Time  Nick         Message
00:06 cait         @wunder Konstanz
00:06 huginn       cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 1.0°C (1:00 AM CET on October 31, 2012). Conditions: Partial Fog. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1009 hPa (Falling).
00:38 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @paulcnielsen: "@ranginui @mrhannahleeb sure you did. You made the leap and showed what you and #kohails can do. Better get my vote in"
01:27 eythian      wahanui: zippy
01:27 wahanui      eythian: excuse me?
01:28 rangi        yowie?
01:28 eythian      wahanui: yow
01:28 wahanui      Being a BALD HERO is almost as FESTIVE as a TATTOOED KNOCKWURST.
01:38 wizzyrea     I... I don't even know where to begin with that.
01:39 rangi        did i show you this one
01:39 rangi        @quote get 221
01:39 huginn       rangi: Quote #221: "I used to be sane like you, until I took a MARC data to the knee" (added by chrisc at 09:28 PM, October 23, 2012)
01:42 wizzyrea     looooool
01:42 wizzyrea     we really need a little screen that does nothing but randomly show quotes from the channel :P
01:42 wizzyrea     i'd be giggling all day.
01:43 rangi        oh yes when we build our dashboard app for the koha team here, we can make it do that
01:43 rangi        @quote random
01:43 huginn       rangi: Quote #47: "pianohacker bah, go collision attack the front of a moving car" (added by brendan at 10:15 PM, November 16, 2009)
01:44 wizzyrea     *giggles*
01:44 bag          :)
01:50 rangi        @quote random
01:50 huginn       rangi: Quote #19: "<chris> i just want to yell things like don't kick the ball, pass it and Feed the backs" (added by jdavidb at 12:11 PM, July 27, 2009)
01:51 wizzyrea     @quote random
01:51 huginn       wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
01:51 wizzyrea     keke
01:51 wizzyrea     123?
01:51 wahanui      123 is probably the authid. $9 is the subfield marker.
01:51 wizzyrea     ooh no
01:51 wizzyrea     forget 123
01:51 wahanui      wizzyrea: I forgot 123
01:51 wizzyrea     123 is <reply> "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder"
01:52 wizzyrea     123?
01:52 wahanui      "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder"
02:35 rangi        @quote random
02:35 huginn       rangi: Quote #6: "gmcharlt: kf: hold requests are a plot to sell more aspirin ;)" (added by wizzyrea at 04:13 PM, June 16, 2009)
02:35 wizzyrea     screw aspirin - go straight for the oxycontin.
02:36 rangi        heh
02:36 wizzyrea     ;)
03:02 schnydszch   i'm trying out cloud-kw.pl.anybody help please. I'm running this script /cloud-kw.pl -v --conf=cloud-sample.conf. I'm getting this error: Uncaught exception from user code: 	Unable to read configuration file: cloud-sample.conf
03:03 schnydszch   what could be wrong? I have koha 3.8.4 installed in debian 6.0
03:04 eythian      It's saying that it can't read the configuration file "cloud-sample.conf"
03:05 schnydszch   do i have to chmod it?
03:05 schnydszch   or there's something i need to change in the script?
03:05 eythian      I have no idea. Does the file exist, can it read it?
03:05 eythian      it's saying it can't so maybe it can't.
03:05 schnydszch   yes it exist
03:06 eythian      first question?
03:06 wahanui      "What are you trying to do?"  "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?"
03:06 eythian      no wahanui, first question is <reply>"What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
03:06 wahanui      okay, eythian.
03:06 schnydszch   i want the subject cloud feature work
03:07 rangi        do you use unimarc?
03:07 schnydszch   marc21
03:08 rangi        i suspect the config is not readable, or not in the format it expects then
03:09 schnydszch   the last time i had a subject cloud i can't remember what script put it there, maybe the cloud diminished when i run cleanup_database
03:09 rangi        you arent thinking of the tag cloud eh?
03:09 schnydszch   -rwxrwxrwx 1 koha koha   358 Oct 31 10:54 cloud-sample.conf
03:10 schnydszch   -rwxrwxrwx 1 koha koha   358 Oct 31 10:54 cloud-sample.conf    that's what i get when i ls -l it
06:04 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.
06:43 * magnuse    waves
06:51 francharb    hi
06:51 wahanui      what's up, francharb
07:15 alex_a       bonjour tout le monde
07:33 julian_m     hi
07:39 Maxie2012    Hello!
07:39 Maxie2012    Can anyone out there help me with a LAMP installation in VirtualBox?
07:42 Maxie2012    I've managed to download the package from the Turnkey Linux site and ran the package in VirtualBox, but it's prompting me to install the GRUB boot loader to the master boot record and I'm not sure if I should say Yes...
07:44 Maxie2012    I installed VirtualBox on my desktop PC running Windows 7 and this being the FIRST time for me installing VirtualBox, Linux and Koha, am worried that if I say Yes, it will cause a problem with my Windows access.
07:44 Maxie2012    Can anyone help...??
07:46 magnuse      as long as you are inside virtualbox you are safe
07:46 magnuse      it's asking to install grub in the *virtual* machine, not in your *real* machine
07:47 reiveune     hello
07:47 Maxie2012    oh ok...I kinda assumed that from what I managed to read in the various web sites, but just wanted to make sure...thanks!
07:49 Maxie2012    Another silly question...am I right then to understand that once I complete the LAMP installation, each time I want to run Debian/Koha, I need to get VirtualBox up and running and Start there?
07:56 magnuse      Maxie2012: correct. first run virtualbox, then start the virtual machine you want from within virtualbox
07:56 magnuse      (you can have lots of virtual machines set up, if you want)
07:59 cait         morning #koha
08:00 Maxie2012    So this means I could test Koha on different versions of Linux as well by creating different virtual machines...yes?
08:02 Maxie2012    The next big question for me is how do I start the installation of Koha...I'm assuming I have to do it within Debian...
08:03 gaetan_B     hello
08:04 cait         Maxie2012: Debian will be the easiest way t do it
08:05 cait         Maxie2012: or Ubuntu
08:05 cait         and yes, you can have different machines, you can save them and you can make snapshopts you can go back to if you mess something up
08:05 cait         virtual machines are good for learning
08:07 mtompset     Greetings, magnuse and cait.
08:07 mtompset     Greetings, gaetan_B.
08:08 magnuse      hiya mtompset cait et al
08:09 haze_misi    hi
08:10 haze_misi    hello my name is haze, i'm a new koha user
08:10 cait         hi haze
08:11 magnuse      @later tell jcamins: if you could take a look at Bug 8805 that would be super cool!
08:11 huginn       magnuse: The operation succeeded.
08:11 magnuse      welcome to the community haze :-)
08:12 vinz3g       hola
08:13 vinz3g       muy buenos días
08:14 vinz3g       hello
08:14 wahanui      que tal, vinz3g
08:14 vinz3g       acabao install Koha
08:14 vinz3g       and is working well
08:14 vinz3g       I have only one problem
08:15 vinz3g       and is that the only way I can connect as a client is from the server
08:15 vinz3g       but not from another machine
08:15 vinz3g       from another machine I can only connect as user
08:16 vinz3g       on the local machine, the domain works http://mysitio-intra.dominio.org
08:17 vinz3g       but from another computer I can only connect with http://192.168.1. *
08:18 mtompset     vinz3g: It's an apache configuration issue.
08:18 mtompset     Your other computer, is it a windows machine?
08:18 vinz3g       one
08:18 vinz3g       one
08:18 vinz3g       yes
08:18 mtompset     It could be a DNS issue too.
08:19 mtompset     Explaining networking problems is a difficult task.
08:19 vinz3g       Yes, I understand
08:20 mtompset     I'm not an expert at it, but basically... you need to edit your c:\windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts file the same way you changed the /etc/hosts on your koha machine.
08:20 paul_p       good morning #koha
08:21 vinz3g       But that would change it on all my computers
08:21 mtompset     Right...
08:21 mtompset     that's the problem.
08:21 vinz3g       ?
08:21 mtompset     that's why it is a larger DNS issue.
08:21 vinz3g       :(
08:22 mtompset     your machines are all on the same network off a router.
08:22 vinz3g       one
08:22 mtompset     the router probably goes to your ISP.
08:22 mtompset     one?
08:22 wahanui      one is, like, developeed by a worldwide community of developers, the other by liblime
08:23 mtompset     wahanui: forget one.
08:23 wahanui      mtompset: I forgot one
08:24 mtompset     vinz3g: What do you mean by one?
08:24 mtompset     You really should talk to your network administrator or system administrator for help.
08:29 mtompset     See, and your koha machine is INSIDE the router's network, but the internet is OUTSIDE the router's network. And your hosting provider (godaddy), doesn't know about that URL, since I can't access it from here.
08:29 vinz3g       hello
08:29 wahanui      what's up, vinz3g
08:29 vinz3g       sorry
08:29 vinz3g       was examining the configuration
08:30 vinz3g       the server and client are on the same subnet
08:31 mtompset     Right, but there's no DNS machine that knows it, which is why you have to manually edit the hosts file.
08:31 vinz3g       but I'm also within a domain
08:31 vinz3g       inet.domain.mx
08:31 vinz3g       host file and edit it
08:32 mtompset     Sorry, but I don't think you know what you really have, or can't describe it in a way that I can help. Sorry.
08:32 mtompset     That URL doesn't exist either.
08:34 vinz3g       sorry were examples
08:34 vinz3g       I am within an intranet
08:34 vinz3g       not be seen
08:34 mtompset     Okay, but who set up the intranet?
08:34 mtompset     They should be able to solve your problem.
08:35 vinz3g       corporate intranet is
08:35 vinz3g       translated okay?
08:35 mtompset     Then you need to talk with your corporate intranet folks.
08:35 vinz3g       ok
08:36 vinz3g       then it is a DNS issue
08:36 mtompset     The problem is the IP address needs to be recognized by a DNS entry. If the intranet has a DNS server, they'll add an entry, and it will just start to work for you.
08:36 mtompset     If it doesn't, then they'll tell you to edit files (or they'll do it themselves)
08:37 mtompset     Either way, they know the network. So they can help solve the problem.
08:37 vinz3g       http://mibpaste.com/iLQhje
08:37 vinz3g       sorry
08:38 vinz3g       http://mibpaste.com/Oz9u9R
08:38 vinz3g       hosts file is
08:39 mtompset     Wait a second...
08:40 mtompset     I got a timeout on the ip address in that file.
08:41 vinz3g       http://mibpaste.com/ukDwl6
08:41 mtompset     But assuming that is external, then it really is a DNS problem.
08:41 vinz3g       the address is not visible on the Internet only intranet
08:42 mtompset     What instructions did you follow to install it?
08:42 mtompset     install Koha...
08:42 vinz3g       http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages#Enable_Modules_and_Site
08:42 Maxie2012    Hi magnuse
08:43 Maxie2012    Apologies, but I'm back with more questions I'm afraid...
08:43 mtompset     Hmmm... tcohen isn't around.
08:44 mtompset     Yes, you definitely need to talk with your network people.
08:44 mtompset     If you followed the instructions and got through the web install using lynx...
08:44 vinz3g       http://mibpaste.com/HgDyVo
08:44 mtompset     Then your koha issues are totally apache and networking issues, not koha issues.
08:45 vinz3g       the problems seem to Koha
08:45 vinz3g       but apache
08:45 vinz3g       :(
08:46 mtompset     Network people who run the website (www.uady.mx) should be able to help you.
08:46 Maxie2012    I've managed to complete the LAMP installation (I think...!), and I have the link that gerundio recommended for the Koha package (http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.8_on_Debian_Squeeze), but what do I do next to install Koha?
08:46 Maxie2012    Can anybody out there give me a hint...?
08:46 mtompset     have you added repository?
08:47 mtompset     Maxie2012: have you added the repository?
08:48 * mtompset   looks at Maxie2012 waiting for an answer.
08:49 mtompset     What steps have you done beyond installing debian, Maxie2012?
08:49 paul_p       wow... why there's no traffic in NYC airports : http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/579186_911113539398_1291021231_n.jpg !!!!
08:49 mtompset     Because of hurricane sandy.
08:50 Maxie2012    Sorry...was trying to read the Installing Koha 3.8...
08:50 paul_p       mtompset = I know, just pointing this astonishing picture !
08:50 vinz3g       can not access the administrator interface through the IP? enabling any port?
08:51 mtompset     vinz3g... the package instructions are written for a Named Virtual Host configuration, because many people let the public search online and put holds on books.
08:52 mtompset     If you are familiar with apache, you can change it to a port-based configuration, but that is something best left to network and system administrators.
08:53 * magnuse    tries to clear up some misunderstandings about koha packaging in the sec4lib list
08:53 mtompset     sec4lib?
08:54 magnuse      sec4lib is https://listserv.nd.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=SEC4LIB
08:54 rangi        yeah, that guy seems a bit of an uninformed fudster
08:54 magnuse      yup
08:54 magnuse      hope i didn't obfuscate things further
08:54 cait         ah, no open archive :(
08:55 magnuse      yeah, top secret, i guess :-)
08:55 vinz3g       well no way, I'm a little tired. Tomorrow I hope to find the formula for log-greetings.
08:59 Maxie2012    To answer your question, I haven't done anything other than installing the LAMP stack from the TurnkeyLinux website, and I'm in the Debian environment...its showing me Debian/Linux 6.0 lamp tty1, lamp login:
08:59 Maxie2012    I managed to login using the root access
08:59 Maxie2012    but I don't know what to do next...:(
08:59 mtompset     okay... the instructions tell you what to do...
09:00 vinz3g       greetings and thanks!
09:00 mtompset     Sorry I couldn't help more, vinz3g.
09:00 vinz3g       no, is excellent
09:00 vinz3g       thank you!
09:00 vinz3g       :)
09:01 Maxie2012    Can anyone help...please...?
09:01 vinz3g       anyway in the previous version if you could
09:01 magnuse      mtompset++
09:01 vinz3g       if does not work try with the other
09:01 vinz3g       Now if we are
09:02 mtompset     Maxie2012: What instructions do you have in front of you?
09:02 Maxie2012    I basically have a black screen with a prompt...
09:03 mtompset     The URL... don't you have the web page of instructions open in another window?
09:04 mtompset     You said you had the url from gerundio.
09:04 mtompset     Debian?
09:04 wahanui      Debian is what most people use and there are good manuals and even packages for that
09:04 mtompset     packages?
09:04 wahanui      packages is, like, at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
09:04 Maxie2012    oh sorry....yes, I have the Koha 3.8 on Debian Squeeze in front of me
09:05 Maxie2012    I used the link I mentioned earlier...http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.8_on_Debian_Squeeze
09:06 mtompset     Yes.
09:06 mtompset     The link I just triggered goes to the same wiki page.
09:06 Maxie2012    oh ok!
09:07 Maxie2012    So I need to log into root to do the installation right?
09:07 mtompset     Follow the instructions there. If you aren't familiar with how to edit a file in Debian, that is not something I can explain.
09:07 mtompset     I would avoid it, myself.
09:07 mtompset     The instructions generally have "sudo" where you need root access.
09:08 mtompset     Or implied by the command being used.
09:13 Maxie2012    Ok, I'm looking at the To use section where it recommends the Stable Version 3.8 release and it is telling me to add a http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main to a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/koha.list file...is this an example of a file in Debian that you mention?
09:14 mtompset     You'll notice that a link before the Stable Version section is a "handy walkthrough"
09:15 mtompset     That may help make sense of some of the instructions.
09:16 * mtompset   waves, "I'm off."
09:16 mtompset     Good day (24 hour period), everyone.
09:17 Maxie2012    ah yes
09:21 Maxie2012    Thanks mtompset!
09:51 Oak          anyone know if nicole and her family are okay?
09:55 magnuse      @last seen nengard
09:55 huginn       magnuse: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; --nolimit (1 more message)
09:55 magnuse      @seen nengard
09:55 huginn       magnuse: nengard was last seen in #koha 1 day, 16 hours, 43 minutes, and 1 second ago: <nengard> thanks oleonard
09:55 Oak          hmm
09:56 Oak          where is she http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/10/28/nyregion/hurricane-evacuation-zones.html in yellow, orange or pink?
09:56 Oak          i mean her residence
10:01 magnuse      hm, not sure
10:04 Oak          jcamins_away, also in NY?
10:04 * Oak        wonders who else is from NY
10:05 slef         sekjal moved, no?
10:05 magnuse      Oak: lots of people ;-)
10:05 Oak          :) we should pray for their safety then. prayers do work.
10:06 slef         do magic spells too. They work just as well. ;)
10:06 Oak          but then again. lot of thousand times worse things happening around the world and no one cares. hm. this is the world we live in.
10:07 Oak          well, me go now.
10:07 slef         hey it's halloween, magic seems as appropriate
12:16 oleonard     Hi #koha
12:24 * cait-m     waves
12:29 cait-m       @wunder konstanz
12:29 huginn       cait-m: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 3.3°C (1:25 PM CET on October 31, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Steady).
12:30 cait-m       @wunder reutlingen
12:30 huginn       cait-m: The current temperature in Reutlingen, Germany is 13.1°C (1:29 PM CET on October 31, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 25%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady).
12:32 oleonard     Hi cait-m, jcamins_1way
12:35 jcamins      Much better.
12:43 oleonard     How's the weather jcamins and nengard?
12:43 * oleonard   takes heart from your electronic presence
12:46 nengard      weather is fine ? but power still out at home
12:47 jcamins      oleonard: the weather is fine.
12:47 jcamins      Power never went out here, but the main internet connection to the server I use for IRC is under water.
12:47 jcamins      A lot of water.
12:48 jcamins      It took a day to reroute over the backup connection.
12:50 tcohen       morning #koha
12:50 slef         jcamins: Internet can cope with a nuclear strike. Not floods.
12:51 jcamins      slef: the problem was just the last leg.
12:53 * jcamins    contemplates French toast.
12:53 cait-m       hi jcamins
12:54 gmcharlt     good morning
12:55 cait-m       hi gmcharlt
12:57 jcamins      I think I'll make French toast.
12:57 oleonard     Your fighting spirit is a model for all.
12:58 cait-m       lol?
12:59 cait-m       hi oleonard too  :-)
13:22 * slef       tries to get MARC21 out of a Koha sandbox
13:27 slef         "0 item records found and staged"
13:27 * slef       reads the raw file
13:30 slef         it's right, there are no item records
13:30 * slef       tries again
13:59 oleonard     Tried to run cleanborrowers.pl on my test system to delete old patrons, got gateway time-out.
13:59 oleonard     That doesn't bode well
14:23 libsysguy    heh
14:24 libsysguy    is there a cli script for that oleonard?
14:33 oleonard     Not as far as I can tell libsysguy
14:34 libsysguy    maybe not, I always hope there is but seldom expect it lol
14:34 oleonard     I tried running the SELECT SQL directly and it has been thinking for 10 minutes
14:38 libsysguy    geez, what else do you have going on that box
14:38 oleonard     It's my desktop VM
14:39 libsysguy    well you should stop the cat videos then :p
15:14 chris_n      heya cait
15:16 cait         hi #koha
15:21 cait         hi chris_n :)
16:01 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @paul_poulain: "new blog post for #kohails http://t.co/KhZCUYm8"
16:02 jcamins      paul_p: around?
16:03 paul_p       jcamins yep
16:03 jcamins      paul_p: how did you get error pages working under Plack?
16:03 paul_p       (good morning to you)
16:03 jcamins      Afternoon -- barely -- now. :)
16:03 paul_p       jcamins what do you mean ?
16:04 paul_p       jcamins (I think you're right about Cache not working with Plack = I made some tests with memcache, and saw no differences on SQL with and without memcache)
16:04 jcamins      paul_p: http://kohadev.cpbibliography.com/cgi-bin/koha/invalid
16:04 jcamins      That's what I get instead of a 404.
16:05 jcamins      Yeah, making Koha::Cache work with Plack is on my to-do list.
16:05 paul_p       http://lecannet:8080/cgi-bin/koha/blabla show me a standard 404 page (with all the menus, and the "an error has occured" in the middle
16:05 paul_p       jcamins = I just used dobrica configuration on the wiki
16:06 paul_p       nothing specific
16:06 jcamins      Really?
16:06 jcamins      When I had drojf test, his installation didn't handle error pages either.
16:07 jcamins      Are you connecting directly to Plack?
16:11 * oleonard   wonders if we will reach Bug # 9000 today
16:11 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9000 was not found.
16:13 reiveune     bye
16:30 paul_p       jcamins = have you read my mail "Koha 3.10, sign-off request & question" ?
16:30 paul_p       I think/suggest we branch 3.10.x now
16:32 jcamins      paul_p: that makes sense to me, provided -- as I said -- that we're pushing everything to master first.
16:33 paul_p       jcamins = I know, maybe you should answer on koha-devel, so someone (chris ?) will make the branch and assign permissions
16:38 jcamins      paul_p: will do.
16:51 mib_xdrsq5   hi everybody¡
16:52 mib_xdrsq5   how can I do, changing system preferences, to dont show biblios that do not has items, at opac?
16:54 jcamins      I don't think Koha does that.
16:55 talljoy      what about 942$n
16:55 jcamins      tcohen: don't suppose you have a passel of chronological authorities handy?
16:55 jcamins      talljoy: that requires changing each record though, I think.
16:55 talljoy      yes it would.
16:55 tcohen       passel?
16:55 jcamins      tcohen: a couple. Or a bunch.
16:56 jcamins      I may have spelled it wrong.
16:56 tcohen       sort of dataset for testing?
16:56 talljoy      mib_xdrsq5: you would have to update each bib record with 942$n=1 and then set the syspref to supress  and reindex
16:56 mib_xdrsq5   uuu, I have to change each record? It's no practical
16:56 jcamins      "Passel" is just a word for an indeterminate number of things.
16:56 jcamins      tcohen: actually, let me check.
16:56 jcamins      I just realized that I have a new test dataset that may include some chronological terms.
16:57 jcamins      Nope. I do not.
16:57 jcamins      tcohen: so, yes, a test dataset would be very helpful.
17:05 tcohen       how can i provide you with the example?
17:05 tcohen       a dump fo the auth_headers table?
17:06 jcamins      tcohen: just a few binary MARC records would work.
17:06 jcamins      However, I just created a record, and will test it.
17:06 jcamins      Because actually all I need is to know that the field is being indexed correctly.
17:06 jcamins      I don't have to know that my authority record makes sense.
17:06 tcohen       148$a is the field
17:07 tcohen       20th century
17:07 tcohen       ?
17:09 * chris_n    discovers dropped patches :(
17:09 chris_n      http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-patches/2010-February/011159.html
17:09 chris_n      http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-patches/2010-February/011160.html
17:10 jcamins      Okay, record is indexed and Zebra is started.
17:13 jcamins      tcohen: your patch works perfectly. :)
17:13 tcohen       our ligrarians already knew heh
17:14 tcohen       glad to hear it's been tested
17:15 * jcamins    wasn't concerned that it wouldn't work.
17:15 tcohen       :-D
17:17 * jcamins    thinks zebra-config.pl was an excellent idea.
17:17 jcamins      magnuse: may I please have some NORMARC records?
17:20 tcohen       jcamins, zebra-config.pl?
17:21 jcamins      t/db_dependent/zebra-config.pl.
17:21 jcamins      No more massacring your database for unit tests.
17:25 oleonard     chris_n: Because they were never attached to bugs?
17:26 chris_n      oleonard: probably so
17:27 chris_n      not to fear, though; I'll have to do it again and so will have a chance to redeem myself :-)
17:33 oleonard     We've come a long way, as a project, in making our procedures more rigorous. Good on us.
17:37 jcamins      paul_p: what do you call French toast in France?
17:38 paul_p       jcamins = I fear i don't know :\
17:38 jcamins      Wikipedia saves the day! Pain perdu.
17:39 oleonard     Lost bread?
17:39 paul_p       oleonard yep, "lost bread"
17:39 paul_p       because it's made with old bread, that you would trash otherwise
17:40 jcamins      paul_p: are you sure it isn't called that because if you walk away without finishing it, someone else will eat it? :)
17:41 rambutan     :)
17:43 * tcohen     thinks the more he reads DSpace documentation, the more he love koha-comunity's people
17:43 jcamins      tcohen: I've looked at DSpace several times.
17:44 jcamins      I've hated it each and every time.
17:44 oleonard     I can't seem to trigger Bug 8942. Anyone know how? I thought it affected how the datepicker works, but it seems to work fine.
17:44 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8942 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Translation process breaks javascript in calendar.inc
17:44 tcohen       i kind of understood it, but the lack of documentation on such abstract tool that needs to be configured too much to make it work...
17:49 oleonard     Oh I see it now, duh.
17:55 chris_n      oleonard: rigorous_procedures++
17:57 jcamins      oleonard: yes.
17:57 jcamins      We hit 9000.
17:58 oleonard     Oh, and the answer to that is: legacy.
17:58 jcamins      tcohen: didn't you write a patch to remove zebraqueue_daemon?
17:58 tcohen       yeah, but also adds  init scripts to ru nthe tamil's one
17:58 tcohen       bug 8519
17:58 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8519 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Make koha-index-daemon run on startup
17:59 jcamins      tcohen: hm. We should split that into two.
17:59 tcohen       its actually two patches if i recall
17:59 jcamins      Hm.
18:00 tcohen       you could push both patches, no one will notice :-P
18:00 jcamins      Would you mind if I reorganized the changes between your two patches so that we can get rid of zebraqueue posthaste?
18:00 * jcamins    dials in for a conference call.
18:00 tcohen       of course
18:00 tcohen       (i don't mind)
18:13 * oleonard   cuts out early
18:13 rangi        Morning
18:13 wahanui      Morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
18:14 oleonard     See ya #koha
18:14 rangi        Cya
18:18 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Setting Fixed Field Defaults in Koha 3.8 http://t.co/IgGJScS9 #kohails"
18:20 chris_n      g'morning rangi
18:22 rangi        Hey there you survive the storm ok?
18:31 chris_n      rangi: what we got of it; the worst for us this time was 25-35mph winds
18:31 chris_n      my parents (in VA) had a vehicle totaled by a falling tree
18:31 chris_n      other's had it far worse judging by the pics coming out of the north
18:33 rangi        Yeah seems like a lot of damage
18:34 chris_n      *others* rather
18:36 rangi        Bug 8960
18:36 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8960 trivial, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Needs Signoff , Typo 'Carnumber list' in modborrowers.tt
18:37 nengard      ??
18:37 tcohen       morning rangi
18:37 rangi        Hey tcohen
18:38 jcamins      @later tell magnuse If you had a couple dozen NORMARC records I could use as a sample that'd be super-keen.
18:38 huginn       jcamins: The operation succeeded.
18:38 rangi        My stop bbiab
18:39 jcamins      tcohen: I'm going to change the bug number on the zebraqueue removal patch.
18:39 tcohen       ok jcamins
18:44 tcohen       jcamins, if u remove those files in a separate patch/bug #, should I rewrite patches for 8519?
18:45 jcamins      tcohen: I'm splitting them.
18:45 jcamins      I'll post the signed-off patch for bug 8519, as well as the signed-off patch for the other bug.
18:45 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8519 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Make koha-index-daemon run on startup
18:45 tcohen       ok, let me know if you need that i do smth
18:50 rangi        back
18:50 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails  Plack dans Koha 3.10, pourquoi vous allez le vouloir ! http://t.co/71AoHvkm"
18:50 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails  Setting Fixed Field Defaults in Koha 3.8 http://t.co/Yd6CHk3t"
19:03 rangi        3.10.x is born
19:03 rangi        http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/3.10.x
19:03 jcamins      rangi++
19:11 jcamins      Exciting.
19:11 jcamins      Phenomenal cosmic power!
19:11 rangi        heh
19:12 jenkins_koha Starting build #922 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
19:12 jcamins      I would like a unit test for docs/history.txt.
19:13 jcamins      I'm not sure exactly how to do that.
19:13 rangi        there kinda is
19:13 jcamins      I guess load the file and confirm that every field is filled in.
19:14 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @ranginui: "the #kohails 3.10.x branch is born http://t.co/RA5tejny"
19:14 rangi        http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7143
19:14 huginn       04Bug 7143: trivial, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Bug for tracking changes to the about page
19:14 rangi        that patch there is useful
19:14 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Correct a typo in docs/history.txt and add 3.6.x releases <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5994dd21f780a384de0497c7208df9e6bc77b7d4>
19:16 jcamins      Interesting.
19:16 wahanui      it has been said that interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
19:17 rangi        huginn is kinda random in what commits he picks up
19:17 huginn       rangi: downloading the Perl source
19:25 jcamins      Well, folks. This is it. The moment you've all been waiting for.
19:26 jcamins      The moment when I say "wait, I have to comment on bugzilla using my web browser or manually save the file? Seriously?"
19:30 jcamins      I know. If I allow git-bz to prepopulate a message and status, that will not offend me.
20:06 nengard      i think i'm mostly done with the manual for 3.10 all that's left is the did you mean feature
20:06 nengard      and my brain is way too tired to figure that out right now
20:07 nengard      also there are probably images that need updating too .. but i'll find those as I poke around more and more
20:07 nengard      or as people tell me about them :)
20:22 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #922: SUCCESS in 1 hr 10 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/922/
20:22 jenkins_koha jcamins: Correct a typo in docs/history.txt and add 3.6.x releases
20:26 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails  Signoff statistics for October 2012 http://t.co/gClw8tB2"
21:12 jcamins      If anyone has a moment, an additional sign off on bug 8846 would be much appreciated.
21:12 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8846 blocker, P1 - high, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , t/SuggestionEngine_ExplodedTerms.t sneakily uses database
21:16 rangi        the 2nd patch?
21:16 wahanui      the 2nd patch is, like, just an optional 'really/long/path/to/a/dir/somewhere' tidy
21:16 rangi        http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=13158  <-- that one?
21:17 jcamins      rangi: yup.
21:17 jcamins      If you apply the first patch, the test will fail.
21:17 jcamins      If you apply the second, it will pass again.
21:18 rangi        righto i can test that
21:22 jcamins      Is there some way to tell git that unless otherwise specified, I want all branches to be pushed under new/?
21:22 rangi        possibly, but i dont know it
21:23 jcamins      Well, it'll give me an error if I try to push to bug_whatever directly.
21:23 jcamins      I think.
21:23 jcamins      And if not, I'll make you fix it.
21:26 eythian      hi
21:27 jcamins      Hello.
21:27 rangi        yep it should defintely block yo pushing to anything other than master, 3.8.x and new/*
21:27 eythian      http://wa1.cdn.3news.co.nz/3news/AM/2012/11/1/274979/police1.jpg
21:29 jcamins      eythian: no wonder you have such a low crime rate in NZ! Everyone's afraid of the police officers!
21:30 jcamins      Okay... the test suite isn't passing.
21:31 jcamins      Missing a budget, and an item?
21:33 jcamins      Does t/db_dependent/Serials.t fail spectacularly, generally?
21:38 eythian      wahanui: cookies are http://youtu.be/ZJlkplvYdgA
21:38 wahanui      ...but cookies is the solution to everything Chris ;)...
21:38 wahanui      ...but cookies are the solution to everything Chris ;)...
21:38 eythian      wahanui: cookies are also http://youtu.be/ZJlkplvYdgA
21:38 wahanui      okay, eythian.
21:38 wahanui      OK, eythian.
21:44 rangi        hmm
21:44 rangi        prove t/db_dependent/SuggestionEngine_ExplodedTerms.t
21:45 rangi        All tests successful.
21:45 rangi        Files=1, Tests=6,  1 wallclock secs ( 0.03 usr  0.00 sys +  0.30 cusr  0.02 csys =  0.35 CPU)
21:45 rangi        Result: PASS
21:45 rangi        before patch
21:45 jcamins      Before _both_ patches?
21:45 rangi        yes
21:45 jcamins      Okay.
21:45 jcamins      Then, yes, it would.
21:45 rangi        applying first one now
21:45 jcamins      I should have specified. It will work before the first patch.
21:45 jcamins      Wait... it will?
21:46 rangi        apparently
21:46 * jcamins    thinks.
21:46 rangi        fails after 1st patch
21:46 jcamins      Oh! I see.
21:46 jcamins      Right. I was expecting this.
21:47 rangi        passes with both applied
21:47 jcamins      I have a lot of spectacularly failing tests on master.
21:47 jcamins      Woohoo!
21:47 jcamins      HoldsQueue, for example.
21:49 jcamins      Budgets.
21:49 rangi        yeah they all rely on data, and should be mocked instead i think
21:49 jcamins      I installed all the sample data.
21:49 rangi        or grab a copy of the db on jenkins
21:50 jcamins      Oh, there was the problem.
21:50 rangi        yep, they need more data that isint the sample, like budgets and circ rules
21:50 jcamins      I had a budget.
21:50 jcamins      Awesome.
21:50 jcamins      All the Serials.t tests pass.
21:50 jcamins      Unfortunately, it looks like every single SQL statement failed.
21:51 * jcamins    speculates that the test isn't very good.
21:53 jcamins      Any idea why t/db_dependent/Labels/t_Batch.t plans 23 tests and runs 14?
21:54 jcamins      Oh.
21:54 jcamins      There should be ten label batches.
21:55 jcamins      No.
21:55 jcamins      Ten items.
22:01 rangi        we cant return lists as rss can we?
22:01 jcamins      I'm not sure.
22:01 jcamins      Probably not.
22:02 rangi        yeah doesnt look like it
22:04 jcamins      Thanks for setting the patch back. git-bz can't set statuses backwards, so I always forget.
22:04 rangi        no worries
22:17 gml          hello everyone
22:17 rangi        hi gml
22:18 gml          what's the default password for demo patrons? i've seen they have the same password hash in 'borrowers' table
22:18 rangi        no idea
22:18 jcamins      gml: they don't have any password.
22:18 jcamins      It's a hash that doesn't match anything.
22:19 gml          ok
22:20 gml          thanks
22:23 jcamins      Bug 8978 still needs to be pushed.
22:23 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8978 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha, Passed QA , Patron's dateexpiry is erroneously updated if dateexpiry in UnWantedField syspref
22:27 jenkins_koha Starting build #923 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
22:27 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_8982' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ea9e867a591f051db314ae5dc63eecac191cf724> / Bug 8982 make koha-create accept --database option <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=80c75dcc8f3aa11625e5cdb2d153306be10f72cb> / Bug 8707 - tags always say approved <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f191782d9869582f
22:37 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8978: Patron's dateexpiry erroneously updated when in UnwantedField <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=43ba461f3905dc07e7e97bb23dc230fdd69ca2d7>
22:46 jcamins      Yay! Everything that has passed QA has been pushed.
22:47 rangi        sweet
23:06 jcamins_away my $template = HTML::Template::Pro->new(filename => $intranetdir.'/scripts/misc/notifys/templates/'.%actions->{$actiondate}->{$method}->{'template'}, die_on_bad_params => 0);
23:06 jcamins_away ^^ that means load the template in misc/notifys/templates, right?
23:07 rangi        yep
23:09 jcamins_away There is no other reference to notifys as it being anything other than a table.
23:10 rangi        hmm
23:20 eythian      hey, all tests passed in master with no patching needed. That hasn't happened for a while.
23:21 * eythian    builds debs
23:21 rangi        w00t
23:25 * eythian    uploads new master packages, and goes for lunch.
23:27 rangi        lunch sounds good
23:31 jcamins_away @later tell eythian a patch making the debian/changelog file on master kosher would be much appreciated. I can't figure out what the problem is.
23:31 huginn       jcamins_away: The operation succeeded.
23:36 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #923: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 10 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/923/
23:36 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8707 - tags always say approved
23:36 jenkins_koha * mjr: Bug 8982 make koha-create accept --database option
23:36 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8707 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , tags always say approved
23:36 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8982 minor, P5 - low, ---, mjr, Pushed to Master , koha-create rejects --database option
23:38 jenkins_koha Starting build #924 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #922 4 hr 26 min ago)
23:39 jcamins_away We have got to mock the daily quotes tests.
23:39 jcamins_away It goes unstable around midnight.
23:52 jcamins_away @later tell eythian Never mind about the changelog.
23:52 huginn       jcamins_away: The operation succeeded.
23:53 jcamins_away Why is libanyevent-http-perl required?