04:10 mtj hmm, do cc.org recommend using other licenses for software, rather than cc.org ones? 04:09 eythian We probably get them in Wellington but nobody notices. 04:09 eythian yeah, most of ours aren't damaging. 04:08 rambutan still, 7 or so every half century? That's pretty rare. 04:07 eythian keeping in mind that this is just the reasonably significant ones 04:07 eythian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Southern_Hemisphere_tornadoes_and_tornado_outbreaks#New_Zealand <-- I'm not convinced this is a statistically significant change 04:06 user00 ic. Well tornados are common around here, including associated deaths and property damage. Hope that doesn't become the case there. 04:06 ibeardslee ok .. maybe I've just noticed them on the news more often 04:04 eythian (well, notable damage) 04:04 eythian only every few years do they cause damage 04:04 eythian auckland typically gets a couple per year 04:03 eythian but there have been a few more in the past couple of years 04:03 eythian we've always had them 04:03 ibeardslee not common at all ... but we do seem to be seeing more of them .. a sign of global warming? 04:02 user00 news reported a tornado, indicated tornados aren't very common in NZ 04:01 eythian 3 people dead sort of bad weather, yeah 04:01 user00 rangi: bit of bad weather around auckland? 03:33 * eythian just used BibTeX to do it all 03:32 jcamins [off] Heaven preserve of us from the citations of non-bibliographers. 03:31 jcamins Three and a half hours to prepare a bibliography just over three pages. 03:28 rangi exactly 03:27 eythian I mean, do ads on your blog count as commercial? 03:27 eythian though it's still vague 03:27 eythian if you want people to show it and not sell it, yeah 03:25 rangi NC makes sense for a photograph ... maybe ... but not really even then 03:20 rangi it precludes your right to use 03:20 mtj wow, nice example 03:20 rangi it doesnt just preclude your right to distribute 03:20 rangi if it was under a NC license they couldnt 03:19 rangi if opus a for profit company uses koha, for commercial use 03:19 mtj lol, so true 03:19 rangi grey areas are what lawyers live for 03:19 jcamins rangi: that's arguably grayer than my (personal) right to sell Koha. 03:18 rangi not for profit != non commercial 03:18 rangi including public libraries 03:18 rangi and lots of libraries are commercial enterprises 03:18 rangi it protects the rights of libraries to use koha 03:17 jcamins The GPL protects my right to sell Koha, provided that I give my clients the source code. 03:17 jcamins Koha is GPLed. 03:17 jcamins Most definitely not. 03:17 jcamins No. 03:16 rangi no 03:16 mtj stupid Q but… is Koha non-commerical use? 03:16 rangi mo money mo money 03:16 rangi lawyers love that 03:16 eythian oh yeah, there've been lots of surveys to try to pin down what that really means 03:15 mtj ^^ something i've always been confused about too 03:14 mtj That Blurry Line Between Commercial & Non-Commercial Use Still Troubling For Creative Commons 03:14 mtj http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090602/2322205106.shtml 03:11 wizzyrea h 03:11 wizzyrea huzza 03:10 jcamins Yay! 02:57 rangi first user moderated 02:57 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges 02:57 jcamins Hehe. 02:57 eythian there, problem solved 02:57 eythian Query OK, 139583 rows affected (3.11 sec) 02:57 eythian delete from biblio where biblionumber<139615; 02:56 eythian I did clear items twice, to be sure, apparently. 02:55 eythian bother 02:55 eythian yes 02:55 eythian hmm 02:55 eythian ah 02:54 jcamins Did you possibly clear out biblioitems but not biblio? 02:54 eythian no, no options at all 02:53 jcamins Oh, I meant --bib-limit 02:53 eythian so now it's going happily 02:53 eythian my numbers start around that mark 02:53 eythian ... processed 139600 records 02:53 eythian Could not retrieve bib 139614 from the database - record is corrupt. 02:53 eythian Could not retrieve bib 139611 from the database - record is corrupt. 02:53 eythian no 02:53 jcamins eythian: are you using --where='biblionumber > 5432'? 02:52 eythian yes 02:52 eythian SELECT biblionumber FROM biblio $bib_where ORDER BY biblionumber ASC 02:52 mtj the SQL is selecting on a bibnumber, even? 02:51 eythian but I can't see why it would do that. 02:51 eythian there is something odd about link_bibs_to_authorities, it seems to be starting from bibnumber 1, even when my bib number range starts much higher than that. 02:45 jcamins [off] I'm not saying it wasn't a mistake, just that if you ignore all the warnings you're probably not going to be selective about the ignoring. 02:44 mtj there is a small possibility it was a genuine mistake :) 02:42 jcamins [off] Because the big clear sign that says "Don't use CC for licensing source code" isn't big or clear? 02:42 mtj … they might not be aware of the incompatibility between CC and GPL? 02:39 rangi yup 02:39 mtj well… i reckon its a point worth noting, for all... 02:39 jcamins lol 02:38 rangi mtj: stirrer :) 02:34 trea ah, the good ol' days 02:34 druthb cut an extra write-protect notch, and you're good to go. 02:34 * druthb had a C64 that could only read SDs...flip the disk to save moolah. 02:34 wizzyrea there you have it :) 02:34 * druthb remembers those. 320 for SD, 640 for DD (flip 'em over!), and 1.2 MB for HD. 02:33 eythian I think it was 320 per side 02:33 eythian *740 maybe 02:33 eythian 1.2MB for the HD, 320K for the DD, or something along those lines 02:33 wizzyrea or was that 3.5 in 02:33 eythian depends 02:33 wizzyrea what they had... 1.4 MB on each one? 02:32 eythian (June '91 specifically) 02:31 trea indeed 02:31 eythian well, they were the standard disk size around that time 02:29 wizzyrea 5 1/4in I guess 02:27 * jcamins got to the graphical shell bit. 02:27 jcamins Oh... my. 02:26 wizzyrea also, it comes on 5in floppies 02:26 wizzyrea I know you wanted to know about that. 02:26 jcamins Oh my. 02:26 wizzyrea oh you missed them rapping about a graphical shell 02:26 eythian heh 02:26 trea i got 1:19 in before my ears started bleeding 02:25 wizzyrea at LEAST 02:25 wizzyrea 45k of memory! 02:25 wizzyrea that's alarming. 02:24 trea oh dear 02:23 wizzyrea ...oh no 02:23 eythian http://youtu.be/dmEvPZUdAVI <-- Microsoft MS-DOS 5 upgrade training 01:32 wizzyrea oh bless you 01:28 gmcharlt wizzyrea: I've tried something that *might* increase the timeout for you to 24 hours -- please let me know if you see any change 01:12 rangi just that we get the info from persona, not a cert 01:12 eythian ah OK 01:12 rangi matching a user with an email 01:11 rangi its actually quite similair to the PKI stuffs 01:11 eythian cool 01:11 rangi i did it at kohacon 01:11 rangi its about half done 01:11 rangi i gotta finish my implementation for koha 01:10 eythian http://identity.mozilla.com/post/32395255498/announcing-the-first-beta-release-of-persona <-- a bit over a month ago 01:10 wizzyrea i admit that I didn't look >.< 01:10 wizzyrea ... maybe it's a stupid setting I have in my account 01:09 eythian we should use that. 01:09 eythian oh hey, it pretty much is a thing now 01:07 * eythian wishes browserid was a thing yet. 01:07 eythian weird. Well I've just switched to openid, so I'll keep an eye on it. I don't expect that to make a difference though. 01:06 wizzyrea man mine kicks me out after like 20 mintues or something 00:55 * eythian invalidates his session 00:55 eythian hmm 00:55 eythian err that looks ugly 00:55 eythian wiki.koha-community.orgsession/wikidb_sessionc4d9d98b4c80d38dcdf5ea695972fe91 00:53 eythian maybe it's a session cookie? 00:53 eythian openid shouldn't matter, I'd expect it to be the cookie time. 00:53 wizzyrea excpet when it's not 00:53 wizzyrea sso seems like such a good idea 00:53 wizzyrea but really it mostly annoys me. 00:53 * wizzyrea was trying to be fancy pants and use openid 00:52 wizzyrea hmmmm 00:52 gmcharlt yeah 00:52 rangi sounds likely 00:52 wizzyrea it must be something to do with openid then? 00:52 rangi cos i dont 00:52 rangi do you use openid wizzyrea ? 00:52 wizzyrea bless you kind sir 00:52 rangi my login doesnt kick me out for days 00:52 gmcharlt wizzyrea: yes; I'll look into it 00:51 wizzyrea (and is there a reason not to do that since we are approving users) 00:51 wizzyrea gmcharlt - is there any way to up the amount of time you get before the wiki kicks you out and makes you relogin? 00:50 jcamins gmcharlt++