Time  Nick         Message
00:54 LaLuz        hi
00:54 wahanui      hello, LaLuz
00:55 LaLuz        i am trying to install koha on my mac locally
00:56 LaLuz        wahanui, hi
00:56 wahanui      hola, LaLuz
00:57 LaLuz        wahanui, are you a bot
00:57 wahanui      OK, LaLuz.
00:57 jcamins      LaLuz: wahanui is, yes.
00:57 LaLuz        ok
00:57 jcamins      LaLuz: I have never heard of anyone installing Koha on OSX.
00:57 jcamins      I recommend using Debian or Ubuntu in a VirtualBox VM.
00:57 LaLuz        according to the readme its possible
00:57 jcamins      Really?
00:57 LaLuz        read the read me
00:58 LaLuz        or the INSTALL
00:58 wahanui      the install is done yet
00:58 jcamins      Well, no one has done it in three years.
00:58 LaLuz        so i am going to be the first
00:58 jcamins      I think so. :)
00:58 jcamins      Well- I suppose there's a slight chance it's so easy that people have done it without encountering a single problem.
00:58 jcamins      But that seems unlikely.
00:59 jcamins      What version of Koha are you installing?
01:01 LaLuz        git
01:01 jcamins      So the latest master, 3.9 (soon to be 3.10)?
01:01 LaLuz        yah
01:01 LaLuz        i just cloned it 20 minutes ago
01:01 jcamins      Good... I was concerned you might be trying to install Koha 2.0.
01:02 LaLuz        are you a dev
01:03 jcamins      Yes. I'm the Release Manager for 3.12.
01:04 jcamins      I see no mention of Macs in the INSTALL or README files.
01:05 jcamins      (if you're comfortable doing development on a Mac I would suppose it'd probably be possible to compile everything from source, but I certainly wouldn't know how to do it)
01:06 LaLuz        and I quote Koha runs on many Un*x style systems, including a variety of Linux distributions and Mac OS X
01:06 jcamins      Where did you clone the repository from?
01:07 LaLuz        https://github.com/liblime/LibLime-Koha/blob/4_12/INSTALL
01:07 jcamins      Ah.
01:07 jcamins      There's your problem.
01:07 jcamins      That's not Koha.
01:07 jcamins      That's LibLime's proprietary fork.
01:07 LaLuz        so where do i find koha
01:07 jcamins      I highly doubt it works on Macs, either, and there's no support for it.
01:07 jcamins      koha-community.org
01:07 wahanui      i think koha-community.org is actually updated and right
01:07 jcamins      wahanui: thanks...
01:07 wahanui      my pleasure jcamins
01:08 jcamins      You can clone from git.koha-community.org
01:08 LaLuz        i was testing both builds of evergreen and koha
01:09 jcamins      LibLime's proprietary fork is much less actively developed than Koha.
01:09 LaLuz        give me the git link
01:09 jcamins      You'll have a much more fair comparison between open source Koha and Evergreen, not to mention some hope of free help from this channel. :)
01:09 jcamins      git://git.koha-community.org/koha.git
01:09 jcamins      http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=summary <-- gitweb
01:10 LaLuz        cloniong now
01:11 LaLuz        how does koha work in a multi branch system
01:12 jcamins      The way you would expect, I think. Each library can have separate circ rules, you can transfer books between branches, etc.
01:13 LaLuz        i know u are a koha dev
01:13 LaLuz        but how does it compare to evergreen if you dont mind me asking
01:13 jcamins      I prefer Koha.
01:13 LaLuz        evergreen was a bitch and a have to setup
01:13 jcamins      For two reasons:
01:13 LaLuz        excuse my language
01:13 wahanui      LaLuz: runaway cat on system.
01:13 jcamins      1) installing Evergreen made me want to kill myself.
01:13 jcamins      2) searches can get painfully slow
01:14 LaLuz        yah
01:14 LaLuz        if you make 1 small typo somewhere you are screwed
01:14 LaLuz        and you have to start the server from scratch
01:14 jcamins      Due to the database, not their search syntax. I'm actually in the process of porting the Evergreen QueryParser to Koha.
01:15 LaLuz        all the libraries here uses koha
01:15 jcamins      Where are you located?
01:15 LaLuz        el salvador
01:15 LaLuz        well not all
01:15 jcamins      Oh, another reason I like Koha better: the community is larger, and more geographically diverse.
01:15 LaLuz        some
01:16 jcamins      Which means when you have a question at an odd time you have a reasonable chance of someone being around to answer it.
01:16 LaLuz        odd imes
01:16 LaLuz        are my specially
01:17 jcamins      Mine too, as you probably gathered from the fact that it's Friday night and I was around to answer your question.
01:17 LaLuz        yah
01:18 LaLuz        since i moved out  here
01:18 LaLuz        time does not make sense to me anymore
01:20 LaLuz        they want me to intergrate all the branches
01:20 jcamins      How many are there?
01:20 LaLuz        so far we have 10
01:20 LaLuz        but we are goignt to get 13 more
01:21 LaLuz        not including the government library which soon i will get access too
01:21 jcamins      What ILS are they using now?
01:21 LaLuz        apparently koha
01:22 LaLuz        but it came to a  shock to me that they told me that koha was not free software
01:22 jcamins      _Koha_ is free software.
01:22 jcamins      "LibLime Koha" is not.
01:23 LaLuz        i know which means someone is charging them a hefty fine
01:23 LaLuz        *fee
01:23 jcamins      Well, if they want support, that does cost money.
01:24 jcamins      My company provides hosting and support for Koha, and we're not cheap.
01:24 LaLuz        whats your company
01:24 jcamins      C & P Bibliography Services.
01:24 LaLuz        im going to get a vps for koha
01:24 LaLuz        right now
01:24 wahanui      right now is testing just somebody seeing if it works?
01:25 jcamins      That's the easiest thing to do.
01:25 LaLuz        it would take me 20 minute to get the sever brb
01:28 LaLuz        i found a really good vps deal
01:29 jcamins      Oh, that's another thing I like about Koha compared to Evergreen: I can run a decent-sized Koha installation with 1GB of RAM.
01:30 LaLuz        evergreen requires minimum 2gbn
01:30 LaLuz        some people are running production servers with 128
01:30 jcamins      Exactly.
01:31 LaLuz        in third world countries they never even heard of 128
01:31 jcamins      The more RAM you give Koha the better, of course, but it's not absolutely mandatory to have 2GB for just a few thousand records.
01:32 LaLuz        what about if you are getting somewhere in the half million
01:33 jcamins      If you're seeing significant usage, I'd want two 8GB servers: one for MySQL, one for Apache.
01:34 jcamins      Well, I'd always *want* 192GB of RAM, but I wouldn't really have a use for it. I just think it'd be cool. ;)
01:34 LaLuz        well when i take control over the central library system here for the country
01:35 LaLuz        can you believe they are still using pen and paper
01:35 jcamins      Yikes!
01:36 LaLuz        and the old cards
01:36 LaLuz        yah computer systems do not exist around here much
01:37 LaLuz        has anyone hit 256gb of ram
01:37 jcamins      With Koha?
01:37 jcamins      Not that I know of.
01:37 LaLuz        i know people are building clusters with 1tb
01:37 jcamins      There are fairly large consortia using 32GB RAM, total.
01:37 LaLuz        just becaus they want to convert a movine 10 minutes
01:38 LaLuz        *seconds
01:38 LaLuz        i sent a email to the hosting company
01:38 LaLuz        hopefully i can get my same setup
01:42 LaLuz        i have yet to see there setup
01:42 LaLuz        is there a way to convert liblime to koha
01:43 jcamins      Basically you just have to do a migration, the same as you would from any other ILS.
01:43 jcamins      A friend of mine who works at ByWater Solutions has done dozens.
01:45 LaLuz        sorry if i asking 1000 million questions
01:48 jcamins      No problem. We like curious people on #koha. :)
01:49 LaLuz        just waiting for a response
01:49 LaLuz        from the hosting company
02:05 LaLuz        This is going no where
02:05 LaLuz        im going tobed
02:06 jcamins      Have a good night.
08:19 magnuse      kia ora cait
08:20 cait         hi magnuse
08:20 magnuse      :-)
12:51 mascha       hi there, just installed koha 3.8 can I switch off the field 942 subfield c?
12:52 mascha       I mean there is  a mandatory field can I uncheck it?
12:55 jcamins_away mascha: you can edit your framework to not make it mandatory.
13:01 mascha       thx, got a search result with z39.50 and want to put it in the database but there is Koha [default] item type to be set ????
13:02 mascha       no idea what it could be
13:12 jcamins_away You can set it to whatever you like.
13:12 jcamins_away You have to configure your item types.
13:23 mascha       mmmmhhhh... it works. But what means OSt in Marc-field 003?
13:24 mascha       oh, oh... it's a long way to become a librarian
13:30 francharb    hi
13:51 jcamins_away francharb: shouldn't you be off today?
13:52 francharb    jcamins_away, I should but I have things to be done quickly so...
13:52 francharb    here I am
13:52 francharb    :)
13:52 francharb    what about you jcamins_away ?
13:53 francharb    what's your excuse?
13:53 francharb    your nick says "away"
13:53 francharb    ;)
13:54 jcamins      francharb: my excuse is that I always work on weekends.
13:55 francharb    :)
14:07 * magnuse    waves
14:12 francharb    0/ magnuse
14:14 magnuse      hiya francharb
14:27 LaLuz        hi
14:27 wahanui      bonjour, LaLuz
14:37 LaLuz        what are the best practices fro someone from git
14:38 LaLuz        *installing
14:41 jcamins      git?
14:41 wahanui      git is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git
14:42 jcamins      ^^ I believe you'll find instructions on that page.
14:43 jcamins      The overview is: clone repo, install dependencies, run through installer choosing "dev" mode, run make.
14:44 jcamins      And, of course, don't use a git install in production.
14:48 LaLuz        for a debain setup
14:48 LaLuz        should i just use the prebuilt package
14:50 fudm         hi guys
14:51 jcamins      I would recommend that, yes.
14:51 fudm         my Z39:59 search is not responding
14:51 LaLuz        apt-get install koha
14:51 wahanui      hmmm... apt-get install koha is PDC
14:52 fudm         what do think is  the problm
14:52 jcamins      LaLuz: apt-get install koha-common
14:52 jcamins      fudm: you would have to give us a lot more information than that.
14:53 fudm         k
14:53 jcamins      Based on what you've told me, I am going to guess randomly it's a firewall issue.
14:53 fudm         k
14:53 fudm         tnx i think that is it
14:54 fudm         cos it some of the time
14:54 fudm         respond som of the time
14:55 fudm         @jcamins u bn so helpful koha is up and running in my school now tnx man!
14:55 huginn       fudm: downloading the Perl source
14:55 fudm         k
15:22 LaLuz        koha in in maintenece mode
15:24 Kabii        hey
15:26 jcamins      Kabii: did you go through the web installer?
15:27 Kabii        no
15:27 jcamins      You need to.
15:27 Kabii        how do i access it
15:27 jcamins      Access it via the intranet.
15:27 jcamins      packages?
15:27 wahanui      i heard packages was at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
15:27 jcamins      ^^ that page has the best instructions
15:28 jcamins      plack?
15:28 wahanui      Plack is a FastCGI thingy that works with Koha. See http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Plack for more information.
15:28 jcamins      (that's for me not you)
16:11 francharb    see ya tomorrow
16:57 * cait       waves
16:57 jcamins      Hello.
17:42 cait         hi jcamins
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