Time Nick Message 23:01 drojf meh. 'i should install limesurvey to let people evaluate my workshop … let's see how to install it … cool, it works on my webspace … that wasn't complicated at all, what now … oh no, i'm too lazy to think about questions, maybe i find another survey tool to install …' 22:48 rambutan hi eythian 22:43 eythian hi 21:02 rangi open solaris, if it still existed maybe :-) 21:01 rambutan oh, you'd love Solaris! 21:01 rangi rambutan: deb would make my life easier yes :) 21:01 rambutan Still haven't asked for permission though. :) 21:01 rambutan rangi: I have my tech installing deb on a Sun Fire V240 for a test run. It was happily running Solaris, but thought you might prefer deb or something. 21:00 cait the article is long 20:59 rambutan translate.google.com -- even preserves the page formatting 20:59 cait that's the headline anyway 20:58 cait cooperation and sharing instead of secretiveness 20:58 cait the open source principle 20:58 cait I am going to try and embarass myself 20:58 cait hmmmm 20:57 rangi can i get a paraphrase? 20:55 mveron drojf + 20:55 drojf http://www.netzwoche.ch/de-CH/News/2012/12/04/Das-Open-Source-Prinzip-Kooperieren-und-teilen-statt-Geheimniskraemerei-betreiben.aspx 20:55 mveron http://www.netzwoche.ch/de-CH/News/2012/12/04/Das-Open-Source-Prinzip-Kooperieren-und-teilen-statt-Geheimniskraemerei-betreiben.aspx 20:55 mveron Sorry, try this: 20:54 cait hm site not found :( 20:54 mveron Swiss media about Open Source: www.netzwoche.ch/de-CH/News/2012/12/04 (in German) 20:53 mveron I did not yet try with the vacuum - but i plan to do so with some veal. 20:53 jcamins_away mveron: yeah, the vacuum packer machines. :) 20:53 mveron jcamins_away: for the dishwasher? great! 20:52 jcamins_away We're not going to, I was just talking about it. 20:52 drojf s/run/ran 20:52 jcamins_away mveron: I was talking about getting a food sealer the other day. I thought about you. :) 20:52 drojf mveron: good! about 12 kohas installed. everybody that stayed managed to install. two librarians run off after half an hour though :/ 20:51 mveron and hi cait 20:51 mveron hi drojf, how was your Koha party? 20:50 rambutan same for Polaris taking market share from Unicorn/Dynix/Horizon 20:50 cait hi mveron 20:50 drojf hi mveron 20:50 mveron hi #koha 20:50 jcamins_away Not really. 20:49 cait jcamins_away: oh, I wondered if she said somehting about both ILS in comparison :) 20:49 jcamins_away rambutan: I noticed that. I figure it must've been a consortium. 20:49 rambutan per ibrarytechnology stats: EG took a big a* bite out of Millennium last year. 20:48 jcamins_away A hard worker, though much less experienced than my other interns. 20:48 jcamins_away She was very pleasant. 20:46 wahanui and is that patch only for "$" or for "$ CAD" ? 20:46 cait and? 20:45 * jcamins_away had an intern who worked in the library there. 20:44 cait they put a lot of money towards it I think 20:42 rambutan I'm guessing this organization is probably a main life-support contributor for LLEK? Sine qua non? 20:42 wizzyrea using apple fonts etc. 20:42 cait oh ok 20:42 wizzyrea it looks like an apple website 20:42 wizzyrea that site from the email 20:42 cait wizzyrea: apple? 20:41 wizzyrea nah 20:41 jcamins_away I thought you were talking about the state. 20:41 jcamins_away Right. 20:41 jcamins_away Ohh. 20:41 jcamins_away ) 20:41 wizzyrea NH is just one 20:41 jcamins_away (hence the "Westchester" in the name 20:41 wizzyrea many institutions 20:40 wizzyrea waldo is huuuge 20:40 jcamins_away wizzyrea: in NH? I always thought WALDO was based in Westchester. 20:40 rambutan things that make you go "hummm" 20:40 wizzyrea also they apparently want to be apple. 20:40 wizzyrea yep. 20:40 rambutan yea. Apparently they are sill on LLEK? 20:39 wizzyrea rambutan: they are waldo, the people who spawned LLEK 20:39 rambutan I hadn't been aware until now that NH had such an apparently large <independent?> Koha dev effort. (Trying to use enough vague qualifiers in my statement) 20:37 cait lol 20:34 drojf nobody expects the google inquisition 20:33 drojf ha! even 20:33 drojf ha1 a twist :D 20:33 jcamins_away I thought you were going to say "he should ask that on a Google group." 20:33 jcamins_away Oh. 20:32 drojf we should include google MAPS also! 20:32 * jcamins_away does. 20:32 drojf jcamins_away: you know what i am going to say 20:28 * chris_n either 20:27 cait brb 20:27 cait I think it wuld have showed up on twitter 20:26 jcamins_away I'm not sure if she has yet. I don't really follow librarytechnology.org. 20:26 cait ah good! 20:26 jcamins_away cait: nengard volunteered to do that. 20:26 * cait wanders off 20:26 cait talking about things we could do.... what about senidng our 3.10 announcement to marshall breeding? 20:25 cait hm 20:24 jcamins_away I see no benefit to be gained from "unfortunately the license prohibits that." 20:23 rangi yeah 20:22 jcamins_away I thought about it, but decided against it. 20:22 * jcamins_away either. 20:17 cait me neither 20:15 tcohen bye #koha 20:15 rangi not touching that email 20:09 rangi :) 20:09 rangi and will again next year 20:09 rangi koha had a big one last year 20:09 rangi yeah they had a big year this year 20:08 cait evergren has some nice numbers 20:07 rangi http://www.librarytechnology.org/ils-turnover-reverse.pl?Year=2012 20:07 jcamins_away Cool, I didn't know that. 20:07 rangi as its getting to the end of the year 20:06 rangi http://www.librarytechnology.org/ils-turnover.pl?Year=2012 20:06 rangi its pretty much realtime .. he's just been tweeting it 20:06 jcamins_away Has he released a new dataset? 20:06 jcamins_away Ah. 20:06 rangi s 20:06 rangi evergreen and koha .. in the turnover report, how its hard to see as its spread over multiple vendor 20:05 jcamins_away What are you discussing? Evergreen's representation in the database? 20:04 jcamins_away lol 20:04 rangi i crack myself up 20:04 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ranginui: "@tararobertson @mbreeding it's the same with #kohails it's a tricky one to solve, 61 across 11 vendors (not counting the 15 sporks)" 20:02 slc0274 Ok thank you for the information. I will get with my tech people and see if we can get this working. I appreciate the help. 20:01 jcamins_away At the migration toolbox link, not the holdings data link, which is of course where you find information about how Koha stores holdings data. :) 20:00 jcamins_away ^^ that's where you would find the best command-line scripts. 20:00 huginn cait: unknown tag 952 20:00 wahanui The 952 field is used by Koha to store item data in MARC21 and is described at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Holdings_data_fields_%289xx%29 20:00 cait @marc 952 20:00 wahanui i guess migration toolbox is https://www.gitorious.org/koha-toolbox/ 20:00 jcamins_away migration toolbox? 20:00 jcamins_away You have two options for that sort of thing: MarcEdit, which has a graphical user interface, and command-line scripts. 20:00 jcamins_away Probably Spectrum stuck the information somewhere in the 8xx or 9xx range, and you just have to move it. 20:00 slc0274 I have looked and looked 20:00 slc0274 Is there somewhere I can go to find out more about exactly how to do that? 19:59 jcamins_away Right, so you'll need to convert the holdings information that you got out of Winnebago Spectrum into Koha item reccords. 19:56 slc0274 the patrons were a CSV file 19:56 slc0274 actually I was wrong it was a MARC file not a CSV file 19:56 jcamins_away How did you convert your records to MARC? 19:56 jcamins_away Well, Koha doesn't understand Winnebago's format at all, so it's not that there was an error with the file so much as the file didn't have the information in the places it needed to go. 19:56 slc0274 3.8 19:55 cait slc0274: which version of koha are you using? 19:55 slc0274 or not matching 19:54 slc0274 so if it didn't automatically do it something is not right on the file I imported 19:54 jcamins_away That page on the wiki lists which subfields are used for what piece of information. 19:53 huginn jcamins_away: unknown tag 952 19:53 wahanui The 952 field is used by Koha to store item data in MARC21 and is described at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Holdings_data_fields_%289xx%29 19:53 jcamins_away @marc 952 19:53 jcamins_away In that case you should import the holdings as item records. It's just a matter of mapping Spectrum holdings information into Koha holdings information. 19:53 slc0274 I exported everything at once records and holdings 19:52 slc0274 The file I imported was a CSV file that I exported from our current library system Winnebago Spectrum 19:52 jcamins_away Also, Koha is a name not an acronym. :) 19:52 jcamins_away Usually it's easiest to import the holdings information with the bib records. 19:52 jcamins_away slc0274: it depends what format your holdings information is in. 19:51 slc0274 I would like to ask a question but I am by no means an expert. We are experimenting with KOHA to see if we want to use it for our school library. We have put all of our patrons in and I have imported my records. However no holdings were imported. Is there an easy way to import the holdings all at once? 19:51 jcamins_away cait: was that you gnashing your teeth? ;) 19:50 magnuse http://dbpedia.org/resource/Leon_Uris 19:50 cait GND! 19:50 jcamins_away Or, as I might say if there were some sort of file with authoritative information about names: Uris, Leon, 1924-2003. :) 19:49 magnuse not this time, at least 19:49 jcamins_away Yes. 19:49 magnuse leon uris? 19:48 rangi yup :) 19:48 * jcamins_away thought we were celebrating the author of Exodus and The Haj. 19:48 magnuse as in linked data ;-) 19:48 rangi ahh :) 19:48 magnuse URIs 19:47 rangi uris? 19:44 magnuse uris ftw! 19:38 cait tcohen++ 19:38 jcamins_away lol 19:38 rangi that could only possibly work if we came up with our own character encryption to store it in 19:37 rangi that's crazy talk 19:37 jcamins_away Maybe an electronic file. 19:37 jcamins_away Something with authority. 19:36 jcamins_away If only there was something to disambiguate names. 19:36 libsysguy poor google 19:36 libsysguy yeah there is a lot of name copying now...boo 19:36 rangi how's that for confusing 19:36 rangi there's another company catalyst in teh US doing evergreen stuff now 19:35 rangi we had the name first .. cant help it if ppl want to copy :) 19:35 libsysguy :p 19:35 libsysguy thanks... 19:35 rangi and eythian and wizzyrea too now :) 19:35 libsysguy also, I can't have anything related to libraries and catalyst in my google searches 19:35 rangi heh 19:35 libsysguy every time I see the word catalyst I get a little excited then I realize that its where rangi works 19:35 rangi :) 19:34 * jcamins_away returns to being vaguely hopeful that he has some idea what's going on around him. 19:34 rangi no worries 19:34 jcamins_away Thanks. 19:34 jcamins_away Ah. That explains it. 19:34 rangi koha doesnt have it 19:34 rangi jcamins_away: thats all on the moodle side 19:33 jcamins_away Incidentally, windows-- 19:32 jcamins_away rangi: I am confused about SAML support as well. I thought Koha didn't have it, but the newsletter the guy on the mailing list links to would seem to indicate that you've been using SAML for Koha authentication at Catalyst. 19:20 magnuse windchill-- 19:18 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Iqaluit, Nunavut is -22.0°C (2:00 PM EST on December 04, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: -26.0°C. Windchill: -28.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Rising). 19:18 druthb @wunder iqaluit 19:18 * magnuse goes to the canary isles in a week and a day... :-) 19:17 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Kautokeino, Norway is -8.0°C (7:00 PM CET on December 04, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: -10.0°C. Pressure: 29.73 in 1007 hPa (Rising). 19:17 druthb brr! 19:17 magnuse @wunder kautokeino 19:17 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Aal Skisenter bunnstasjon, Aal, Norway is -19.8°C (8:16 PM CET on December 04, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: -26.0°C. Windchill: -20.0°C. Pressure: 29.44 in 997 hPa (Steady). 19:17 magnuse @wunder geilo, norway 19:17 magnuse jinx! 19:17 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -7.0°C (7:50 PM CET on December 04, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -10.0°C. Windchill: -14.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). 19:17 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Near Lawrence High School, Lawrence, Kansas is 17.0°C (1:14 PM CST on December 04, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 16%. Dew Point: -9.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Falling). 19:17 magnuse @wunder boo 19:16 druthb @wunder 66046 19:15 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 4.1°C (8:13 PM CET on December 04, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: -0.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.30 in 992 hPa (Steady). 19:15 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 19:13 rangi :) 19:13 cait rangi: wish I could come and visit :) 19:12 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0°C (8:00 AM NZDT on December 05, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Steady). 19:12 rangi @wunder nzwn 19:12 gml thanks for the suggestions 19:10 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 2.0°C (8:00 PM CET on December 04, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Rising). 19:10 cait @wunder Konstanz 19:09 cait LDAP and CAS are also things you could look at - depending on what exactly you want to do and integrate 19:07 rangi Direct db access will then need to be redone, but any of the 3 api will still work 19:06 rangi We will be changing the password hashing in the near future 19:05 gml but results are not equal when I'm entering non-ascii characters in plaintext password 19:05 cait using an interface, not accessing the database directly 19:05 cait yep 19:05 rangi Or ilsdi 19:05 cait for authentication 19:05 cait a better way to do things like that is using sip2 19:05 gml I've succeeded with MD5 and base64, 19:04 cait you are aware that the password is encrypted in koha? 19:04 gml authentication from third-party application using Koha DB 19:03 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" 19:03 cait first question? 19:03 cait gml: what are you triyng to do? 19:03 gml what's the treatment on non-ascii characters in borrowers.password? until now, I know it's not UTF-8 or ISO-8859-1 19:03 gml hello everyone. 18:51 libsysguy later tcohen 18:50 tcohen bye #koha 18:50 tcohen leaving right now 18:50 tcohen ok, libsysguy, let me know if i can help with more tests 18:48 JDatTeTakere Drat...not so good at my IRC yet 18:47 JDatTeTakere I will #cait 18:47 cait but hopefully you will be back tomorrow?:) 18:47 cait yep 18:47 JDatTeTakere Does that mean I can go back to bed? 18:47 drojf hi rangi 18:47 drojf heh 18:47 drojf look its those future people again ;) 18:46 rangi We live in the future 18:46 rangi Yep it is, but UTC time :) 18:46 cait magnuse: who knows... 18:46 JDatTeTakere I had the meeting in my diary for 5 Dec. 18:45 magnuse morning rangi 18:45 magnuse has cait become psychic? ;-) 18:45 cait morning rangi 18:45 wahanui hmmm... Morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast. 18:45 rangi Morning 18:45 JDatTeTakere Morning...ahh...wrong day :-) 18:44 cait :) 18:44 cait hi JDatTeTakere - in case you are here for the meeting -it's tomorrow : 18:44 magnuse kia ora JDatTeTakere 18:41 libsysguy kudos tcohen++ 18:40 libsysguy i saw that 18:40 tcohen libsysguy, i attached the dbd:mock patches 18:39 tcohen the second is a tiny patch, the first the tests rewrite using DBD:Mock 18:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9211 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , days_between wrong behaviour 18:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9209 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Mocked Koha::Calendar tests 18:38 tcohen jcamins, bug 9209 and bug 9211 18:35 kathryn bye for now! 18:35 kathryn apart from everyone else worked out we were wrong! 18:34 kathryn it was probably a team effort ;) 18:33 * magnuse isn't sure that is a good idea :-) 18:32 kathryn (not true) 18:31 kathryn :) magnuse I'll blame it on the new girl 18:30 magnuse go get 'em kathryn :-) 18:29 kathryn hehe thanks magnuse I've been doing my math! see yas later...whoever at Catalyst told me the meeting was the morning after the staff Christmas party is in trouble! 18:28 magnuse yay 18:28 jcamins magnuse: sounds right. 18:27 magnuse the meeting is in 24 hours - 27 minutes, right? 18:26 vfernandes ok :) 18:26 jcamins I'd say file a bug. 18:24 vfernandes on the refine search results there is a extra comma... in OPAC and Staff client 18:23 jcamins vfernandes: that does not ring any bells for me. 18:22 vfernandes there is any bug open with refine authors display problem? there is a extra comma 18:22 jcamins Yes please. 18:22 tcohen should I fill a new bug and leave that bug as is? 18:21 tcohen i found it in my tests rewrite 18:21 tcohen there's still an open bug noted in the comments 18:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8486 blocker, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Critical error in Koha::Calendar::days_between calculation 18:21 tcohen bug 8486 has been pushed, BUT 18:21 kathryn morning all, I thought I was late for the meeting! 18:20 tcohen jcamins 18:08 cait sounds like a good idea 18:08 libsysguy just so everybody knows I have a 401k :p 18:08 libsysguy heh 18:08 libsysguy oh yup 18:08 cait wrong chan? 18:07 huginn libsysguy: The operation succeeded. 18:07 libsysguy @later tell cindy thanks for getting my retirement stuff cleared up 17:49 cait yeah 17:49 cait ah and that too? 17:48 jcamins cait: UNIMARC... crazy, eh? 17:48 cait bibliographic and authority records 17:48 cait I think you are talking aobut different things 17:46 vfernandes 5xx are notes 17:45 vfernandes 4xx are serial titles I think... 17:44 sophie_m thank you cait. And if somone else want to test... 17:44 gerundio 4xx and 5xx refer to Authoroties titles, right? 17:44 cait sophie_m: I will try to take alook , but have to work on something else tonight 17:43 gerundio and the indexes for the Title field show a lot of 200 subfields 17:43 vfernandes it also search 4XX and 5XX fields 17:43 gerundio I'm looking at the /etc/koha/zebradb/marc_defs/unimarc/biblios/record.abs file 17:42 jcamins gerundio: yes. 17:41 vfernandes gerundio: in UNIMARC search on title search in many 200 subfields 17:41 sophie_m cait and have done some other patches linked to it that are waiting for signoff ;-) 17:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6030 critical, P3, ---, stephane.delaune, Needs Signoff , Allow for html in letters in overdue notices 17:40 vfernandes search on title search in different subfields 17:40 sophie_m cait I have written some comments on Bug 6030 on overdue notices 17:40 sophie_m hi cait and #koha 17:38 gerundio trick question: is it normal to perform an advanced search for a given title and most of the records that show up in the result set don't even have that word in the title? 17:30 cait h i#koha 17:25 libsysguy I don't think it'd be more than a library 17:25 jcamins Oh, it doesn't require you to incorporate the code? 17:24 libsysguy heh no, it'd be the equivalent of the bookjacket stuff 17:24 jcamins But not open source? 17:22 libsysguy they are pretty useful services imo 17:22 * jcamins has never even heard of those things. 17:21 libsysguy nothing too serious 17:21 libsysguy heh, it was just a thought 17:21 jcamins libsysguy: none. 17:14 libsysguy anybody have thoughts on using a service like disqus or livefyre as koha's commenting system? 17:03 mib ok tx 17:03 jcamins However, if you're able to get the data converted by MarcEdit, Koha will handle it just fine. :) 17:02 mib i will do that 17:02 mib ok 17:02 jcamins There's a MarcEdit mailing list where you could ask for help with that particular step. 17:01 mib i have been only using marcedit but apparantly it was not taking alphanumeric numbers while coverting data 17:01 jcamins I presume it would work fine with MarcEdit. 17:01 mib i dont knw any other tool to get data from excel to mrc format 17:01 * drojf heads home 17:00 jcamins I don't know anything about MarcEdit. 17:00 jcamins It will work fine with Koha. 17:00 jcamins That should work. 17:00 mib if i assign in excel sheet before each numeric number any alphabet say A1, B1, C1 will that be imported successfully 16:59 jcamins In that case, you should assign unique barcode ranges to each library. 16:59 mib only books are accessioned 16:58 mib no barcoding is actually not yet done 16:58 jcamins Let me rephrase that: are there barcode labels on the books? 16:58 mib i am running marcedit to convert excel data 16:57 mib from excel sheet 16:57 jcamins mib: where are the barcodes coming from? 16:57 bag no it hasn't yet 16:56 mib i had one more problem if i attach one alphabet before numeric accession number when i run excel to marc in marcedit marcedit delete alphanumeric numbers from 952 16:56 jcamins bag would know. 16:56 jcamins Did the barcode prefix stuff ever get into Koha? 16:55 libsysguy you just can't have duplicate barcodes across those branches 16:55 libsysguy right, you can do that 16:54 mib we want to have single installation with multiple branch data uploaded on single server 16:54 libsysguy that barcode thing is really a pita 16:54 drojf you could use instances instead of branches. but that is probably not what you want 16:53 libsysguy mib you could delete all the barcodes but that isn't really a satisfactory solution 16:53 jcamins mib: unfortunately I don't think there's really a work-around to make barcodes unique. 16:53 rambutan and I would add, they are making more money than I am by far... 16:52 chris_n maybe I should be paying myself instead 16:52 * chris_n hates it when he knows more than the tech support at the service provider he is paying good money to >:( 16:49 mib oh what could be the solution then 16:48 jcamins mib: you can't have duplicate barcodes at all, even if the items are at different branches. 16:48 mib yes branch codes do match in koha and mrc file 16:47 mib but these duplicate barcodes are from each branches 16:47 mib but after import it says 10000 records were not added due to duplicate barcodes 16:47 mib when i stage records it says 33000 records are staged 16:47 mib branches are set up in koha 16:46 drojf mib: have you set up the branches in koha and do branch codes in koha and your marc file match? 16:37 mib how to get all these libraries data into single koha installation where each branch has its own accession series 16:37 mib i wish to get a multiple branch libraries data into koha through marc records import. when i run stage marc records i am getting only single library data but my mrc file contains multiple branches along with their accession numbers 16:33 vfernandes if editing a record to change language to "por" it won't work 16:32 vfernandes in koha 3.8.X you can't edit UNIMARC field 100 language 16:32 vfernandes resolves two problems: the default language is fre when importing/editing biblio and the default value on the field 100 plugin is also fre... 16:32 Joubu goodbye 16:31 gerundio I'm going to take a look 16:31 gerundio so probably it's that bug vfernandes mentioned 16:31 gerundio because I was just about to say my colleague just told me that he edited one record and the value remained the same 16:31 jcamins gerundio: oh, if it's the bug that vfernandes reported, I think it is impossible to fix without his patch. 16:30 gerundio hmmm, vfernandes nice 16:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8347 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Needs Signoff , Koha forces UNIMARC 100 field code language to 'fre' 16:30 vfernandes gerundio I've submitted a bug fix for that problem bug 8347 16:28 jcamins Probably it would be faster to script it. 16:28 gerundio somewhat around 60k records so far 16:27 jcamins Depending how many records there are, it might be better to write a script, though. 16:27 gerundio jcamins, thanks again, you're always a great help :) 16:26 gerundio since this is still in pre-production environment maybe it's the best solution for this 16:26 jcamins Should do, yes. 16:21 gerundio a full catalog export, find and replace of the value of the field 100 on a MARC editor and full import could do the trick? 16:19 gerundio and the 100 field value is showing the default Koha value 16:18 gerundio jcamins, I'm looking at the Manage staged MARC records Batch 16:11 jcamins If you set the default value for the framework the imported records will use, it'll get automatically populated when someone opens up those records, too. 16:11 reiveune bye 16:10 gerundio I expected it to happen too on imported ones 16:10 gerundio I see that on new records 16:09 jcamins gerundio: if you set a default, it will be automatically filled in whenever anyone opens a record that doesn't have that field populated. 16:09 * drojf goes to sit in a corner 16:08 gerundio jcamins, is this a standard behavior or should the imported records reflect my change in the 1st place? 16:08 drojf ah sorry no, i was not paying enough attention and just remembered how i changed fields in all frameworks. which is something entirely different of course. sorry, ignore me, i'm tired and confused 16:07 jcamins You can use touch_all_biblios.pl as a base. 16:07 jcamins You'll need to write a script to do it. 16:07 kf but not the marcxml and marc... 16:07 jcamins It'll also corrupt all the records. 16:07 jcamins it'll change the field. 16:06 jcamins Well... 16:06 drojf it won't? 16:06 jcamins No, SQL won't work. 16:05 wahanui okay, drojf. 16:05 drojf but it is also a way to destroy everything in seconds, so take a backup ;) 16:05 drojf sql 16:03 gerundio is there any way to update this for all the records in my catalog? 16:02 gerundio I was now told that those records have the default koha value for that subfield 16:02 gerundio I then imported a lot of records 16:02 gerundio sometime ago, while setting up my koha instance I changed the Default value of the "a" subfield on tag 100 in the mark framework 15:54 tcohen and create a new one to discuss this removal 15:53 tcohen i'll leave Koha/Calendar.pm almost untouched for this bug 15:52 tcohen ok 15:47 tcohen and mocking makes them useless 15:47 tcohen those methods are for volatile data 15:47 tcohen and puts it in its own data structures 15:47 tcohen Koha::Calendar reads what C4::Calendar put on the DB 15:46 jcamins However, if it would be useful for quickly populating data structures with baseline data, I'd keep it. 15:46 libsysguy RM jcamins 15:46 tcohen exactly 15:46 libsysguy yup 15:46 tcohen you mean jcamins? 15:46 jcamins If it has no practical use outside of unit tests, I'd remove it. 15:45 tcohen as it was used only on Calendar.t 15:45 libsysguy but you might want to ask the RM 15:45 libsysguy I would personally agree 15:45 libsysguy hmm 15:45 tcohen i vote for removal 15:45 tcohen what do u think of that code that exists just for testing like _mockinit, or add_holiday 15:45 tcohen or, the first one i was about to ask: 15:44 libsysguy k 15:44 tcohen another question 15:44 libsysguy so many tests, so little time 15:44 libsysguy oh there are a lot lol 15:44 tcohen if u remember any test we could add, just tell me 15:43 libsysguy I may look at your work on calendar 15:43 tcohen i'm about to create a bug for the new Calendar.t 15:43 tcohen perfect 15:43 tcohen oh, you are a step ahead, that was my next step 15:42 libsysguy I've been working on creating Circulation.t 15:42 tcohen including what was on db_dependent/Holidays.t 15:42 libsysguy sweet 15:42 tcohen i've almost finished my Calendar.t rewrite, using DBD::Mock 15:41 tcohen he 15:41 libsysguy si? 15:41 wahanui libsysguy is, like, Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck or koha's youngest developer 15:41 tcohen libsysguy 15:29 drojf nobody knows about the wiki confirmation email? 14:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8945 normal, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Pushed to Master , Koha 3.10 Help Files Update 14:54 jenkins_koha nengard: Bug 8945: Did you mean help file 14:54 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #966: SUCCESS in 1 hr 9 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/966/ 14:46 koyauni you mean in this version this is a inbuild process 14:35 jcamins It's all automatic. 14:35 jcamins Nope. 14:35 koyauni do I need to set it up 14:32 jcamins It is run automatically every night. 14:32 koyauni do you have any instruction some where so I get this dump thing so I us eit regularly 14:31 jcamins Good. 14:31 koyauni I have now made a file of the instruction and I keep that for next time:) 14:30 jcamins Yes. 14:30 koyauni at least we got latest Koha :) does this has problem with ICU and Zebra for non latin as well ? 14:30 jcamins I am happy to answer questions. It's just when I am asked the same thing three times that I get annoyed. I'm sure you can understand why. 14:29 koyauni sorry, I wish we could hire an admin, but we do not have any, and as someone want to bring new way to education in Uni I have to do it myself the hard way, really sorry to bother you guys, 14:28 jcamins I'm glad to hear that. Write down detailed notes, or save the chat logs, so that you can do this on February 2. 14:28 koyauni the /usr/local/psa/admin/sbin/httpdmng --reconfigure-all did it and now it is working 14:26 jcamins That is unfortunate, but I do not like repeating myself. 14:26 libsysguy gerundio well as safe as possibly destroying passwords in the db 14:25 koyauni you guys get paid via card, and we have no banking system in Iraq yet, all have been vanished with war, so people and bank does not work here 14:25 jcamins However, I can't offer any more help, sorry. 14:25 jcamins Seems probable. 14:25 jcamins You're using Plack. 14:25 jcamins No idea. 14:24 koyauni do I need to run this maybe /usr/local/psa/admin/sbin/httpdmng --reconfigure-all 14:24 koyauni even my main domain is not reachable http://koyauniversity.org/ but library.koyauniversity.org:8080 works 14:24 gerundio so it's safe to preform a blind update on the burrowers table password field, right? 14:23 jcamins koyauni: however, I would like to point out again the benefits of reading the documentation and learning how the software works, if you intend to run Koha without paying anyone for support. 14:23 libsysguy correct 14:23 gerundio he just exists on the koha-conf.xml file, correct? 14:23 gerundio btw, the admin user doesn't have any record in the burrowers table, right? 14:23 libsysguy until it gets updated 14:23 libsysguy for the first time 14:22 gerundio so when a user changed his password he could login with 2 different passwords? 14:22 jcamins koyauni: perhaps you need to run `koha-upgrade-schema library` 14:22 libsysguy my issue was wiht password changes 14:21 koyauni I guess the rebuilding of that config has been lost as well 14:21 gerundio I think I'll just overide the meaningful ones with the stub one too 14:21 koyauni well I had configured that library.koyauniversity.org be my main domain and now it is not accessable 14:21 gerundio since it only gets stored after the 1st update (2nd login) I have a mix set of meaningful and stub password hashes stored in the DB 14:20 koyauni I just disabled any out installation in Plesk 14:19 jcamins koyauni: as a note, this is going to happen again in exactly two months. You should learn to troubleshoot these problems, since you're going to have them every two months until you stop using the server. 14:19 gerundio libsysguy, my thoughts too 14:18 jcamins koyauni: not unless you set up something strangely. 14:17 koyauni but my domain with extended :8080 works, do I have re run any configuration command please 14:17 libsysguy I actually think its a terrible idea to store it 14:17 libsysguy oh, you mean users passwords from LDAP? 14:16 jcamins libsysguy: DB 14:16 jcamins We have 139 bugs at "Needs Signoff" 14:16 libsysguy BD? 14:16 koyauni This installed Koha 3.10.00.000 14:16 wahanui any ideas are welcome :) 14:16 jcamins libsysguy: any ideas? 14:15 * jcamins is grasping. 14:15 jcamins gerundio: maybe if your LDAP connection is iffy? 14:15 gerundio jcamins, btw, any good reason to store the LDAP password in the BD? 14:09 libsysguy heh 13:59 jcamins You should sign off. :) 13:58 jcamins magnuse already said it. 13:58 jcamins Oh. 13:58 jcamins Bug 9165 13:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9165 enhancement, P4, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Allow preventing passwords from being stored locally when using LDAP 13:58 magnuse gerundio: bug 9165 13:58 jcamins gerundio: I can try. 13:58 gerundio can you point me to it? 13:58 gerundio now we're talking jcamins :) 13:57 jcamins gerundio: there's a patch to disable that. 13:56 gerundio even though it's not clear to me why there's need to store the user pass on the DB when we're dealing with LDAP auth 13:56 koyauni so we have many sites, and now all of them are not accessible, since Apache is not reposnding 13:55 gerundio thanks for the reply 13:55 koyauni I have not, this is server hosting pack we bough an dit was on it, 13:54 jcamins This is, of course, a perfect example to why everyone told you not to use Plesk. 13:54 gerundio just saw your answer to my earlier question regarding the LDAP authentication method and a password being cyphered and stored in the DB 13:54 koyauni or it should already be on my system 13:54 jcamins Right. 13:54 koyauni so I just install it, 13:54 jcamins It's part of the Koha package. 13:54 koyauni so I can install that for next time 13:54 gerundio kf, back from lunch 13:53 koyauni and it has created that, I guess I have to reinstalll Koha now, Sorry would you please tell me where I find koha-dump 13:53 jcamins Good, that should be everything you need. 13:52 koyauni I see the back ups in spool and I did created one today by mysqldump -u koha_library -p koha_library > myKohaLibrary.sql 13:51 jcamins ^^ if you look in there you should be able to find the instructions from when we did this last time. 13:50 wahanui hmmm... logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ 13:50 jcamins logs? 13:50 koyauni no last time was exactly the same thing, bloody Plesk did auto update and wipped files so appache had isntuction to buidl them but coud not find them, so I installed Koha again and that solved issue 13:49 jcamins If the backups are there, use those. 13:49 jcamins Look in /var/spool/koha/library. 13:48 jcamins Hey, didn't we go through this exact thing before when you uninstalled Koha by accident? 13:47 jcamins You will have to locate that command. 13:47 koyauni root@koyauniversity ~ # koha-dump library -bash: koha-dump: command not found 13:45 jenkins_koha Starting build #966 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 13:43 jcamins There are also nightly backups stored in that directory if you haven't made any changes since last night. 13:42 jcamins `man koha-dump` may be useful to you. 13:42 jcamins You run `koha-dump library` and copy the files out of /var/spool/koha/library. 13:42 koyauni how do I access this koha dump please 13:41 koyauni this bloody Plesk is soooooooooo damn 13:41 koyauni in Oct 13:41 koyauni Once yes :( 13:38 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_8945' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5c52ab34d01471a6e8f88f22c8c53e2f91863bc2> / Bug 8945: Did you mean help file <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e22d26266844015586c6a8baf420be5a1cfb0234> 13:36 jcamins Hasn't this happened before at least once and possibly twice? 13:35 jcamins Use the koha-dump program. 13:33 koyauni hi guys, my server has stopped working and the Apache web server is not responding, can you please tell me how I backup my library os at least have thatcoverd 13:19 jcamins vfernandes: what does the method need to do exactly? 12:58 kf vfernandes: maybe ask jcamins_away 12:38 vfernandes C4::Members or C4::Circulation? 12:38 vfernandes kf the method I need doesn't seems to exist... where should I create it? 12:35 drojf has the account registration email problem with the wiki never been solved or is it back again? 12:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9206 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, NEW , Only allow place holds in records that the patron don't have in his possession 12:31 vfernandes i need it for bug 9206 12:31 drojf hi kf :) 12:31 drojf hi #koha 12:31 kf hi drojf 12:31 kf when you delete a patron such things are checked, maybe you can trace it from there 12:31 kf but I can't tell you which 12:30 kf I would think yes 12:28 vfernandes kf: here is any perl method in any pm that check if the patron has any item of the record? 12:27 kf gerundio: password fields are encrypted in the database for security reasons 12:27 kf gerundio: of course 12:18 gerundio is this standard behavior? 12:15 gerundio looking at the borrowers table I find that there's and hash value on the password field for my uid 12:15 gerundio I just noticed I'm able to login with my LDAP credentials even after turning LDAP auth off 11:35 vfernandes good morning tcohen 11:35 tcohen__ morning #koha 11:11 vfernandes there is any perl method in any pm that check if the patron has any item of the record? 10:44 gerundio is a user supposed to be able to log in using his card number as his username? 10:44 gerundio can anyone explain to me the LDAP auth workflow after the 1st login? 10:43 gerundio sim, sou o Rolando :) 10:31 vfernandes sim... português? 10:28 gerundio tudo bem? 10:28 gerundio oi vfernandes :) 10:10 vfernandes hi :) 08:47 kf hi #koha 08:26 alex_a and cait :) 08:26 alex_a :) 08:26 alex_a hello clrh !! 08:23 clrh hello Caitttt :) 08:23 clrh hello clrh 08:01 Joubu hello #koha 07:51 alex_a bonjour 07:48 wahanui what's up, reiveune 07:48 reiveune hello 07:24 magnuse yay! :-) 07:23 * cait waves back 07:18 * magnuse waves 05:34 vkm thx i will check 05:31 cait to make it unique for the database, as far as I unerstand 05:30 cait the barcodes in the books can be duplicate, the prefix is by branch 05:30 cait vkm: the prefixes are 'virtual' 05:30 cait yes, look into the bug description 05:29 vkm to accept same barcode/accession number because of different brances 05:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7676 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, In Discussion , Barcode Prefixes 05:29 vkm i thing in multiple libraries case it should be like that 05:29 cait bug 7676 05:28 cait maybe search bugzilla for barcode prefixes 05:28 cait but it's not available in koha right now 05:28 cait i think there was done some development in this direction 05:28 cait oh 05:26 vkm suppose i have many branch exist but at present their accession/barcode is same, so is it possible to manage them in koha without changing barcodes 05:26 cait it also depends, if you are using preprinted barcodes or want koha to generate them 05:25 cait koha should never allow you to add duplicate barcodes 05:25 cait have you looked into the autobarcode settings? 05:25 wahanui barcodes are all in weird places 05:25 vkm barcodes 05:24 vkm yes 05:24 cait vkm: do you imean inventory numbers ($i) or barcodes? 05:24 cait hi clrh :) 05:24 vkm in managing multiple branch is it necessary to keep accession number/series separate to avoid duplicate number 05:23 vkm oh thz i learn russian one word privet 05:22 cait privet is hello in russian - don't mind the bot :) 05:20 vkm privet means 05:19 wahanui privet, vkm 05:19 vkm hi 05:16 cait hi #koha 04:58 vkm hello all, may i know is it necessary to keep accession series separate while managing multiple library 03:56 mtj "I've been in the industry for decades, and every couple of years someone comes out with yet another programming language or technique that is supposed to revolutionize application parallelization. This is just another one, and many years behind the rest of the industry from what I can tell." 03:53 mtj wow, great topic on /. -> http://developers.slashdot.org/story/12/12/03/2312241/auto-threading-compiler-could-restore-moores-law-gains 03:29 mtj jcamins_away, thanks for posting this interesting list -> http://paste.koha-community.org/298 03:28 mtj atm, i cant remember where i put it, even 03:27 mtj hmm, i wonder if libsys found my bootstap repo ok... 02:25 jcamins fmos.defined(0) 02:25 jcamins Right, figured it out. 02:20 jcamins Anyone know how to do that? 02:19 jcamins However, I would like to know that there is at least one member of fmos before I print the label. 02:19 jcamins [% FOREACH fmo IN fmos %] works exactly as you'd expect. 02:19 jcamins I have a variable stored in an array. 02:19 jcamins I have a TT puzzle. 01:54 wahanui OPAC is for patrons 01:54 jcamins OPAC? 01:51 jcamins It irritates me no end, but I'm used to it. 01:51 jcamins eythian: I'm used to the other way around. 01:49 eythian Heh, I had a lot of records that were the reverse of that 01:47 jcamins The records are in UTF-8, but the leader is set to MARC-8 on export. 01:47 jcamins Actually, I take that back. 01:39 jcamins Also, has anyone ever noticed that "export records in utf-8"... doesn't? 01:32 jcamins lol 01:29 wahanui MARC-8 is let's take rule 123, combine it with incompetence, stupidity, and malice, and turn that into something we'll call a 'character set' that really isn't. 01:29 wizzyrea MARC-8? 01:29 wizzyrea MARC-8 is let's take rule 123, combine it with incompetence, stupidity, and malice, and turn that into something we'll call a 'character set' that really isn't. 01:23 rangi yup 01:22 jcamins It's like someone said "I know, let's take rule 123, combine it with incompetence, stupidity, and malice, and turn that into something we'll call a 'character set' that really isn't." 01:19 jcamins My god I hate MARC-8. 00:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7001 enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , User Configurable Slips 00:41 wizzyrea ask srdjan about how much he loves bug 7001 ;) 00:32 eythian wizzyrea: I think you're exactly right with that notices thing. 00:26 wizzyrea :D 00:26 wizzyrea \o/ 00:26 eythian I shall have a look. 00:26 eythian hmm yes 00:26 wizzyrea if you can't get a proper address now, the right place to add that is probably notices 00:25 wizzyrea 3.8 00:25 eythian oh, when do/did they come about? 00:25 wizzyrea eythian: don't the customizable slips - can't you add that there 00:23 eythian I might make the patch anyway, see if anyone complains and if they do, deal with it then. 00:22 eythian It just seems too small to make a syspref for 00:22 eythian do you think anyone would object to a patch making quick slips include the address? This is actually already implemented, it's just when you select quick slip, it takes you to the slightly less detailed one. 00:18 jcamins Someone from Luxembourg, of all places, is spidering one of my clients' entire catalogs. 00:17 libsysguy we're good now 00:17 libsysguy i found mtj's git repo 00:17 libsysguy lol 00:06 eythian http://www.thebestdamnpoll.com/Portals/4/images/ForumImages/roflmao.gif 00:05 libsysguy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boh92DrYEWs 00:04 libsysguy LOL 00:03 eythian http://youtu.be/v1PBptSDIh8 <-- so more like this? 00:03 wahanui hmmm... logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ 00:03 libsysguy logs? 00:02 libsysguy not like trolololol 00:02 libsysguy oh no, trolling like a motor 00:02 eythian "kohaaloha is bad and mtj should feel bad!" -- that sort of trolling? 00:00 libsysguy but can't seem to find it 00:00 libsysguy I'm trolling koha aloha 00:00 bag heh