Time Nick Message
23:44 rangi good old perlmonks
23:43 wahanui eythian: no idea
23:43 eythian wahanui: XY problem is <reply>You're trying to do X, and you thought of solution Y. So you're asking about solution Y, without even mentioning X. The problem is, there might be a better solution, but we can't know that unless you describe what X is. see also: http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=542341
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23:27 cjh jcamins: thanks.
23:26 cjh s/subsereis/subseries/
23:26 cjh jcamins: I was talking about all the spacing, sorry for my poor explanation.
23:25 cjh awesome, looking at concise aarc2 now I *think* it says " ; " for separating and ". " for ending (before subsereis)
23:25 jcamins I thought you were talking about the semicolons.
23:25 jcamins Missed that.
23:25 jcamins Oh, no.
23:24 cjh jcamins: should there be a leading space before the final fullstop?
23:24 jcamins Well, "correct."
23:24 jcamins The spacing is correct.
23:24 rangi ibeardslee: good idea
23:23 cjh haha I snuck in htere.
23:23 cjh jcamins: ^^ sorry
23:23 jcamins I thought ibeardslee said that entire block.
23:23 ibeardslee a couple of parking buildings at the major bus hubs for those that need to get a vehicle closer into town
23:23 wahanui i already had it that way, cjh.
23:23 cjh jcaims: on a marc record field 440a (series) is repeatable, if I have many they come out of the xslt as "first ; second ; third ." I am wondering about the spacing around the punctuation, does anyone have an idea about this?
23:23 jcamins Oh, there it is.
23:23 jcamins What was the question?
23:23 jcamins cjh: I did not, no.
23:23 rangi man=may
23:23 rangi he man not be around cjh
23:23 cjh jcamins: did you see my question above regarding spacing on display of 440a? this also affects 490 display
23:22 rangi that would be an acceptable trade off
23:22 rangi *nod*
23:22 ibeardslee I'd go with the overpass if they did that
23:21 rangi those dudes break every road rule there is
23:21 rangi and fine the crap out of the couriers
23:21 jcamins cjh: yeah, it's been replaced by 490/830 combinations.
23:21 rangi speed limit of 30 the whole way
23:21 rangi true
23:21 ibeardslee would also need taxis and couriers
23:21 cjh jcamins: it was mentioned that you might know about the display of marc 440a
23:20 rangi yeah, you could do bus and bike only, from railway station to the embassy
23:20 cjh on a marc record field 440a (series) is repeatable, if I have many they come out of the xslt as "first ; second ; third ." I am wondering about the spacing around the punctuation, does anyone have an idea about this?
23:20 ibeardslee rangi: I'd be with you for cutting traffic in Courtnay Place .. in fact I'd go so far as to say, a sizeable chunk of the CBD to private transport
23:18 Brooke "tobacco"
23:18 wizzyrea rangi wins :)
23:18 wizzyrea hehehe
23:18 eythian heh
23:18 rangi see, i just proved it
23:18 wizzyrea ah yea longbottom leaf
23:18 rangi and tobacco
23:18 wizzyrea I guess they also like ale and pubs.
23:18 wizzyrea hm, I thought hobbits *liked* home and hearth.
23:17 rangi thats because eythian is a hobbit
23:17 wizzyrea it's true.
23:17 eythian I walk up behind wizzyrea's house all the time
23:17 wizzyrea that would be awesome.
23:17 wizzyrea oh man, me too.
23:17 rangi i could get behind that
23:16 rangi and if they shut courtenay place to cars all the time
23:16 * Brooke is full of sexual harassment angst now.
23:16 wizzyrea hehe there have been some folks up there.
23:16 Brooke as long as you're welcome walking behind wizzyrea's house ;)
23:16 rangi :)
23:16 rangi and walking up behind your house
23:16 wizzyrea true enough
23:15 rangi spending up in wellington businesses
23:15 rangi i bet there are hundreds of german tourists who have been here for a week or 2 already
23:15 wizzyrea hm suppose that's true
23:14 rangi than the stupid flyover over the basin and other mad schemes they waste it on
23:14 rangi id rather they spend it on this
23:14 rangi yep
23:14 eythian and tourists
23:13 wizzyrea taxes I suppose
23:13 rangi they'll get that back in a night
23:13 wizzyrea seems mad.
23:13 wizzyrea 1.5 million the wellington council put into the premiere?
23:13 jcamins That's some pretty serious makeup.
23:13 jcamins rangi: wow.
23:12 Brooke o/
23:12 rangi dunno if ppl can see that
23:12 rangi https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=11022918&l=3268cd4c9d&id=78709352302
23:12 eythian if that suits your case.
23:12 eythian the "if" example at the bottom may be the best route though
23:11 jcamins Thanks.
23:11 jcamins Ah-ha!
23:11 pastebot "eythian" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "hopefully relevant bit of the docs" (13 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/284
23:10 eythian the docs for that even use my very example, amusingly
23:10 eythian you want a look-around assertion
23:09 jcamins Right.
23:09 eythian and abcdefbar
23:09 eythian so don't match "foobar" but do match "abcbar" and "xyzbar"?
23:09 jcamins How do I do that?
23:08 jcamins I always get confused by this.
23:08 jcamins I need a regular expression that says "not this string at the beginning of the string, but this other one somewhere in the middle."
22:32 jatara one has to start somewhere :)
22:32 jatara oh well
22:31 drojf the biblibre demo is in fact 3.4
22:30 drojf yeah i just saw that :) the numbers are off
22:30 jatara drojf...thanks for the heads up...my org is upgrading to 3.8.5 but just needed to see the differences between 3.6 and 3.8 for myself
22:29 jatara That's not a 3.8.0 demo..that's a 3.11 demo..seems bywater updated the software but not the wiki
22:27 drojf jatara: i meant that the only 3.8.x demo i see there is 3.8.0 which had some problems
22:26 jatara <--- Koha newbie
22:26 jatara Yeah, but one needs to start somewhere.
22:25 drojf 3.8.0 might not be the most fortunate pick of the 3.8 series ;)
22:25 francharb see ya
22:25 jatara Found it! Thanks so much for your help!
22:24 jcamins ^^ that might help
22:24 wahanui i heard demo was at http://koha-community.org/demo/ or http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Demo_Databases
22:24 jcamins demo?
22:24 drojf jatara: there should be links on http://koha-community.org
22:24 jcamins demos?
22:23 jatara Wondering if anyone knows of a publicly accessible demo of koha 3.8.X?
22:23 jatara Hi, all
22:23 eythian later
22:23 drojf good night magnuse
22:22 magnuse enough sillyness - have a good night or other time of the day #koha!
22:22 magnuse nooooo!
22:21 eythian to trolls?
22:20 * magnuse would feed gandalf
22:20 drojf don't feed the trollmann
22:20 magnuse eythian: yeah, guess it is
22:19 magnuse drojf: yes, of course :-)
22:19 eythian how confusing.
22:19 magnuse trollmann = wizard
22:18 drojf and by newspaper, you mean "newspaper" ;)
22:17 eythian Does "trollmann" mean something other than "troll man", because if not it doesn't make sense.
22:16 magnuse http://www.vg.no/bildespesial/spesial.php?id=9540 <-- largest online newspaper in norway
22:16 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot something
22:16 wizzyrea forget something
22:16 wahanui it has been said that something is up with the koha-devel one maybe
22:16 wizzyrea or something.
22:16 wizzyrea "movie stars"
22:16 trea yea apparently so. i haven't ventured outside yet
22:15 eythian at least, the not-central bits of town
22:15 eythian yeah, town is currently full of many cars and bad drivers.
22:14 wizzyrea yep hobbit-day
22:13 * cait waves
22:13 * cjh should probably find out what is happening
22:13 magnuse ooh, big hobbit-day in wellington now?!?
22:11 magnuse hiya trea
22:11 trea kia ora magnuse eythian
22:10 magnuse kia ora eythian
22:09 eythian hi
22:07 gaetan_B bye !
21:54 jcamins \o/
21:54 cait if you rip it out you don't have to document it I guess
21:54 cait well
21:53 jcamins But the entire point is that I am eliminating our dependence on Zebra's CCL interpretation.
21:53 cait because documenting is part of the amazing fun you get to have when being an amazing developer? :)
21:53 cait lol
21:53 cait hm?
21:53 jcamins It hasn't been documented in the past. Why should it be now?
21:52 jcamins cait: awww.
21:52 cait as long as it#s a documented fun fact?
21:52 cait oh
21:52 jcamins Also, fun fact: I don't think there is any way to make negation work with CCL.
21:52 jcamins Woohoo! I got negation working.
21:35 gaetan_B it's easy actually
21:35 gaetan_B yeah, i managed to make my analytics work :)
21:31 cait busy oleonard :)
21:30 cait yep
21:30 cait checking
21:30 rangi that work for people?
21:30 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/reports.cgi?product=-All-&datasets=NEW&datasets=ASSIGNED&datasets=RESOLVED&datasets=CLOSED
21:24 trea huzzah
21:24 rangi yay viktor
21:23 rangi http://biblioteksbladet.se/2012/11/26/hylte-satsar-och-sparar-pa-koha
21:23 rangi oh this is cool too
21:20 wizzyrea i like the guy pushing the giant barrel
21:20 rangi the image should refresh tho
21:19 jcamins Doesn't work for me either.
21:19 rangi cya oleonard
21:19 oleonard Time to go. See you later #koha
21:19 jcamins Oh, wait, it's the stream that doesn't work.
21:19 * wizzyrea shrugs
21:19 trea boo i say!
21:19 rangi but wizzyrea will be able to
21:18 rangi so trea and I cant see the stream either
21:18 jcamins Worked for me.
21:18 wizzyrea welp now I don't have to go to the parade.
21:18 rangi telstraclear are tardmonkeys and don't peer
21:18 rangi thats the wellington internet exchange
21:18 trea ^^
21:18 rangi yeah
21:18 rambutan or because I don't peer at WIX?
21:17 rambutan I can get to the basepage, but not the stream. (Because I'm on Linux?)
21:16 rangi http://www.citylink.co.nz/citylink-experience/webcams/courtenay-place probably doesnt work for most of you?
21:16 rambutan We are getting 1-3 3D printers, and I still see a need to database the designs (ILS-like) for 3D printing. To my knowledge there isn't a good database available where you can lookup items based on standard criteria.
21:13 rangi nice
21:13 rambutan http://www.h-online.com/open/features/Five-open-source-hardware-projects-that-could-change-the-world-1428043.html?page=3
21:13 rambutan Imma gonna buy one of these for our new tech center:
21:05 maximep ok
20:51 cait maximep: I think it would be a real good feature to have.
20:51 cait :)
20:51 oleonard maximep: 7498 doesn't matter if you're able to submit something new. Just create a new bug
20:50 maximep oleonard: I will try to find some time to send the patch. The problem is that it was done for 3.8.5 and it includes more features than what was asked in 7498
20:47 cait hey jcamins
20:46 jcamins Wow, nice quote!
20:44 cait :)
20:43 wizzyrea hehehehe
20:43 rangi http://instagram.com/p/SiwsJ5sf22/ <-- ive fallen and i cant get up
20:43 wizzyrea nice is perhaps not as enthusiastic of a word as I meant
20:43 wizzyrea ah that's nice
20:42 cait reading now
20:42 cait :)
20:42 bag_afk :)
20:42 bag_afk heh
20:41 rangi too slow tweetbot
20:41 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Samuel Merritt University Goes Live on Koha with ByWater Solutions http://t.co/oAxSqpLz #kohails"
20:41 rangi it'll be on libwebcats soon im sure
20:41 rangi http://bywatersolutions.com/2012/11/27/samuel-merritt-university-goes-live-on-koha-with-bywater-solutions/
20:40 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot link
20:40 wizzyrea forget link
20:40 wahanui hmmm... link is right, but the website is gone, apparently
20:40 wizzyrea oh link?
20:40 rangi you dont get thta from libraries often unfortunately
20:40 rangi and actually spoke honestly
20:39 rangi samuel merrit escaped
20:39 oleonard rangi: ?
20:36 rangi oh rock on!
20:27 oleonard :)
20:27 maximep but if I wrote the commit in english, it's because it was meant to be sent
20:27 maximep no trace of ever sending it to you...
20:27 maximep looking at my bug list
20:25 oleonard maximep: Is there a patch pending somewhere, on a different bug? I didn't look for it in another bug report.
20:24 maximep is that what you're looking for ? =)
20:24 maximep * Update Budgets.t with the right field names, test the data more and tests the duplication code. Sadly I didn't write tests for the order transfers because it just depends on too much stuff :/
20:24 maximep I just don't understand it and it had a typo in the table name ('aqcudgets'), so I figured it was useless code
20:24 maximep * Transfer the duplication code in Budgets.pm to allow easier testing. In doing this I removed the code block " # deal with any children" because
20:24 maximep * Add option to transfer the not received orders in the budget copy
20:24 maximep * Allow to enter a new name for the duplicate
20:24 maximep
20:24 maximep Add new features and tests to the budget duplication :
20:23 maximep because I did it for the ccsr. Looking at my redmine logs
20:22 maximep hmmm didn't I send a new patch
20:21 * maximep reads
20:21 maximep -_-
20:21 maximep well, looks like I forgot that I said I was here
20:03 trea o/
20:03 * cait seconds oleonard's question
20:02 * cait waves :)
19:57 * wizzyrea waves
19:56 oleonard Is there any chance you might follow up with the feature allowing for transfer of orders?
19:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6943 enhancement, P3, ---, chrish, Pushed to Master , Create new budget from a copy of a previous budget
19:56 oleonard I was looking at Bug 6943 to see if it could be marked as fixed and noticed you had proposed an alternate patch which included more functionality
19:55 maximep oleonard I am
19:55 maximep yes
19:51 oleonard maximep around?
19:48 rangi http://search.cpan.org/dist/DBI/DBI.pm#table_info
19:47 * oleonard would like to be able to use some kind of autocomplete for system prefs in which we specify table columns
19:47 rangi use DBI
19:47 rangi and/or
19:47 rangi then describe each one
19:47 rangi show tables
19:47 oleonard I was pondering how one might pull a list of table columns for use in the Koha interface
19:45 oleonard Okay, thanks, that makes sense.
19:44 rangi then run shemaspy against it
19:44 rangi then i load up a db with it
19:44 rangi to mysql comments
19:44 rangi i have a script that converts the comments in the kohastruture.sql
19:43 rangi only tangentially
19:43 rangi i generate it, now 3.10 is released ill regen it
19:43 oleonard Is there a direct connection between it and something in git?
19:42 oleonard rangi: How is the information at http://schema.koha-community.org generated?
19:42 oleonard Heh, I'd happily take rangi's toddler for a while
19:42 jcamins oleonard was hoping you'd take his toddler too. :P
19:41 rangi kinda, got a toddler on me, whats up?
19:41 oleonard rangi up yet?
18:17 nengard cait yes it's in the manual
18:16 gaetan_B yes i switched it on and tried to use it as i do with unimarc but it didn't work out
18:16 cait if you are not in a union catalog that is a nice thing
18:15 cait the other thing is a syspref and I think nengard documented it - EasyAnalytics
18:15 cait what we do is use 773 with $w = 001 of the parent record
18:15 gaetan_B ok i should be able to find it then
18:15 cait gaetan_B: I thint it's linked from the wiki page
18:15 gaetan_B thanks wahanui :)
18:15 wahanui the video is probably on
18:15 gaetan_B where is the video ?
18:14 gaetan_B cait: ok i probably need to get a good look at this then
18:14 cait and a feature that is a bit tied to items but can do nice things
18:14 cait there is a way to do it completely without items (which is what we do because of the union catalog)
18:14 gaetan_B also when looking up on the title, the result list was showing some isbn, but when querying for those isbn that had obviously arrived through z39.50 , i had no answer, would that also depend on the server ?
18:14 cait and then... you can dig in deeper
18:14 cait I propose watching jared's video from kohacon in edinburgh for a start :)
18:13 cait gaetan_B: there are different answers to that :) analytics I mean
18:13 gaetan_B yes i tried a lot of combinations
18:13 cait did you try without hyphens?
18:13 gaetan_B do analytics work with marc21 and if yes how ?
18:13 cait ah
18:13 jcamins Also, a lot of MARC21 servers just don't provide ISBN.
18:13 cait I have a library reporting that it does not work with a special soruce, and have never figured out why - i hope 8550 fixes it
18:13 gaetan_B i have another marc21 question
18:13 gaetan_B also
18:13 gaetan_B ok i'll try it out :)
18:13 cait yeah it could be that
18:12 cait m
18:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8550 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , Z39.50 searches for ISBN/ISSN problematic
18:12 gaetan_B bug 8550 ?
18:12 gaetan_B cait: i'm trying to query some marc21 z39.50 servers on the isbn and not getting any answer, any idea what it would be ?
18:11 gaetan_B :)
18:11 cait :)
18:11 cait hi gaetan_B
18:07 gaetan_B hello
17:34 jcamins Not to my recollection, though it's possible I forgot.
17:33 tcohen ok, did anyone receive my email regarding db-dependent tests and data set?
17:31 jcamins No, I'm all for them!
17:31 tcohen should I close and abandon that one?
17:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9074 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , DB dependent tests for is_holiday
17:31 tcohen jcamins, what do u think of db-dependent tests like those in bug 9074
17:12 vfernandes koha translate is damn slow....
17:12 vfernandes tomorrow it's another day to see the problem :D
17:10 drojf i tried on master though
17:10 drojf it worked for me after i had that rule
17:10 vfernandes max reserves also set to 6
17:09 vfernandes 6
17:09 drojf vfernandes: how many holds does the default circ rule allow?
17:09 oleonard Hi jatara
17:08 jatara Hello.
17:07 vfernandes ok thanks anyway
17:06 jcamins Not sure what the problem is.
17:06 jcamins Hm.
17:04 vfernandes 0 holds
17:04 jcamins And just to confirm, the patron doesn't have too many holds, right?
17:02 vfernandes default circ rule added... still says that the patron has too many holds
16:59 jcamins I'm pretty sure that's in the FAQ.
16:59 jcamins For DEFAULT-DEFAULT-DEFAULT
16:59 wahanui jcamins: I forgot default one
16:59 jcamins forget the default one
16:59 wahanui i heard the default one was the only one checked when you don't specify one of the sources.list
16:59 jcamins The default one.
16:58 vfernandes :P
16:58 vfernandes which one? lol
16:54 jcamins ^^ sounds like you might be missing a default rule.
16:54 wahanui i guess faq is found at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/
16:54 jcamins faq?
16:54 vfernandes it says that the patron have too many holds and there is no items available
16:50 vfernandes something is not working :/
16:37 vfernandes but it still don't allow
16:33 vfernandes ok... holds policy rules are broken after upgrading
16:31 drojf you may be missing a default rule for your patrons. i tried it and had the same problems. works ok after i made a rule for everybody allowing 10 holds
16:30 vfernandes now no :/
16:30 vfernandes after upgrading to 3.8 yes
16:28 drojf is the patron allowed to put holds at all?
16:28 jcamins But you can when some are available?
16:27 vfernandes this is strange... with all items checkout I can't put on hold
16:27 jcamins There was one more syspref needed for the staff client.
16:27 jcamins Okay.
16:27 vfernandes OPAC
16:26 jcamins Are you testing in the OPAC or staff client?
16:25 vfernandes I was testing with database user...
16:25 vfernandes wait...
16:25 jcamins So that's just a regression fix, not an enhancement.
16:24 jcamins vfernandes: okay, you should report a bug for that, because it wasn't possible to place a hold in 3.6.something.
16:24 vfernandes OPACItemHolds and AllowOnShelfHolds off... 1 record with 2 items (1 checkout and 1 available)... I still can put on hold
16:23 * druthb dances happily.
16:21 vfernandes I know jcamins... I'll test it right now
16:21 vfernandes I said 3.2.X because it was when I solve it
16:21 jcamins Right- you can't assume that any problems you encounter in 3.2 exist in modern versions of Koha.
16:20 drojf please don't test things in 3.2 :)
16:19 vfernandes in 3.2.X doesn't work, I'll try in my 3.8.7 test installation
16:19 jcamins I can't test it right now.
16:19 drojf vfernandes: did you try it?
16:19 jcamins If it does not presently work, that's a bug.
16:19 jcamins I am sure that's how it used to work, yes.
16:18 vfernandes are you sure that I can block the holds until all record items being checkout using those syspref?
16:16 jcamins So there must be more to what you want.
16:16 jcamins The functionality you described is identical to functionality I have already been using.
16:16 jcamins vfernandes: in that case provide a *very* detailed description of what you want, because from what you have told me so far, I would not accept a patch adding your new syspref to Koha.
16:15 vfernandes I have a fix but doesn't use any of these preferences... I think we are still talking about different things... The client request could not be solved with those preferences :/
16:13 jcamins If you have a fix for it, that's even better.
16:13 jcamins vfernandes: right, file a bug with a very detailed description of how to reproduce it.
16:13 jcamins drojf: if it's quick, of course, I'd just as soon you add the GRS-1 definitions, 'cause, why not?
16:12 drojf ok, thanks
16:12 jcamins drojf: if you are adding functionality, it would be better to add the indexes to GRS-1, but if you're just adding new optional indexes, I will not require it.
16:12 vfernandes OPACItemHolds is off, so what happens is fine because there is items available
16:11 jcamins vfernandes: if you have OPACItemHolds disabled as well, that's a bug.
16:11 vfernandes AllowOnShelfHolds if off, so what happens is fine because 1 item is checkout so I can put a hold
16:10 jcamins You should report the bug along with detailed instructions for how to recreate the problem.
16:10 drojf jcamins: but is doing only DOM acceptable in case i would want to put it on bz?
16:09 jcamins vfernandes: that means there's a bug in one of the preferences.
16:09 drojf good to know :)
16:09 vfernandes I've the two preferences turned off I doesn't work... for example if there are 3 items in on record, and 1 is checkout I can put a hold
16:09 jcamins *Never* regenerate the DOM files from GRS-1.
16:09 jcamins drojf: GRS-1 and DOM separately, or just DOM.
16:08 drojf what is the way of doing zebra changes nowadays? do it in grs-1 and generate dom files? do it in grs-1 and dom seperately? ignore grs-1?
16:07 jcamins And by "almost positive," I mean based on your description you will get exactly what you want.
16:07 reiveune bye
16:07 drojf i concur
16:06 jcamins vfernandes: I am almost positive that if you disable both OPACItemHolds and AllowOnShelfHolds you'll get the result you want.
16:05 drojf you might want to check different combinations of the two sysprefs
16:05 vfernandes this prevent the patrons to put on hold some item when there are items available
16:05 drojf OPACItemHolds
16:04 vfernandes the modification that I done only allows to put on hold one item when every item is checkout
16:04 drojf so you might need to change that
16:04 drojf vfernandes: i think there is something else for "reserve specific item" vs "reserve next available item" too
16:04 vfernandes AllowOnshelfHolds allow you to put on hold one item even if the others are available
16:03 jcamins I don't see any distinction.
16:03 vfernandes it's different...
16:02 vfernandes the request is that all of them needs to be checkout
16:02 vfernandes AllowOnshelfHolds - hold requests to be placed on items that are not checked out.
16:02 jcamins If it's disabled, you can't place a hold on books that are available.
16:01 jcamins vfernandes: yes, that's what AllowOnshelfHolds does.
16:01 vfernandes I don't think so... the idea it's to block holds until every items are checkout, then it allows to hold
15:59 jcamins AllowOnshelfHolds or something like that.
15:59 jcamins drojf: yes.
15:59 jcamins Sorry.
15:58 drojf i think there is a syspref for that
15:58 jcamins vfernandes: yes.
15:58 drojf "only let reserve if all available items are checkout" <- isn't that in koha?
15:55 vfernandes it was one request of one client... i've done the modification on 3.2.X... I will try to submit anothers changes to the master like: only let reserve if all available items are checkout, don't allow to reserve books in the possession of the patron, remove some note fields from the "title notes" tab, etc...
15:52 kf vfernandes: I think of it more than a new feature - it's something that I have not heard about before even - although I like the idea
15:50 vfernandes there is circulation notices, but not renewal notice... I think it's not a new feature but a enhancement
15:48 paul_p vfernandes = is it an enhancement or a new feature ? (ie: have you seen that, now, you've 2 options)
15:47 kf vfernandes: the release maintainers decide about that, but it is a new feature - if you are strict
15:47 jcamins It's rangi's decision whether he'll backport enhancements.
15:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9151 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Needs Signoff , Renewal notice according to patron alert preferences
15:47 vfernandes bug 9151 I put it as enhancement but I think it would be nice to push it to 3.10
15:46 jcamins kf: no, you're correct. :)
15:46 kf jcamins: correct me if I am talking nonsense ;)
15:45 kf hm new features
15:45 kf 3.10 is released now, so we are in maintenance for it, new patches go into master for 3.12
15:45 kf bug fixes yes
15:45 kf not enh
15:45 vfernandes the patches submit to master aren't pushed for koha 3.10?
15:44 kf vfernandes: that should be possible :) we got almost 6 months now .)
15:43 vfernandes and pushed to the next release
15:43 kf vfernandes: sometimes it can help to test other peoples patches and talk to them, asking nicely if they would take a look
15:43 vfernandes it would be nice at least one of my patch to be accepted :P
15:43 kf vfernandes: for qa team I am trying to give bugs a higher priority than enhancements, but trying to mix it a bit
15:42 kf vfernandes: there is no time I can tell you - it depends on the testers and what they pick up
15:42 druthb SJeffery: yeah. In Koha, if you *don't* specify something, then it really wouldn't care, and would list the records more-or-less arbitrarily, all else being equal.
15:41 jcamins But the search code is worse than most.
15:41 jcamins True.
15:41 jcamins SJeffery: lol
15:41 SJeffery jcamins: That describes every large programming project...ever
15:41 druthb okay.. looks like maybe apache isn't managing resources well. I can work with that.
15:41 jcamins vfernandes: it varies.
15:41 SJeffery druthb: I was thinking more along the lines of how Worldcat does their ranking. They seem to consistently rank different item types higher (books, av, and journals are higher than analytics).
15:41 jcamins It's kind of hard to be sure, since the code is mostly incomprehensible.
15:40 kf druthb: works nicely for me now
15:40 vfernandes how many time takes one patch to be tested and push?
15:40 jcamins SJeffery: we're putting the request for relevance sorting in the wrong place in the query, so far as I can tell.
15:40 kf vfernandes++ :)
15:39 * druthb must experiment with that.
15:39 druthb SJeffery: you know, that's interesting. It seems to me that if someone entered the item type code (since it's stored in the 952) then that'd get points, maybe, unless someone somewhere told it not to.
15:39 SJeffery jcamins: How so?
15:37 druthb check now?
15:37 druthb kf: There are a number of kind-of-grunty apache processes dangling out there. lemme restart apache, see if it helps.
15:36 jcamins Actually, I just learned that we've been using relevance searching wrong all along anyway.
15:36 SJeffery druthb - Nice writeup. I like to also think about what does *not* influence relevance (ex: afaik item type is not used).
15:35 kf maybe something in the background eating up memory? (I am no sysadmin and it shows...)
15:35 kf I mean.. there are not so many translators
15:34 kf hm but shouldn't be that many at the same time?
15:33 druthb Same box--it just seems to be once we got real translators working more, things have bogged down some.
15:32 kf druthb: maybe that's good to know
15:32 kf druthb: it used to be really fast when I tested it the first time you showed me
15:32 paul_p druthb thx !!!
15:32 druthb paul_p: you're not the first to spot that. (Since I don't translate, it's not something I can see well.) I'll be adding more memory to that box this weekend, and look into other things I can do, as well.
15:30 paul_p druthb = hello. Is it me or translate.koha-community.org is much slower than it used to be ?
15:29 * druthb hides
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15:23 vfernandes kf done :)
15:23 * magnuse joins in with jcamins
15:21 * jcamins hums the "I hate bib-1" song.
15:08 kf vfernandes: thank you :)
15:07 druthb fredericd: ping?
15:07 vfernandes ok... I will add to all of them
15:07 kf vfernandes: but you don't have to translate them - if it's all in english that should be fine
15:07 jcamins magnuse: sounds good, thanks.
15:06 magnuse jcamins: i can file a bug for it, as a start
15:06 kf vfernandes: for example I ran into some weird problems with missing circ slips in a gemran installation recently
15:06 kf vfernandes: what I was trying to say is, that it would be good if you amended all of them
15:06 vfernandes ok kf... I will add to sample_notices.sql for "en" the renewal notice. That's fine?
15:05 jcamins magnuse: hm, someone should fix that.
15:04 kf vfernandes: that's my opinion at least - easier to find something is english, than finding out why renewal notices work for everyone else but not you
15:04 magnuse jcamins: there's a problem with it - it says to copy perlcriticrc to ~/ but that does not get picked up. ~/.perlcriticrc with the dot on the other hand does get picked up
15:04 kf vfernandes: I think an english sample will still be helpful - because people get the notice code to use and can edit the text
15:04 druthb :P
15:04 huginn druthb: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma.
15:04 druthb druthb--
15:03 vfernandes kf but only for "en" or for every languages?
15:03 kf druthb++/fredericd++
15:03 jcamins Yes.
15:02 magnuse this is the official repo for the qa tools now, right? http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=qa-test-tools.git;a=summary
15:02 kf magnuse: reno!
15:01 kf vfernandes: sorry, no time to look up the complete paths for you
15:01 kf vfernandes: and also - look in installer/... mysql/data something, there are different folders for different translated installers - and there should be a notices.sql file in each or similar named
15:01 jcamins kf: the question is where the notice templates go for translation. :)
15:01 * magnuse would rather go to kohacon in reno :-)
15:01 * druthb would rather go to YAPC::NA in Austin in June. :)
15:01 kf vfernandes: either is fine - but because your patch has not been tested yet, maybe you could sqash them into one (your commits)
15:00 * druthb would love to go to code4lib, but doesn't see it happening.
15:00 kf oleonard++ :)
15:00 druthb hi, sekjal. :)
14:59 magnuse oleonard++ for closing bugs
14:58 sekjal hi, druthb
14:57 kf lol
14:56 druthb Clearly, you mistake me for someone that knows what is going on.
14:56 jcamins druthb: I'm delegating!
14:56 jcamins Ooh, druthb is around too.
14:56 jcamins kf: answer translation questions.
14:55 kf jcamins: you make me do what?
14:55 magnuse gah s/marc/march/
14:55 magnuse but hey, marseille in marc aint too bad either!
14:55 * magnuse would love to go to code4lib...
14:55 jcamins I'll be in CA, so not this year.
14:54 sekjal howdy, magnuse
14:54 sekjal only to go between the hotel and the bars
14:54 magnuse kia ora sekjal!
14:54 jcamins lol
14:54 oleonard Chicago in February? Geeks don't like to go outside anyway right?
14:53 sekjal for those of you who are interested in Chicago in February, Code4Lib registration opens in about 2 hours. it always sells out within the day
14:52 jcamins vfernandes: I don't know the best way, that's why I always make kf answer questions like that.
14:51 jcamins vfernandes: of course.
14:51 vfernandes i'm still learning the Koha development and git workflow, so it's natural to have so many questions
14:50 sekjal hi, jcamins
14:50 jcamins Greetings!
14:50 jcamins sekjal!
14:50 drojf small world ;)
14:49 vfernandes ohhh Katrin is kf :)
14:49 * jcamins always likes to make kf answer that sort of question.
14:49 jcamins kf? :)
14:49 jcamins Okay.
14:49 jcamins (I don't recall the comment, so that's an actual question)
14:49 vfernandes yes Katrin sorry... yesterday I added a system preference in another bug but I haven't added any translation
14:48 jcamins Katrin?
14:48 vfernandes which is the best way to do that?
14:48 vfernandes ok thanks... another question: kristan on the bug said to add the notice template to the translations
14:48 jcamins vfernandes: there are dozens of patches on some bugs.
14:47 drojf vfernandes: sure
14:47 vfernandes can I have two patch for one bug, where the second it a complement of the first?
14:46 jcamins You don't need permission.
14:46 jcamins vfernandes: sure, go ahead and attach your follow-up to the bug.
14:46 jcamins lol
14:45 drojf jcamins: i heard css would probably be easier :)
14:45 wahanui somebody said CSS was probably easier
14:45 jcamins drojf: CSS?
14:45 drojf jcamins: where would i do that?
14:45 vfernandes anyone can help me?
14:45 francharb hi
14:45 oleonard If I put in a full URL to an external XSLT stylesheet into the XSLTDetailsDisplay preference I get this error: I/O warning : failed to load external entity "MARC21slimUtils.xsl" I tried copying MARC21slimUtils.xsl to the same location but it still fails
14:44 jcamins you'll need to disable the language limiter, I think.
14:44 jcamins Ah...
14:43 drojf jcamins: we did not make them up. but we use iso639-3 because marc and the related iso639-2 is not enough to specify the languages we provide learning material for
14:42 jcamins drojf: should I ask why you felt the need to make up your own language codes?
14:42 jcamins drojf: yes, it does.
14:42 drojf jcamins: ok, that would be a reason. but as i understand 008 expects marc language codes which we do not use
14:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9151 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, ASSIGNED , Renewal notice according to patron alert preferences
14:41 vfernandes git question: i've submit a patch to the bug 9151, but now I need to submit a patch update. I've done the code modifications and now I can submit?
14:37 jcamins Because 008 is the canonical place for language.
14:37 jcamins drojf: yes.
14:37 drojf i take this as a 'no' ;)
14:34 drojf is there a reason to encode language in 008/35-37 when we do it in 041 anyway? or can i safely assume using ### there is alright? from a zebra point of view i don't see a problem, any librarian reasons maybe?
14:34 magnuse oleonard: that would definitely be nice, yes
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14:17 kf ah
14:16 oleonard For system preferences which require the user to enter mysql table column names, it would be nice if there was an autocomplete for the names
14:16 kf oleonard: not sure what you mean :)
14:16 kf huh?
14:15 oleonard It would be great if preferences like BorrowerUnwantedField could use AJAX to load borrower columns for autocomplete
14:14 kf maybe, we will have to ask him I think
14:14 oleonard Hm, so he probably runs the program against an updated copy of a Koha database
14:13 kf oleonard: I think there is a program that does it - somene said rangi could update it
14:13 oleonard How is the information at http://schema.koha-community.org generated?
14:03 samuel i've a bug but with languages....."symbolic links are note supported at the moment"
14:00 drojf haven't picked a date in a while ;)
13:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9152 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Datepicker doesn't load localized strings
13:59 * oleonard would have expected a non-English speaker to have discovered Bug 9152 :P
13:42 jcamins It's very cool.
13:42 tcohen i'll check it out
13:42 tcohen gerrit
13:34 jcamins gerrit.
13:34 jcamins It's called...
13:34 jcamins the program that Mahara uses.
13:33 jcamins They should look at...
13:33 tcohen i was approached by a couple of students that are doing some research on git and buzilla for their engeneering degree
13:31 jcamins We have git-bz which simplifies the process, but there's no integration.
13:31 jcamins If I understand your question, that is correct.
13:30 tcohen heh, os the answer is no
13:30 jcamins ;)
13:30 jcamins tcohen: yes, the RM downloads patches off of bugzilla.
13:29 tcohen do we have some kkind of integration between bz and our git repo?
13:27 drojf hi oleonard
13:27 oleonard Hi #koha
13:13 samuel i 've installed latest koha and i think i've forgotten something. When i do an update of po files, i 've this "Symbolic links are not supported at the moment", seems something i've missed when i've installed debian packages
13:13 kf hi samuel
13:12 kf drojf: patt?
13:11 samuel hi everybody
13:11 drojf no you are ignoring me :P
13:02 kf because you did ignore me :)
13:01 drojf kf: how do you come to that idea?
13:00 drojf kf: huh??
13:00 kf hi drojf - are you ignoring me?
12:52 drojf hi #koha
12:51 jcamins Yeah, it's pretty awesome.
12:47 tcohen been too focused on libs and tests and didn't take a look at what was going on with the UI, great job!
12:46 tcohen (BTW, crongrats for the great job on that)
12:46 jcamins_away ccsr.
12:46 jcamins_away tcohen: general use.
12:46 tcohen quick question: is the cssr theme targeted to mobile devices? or is a general use one?
12:32 tcohen mornin' #koha
11:52 vfernandes normally the organization notices are more elaborate than the other notices
11:52 vfernandes but would be nice to have that difference in the other notices...
11:51 vfernandes which solves my problem for that case
11:51 vfernandes yes, I know that we can have different overdue notices by categorytype
11:49 kf circulation, predue are the same for all patrons in a library
11:48 kf vfernandes: overdue notices can be different by categorytype
11:45 vfernandes is there anyway in koha 3.8.7 to have different circulation/overdue/predue notices for organization patrons?
10:42 vfernandes good morning koha community :)
09:48 drojf the german article is here if that helps anyone http://www.heise.de/security/meldung/Hintertuer-in-Traffic-Analyse-Software-Piwik-1757145.html
09:39 magnuse which leaves me with very little control over what i install, of course
09:39 magnuse with the wonderful (= easy) "click here to upgrade" function in the web ui
09:38 magnuse i upgraded
09:27 rangi afaict it was only new installs from the zip .. but its light on details
09:27 rangi did you install from the zip, or upgrade?
09:25 magnuse is latest = 1.9.2 and are all 1.9.2 installations affected? i have 1.9.2 but it does not seem to be affected..
09:24 rangi yep
09:24 magnuse a bit more information would have been good, something on their blog and something about what versions are affected...
09:22 rangi if it was proprietary, it could have been there for years no one could tell
09:22 kf :)
09:21 rangi and fixed fast
09:21 rangi it was discovered very fast
09:21 wahanui the good news is, like, it looks like it's running properly
09:21 rangi the good news
09:21 kf poor piwik
09:19 rangi looks like someone compromised the server it was on, and created their own zip file .. it happens every so often, which is why signing is so important
09:18 magnuse ouch
09:12 drojf off to the shower
09:11 drojf :)
09:11 rangi ahh .. thats why we sign our tarballs and md5 them .. not that people bother to check, but this might be a good reminder to do that :)
09:09 drojf only have a german article about it
09:08 drojf http://forum.piwik.org/read.php?2,97666,97674
09:08 rangi what?
09:08 drojf uh, a backdoor in piwik?!
09:06 drojf hi kf :)
09:06 kf hi drojf
09:05 drojf good morning #koha
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08:20 rangi hi paul_p
08:17 paul_p good morning #koha
07:47 cait hi all :) and bbl
07:43 alex_a bonjour rangi
07:43 reiveune :)
07:43 rangi hi alex_a and reiveune
07:43 reiveune hello
07:36 alex_a ata marie magnuse :)
07:36 * magnuse has had trouble installing libchi-perl on ubuntu too
07:35 magnuse ata marie rangi and alex_a
07:34 alex_a bonjour
07:34 rangi hi magnuse
07:33 magnuse kia ora cait and #koha!
07:30 * cait waves back
07:29 * magnuse waves
07:02 mib_jhbzun but it seems that when I uninstalled koha then tried to install libchi and its dependancies it was ok.. then when I updated to koha 3.10 it seems to successfully update the libchi dependancies.
07:01 rangi heh
07:01 mib_jhbzun oh well.. i won't look a gift horse in the mouth.
07:01 mib_jhbzun weird.
07:01 mib_jhbzun it changed now.. it seems to be installing it fine now..
06:59 mib_jhbzun hmm just a sec..
06:59 rangi must be something to do with ubuntu's setup, as it works fine on debian, maybe email koha-devel
06:58 mib_jhbzun when i try 3.10 there is some dependency issues that it just can't overlook.. and when i manually try to install the missing packages it keeps sending me down the line to this package that seems to be THE problem:
06:58 rangi http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/pool/main/libc/
06:57 rangi the same place as koha-common
06:57 rangi how odd, since both of those packages are on debian.koha-community.org
06:57 mib_jhbzun so I've removed koha-common and tried to install directly 3.10 but this still didn't work. I then changed back to oldstable and installed 3.8.7 succesfully with no hickups.
06:52 mib_jhbzun it says i have held broken packages.. but when i check for any it says there aren't.. it only does this for 3.10
06:50 mib_jhbzun no i still get that it has unmet dependencies: libchi-driver-mecached-perl and that its not going to be installed & also libchi-perl but its not going to be installed.
06:48 mib_jhbzun well i just removed koha-common and will try from scratch to see if it gets me 3.10 instead of trying to update or install over from 3.8
06:48 rangi should be ok, libchi-perl is packaged at debian.koha-community.org
06:46 mib_jhbzun Ubuntu 12.04
06:46 mib_jhbzun I will try in a minuate.
06:46 rangi running debian squeeze?
06:45 rangi weird, it just worked fine for me
06:44 mib_jhbzun yes.
06:44 rangi you did an apt-get update, before trying apt-get install koha-common ?
06:44 mib_jhbzun what do you mean sorry?
06:43 rangi you did a fresh apt-get update eh?
06:42 pastebot "rangi" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "The following NEW packages wil" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/283
06:42 rangi pulled in those
06:42 rangi libanyevent-http-perl libdigest-jhash-perl libhash-moreutils-perl libchi-perl koha-common
06:41 mib_jhbzun the 3.8.7 i did about 30 mins ago.. but the 3.10 seems stuck.
06:41 rangi hmm works for me
06:41 mib_jhbzun yes. i just tested now again.
06:40 rangi even now?
06:40 mib_jhbzun Yeah, i've set up a virtual machine for testing. But when i try to update 3.8.7 to 3.10 i get that koha-common was held back and trying sudo apt-get install-koha common or a dist-upgrade just lets me know that it needs libchi-yadda yadda packages that it can't install.
06:36 rangi eythian was working on them, but id try on a test machine first
06:36 rangi they should be ok now
06:35 mib_jhbzun Hi. I just wanted to ask if 3.10 in packages is ok now. I successfully went from 3.8.6 to 3.8.7 but from reviewing yesterdays IRC logs it seems that 3.10 had a whole bunch of dependency issues... which is the case when trying to update. I can only image that was a headache for someone!
04:50 wajasu ok,
04:50 wajasu its really a one time migration thing.
04:49 sandeepbhavsar hi all Good Morning
04:48 jcamins Use a hammer for nails and a screwdriver for screws.
04:48 jcamins Right.
04:48 wajasu and keep it separate as a tool.
04:48 jcamins You're generating stub authorities, so it's not like you're going to miss out on valuable information.
04:48 jcamins Seriously, you're way better off writing your own authority generator to generate authorities.
04:47 wajasu i might just try modifying the current code to add the authority, and export it to zebra like tamil's indexer did and see if autogenerate works better.
04:45 * jcamins will cross that bridge when he comes to it.
04:44 wajasu and you will use Class::Accessor?
04:44 jcamins Some of it, I expect.
04:44 wajasu so is 2013 the year you are doing the rewrite?
04:43 jcamins ish.
04:42 jcamins That's new.
04:42 wajasu well the comment about some method being a "shim" until...
04:41 jcamins Actually, that's been commented out for years.
04:41 wajasu i saw some thesaurus stuff commented out in the code.
04:41 wajasu that what i thought you were doing.
04:40 wahanui search rewrite is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/C_&_P_Search_Rewrite_RFC
04:40 jcamins search rewrite?
04:40 jcamins Yeah, that's why I'm rewriting it.
04:40 jcamins There is no technical reason that Solr shouldn't support authorities. It just doesn't in Koha.
04:40 wajasu by the way, the zerba search logic is a work of art.
04:39 wajasu now that info cleared up a lot
04:39 wajasu no that info cleared up a lot
04:39 jcamins And NoZebra predates authorities, and using it would be profoundly stupid anyway.
04:38 jcamins Because there is no support whatsoever for authorities in Koha::SearchEngine::Solr.
04:38 jcamins No.
04:38 wajasu because of all the match-heading etc?
04:38 jcamins The *only* search engine in Koha that has ever supported authorities -- to the best of my knowledge -- is Zebra.
04:37 jcamins As Solr doesn't, though, it's a moot point.
04:37 jcamins It would be if Solr supported authorities.
04:36 wajasu is the linker search provider agnodtic (solr/zebra)
04:35 jcamins Well, you could, but it would not go into Koha.
04:35 wajasu :)
04:35 wajasu just kidding.
04:35 jcamins No.
04:35 wajasu i guess i could hava linker Generate.pm that generates an authrec, and inserts it realtime into the zebra index.
04:34 rangi C4::Linker::_handle_auth_limit ...
04:33 rangi so that is
04:33 wajasu ah
04:33 rangi use base qw(C4::Linker);
04:32 wajasu oh
04:32 rangi C4::Linker is based on Class::Accessor , C4::Linker::Default is based on C4::Linker
04:32 wajasu return $self->SUPER::_handle_auth_limit($authid), $fuzzy;
04:31 rangi ?
04:28 wajasu it through me for a curve. but then I realized you had a homegrown superclass etc.
04:25 jcamins Traditional Perl OO?
04:24 wajasu Linker.pm and Default.pm and such
04:23 wajasu what style would you call the linker code?
04:22 rangi wajasu: class::accessor is a very lightweight OO base
04:21 druthb lol
04:20 wahanui will he ever win the cataloguing war?
04:20 eythian poor jcamins
04:20 eythian oh
04:20 jcamins lol
04:20 wahanui ...but poor jcamins is <reply>will he ever win the cataloguing war?...
04:20 eythian wahanui: poor jcamins is <reply>will he ever win the cataloguing war#
04:20 eythian heh
04:20 wahanui eythian: no idea
04:20 eythian wahanui: poor jcamins is <reply>will he ever win the cataloguing war?
04:20 eythian err
04:20 eythian wajasu: poor jcamins is <reply>will he ever win the cataloguing war?
04:18 wajasu I actually though about using the perl DCI, because itw would be more maintainable in the long run.
04:17 wajasu using the perl bless OO style.
04:17 eythian It makes more work for poor me having to maintain the extra packages for it all :)
04:17 jcamins That'd be very nice.
04:17 eythian yeah, also in a way that it can go into core Koha would be great.
04:17 wajasu i want to take tamil's indexer and recode it without Moose.
04:16 wajasu i see that.
04:16 eythian you can fix that by helping with the index queue work which'll much reduce that index lag :)
04:15 jcamins Yes.
04:15 wajasu but even when one has autogenerate and tons of authorities, they gen one, and if they catalog another book by the same authority before the index is rebuilt, a dup will be generated.
04:13 wajasu thats what i am realizing now.
04:12 rangi you are better of creating some authority records, loading them in, then linking them
04:12 jcamins wajasu: sure, that's easy enough. Just write your own script.
04:12 rangi so trying to bend it into something its not is a fruitless exercise
04:12 wajasu i need to create a hash of new auth recs, and match against it, but guarantee my authids will be ok if i insert them all at the end of the batch.
04:12 rangi yep, its like jcamins said, its not for creating authorities, the script is for linking your authorities you imported, to your biblios
04:10 wajasu klinker links what currently exists in the zebra index. but the lag between auth creation, and insertion into the DB, causes susequent searches in a batch to not find anything, thus dups are created.
04:09 jcamins Otherwise it would be entirely useless.
04:08 wajasu unless i create my own lookup table or hash for the batch.
04:08 jcamins That's the point.
04:08 jcamins Yes, that's what the linekr does.
04:08 jcamins You could even make it generic enough to include in Koha.
04:08 wajasu linker calls search, but i need search it have the authority i just generated to deliver it on the next search.
04:08 jcamins If you want a script to generate authorities, you should write one.
04:07 eythian I've scripted creating authorities before, it's pretty easy
04:07 jcamins Right, fine, but don't expect a *linker* to do something else.
04:07 jcamins As I said.
04:07 eythian because they come from an authoritive source
04:07 jcamins So the entire authority file must be indexed the entire time.
04:07 wajasu fine for big outfits. but all of the small outfits don't.
04:06 jcamins And the linker is based on Zebra.
04:06 eythian yes, that's why they're authorities
04:06 jcamins You download your authority records from somewhere else.
04:06 eythian oh
04:06 jcamins wajasu: yes, that's the way authorities work.
04:06 eythian I don't think that makes sense to me
04:06 wajasu meaning: as each auth record is created, the indexer needs to be given the new record and the subsequent search for a matching heading needs to find it if its a match.
04:04 wajasu the only way i can get authority records generated is to be able to have a search service that has access to the complete set of auth records.
04:01 druthb I like silly, yes--you'd look wicked with a Fu Manchu or a handlebar. But unkempt, a la Stallman? No, thanks.
03:55 mtj i like the idea of silly facial hair in general tho
03:55 druthb If you don't keep them clean, they can itch, yes. Also, some ladies like 'em, some don't, and it's a line that's rarely crossed. The ones that don't won't see what a handsome charmer you are; all they'll see is the shredded wheat on your face.
03:54 mtj they are too itchy for me?!
03:51 * druthb cannot picture mtj with a beard.
03:50 bag you thinking about growing a beard? or are you already growing one?
03:49 mtj http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/06/beard-gallery
03:49 bag YAY
03:49 mtj http://www.codethinked.com/the-programmer-dress-code
03:48 mtj moar beard humor -> http://www.usenix.org.uk/wiki/Unix_beards
03:30 wahanui OK, eythian.
03:30 eythian wahanui: inconceivable is <reply>http://zork.net/~nick/pix/inconceivable.jpg
03:09 cjh heh neat trick
02:41 rangi might be some useful tricks in there
02:41 rangi http://feeding.cloud.geek.nz/2012/11/prefetching-resources-to-prime-browser.html
02:33 eythian http://www.virtualshackles.com/366
02:06 jcamins Now it does. :)
02:05 jcamins Well, didn't.
02:05 eythian hmm, it'd be pre-09 I think
02:05 jcamins SearchAuthorities doesn't actually work.
02:04 jcamins Oh, weird.
02:04 Space_Librarian cool. I think I was still there for that one.
02:03 eythian Space_Librarian: yeah, at linux.conf.au there.
02:03 Space_Librarian But I do like that there is a definite distinction between a UNIX and a Linux beard (if searching google images).
02:02 Space_Librarian And those are terrifying beards.
02:02 Space_Librarian hahaha. That's taken at ANU.
02:01 eythian http://www.plumbersurplus.com/Blog/post/2009/10/29/Integrating-Open-Source-Software-Into-a-Work-Environment.aspx <-- the two here
02:01 eythian wow that's a terrible link
02:01 eythian ct=hc&vpx=827&vpy=167&dur=633&hovh=142&hovw=224&tx=138&ty=102&sig=105793777089867823742&page=1&tbnh=142&tbnw=224&start=0&ndsp=68&ved=1t:429,r:5,s:0,i:100 <-- these two are both relatively local.
02:01 eythian http://www.google.com/imgres?hl=nl&client=ubuntu&hs=mmB&sa=X&tbo=d&channel=fs&biw=1918&bih=1008&tbm=isch&tbnid=fpwlvcpq94xnxM:&imgrefurl=http://www.plumbersurplus.com/Blog/post/2009/10/29/Integrating-Open-Source-Software-Into-a-Work-Environment.aspx&docid=Nr2yvy6HFPK_dM&imgurl=http://www.plumbersurplus.com/Blog/image.axd%253Fpicture%253D2009%25252F10%25252FUnix%252Bbeard%252Band%252BLinux%252Bbeard.jpg&w=500&h=332&ei=nR60UJalOsm5iAfOvoHIBA&zoom=1&ia
02:00 Space_Librarian whew.
02:00 eythian actually, yes
02:00 eythian nope
01:59 Space_Librarian gah. That didn't work. Did it?
01:59 Space_Librarian http://static.tumblr.com/uocqjyj/hrsln9toh/dilbert.png
01:59 Space_Librarian and dilbert: http://static.tumblr.com/uocqjyj/hrsln9toh/dilbert.png
01:58 Space_Librarian yes. Also: compare the unix beard to the linux beard... https://www.google.com/search?q=unix+beard&hl=nl&client=ubuntu&hs=sLW&tbo=u&channel=fs&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=HB20UNCRKomiiAfBsYCYAw&ved=0CC4QsAQ&biw=1918&bih=1008#hl=nl&client=ubuntu&hs=P4q&tbo=d&channel=fs&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=linux+beard&oq=linux+beard&gs_l=img.3..0i19.14509.17201.4.17538.11.10.0.1.1
01:58 wizzyrea that's a lot of -like
01:57 Space_Librarian But he has a viking-like character with a unix-like beard.
01:56 * Space_Librarian read his books before she discovered Tolkien (so. 12).
01:56 * wizzyrea has not
01:56 * eythian cannot read his books.
01:55 Space_Librarian Have you ever read David Eddings?
01:55 eythian https://www.google.com/search?q=unix+beard&hl=nl&client=ubuntu&hs=sLW&tbo=u&channel=fs&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=HB20UNCRKomiiAfBsYCYAw&ved=0CC4QsAQ&biw=1918&bih=1008
01:54 wizzyrea I think is what they are trying to ascertain
01:54 wizzyrea beard*
01:54 wizzyrea I don't know, which beard would be the most unix admin-like bear
01:53 Space_Librarian dwarvish beard?
01:53 wizzyrea no, homeless beard
01:53 wizzyrea well there's "full beard"
01:37 rangi not really accurate for a philosopher then
01:37 rangi heh
01:37 eythian that one looks far too tidy
01:36 rangi or the philosopher
01:35 eythian probably would be, yeah
01:33 ibeardslee is neck beard close enough?
01:32 eythian I see no "UNIX beard" on that list
01:31 trea http://i.imgur.com/PHmF5.jpg
01:29 * lds go to bed, good bye
01:25 eythian I like how there's a "last test", followed by two more tests.
01:25 melia thanks! :)
01:24 jcamins melia++
01:24 rangi ah yep, nat .. thats nothing but pain
01:24 lds rangi: a lot of problems
01:24 lds rangi: virtualisation nat bad resolution
01:23 lds rangi: postfix <-> unix host command
01:22 rangi i use nslookup, or dig
01:21 lds rangi: arfffff unix host command is very bad
01:20 rangi got a ton of test emails
01:20 rangi lds: looks like the lists are coming back
01:18 jcamins Right now Cache::Memcached::Fast does everything CHI does.
01:17 eythian yeah
01:16 jcamins Especially since we don't really leverage it yet anyway.
01:15 jcamins But it's also entirely unnecessary.
01:15 jcamins I mean, CHI is very advantageous.
01:15 jcamins 'Cause I see no reason to install CHI.
01:15 eythian that's not a bad thought
01:15 jcamins If we did that, we could have a "do not include" flag.
01:14 jcamins One thing I discussed with chris_n was storing packaging information directly in Installer::PerlDependencies.
01:14 eythian so anything that's super-optional and problematic won't be added to the list.
01:14 eythian On thing I should do is have a blacklist of modules that aren't going to be depended on.
01:13 eythian yeah
01:13 jcamins I guess the idea is that it reduces variables when it comes to supporting the package?
01:10 eythian packages, for better or for worse, tend to be stricter about such things.
01:10 jcamins (unless you specifically ask for it to be installed)
01:10 jcamins (when installed via CPAN)
01:10 jcamins Digest::JHash is automatically detected by CHI if it's available, but not installed if it's not.
01:09 eythian currently I'm maintaining ~15 extra modules, and it's getting to be a bit of a headache.
01:09 eythian I plan to have a bit of a rant on the -devel list about dependencies.
01:08 eythian though, even the optional stuff is required for building.
01:08 eythian yeah, I know
01:08 jcamins Digest::JHash is an optional dependency of an optional dependency.
01:07 jcamins It's a pity we can't do optional dependencies as optional.
01:07 jcamins Yay!
01:07 eythian excellent, thanks
01:07 eythian squeeze|main|amd64: libdigest-jhash-perl 0.07-1koha1
01:06 eythian looks promising so far...
01:04 eythian k
01:04 jcamins Okay, try the new version of that tgz.
01:03 eythian ah, it filters source control stuff
01:02 eythian -b is binary only, not sure about -i
01:02 jcamins I don't know what it does, but that's what I do.
01:01 jcamins Well, usually I use -i
01:01 jcamins (-us -uc too, in this case)
01:01 jcamins -i -b
01:01 eythian for perl modules, debuild -us -uc is what I do.
01:00 eythian how's that?
01:00 jcamins I'll build packages the way I usually do.
01:00 eythian though, if you have it lying around, it might be the easy way...
01:00 eythian the problem is that I can't install the package because I don't have the tar.gz it's wanting, and I don't think I should need that.
00:59 eythian I'm also curious why it didn't pick up the .orig file
00:59 jcamins I thought you were telling me the exact arguments you wanted.
00:59 eythian jcamins: can you md5sum your libdigest-jhash-perl_0.07-1koha1.tar.gz for me?
00:59 jcamins That's not how I usually build packages...
00:58 eythian -(
00:58 eythian no, but had you asked, that's what I would have said :)(
00:58 jcamins You didn't say debuild.
00:58 eythian hmm. the -uc -us wouldn't make a difference here...
00:57 jcamins Oh, arguments.
00:57 jcamins debuild -uc -us
00:57 eythian I didn't give you a command...
00:56 eythian )
00:56 eythian (instead it should refer to the orig.tar.gz
00:56 jcamins eythian: it was created by the command you gave me.
00:56 eythian that shouldn't exist
00:56 eythian jcamins: why do those files reference a libdigest-jhash-perl_0.07-1koha1.tar.gz file?
00:49 eythian tq
00:48 jcamins [off] http://kohadev.cpbibliography.com/libdigest-jhash-amd64.tar.gz
00:46 jcamins Thanks.
00:46 jcamins It wants to use your key, which won't work as I don't have it.
00:46 eythian -uc -us
00:46 jcamins Okay, how do I make it not try to sign the packages?
00:44 eythian yeah
00:44 eythian ...
00:44 eythian probably just removing the blib dir
00:43 * jcamins works out that he can just rm -R blib
00:43 eythian Digest-JHash-0.07/Makefile ?
00:43 jcamins There's no make file so I can't clean it.
00:42 jcamins Hm.
00:40 eythian it's actually just the -1koha1.* files I care about in this case, I accidentally included the old ones in there
00:39 eythian http://ubuntuone.com/5AKjGpv8BCh2YdOZP8gb7l <-- jcamins
00:37 jcamins Thanks.
00:37 eythian yeah, I'll send you the files for it.
00:37 jcamins You need a new one?
00:37 jcamins I just have to figure out how I did it.
00:37 jcamins Sure.
00:37 eythian jcamins: so, you remember when you built me the 64-bit version of Digest::JHash...can I get you to do that again?
00:36 jcamins eythian: I am.
00:24 eythian jcamins: are you about?