Time  Nick          Message
23:12 huginn        bag: sekjal was last seen in #koha 3 weeks, 0 days, 7 hours, 16 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <sekjal> this is one of the first times I've listened to music at work… that's definitey something I miss from my home office days
23:12 bag           @seen sekjal
22:37 bag           rangi you still around?
22:17 Manderson     (That's with -v -v verbosity)
22:17 Manderson     http://pastebin.com/vGCUsSrM
22:16 Manderson     I'll post it in pastebin
22:16 Manderson     and turning on verbose logging, I see that a record gets exported...
22:15 Manderson     with the flags -b -a -z
22:15 Manderson     Yes
22:15 ras0ir        you have cronjobs installed?
22:14 Manderson     Not a big deal for small numbers, but that is a non-starter when the catalog grows
22:14 Manderson     Still struggling with why Zebra isn't indexing new records. I have to manually rebuild the index...
20:13 rangi         id have to try
20:12 rangi         i think you perhaps can still override
20:10 jcamins       We have a syspref to prevent items being checked out to other people when they're on hold, don't we?
20:10 oleonard      rangi: That's what I assume happens, but it seems like it happens more often than it should
20:10 cait          noone travelling to the library to pickup a hold that is no longer there
20:10 cait          if it's still on the shelf and someone brings it... that's bad luck, but no harm done
20:10 cait          I think not giving it to someone else then is the right thing to do
20:10 cait          hm but if it's waiting it has been checked in for th eother person
20:09 rangi         but then you get an angry person at the circ desk
20:09 rangi         except blocking ppl issuing thigns that are marked waiting, to anyone other than who it is waiting for
20:09 rangi         there isnt really a nice solution i can think of
20:08 rangi         its a messy one
20:08 rangi         of course the person will then get another email when it goes back to waiting
20:08 rangi         it should probably get moved back out of waiting
20:08 rangi         they get the warning which they can override
20:08 rangi         so if its marked waiting, then someone issues it
20:07 rangi         it stays in the state it was in
20:07 rangi         if the person overrides the reserve and doesnt cancel it
20:07 rangi         that can happen
20:06 oleonard      Things which are both checked out and waiting?
20:06 oleonard      Has anyone seen this before? We get it fairly often: http://screencast.com/t/i8lVnSfM
20:02 tweetbot`     [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Troubleshooting Notices http://t.co/TgE9MN88 #kohails"
20:02 rangi         ill try to have a look this evening oleonard
19:57 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9034 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, In Discussion , Add sorting and filtering on items table (catalogue/detail.pl)
19:57 oleonard      I put Bug 9034 into "discussion" if anyone cares to weigh in
19:56 jcamins       lol
19:56 rangi         i think every 3 year old has that sussed
19:56 rangi         and repeatedly do what you were told was a bad idea
19:55 rangi         dont follow anyones advice
19:55 jcamins       That's got to be entertaining "here, son. Daddy spends all his time trying to make this work. I bet you can't break it!"
19:55 rangi         heh
19:55 jcamins       You could teach him how to break Koha! :P
19:53 rangi         gotta entertain atarau
19:53 rangi         thats probably all ill get done until the evening
19:52 jcamins       rangi++
19:52 jcamins       Hooray!
19:52 rangi         no more blockers!
19:52 rangi         i see it now
19:51 rangi         ah yes
19:51 jcamins       Our favorite troll.
19:51 rangi         hmm?
19:49 * jcamins     ignores the message.
19:49 jcamins       You ignored the recommendations to not use punctuation and are now surprised that you're having problems?
19:21 rangi         thanks
19:21 cait          I willl put it on my list
19:21 cait          ok
19:21 rangi         yep
19:20 jcamins       'Cause the code was already reviewed.
19:20 jcamins       Once it's signed off, rangi can push it.
19:20 jcamins       Right, the patch for 3.8.x needs to be signed off.
19:20 rangi         yes, for only teh 3.8.x patch
19:20 cait          right now it's needs sign-off
19:19 cait          hm
19:19 rangi         yeah it passed qa on master
19:19 cait          ah
19:19 jcamins       I don't think it needs to go through QA again?
19:19 cait          what am I missing?
19:19 cait          hm but if I sign off .... I can't pass qa
19:18 rangi         :)
19:18 jcamins       I might try if I get through pushing everything that's passed QA tomorrow, but I expect by then I'll be too tired to sign off.
19:17 rangi         its a 3.8.x patch only so i cant sign off
19:17 jcamins       Nah, rangi is the one who will be pushing it.
19:17 cait          or some other volunteer who happens to stick his head in here
19:17 cait          s
19:17 cait          so it has to be rangi I gues
19:17 cait          I can't sign off, I am the only qa team member left who is going to take a look at it
19:17 cait          aha
19:16 cait          yeah, always suspicious and on my toes from now on...
19:16 jcamins       cait: it needs to be signed off, and neither rangi nor I will be doing it.
19:16 jcamins       I guess this is the result of being QAM.
19:16 rangi         hehe
19:16 cait          ok, can I get a short one sentence summary of your discussion around the fine syntax bug plz?
19:16 jcamins       rangi: when did cait become so cagey and learn not to agree before reading back? ;)
19:15 cait          lol let me read back
19:14 rangi         its testing notices :)
19:14 rangi         *hint hint*
19:14 rangi         maybe cait can
19:14 rangi         it
19:14 rangi         cos then it will only have me looking at
19:14 rangi         yep, and not me
19:14 rangi         i think the fine syntax got broken pre 3.8.0
19:14 jcamins       In that case, someone should sign off on it. :)
19:14 * jcamins     is probably going to be able to spend all day tomorrow pushing... a shame that most of the QA team finished working a while ago.
19:14 rangi         hmm i think that might actaully be needed for 3.8.x
19:13 rangi         right
19:12 jcamins       16. Bug 8378 was already pushed to master.
19:12 rangi         if we cant get them out of needs signoff, we arent actually trying
19:12 rangi         and are bugs
19:12 rangi         that are for 3.10.0 and lower
19:11 rangi         thats 17
19:11 jcamins       So I'd love signoffs and QA on those, but only after the others are done.
19:11 rangi         easy peasy
19:11 jcamins       Right.
19:11 rangi         cool
19:11 rangi         ah right, so 3.10.1 really
19:11 rangi         that makes it even easier
19:11 jcamins       Yeah, string changes.
19:11 rangi         sorry 4 bugs are 3.12?
19:11 cait          hope to get to it tomorrow, but the distance study deadline is so close too :(
19:11 rangi         4 of the bugs are NSO ?
19:10 cait          for master... maybe should do it for 3.8.x too?
19:10 wahanui       well, bugs is found at http://bugs.koha-community.org. Please fix any bugs you find. :) or reporting them is helpful, too.
19:10 rangi         bugs?
19:10 cait          I have testing notices high on my list
19:10 jcamins       Well, 4.
19:10 jcamins       And a bunch of the NSOs are for 3.12.
19:09 rangi         i think so
19:09 rangi         ah yep
19:08 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8378 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , <fine> syntax not working on overdues anymore
19:08 rangi         bug 8378
19:08 rangi         as long as ppl focus on that
19:08 jcamins       rangi: FWIW, if I were RMaint I would probably not take 8378 for 3.8. Isn't that a commingled bugfix/enhancement, where the bugfix was only needed for Master?
19:08 rangi         so its totally doable
19:08 rangi         82 are enhancements
19:08 rangi         of the 103
19:07 jcamins       Sure would be.
19:06 magnuse       rangi: yup, it certainly would!!
19:06 rangi         that would be awesome
19:06 magnuse       gah, not enough space for the indexing...
19:06 rangi         with only enhancments in needs signoff
19:06 rangi         if we get to the end of weekend
19:06 rangi         i got rid of the other blockers and criticals yesterday
19:06 magnuse       rangi++
19:06 rangi         the 4 majors
19:06 cait          rangi++
19:06 jcamins       rangi++
19:05 rangi         ill try to get rid of that
19:05 rangi         hmm 1 blocker ..
19:03 rangi         hehe
18:58 jcamins       rangi: trying to figure out where they are? :P
18:58 rangi         i wonder what the rea's are doing today
18:58 cait          oh
18:55 rangi         nope no wind and blue sky
18:51 druthb        windy.  Since, well, it's Wellington...
18:51 oleonard      Unbearably sunny?
18:49 cait          raining?
18:47 rangi         partly cloudy my butt
18:46 huginn        rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0°C (7:00 AM NZDT on November 10, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
18:46 rangi         @wunder nzwn
18:46 huginn        druthb: The current temperature in Near Lawrence High School, Lawrence, Kansas is 21.9°C (12:45 PM CST on November 09, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 24%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Falling).
18:46 druthb        @wunder 66046
18:46 huginn        jcamins: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Jackson Heights NY US, Corona, New York is 10.6°C (1:12 PM EST on November 09, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1018 hPa (Falling).
18:46 jcamins       @wunder 11375
18:44 rangi         now
18:44 rangi         its doing the old pushed, and pushed to master as well
18:44 jcamins       That fixed it. Thanks!
18:43 rangi         try that
18:42 jcamins       Got it. :)
18:42 jcamins       That's to the status "Pushed," not "Pushed to Master."
18:42 jcamins       Oh, I see.
18:42 jcamins       rangi: but there's a column for Pushed.
18:41 rangi         so it doesnt match the query now
18:40 rangi         its probably someone changed the status
18:40 rangi         jcamins: cos thats not what i wanted to track?
18:40 jcamins       rangi: why don't my updates to Pushed to Master show up there?
18:39 magnuse       snapshot of the last hour: http://div.libriotech.no/kohachange/
18:36 rangi         http://bugs.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/progress.pl
18:23 cait          :)
18:22 jcamins       Thanks.
18:21 rangi         and passed qa can go back to signed off
18:21 rangi         but now every state can go to needs signoff
18:20 rangi         hmm i cant see how to actually turn them off
18:19 cait          rangi: I am not a fan of the workflos
18:19 tcohen        eythian, did u find the problem with koha-index-daemon ?
18:17 jcamins       Yeah, might as well turn off the workflow.
18:16 jcamins       Actually, everything needs to be able to go to Needs Signoff.
18:16 rangi         well telling them not to jump also works :)
18:16 jcamins       rangi: preventing people jumping makes sense, I guess, but it seems like we spend a lot of time trying to move things back one step.
18:16 rangi         i think paul put it on, im not a huge fan, but others seem to like it
18:15 rangi         jcamins: i can take the workflow things off
18:15 * druthb      will be auditing the list of superusers--if you want to still be one (or be promoted to one) you've gotta talk to me about it.  Otherwise, I'm lockin' the doors.
18:14 magnuse       :-)
18:14 jcamins       Mmmm. Pizza!
18:14 * magnuse     wanders off to make pizza, but will let jcamins know when the indexing is done (~150k records done in ~10 minutes so far...)
18:13 * magnuse     can log in too, and has the right permissions as far as he can tell
18:12 magnuse       druthb++
18:12 druthb        This is a test--I want to do some smoke-testing of things, then we'll offically cut over and move the DNS.
18:12 jcamins       fredericd++
18:12 druthb        fredericd++  #making the transfer easy.
18:12 jcamins       druthb++
18:11 druthb        linode++
18:11 cait          druthb++ !
18:11 cait          :)
18:11 druthb        The only thing that box is doing besides Pootle, is my bip proxy. :)
18:10 cait          can log in - looks good to me so far :)
18:09 druthb        Anyone who has translation accounts:  Please check out http://96.126.118.111/   #userid and pw should be the same as http://translate.koha-community.org
18:09 jcamins       Uh-oh.
18:05 magnuse       i did it on my local computer already, so it should work, but i'm not sure i'm seeing what i should expect to see
18:04 jcamins       magnuse: thanks!
18:02 magnuse       jcamins: in ~30 minutes i will have imported and indexed the ~600k marc autority records from MeSH in a public installation, if you want to have a look
17:50 magnuse       gah, too late
17:50 magnuse       au revoir Joubu
17:50 Joubu         bye
17:50 Joubu         have a good w-e #koha !
17:49 * magnuse     looked for it in the firebug console
17:49 jcamins       I just didn't get anything at all.
17:49 jcamins       Nope.
17:48 magnuse       did you get an error about return not being in a function or something?
17:42 jcamins       Yeah, I don't see it either.
17:38 magnuse       the wiki says "Version: tested on Koha 3.2 "
17:38 magnuse       it does sound cool, but i'm not seeing the search box
17:37 jcamins       We already have jQueryUI.
17:37 jcamins       Hm.
17:37 jcamins       Maybe I should.
17:37 jcamins       However, it sounds really cool.
17:37 jcamins       I have not.
17:37 magnuse       this, to be precise: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/JQuery_Library#Add_VIAF_autosuggest_for_new_NAME_authorities
17:36 magnuse       anyone tried to use the viaf autosuggest javascript thing with a more recent version than 3.2?
17:34 * magnuse     waves to cait-m
17:29 oleonard      Yeah I've used due dates in the past after accidentally checking something in
17:28 jcamins       Right.
17:28 chris_n       hmm... maybe take their cookies and milk away?
17:28 jcamins       If your librarians ignore all the warnings, there's not a lot you can do.
17:27 jcamins       We have a warning.
17:27 jcamins       Oh, yes: if you inadvertantly check the box to discharge items without them actually being there to check in.
17:27 * chris_n     thinks it should either be impossible or very, very hard
17:26 jcamins       chris_n: certainly for testing.
17:25 chris_n       is the ability to set past due dates ever justified?
17:14 magnuse       goody!
17:14 oleonard      magnuse: Yes
17:13 magnuse       it's still possible to set due dates in the past right? but you have to use the calendar, so no typos?
17:13 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8972 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Due Date set to 100 years ago.
17:13 jcamins       Bug 8972
17:12 jcamins       I just pushed it.
17:12 jcamins       chris_n: it was for circulation.
17:12 * chris_n     could add a check while fixing the due date field verification foo
17:11 chris_n       jcamins: was it for fines or circulation?
17:11 chris_n       jcamins: at least a check to verify that the due date is in the future
17:10 * chris_n     considers an amortization module for fines
17:10 jcamins       chris_n: there was just a patch for that.
17:09 chris_n       it was a big disappointment to the librarians who thought they now had funding for lots of new stuff ;-)
17:08 magnuse       chris_n: retroactive fines - yay!
17:07 magnuse       [off] jcamins you should put that in your contracts
17:07 chris_n       turns out a librarian fat-fingered the year of the due date: 1912
17:07 * chris_n     tries to calm a patron who was fined $3200.25
17:06 jcamins       [off] This is why collectors shouldn't be allowed free run around their collections.
17:06 jcamins       I am missing four manuscripts.
17:06 francharb_afk seee ya
17:06 francharb_afk time to go
17:06 francharb_afk that's what I'm going to do in french. I can translate it in english. I let you know when it's done! I guess next week. ;)
17:05 magnuse       francharb_afk: that would be super awesome!
17:04 francharb_afk magnuse : I can try to do a documention from a librarian perspective like 'i'm cataloguing, i do this, that... if CatalogModuleRelink is set to "Do", then.... if not...
17:04 magnuse       when i did the bulk of the normarc work i put it off because there wasn't a normarc framwork, and then i promptly forgot all about it, until the "get to know koha" day on wednesday
17:04 magnuse       jcamins: cool
17:04 magnuse       ah, well that should be ok then, with the kvortzen and the spazzen
17:03 jcamins       Makes perfect sense to me.
17:03 magnuse       jcamins: i need to add support for authorities to normarc. normarc does not have a authorities format. does reusing the marc21 frameworks and associated paraphernalia sound too crazy?
17:03 jcamins       magnuse: it's really very simple. The frotzen kvortzen and spazzen.
17:01 * magnuse     wishes francharb_afk could teleport that understanding into his own head
17:00 francharb     see ya
17:00 francharb     cronjob checked! linker thing understood! Guess I can take a break now... \0/
16:57 jcamins       lol
16:56 oleonard      In that case jcamins you need a scarf that won't blow away: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2a/Fourth_Doctor.jpg/250px-Fourth_Doctor.jpg
16:56 jcamins       And because I don't wear T-shirts.
16:56 magnuse       distractions!
16:55 jcamins       magnuse: I think it's 'cause my scarf nearly blew away as I was walking down the street.
16:55 magnuse       oy, why are you people not talking about food?
16:53 francharb     :)
16:53 francharb     there are 3 parts knitted togother... It's maybe easier than I think... humm! I'm will check that with my knitting friend!
16:53 jcamins       Also piecework, though that's small enough that I think I could manage it all at one tension.
16:52 magnuse       cait-m: weird distances in germany? :-)
16:52 jcamins       What gets me are the cables.
16:52 jcamins       And increasing, of course.
16:52 jcamins       Looks pretty straightforward... mostly just ribbing and decreasing.
16:52 oleonard      For the next Hackfest jcamins can send hand-made scarves instead of fudge
16:51 francharb     :)
16:51 francharb     rooo! I'm jealous!
16:51 jcamins       I think I could do that.
16:51 francharb     oleonard, :)
16:50 francharb     one day, hopefully, I will be a better knitter to do that
16:50 * oleonard    confirms it--never saw francharb without his scarf
16:50 francharb     :)
16:50 francharb     jcamins, I know!!!
16:50 francharb     :)
16:50 francharb     during winter I'm scarves obsessed
16:50 jcamins       francharb: oooh. That's pretty nice looking.
16:49 * francharb   wants to knit more to do that : http://westknits.com/index.php/pattern/scarves-cowls/birdwing/
16:49 jcamins       I want the high kind.
16:49 jcamins       No, not that kind.
16:49 francharb     ascots and cravats++
16:48 oleonard      jcamins' new look: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/54/Freddie.gif
16:47 druthb        O.o
16:47 druthb        o.O
16:47 jcamins       Perhaps this should be my new year's resolution.
16:47 * jcamins     should wear more ascots and cravats.
16:47 * druthb      pouts.  She didn't give me cookies.
16:45 cait          ok, almost home now - bbl
16:44 francharb     :)
16:44 francharb     cait, ++
16:44 * cait        sends francharb and jcamins cookies
16:44 francharb     I'm going to check the cronjob now! \0/ and then time for a break! :)
16:43 jcamins       :)
16:43 francharb     :)
16:43 francharb     ;)
16:43 francharb     for today! ;)
16:43 cait          heh
16:43 francharb     thank you jcamins, that was my last one!
16:43 jcamins       Memory leaks are also anathema to troubleshooting.
16:43 jcamins       I did, yes.
16:43 Manderson     jcamins: thank you, I'll take a look
16:43 cait          :) but you fixed it!
16:42 jcamins       That used to be the only option, and it used to take days and days and days because there was a massive memory leak in C4::AuthoritiesMarc.
16:42 jcamins       Right.
16:42 jcamins       By running link_bibs_to_authorities.pl.
16:42 francharb     with the cronjob?
16:42 francharb     is there another way to relink heading than during cataloguing?
16:41 jcamins       Hehe.
16:41 francharb     will stop asking question
16:41 francharb     jcamins, after this one, I swear, I
16:41 wahanui       i guess jcamins is RM for 3.12, and just about the only one crazy enough to work on major projects in both authorities and search.
16:41 francharb     ok jcamins
16:40 cait          magnuse: I think the trip from oslo to stuttgart was shorter than the trip from reutlingen to konstanz....
16:40 jcamins       francharb: possibly they were supposed to, but there was a bug and the linking didn't actually occur.
16:40 jcamins       francharb: before my patch, headings were never relinked during cataloging.
16:40 cait          hey magnuse
16:40 jcamins       Manderson: you can see the indexes in etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/koha-biblio-zebradefs.xsl
16:39 francharb     jcamins, what? before you're patch, the relink was or wasn't during the cataloguing?
16:39 jcamins       cait: I'd rather spend a couple hundred on hard drives.
16:39 cait          jcamins: true
16:39 cait          jcamins: yes, that is true -but if the database is only used for search and nothing else... shouldn't it be possible ot keep them in control? (the changes)
16:39 jcamins       Local changes are anathema to easy troubleshooting.
16:38 jcamins       cait: slimming it down would involve local changes to Zebra config files.
16:38 francharb     hey cait ! :)
16:38 cait          but... the train is moving again at least
16:38 * cait        waves at francharb
16:38 cait          but it could be the annoying train travel
16:38 cait          jcamins: you are confusing me.
16:38 * jcamins     thinks not.
16:38 jcamins       cait: yeah, but does that really seem like a good idea?
16:37 cait          jcamins: in that case it should be possible to slim it down a lot
16:37 jcamins       francharb: that's the way it worked before the patch.
16:37 cait          jcamins: aaah now I get you
16:37 jcamins       magnuse: that's the doubling.
16:37 magnuse       and then there is shadow indexing
16:37 francharb     jcamins, last question (sorry! I feel like being annoying! ;^) : I was reading Biblio.pm and there is this comment  "# By default we probably don't want to relink things when cataloging". Do you remember what you meant? I can't see when the relink can be processed if not during cataloguing actually...
16:37 jcamins       So a lot of the indexes we use in Koha probably won't actually be used.
16:37 Manderson     Is the list of what is actually indexed on the wiki? Or should I go rooting in the zebra.cnf?
16:37 jcamins       In Manderson's case, he's planning for a database used only for federated search via PazPar2.
16:36 cait          I am not sure i can follow you right now
16:36 cait          jcamins: hm?
16:36 jcamins       So we're looking at keyword, title, subject, and maybe author.
16:36 cait          but soem are probably only used under very special circumstances
16:36 jcamins       cait: this is an external database.
16:36 cait          %
16:35 cait          hm maybe 80
16:35 jcamins       I'd say 99% of the indexes are likely to be unused.
16:35 cait          jcamins: you are talking to me too much, it damages your english
16:35 jcamins       We have a huge number of indexes.
16:35 cait          we index a lot of things
16:35 Manderson     I'm not too much concerned about actual storage space as I am about how big the indexes are...
16:35 jcamins       wtf is with my English?
16:35 jcamins       *lack of disk space
16:34 Manderson     ouch
16:34 * jcamins     would actually double that allowance, come to think of it.
16:34 jcamins       When the index fails 990k records in due to loss of disk space, you'll be _really_ unhappy.
16:33 jcamins       (for a total usable space of 2TB.
16:33 jcamins       *four
16:33 jcamins       right now you can requisition for 1TB drives and stick them in the server.
16:33 jcamins       Let me put it this way:
16:32 Manderson     Wow! Really?
16:32 jcamins       Assume 1GB per 50k records.
16:31 jcamins       There is not, exactly.
16:31 Manderson     Wonder if there's a ratio of index size to db size
16:31 jcamins       1M records...
16:30 cait          I think
16:30 cait          more gb then mb then
16:30 Manderson     Let's just say with a DB containing 1M biblio records with associated items.
16:30 Manderson     Can someone give me an estimate for how large the zebra indexes can get for larger catalogs? Are we looking at hundreds of megabytes? Gigabytes?
16:20 francharb     :)
16:20 jcamins       Yay!
16:20 jcamins       You're welcome. :)
16:20 francharb     it's clear now!
16:20 francharb     thank you
16:19 francharb     \0/
16:19 jcamins       Exactly.
16:19 francharb     kov, Jared--Coin collections" because the linker goes through the autority file, find the good one and is able to relink the autority to the heading.
16:19 francharb     So if a librarian manually links a heading to the authority for "Camins-Esakov, Jared--Bibliography" (meaning that he used the authority plugin to chose it within the authority file) then changes it to "Camins-Esakov, Jared--Coin collections" (meaning that he changed the heading within the biblio not using the authority plugin). if CatalogModuleRelink is set to "Do," the heading will get linked to the authority for "Camins-Esa
16:19 wahanui       i already had it that way, francharb.
16:19 francharb     CatalogModuleRelink sets whether the linker is run after a librarian manually edits the record.
16:19 francharb     jcamins, it all became clearer but I still have a little bit of greyness in the final understanding! I'm going to rewrite your example. could you tell me if i'm right?
16:03 reiveune      bye
15:59 francharb     sure! :)
15:58 jcamins       Detailed bug reports explaining when it doesn't work are always welcomed.
15:57 jcamins       You're welcome.
15:57 francharb     :)
15:57 francharb     thanks!
15:57 francharb     thank you very much! I think I have enought information to explane it to the librarians I'm working with and see if it's relevant for them!
15:55 jcamins       That's correct. If LinkerRelink is set to "Don't," the linker will _never_ relink a heading.
15:55 francharb     (thank you for you patience!) ;)
15:54 francharb     ok
15:54 * jcamins     can't remember. Let me check.
15:53 francharb     even if you turn CatalogModuleRelink to "Do"?
15:53 jcamins       Right.
15:50 francharb     so with your previous example, the link won't change?
15:49 jcamins       With LinkerRelink set to "Don't," no link will ever be changed.
15:49 francharb     ;)
15:49 francharb     s/so what/so what is/
15:49 francharb     jcamins, so what the difference with " LinkerRelink "?
15:48 francharb     ok
15:48 jcamins       Exactly.
15:48 francharb     jcamins, when you say "manually link a heading" what does it mean? the librarian use the authority plugin to retrieve the authority, right?
15:47 jcamins       But it will use your entire authority file for linking.
15:47 francharb     ok
15:46 jcamins       It will not change existing bib records unless you tell it to.
15:46 francharb     jcamins, it means the linker doesn't work only for new authorities but with every authorities previously catalogued, right?
15:46 jcamins       So if a librarian manually links a heading to the authority for Camins-Esakov, Jared--Bibliography then changes it to Camins-Esakov, Jared--Coin collections, if CatalogModuleRelink is set to "Do," the heading will get linked to the authority for Camins-Esakov, Jared--Coin collections.
15:45 francharb     ok
15:45 jcamins       CatalogModuleRelink sets whether the linker is run after a librarian manually edits the record.
15:44 jcamins       However, you may not even need it with UNIMARC, since your authorities generally involve only one subdivision.
15:44 francharb     and explanation as well about this one
15:44 francharb     I found your patch
15:44 francharb     then, I have hard time to understand " CatalogModuleRelink "
15:44 francharb     ok
15:44 jcamins       Oh, and, of course, you have to run it once when you first start using Koha.
15:43 francharb     ok! understood! :)
15:43 jcamins       Or loading authorities after bibs.
15:43 jcamins       You need the cron job only if you are reloading authorities.
15:43 jcamins       No.
15:43 jcamins       link_bibs_to_authorities.pl obeys the syspref.
15:42 francharb     Do I need to set up the cronjob to make the linkers work?
15:42 francharb     first : it 's the relation between link_bibs_to_authorities.pl and the syspref
15:42 jcamins       Of course!
15:42 jcamins       francharb: what are you having trouble with?
15:42 francharb     Can I ask you some question?
15:41 jcamins       Manderson: that's a shame. :P
15:41 francharb     but it's not clear to me
15:41 Manderson     YEs
15:41 wahanui       item information is, like, interesting
15:41 jcamins       Manderson: item information.
15:41 francharb     hey, jcamins I'm trying to understand this : http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bug7284_authority_matching_improvement#Improved_Koha.27s_authority_linker_cron_job_.28misc.2Flink_bibs_to_authorities.pl.29
15:41 wahanui       somebody said availability information was passed in directly by C4::Search.
15:41 Manderson     jcamins: availability information?
15:40 francharb     jcamins, hi!
15:40 jcamins       Hi francharb!
15:40 francharb     hope everyone is doing well
15:40 francharb     hey there
15:40 jcamins       Is there availability information in those records?
15:40 jcamins       Yeah, separate Zebra index is the way to go.
15:40 Manderson     :)
15:40 Manderson     We're CCRRRRAAAAZZZYYYY
15:39 Manderson     We do it multiple times per week
15:39 Manderson     Pretty large data sets.
15:39 jcamins       You wouldn't want to import that many every week.
15:39 jcamins       Yes.
15:39 Manderson     Millions.
15:39 jcamins       how many records?
15:39 jcamins       Well...
15:37 Manderson     that's how I have it planned in my head
15:35 Manderson     But you think it would have to be via Z3950 server and separate zebra indexes?
15:35 jcamins       So, yeah, totally doable.
15:35 jcamins       Koha can't fix political issues.
15:35 Manderson     LOL
15:35 jcamins       There we go.
15:35 wahanui       problem is it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes.
15:35 jcamins       problem?
15:35 wahanui       the problem is, like, that on order is not treated differently than the other not for loan values
15:35 jcamins       the problem?
15:35 wahanui       somebody said the problem was that on order is not treated differently than the other not for loan values
15:35 jcamins       the problem?
15:35 Manderson     hahhaha
15:35 jcamins       You're right.
15:34 Manderson     it's an awful setup.
15:34 Manderson     *sigh*
15:34 Manderson     But our customers want to query their data...
15:34 Manderson     Our customers get a full copy of another library's catalog. The other library is on a closed network, so we don't have access to it.
15:33 jcamins       Why do you do that? I think probably Koha offers you a solution that isn't awful.
15:33 * jcamins     wouldn't be able to use IRC if he had to do that... he would've bludgeoned himself to death with the nearest blunt object.
15:32 Manderson     This is what we go through now, unfortunately.
15:32 jcamins       Better to just query the actual catalog directly.
15:32 jcamins       You'd have to sync the data daily with the actual catalog.
15:31 jcamins       It'd be possible, but I'd say it'd be a pretty terrible idea.
15:31 Manderson     of course, I'd have to have a separate zebra server for each one, I suppose
15:31 Manderson     What I am thinking is that I could import them, and have them running on their own z3950 server so that it would be a federated search
15:31 jcamins       You'll just go crazy trying to deal with syncing.
15:30 jcamins       If the canonical source of data isn't Koha, don't put the data into a Koha installation.
15:30 jcamins       You could, but shouldn't.
15:30 jcamins       Ah.
15:29 Manderson     different name of course
15:29 Manderson     Well, meaning, if I got a copy of their actual mysql database, could I import that as a new database on the same server as mine?
15:29 jcamins       Koha supports federated searching via Z39.50.
15:29 vfernandes    ok thanks jcamins
15:28 jcamins       Manderson: if you mean federated searching, yes.
15:28 jcamins       Tell the client they need to reduce the number of results per page if they want it to be faster.
15:28 Manderson     Well, if I had three different library catalogs and I wanted to combine them into one 'logical' library without disturbing the other outside catalogs.
15:28 jcamins       vfernandes: since you're on 3.2.10, I don't think there's anything you can do about performance.
15:27 jcamins       Manderson: what do you mean?
15:27 jcamins       Yup.
15:27 Manderson     Does Koha support multiple catalogs?
15:27 jcamins       Unfortunately, I think I have some bad news for you... the syspref was added in 3.4, as I recall.
15:27 vfernandes    how to disable COinS
15:26 jcamins       Just rolls off the tongue, doesn't it?
15:26 jcamins       ContextObject in Span.
15:26 jcamins       *stands for; CO...
15:25 jcamins       Yeah. I don't know what it stands for CO in Span, I think.
15:25 oleonard      150 is a lot!
15:25 vfernandes    COinS?
15:25 jcamins       With COinS enabled.
15:25 vfernandes    yes that's what the client wants
15:24 jcamins       You have 150 on a page.
15:24 jcamins       It's the number of results.
15:24 jcamins       Simply upgrading the system might be what's called for, of course.
15:24 jcamins       And reduce the number of results shown per page.
15:23 jcamins       You can disable COinS on the results page, and itemtype icons.
15:23 jcamins       I thought you meant improving the results.
15:23 jcamins       It's not Zebra that takes so long.
15:22 jcamins       If you mean, "is there an easy way to improve things?" the answer is no, unfortunately.
15:22 vfernandes    http://catalogo.biblioteca.iscte-iul.pt/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=computer it takes sometimes 15 seconds to return results
15:22 jcamins       I'm starting 1(b).ii. and 1(b).iii.
15:22 jcamins       ^^ there is the proposal.
15:22 wahanui       Search rewrite is probably http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/C_&_P_Search_Rewrite_RFC
15:22 jcamins       Search rewrite?
15:22 jcamins       vfernandes: yes, that's why I have proposed a search rewrite.
15:21 vfernandes    it's possible to improve Zebra searches?
15:21 vfernandes    hi guys
15:15 cait          bye
15:15 cait          getting ready to switch trains... again
15:14 oleonard      I see chris_n, thanks.
15:14 cait          jcamins: love that idea
15:13 oleonard      Yes?
15:13 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9017 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Quote of the day: Table footer not translated
15:13 chris_n       oleonard: bug 9017
15:13 huginn        jcamins: The operation succeeded.
15:13 jcamins       @later tell rangi Would it be possible for you to set it up so that we can step bug statuses on Bugzilla backwards? (Pushed to Master->Passed QA, Passed QA->Signed Off, Signed Off->Needs Signoff)
15:07 cait          hm ok
15:07 jcamins       And "non-linear" doesn't mean that updates would be applied out of order by default.
15:07 jcamins       cait: it'd still require a complete rewrite of the update system.
15:05 cait          jcamins: hm, but couldn't it be done? even with linear?
15:04 jcamins       That's one of the arguments for the non-linear updates.
15:04 jcamins       oleonard: updatedatabase as it works now does not provide any possibility of listing upgrades that will be performed.
15:02 oleonard      We really need a system of user preferences to go along with user permissions.
14:59 cait          or for use with serial items
14:59 cait          I think hte bigger university libraries with lots of branches maybe
14:59 cait          yep
14:58 oleonard      It's only my assumption that the filter feature is being added for a library that has so many items they can't easily find it by scanning the list
14:58 oleonard      I don't know.
14:57 cait          but what is X?
14:57 cait          oleonard: sounds like a good thought to me
14:56 oleonard      I'm not sure how to handle 9034... Perhaps only trigger the filters if there are more than X attached items?
14:56 oleonard      I'd like to see 9044 tied either to patron category or to a permission
14:55 cait          maybe we need prefs or permissions to be able to create an easier view?
14:55 cait          do you have ideas how to make it work? :(
14:54 cait          well, that's not really good
14:54 cait          lol
14:53 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9044 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Allow to select items on catalogue/detail.pl and trigger actions
14:53 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9034 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Add sorting and filtering on items table (catalogue/detail.pl)
14:53 oleonard      Between Bug 9034 and Bug 9044 the detail page is starting to look like this: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3476/3361558523_7f5213360f.jpg
14:27 oleonard      Man, Firefox has been crashy crashy this week. I wish I knew whether it was the browser or the addons.
14:01 cait          oleonard: I think he spent too much time at meetings maybe
14:01 oleonard      Or maybe not /enough/!
14:01 druthb        too many carbs, it sounds like.
13:59 * chris_n     wonders what oleonard had for breakfast
13:59 chris_n       lol
13:57 oleonard      chris_n: We should put in a memo to corporate asking authorization to requisition a work order to develop a spec on defining a committee to explore that option
13:53 chris_n       too bad installer does not bold or red this: Warning to Koha System Administrators: If you use borrower attributes.....
13:51 * cait        nods
13:49 oleonard      Just an idle thought.
13:48 oleonard      Yes, the comments in updatedatabase.pl.
13:47 cait          so before doing it, already show the comments for the updates?
13:46 cait          aah
13:46 oleonard      When you have to update the database?
13:46 cait          oleonard: hm?
13:45 oleonard      Seems sensible to give you an idea of what is going to happen.
13:44 oleonard      I wish the update page that said "We're updating you from 3.09.00.xxx to 3.09.00.xxx" was the page that showed what updates were going to be performed.
13:21 * magnuse     needs some fresh air now
13:20 magnuse       time from booting a fresh linode to logging in to koha as myself: 30 minutes :-)
13:18 oleonard      Hi #koha
13:06 magnuse       this looks like it is going smoother, yes :-)
12:55 magnuse       okelydokely, and thanks jcamins
12:53 jcamins       Then, yeah, i386 would probably be more convenient.
12:50 magnuse       i just want to have a server where my customers can test 3.10 with their own data
12:49 magnuse       i'll try that
12:48 magnuse       yay :-)
12:48 jcamins       I understand it Just Works.
12:48 magnuse       ah
12:48 jcamins       32-bit is definitely a lot easier.
12:47 magnuse       could 32 bit be better? this is way over my voodoo level...
12:45 jcamins       I suspect I built the amd64 packages incorrectly.
12:44 magnuse       kia ora NateC!
12:41 magnuse       hm, i'm trying to just install the official packages, not build my own, this time
12:40 magnuse       "sudo dpkg --print-architecture" says amd64
12:40 jcamins       The easy thing to do is simply delete CHI from the dependency list when building the package.
12:39 * jcamins     isn't sure how to fix it this morning.
12:37 tcohen        morning #koha
12:37 jcamins       I think I still have the build scripts.
12:37 huginn        tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba Aerodrome, Argentina is 20.0°C (9:00 AM ART on November 09, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.64 in 1004 hPa (Rising).
12:37 tcohen        @wunder Cordoba, Argentina
12:36 jcamins       Oh, maybe that has to do with the fact that I use pbuilder on Ubuntu now...
12:34 jcamins       I can't find it in my bash history.
12:34 magnuse       ah
12:34 magnuse       or is that reserved for eythian the high wizard of packages? ;-)
12:34 jcamins       No. :(
12:34 magnuse       do you know the magic?
12:32 jcamins       Unfortunately, it looks like they still aren't installing without some sort of magic.
12:32 jcamins       I got from eythian that the package was i386 only, so I built x64 packages.
12:32 * jcamins     either.
12:31 magnuse       ...but didn't understand much of
12:31 jcamins       Yeah.
12:31 magnuse       ah the multiarch thing i saw someone talking about?
12:31 jcamins       I thought eythian and I fixed it.
12:31 jcamins       It was the architecture.
12:30 jcamins       I had that problem.
12:30 magnuse       looks like CHI is the problem
12:30 magnuse       i'm doing squeeze-dev, not squeeze
12:29 pastebot      "magnuse" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "installing squeeze-dev" (70 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/265
12:28 magnuse       one sec
12:28 magnuse       jcamins: not for me. i'm on a freshly installed linode
12:28 jcamins       What error are you getting?
12:27 jcamins_away  And it does for me.
12:27 jcamins_away  magnuse: yes.
12:26 huginn        magnuse: The operation succeeded.
12:26 magnuse       @later tell jcamins: shouldn't "sudo apt-get install koha-common" work on debian 6.0.6?
11:59 magnuse       will investigate further, but not now
11:59 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9028 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Optionally show only the number of available copies in result lists in OPAC
11:59 magnuse       not sure if bug 9028 is a duplicate of 5079, i have marked them as "See Also" at least
11:54 magnuse       yeah
11:54 cait1         magnuse: maybe, but could be a third setting?
11:54 magnuse       hm, sounds like  OPACItemsResultsDisplay would still let all the branch names be shown, not just "Available copies: 24"?
11:52 magnuse       cait++
11:50 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5079 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, elliott, Needs Signoff , Make display of shelving location and call number in XSLT results controlled by sysprefs
11:50 cait1         bug 5079
11:50 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7441 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Patch doesn't apply , search results showing wrong branch?
11:50 cait1         bug 7441
11:50 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5229 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , OPACItemsResultsDisplay preference does not work with XSLT results
11:50 cait1         bug 5229
11:47 magnuse       where's eythian when you need him? ;-)
11:46 magnuse       huh, i can't install the "Development Version" of the packages on Debian 6.0.6?
08:18 magnuse       http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?list_id=45924&bug_severity=blocker&bug_severity=critical&bug_severity=major&bug_severity=normal&bug_severity=minor&bug_severity=trivial&query_format=advanced&bug_status=In%20Discussion&bug_status=Needs%20Signoff&version=3.10&version=master
08:18 magnuse       Severity: blocker, critical, major, normal, minor, trivial + Status: In Discussion, Needs Signoff + Version: 3.10, master = 42 bugs
08:15 cait          hi matts :)
08:15 matts         hi !
08:00 magnuse       hiya cait
08:00 magnuse       Patch does not apply: 36
07:59 cait          morning
07:59 magnuse       Failed QA: 98
07:59 magnuse       In discussion: 80
07:59 magnuse       Needs signoff: 108
07:57 magnuse       hiya Joubu
07:56 Joubu         hello #koha
07:48 magnuse       ooh, the global bug squashing weekend is already started: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2012-11-09_Global_bug_squashing_weekend
07:46 reiveune      salut magnuse :)
07:46 magnuse       hiya reiveune
07:46 reiveune      hello
07:45 sophie_m      hi magnuse
07:45 julian_m      hello magnuse
07:45 magnuse       bonjour julian_m paul_p sophie_m
07:34 magnuse       not too bad
07:34 magnuse       hehe
07:34 alex_a        ouch
07:34 huginn        magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0°C (8:20 AM CET on November 09, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady).
07:34 magnuse       @wunder boo
07:34 huginn        magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 11.0°C (8:00 AM CET on November 09, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
07:34 magnuse       @wunder marseille
07:33 alex_a        bonjour magnuse
07:25 magnuse       bonjour alex_a
07:24 alex_a        bonjour
07:13 * druthb      heads to bed.
07:08 druthb        probably.
07:07 * magnuse     is assuming it's triggered by the mib_ part
07:07 magnuse       that's nice
07:07 magnuse       ooh #dancer has a bot that says things like "Welcome mib_y3vb63!  Feel free to use /nick yournickhere to select a nicer nick.  If you need any help, ask away - there's usually someone around to help."
07:04 druthb        :)
07:04 magnuse       lol
07:04 druthb_       She does that all the time.
07:04 druthb        I do that all the time.
07:04 magnuse       yay you can talk to yourself now :-)
07:03 druthb_       :P
07:02 druthb        a-yup.  I need to coax AndroIRC on my tablet yet, but that'll keep.
07:02 magnuse       and now you can forget about it and just let it do its job :-)
07:01 druthb        Then had to coax Pidgin on my laptop to talk to it...
07:01 druthb        I used the autoconfig script, and that helped.
07:01 druthb        yep.
07:00 magnuse       but it kinda cool once it's running
07:00 * magnuse     found the config file for bip somewhat daunting
07:00 druthb        I'm lovin' it!
06:58 magnuse       that would do it :-)
06:58 magnuse       ah
06:57 druthb        I've been tweaking bip. :)
06:57 druthb        Hi, magnuse. :)
06:57 magnuse       hang in there druthb :-)
06:52 * magnuse     waves
06:47 * druthb      scratches her head.
06:30 francharb     0/ druthb
06:30 druthb        g'morning, francharb! :)
06:30 francharb     good morning all
06:29 druthb        bip++
05:51 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8989 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Availability facet needs an id
05:51 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8972 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Due Date set to 100 years ago.
05:51 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8832 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , can't enter a tax rate on vendor or when ordering
05:51 jenkins_koha  * jcamins: Bug 8832: Increment version number
05:51 jenkins_koha  * oleonard: Bug 8989 - Availability facet needs an id
05:51 jenkins_koha  * oleonard: Bug 8972 - Due Date set to 100 years ago
05:51 jenkins_koha  * jonathan.druart: Bug 8832: Update the gist pref and hide the tax rate value if not needed
05:51 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_master build #936: SUCCESS in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/936/
05:41 * druthb      does a happy-geek dance.
05:35 druthb        wahoo!  Got a pootle server breathing!
04:43 jenkins_koha  Starting build #936 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
04:43 mtj           it was simplier to fix, and allows people to use that marc-tag in the future
04:42 mtj           ultimately his patch probably was the best choice
04:41 mtj           nuno's patch was just to add the coded_location_qualifier col to items table
04:41 mtj           my patch was to remove coded_location_qualifier stuff from the frameworks, as it was never used...
04:40 jcamins       Got it.
04:40 mtj           yep, pretty much
04:37 jcamins       You wrote a patch, it was signed off, it failed QA, and then Nuno wrote a counter-patch that was signed off and passed QA?
04:36 jcamins       I'm having some trouble following that bug.
04:36 mtj           i qae-ed Nuño's patch
04:35 jcamins       Good. :)
04:35 jcamins       Okay.
04:35 mtj           no
04:35 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6428 normal, P2, ---, nunyo, Passed QA , refered column 'items.coded_location_qualifier' does not exist
04:35 jcamins       mtj: did you QA your own patch on bug 6428?
04:34 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_8832' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=736baf6ade69449dd42a62e77ed44cb0c83a09df> / Bug 8832: Increment version number <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=06016055c6689f29d28f6e5053d76ccfc041a436> / Bug 8989 - Availability facet needs an id <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1bf83bae8415443505e687220e
04:33 jcamins       Okay, pushed a couple of patches.
04:28 jcamins       Never mind.
04:28 jcamins       That's weird.
04:28 jcamins       Oh, wait.
04:22 jcamins       A test saved me from pushing a broken master.
04:22 jcamins       tests++
03:33 * druthb      must now go look at the logs, to see what *that* was about...
03:33 huginn        druthb: jcamins was last seen in #koha 14 minutes and 26 seconds ago: <jcamins> Are you going to get killed on an away mission? Nooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!
03:33 druthb        @seen jcamins
03:33 wahanui       jcamins is RM for 3.12, and just about the only one crazy enough to work on major projects in both authorities and search.
03:33 druthb        wahanui: jcamins?
03:31 druthb        o/
03:26 mtj           but then again… i dont know any Koha dev that would say they do completely understand either of those 2 sysprefs
03:23 mtj           for me, 'item-level_itypes' and 'independant_branches' have been two things ive never really understood in Koha :/
03:19 mtj           http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/groups-celebrate-gay-red-shirt-day-today-5206860
03:18 jcamins       Are you going to get killed on an away mission? Nooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!
03:18 jcamins       Red shirt?
03:17 rangi         most ppl were like me and forgot i think
03:17 mtj           hows your big gay red-shirt day going over there, chris?
03:16 rangi         but now im done for the week
03:16 rangi         mtj: jcamins just reminded me the display is a lot nicer with biblio level itemtypes
03:15 jcamins       Thanks.
03:15 mtj           i just did
03:14 jcamins       Who QAed 8989?
03:13 rangi         thats why it is there
03:13 rangi         yes
03:13 mtj           is that a feature?
03:12 rangi         circulation rules use that itemtype
03:12 mtj           so, idiot-mode here -  what does having a koha with item-level_itypes set to bibs, do?
03:11 rangi         so dont remove that feature then :)
03:11 mtj           yeah, i gotta agree :/
03:11 rangi         and theres still stuff like catalogue maintenance that i havent put back yet
03:11 rangi         is putting shit back
03:11 rangi         at least 70% of the bugs i have fixed in the last 7 years
03:10 rangi         because they dont use them themselves
03:10 rangi         i wish people would stop removing features people use
03:10 rangi         i definitely dont
03:10 jcamins       I'm not sure I agree with that.
03:09 mtj           the real fix is to finally remove 'item-level_itypes' syspref , and hardcode it to 'item'
03:09 jcamins       Wouldn't be such a problem if we did things sanely.
03:08 jcamins       The way kados decided to do frameworks was damn stupid.
03:08 mtj           hmm, yeah i can a bug around this… :/
03:07 jcamins       mtj: the problem with that is that if you switch the syspref, the framework won't respect that.
03:07 mtj           … therefore, that 942-itemtype should be set off, too?
03:06 jcamins       rangi: in principle, 001 should have biblionumber and 003 should have some sort of library identifier, always.
03:06 mtj           so, item-level_itypes is set to item, not bib -  by default
03:05 rangi         otherwise all your circ, is a mess
03:04 rangi         with itemlevelitemtypes
03:04 jcamins       Right.
03:04 jcamins       Ohhh.
03:04 jcamins       rangi says not to.
03:04 rangi         unless your patch respects the syspref
03:04 mtj           no?
03:04 jcamins       Oh, no, don't do that.
03:04 rangi         mtj: dont do that
03:04 jcamins       mtj: that makes sense to me.
03:04 mtj           it is currently - and it bugs me stupid! i wanna send a patch to disable that, on new installs
03:04 jcamins       rangi: I'm not sure, honestly.
03:03 mtj           heres are related Q… should 942-itemtype be a required field, when cataloging?
03:00 rangi         i could try to read the specs
03:00 rangi         jcamins: shoudl 003 be mandatory?
03:00 huginn        rangi: The MARC code for the organization whose control number is contained in field 001 (Control Number). []
03:00 rangi         @marc 003
02:56 jcamins       Mmm.
02:52 mtj           and a little dash of butter
02:51 mtj           tahini and homemade peanut-butter on sourdough , over here
02:46 * jcamins     is making rum chocolate chip cookies.
02:46 mtj           (not quite sure that i've earned one yet :/ )
02:45 mtj           yeah, im def. thinking about beer about now…
02:38 wahanui       OK, jcamins.
02:38 jcamins       wahanui: beer o'clock is a vital part of the Koha development process.
02:38 eythian       it's approaching.
02:37 jcamins       beer o'clock?
02:34 wahanui       wish i knew, eythian
02:34 eythian       wahanui: are you there?
02:33 eythian       wahanui: isitbeeroclockyet?
02:33 eythian       wahanui: isitbeero'clockyet?
02:33 eythian       wahanui: is it beer o'clock yet?
01:45 mtj           … thus encouraging them to log annoying warning they spot
01:44 mtj           any opinions? i was thinking an omnibus bug might be a little less hassle for people...
01:43 mtj           so, do we log a new bug for every warning message spotted, or just paste them all in that bug?
01:42 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8817 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , omnibus bug for warning messages
01:42 mtj           ive created an 'omnibus' bug here -> bug 8817
01:42 mtj           anyone got a good suggestion for logging bugs for warning messages in koha
01:38 Manderson     Thank you - this is a learning process for me :)
01:35 jcamins       Yay!
01:34 Manderson     That picked them up!
01:33 Manderson     I'll try that
01:32 jcamins       If -r didn't pick them up, you neglected to click "save."
01:32 jcamins       With -r or -z?
01:31 Manderson     jcamins: I just ran in manually
01:31 Manderson     Ok, it got the one that I manually cataloged, but the ones I've attempted to import via z3950 still haven't been indexed...
01:30 jcamins       It only runs every n minutes.
01:29 Manderson     Of course, when I ask you, it now does it.
01:29 rangi         have a look at crontab.example file
01:29 rangi         should run it with -z
01:29 rangi         yep
01:29 Manderson     that's the rebuild_zebra.pl script, correct?
01:29 rangi         lol
01:29 * jcamins     is done answering questions until he's _sure_ rangi isn't responding too.
01:29 jcamins       Right, that's it!
01:28 jcamins       You don't have your cron job set up, and you're reindexing when you do a bulk import.
01:28 jcamins       Yes.
01:28 rangi         you dont have your cron jobs set up to reindex?
01:28 Manderson     When I catalog something manually, or import it from Z3950, it doesn't show up in the catalog, but if I do a bulk import, all those will show up - any idea what's going on?
01:18 Manderson     Thanks for the input, guys!
01:16 jcamins       rangi++
01:16 jcamins       Good plan.
01:16 rangi         i think ill just sign off some patches instead
01:16 rangi         however to change that to utc, would involve a lot of changes
01:15 rangi         yeah we just use whatever the servers locale is
01:15 eythian       hmm, true
01:15 jcamins       We store times only in one locale.
01:14 jcamins       eythian: I don't think that's how it would work.
01:14 eythian       It's not always the best idea (though it might be in this case.) E.g. you might want "17:00" to mean 5pm no matter the time zone for some cases.
01:13 rangi         however im sure as hell not going to try and implement that now :)
01:13 jcamins       I'd think we ought to, at least.
01:12 rangi         he's right, wtf arent we storing in utc ?
01:12 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9031 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Overdue items crossing DST boundary throw invalid local time exception
01:12 rangi         bug 9031
01:11 mtj           rangi++ perfect
01:10 rangi         there did my best
01:10 wahanui       eythian: jcamins =is= RM for 3.12, and just about the only one crazy enough to work on major projects in both authorities and search.|brilliant|too young to be the President of the United States.  Which is a pity, because he had the votes at the 3.12 election.
01:10 eythian       wahanui: literal jcamins
01:09 mtj           ah, sorry - i was fishing for wahanui's recent quote for you…. but its changed
01:08 jcamins       mtj: yes?
01:07 eythian       There's a big gap inbetween the two edges.
01:07 wahanui       it has been said that jcamins is too young to be the President of the United States.  Which is a pity, because he had the votes at the 3.12 election.
01:07 mtj           jcamins?
01:07 jcamins       It doesn't happen frequently, it just doesn't happen infrequently.
01:07 jcamins       And eythian's translation of my sentence was accurate.
01:07 rangi         ill have a go
01:07 * jcamins     would not manage to do it diplomatically.
01:06 rangi         yep, i think replying and saying, please ask on the mailing list for support questions or contact a support vendor
01:05 jcamins       That person is treating Bugzilla like we're a support vendor.
01:05 jcamins       You'll also almost certainly crash your server.
01:04 jcamins       If you manage to deadlock two indexing processes, you'll corrupt your indexes.
01:04 jcamins       Well, that's not entirely true.
01:04 jcamins       Indexes aren't updated in realtime.
01:04 jcamins       Nope, nothing to do with contention.
01:02 Manderson     :P
01:01 eythian       no, just not infrequently
01:00 Manderson     So....it happens frequently? :)
01:00 Manderson     "It does happen not infrequently"
01:00 Manderson     Trying to decipher your last sentence...
00:59 Manderson     Bulk imports occuring simultaneously or maybe concurrent cataloging?
00:59 Manderson     Wondering if it has to do with contention..?
00:58 jcamins       No, in all honesty I have no idea. It does happen not infrequently, though.
00:58 jcamins       Sneezing is a common one.
00:58 Manderson     I was just reading about how to recover from a corrupted index, but I'm wondering what the liklihood of something like that happening is?
00:58 jcamins       Manderson: many things.
00:57 Manderson     jcamins: what might cause a zebra index to become corrupted?
00:48 jcamins       I hate it when I do that.
00:48 * jcamins     sighs.
00:48 jcamins       Answer: right next to my computer, you dummy.
00:48 mtj           its a 'two birds, with one stone' thing :)
00:47 mtj           if a bunch of us devs switched to mariadb now, we could be testing koha+maria as we do our everyday koha work
00:47 jcamins       Where would I have put my magnifying glass and loupe?
00:46 jcamins       Agreed.
00:45 mtj           my reasoning is… it's wise to start testing on maria *before* mysql/oracle explodes
00:45 jcamins       You'll catch more problems.
00:45 jcamins       That's good.
00:43 mtj           ive even been QA-ing on my master+maria setup  (sshhh)
00:42 mtj           … and ive being running maria for 6 weeks now (just checked)
00:42 jcamins       I think he fixed it.
00:42 mtj           yeah, i heard he bumped into some incompatible sql, back then - ive get to find any...
00:40 jcamins       Or something like that.
00:40 jcamins       I think he ran into two problematic queries that he patched, and that was it.
00:40 mtj           i did the switch the day after we last meet (japanese with kate) and so far… no problems at all?!
00:39 jcamins       chris_n tried Koha w/MariaDB.
00:39 tcohen        should work out of the box
00:39 jcamins_away  Worth a try.
00:38 eythian       not a bad idea.
00:38 rangi         cant hurt
00:38 mtj           hmmm, i might write an email to koha-dev encourging people to start deving/testing koha stuff, on mariadb
00:37 mtj           the 'toolbox' analogy :)
00:36 mtj           aah, ive read this one before
00:36 eythian       it is
00:35 mtj           wow, that veekun post is detailed
00:33 eythian       it was looking bored
00:33 mtj           robin, stop taunting the bot
00:02 wahanui       okay, eythian.
00:02 eythian       wahanui: php is also http://www.php.net/goto