Time  Nick           Message
22:04 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8869 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Duplicate member check doesn't disable submit button on bottom.
22:04 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8863 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , When clearing a patron attribute, they are all cleared
22:04 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8851 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , strange blue bar above serials results
22:04 jenkins_koha   * kyle: Bug 8869 - Duplicate member check doesn't disable submit button on bottom.
22:04 jenkins_koha   * fridolyn.somers: Bug 8863: When clearing a patron attribute, they are all cleared
22:04 jenkins_koha   * oleonard: Bug 8851 - strange blue bar above serials results
22:03 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #878: SUCCESS in 1 hr 9 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/878/
20:54 jenkins_koha   Starting build #878 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
20:53 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8175 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , items.materials check logs error or displays incorrectly in details.pl
20:53 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8843 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Cannot export bibliographic records by call number
20:53 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8718 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , Normal catalogue detail view in staff client doesn't show missing serials or subscription history note
20:53 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8766 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , OPACBaseURL still called as OPACBaseurl in many files
20:53 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7643 normal, P5 - low, ---, I.Brown, Pushed to Master , Can't upload and import zipped file of patron images
20:53 jenkins_koha   * mtompset: Bug 8175 - check logs error or displays incorrectly in details.pl
20:53 jenkins_koha   * oleonard: Bug 8843 - Cannot export bibliographic records by call number
20:53 jenkins_koha   * dcook: Bug 8718 - Normal catalogue detail view in staff client doesn't show missing serials or subscription history note
20:53 jenkins_koha   * oleonard: Bug 8766 - OPACBaseURL still called as OPACBaseurl in many files
20:53 jenkins_koha   * I.Brown: Bug 7643 - Can't upload and import zipped file of patron images
20:53 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #877: SUCCESS in 1 hr 10 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/877/
20:51 cait           you too oleonard :)
20:50 oleonard       Have a good weekend everyone
20:46 jcamins        And one doesn't use halon in a home.
20:45 jcamins        cait: the surge protector did not make a shorted out-y buzzing sound last week.
20:44 cait           i am sure i thas seen some thunderstorms already
20:43 jcamins        (why yes, this client lives in a tall building overlooking the river)
20:43 jcamins        oleonard: I hadn't considered that if there's a ground fault in this client's surge protector and there's a lightning storm it could be very dramatic.
20:42 jcamins        oleonard: that's a horrifying thought.
20:41 oleonard       A race against time and lightning!
20:41 jcamins        I hope it doesn't. I want to buy a surge protector, which means going out and finding somewhere to buy a surge protector.
20:40 jcamins        Yes.
20:39 cait           you talk about your place :)
20:39 cait           aah
20:39 jcamins        cait: I look out the window at the tree branches whipping in the wind and the clouds, and reflect that I didn't bring a waterproof jacket.
20:38 cait           ah, how do you predict that?
20:37 jcamins        It looks like it is going to storm.
20:35 cait           hm, das sollte funktionieren
20:34 huginn         cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 8.6°C (10:30 PM CEST on October 12, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
20:34 cait           :)
20:33 cait           @wunder Konstanz
20:33 balin          cataloging --> z39.50 search
20:33 jcamins        Where are you following a link to that from?
20:32 jcamins        Well, at least we've ruled out a possibility.
20:32 balin          jcamins: filling that url doesn' change the problem.
20:32 jcamins        oleonard: hm.
20:32 cait           ah :)
20:32 balin          cait: ja.
20:32 cait           ?
20:32 cait           oh balin - are you speaking German
20:31 oleonard       Mine is empty too. I wouldn't expect that to cause an error under normal circumstances.
20:31 cait           what does the url say you are looking at right now?
20:31 jcamins        https://bibliothek-admin.<YOU>.net
20:31 balin          which is what?
20:31 jcamins        Try filling that in with the URL to your staff client.
20:30 balin          its empty.
20:30 jcamins        That's the one.
20:30 jcamins        oleonard: what does everyone have against Firefox 16.0.1?
20:30 oleonard       staffClientBaseURL
20:29 oleonard       Geez did Mozilla pull Firefox 16.0.1 too?
20:29 jcamins        Somewhere in Staff client.
20:29 jcamins        I may have just made that name up.
20:29 jcamins        balin: I suspect a problem with your IntranetBase syspref.
20:28 balin          Ha! That works!
20:27 jcamins        Try navigating directly to the /cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/z3950_search.pl page.
20:26 jcamins        Yeah, that is not an actual error, and has nothing to do with the problem you're seeing.
20:25 balin          But that refers to something before the search?
20:25 balin          [error] [client 10.10.10.1] [Fri Oct 12 19:57:30 2012] z3950servers.pl: Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/admin/z3950servers.pl line 103., referer: https://bibliothek-admin.<ME>.net/cgi-bin/koha/admin/z3950servers.pl
20:24 jcamins        /var/log/koha/[instance]/koha-error-log (or something like that)
20:24 jcamins        Anything in the logs?
20:24 balin          Looks like one too ... this is the only hickup I get.
20:23 jcamins        The result should be a fully-working Koha installation.
20:23 jcamins        Okay, that's a good way to install it.
20:23 balin          http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.4_on_Debian_Squeeze
20:23 balin          throiugh the debian repository
20:23 jcamins        How did you install it?
20:22 balin          3.08.05.000, firefox and chrome both
20:21 jcamins        What version of Koha, and which browser?
20:21 jcamins        That's very bizarre.
20:21 balin          yes
20:20 jcamins        But other pages are still working?
20:20 balin          jcamins: exactly - new window pops up yet remians blank.
20:20 jcamins        What version of Koha?
20:20 jcamins        So /cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/z3950_search.pl does not load?
20:19 oleonard       Neat, Obama is coming to Athens next week.
20:19 balin          jcamins: no. I can't even search as the search mask itself remains blank (and eventually fails with loading error). FW 210 is open.
20:18 jcamins        Most likely it's a firewall.
20:18 jcamins        balin: you mean you do a search in LC and no matter what you search for, there are never any results?
20:17 balin          Just installed a play koha in debian ... z39.50 search for cataloging is not working for me. I have the library of congress defined in targets but when I try to make a z39.50 search, the window that pops up remains empty ... any pointers on where to start looking?
20:11 cait           incremental_improvements++
20:11 huginn         jcamins: Karma for "incremental_improvements" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1.
20:11 jcamins        @karma incremental_improvements
20:11 cait           whohoo
20:11 jcamins        incremental_improvements++
20:11 oleonard       I have a patch ready which includes some incremental improvements
20:11 oleonard       yes, I hadn't forgotten about that project
20:10 cait           acq bug
20:10 cait           heh
20:09 * oleonard     concedes that he is indeed devilishly handsome
20:08 jcamins        oleonard++
20:08 cait           oleonard++
20:08 cait           oleonard:
20:00 cait           true
19:59 cait           tre
19:59 libsysguy      HAHAHA
19:59 jcamins        libsysguy: I am. All users of Koha will be happier if I'm not grouchy about the lack of 787 support. :P
19:59 libsysguy      heh
19:59 libsysguy      now now jcamins, since you are future RM you have to take into consideration all of the users in the Koha userbase
19:57 * jcamins      uses 787s, not the calendar. :P
19:57 huginn         New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8869 - Duplicate member check doesn't disable submit button on bottom. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=782e1845f3c77f68fe144df91c88b894aecb9607> / Bug 8863: When clearing a patron attribute, they are all cleared <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5a38631838b494079a1d0ad5fc7bdb706dacadc4> / Bug 8851 - strange blue bar above serials results <http://git.koha-co
19:57 libsysguy      so I can hand it off to testing
19:57 libsysguy      I don't know about you guys but I'm ready to be done with it :p
19:57 libsysguy      don't you want me to finish the calendar project first?
19:56 libsysguy      heh I'll bet
19:56 cait           oh we will give you all the piece and quiet you need for this project
19:56 libsysguy      disturb **
19:55 libsysguy      DND =~ do not disturn :p
19:55 cait           hm? )
19:55 libsysguy      don't make me put up the DND sign :p
19:55 libsysguy      ...
19:55 cait           lol
19:54 * jcamins      suggests that libsysguy probably doesn't have enough to do.
19:54 jcamins        Hehe.
19:54 cait           :P
19:54 cait           I will delegate it to one of the qaa then
19:53 cait           jcamins: aha
19:52 jcamins        Quality would be assured if you were the one managing the implementation of intelligent 001 handling. :P
19:51 cait           I am qam, not your secretary
19:51 jcamins        Ah, isn't being RM great?
19:50 cait           lol
19:50 * jcamins      delegates this project to kf.
19:50 jcamins        And we should once and for all eliminate the wholly misunderstood idea that "001 should have OCLC number."
19:50 jcamins        If you are bulk importing records with a consistent identifier already existing, that identifier should be used. Otherwise, the biblionumber should be automatically generated.
19:50 cait           Iguess we could replace, as long as there are scripts building the relationships
19:49 cait           hm
19:49 cait           hm
19:49 cait           as long as it's optional
19:49 jcamins        We should be using your 001 for biblionumber.
19:49 cait           ok ignore me, it was a long day
19:48 cait           :P
19:48 cait           can I put my 001 in there?
19:48 cait           ? :)
19:48 cait           biblionumber is unfriendly.
19:47 * jcamins      either.
19:46 rangi          i cant think of a reason
19:46 jcamins        Anyone? And I mean, legitimate reasons, not just "but biblionumber is unfriendly."
19:46 jcamins        Why can't we use 787$w for linking bound-withs?
19:44 rangi          http://riahall.bandcamp.com/album/ria-hall
19:43 jenkins_koha   Starting build #877 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
19:42 mveron         rangi: Great voices!
19:38 jcamins        It was between that and 700t for bound-withs, and I think that wins, barely.
19:38 rangi          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vh-tGolbbU&feature=relmfu
19:38 cait           ugh. ok.
19:37 huginn         New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8175 - check logs error or displays incorrectly in details.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b8f4b1fa146650fc9ff6c47be80e1f5a34863a9f> / Bug 8843 - Cannot export bibliographic records by call number <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=caec1ddfa48b3bf8581b27dc45cba404a47d4a27> / Bug 8718 - Normal catalogue detail view in staff client doesn't show missing seri
19:37 huginn         jcamins: Information concerning the work related to the target item when the relationship does not fit any of those defined in fields 760-785. (Repeatable) [b,c,d,g,h,i,k,m,n,o,r,s,t,u,w,x,y,z,6,7,8]
19:37 jcamins        @marc 787
19:37 cait           hm not what you mant
19:37 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=787 blocker, P2, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, Non-MARC interface does not save copright and subjects information
19:37 cait           bug 787
19:37 cait           jcamins: ??
19:36 jcamins        I guess this means I'm going to have to provide a patch making 787 useful.
19:36 * jcamins      decides to use 787.
19:36 mveron         BTW, there will be a little Literature Festival in Switzeland dedicated to NZ: http://www.literaturtagezofingen.ch/index.php?id=710
19:36 rangi          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6Hhomgzz3M
19:35 rangi          ria hall lives not far from me
19:33 rangi          mveron: oh yeah those are cool!
19:33 rangi          http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/news/3F65C01EAB666AC6CC25710F00805997  (im misquoted 3 times here)
19:32 cait           but heard the same stories about other towns as well...
19:32 cait           it's really annoying for the institutions
19:32 cait           in my home town they mess up times and dates for events a lot
19:32 mveron         I watched the Tatau Dance group,  http://www.nzatfrankfurt.govt.nz/events/ria-hall-and-puawai-cairns-tatau-pacific-dance-group
19:31 rangi          yeah
19:31 oleonard       I think my library has yet to have a story written about it that didn't contain a factual error or made-up quote
19:31 rangi          its only the editors who touch the site
19:31 * oleonard     seconds the notion that journalists don't listen
19:31 rangi          they write for print still
19:31 cait           oh
19:31 rangi          unsuprisingly, they probably never touch it
19:30 rangi          yup
19:30 jcamins        rangi: the journalists for stuff.co.nz don't know who is behind their site?
19:30 rangi          journalists don't listen :)
19:30 rangi          yep it is
19:29 cait           is catalyst no longer doing stuff?
19:29 cait           they wrote you were behind the original stuff site
19:29 rangi          did you see a haka?
19:29 rangi          oh cool
19:29 mveron         http://www.nzatfrankfurt.govt.nz/
19:29 mveron         I was at the Frankfurt Book Fair yesterday. The presentation of New Zealand was really great!
19:28 mveron         Hi rangi
19:28 rangi          hi mveron
19:27 * rangi        cant parse that
19:27 jcamins        What?
19:26 rangi          ?
19:26 cait           why was behind stuff?
19:26 cait           oh
19:24 rangi          http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/7781499/Catalyst-notes-shift-in-open-source-attitude
19:24 rangi          the stuff we are doing in the middle east for example
19:23 cait           [off] lol
19:23 jcamins        [off] NASA, for example.
19:22 cait           [off] wlel, maybe for some it is :)
19:21 rangi          [off] yeah we host much bigger sites than that, its not rocket science :)
19:21 jcamins        [off] But correctly.
19:21 jcamins        [off] I'd suggest just doing it once. :P
19:21 cait           [off] but it's still a lot I think
19:21 cait           [off] you would have some hardware/hosting/maintenance and support staff costs
19:20 rangi          [off] 5 times
19:20 jcamins        [off] You could have search rewritten.
19:20 * cait         nods
19:19 rangi          [off] imagine what we could do with 910k a year
19:18 rangi          [off] per year .. someone is laughing all the way to the bank
19:18 jcamins        [off] I'm reminded of the BOFH story where the Boss negotiates the contract with a vendor.
19:18 rangi          [off] 13 currently * 70k ... and its a union catalogue
19:18 cait           [off] I understand that decision even less now than before.
19:17 cait           [off] ouch. :(
19:17 rangi          [off] it cost something like 350k for the new plymouth migration, more than we quoted for ALL libraries
19:16 cait           [off] rangi: is that ebsco + symphony or only one?
19:16 cait           [off] you pay the index/data, not the search interface - well that too, but the big chunk is the index.
19:15 rangi          [off] so i think its about 500k a year currently
19:15 jcamins        [off] Okay, prices are in line with what I've heard from them.
19:15 rangi          [off] per library
19:14 jcamins        [off] Wait, that's PER LIBRARY?!?!?
19:14 jcamins        [off] Still, that's supposedly a national catalog, and there are universities that are paying more than that, easily.
19:14 rangi          [off] it might be more for bigger libraries
19:13 rangi          [off] that's per year for ever, and not the migration costs
19:13 jcamins        [off] 70k NZD seems rather low for those two companies.
19:12 jcamins        [off] Oh, definitely.
19:11 rangi          [off] either way, it's balls
19:11 rangi          [off] makes sense
19:11 cait           [off] my coworker did with a test account
19:10 cait           [off] I think it's solr, you can integrate their index with vufind
19:10 jcamins        [off] EBSCO used to be Z39.50-based.
19:09 rangi          [off]i wonder what they use in the back, probably solr
19:05 jcamins        [off] Could just be a coincidence, but talk about wacky.
19:05 jcamins        [off] I have a US public library's bib database for testing. The contents are quite similar to an NZ public library's collection, apparently. I automatically fell back to looking for my preferred record (number 4), and *found it there*.
19:04 oleonard       [off] Hats off to your keen eye jcamins
19:04 oleonard       [off] Wow jcamins is such a library nerd he recognizes the ranking of search results?!
19:02 jcamins        [off] What are the chances that their relevance ranking would put items in the same order as ours, keeping in mind that our relevance ranking is abysmal?
19:00 jcamins        There's something familiar about these results.
19:00 cait           rangi: ew
19:00 jcamins        Waitaminute.
18:59 jcamins        rangi: especially winning are the subject headings.
18:59 nengard        both of you
18:59 nengard        you're awesome
18:59 nengard        wow
18:59 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8594 normal, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , A report containing a subquery that has a 'limit' will have that limit stripped out
18:59 oleonard       Bug 8594?
18:59 jcamins        nengard: Bug 8594.
18:59 rangi          nope
18:59 nengard        my searches are failing me
18:59 nengard        i think the patch was written by robin ? anyone know the bug number?
18:59 rangi          in this day and age
18:59 nengard        i'm looking for a bug report that i know i signed off on ? it was about reports that had nested selects
18:59 rangi          seriously
18:58 rangi          session ids in urls
18:58 rangi          heh
18:58 oleonard       I don't know what you're complaining about, http://ehis.ebscohost.com/eds/results?sid=9c72fd0e-1c5a-4e9e-a310-d089111a09c4%40sessionmgr14&vid=2&hid=22&bquery=harry+AND+potter&bdata=JmNsaTA9RlQxJmNsdjA9WSZ0eXBlPTAmc2l0ZT1lZHMtbGl2ZSZzY29wZT1zaXRl is very memorable.
18:58 rangi          because you know, sending something over a slow international link for 14 hops is a great idea
18:58 jcamins        Wow. Winningest system ever.
18:58 rangi          why yes i do want all my opac searches to go via the USA ...when im sitting in a library in timaru
18:57 rangi          ebsco + symphony
18:57 jcamins        EBSCO?
18:56 rangi          http://wanganui.kotui.org.nz/ or http://hurunui.kotui.org.nz/ or http://timaru.kotui.org.nz/
18:55 jcamins        You have not, no.
18:55 rangi          have i shown you what 70k$nz a year forever in licensing and support gets you?
18:52 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3652 critical, P1 - high, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , XSS vulnerabilities
18:52 jenkins_koha   * Chris Cormack: Bug 3652 XSS vulnerability in facets
18:52 jenkins_koha   * Chris Cormack: Bug 3652: XSS vulnerability in page numbering
18:52 jenkins_koha   * Chris Cormack: Bug 3652 : [SIGNED-OFF] [SECURITY] XSS vulnerability
18:52 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_3.8.x build #200: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/200/
18:52 jcamins        It would seem so.
18:51 rangi          every vendor except koha?
18:51 rangi          oh
18:49 jcamins        Who said "I know, let's make sure there are no stable URLs in our library catalog. That would definitely better serve our user base than usable links."
18:48 jcamins        You know what I can't figure out?
18:40 rangi          hmm confusing
18:35 * jcamins      goes to eat a late lunch.
18:33 * rangi        will have to fix that hehe
18:33 rangi          so is mveron and oleonard-away
18:33 rangi          hehe you are!
18:33 melia          yeah, I'm beating you rangi!!
18:32 rangi          melia++
18:32 rangi          ohh and three signoffs to melia
18:32 rangi          trying to reduce it
18:32 rangi          khall++
18:31 rangi          hmm triple figures in the needs signoff queue again
18:30 rangi          morning
18:13 jenkins_koha   Starting build #200 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:19 Oak            :)
17:19 kf_mtg         Oak: I will in 10 minuts
17:06 huginn         Oak: The operation succeeded.
17:06 Oak            @later tell kf time to go home.
17:06 huginn         Oak: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 12.0°C (7:00 PM CEST on October 12, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
17:06 Oak            @wunder Konstanz
16:57 jcamins        You're welcome.
16:57 howell4c       That did it.  Thanks a lot for your help.
16:56 jcamins        Look in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/[your instance]
16:55 howell4c       Or is there a better way to run Koha on a standalone machine when I don't have a domain name to give it?
16:55 howell4c       How do I tell what the directive is pointing to, and change it?
16:53 jcamins        Probably the VirtualHost directive is pointing to only one of your network interfaces, and it isn't the one you want.
16:53 howell4c       now I'm getting "/ was not found on this server"
16:51 jcamins        And restart Apache.
16:51 howell4c       OK, I'll try that.  Thanks a lot.
16:51 jcamins        Just add "Listen 8080" to /etc/apache2/ports.conf
16:51 jcamins        The packages don't do that, since that's generally considered poor form.
16:51 jcamins        howell4c: you have to tell Apache to listen on port 8080.
16:50 howell4c       I set INTRAPORT="8080" and OPACPORT="80" in /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf, but when I go to http://127.0.0.1:8080, I get a message that the browser can't establish a connection to the server.  I must have missed something else.
16:49 jcamins        howell4c: yes, you just have to set different ports.
16:48 howell4c       Is it possible to use the packages installation of Koha on Ubuntu 12.04 without a domain name?  I want to access the OPAC/staff site on 127.0.0.1 for testing.
15:51 clrh           I learned mysqldump --where="1 limit 20000" :)
15:46 jcamins        Good UNIMARC authorities = better authority testing
15:46 jcamins        oleonard: UNIMARC data. :)
15:45 oleonard       What was that for jcamins?
15:42 jcamins        clrh++
15:39 oleonard       But it's good because it means we're mostly tidying up after ourselves?
15:38 oleonard       I guess it's bad if anyone hoped staff-global.css would be drastically shrunk
15:37 jcamins        oleonard: I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing.
15:37 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8899 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Remove unused CSS declarations from staff client CSS
15:37 oleonard       Surprising little to remove for Bug 8899
15:35 jcamins        Alas, all the BibLibrans left before I remembered to ask if any of them had sample UNIMARC data other than the sandbox data.
15:19 nengard        sorry - brain shutting down for Friday :)
15:19 nengard        okay
15:19 nengard        oh!!!
15:19 jcamins        The patch is in 3.6.x.
15:19 nengard        yes
15:19 jcamins        The bug is.
15:19 nengard        that's where i found it
15:19 nengard        it's in 3.8.x
15:18 jcamins        Maybe not 3.8 or 3.10, somehow?
15:18 jcamins        Rather, it's in 3.6.x.
15:18 nengard        my test was in 3.8
15:18 nengard        so probably 3.10
15:18 jcamins        Okay, good.
15:17 nengard        yes
15:17 jcamins        It is.
15:17 jcamins        That should be in 3.8.x and 3.6.x.
15:17 jcamins        Hm.
15:17 jcamins        It took me a while to find the bug.
15:16 nengard        (sorry was doing documentation)
15:16 nengard        thanks jcamins
15:15 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7586 normal, P5 - low, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , Search: Language restriction does  NOT show expected results (no items shown)
15:15 jcamins        Bug 7586.
15:12 huginn         jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5678 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , Translations Manager
15:12 huginn         jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5052 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , Can't choose languages if all choices are sublanguages
15:12 huginn         jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7541 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, NEW , News items won't display for translated dialects
15:12 huginn         jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2559 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Language limit on Spanish returns Russian records or is it English ...
15:12 huginn         jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3092 normal, P1 - high, ---, frederic, NEW , Data values storage and use 100 bug meta-bug
15:12 jcamins        @query language
15:12 jcamins        At some point.
15:10 jcamins        mveron fixed it.
15:09 jcamins        We have ln:n when it should be ln:w.
15:09 jcamins        What's weird about this is that I -- or someone following my instructions -- have patched it no fewer than three times.
15:09 jcamins        It's a bug.
15:09 jcamins        You are correct.
15:07 nengard        it appears to only check the 041 ? this is an isolated test
15:07 nengard        a bug
15:07 nengard        cause if so I found ab ug
15:07 nengard        it's the 041 and the 008?
15:07 jcamins        nengard: that's correct.
14:21 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7751 critical, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Needs Signoff , Decrease loan period on items with a high number of holds
14:21 nengard        bug 7751 needs a sign off - simple string patch if anyone wants to tackle it
14:21 nengard        fun!
14:17 * kf_mtg       is working on how to catalogue posters
14:13 nengard        fixing now
14:13 nengard        but i used the word 'by' and it needs to be the word 'to'
14:13 nengard        by combining it
14:13 nengard        well i did make it less confusing
14:13 kf_mtg         but yeah, confusing pref
14:13 kf_mtg         guess it makes more sense this way
14:13 nengard        just now
14:13 kf_mtg         did you test?
14:13 nengard        need to update the preference
14:13 nengard        eek
14:12 nengard        it's decreased to a number of days
14:12 nengard        it's not decreased by a number of days
14:12 nengard        yikes
14:12 kf_mtg         yw
14:10 nengard        thanks!!!
14:09 kf_mtg         it will ask you
14:09 kf_mtg         <li>High demand item. Loan period shortened to [% HIGHHOLDS.duration %] days (due [% HIGHHOLDS.returndate %]). Check out anyway?</li>
14:09 kf_mtg         ah see here is the message for the checkout screen:
14:08 * mtompset     smiles.
14:08 kf_mtg         and I misunderstood I think when looking at the bug the first time around
14:08 nengard        to you too
14:08 nengard        hehe
14:08 mtompset       Good day (24 hour period), #koha.
14:08 nengard        that's a-ok - I wasn't being clear
14:07 kf_mtg         sorry for misinformation at first )
14:07 nengard        thanks!
14:07 nengard        k - i'll write that and then put on my list of things to test
14:07 kf_mtg         I think so from glancing at comments
14:07 kf_mtg         I guess a test would be best
14:07 nengard        so the old due date isn't changed, just new due dates
14:07 kf_mtg         I think
14:07 kf_mtg         it's only checked out for 2 weeks to each
14:07 nengard        Patron B comes around and checked out a book today, normally they would get 2 weeks but the item has too many holds on it, does that change their due date at the time they check out by the number of days in the preference?
14:07 kf_mtg         but if thre are 5 pending holds
14:06 kf_mtg         so say normally the loan period is 4 weeks
14:06 kf_mtg         I was wrong
14:06 kf_mtg         I think he doesn't get a new due_date
14:06 nengard        Patron A has an item checked out with a due date of Nov 1, someone comes along and places a hold on the item they have checked out and the preference is set to decrease the loan length, does Patron A have a new due date? or do they still have a due date of Nov 1?
14:06 kf_mtg         sometimes it's aproblem when you have something similar happen in libraries you know - wrong expectations
14:05 kf_mtg         not for checked out
14:05 kf_mtg         it might be for checking out items
14:05 kf_mtg         I think you were right
14:05 nengard        let me try to re-explain what I'm looking for
14:05 kf_mtg         "It reduces the check-out duration of an item by [decreaseLoanHighHolds] days for items that have more than [decreaseLoanHighHoldsValue] holds pending." ?
14:05 kf_mtg         i found this from paul:
14:05 kf_mtg         hm maybe I misunderstand it... let me reread it
14:04 nengard        i understand what it does - just not when it does it
14:04 nengard        yes
14:04 kf_mtg         did you see the system preferences?
14:04 nengard        hmmmm
14:04 nengard        okay - a hold would be a trigger ?
14:04 kf_mtg         it needs a trigger
14:03 nengard        anyone from ptfs-europe around to help explain bug 7751 for documentation?
14:03 kf_mtg         it can be triggered by placing the hold
14:03 nengard        hmmm ? seems like that would need a cron job of some sort to work
14:03 kf_mtg         I think one of the big academics here used to send you a postcard
14:03 kf_mtg         not sure if the feature includes sending out a mail
14:03 kf_mtg         and then it would get shortened
14:03 kf_mtg         normally you would have a very long time to betgin with I think
14:02 kf_mtg         yeah
14:02 nengard        yeah i read the comments and was still not sure
14:01 nengard        ?
14:01 nengard        if the items are checked out already - meaning I checked it out and had 2 weeks a week ago, but today there are many holds so I only have a few more days instead of another week
14:01 kf_mtg         I only did a code review, but there is lots of information in the comments - some from paul I think too when he did test it
14:01 kf_mtg         it's a feature academics here do to
14:01 kf_mtg         if there are many holds it will increase the loan period
14:01 kf_mtg         it's for items checked out
14:00 nengard        I don't see a test plan on there so I'm not sure how it's supposed to work - and I'm documenting it
14:00 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7751 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Pushed to Master , Decrease loan period on items with a high number of holds
14:00 nengard        kf you did some testing on bug 7751 - do you know if it lowers the loan period on things already checked out? or just items checked out after the hold limit has been reached?
13:58 wizzyrea       it's early early saturday :)
13:55 mtompset       I think Australia and NZ are out of Friday now.
13:54 mtompset       It's still Friday here.
13:54 oleonard       ...with all due respect to other time zones
13:54 oleonard       If that's the best thing that happens for Koha on a Friday, I think we count ourselves lucky.
13:49 wizzyrea       "we couldn't find anything, but here's a partying squirrel."
13:49 mtompset       Actually, perhaps it would be better on a connection timed out page.
13:48 * mtompset     laughs, "Totally, wizzyrea!"
13:48 oleonard       Party squirrel has finger-foods instead of network cables I would guess
13:48 wizzyrea       i would totally put that on the "no results" page.
13:47 mtompset       oleonard++ # nice Squirrel -- Does this means someone's Koha isn't working right now? ;)
13:45 wizzyrea       that is one party hardened squirrel
13:42 nengard        but he's away right now
13:42 nengard        jcamins will know the answer
13:41 nengard        hehe
13:38 magnuse        oleonard++
13:31 * oleonard     hated to see you empty-handed
13:31 nengard        well thank you oleonard!
13:27 * oleonard     offers nengard this photo of a squirrel in a party hat in lieu of MARC advice: http://cuteoverload.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/8051316701_e5a0c6deeb_b1.jpg?w=560
13:04 nengard        can someone remind me what field the language limit on the advanced search is checking? is it the 008 and the 041? http://manual.koha-community.org/3.8/en/kohasearchindexes.html is that what 'ln' is
13:01 magnuse        success! \o/
12:47 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7412 enhancement, P3, ---, matthias.meusburger, Pushed to Master , Pre-filling items in cataloguing
12:47 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7751 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Pushed to Master , Decrease loan period on items with a high number of holds
12:47 jenkins_koha   * nengard: Bug 7412: Follow up: Update preference to sentence
12:47 jenkins_koha   * nengard: Bug 7751: Decrease loan length with many holds
12:47 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #876: SUCCESS in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/876/
12:42 nengard        is that what 'ln' is
12:42 nengard        is it the 008 and the 041? http://manual.koha-community.org/3.8/en/kohasearchindexes.html
12:42 nengard        can someone remind me what field the language limit on the advanced search is checking?
12:22 oleonard       You know, stuff.
12:21 mtompset       Greetings, oleonard. More what?
12:19 * oleonard     is back and ready for more
12:18 oleonard       Hi
12:18 kf             hi oleonard :)
12:14 magnuse        yay!
12:06 kf             guess I found it :)
12:06 huginn         kf: Information used to control patent documents. In addition to information about patents, this field may contain information relating to inventors' certificates, utility certificates, utility models, patents or certificates of addition, inventors' certificates of addition, utility certificates of addition, and published applications for any of these. (Repeatable) [a,b,c,d,e,f,6,8]
12:06 kf             @marc 013
12:06 kf             does someone know where patent numbers in marc21 go?
12:05 kf             hm
11:39 jenkins_koha   Starting build #876 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
11:38 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3652 critical, P1 - high, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , XSS vulnerabilities
11:38 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8636 major, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Some dependencies are not listed by the installer
11:38 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8812 normal, P5 - low, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , Staff Client: Patron search should display branch name instead of branch code in results table
11:38 jenkins_koha   * Chris Cormack: Bug 3652 XSS vulnerability in facets
11:38 jenkins_koha   * Chris Cormack: Bug 3652: XSS vulnerability in page numbering
11:38 jenkins_koha   * Chris Cormack: Bug 3652 : [SIGNED-OFF] [SECURITY] XSS vulnerability
11:38 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8633 normal, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Translate script hardcoded to prog template
11:38 jenkins_koha   * jcamins: Bug 8636: Add dependency on Test::Deep
11:38 jenkins_koha   * veron: Bug 8812 - Staff Client: Patron search should display branch name instead of branch code in results table
11:38 jenkins_koha   * f.demians: Bug 8633 Manage OPAC alternate templates
11:37 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #875: SUCCESS in 1 hr 9 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/875/
11:35 jwagner        and hi mtompset
11:34 mtompset       Greetings, jwagner.
11:33 jwagner        hi magnuse
11:32 magnuse        kia ora jwagner
11:00 syed           i need to help koha web customisation
11:00 syed           any body here
10:59 syed           hello
10:54 kf             the list matches the history file
10:54 kf             it's everyone with a patch in koha
10:52 mtompset       Is the Koha development team just the people that added enhancements? (looking at the about page)
10:47 kf             jcamins_away: if you are around... I could need some help finding the correct marc21 fields for a library (patents and posters)
10:47 mtompset       Just got a Transient Delivery Failure. I hate when the mailing list sends me stuff like this when I send a reply to someone's question. *sigh* Hopefully it will correct itself.
10:45 WaqarAzeem     *browse
10:45 WaqarAzeem     thanks kf, can i brows the code online.
10:44 gerundio       I just want to use Koha right now, I don't need to know its insides :D
10:44 gerundio       my argument exactly
10:43 kf             gerundio: it can be done for some things, but might have side effects for others or just not work (like bilbiographic data) - you shoudl be careful and know what you do
10:43 kf             WaqarAzeem: sorry I haven't used the patron card printing functionality so far - you might get better answers using th amiling list
10:43 gerundio       I'm struggling here with a work colleague who just talks about injecting stuff directly into the DB
10:42 gerundio       kf, thanks for the input on that
10:37 huginn         New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_7412' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=65be03846d064dd6d9e7159550a269a352054b65> / Bug 7412: Follow up: Update preference to sentence <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=884005db08234d83ba17ede00b90d08ddf96933d> / Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_7751' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=comm
10:36 WaqarAzeem     The second is not a question but a Bug! that was leting me not to use this code.
10:35 WaqarAzeem     so, i have two question? from where i can print the card of patron without making a batch?
10:33 WaqarAzeem     the file print.pl already an implementation that if a list of borrower_number are provided then it start to create a pdf having all the patron (using the template layout of batch printing)
10:30 WaqarAzeem     I need to make some modification in koha patron page. So the admin can generate the PDF card from there.
10:30 WaqarAzeem     Good Everning! (Evening+Morning) :)
10:29 kf             jcamins_away: around?
10:28 kf             gerundio: most only have a few so and moving around does not happen so often
10:28 jenkins_koha   Starting build #875 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
10:28 kf             gerundio: hm no, there is no import/export for this
10:27 huginn         New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 3652 XSS vulnerability in facets <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a4bf495f3b7763059d6ceab2001fbf07313ca00d> / Bug 3652: XSS vulnerability in page numbering <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2e30600a5827deb1686d56ea00c27c232b22b7bc> / Bug 3652 : [SIGNED-OFF] [SECURITY] XSS vulnerability <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=53309fab
10:23 gerundio       is there any way, other than SQL injection, to import item types from one Koha installation to another one?
10:09 gaetan_B       bye !
09:56 kf             I am nto sure who is curently working on the pt-PT translations, but you might be able to contact them over the list
09:55 kf             koha-translate
09:55 wahanui        mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/
09:55 kf             mailing lists?
09:55 kf             there is a mailng list for translators if you have questions
09:54 kf             awesome :)
09:47 gerundio       ok, I'll try to take some time to improve the translations
09:47 gerundio       kf, I'm at work too, so I completly understand if you don't answer... take your time :)
09:46 kf             and it would be cool if you translated them to provide them for others to use later
09:45 kf             most of the things added by the web installer can be changed in koha itself later
09:44 kf             no sample files and translation of the framework
09:44 kf             there is no web installer in pt-PT yet I fear
09:44 kf             sorry gerundio - I am at work
09:42 gerundio       btw, there's a typo there, it should be bibliographic instead of bibligraphic, right?
09:41 gerundio       is there any way to add Default UNIMARC bibligraphic framework in other languages??
09:41 gerundio       Default UNIMARC bibligraphic framework in English.
09:41 gerundio       I'm on Step 3 of the Web installer now, where I'm asked to choose the Default Settings
09:36 gerundio       well EN it is then, I just wanted to make sure it was pre-installed :|
09:36 gerundio       the new language still doesn't show up in the web installer though
09:35 gerundio       they're there
09:34 gerundio       I found these references online regarding the default installation directories
09:34 gerundio       /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/prog/ and /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog/, right?
09:33 kf             koha-tmpl/.../prog - same level as the en directory
09:33 kf             in the 2 template directories for opac and intranet
09:33 kf             it should be a directory named with the language code
09:32 kf             have you tried created the directories?
09:32 kf             hm yes
09:32 gerundio       the 2nd one refering to the directories hierarchy is the one bugging me
09:32 gerundio       I just need to do as you say
09:32 gerundio       the 1st problem is not a real issue for me :)
09:31 gerundio       I'm familiar with poedit, used it in other projects
09:31 kf             they can be quite helpful to find the problematic strings
09:31 kf             you could also take a look at the po file with a tool like poedit
09:30 kf             and fix the problems :)
09:30 kf             and download newer files from there
09:30 gerundio       to fix the 1st problem, right?
09:30 kf             what you can do is get an account at translate.koha-community.org
09:29 gerundio       already rerun and the same happens over and over
09:29 kf             for the errors - it happens sometimes
09:29 kf             I think I had this happen before
09:29 kf             and just try to rerun
09:29 kf             you can ignore that
09:29 gerundio       the 2nd error I got is "Koha directories hierarchy for pt-PT must be created first"
09:28 gerundio       pt-PT in latest koha release
09:28 kf             which language and version is it?
09:28 gerundio       this one I think is because of a bad translation job
09:28 kf             ah sorry... I missed your first sentence
09:28 kf             youa re trying to install an additional language?
09:28 gerundio       tmpl_process3.pl: Warning: unconsistent %s count
09:28 gerundio       I'm experiencing some errors
09:27 gerundio       hi, I'm trying to install an additional language following the instructions at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Installation_of_additional_languages_for_OPAC_and_INTRANET_staff_client
09:25 kf             aaah
09:24 drojf          [off] i kind of think that is libsysguy ;)
09:23 kf             so him/her
09:23 kf             hm not sure, ellie sounded female
09:22 drojf          her?
09:20 kf             hm hope someone told her that remaping item fields is a really bad idea :( http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/fi16z/anybody_out_there_using_koha/
09:01 kf             evil empires interested in appearing in context of the koha name
09:00 mtompset       Which evil empire, rangi? There are so many now a days. :(
08:48 drojf          oh 19 readers. that drastically increased
08:47 drojf          subreddit… *giggles*
08:47 rangi          nope
08:46 kf             hm koha pastebin - is that you rangi?
08:46 kf             ah
08:46 rangi          if we dont register, someone else will
08:46 kf             hm?
08:45 rangi          basically you have to, or the evil empire will
08:44 drojf          omg i have never seen that wiki page. there is like a million koha places
08:41 kf             done
08:40 rangi          yes please
08:40 kf             want me to delete it from the wiki page?
08:39 rangi          gone
08:37 kf             not that many
08:37 kf             59 followers
08:36 kf             oh ok
08:36 rangi          i want to just kill the whole thing actually
08:36 kf             want me to add mtj?
08:36 kf             I was looking here
08:35 kf             http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Social_Networks
08:35 rangi          mtj changed it recently
08:35 rangi          mtj and I
08:35 kf             ah, the wiki says rangi
08:34 kf             who has control of the account?
08:34 kf             hm that last tweet from kohagit looks like it got hacked :(
07:52 kf             paul_p: hope your son feels better soon
07:52 paul_p         mtompset = for the box, it should be solved in 48-72H maximum (new box sent by UPS) For the boy, should be the same duration, probably ;-)
07:51 mtompset       Yay! IRC un-split. :)
07:51 mtompset       Hope your son gets better quickly, and the DSL box gets replaced soon too.
07:50 mtompset       paul_p: That's a bad situation.
07:50 mtompset       Ooo... IRC split?
07:50 paul_p         one boy ill, planned to work from home, and murphy's law = DSL box broken last night by an electric shock caused by the rain/lightning... thanks a lot 3G key !
07:49 paul_p         hi kf.
07:48 kf             morning paul_p
07:27 eythian        bye all
07:24 gaetan_B       :)
07:24 gaetan_B       bonjour mtompset et wahanui
07:23 mtompset       Hello, gaetan_B. :)
07:17 wahanui        hello, gaetan_B
07:17 gaetan_B       hello
07:12 kf             hey eythian and bonjour asaurat :)
07:12 mtompset       Greetings, julian_m, asaurat, sophie_m drojf, magnuse. ;)
07:12 asaurat        hi kf
07:12 eythian        hi all
07:12 kf             good morning #koha
07:12 julian_m       hi rangi magnuse mtompset
07:11 asaurat        hi!
07:11 sophie_m       hi rangi, hi #koha
07:11 rangi          hi drojf, asaurat, julian_m, sophie_m and magnuse
07:04 magnuse        kia ora #koha
07:00 drojf          good day #koha
06:53 alex_a         bonjour mtompset
06:53 mtompset       Greetings, rangi.
06:53 mtompset       salut, alex_a et reiveune
06:52 reiveune       hi rangi
06:52 rangi          hi reiveune
06:51 wahanui        what's up, reiveune
06:51 reiveune       hello
06:31 cait           hi alex_a_ and bye :)
06:23 alex_a_        salut rangi :)
06:23 rangi          hi alex_a_
06:22 alex_a_        bonjour #koha
06:19 mtompset       Though it has the files.
06:18 mtompset       Hmmm... even my 3.6.3 tarball didn't install it.
06:14 mtompset       It would seem that the docs directory didn't make it into the packages install.
06:06 mtompset       Hmmm... do you have a history.txt file in your Koha installation?
05:59 mtompset       Greetings, cait.
05:59 cait           hi rangi
05:59 cait           hi mtompset
05:55 mtompset       Greetings, #koha.
05:44 rangi          Redhat is so old and out of date, that you have to downgrade all the versions of things like zebra, and even perl to get close to getting it running
05:43 druthb         It is theoretically possible, but I've never made it work, and I'm an experienced linux admin.
05:41 druthb         RedHat Koha installation is a really good way to give yourself ulcers.
05:40 Oak            rebooting
05:40 Oak            yup. Debian or Ubuntu is the best choice.
05:39 cait           Ubuntu is ok too
05:38 cait           Maxie: Debian is the easiest - I woudl stick to that
05:38 cait           Maxie: it will be much harder to do with thoe
05:37 Oak            Maxie, https://www.google.com.pk/search?q=koha+on+centos&sugexp=chrome,mod=11&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
05:33 Maxie          Hi! Am looking to set up Koha for the first time but don't have any experience with Koha or Linux environments.  Have been reading about Koha and it says I should go for Linux Debian. Was wondering if anyone has done it on Linux Redhat or CentOS 6.2?
04:18 dhon_          I can now authenticate and issue commands over SIP2, thanks for the help
04:18 dhon_          eythian: all I had to do was add an Instution section to the SIPConfig.xml file that matched the instution used for the patron
03:26 wahanui        beer is proof that god loves us and wants us to be happy.
03:26 druthb         wahanui: beer?
03:13 wahanui        eythian: huh?
03:13 eythian        wahanui: ping
03:12 eythian        wahanui: is it beer o'clock
03:12 eythian        hmm
03:12 eythian        wahanui: is it beer o'clock?
03:12 eythian        wahanui: is it beer o'clock?
03:12 druthb         yah.  It's helped talljoy and I become more-interchangeable.  Keep the notes there, and someone else can sub in pretty quick.
03:11 eythian        Yeah, it's also handy if someone else has to take over because I'm off sick or something. They immediately know where to look.
03:11 druthb         before I spun up that wiki, I was using a .txt file in the client's directory on the work server.  The wiki is much nicer.  tags++
03:10 druthb         yah, me too.  I have a <code></code> block where I keep my script list.
03:09 eythian        yeah. I use a wiki for that, which contains all the migration steps for a given client,
03:09 druthb         the --itemsub or --col directives get used the same way over and over a lot.  Be nice to have in the repo a common config for that, that someone could customize as needed.
03:07 druthb         One of the things I'd kind of like to do for the biblio_masher.pl script, is the ability to use...oh, YAML or something...to haul in all those params.  That way, you could save configs you use over n over--like, Symphony configs are pretty darn common, for instance, or Millennium.   biblio_masher.pl --config=config.yml etcetc
03:04 druthb         that's my thinking, doing a mirror of the Good Stuff, somehow, and gradually cleaning up the Old Junque.
03:03 eythian        * someone
03:03 eythian        We* should set up gitorious on k-c.org.
03:03 eythian        ah right. Though, the merge request procedure on gitorious might be more useful in general for this type of thing. That said, maybe automatically mirroring there could be worthwhile.
03:02 druthb         gmcharlt created a repo for me on git.k-c, but I've not got around to pushing out refactored stuff.
03:02 eythian        yeah, it's not too bad as is, but a refactor as more stuff is added is never a bad thing.
03:01 eythian        cool
03:01 druthb         One of these moons, I need to get hardcore about making that pile o' goodies more....  rational.
03:01 druthb         I've got a carload of updates for that repo, too, but most of 'em are not in that file, so there shouldn't be any *major* conflicts going on.
02:59 eythian        :)
02:59 druthb         Has anyone told you lately, eythian, that you're freakin' *brilliant*?  Some clever new tricks in there.
02:59 druthb         ooooo...
02:56 eythian        https://gitorious.org/koha-toolbox/koha-migration-toolbox/merge_requests <-- got a link for you ;)
02:56 eythian        druthb: hi there
02:54 druthb         o/
02:22 wahanui        OK, eythian.
02:22 eythian        wahanui: ha ha tla is <reply>apt-get install darcs
02:05 wahanui        OK, eythian.
02:05 eythian        wahanui: ha ha subversion is <reply>apt-get install tla
02:03 wahanui        OK, eythian.
02:03 eythian        wahanui: ha ha cvs is <reply>apt-get install subversion
01:58 eythian        jcamins_away: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3576502&group_id=1254&atid=301254 -- I much prefer the bugzilla interface
01:53 eythian        I don't know what that would be.
01:53 dhon_          but I'm now getting "raw_transport: LOGIN ERROR: 'Can't call method "use" on an undefined value at /Sip/MsgType.pm line 832.#012'"
01:52 dhon_          and I can auth as that user
01:52 dhon_          added them to the sipconfig.xml
01:52 dhon_          I've created a patron "Sip Client" and set perm circulation
01:47 eythian        it's the permissions that are key
01:47 eythian        categories don't matter really
01:47 dhon_          would a SIP client patron be  "Staff"?
01:46 eythian        it is bad practice in production, but because it's not real, there can be strange things not working quite right.
01:46 dhon_          I'll try adding a new patron as you suggest
01:45 eythian        I'd probably avoid that as it may behave unexpectedly
01:45 dhon_          I have no idea
01:45 eythian        oh right.
01:45 dhon_          (which is probably bad practise, but in my case it doesn't matter)
01:44 eythian        ah right
01:44 dhon_          that was adding kohaadmin to SIPconfig.xml
01:44 eythian        cool, you're ahead of me then :)
01:44 dhon_          woo :) "Successful login/auth for 'kohaadmin' of 'MPL'"
01:44 eythian        so, create a user in the patrons interface, and then when viewing its detail, use more -> set permissions to give it whatever it needs.
01:42 dhon_          (not judging, just trying to understand)
01:42 dhon_          right
01:42 eythian        with the exception of kohaadmin, which isn't a real user
01:42 wahanui        I know.
01:42 eythian        that's right
01:41 dhon_          even a SIP client?
01:41 dhon_          so all users are "patrons"?
01:40 dhon_          (but I'm not sure if that's the right place to look)
01:40 eythian        you'lkl have to make one
01:40 dhon_          I couldn't see a koha user in the patrons list in the web interface
01:40 dhon_          maybe I need to define a kohaadmin user in the SIPconfig.xml file
01:39 dhon_          I'm now getting "api_auth failed for SIP terminal 'koha' or 'kohalibrary'"
01:39 dhon_          just reading syslog
01:39 eythian        what does it say?
01:37 dhon_          if you telnet to 8023 you get a telnet login prompt
01:37 dhon_          it uses the raw transport, rather than the telnet transport
01:37 eythian        ah
01:36 dhon_          had to edit the SIPconfig.xml to allow remote connections on the SIP2 port
01:36 eythian        it's something :)
01:35 dhon_          :) at least I'm getting a response from the SIP server now
01:35 dhon_          success! "Login FAIL"
01:34 eythian        6001 is the standard port for it though
01:34 eythian        I haven't messed with SIP all that much
01:33 dhon_          (not sure exactly how telnet works)
01:33 dhon_          it expects credentails to be supplied in some other format
01:32 dhon_          okay, so port 8023 seems to be a telnet interface
01:21 * jcamins_away leaves
01:21 jcamins_away   They're staff users.
01:21 jcamins_away   No, the login values are used to login to Koha.
01:19 eythian        I don't actually know
01:18 dhon_          so are the login values in SIPconfig.xml just ignored?
01:07 dhon_          yeah that looks like it - thanks
01:06 eythian        I don't know how the vm is set up, but it's possible it's on port 8080
01:06 dhon_          maybe I'm stuck in an opac loop
01:06 dhon_          the docs say More->... but I can't see a "More"
01:05 dhon_          is there an admin url sorry?
00:56 dhon_          yeah :) just think how many wifi APs there are with the default SSID & password
00:55 eythian        erk, that's a good reason to not use the prebuilt type things in production: I be _nobody_ changes the default superuser password.
00:54 jcamins        http://kylehall.info/index.php/projects/koha/koha-virtual-appliance/
00:54 dhon_          got it: kohaadmin:katikoan
00:52 eythian        (usually near the bottom)
00:52 eythian        otherwise, you can look in the koha-conf.xml for the database credentials and use them.
00:52 eythian        I'm not sure, I'd presume it's documented somewhere.
00:51 dhon_          what's the admin user/pass for the VM?
00:49 eythian        Not strictly
00:49 papa           gone international?
00:49 papa           oh hi there
00:48 eythian        hi papa
00:45 jcamins        Yes.
00:45 dhon_          can I administer that via the(?) web interface?
00:44 dhon_          okay, sorry I'm new to all this
00:44 jcamins        The koha user should have the koha password and at least circulation permissions.
00:44 jcamins        dhon_: it authenticates with Koha.
00:44 dhon_          is there a central authentication mechanism, or do you mean in the SIPconfig.xml file?
00:42 eythian        yeah, but if the 'koha' user doesn't have the permissions that SIP needs, it won't let you log in.
00:42 dhon_          93 is just the login message
00:42 eythian        possibly circulation or something.
00:42 eythian        there's a specific one they need, I forget which
00:42 dhon_          not sure
00:42 eythian        permissions, rather
00:41 eythian        does the Koha user you're using have the appropriate credentials?
00:41 dhon_          <login id="koha"   password="koha"  delimiter="|" error-detect="enabled" institution="kohalibrary" />
00:41 dhon_          the koha user is defined in the SIPconfig.xml file:
00:39 dhon_          the SIP2 msg was: 9300CNkoha|COkoha|CP|AY1AZF75E
00:38 dhon_          http://pastebin.com/CpB6QZRp
00:38 dhon_          I think I'm getting login failure when using valid credentials
00:13 eythian        no problem
00:10 dhon_          okay, well I'm getting somewhere - thanks for the help jcamins & eythian
00:07 jcamins        I don't know, but that does sound a bit odd.
00:06 dhon_          cool, so it listens locally on 6001, and remotely on 8023? is that common?
00:04 dhon_          helps if you specify the right path for the config file
00:04 dhon_          ah-ha!
00:01 dhon_          I can't see anything LISTENing on 6001 though
00:00 eythian        that's good behavior :)
00:00 dhon_          well, it found the config and backgrounded a process..