Time Nick Message 23:23 mtj thats the best Koha news i've heard in many years 23:21 jcamins Well prior to the meeting. 23:21 jcamins The OpenNCIP issue was resolved. 23:21 mtj ah, so it was… :) 23:21 mtj 18:46 druthb #agreed GPLv3+, as of 3.12.0, with two exceptions, and pending the openncip issue. 23:20 mtj ah, i hadnt clicked to that yet 23:19 jcamins mtj: the new license passed. 23:18 mtj jesus wept 23:17 mtj oh man, just reading back the meeting from last nite 23:10 jcamins Yeah, that's what I thought. 23:10 eythian the workflow there would work fine without the stash entirely, I think 23:08 jcamins I'm not sure about that git stash tip... why would I want to do that? 23:03 jcamins As an aside, a side-effect of the way the configuration works is that with a tiny code change it would be possible to specify callbacks in the configuration file. 23:02 eythian http://durdn.com/blog/2012/12/05/git-12-curated-git-tips-and-workflows/ <-- nothing too exciting there, but good for people who want to know a few more handy tricks 22:59 jcamins bag: if you're interested in looking at a squashed and rebased version of the search rewrite, I have that in an sr_squashed branch. 22:46 rangi gmcharlt++ 22:46 rangi works perfectly 22:46 gmcharlt :P 22:46 * rangi rejects them 22:46 gmcharlt rangi: I dunno.. that character seems mighty suspicious 22:45 rangi for those that can see 22:45 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ConfirmAccounts/authors&wpShowHeld=0 22:45 rangi hehe 22:45 tcohen perfect 22:43 gmcharlt namely: already blocked, or "contributed" spam, or at least 10 days old and *never* made any edits 22:43 gmcharlt tcohen: heh; correct, existing accounts won't be touched unless they meet the criteria for the purge 22:43 rangi cait: yep 22:41 tcohen i'll try not to ask too much then :-P 22:40 cait can we block someone approved that starts spamming too? 22:40 tcohen existing accounts remain untouched, right? 22:37 rangi yes, yes there are 22:37 gmcharlt (and holy cow, there are a ton of accounts) 22:37 gmcharlt magnuse: ok, it should work for you now 22:36 rangi gmcharlt++ # good email 22:34 gmcharlt *also* bureaucrats 22:34 gmcharlt I'll make admins bureaucrats, then 22:34 gmcharlt magnuse: ah, OK 22:27 phlunk oops lmao 22:27 phlunk exit 22:25 * magnuse goes to sleep 22:23 magnuse gmcharlt: i'm in the Administrators group, but not Bureaucrats. on http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Special:ConfirmAccounts i get "Permission error - The action you have requested is limited to users in the group: Bureaucrats." 22:18 wizzyrea gmcharlt++ 22:18 wizzyrea ty gmcharlt 22:18 wizzyrea oh cooool 22:18 eythian (this is tidying up the database in prep for a final migration) 22:17 jcamins okay, no problem there. 22:17 jcamins So if you want to remove those you need to either delete all $9s or ... 22:17 eythian I'm deleting all the bibs too 22:17 eythian oh 22:17 eythian how do I delete them? 22:17 jcamins But that will leave any links that might have been in the bibs. 22:17 eythian cool ta 22:17 jcamins And reindex the authorities. 22:17 jcamins Yes. 22:16 eythian jcamins: say I wanted to delete them all from SQL, I'd just truncate that? 22:16 gmcharlt cait: yep 22:16 jcamins Sorta. 22:16 wahanui i guess auth_header is empty 22:16 jcamins auth_header. 22:16 gmcharlt wizzyrea: thd-away: and any other folks who have the admin or the beaurecrat bit on the wiki ... you can do that too 22:16 eythian what table(s) do authorities end up in? 22:16 cait ah, empty queue? 22:16 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. 22:16 gmcharlt @later tell davidnind you're now set to confirm/deny new user registrations on the wiki - go to http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Special:ConfirmAccounts to see the queue 22:15 rangi thanks 22:15 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. 22:15 gmcharlt @later tell oleonard you're now set to confirm/deny new user registrations on the wiki - go to http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Special:ConfirmAccounts to see the queue 22:15 gmcharlt cait: slef: rangi: you're now set to confirm/deny new user registrations on the wiki - go to http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Special:ConfirmAccounts to see the queue 22:09 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @BibLibre: "#kohails Lire la traduction française de la newsletter Koha de novembre : http://t.co/wclVOOWv" 22:09 rangi so even if htat was in, it wouldn't do what you were asking 22:08 rangi jatara: i think you might have updated the wrong bug, that one is only for exactly 1 report, the overdue items .. not all 22:05 cait gmcharlt++ 22:02 rangi ohh cool 22:02 gmcharlt as you can see, it's *very* minimal, but if anybody wants to extend it or discuss extending it ... here it is 22:01 gmcharlt http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Wiki:Terms_of_Service 22:01 gmcharlt since the MediaWiki ConfirmAccount plugin suggets one, I've created a "terms of service" page for the wiki 22:01 nengard i probably am imagining it 22:01 nengard i thought i saw somehting where a log was being kept of the messages even after they were deleted 22:01 wizzyrea that has also been there for a long time - but it depends on how you add the message. There is no history if you delete them. 22:01 nengard those messages 22:01 nengard where you click 'add a new message' on the checkout screen 22:00 nengard messages left on the circulation page - not notices 22:00 cait library messages? or notices? 22:00 wizzyrea message history has been in for a long time 22:00 nengard anyone know the bug number? 22:00 nengard am i dreaming or was there a dev to keep the history of messages put on a patron's record? 21:59 nengard I'm training a new library and i remember a dev/enh that i can't find a bug report for 21:59 nengard hi all, 21:54 jcamins Agreed. 21:54 jcamins lol 21:54 eythian I think we should have an email party on koha-patches when sjohnsonAThpplnj.org returns and turns off the auto-away. 21:40 wizzyrea (the rest of the story - who knows) 21:40 wizzyrea and many songs were written 21:40 wizzyrea and then came the golden age of Koha 21:39 wizzyrea and then there was 3.2, and it was better. 21:39 wizzyrea in the beginning there was koha, and it was good. 21:39 wizzyrea that one is from the 'before time' 21:39 wizzyrea hehe we used to say that about 2.x ;) 21:38 rangi thats like from 312 BC 21:38 rangi but yeah 3.00.06 21:38 wizzyrea indeed - wut? 21:38 rangi im gonna forward it to the main list 21:38 rangi http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-patches/2012-December/017583.html 21:37 wizzyrea ohh... 21:37 rangi see the patches mailing list 21:37 wizzyrea you are boggling? 21:37 cait hm? 21:31 * rangi boggles 21:26 jatara Ok. Will document. 21:25 cait yep, def a bug 21:24 mtj .. perhaps you could document your problem in Koha's bugzilla 21:24 mtj jatara, it sounds like a bug? 21:21 jatara We want them to run previously created reports, but not create new ones themselves. 21:20 jatara Yes, we have. We disabled "create SQL reports" for them, but it prevented them from being able to run reports, believe it or not. 21:20 cait I am nto sure it works like advertised, but I think we got the permissoins to do just that 21:19 cait jatara: have you checked user permissions? 21:16 jatara Are there any ways we can allow a user to run reports, but not create them? 21:12 francharb hi all 21:12 wizzyrea bah lol just as I have a question for him :) 21:08 oleonard See you later #koha 20:59 * slef breaks for dinner 20:58 magnuse :-) 20:58 cait bye magnuse 20:58 rangi cya magnuse 20:57 * magnuse calls it a day 20:57 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Attaching Files to Patron Records in Koha 3.10 http://t.co/kfOOTCP0" 20:54 magnuse you'd think that would make some kind of sense, yes... 20:53 slef That surprised me. I thought vendors might want to sell stuff to more people more easily ;) 20:52 slef Vendors don't exactly run forwards to support EDI development :-/ 20:52 slef I fear it's at least vendor-specific and might even be client-specific. 20:52 slef Then no-one would be under any illusions that the published code would work. 20:51 magnuse yeah, could be worth a try 20:51 slef I hesitate to suggest someone pay for that time, as it might still not work :-/ - maybe I should put it up on a crowdfunding site, first to publish, then to get it to release. 20:50 slef more money||time 20:50 slef If I had more money = more time, ... 20:50 slef So not easy. Not great code. 20:50 slef Without looking, I'd love to extract the code and throw it over the wall (which is probably the best we can do now) in case someone can still use it, but we've failed to get it into a publishable (let alone QA-ready) state, as did our partners. 20:49 magnuse slef: i just asked you :-) 20:48 slef I'm aware of the thread 20:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7736 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mark.gavillet, Failed QA , Edifact QUOTE and ORDER functionality 20:48 slef magnuse: why not just ask me? I'm aware of it, need to check my case notes for a long-dead :-( project and I don't think there's any relationship to bug 7736. 20:47 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded. 20:47 magnuse @later tell slef: someone was asking about edifact the other day, maybe you could update bug 2443 with a status, and comment on the relationship to bug 7736 20:37 cait good night drojf 20:36 drojf good night #koha 20:36 drojf ok i should start to use starman then. but not tonight. unless i return at 3am again :/ 20:35 jcamins I can reproduce it every time. 20:35 jcamins *Starman 20:35 jcamins drojf: yeah, it might be STarman-specific. 20:33 drojf jcamins: found my error (remainder of a test in opacuserjs). can't reproduce your bug, works ok for me, i get an "added tags" (or similar, using german version) message. i am not using starman, just running opac.psgi, could that be a reason? 20:20 phlunk thank you cait 20:20 slef cait: I'm just trying to track stuff I've touched with a particular hat on but not used for a while, but now is dinner. 20:20 cait untested 20:19 cait and items.onloan is NULL 20:19 slef cait: things I need 20:19 phlunk Hey everyone, I have what I presume is a basic question. Can someone tell me how to add the where statement to not display books which are checked out to the following query? http://pastebin.com/7gdQnRMJ 20:19 cait slef: what are you looking for? 20:18 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8738 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , DateTime object being compared to a date string in circulation 20:18 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7716 enhancement, P3, ---, mjr, ASSIGNED , Statistical/analytic item type 20:18 slef huginn: query analytic item types 20:18 huginn slef: downloading the Perl source 20:18 slef huginn: bum 20:18 huginn slef: No results for "autoMemberSuffix." 20:18 slef huginn: query autoMemberSuffix 20:17 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8516 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, Pushed to Master , Add a "Street Address" search option to the patrons search 20:17 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1633 enhancement, P3, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Add ability to take book cover images from local img db 20:17 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3765 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Road Types and Street Numbers on Patron Rec Inconsistent 20:17 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4041 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Address Format as a I18N/L10N system preference 20:17 slef huginn: query street address 20:17 drojf let me see 20:17 drojf no but i get some other funny error. maybe something is weird on my end 20:17 cait drojf++ for signing off 20:15 jcamins drojf: does Firebug give youa 500 error? 20:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9136 major, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , C4::Tags not Plack-compatible 20:14 drojf jcamins: how do i reproduce bug 9136? i try adding a tag in opac detail view and it works the same (=not really) with plack and without: i can enter the tag text, click 'add' and nothing happens, when i reload the page the tag is added. no error 20:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7494 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, In Discussion , Use partial barcode or callnumber as a fallback for the barcode search in checkout 20:13 slef bug 7494 20:12 wahanui sixth question is "Why are you still asking wahanui?" or "How bored are you?" 20:12 slef wahanui: sixth question? 20:12 wahanui slef: huh? 20:12 slef wahanui: pervert 20:12 wahanui I like *your* figure 20:12 slef wahanui: figures 20:12 wahanui slef: excuse me? 20:12 slef wahanui: clearly 20:12 wahanui slef: i'm not following you... 20:12 slef wahanui: prat 20:12 wahanui slef: i haven't a clue 20:12 slef wahanui: no, you don't watch many films, do you? 20:11 wahanui I haven't seen 'skyfall', slef 20:11 slef seen skyfall at cinema... and I'm sure I've seen something else but I can't tell you what. 20:11 slef I think I was watching the avengers films and something else on planes this year 20:11 rangi i get no time anywhere else 20:11 rangi thats where i watch movies 20:11 oleonard Hey I think I saw that on an airplane too! 20:11 rangi interesting premise .. could have been a good movie, instead was crap 20:11 slef oleonard: I thought that from the cast, but 6.6/10 ??? 20:10 rangi it is bad 20:10 rangi i saw it on the flight to kohacon 20:10 slef not that I remember 20:10 oleonard Oh my god that movie was so bad. 20:10 rangi trading in time 20:10 rangi http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1637688/ 20:09 slef the movie "in time"? 20:09 slef it's gone, let go 20:09 rangi did you ever see the movie in time? 20:09 rangi either way, id like the 17 or so hours i wasted on emails wiht him back *grin* 20:08 slef Probably wrong role. 20:08 slef I don't think there are such people. It's a dog helps dog world. But sometimes we can't overcome all the nurture-caused problems. 20:08 rangi so maybe just in the wrong role 20:07 rangi some ppl are doers some are talkers 20:07 rangi or he might have just been argumentative by nature :) 20:07 slef So the pressure escaped sideways. 20:07 rangi could be 20:07 slef I wonder if he was being ordered to work on it too, but didn't want to. 20:07 slef yeah that's a bit more 20:05 rangi i guess i value my own time more than that 20:05 rangi thats a good use of your life, specially if you are being paid to work on said project 20:04 rangi seriously? 20:04 rangi ? 20:04 rangi yeah but 1.5 years of discovering 20:03 slef else it just makes you resent it even more later 20:03 slef meh, I disagree... best discover if you agree with a project before wasting work on it 20:02 rangi his energy could have been chanelled better 20:02 slef it's like you say on the wiki, added by drojf IIRC 20:02 rangi rickw did a lot of arguing for not a lot of code 20:02 rangi someone may have extended it to do tabs too 20:02 slef Plus rickw arguing for nowarn. 20:01 slef yeah, I found that. Twice. ;-) 20:01 rangi http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2011/12/15/fixing-whitespace-when-apply-patches-with-git/ <-- that's what i do 20:01 slef nm 20:01 slef hrm, wonder who persauded me to add that 19:57 rangi cos thats just dangerous 19:57 rangi i dont automatically change tabs to spaces 19:57 rangi and spaces before tabs 19:56 rangi git config --global core.whitespace trailing-space,space-before-tab 19:56 rangi i only clean up trailing whitespace 19:55 slef I can leave it disabled and think for myself I think 19:55 slef whitespace = warn is the default 19:54 slef They loooove me ;) 19:54 slef I do. Frequently. Haven't you heard? 19:54 jcamins Blame Debian. 19:54 slef torturing me 19:54 slef y'all suck ;) 19:53 jcamins You should do that only when testing this one patch. 19:53 * slef RTFMs 19:53 slef ^^ I just delete that from the git config, right? 19:53 slef whitespace = fix 19:53 slef [apply] 19:52 slef Changes submitted for bug 9052 19:52 rangi and that fix, doesnt move them correctly 19:51 rangi its just the packaging doesnt 19:51 rangi we know the files are moved 19:51 jcamins slef: that is the only file in the whole Koha codebase that should have tabs for indentation. 19:51 rangi no 19:51 rangi yep, the files were moved 19:51 slef as in, will a diff against 3.8 illuminate? 19:51 slef is this new in 3.10? 19:51 rangi is why that patch didnt work 19:50 rangi but its more that the files are still not in the right place 19:50 slef someone's tip on git config was wrong then 19:50 rangi do not change that :) 19:50 rangi and yes 19:50 jcamins FWIW 19:50 jcamins The indentation in that file *must* be a tab. 19:50 * slef goes changes the status 19:50 rangi we already tested it 19:50 slef hahaha 19:49 rangi that patch doesnt work 19:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9052 blocker, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , YUI assets installed in the wrong place by packages 19:49 slef $(TMP)/usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/lib/yui 19:49 slef warning while applying bug 9052's patch:14: tab in indent. 19:45 slef oh wait 19:45 * slef gives wahanui a highfive and a finger 19:44 wahanui OK, eythian_. 19:44 eythian_ wahanui: highfive is <reply>gimmie six! 19:44 slef https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_ballot#Secrecy_vs._reliability if anyone wants more 19:44 cait HIGHFIVE 19:43 wizzyrea HIGHFIVE 19:43 cait lol 19:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8557 normal, P3, ---, christophe.croullebois, Pushed to Stable , in orderreceive.tt and serials-edit.tt the use of a barcode scan send the form unexpectedly 19:43 cait bug 8557 19:43 wizzyrea I found it bug 8557 19:43 wizzyrea ah is np 19:42 cait trying to figure it out, give me a sec 19:42 wizzyrea :D 19:42 wizzyrea fab fab fab 19:42 cait not sure about isbn's but I know I checked one for barcodes 19:42 wahanui which bug number is probably it? 19:42 wizzyrea do you know which bug number? 19:42 rangi gmcharlt: true 19:42 wizzyrea cooooooool 19:42 cait wizzyrea: yes - and it should be fixed in master I tihnk 19:42 gmcharlt I'm sure that will catch folks that have registered but never made any edits, but that can be readily explained via postings to the mailing lists 19:42 wizzyrea cait: separate thing - scanning ISBN's or barcodes in acquisitions - the auto carriage return on barcode scanners is an ergonomic thing (submits the form before people are usually ready) - do you know if there is a bug for it? I can't find one but I thought since you had done all that work in acq you might know if that had been fixed 19:41 gmcharlt magnuse: actually, trimming accounts that have made no edits yet is easy to do 19:41 slef oh great, I'm like the United Kingdom :-/ 19:41 slef "The United Kingdom secret ballot arrangements are sometimes criticised because it is possible to link a ballot paper to the voter who cast it. Each ballot paper is individually numbered and each elector also has a number." (wikipedia again) 19:41 oleonard We'll see how it goes and re-evaluate if necessary 19:40 oleonard I think this is a good option to try out 19:40 slef Not sure if that's good or not. 19:40 rangi slef: yeah 19:40 slef I think gnustep asks people to mail the list to get editing enabled. 19:40 magnuse oops, gotta run 19:40 magnuse yeah, i expect so, rangi 19:39 slef Not sure how much it achieves that if the results are published, actually. 19:39 rangi the spam always comes from new accounts 19:39 rangi ie all old ones just stay 19:39 rangi i think we start from now magnuse 19:39 slef "secret ballot is a voting method in which a voter's choices in an election or a referendum are anonymous. The key aim is to ensure the voter records a sincere choice by forestalling attempts to influence the voter by intimidation or bribery." (wikipedia) 19:39 * cait is hoping for some simple instructions 19:39 magnuse not sure how we tell what are legitimate registrations, though? and there might still be a lot of spam from accounts already created, unless gmcharlt finds some magic way to delete all accounts that have not made any edits yet, or something 19:38 oleonard Hopefully after I spend some time going over what was covered I will have some suggestions for Koha 19:37 magnuse recentchanges++ 19:37 cait oleonard: I saw your tweets - hoped you were having fun :) 19:37 oleonard cait: They spent some time on git, so I had no trouble there, but the more advanced javascript was pretty heavy 19:37 cait yay :) 19:36 rangi recentchanges actually becomes useful again 19:36 slef git remote prune only does so much 19:36 rangi the big sideeffect of this will be 19:36 oleonard cait: It was very informative. Got over my head a bit at the end, but really good stuff. 19:36 slef can someone remind me how I remove git remote branches and objects that I don't care about any more? 19:36 gmcharlt give me a few minutes 19:36 gmcharlt oleonard: yes, there's a configuration change first 19:36 cait how was your conf oleonard? :) 19:35 cait lol 19:35 rangi back 19:35 * oleonard can't wait to start crushing people's wiki dreams!! 19:35 cait oleonard: I was hoping gmcharlt would give us hints after changing the config 19:35 slef oleonard: I think gmcharlt likes keeping us in suspense here 19:34 oleonard So are we waiting for a configuration change before learning how registration moderation will work? 19:34 * eythian_ returns to breakfast 19:34 drojf cait could chair a meeting for magnuse and eythian 19:34 eythian_ that'll do it. 19:34 druthb your timezones are off. 19:34 drojf lol 19:34 eythian_ wasn't there a meeting thing about now, or are my timezones off? 19:34 magnuse kia ora eythian 19:34 magnuse land of black metal... 19:33 magnuse moahahah 19:33 magnuse i couldn't stand te suspense - would druthb be able to pull it off?!? 19:33 druthb beware the ebil Norwegians! 19:33 * druthb pouts. 19:33 magnuse moahahah 19:33 slef druthb: magnuse hates you. It's clear. 19:33 magnuse gmcharlt: i hereby volunteer for moderating registrations on the wiki (i already have some kind of extra privileges, not sure if any more are needed) 19:33 druthb First meeting I chair here, and magnuse misses it. I'm hurt. 19:33 jcamins drojf: I think at some point it got switched around. 19:31 slef magnuse: tell it to the gmcharlt ;) 19:31 magnuse slef: no, but i would (will) volunteer for moderating registrations on the wiki 19:31 drojf jcamins: oh. that's odd. i haven't read all comments, i thought html is optional and broken if turned on, otherwise fine 19:30 * thd goes to the console. 19:28 jcamins That's why it was critical. 19:28 jcamins No, I mean without that patch no non-English e-mails worked. 19:27 drojf jcamins: then the option is the bug :P 19:27 jcamins drojf: because without that patch, it doesn't work at all? 19:27 slef drojf++ 19:27 slef magnuse: would you have changed anything in http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-12-05-18.05.html ? 19:27 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn. 19:27 huginn druthb: Quote #100: "chris: well, one of them is overhauling the whole templating system jcamins: Koha's other swiss army chainsaw" (added by wizzyrea at 07:41 PM, October 11, 2010) 19:27 druthb @quote random 19:26 drojf why is "Allow for html in letters in overdue notices" a critical bug? html in emails is a bug 19:26 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #4: "< kf> I often get asked: You have to study to be a librarian? perhaps MARC was invented to answer it ;)" (added by chris at 12:50 PM, June 12, 2009) 19:26 gmcharlt @quote random 19:26 magnuse gah, i forgot the meeting! 19:25 rangi My stop bbiab 19:24 slef fixed 19:23 rangi Cool 19:23 slef oooh 19:23 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/testy_testy.2012-12-05-19.22.log.html 19:23 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/testy_testy.2012-12-05-19.22.txt 19:23 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/testy_testy.2012-12-05-19.22.html 19:23 huginn Meeting ended Wed Dec 5 19:22:42 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 19:23 gmcharlt #endmeeting 19:23 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'testy_testy' 19:23 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 19:23 huginn Meeting started Wed Dec 5 19:22:38 2012 UTC. The chair is gmcharlt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:23 gmcharlt #startmeeting testy-testy 19:23 rangi Ahh hehe 19:23 slef amusingly, identica made the shortlink for where I was commenting http://ur1.ca/bum80 19:22 slef rangi: we had a budget today, so it's the day for such hattery. 19:22 rangi I suspect so 19:21 slef rangi: I'm a bit worried about this tv programme http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01p7q2l.mp (War on Britain's Roads) is going to be full of what you call asshats. 19:21 jcamins lol 19:21 gaetan_B bye 19:20 drojf the last time i wanted to try how to make packages from git the sd card in the raspberry pi died, i never tried again 19:20 drojf then maybe i never did :) 19:19 jcamins drojf: I'd just roll a package. 19:19 drojf i think i asked that before, but how would i test a package bug like bug 9052? if i ever did, it did not involve actually rolling the package. 19:18 slef and generally putting in the right place for that 19:18 * thd is not allergic to drool :) 19:18 slef gmcharlt: config needs http://meetings.koha-community.org/ again :-/ 19:18 * oleonard concedes that puppies indeed drool 19:18 druthb Cats rule; dogs drool. 19:17 slef oh well 19:17 slef #agreed Kittens rule 19:17 huginn Log: koha/2012/koha.2012-12-05-19.15.log.html 19:17 huginn Minutes (text): koha/2012/koha.2012-12-05-19.15.txt 19:17 huginn Minutes: koha/2012/koha.2012-12-05-19.15.html 19:17 huginn Meeting ended Wed Dec 5 19:16:43 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 19:17 gmcharlt #endmeeting 19:17 huginn Kittens (5): gmcharlt, jcamins, drojf, slef, druthb 19:17 huginn Puppies (2): oleonard, rangi 19:17 huginn Voted on "Who rules?" Results are 19:17 slef oleonard: splitter! 19:17 gmcharlt #endvote 19:17 gmcharlt now that I have the result I want... :) 19:17 oleonard Had to have an opposition didn't we? 19:17 huginn Kittens (5): gmcharlt, jcamins, drojf, slef, druthb 19:17 huginn Puppies (1): oleonard 19:17 rangi #vote puppies 19:17 slef #showvote 19:17 drojf #vote Kittens 19:17 oleonard #vote Puppies 19:17 jcamins #vote Kittens 19:16 druthb #vote Kittens 19:16 gmcharlt #vote Kittens 19:16 slef #vote Kittens 19:16 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 19:16 huginn Begin voting on: Who rules? Valid vote options are Kittens, Puppies. 19:16 gmcharlt #startvote Who rules? Kittens, Puppies 19:16 slef I forgot huginn didn't 19:16 slef oh yeah, it titles meetings 19:16 gmcharlt #topic answer a pressing question 19:16 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'test_vote' 19:16 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 19:16 huginn Meeting started Wed Dec 5 19:15:12 2012 UTC. The chair is gmcharlt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:16 gmcharlt #startmeeting test vote 19:16 huginn gmcharlt: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' 19:16 wahanui if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me 19:16 gmcharlt #startmeeting 19:15 slef next 45 minutes 19:15 slef drojf: if I do, it'll be in the next hour 19:15 thd gmcharlt: COPYING.TXT still needs an update, http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=SIPServer.git;a=blob;f=COPYING.TXT;h=85ca47760f4c4c8ef5b0a4f0d936211ddec0020c;hb=HEAD 19:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9052 blocker, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , YUI assets installed in the wrong place by packages 19:14 drojf slef: will you be taking care of bug 9052? 19:13 slef gmcharlt: lost access to the unload and load commands? 19:13 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Attaching Files to Patron Records in Koha 3.10 http://t.co/CWeP2wEu #kohails" 19:12 slef drojf: the meeting's over. That happens. ;-) 19:12 drojf that was easy all of a sudden 19:11 jcamins http://libmail.georgialibraries.org/pipermail/open-ils-general/2011-April/004660.html 19:11 jcamins http://libmail.georgialibraries.org/pipermail/open-ils-general/2011-April/004661.html 19:11 jcamins http://libmail.georgialibraries.org/pipermail/open-ils-general/2011-April/004662.html 19:11 gmcharlt git://git.evergreen-ils.org/SIPServer 19:10 gmcharlt the CVS repo is a dead issue 19:10 thd I had periodically been checking the CVS repository to check for changes and seeing none I assumed none. 19:10 jcamins gmcharlt: it's already been given. 19:10 gmcharlt Joe and Dan do, but I can readily get consent from them 19:09 gmcharlt David Fiander does not 19:09 thd gmcharlt: Do either Joe Atzberger, David Fiander, or Dan Scott hold any independent copyright interest from GPLS in openncip? 19:08 slef thd: I missed it too. np 19:08 thd slef gmcharlt: I had misread the message becouse of the reference to other copyright holders. 19:08 slef ;-) 19:08 rangi Well that's that solved :) 19:08 slef (sound of a man laughing his head off) 19:07 slef thd: hehehe *bonk* 19:07 thd slef: exactly 19:07 slef thd: is GPLS the only copyright holder? 19:07 thd gmcharlt: Sorry that I had overlooked the portion of the quoted message from Elizabeth McKinney where she asserts the change for GPLS. 19:06 slef anyone would think I did democracy as part of my day job ;) 19:06 druthb :) 19:06 slef gmcharlt: which is documented at http://ci.openstack.org/meetbot.html 19:06 gmcharlt slef: ok 19:06 slef gmcharlt: ok, so I think we want https://github.com/openstack-ci/meetbot 19:06 cait +1 from me too 19:05 cait druthb meeting-chairsnack bowl of cookies 19:05 gmcharlt +1 19:05 rangi Public vote + tally sounds good to me 19:05 drojf i suppose who doesn't care does not bother to actually vote 19:05 slef jcamins: I don't know. I'm not saying whether I agree with it. I did code it because someone else was concerned. 19:05 drojf slef: if people don't want to make up their own minds, i dont care 19:05 jcamins slef: is that a concern? 19:04 slef rangi: stops you being influenced by the other votes ;) 19:04 rambutan is it not possible to both show votes publicly and have a tally? 19:04 drojf anyway, i don't need it. isn't that just some toy that may break? 19:04 rangi What's the advantage? 19:04 druthb cait: meeting-chairsnack? 19:04 drojf ah ok. people would probably notice :) 19:04 slef drojf: so if it stole your vote, you can object then ;) 19:03 slef drojf: it would publish who voted how at the close of the vote 19:03 drojf how do i know it does not make up the votes if its secret? 19:03 cait better not have an option 19:03 cait I like the open votes 19:03 huginn druthb: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 19:03 druthb huginn: botsnack cookie 19:03 rangi Yep 19:03 drojf i dont trust voting computers and bots 19:03 slef rangi: is that to me? 19:03 rangi For irc meetings 19:03 drojf i never disagreed with that 19:03 rangi We never have before 19:03 rambutan druthb++ 19:03 druthb Thanks, folks. 19:03 cait just agree with me that timezones are confusing... and oyu are back on the cookie list 19:02 cait heh 19:02 drojf cait: unfair. punishment by no-cookies should be ruled out by some law i am going to make up 19:02 slef if that makes sense... too many hyphens... bad adjective 19:02 druthb It's possible, but I'd think it very rare. 19:02 davidnind druthb++ 19:02 slef Would we want secret-at-time-of-voting-but-published-at-end votes? 19:02 talljoy druthb++ 19:01 drojf druthb++ 19:01 cait druthb++ :) 19:01 oleonard druthb++ # Well-chaired! 19:01 cait be prepared to live without coookies for a long time then 19:01 slef I've asked gmcharlt and he's willing to change the module over. 19:01 gmcharlt slef: yes 19:01 druthb slef: Yes, that'd be awesome! 19:01 drojf no i'm not. i just want to hear "you are right" 19:01 * druthb unpins her hair from the bun, and puts away her glasses and pointy stick. 19:01 cait no cookies for drojf! 19:01 slef would people like meetbot to count votes? 19:01 cait you are so mean 19:00 drojf no chair for you 19:00 drojf cait: ignore me and be late :P 19:00 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-12-05-18.05.log.html 19:00 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-12-05-18.05.txt 19:00 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-12-05-18.05.html 19:00 huginn Meeting ended Wed Dec 5 18:59:41 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 19:00 druthb #endmeeting 19:00 druthb Thank you all for your participation. 19:00 * cait ignores drojf 19:00 druthb January 9, 2013, at 10:00 UTC, it is. 19:00 drojf and it's 11 for cait :P 19:00 jcamins +1 19:00 * slef checks his calendar ;) 19:00 drojf i think it is 19:00 rangi Yep 19:00 slef if it's the usual pattern 18:59 rangi Wfm 18:59 slef 9th at 10 UTC? 18:59 oleonard January 9? 18:59 cait ok :) 18:59 rangi Cait: discuss on bug :) 18:59 druthb #topic next meeting time? 18:59 druthb Awesomeness. Okay, we're at the end of the agenda for this meeting, other than fixing the time for our next. 18:59 cait it mails without any configuration for patron categories? 18:58 rangi Easy peasy 18:58 rangi So bug would fail :-) 18:58 jcamins And that's all I had. 18:58 jcamins It's just pointlessly disabling features which is pointless. 18:58 slef !!:s/thing/think 18:58 jcamins Disabled features are not a bad thing. 18:58 jcamins Or we leave it disabled. Which is fine. 18:58 rangi Yep 18:58 slef rangi: I thing that behaviour would need changing then. 18:58 rangi (to slef) 18:58 druthb rangi++ #these are minor annoyances when setting up a box, nothing more. A bug and patch to fix them should do. 18:58 jcamins slef: so that would be one that shouldn't be enabled by default. 18:57 jcamins So I wanted people to think about things that shouldn't be disabled, and file bugs (and provide patches) about them. 18:57 rangi Yes 18:57 slef does enhancedmessaging still email you every day if it's enabled and not configured correctly? 18:57 rangi Yep and open bugs to change then? 18:57 gmcharlt good thought -- for example, I'd been in favor of enabling both mentioned by default 18:57 jcamins *configuration 18:57 jcamins However, even if you enable it, it doesn't do anything without further consideration. 18:57 slef #action people start thinking about if we have disabled any features by default that shouldn't be 18:57 rangi Case by case basis 18:57 cait enhancedmessaging 18:57 cait aah 18:57 jcamins For example, ExtendedPatronAttributes is disabled by default. 18:56 jcamins I wanted to suggest that people start thinking about if we have disabled any features by default that shouldn't be. 18:56 cait sorry, what does it mean? 18:56 druthb jcamins++ 18:56 drojf :P 18:56 drojf -1 18:56 oleonard I vote yes! 18:56 jcamins (nice, huh?) 18:56 druthb jcamins has the floor. 18:56 jcamins This does not require a vote, nor discussion. 18:56 jcamins That's mine. 18:56 druthb #topic Miscellaneous --disabled features review 18:55 druthb All right, moving along. 18:55 druthb #info davidnind, rangi, oleonard volunteered as well. Kudos to all of 'em. 18:55 cait rangi++ gmcharlt++ and davidnind++ 18:55 druthb rangi++ davidnind++ 18:55 slef thd: "moderate registration" 18:55 rangi No just users thd 18:55 davidnind I volunteer to help as well 18:55 * gmcharlt volunteers 18:55 thd s/by/be/ 18:55 rangi I volunteer 18:55 druthb oleonard++ 18:55 cait oleonard++ 18:54 druthb beats nothing. 18:54 cait druthb: now we only got 'europe' covered 18:54 thd rangi: By moderation do you mean that all updates would by pending approval? 18:54 rangi It's been 2 years already 18:54 oleonard I volunteer as well 18:54 rangi About automation 18:54 druthb #agreed the wiki will be set to moderate registration--and cait and slef have volunteered to help with that. Other vols are welcome. 18:54 rangi You guys can then argue for months after that 18:54 slef far too many mediawiki "antispam" extensions I've seen have little to do with testing spamminess and :-/ 18:54 * jcamins moves that if there are antispam extensions we could use, they should be considered for later, and in the meantime we should take advantage of the people willing to do moderation. 18:54 rangi Can we just do the moderation 18:53 talljoy o.o 18:53 rangi Look 18:53 cait well your solution really, I only wondered about the spam :) 18:53 slef thd: got links? 18:53 thd There are antispam extensions. 18:53 slef oh, could we add something like "please put a message for the moderators here saying what you'll do" and a message to the thank-you saying to ask on-list if moderators are very very slow ;-) 18:53 gmcharlt thd: what mediawiki provides has thus far been insufficient without imposing draconian captchas 18:53 cait gmcharlt: as it was my idea... sign me up 18:52 gmcharlt cait: yeah, that's one of the ways 18:52 thd Do we not have automation to better assist with the problem? 18:52 cait rangi: I think we are not voting, we just silently agreed :P 18:52 rangi :) 18:52 rangi Or clean it urself 18:52 rangi And of quit doing that so vote yes 18:52 druthb ...anyone think they have a *better* idea? 18:52 cait how do you see if it's a real person? form the chosen user name? 18:51 druthb gmcharlt has made a proposal--does anyone *not* like that idea? 18:51 rangi In the last month 18:51 gmcharlt slef: indeed - *multiple* volunteers, I should point out :) 18:51 cait would be nice to get people from different timezones 18:51 rangi Having deleted 116 pages 18:51 slef gmcharlt: me, as long as we can do it without mailbombing me :) 18:51 rangi Me too 18:51 * oleonard hopes to start writing tests for JavaScript if he can integrate what he learned over the last couple of days 18:51 cait and I support gmcharlt's proposal for that reason :) 18:50 cait that could be much better used 18:50 * gmcharlt jumps in with a proposal -- a call for volunteers to manually approve wiki user registrations 18:50 cait and people spend a lot of time cleaning up 18:50 cait that was me - I noticed we still got a big spam problem 18:50 cait I think any test is good, whatever you use for writing them 18:50 druthb #topic Miscellaneous -- Wiki spam 18:50 druthb all righty then. 18:49 jcamins druthb: doesn't seem to be doable, so we'll survive without. 18:49 libsysguy also, I would like to welcome anyone else to write them as well 18:49 druthb "Find out if we can set Bugzilla permissions so that only the QA team can mark things "Passed QA"" ? 18:49 druthb Awesome. 18:49 libsysguy but will publish those as they are written 18:49 rhcl +1 18:49 * druthb snorts. 18:49 * libsysguy has changed his mind and is instead pursuing Selenium tests 18:48 druthb "libsysguy to publish repo of his mechanized testing suite" ? 18:48 druthb #topic Actions from general IRC meeting last month 18:47 slef -1 18:47 jcamins slef: yes, because we are upgrading the distribution license. 18:47 druthb #agreed GPLv3+, as of 3.12.0, with two exceptions, and pending the openncip issue. 18:47 slef ed - basically, is the upgrade even necessary? ;-) 18:46 slef my question in http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2012-November/038484.html remains unanswer 18:46 cait yes 18:46 thd Am I reconnected? 18:46 slef oh drat 18:46 druthb Any nays? 18:46 gmcharlt +1 18:45 cait i think if we advertise this, anyone intersted can show up next meeting 18:45 druthb Community wide meeting, published agenda. If they care, they should be here. 18:45 slef hehehe 18:45 talljoy +1 18:45 edveal +1 18:45 bag +1 18:45 talljoy isn't this that? 18:45 khall +1 18:45 thd +1 However, should there not be a community wide vote? 18:45 davidnind +1 18:44 * slef thinks about this a moment 18:44 druthb +1 18:44 drojf +1 18:44 jcamins +1 18:44 oleonard Doing so does not prevent us from arguing over AGPL3+ later 18:44 slef so maybe the openncip thing can wait and block a later upgrade. 18:44 libsysguy +1 18:44 rangi +1 18:44 jcamins Per the proposal that has been mooted. 18:44 druthb Okay, I'm gonna bring this around, right now--it's beyond past time. Let's vote. It's been moved that we move to GPL 3+, with two amenedments in the agenda, plus the one that this is dependent on resolution of the openncip issue. 18:44 talljoy +1 18:44 oleonard +1 18:44 cait +1 18:44 jcamins Let's focus on one step at a time, and just upgrade to GPLv3+? 18:44 libsysguy of course 18:44 slef thd: that's not the published proposal this time. 18:44 thd oleonard: I am 18:43 cait so we can make this a simpler process 18:43 oleonard Yeah I don't think anyone is lobbying for AGPL3+ this time around 18:43 slef (thd? report openncip to bugs.koha-community.org?) 18:43 cait and are not discussing different licenses 18:43 slef ok, can someone report openncip to bugs.koha-community.org please? 18:43 cait as I see it 18:43 cait we just want to switch from 2 to 3 18:43 huginn slef: No results for "openncip." 18:43 cait i think what we are talking now is different than before too 18:43 slef huginn: query openncip 18:43 druthb Holy shmoley--that's forever and a week ago. 18:42 * slef arrives at the same point at oleonard 18:42 thd oleonard ++ 18:42 slef #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_copyright_license 18:42 thd cait: It could not be put forward because the issue was moot in consequence of openncip. 18:42 oleonard http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_copyright_license? 18:41 cait thd: and it didn't work 18:41 druthb link? 18:41 cait slef++ 18:41 thd cait: We had a procedure for upgrading the license which is documented in the wiki. 18:41 oleonard slef++ 18:41 druthb Suits me. Objection? 18:41 libsysguy slef++ 18:41 talljoy slef++ 18:41 gmcharlt agreed 18:41 druthb slef++ 18:41 jcamins slef++ 18:41 slef I'd rather vote now, with an amendment making it conditional on resolving OpenNCIP one way or the other. 18:40 cait without setting deadlines 18:40 thd I will take my question about whether the openncip license has actually changed to the mailing list so we can discuss what to do if it has in fact changed properly. 18:40 cait i fear we will bump this.. forever. 18:40 cait no, but given it is resolved by then, could we have a vote? 18:40 oleonard Are there actual objections to the upgrade in principle or just concerns over the details? 18:40 gmcharlt cait: perhaps a straw vote? 18:40 slef thd: true, so are you proposing an amendment that we'll change once the OpenNCIP project actually changes their published licence or we stop using OpenNCIP? 18:40 druthb concur. We'll bump this *again*. 18:40 cait can we still announce a vote on this next meeting? 18:40 jcamins Okay, so what I'm hearing is that we're not making any progress. Mailing list, please? 18:39 thd slef: Yes, but that would need to actually be from the party holding copyright and not merely another interested party. 18:38 thd There is no file reflecting a change in the license invocation posted to the code repository. 18:38 slef thd: a later statement from the licensor would take priority, no? 18:38 slef #link http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Upgrading-Koha-s-license-td5732930.html 18:38 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries 18:38 thd http://openncip.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/openncip/src/ 18:37 thd The actual concern I have is that the license of OpenNCIP has not changed. 18:37 druthb slef++ 18:37 slef #link http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2012-November/038454.html 18:37 slef ah found it! 18:37 slef I'm not finding this on koha-devel in Sep or Oct, now trying Nov 18:37 jcamins Otherwise, we are just spending a half an hour every month doing nothing. 18:36 jcamins thd: if you have actual concerns, I encourage you to bring them to the mailing list and *resolve* them. 18:36 * druthb pokes libsysguy with the pointy stick. 18:36 cait hm could we already start working on things like bootstrap in the repo before release? 18:35 wahanui i heard tomorrow was pizza friday! or the day after today. 18:35 libsysguy tomorrow 18:35 jcamins Yes. 18:35 slef when would we be aiming to relicense by? 3.12.0? 18:35 druthb heck, I thought that's what we were gonna do *this* time, cait. 18:35 thd cait: We had an entire meeting on a license upgrade voting procedure. 18:35 cait could we agree to have a vote on this next meeting? 18:34 gmcharlt thd: I disagree -- but I suggest we take this on to the mailing list 18:34 slef anyone remember the last threads, for the record? 18:34 jcamins Yes. 18:34 cait so we need to decide how to decide it - for real this time 18:34 cait I think the currenct license is an issue for using bootstrap and maybe other things 18:34 thd gmcharlt: That message did not indicate to me that the issue had been resolved. 18:33 druthb Any other loose ends or new issues/concerns that haven't been flogged already? 18:32 slef vfernandes: bye! 18:32 vfernandes I have to go, bye :) 18:32 gmcharlt and that's indeed the link 18:32 jcamins #link http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2011-April/035334.html 18:32 gmcharlt jcamins: yes, it's been resolved 18:32 jcamins thd: http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2011-April/035334.html 18:32 druthb certainly. 18:32 slef druthb: can we allow tying up loose ends? 18:31 jcamins thd: six months ago? 18:31 druthb Okay, this has been *beaten to death* over the last couple of years on the mailing list. If you have something *new*, bring it. If you don't, keep your peace, please. 18:31 jcamins gmcharlt: do you have it handy? 18:31 thd When was that resolved? 18:31 jcamins OpenNCIP is licensed GPLv2+. 18:31 slef jcamins: got link? 18:31 jcamins thd: but that has been resolved. 18:31 thd Unfortunately, we cannot meaningfully pursue upgarding the license without resolving the issue over the OpenNCIP GPL 2 license invocation omission of an upgrade clause. 18:31 jcamins vfernandes: yes, we remain on schedule for May 22, 2013. 18:31 slef ah this is why cait was hiding :) 18:31 drojf lol 18:31 thd Sorry that I had missed the recent mailing list discussion of the license upgrade issue admist all the systems needing repair after last month's storm. 18:31 vfernandes is there any schedule for koha 3.12 release? 18:31 libsysguy heh 18:30 druthb So much for an easy meeting. 18:30 druthb #topic Vote on license change. 18:30 slef nope 18:30 druthb I love easy meetings. 18:30 druthb Okie dokie. Questions from the floor? 18:30 nancyk Not yet. 18:29 druthb All right. Anything else you'd like to mention, ask for, or rant about, nancyk? 18:29 nancyk looks like mid october 18:28 cait is the date set now? 18:28 druthb Still working October, yes? But dates remain un-firm at this point? 18:28 vfernandes when KohaCon2013 will be? sorry for don't know :/ 18:28 nancyk not much to tell yet 18:28 nancyk #info We are in the last stage of hotel negotiations. After that, I will be getting volunteers together to plan. 18:27 druthb nancyk, you're up. 18:27 druthb #topic KohaCon2013 18:27 libsysguy jcamins the gate keeper 18:27 jcamins if you don't fail it, I will. 18:27 cait I don't like being mean too - it's not nice to fail patches, but if you provide good reason it should be ok :) 18:27 vfernandes fixing bugs is more important, but new features are always welcome :P 18:26 druthb All right. Anything else on 3.12? 18:26 jcamins slef: this might put your mind at ease: 18:26 cait ok, I think that's it from me :) 18:26 slef my usual worry is I don't like being mean and I'm afraid I will be, finding bugs in fixes :-/ 18:26 jcamins cait++ 18:26 cait and fixing bugs is always more important than new features ;) 18:25 cait also my usual reminder to everyone: please remember that signing off is as important as providing patches 18:25 cait we will try to stick to that, with being less strict for patches wiating for longer than 1 month 18:24 cait there is also a new 'rule' that qa and patch should be done by different parties, extending our existing set of rules a bit 18:24 * jcamins might be one of those people. 18:24 slef jcamins: maybe README.developer is a better name? 18:24 cait unit tests for new routines are mandatory now - if you are not sure how to do it, I think there will be people to help you with it 18:24 druthb Great. cait? 18:23 jcamins And that's all from me. 18:23 jcamins And I plan to roll tarballs of monthly previews, and talk to eythian about updating the packages at the same time so that if a non-developer wants to see what they can look forward to, they can do so easily. 18:23 cait maybe I can add a few things? 18:23 druthb Awesomeness. Anything else, jcamins? 18:23 vfernandes in my next patches I will set the commit messages correctly... jcamins++ 18:22 druthb jcamins++ 18:22 gmcharlt newsletters++ 18:22 cait jcamins++ 18:22 drojf yeah! 18:22 jcamins I do intend to continue Paul's monthly RM newsletters. 18:22 jcamins #info jcamins intends to continue updating and fleshing out the coding guidelines, so it is easier for new (and experienced) developers to figure out what to do. 18:21 slef hmm, I thought it was in http://www.gnu.org/prep/maintain/html_node/index.html but it's not 18:21 vfernandes that will help me in future a lot 18:21 jcamins However, if decrypting the commit message or divining the intent of the patch looks to be a time-consuming project, I will fail a patch for lack of commit message. 18:20 vfernandes nice :) 18:20 cait it also helps the QA team a lot - documentation++ 18:20 jcamins If I am able to understand what's going on with a patch, I will not ask for it to be revised. 18:20 vfernandes ohh because I never know what to write when submitting a patch :) 18:19 jcamins Last week. 18:19 jcamins vfernandes: the commit message page? 18:19 slef we should. It's one of the GNU files, alongside README, INSTALL, Changelog 18:19 vfernandes jcamins when you wrote this page? 18:19 cait slef: I tend to agree with jcamins, first time ever I heard about htat 18:19 jcamins #todo Add a HACKING file to the Koha repo. 18:19 jcamins I don't think we have a HACKING file. 18:19 cait HACKING file? 18:18 jcamins #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines 18:18 slef jcamins: can that link be in the HACKING file in the repository, please? 18:18 jcamins #info We have also updated the general coding guidelines somewhat. 18:18 jcamins #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commit_messages 18:18 jcamins (looking now) 18:18 jcamins #info I have written up guidelines on commit messages. 18:18 * cait agrees 18:17 jcamins #info At this point there is no backlog of patches that have Passed QA, but there is a backlog of patches awaiting QA and awaiting sign off. 18:17 cait good plan 18:17 jcamins #info We are about two weeks into the release cycle of 3.12. 18:16 jcamins We'll get mtj to do it. 18:16 * druthb cues up "Hail to the Chief" 18:16 druthb #topic 3.12 18:16 druthb Grooooovy. Moving right along: 18:16 slef I may be in a place to review that in a few minutes. Is there a QA who can follow me? 18:15 druthb Anything else about 3.10 out there to fret over? 18:15 huginn 04Bug 9052: blocker, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , YUI assets installed in the wrong place by packages 18:15 slef #link http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9052 18:15 druthb jcamins++ 18:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9052 blocker, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , YUI assets installed in the wrong place by packages 18:15 jcamins #info Bug 9052 should be signed off and QAed ASAP since it breaks the 3.10 packages. 18:15 drojf slef: wrong path of some files makes OPAC broken 18:14 slef bug number please? 18:14 drojf jcamins: ah i see 18:14 slef I missed this 18:14 jcamins drojf: yes, if the patch is signed off and QAed, which I believe we are still waiting on. 18:14 slef drojf: broken? :) 18:14 slef drojf: after the - is packaging version 18:14 slef drojf: it would be 3.10.0-2 18:14 drojf what's with the broken package installation? is there going to be a 3.10.0-1? (or -2 or how it is numbered?) 18:13 jcamins #info Koha 3.10.0 was released on November 23/24. 3.10.1 will be released on December 22. 18:13 wahanui somebody said RM was busy :) or paul_p 18:13 cait RM? 18:13 druthb 3.10, anyone? 18:12 druthb #topic 3.10 update 18:12 * slef is doing 3 things at once :-/ 18:12 * druthb is a fast typist. 18:12 druthb :P 18:12 slef druthb: just beat me to it! 18:12 druthb #info jcamins reports that as far as he knows there will be a string freeze on the fifteenth and 3.8.8 will be released on the twenty-second. 18:11 druthb eat your dinner, cait; I've already got my pointy stick out to poke things along with. 18:11 slef It'd be nice if a short update could be put in the agenda just in case they're not here. 18:11 talljoy lol 18:11 libsysguy if the world still stands :p 18:11 cait I can take over - or eat my dinner while druthb chairs :) 18:11 jcamins Chris is not here, but so far as I know there will be a string freeze on the fifteenth and 3.8.8 will be released on the twenty-second. 18:11 druthb News on 3.8? Probably the wrong time of day for those folks. 18:10 drojf its cet, not cest anymore :P 18:10 druthb #topic 3.8 update 18:10 cait sorry, I thought the meeting started at 8! 18:10 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ 18:10 drojf for a second i thought i had seen cait 18:09 JDatTeTakere #info jdattetakere 18:09 khall #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater, Meadville, PA 18:09 druthb Anyone else have short announcements of general interest to the Koha community? 18:09 huginn libsysguy: Karma for "tcohen" has been increased 51 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 51. 18:09 cait tcohen++ druthb++ :) 18:09 libsysguy @karma tcohen 18:09 jcamins tcohen++ 18:09 talljoy tcohen++ 18:09 druthb #info There will be a newer, faster Pootle server in the next couple of days. Kudos and hugs to tcohen for help with that. 18:08 druthb #topic announcements not otherwise on the agenda, which is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_5_December_2012 18:08 gmcharlt #info Galen CHarlton, Equinox Software 18:08 * druthb wields her pointy stick and evil librarian glasses, putting her hair into a bun. 18:08 bag noice 18:08 rhcl #info RHCL = Rolling Hills Consolidated Library - Greg 18:07 nancyk #info Nancy Keener Reno 18:07 * slef asks bag to pass a beer 18:07 bag #info Brendan Gallagher ByWater Solutions having THE FUN 18:07 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 18:07 slef #info MJ Ray, software.coop member, Norfolk, England, past RMaint 18:07 drojf #info Mirko Tietgen, HU Berlin 18:07 davidnind #info David Nind, Wellington, NZ 18:07 jcamins #info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services, RM 3.12 18:07 talljoy #info Joy Nelson ByWater Solutions 18:07 druthb #info D Ruth Bavousett, ByWater, Lawrence, KS, TM 3.12 18:07 thd drojf: No< I merely have the unreasonable expectation of immunity from vaccines. 18:07 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 18:07 druthb #topic introductions 18:07 libsysguy #info Elliott Davis, ByWater Solutions: Houston Tx 18:07 druthb #info introductions 18:06 wahanui ^ is what I think too 18:06 talljoy ^ ? 18:06 wahanui if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me 18:06 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:06 huginn Meeting started Wed Dec 5 18:05:46 2012 UTC. The chair is druthb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:06 druthb #startmeeting 18:06 libsysguy doo eet 18:06 huginn druthb: The operation succeeded. 18:06 druthb @later tell cait you owe me, babe. 18:06 talljoy yay druthb 18:06 druthb I will get her for this. I will. If there is no objection, I'll take it. 18:05 drojf slef: technically, yes, of course. a little flu 18:05 slef drojf: the vaccination is the flu, isn't it? 18:05 jcamins druthb++ # since cait is a more effective hider 18:05 drojf thd: did you get the flu right after vaccination? that seems to be more common than people think 18:04 * thd is suffering from the flu and wants a refund on the influenza vaccine. 18:04 talljoy oooooo 18:04 druthb she's here. I could do it, I s'pose. 18:04 libsysguy she can run the meeting with her poking stick 18:04 libsysguy nominates druthb 18:04 slef you can run, but you can't hide from the server 18:04 slef hmm 18:04 slef *** cait has been idle for 00:00.27 18:03 drojf cait: you know you want to 18:03 drojf blind bot 18:03 * slef enquires about druthb chairing...? 18:03 drojf hey huginn, cait is in the channel?! 18:01 huginn slef: cait was last seen in #koha 10 hours, 13 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <cait> bbl 18:01 slef @seen cait 18:00 druthb cait++ 18:00 jcamins cait++ 18:00 * druthb nominates cait. 18:00 jcamins I am _not_ chairing it. 18:00 libsysguy not it 18:00 jcamins That's right, me. 17:59 libsysguy yup 17:59 jcamins Guess who is not chairing it? 17:59 jcamins Ooh, it's time for a meeting. 17:59 jcamins Yes, though your code for modifying the field should be pretty simple. 17:57 gerundio would this be a good approach? 17:56 gerundio and inside the while replace the code after the GetMarcBiblio with something like the code for field update in the UNIMARC_sync_date_created_with_marc_biblio.pl script 17:56 jcamins Remember the chief virtue of the programmer: laziness! 17:55 jcamins gerundio: no, the only thing you need to change is add in some code to modify the record after GetMarcBiblio. 17:54 gerundio the only thing to change would be to remove the unecessary code before the DB query prepare line 17:53 gerundio jcamins, I've been studying the touch_all_biblios like you recommended 17:07 rambutan I want a Koha conference like this one for $414 USD: http://www.doubleradius.com/wirelesswithoutlimits/home.html 16:47 jcamins PERL5LIB was set wrong. 16:47 jcamins I see the problem. 16:47 jcamins Oooh. 16:40 jcamins That passes on my system. 16:39 jcamins Hm. 16:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7919 new feature, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Display of values depending on the connexion library (authorised values, patron categories, extended attributes) 16:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9130 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , Remove old javascript from Parcel 16:38 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 7919: Increment version number 16:38 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 7919: Followup: Fix plural and GetAuthvalueDropbox 16:38 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 7919 : Display of values depending on the connexion library 16:38 jenkins_koha * dcook: Bug 9130 follow up: add statesave cookie and "all" option for parcel drop-down menu 16:38 jenkins_koha * dcook: Bug 9130 - Remove old javascript from Parcel 16:38 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #967: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/967/ 16:26 libsysguy heh 16:25 huginn rambutan: I suck 16:25 rambutan @meeting 16:24 reiveune bye 16:06 jcamins Thanks. 16:04 clrh jcamins: ve started: http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2012-May/037298.html pro index configuration has a better ergonomy I think in community 16:00 clrh jcamins: ok 2 sec 15:59 jcamins I particularly want to see the BibLibre version. 15:58 clrh I think I have both somewhere 15:58 clrh ok community vesion ? 15:58 clrh jcamins: about solr ful in biblibre version ? 15:58 clrh jcamins: some months ago yep, I can search 15:58 jcamins (as opposed to just what is in Master) 15:57 jcamins clrh: does BibLibre have a demo of the complete Solr search? 15:51 jcamins But it's not ideal, and the marc/marcxml distinction is a lot more pernicious. 15:50 jcamins gerundio: yeah, you can address that by reindexing. 15:50 gerundio thanks for confirming :) 15:50 gerundio jcamins, implication in the indexes was what I was thinking could be one of the problems 15:48 jcamins Also, direct database manipulation will screw up your indexes. 15:48 vfernandes marcxml and marc will be automatically updated after using the ModBiblio 15:47 vfernandes is very easy to transform a record in a MARC::Record object and then modify fields/subfields 15:47 jcamins Koha uses the marc and marcxml fields in different places. 15:46 jcamins gerundio: good. 15:46 gerundio jcamins, I won't insist, I'm just trying to understand it :) 15:45 vfernandes gerundio you should develop a script to do that... 15:45 jcamins Seriously, I absolutely will not help you if you insist on modifying the database directly. 15:44 jcamins It's in biblioitems.marcxml and biblioitems.marc. 15:44 gerundio is that value stored elsewhere or just in that field on that particular table? 15:43 jcamins gerundio: chances are every single record would be corrupted. 15:42 gerundio well done vfernandes :) 15:42 vfernandes :) 15:42 vfernandes gerundio Charset.pm is now updated... 15:41 vfernandes sorry my bad... in authorities the method SetMarcUnicodeFlag isn't used... so the bugs aren't connect 15:41 gerundio jcamins, what would stop working if I went for that shot in the DB? 15:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9145 major, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Signed Off , Authorities: standard language for UNIMARC 15:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8347 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Needs Signoff , Koha forces UNIMARC 100 field code language to 'fre' 15:38 vfernandes Charset.pm changed on bug 8347... but it affects also bug 9145... what I should do? 15:31 jcamins kf: hehe. 15:31 kf jcamins: so when are you done with the rewrite? :P 15:30 clrh :) 15:30 * kf agrees with jcamins and drojf 15:30 clrh thx jcamins :) 15:29 drojf clrh: your english is fine btw :) 15:29 clrh ok drojf you're welcome 15:29 drojf clrh: thank you, i will have a look at it and return with more questions if needed :) 15:29 jenkins_koha Starting build #967 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 15:29 jcamins clrh: "forward," but other than that, it was all correct English. :) 15:29 clrh not sure to be clear 15:28 clrh I would like, before investing (again) more time, see the zebra refactoring work going foreward (franglish?) because what is important is that the switch (search engine layer) would be fully functionnal 15:28 jcamins gerundio: not if you want your system to still work when you're done. 15:27 clrh drojf: today, iif you install everything in 3.10 to work with koha: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SearchEngine_Layer_RFC you will have nice ui configuration for indexes, facets, mappings and a poc of simple opac search 15:27 gerundio wouldn't an update on the marcxml collumn of the biblioitems table be suffice? 15:27 jcamins I'd use the touch_all_biblios script as a model. 15:26 jcamins *yes 15:26 jcamins gerundio: that would be my recommendation, y es. 15:26 gerundio jcamins, yesterday you told me that the best way to correct all the occurences of the records on the DB was using a script 15:25 drojf clrh: i found http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Record_Indexing_and_Retrieval_Options_for_Koha#Solr.2FLucene_Record_Indexing_Server_Aspect_of_Configuration are these files in 3.10? (i mean solr/indexes.pl and solr/mappings.pl)? and is there a list of prerequisites to install? i have to admit i haven't read all things on the wiki closely yet 15:25 vfernandes my ($subflength,$encodingposition)=($marc_flavour=~/AUTH/?(21,9):(36,22)); this line is killing me :P 15:23 vfernandes I will change Charset.pm to use the default language 15:23 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7919: Increment version number <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=90378453d36291968914107c8b49458a9e6be2c8> / Bug 7919: Followup: Fix plural and GetAuthvalueDropbox <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=014f8183030ad2242e8e7da26fb37f6fab0b157b> / Bug 7919 : Display of values depending on the connexion library <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=com 15:23 gerundio I'm setting up a new testing environment soon 15:23 gerundio still haven't been able to test it 15:23 vfernandes gerundio you problem happens with my patch? 15:22 jcamins gerundio: it's UNIMARC... I don't understand it at all anyway. 15:22 vfernandes if there is a field 100, when editing shouldn't do nothing (uses the language already set in the field) 15:22 clrh drojf: did you found answers about koha & solr question ? 15:22 gerundio I'm just looking at this from the programmer point of view, I don't have enough librarian knowledge to understand the context of these operations :p 15:21 vfernandes if there is no 100, a new 100 field will be added to the record with the language set in the system preference 15:21 jcamins So if you import a record without a 100 field, the 100 field will be populated with whatever you have set in the syspref. 15:21 jcamins Yes, because the default value applies only when you are editing a record. 15:20 vfernandes wait... 15:20 gerundio it gets replaced the same way, right? 15:20 gerundio so what happens if 100 is empty but we have a default value set? 15:20 vfernandes only if 100 is not filled 15:19 vfernandes yes 15:19 gerundio am I thinking this right? 15:19 gerundio with your code it seems like the country code value will be replaced with whatever value we insert in the system preference 15:18 gerundio which is understandable given the current source code 15:18 vfernandes using my code? 15:18 gerundio which means that por is being replaced with the fre value 15:18 gerundio but the records are being populated with " d k||y0frey50 ba" 15:18 gerundio my default value is " d k||y0pory50 ba" 15:18 gerundio not sure about that 15:17 vfernandes *default value 15:17 vfernandes ok... if you set a default value for field 100 the default code will be used 15:17 gerundio I don't know if my question is clear enough 15:17 gerundio but what should be the expected behavior if we set a default value in that subfield on the MARC framework editor? 15:16 jcamins I'm not certain, though. 15:16 jcamins vfernandes: I think every time a record is edited. 15:16 jcamins gerundio: if it makes you feel any better, I don't understand either. It's UNIMARC. :P 15:16 vfernandes yes... 15:16 gerundio you've added a new preference for the country code for UNIMARC in order to fix the hardcoded "fre" references 15:16 vfernandes jcamins SetMarcUnicodeFlag is used where? 15:15 gerundio there's still something I don't understand 15:15 gerundio vfernandes, I went through alls the comments on both bugs 15:15 jcamins There are no bugs set to Passed QA. 15:14 jcamins Woohoo! 15:14 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #13: "<atz> ricardo: ask and ye shall receive.... eventually, ye shall stop asking." (added by gmcharlt at 08:31 PM, July 09, 2009) 15:14 gmcharlt @quote random 15:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8347 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Needs Signoff , Koha forces UNIMARC 100 field code language to 'fre' 15:12 vfernandes i will change it in the bug 8347 15:11 vfernandes the method SetMarcUnicodeFlag 15:11 vfernandes the lib/C4/Charset is used when? 15:10 hdl see you 15:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9145 major, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Signed Off , Authorities: standard language for UNIMARC 15:09 vfernandes C4/AuthoritiesMarc.pm - bug 9145 15:09 gerundio should those be handled in the patch too? 15:08 gerundio but I found more in lib/C4/AuthoritiesMarc.pm and lib/C4/Charset.pm 15:08 gerundio I noticed that you addressed the occurences of 'frey50' in lib/C4/Biblio.pm 15:07 vfernandes that seems a nice improvement jcamins 15:06 jcamins At least, so far as I can tell from an hour of testing. 15:06 gerundio the one we discussed yesterday 15:06 gerundio vfernandes, this is the bug to which you submitted a patch 15:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8347 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Needs Signoff , Koha forces UNIMARC 100 field code language to 'fre' 15:06 gerundio bug 8347 15:05 jcamins It doesn't change anything by default. 15:05 kf so no regression for libraries, most important bit :) 15:05 kf ok 15:05 jcamins Yes. 15:05 kf jcamins: you can still have categories for all libraries right? 15:05 jcamins I can think of some improvements, but I think the changes the proposed changes are reasonable, and work well. 15:05 kf and make them only see their categories I think 15:04 vfernandes the idea is to have different categories, etc for different libraries? 15:02 kf I love the idea too, even better when it works like described 15:02 kf :) 15:00 jcamins I love the feature, and I can't seem to break it. 15:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7919 new feature, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Display of values depending on the connexion library (authorised values, patron categories, extended attributes) 15:00 jcamins Okay, I think I'm going to push bug 7919. 14:58 jcamins :) 14:57 * kf loves it too, because it tends to get reality :) 14:57 * hdl loves jcamins daydreaming. 14:55 jcamins Fixing this is one of the goals of the search rewrite. 14:55 gerundio modifying that doesn't sound good :D 14:55 jcamins Yes. 14:55 gerundio so it's normal to get those kind of results? 14:55 jcamins You could modify C4::Search::_build_weighted_query, but I can't recommend it. 14:54 jcamins I did. 14:54 gerundio I don't know if you had the chance to read what I was talking with kf earlier 14:54 jcamins gerundio: not easily. 14:54 gerundio jcamins, is it possible to define relevance weights for the different MARC fields for the search? 14:50 jcamins hdl: yeah, it turns out that didn't work quite as I thought. 14:49 hdl to sql 14:49 hdl But it is showing more than 2 connections 14:49 hdl jcamins, we have done that too. 14:46 kf I like helping you test thorougly :) 14:46 kf you are very welcome :) 14:46 jcamins Got it, thanks. :) 14:46 kf I am sorry, my first reaction was not quite correct 14:46 jcamins Ah-ha! 14:46 kf and select asort1 there as to be used for the first or second statistic value 14:46 kf that you want to use 14:45 kf go to the fund 14:45 kf ah right 14:45 kf hm or let me think 14:45 kf jcamins: not at all 14:44 jcamins How do I get the Asort1 values to be used in neworderempty? 14:40 jcamins No, it doesn't work quite right. 14:39 jcamins Hm. 14:39 jcamins Well- I have two active database connections. 14:38 jcamins It seems to. 14:37 * jcamins will find out. 14:37 jcamins hdl: I thought that loading C4::Context in the psgi file would do it. 14:35 hdl rather than creating a mysql connection for every session, it could be used to federeate mysql connections. 14:34 hdl And preload C4::Context, 14:34 hdl and it works. 14:34 hdl jcamins, dpavlin i tried this : PERL5LIB=/home/koha/src KOHA_CONF=/home/koha/etc/koha-conf.xml starman -MFindBin -MC4::Context --workers 6 --port 5000 --pid /home/koha/var/run/starman_opac.pid /home/koha/src/opac.psgi 2>/home/koha/var/log/starman_opac.err >/home/koha/var/log/starman_opac.log 14:32 hdl hi vfernandes sorry 14:32 hdl hi vfernandez 14:26 vfernandes hi :) 14:19 drojf grammer is for loosers 14:18 jcamins Thanks. 14:18 jcamins Ah-ha. 14:18 kf and sorry for bad grammar :) 14:18 kf the little pull down you have there 14:18 kf some defaults 14:18 kf messages in borrower account 14:18 kf ah 14:18 jcamins What does BOR_NOTES do? 14:16 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "UNION or JOIN in my query??? http://t.co/Wb46csAJ #kohails" 14:04 jcamins I am not, no. 14:03 jcamins hdl: let me check my config. 14:03 hdl jcamins, have you tried preloading perlModules on Starman command-line ? 14:02 jcamins hdl: I'm using Plack for testing, but not production. 14:02 hdl Or anyone using Plack in production ? 14:02 drojf leaving messages for someone_away to read when s/he is here is a funny thing ;) 14:02 hdl hi dpavlin around ? 14:01 jcamins kf: oh, I saw the instructions for gerundio to contact me, didn't realize you wanted me as well. 14:00 kf jcamins: I left a message for jcamins_away... 14:00 kf :) 13:58 drojf magnuse: cool, thanks 13:58 magnuse s/sats/sets/ 13:57 drojf lol. ours is up again 13:57 magnuse drojf: oai does not care how the sats are constructed as far as i know, so feel free to add 'value is not' 13:57 jcamins drojf: pfft. This one wouldn't. :P 13:53 drojf one would think a university has working webmail available 13:52 drojf argh. "Error 503 - Server busy". no emails for drojf 13:50 jcamins Exactly. 13:50 jcamins lol 13:50 drojf maybe in form of a daily out of office notice? :P 13:48 * jcamins thinks it should have an auto-responder: "Koha does not work under Windows, sorry." 13:48 drojf shouldn't we kill the koha-win32 mailing list? 13:40 drojf hi jcamins 13:39 jcamins Good morning, #koha. 13:32 drojf in OAI set mappings, i can specify field values with "equal to". would having a negative (like 'value is not') be against OAI standards or is it just not implemented in koha? 13:21 tcohen paul_p: the same applies for finally having koha-es@lists.koha-community.org ? 13:18 drojf paul_p: will do, thanks :) 13:17 kf same for the workshop we did earlier this year 13:17 paul_p drojf yes, of course, it's possible to have koha-de@lists.koha-community.org Could you please throw a mail to sysop@biblibre.com. That's lds that will take care of it (our sysop) 13:17 drojf i had several people at the workshop ask about it too 13:17 kf I second that :) 13:17 drojf the old one was intended for translation stuff only and that scares regular library folk away 13:16 drojf paul_p: we would like to have a "main" german list 'Koha-de'. if i understand correctly, renaming the old list Koha-i18n-german would be a PITA. if so, could we get Koha-de additionally? 13:14 kf lol 13:13 paul_p drojf = throw your question (i'm between 2 meetings ;-) ) 13:13 magnuse drojf++ 13:12 magnuse nooooo.... 13:12 drojf but yes, i will try to write a few sentences about it 13:12 drojf magnuse: of course kf did not tell you to ask that question :P 13:11 magnuse drojf: you'll tell about it in the next newsletter, right? ;-) 13:09 magnuse drojf: very cool!! 13:09 drojf paul_p__: heh. i'd have a mailing list question if you have a minute now or later 13:08 paul_p__ that's the beauty of having no more WIFI and moving from a meeting to another one... 13:07 drojf paul_p__'s tail is growing 13:07 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 13:07 tcohen @later tell druthb_away: please try to log into druthb@jacinto.unc.edu.ar 13:06 drojf magnuse: yes, it was a lot of fun. i think 10-12 people left with a brand new koha installation. so far i got only positive feedback 13:02 kf drojf had the workshop, kf stayed at home and waited for news 13:01 magnuse drojf, kf: did you have the workshop yet? 12:59 wahanui well, irspy is a good source for identifying Z39.50 targets. See http://irspy.indexdata.com. 12:59 kf irspy? 12:59 drojf there is a syspref in 3.10 i think, so it would be nice to at least find some info on what to do 12:59 magnuse normal people don't install koha :-) 12:58 kf not sure it's recommendable for normal people yet 12:58 kf hm I think it's still experimental kind of 12:58 drojf a more normal person from the workshop asked about it ;) 12:57 kf drojf: since when are you normal people? 12:57 kf clrh: around? 12:55 drojf the things i can find on the wiki regarding koha&solr are not for "normal" people ;) 12:54 drojf [off] ah ok then appears to be only a generic site under construction, not specific to koha 12:53 kf [off] http://www.community.org/ 12:52 kf [off] happens to me a lot 12:51 drojf [off] had a typo in my url, look what if found http://www.wiki.koha.community.org/ 12:49 kf I know rangi tried it out, you have to install lots of extra things but probably not too hard from there 12:49 kf drojf: I think currently it's the wiki 12:48 drojf is there some information on how to use koha with solr for non-devs available somewhere or would people have to go through rfcs and bugzilla? 12:44 tcohen hi drojf 12:43 drojf hi tcohen 12:38 tcohen mornin' #koha 12:29 kf only joking... of course :) 12:29 kf drojf: don't say such things about magnuse! 12:25 drojf mir geht es gut, danke der nachfrage. und dir? :) 12:25 magnuse wie gehts? 12:24 drojf hei magnuse 12:24 magnuse guten tag drojf 12:20 drojf brb 12:20 drojf haha. windows. have to reboot. lol 12:19 drojf almost done 12:19 kf what happened to your survey? 12:19 kf was ist mit deiner umfrage passiert? 12:18 kf \o/ 12:18 kf :) 12:17 * drojf ruft deutsch als kanalsprache aus 12:17 drojf er ist erst geflogen, nachdem er neu reingekommen ist :) 12:16 drojf heh 12:16 kf lol 12:16 kf er ist grade raus - aber vielleicht eh nur automatisch 12:16 kf same for me 12:15 drojf paul_p_: around? 12:14 drojf oh meeting today. already had forgotten about it again. 11:27 wahanui search rewrite is probably http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/C_&_P_Search_Rewrite_RFC 11:27 kf search rewrite? 11:27 kf he is working on search features and a rewrite of the existing code that would allow that, he knows most about the search related code currently 11:26 gerundio will do :) thanks again 11:26 kf gerundio: you should talk about that to jcamins_away 11:24 gerundio is it possible to define relevance weights for the different fields so this doesn't happen? 11:24 gerundio I then went for the item MARC view and noticed that the word is present in the 200e field 11:23 gerundio I've searched for "Nature" on my catalog and the 1st result doesn't even have that word in the 200a title field 11:22 gerundio I'm getting some weird results on the search values 11:18 kf not an expert, but you can try and ask anyway :) 11:18 kf pretty much everything from the database is one language only 11:18 kf they are stored in the database 11:18 gerundio btw, are you by any means a Zebra expert? 11:18 kf ah right 11:18 gerundio just wanted to make sure that is an expected behavior :) 11:17 gerundio a colleague of mine changed the fieldnames to PT and now at OPAC, in the MARC view, they are show in PT even if EN is selected 11:17 gerundio ok, thanks a lot kf 11:16 kf gerundio: that is not possible I am afraid :( at the moment it's one langauge only for marc - the xslt for normal view are translatable 11:16 gerundio I have 2 languages available in my installation PT and EN 11:16 gerundio kf, by translated I meant if the field names are shown according to selected language for the UI 11:14 kf gerundio: yes, you can do so in the interface or you can create your own installer with translated sql files 11:09 gerundio hi, are the Mark framework fieldnames translatable? 11:08 magnuse there you go :-) 11:08 huginn magnuse: Karma for "C4::Search" has been increased 0 times and decreased 32 times for a total karma of -32. 11:08 magnuse @karma C4::Search 11:05 magnuse hehe 10:58 drojf that is surprisingly not low enough ;) 10:58 huginn drojf: Karma for "search.pm" has been increased 0 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of -2. 10:58 drojf @karma search.pm 10:48 huginn kf: Karma for "Search.pm" has been increased 0 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of -2. 10:48 kf @karma Search.pm 10:48 wahanui somebody said Search.pm was complicated and has been the source of much contention in the wake of KohaCon with BibLibre rewriting it for Solr/Lucene instead of Zebra support. 10:48 kf Search.pm? 10:43 kf jcamins_away: ping me when you are awake? 10:09 * mveron has to head away 10:08 mveron :-) 10:07 magnuse mveron++ 09:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9205 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , "No items available" is it awkward 09:58 * mveron will comment the suggestion with the .po file to Bug 9205 and then mark it as resolved 09:51 magnuse yeah, probably not 09:29 kf yes, I think so, but they probably don't want to start their own english translation 09:28 magnuse mveron, kf: maybe it could be solved by using a .po file? 08:59 kf I think I can agree with that 08:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9205 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , "No items available" is it awkward 08:56 * mveron would like to mark Bug 9205 as RESOLVED WONTFIX 08:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8945 normal, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Pushed to Stable , Koha 3.10 Help Files Update 08:05 jenkins_koha nengard: Bug 8945: Did you mean help file 08:05 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #29: SUCCESS in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/29/ 08:00 wahanui hello, francharb 08:00 francharb hi 08:00 francharb ho 07:58 julian_m hello all 07:58 julian_m hello magnuse 07:58 magnuse bonjour julian_m and gaetan_B 07:56 gaetan_B hello 07:50 magnuse success! \o/ 07:48 cait bbl 07:48 cait snow showers... meh. 07:48 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 3.0°C (8:30 AM CET on December 05, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady). 07:48 mveron @wunder basel 07:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9135 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , updatedatabase.pl fails when DEBUG is set 07:47 wahanui i already had it that way, jenkins_koha. 07:47 jenkins_koha jcamins: Bug 9135: updatedatabase.pl fails when DEBUG is set 07:47 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #243: SUCCESS in 1 hr 2 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/243/ 07:46 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 0.8°C (8:45 AM CET on December 05, 2012). Conditions: Light Snow Showers. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: -0.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Rising). 07:46 cait @wunder Konstanz 07:46 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -8.0°C (8:20 AM CET on December 05, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: -11.0°C. Windchill: -16.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady). 07:46 magnuse @wunder boo 07:46 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 6.0°C (8:30 AM CET on December 05, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady). 07:46 magnuse @wunder marseille 07:46 magnuse bonjour alex_a 07:45 alex_a et bonjour cait magnuse and marc 07:45 alex_a niihau wahanui ! 07:45 wahanui niihau, alex_a 07:45 alex_a bonjour 07:45 cait hey reiveune :) 07:43 mveron hi magnuse :-) 07:43 magnuse hiya lds mveron reiveune 07:39 reiveune salut mveron magnuse cait and everybody 07:38 mveron Hi reiveune :-) 07:38 reiveune hello 07:38 mveron system requirements? 07:37 mveron If somebody new to koha would like to have an overview over system requirements (Opac and Staff), where would (s)he find it? 07:36 mveron Hi cait :-) 07:35 cait good morning mveron :) 07:35 mveron Good morning #koha 06:59 jenkins_koha Starting build #29 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 06:57 * cait waves back 06:55 * magnuse waves 06:44 jenkins_koha Starting build #243 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 05:47 cait cool 05:44 eythian so far it's going nice and smoothly, so I should be out of here fairly soon. 05:44 eythian yep. Got a go-live of a new system tomorrow, so making sure that everything is up and running for that, so that when their data comes in, that's all that has to be done. 05:43 cait still at work? 05:43 cait hey :) 05:43 eythian hi cait 05:42 cait hi #koha 03:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9135 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , updatedatabase.pl fails when DEBUG is set 03:42 jenkins_koha jcamins: Bug 9135: updatedatabase.pl fails when DEBUG is set 03:42 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #28: SUCCESS in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/28/ 03:01 wizzyrea ah yea, not cool 03:00 jenkins_koha Starting build #28 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 02:57 jcamins_away wizzyrea: no advanced search, no CCL. 02:25 wizzyrea jcamins_away: define "non-simple" 02:17 * drojf imagines that to be a code for emails of special clients 02:16 * jcamins_away goes to read Les Miserables. 02:11 trea you're probably correct 02:11 jcamins_away You would probably be better off signing off on Waylon's patch to add that feature in a more useful way. 02:10 jcamins_away However, that will also break non-simple searches. 02:10 jcamins_away I believe that will work. 02:10 jcamins_away branch:CODE or branch:OTHER 02:06 trea i've had a couple of those days in a row myself 02:06 eythian those days are annoying 02:06 eythian ah right 02:06 drojf eythian: true. i was really tired all day, and when it was time to sleep i was awake :/ 02:06 jcamins_away Let me see if I can find it. 02:05 jcamins_away trea: you can, I think, but the method is non-obvious. 02:05 eythian drojf: this is an odd time for you to be online 02:00 drojf you could try something like 'branch:CPL OR FFL' (with valid branch codes) and see what happens 01:59 drojf trea: this sounds like it http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Support_for_multiple_PAC_interfaces_by_URL_RFC#Search_Limits: 01:28 trea ie, if you wanted to have a specific url search two branches at once, for example 01:27 trea anyone know if you can modify the SetEnv OPAC_SEARCH_LIMIT in your apache virtualhost directive to include more than one institution ID? 01:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8820 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Don't show orders table if there are no orders 01:07 jenkins_koha oleonard: Bug 8820 [3.8.x] Don't show orders table if there are no orders 01:07 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #242: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/242/ 00:29 jenkins_koha Starting build #242 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)