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23:08 rangi fixed
23:01 jcamins Thanks.
23:01 rangi ta will fix
23:01 jcamins rangi: "Elliott" has two 't's.
22:46 rangi cool
22:46 user110 sadly, I'll miss Nicole's talk at Internet Librarian on 21 Oct, but if Koha comes up in any of the sessions I attend I'll tweet it
22:41 rangi any general ones
22:41 user110 is the #kohails used for any general tweets relating to Koha, or only certain things?
22:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8700 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , RESERVESLIP fields not being replaced correctly
22:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8441 minor, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Stable , Hide MODS export for UNIMARC
22:23 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 8700 - RESERVESLIP fields not being replaced correctly
22:23 jenkins_koha * adrien.saurat: Bug 8441: hides MODS export by default in French install
22:23 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #198: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/198/
21:47 drojf increased 0 times? that is hard to believe
21:46 huginn jcamins: Karma for "marc" has been increased 0 times and decreased 9 times for a total karma of -9.
21:46 jcamins @karma marc
21:46 rangi https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/jenkins-notifier-for-chro/mnjbjjllbclkpnebaddhkoonjelmiekm?hl=en-US&utm_source=chrome-ntp-launcher
21:46 jcamins Really?
21:46 huginn jcamins: rda has neutral karma.
21:46 jcamins @karma rda
21:43 jenkins_koha Starting build #198 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
21:31 wizzyrea interesting indeed
21:28 wahanui hmmm... interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
21:28 rangi interesting
21:28 rangi http://nitrotasks.com/
21:19 rangi yup
21:19 wizzyrea jebus.
21:19 wizzyrea and finished 3rd
21:18 wizzyrea wow srs.
21:17 rangi http://alumni.stanford.edu/get/page/magazine/article/?article_id=30828 <-- she doesnt need to HTFU
21:15 wizzyrea i don't have my tickets - I would have to find somewhere to stash the kiddo ;)
20:58 trea night cait
20:57 rangi cya cait
20:57 cait night all :)
20:57 cait getting late :)
20:57 cait okok
20:55 cait love the titles
20:53 cait *sigh :)
20:53 rangi looking forward to that one
20:53 rangi https://kiwicon.org/the-con/talks/#e77
20:52 * trea claps excitedly
20:52 rangi oh yes trea ! you too!
20:51 trea ooo
20:51 * rangi has his tickets already
20:51 rangi https://kiwicon.org/the-con/talks/
20:50 rangi is wizzyrea back?
20:43 rangi http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/local-papers/horowhenua-mail/7766354/Pride-of-the-community
20:26 rangi when i get time ill finish it off
20:24 rangi yup, it's half done
20:24 ibeardslee you doing some dev for that?
20:22 rangi reminds me i need to finish my mozilla persona work
20:21 rangi https://www.privacyfix.com/start
20:19 rangi cya oleonard
20:19 drojf did someone say postgresql?
20:18 * oleonard waves goodbye to #koha
20:17 rangi oh yeah, forgot about that!
20:16 oleonard But... db agnosticism would suggest that there isn't one db which is better than all the rest!
20:15 rangi [off] we could just enter an arms race, jump right to 6.0
20:15 rangi getting rid of kohastructure.sql is a big step along that path
20:13 jcamins Or two, though that doesn't seem likely.
20:12 rangi id say db agnosticism would be a definite candidate for a major number bump
20:12 libsysguy [off] HA
20:12 rangi [off] that's how others did it
20:12 rangi [off] fork and act unethically ?
20:12 libsysguy aww you're giving up after just one go?
20:11 khall heh
20:11 jcamins A successor to yours truly.
20:11 khall here's a question, what will get is to Koha 4.0?
20:10 khall 5365 lines
20:10 khall it's huge again!
20:09 khall I was just about to say that. I recall it being reset when we went to 3.0
20:09 rangi updatedatabase.pl is too long
20:09 rangi plus maintainablilty
20:08 rangi yup
20:08 khall What would you consider the biggest reason to switch to versioned from what we have? I would assume db agnosticism?
20:08 khall that would work.
20:06 rangi but we can use versioned + scripts
20:06 khall if we use versioned, what do we do about db updates that require perl code?
20:06 rangi yup
20:06 khall DeploymentHandler has other features that make it better, such as allowing perl scripts as part of the upgrade proccess.
20:06 libsysguy problem solved
20:06 * libsysguy shrugs
20:05 rangi i like versioned
20:05 jcamins I think using Versioned would be a great idea.
20:05 libsysguy we just won't support downgrades
20:05 libsysguy well I think its still possible for use to use versioned
20:05 rangi i still would like to see something easier for testing
20:05 khall I'd say this dead horse has been throughly beaten at this point ; )
20:04 rangi [off] 2 week release cycles too
20:04 jcamins khall: well, there's the thing. We don't traditionally write our updates to be two-way, and most of the time the upgrades aren't idempotent, they just happen to cause errors when you rerun them.
20:04 rangi [off] stuff.co.nz .. we have to deal with this stuff a lot
20:04 wahanui I know. That's why I said it.
20:04 khall very true
20:04 rangi ie, going back .. not doable
20:03 rangi khall: that transform might be a one way transform tho
20:03 cait if we tried to
20:03 cait andi am withrangi - I foresee lots and lots and lots of trouble
20:03 khall cait++
20:03 cait I think better work on never ever make it necessary for people to downgrade
20:03 khall how often is db data destroyed in an upgrade? I'd say rarely at most. It's usually new or transformed.
20:03 libsysguy heh
20:02 libsysguy maybe a warning…"YO FOOL YOU ABOUT TO DELTE SOME DATA!!!"
20:02 rangi then you try to downgrade
20:02 rangi then you do 3 days of circ
20:02 rangi but what if the upgrade is to add a column to issues
20:02 rangi i can see the use for development when you dont care about the data as much
20:01 libsysguy man you guys are a tough crowd :p
20:01 rangi automated downgrades = most likely asplode and kill us all
20:01 jcamins You have a backup from that same time, just use it.
20:01 jcamins Better to not sugarcoat it and say "we support downgrades."
20:01 libsysguy but in a pinch
20:01 libsysguy it could
20:01 rangi do i go back and lose a day of circ
20:01 jcamins libsysguy: seems like that would be likely to lead to unwanted side effects.
20:01 rangi data is stale now
20:00 rangi if so, then you run into the same problem just using backups is
20:00 khall you mean downgrade-ability? rangi has a good point. I think we could say 'this version can downgrade to this version'
20:00 libsysguy i think
20:00 libsysguy ahh downgrades for deployment handler use the backups it makes
19:59 cait khall: but do you want to make that a regular thing?
19:59 jcamins ymmv is your mileage may vary
19:59 khall np
19:59 cait thx
19:59 libsysguy heh
19:59 khall your milage may vary
19:59 libsysguy ^^
19:59 cait ymmv?
19:59 rangi so ymmv
19:59 rangi in 13 years
19:58 * rangi hasnt
19:58 khall we've had to downgrade Koha sites due to make-or-break bugs that weren't found before release.
19:58 rangi once data is gone, its gone
19:57 rangi having a downgrade system devs can use isnt a bad goal, but having it be useful in production is unlikely to ever be achieved
19:57 * jcamins wrote his own deployment system years ago.
19:57 rangi the best downgrade, is a back up ;-)
19:56 * rangi has spent years trying to get reliable down patches for huge ssystems
19:56 cait not for libraries
19:56 jcamins libsysguy: the problem with downgrades is upgrade design, not technology.
19:56 cait i think it's only an interesting features for developers
19:56 cait what rangi says
19:56 rangi the data is gone
19:56 libsysguy insert?
19:56 rangi how do you downgrade from removing a column
19:56 khall seriously, downgrades would be very very useful
19:56 rangi heh, i wish those ever worked :)
19:55 libsysguy b-b-but deployment handler has downgrades for when we screw up :p
19:55 jcamins Yeah, Moo was written in large part to fix the Mouse + Any::Moose + things like Plack = chaos.
19:55 rangi if you could get it to go with moo, you'd be moving away from crazy
19:55 jcamins There's a page somewhere that explains why that will result in insanity under Plack.
19:54 khall figured ; )=
19:54 jcamins Crazy.
19:54 khall I'm wondering if Mouse + Any::Moose + DBIx::Class::DeploymentHandler is viable, or crazy
19:54 libsysguy back
19:53 rangi mouse is better than moose, but still about 3times as big as moo, and slower
19:53 * oleonard thinks these names are getting ridiculous
19:52 khall any thoughts on Mouse?
19:52 libsysguy brb
19:52 huginn 04Bug 7417: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Include alternate forms from authorities in bibliographic searches
19:52 jcamins http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7417#c23 <-- speed
19:52 rangi but yeah the xs libs are what makes cross platform stuff harder
19:52 rangi heh
19:52 * libsysguy is not THAT motivated
19:52 drojf lol rangi
19:52 rangi and windows if you were demented
19:52 cait jcamins: hope you hear back soon :)
19:51 rangi so, could work on OSX if you were mental
19:51 rangi and doesnt depend on XS libs
19:51 jcamins But ten times faster.
19:51 jcamins It's a little more than half of what Moose offers.
19:51 libsysguy just truncate Moose to Moo
19:51 jcamins No new news to report. Waiting on feedback from one of our earliest funders, then we'll do 1(b).
19:51 libsysguy clever
19:50 jcamins cait: I think so, yes.
19:50 jcamins And it meets the "must be easily packageable" requirement.
19:50 cait jcamins: how is the funding going? is the page up to date?
19:50 rangi http://search.cpan.org/~mstrout/Moo-1.000004/lib/Moo.pm
19:50 jcamins Moo is pretty cool.
19:50 rangi but libsysguy/khall if you like OO frameworks, and you want one fast, and powerful check out moo
19:50 jcamins lol
19:49 libsysguy you've had what…like a week
19:49 rangi which incidentally is looking really good so far
19:49 libsysguy why isn't that done yet
19:49 libsysguy yeah jcamins
19:49 rangi im just waiting for jcamins to fix it all with his search rewrite :-)
19:49 cait can't we make it talk to solr using something else?
19:48 * libsysguy remembers that jcamins
19:48 rangi Data::SearchEngine
19:48 cait and as solr is the only thing using moose right now...
19:48 rangi in particular
19:48 libsysguy well the solr integration bits :p
19:48 rangi its just the implementation we have to talk to solr
19:48 jcamins I ended up needing to reinstall every single package in order to get Koha to run again after I tried to package a newer version of Moose in order to test Solr.
19:48 rangi solr itself doesnt give a crap about perl :)
19:48 libsysguy so both koha and solr are incompatible or just just solr currently in koha?
19:48 rangi you get into a messy upgrade/downgrade nightmare
19:47 rangi the problem is the code for solr is incompatible with the packaged version of moose
19:47 jcamins Dead.
19:47 jcamins Right, try using that with Koha and you'll kill your system.
19:47 rangi 08:42 <@rangi> its code that is incompatible with the packaged version that is the problem
19:47 libsysguy am I missing something http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libmoose-perl
19:46 khall but isn't moose available in debian packages?
19:46 liw packaging more cpan modules for Debian: ++
19:45 jcamins It's things like Moose that require tearing apart your environment in order to install -- much less package -- that are problems.
19:45 rangi its code that is incompatible with the packaged version that is the problem
19:45 jcamins I'm comfortable with "not currently available but readily packageable."
19:45 rangi not available is ok, we can package it
19:44 khall if we set the rule 'nothing that's not available as a debian package' I may not like it, but I could get behind it.
19:44 rangi and therefore ubuntu
19:44 magnuse have fun #koha
19:44 rangi and most of them made it into the squeeze, the rest are in wheezy
19:43 rangi liw and eythian have packaged tons of modules for debian
19:43 rangi yep, there are very little that are cpan only (just the solr stuff)
19:43 jcamins khall: agreed. That's why we're moving towards Debian packages.
19:42 khall what I really don't like is needing to install both from debian packages and from cpan.
19:42 rangi replicating even
19:42 rangi unless you want to commit to replicated the debian security team :-)
19:41 rangi debian maintained packages trump cpanm any day
19:41 khall heh : )=
19:41 rangi again
19:41 rangi ill say NO
19:41 khall I've said it before, and I'll say it again, cpanm ; )
19:41 rangi is ::Versioned deprecated?
19:40 jcamins libsysguy: it is for the current implementation, but see note above about "having it work."
19:39 libsysguy ^^ could be wrong
19:39 libsysguy I thought Moose was required for Solr?
19:39 drojf lol
19:39 libsysguy haha
19:39 rangi </rant>
19:39 rangi its for lazy developers who think their time is more important than the users
19:39 rangi moose is rails
19:39 rangi heaps
19:39 rangi tiny::class
19:39 * cait likes the sound of moo
19:38 rangi moo
19:38 rangi yep
19:38 rangi there are better oo frameworks
19:38 libsysguy really
19:38 cait forever?
19:38 rangi forever quite easily
19:38 cait I mean it would be an absolute requirement for update
19:38 libsysguy how long can we avoid Moose
19:38 cait are there distros that don't support moose for example?
19:38 cait and only for an update that seems a bit...
19:38 libsysguy hehehe
19:38 rangi cos no one else is going to :)
19:38 libsysguy :'(
19:38 rangi yup
19:38 jcamins libsysguy: 'cause we have to check the system is up to date.
19:38 libsysguy heh
19:38 libsysguy if "I" package it?
19:37 rangi then i might slightly consider it
19:37 rangi if you package moose as a deb, and have it work
19:37 libsysguy because the other version is depricated
19:37 rangi why pull in half of cpan for a rarely used feature then?
19:36 libsysguy if deployment handler uses moose, which is laggy and monstrously large…what do we care if it is only called during an update…
19:36 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Roles for the 3.12 Koha release http://t.co/kjEacIst"
19:36 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails New Release team for Koha 3.12 http://t.co/mXPRlAjM"
19:36 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails DBIx::Class http://t.co/xkIwL1RL"
19:36 libsysguy and I am going to repeat it
19:35 libsysguy well it was khall's thought
19:35 libsysguy but I had a thought
19:35 libsysguy jcamins I know you are anti-deployment handler
19:35 libsysguy somebody said my nick 3 times
19:34 * magnuse will try to remember that
19:34 jcamins Just DeploymentHandler.
19:34 magnuse ah
19:34 jcamins Nope.
19:34 magnuse i was just not sure if DBIC somehow depended on Moose
19:34 rangi deploymenthandler uses moose
19:33 jcamins We need persistance if we're using Moose for anything that people use.
19:33 magnuse yeah, i remember that much... :-)
19:33 rangi worlds slowest OO framework
19:33 rangi but we do if we want to throw moose anywhere near anything
19:33 rangi nope
19:33 magnuse do we need persistance to use DBIC?
19:33 * cait should start on a reading list
19:33 * magnuse has a short memory
19:33 cait guess as qam I should know what you are talking about...
19:32 cait oh
19:32 jcamins libsysguy really wants to use it.
19:32 jcamins cait: DeploymentHandler.
19:32 magnuse \o/
19:31 drojf \o/
19:31 cait drojf: my guess is no - seems to be more each time
19:31 rangi drojf: nope biggest team ever
19:31 cait jcamins: hm?
19:31 drojf that list is cool. have there ever been that many people with roles?
19:31 jcamins libsysguy: you really just keep hoping I'll forget that we only support CGI out-of-the-box, don't you?
19:30 drojf oi know, you live in the future :)
19:30 rangi it was yesterday for me :)
19:29 drojf October 10th, 2012 by Chris Cormack "Yesterday the Koha community held an IRC meeting" <- future rangi strikes again ;)
19:29 magnuse now watch bywater's server get #koha'ed...
19:28 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "DBIx::Class http://t.co/8UTe7zqZ #kohails"
19:28 * magnuse thought he had flash
19:28 oleonard It does require flash
19:28 rangi ah annoying
19:27 magnuse rangi: that song won't play - ff complains about not finding flash...
19:27 cait with the little sheep on the clothes :)
19:27 jcamins wizzyrea: you know, it never occurred to me to think about that nursery rhyme.
19:26 wizzyrea afk for a bit
19:26 * magnuse blushes :-)
19:26 * cait nods and agrees
19:26 wizzyrea i'm sure many of you have seen the epic adorable that is magnus' facebook profile pic.
19:26 jcamins Awww.
19:25 wizzyrea at least it wasn't 4 and 20
19:25 rangi cute!
19:25 cait cutest baby ever
19:25 jcamins The "I had to kill twelve animals in order to make a pie?" realization was unwanted.
19:25 wizzyrea awwwwwwwwwwww
19:25 libsysguy i'm sure it'll be here in a min via the twitbot
19:25 magnuse [off] http://www.enger.priv.no/lpbs/leonard39.jpg
19:25 libsysguy I just put up my blog post on how to use DBIx::Class
19:25 rangi in macau
19:24 jcamins It was the cooking.
19:24 wizzyrea ok they are adorable. I could not eat that.
19:24 rangi ive eaten pigeon
19:24 jcamins Actually, it wasn't the eating that was the problem.
19:24 cait they are not as cute
19:24 * jcamins ate pigeon once.
19:24 cait doesn't have leonard a stuffed puffin?
19:24 magnuse yup
19:24 cait you woud eat a cute bird like this?
19:24 jcamins cait: go QA things!
19:23 * magnuse has eaten puffin, once
19:23 magnuse wizzyrea: hehe
19:23 oleonard Those are in order by increasing unlikeliness?
19:23 wizzyrea well just because I didn't *think* of them as cold weather birds doesn't mean my thinking was *right*
19:23 cait jcamins: it was decided yo uhave to entertain me in the afternoons now when liz will be no longer available
19:23 wizzyrea oh I want to invent time travel
19:22 magnuse wizzyrea: do they live anywhere not cold?
19:22 cait yep awesome list
19:22 * cait likes this one http://www.flickr.com/photos/lundeblogg/417309759/in/photostream/
19:22 jcamins rangi++ # for points 5-8
19:22 rangi (thats for magnuse)
19:22 rangi http://soundcloud.com/poire-a-lavement/juliet-my-first-hardcore-song
19:22 rangi Get your two step on
19:22 wizzyrea I did not think of puffins as a cold weather bird.
19:22 jcamins lol
19:22 magnuse hmmm...
19:21 * oleonard was just thinking of a visit :)
19:21 cait magnuse: yeah, get oleonard :)
19:21 * magnuse wishes he could hire lots of cool koha folks like wizzyrea
19:21 wizzyrea it's "use koha to save the americans" day
19:21 wizzyrea oh, get oleonard
19:21 magnuse ooh!
19:21 wizzyrea maybe?
19:21 oleonard Hey, I wanna go to Oslo!
19:21 wizzyrea lol. oy.
19:21 drojf wizzyrea: planning to work for libriotech in the future? ;)
19:20 magnuse yay!
19:20 wizzyrea i do love biology.
19:20 cait I favor that - same time zone
19:20 magnuse there are some in oslo, but i can't pronise anything :-)
19:20 cait heh :)
19:20 wizzyrea well more or less.
19:20 wizzyrea j/k
19:20 wizzyrea actually that will probably be my next trick.
19:20 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ranginui: "New Release team for Koha 3.12 http://t.co/iKFS2LPj #kohails"
19:20 cait dogs
19:20 cait well... only for 2 days... and no puffin digs
19:20 magnuse wizzyrea: you better come over and dedicate a year or two to studying norwegian biology :-)
19:20 cait wizzyrea: you are going to nz - but I will go to oslo!
19:19 * magnuse can see them from his living room window, some years
19:19 wizzyrea i am clearly uneducated in the biology of norway
19:19 magnuse but their numbers are dwindling, sadly
19:19 magnuse sure we do - still a fair number
19:18 rangi :)
19:18 magnuse they are in fact specially adapted to hunt exactly puffins
19:18 * wizzyrea rimshots
19:18 wahanui puffins are birds, unless you're talking about the dogs.
19:18 jcamins puffins?
19:18 rangi not anymore
19:18 wizzyrea you have puffins in norway?
19:18 magnuse 'cause they were used to hunt puffins
19:18 wizzyrea because they are balls of adorable puffy fur?
19:18 wizzyrea but why *puffin*
19:18 wizzyrea "Norwegian Puffin Dog"
19:17 magnuse see, we gotta have kohacon up here some time in the future so y'all can meet some puffindogs :-)
19:17 wizzyrea cute cute cute
19:17 wizzyrea I like this one: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lundeblogg/417307918/sizes/l/in/photostream/
19:16 magnuse hehe
19:16 * wizzyrea dies from the cute
19:16 magnuse then have a look at this pic: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lundeblogg/417311473/
19:16 wizzyrea whoa.
19:15 cait they have too many toes and can move their head like the person in the excorsict
19:15 wizzyrea oh my that dog is adorable.
19:15 * wizzyrea reads
19:15 cait indeed
19:15 magnuse wizzyrea: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lundehund <-- read that and be amazed! :-)
19:14 drojf they would not fit because of the extra toes ;)
19:14 jcamins wizzyrea: according to wahanui, they're not birds.
19:14 * wizzyrea is still lost - what are puffin dogs?
19:13 * magnuse tries not to store puffindogs in *either db fields or marcxml tags fields too often
19:13 drojf puffin dog items?
19:13 jcamins items.
19:12 wajasu where were they stored? in db fields? or marcxml tag fields?
19:12 wahanui puffin dogs are not birds
19:12 jcamins puffin dogs?
19:12 magnuse yup!
19:12 cait was wondering why you repeated that :)
19:12 drojf magnuse: :)
19:12 wizzyrea puffin dogs?
19:12 magnuse cait?
19:12 wizzyrea puffin dogs!
19:12 cait magnuse? :)
19:12 jcamins No, it removes items from biblioitems entirely.
19:12 magnuse drojf: nope, mine are puffin dogs :-)
19:11 wajasu do that remove duplicate info from the marc or marcxml in biblioitems?
19:11 * wajasu such is the sound of remove_items_from_biblioitems.
19:10 wajasu ha
19:10 wahanui 8*500 is probably 200
19:10 jcamins 8*500?
19:10 jcamins 8*500
19:10 * oleonard did that in his head
19:09 oleonard Yup, checks out.
19:09 wahanui -24213
19:09 oleonard 4000 / 8 - 321 * 77 + 4 ?
19:09 wajasu 8*500
19:09 cait heh, ok, that was really lazy
19:09 cait right
19:09 wahanui 500
19:09 oleonard 4000 / 8 ?
19:08 cait oh come on wahanui :)
19:08 cait 4000/8
19:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8897 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, In Discussion , Optional GnuPG encryption of outgoing emails
19:00 drojf bug 8897
18:59 oleonard What about gpg emails?
18:50 cait :)
18:50 rangi ooh accessibility hour is one of the talks, and gerrit is another
18:49 * cait too
18:48 * jcamins is jealous.
18:48 cait wizzyrea: you are so lucky!
18:47 rangi drojf++ #gpg emails
18:46 rangi back
18:44 wizzyrea curry!
18:44 * jcamins didn't bother reading it all, much less the rest of the post.
18:44 jcamins The first sentence of that blog post was... 10 lines long?
18:44 jcamins Note to bloggers: when blogging, you still need punctuation.
18:42 wajasu ok.
18:42 jcamins Interesting. You should file a bug.
18:41 wajasu jcamins: i noticed that when i ran link_bibs_to_authorites.pl with --test, it calls LinkBibHeadingsToAuthorities, which if you have AutoAddAuthorities syspref enabled, calls AddAuthority, which results in auth_header being updated.
18:38 rangi Bbiab
18:36 rangi I wonder what topics today
18:36 rangi Pizza and talks
18:35 cait lucky liz :)
18:32 rangi Two catalyst traditions liz will learn
18:31 jcamins Ah, curries are contentious here.
18:31 rangi It's curry Wednesday
18:31 rangi It's never pizza Wednesday
18:31 * jcamins saw "pizza" which is exactly what he was thinking about a scant five minutes ago.
18:30 jcamins Pizza Wednesday.
18:30 jcamins You're right.
18:30 cait no, it was pizza wednesday :)
18:29 jcamins I was thinking that too.
18:29 rangi Hmm I think it's pizza Thursday
18:18 rangi Will do when I get to work
18:16 jcamins_away rangi++ # for volunteering
18:16 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Cataloging in Koha 3.8 http://t.co/Qshqm80W #kohails"
18:08 rangi Me I guess
18:08 rangi Hehe
18:08 cait I asked ealier and noone reacted :)
18:06 rangi Who wants to post the roles on the website?
18:03 cait morning :)
18:02 wahanui somebody said Morning was a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
18:02 rangi Morning
17:48 mveron Cool, this calendar...
17:43 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails The New Koha Calendar http://t.co/6XB7z3m9"
17:43 * cait waves
17:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8831 minor, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Pushed to Master , gstrate should say 'Tax rate'
17:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8700 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , RESERVESLIP fields not being replaced correctly
17:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8820 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Don't show orders table if there are no orders
17:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8801 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Offer to batch delete items of a biblio record
17:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8742 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Passed QA , Example uses perl 5.8 in Makefile.PL
17:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8441 minor, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , Hide MODS export for UNIMARC
17:24 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 8831: relabel gstrate with Tax rate
17:24 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 8700 - RESERVESLIP fields not being replaced correctly
17:24 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8820 - Don't show orders table if there are no orders
17:24 jenkins_koha * julian.maurice: Bug 8801: Add menu entry to delete items in batch
17:24 jenkins_koha * mtompset: Bug 8742 - Example uses perl 5.8 in Makefile.PL
17:24 jenkins_koha * adrien.saurat: Bug 8441: hides MODS export by default in French install
17:24 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #874: SUCCESS in 1 hr 10 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/874/
17:19 libsysguy thanks wahanui
17:19 wahanui hmmm... logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/
17:19 libsysguy logs?
17:19 libsysguy not funny man
17:19 wahanui oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer
17:19 libsysguy oleonard
17:19 libsysguy NOOOO
17:19 drojf libsysguy: kidding
17:19 oleonard Or better yet: bad luck, we voted for you for everything libsysguy
17:19 libsysguy hehe less QA for me then
17:19 drojf bad luck, we voted for you now jcamins :P
17:18 drojf bad luck, we did not vote for you now libsysguy :P
17:18 * jcamins remembered. But I decided that I needed to sleep, after having been up at 4 yesterday.
17:18 libsysguy I totally forgot
17:18 libsysguy shoot i missed the meeting this morning
17:14 sekjal while (true) { kf++;} #congrats on QAM for 3.12!
17:13 SJeffery Sadly, I have zero control about anything on our local systems and only a tiny bit of control of our network.
17:11 wizzyrea afk lunch
17:10 wizzyrea (because that's totally not my intention)
17:10 * wizzyrea hopes that she's not sticking her foot in her mouth and that you are the person making these decisions >.<
17:09 wizzyrea or, convince IT that they should not force you to use IE?
17:09 * jcamins does not make any claims to this being a good idea.
17:09 jcamins SJeffery: well, perhaps you could persuade IT to change the security policy for the Koha catalog to LAN?
17:08 SJeffery drojf: I will be at the next Koha conference, and I *will* find you!
17:08 drojf ha-ha *hides*
17:07 jcamins Oh, of course... a security issue, now fixed.
17:07 wizzyrea I often wonder how people who use IE view the web - they must think it's completely broken.
17:06 SJeffery I think this might be the issue (from the bottom of the wikipedia page): "Internet Explorer browsers, prior to version 7, will attempt to access file: URLs even if they reside on pages fetched over HTTP"
17:06 jcamins For the OPAC.
17:06 SJeffery Actually, the internet did sortof stop working. Entire parts of pages would not render at all.
17:06 jcamins wizzyrea: actually, other than javascript, it functioned reasonably okay, I think.
17:05 * wizzyrea suspects the answer is "not well"
17:05 wizzyrea more importantly, how did Koha work?
17:05 libsysguy i think developers gave up on 6 years ago
17:05 libsysguy did the internet even work?
17:05 libsysguy holy mother...
17:04 libsysguy IE6
17:04 wizzyrea recently as in the last 6 months?
17:03 * wizzyrea shudders
17:03 SJeffery We were on 6 until recently
17:03 * jcamins shudders.
17:03 wizzyrea oh, well yes.
17:03 jcamins Yes.
17:03 jcamins wizzyrea: compared to IE7?
17:03 wizzyrea that's the plus side?
17:03 wizzyrea the plus side?
17:03 SJeffery on the plus side, we run IE8:)
17:02 jcamins It's just a workaround, but it might by you another patch or two.
17:01 jcamins SJeffery: try adding two additional slashes?
17:00 oleonard http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_URI_scheme
16:59 jcamins It is a Wednesday.
16:59 wizzyrea and now it doesn't
16:59 wizzyrea but IE had an update
16:59 * wizzyrea totally suspects that it *did* work
16:59 jcamins actually, not all that surprising.
16:59 wizzyrea yea, why are you using IE?
16:59 jcamins That's...
16:59 libsysguy solution: don't use IE
16:59 jcamins SJeffery: IE doesn't support clicking on the link?
16:58 SJeffery tried the file(colon)/, that works, but apparently IE does not support clicking on that type of link...figures.
16:58 * jcamins has cut back on meat, and that's about all the dietary changes he's making at this time.
16:57 wizzyrea oats are okish.
16:57 * libsysguy needs a gym to get back to :'(
16:57 wizzyrea hehe oleonard
16:57 * libsysguy will start eating oats again when I get back to a gym
16:57 * jcamins is not giving up grains.
16:57 libsysguy hehe thanks wizzyrea
16:56 libsysguy it is confusing
16:56 jcamins wizzyrea: and of course when you're doing really well you have to say "EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!"
16:56 * oleonard is confused by conflicting dietary advice
16:56 * wizzyrea is being encouraging
16:55 wizzyrea ;)
16:55 wizzyrea you don't eat that stuff anymore.
16:55 wizzyrea boo grain is evil.
16:55 wizzyrea no way http://bit.ly/dw_monopolygame
16:54 libsysguy if I could have some carbs :'(
16:54 libsysguy lunch does sound good
16:51 wizzyrea hehe
16:51 jcamins Not bad, eh?
16:50 jcamins Put on a happy face when IE puts you out, walk down the net and for the right syntax look...
16:50 wizzyrea heh.
16:49 jcamins lol
16:48 SJeffery Emoticons are the way to fix IE? Who would have thought:)
16:48 jcamins file://server/path/to/file
16:48 jcamins SJeffery: wait, why don't you just stick file:// in front of it?
16:46 jcamins Actually, IE may need fewer. Maybe just \\\\?
16:46 jcamins You only use IE.
16:46 jcamins Try \\\\\\\\?
16:45 jcamins I don't quite remember.
16:45 jcamins Or \\\\\\\\.
16:45 jcamins That's the reason for that Microsoft stuck \/\/\/\/ in URLs at one point.
16:45 SJeffery Is there a way to trick the browser into not using it?
16:44 jcamins *it
16:44 SJeffery (or broken, which means working!)
16:44 jcamins If you use a relative path, your web browser will interpret as being on the same server.
16:44 SJeffery I swear I had it working at one point!
16:44 * libsysguy only considers himself a demigod :p
16:43 * oleonard blames IE whenever possible
16:43 libsysguy jcamins SJeffery thinks we're gods :p
16:43 jcamins At least as far as I can recall.
16:43 jcamins Hmmm... it's always been like that.
16:43 SJeffery You used to be able to put //servername/path/file.ext in the 856 and have it work (at least in IE). Now that no longer works...it tries to add the base URL of the installation to the address. I can't recall patching IE, so I will happily blame the Koha gods.
16:42 jcamins I don't recall any changes to URL handling.
16:42 libsysguy heh silly wizzyrea
16:42 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot ^^
16:42 wizzyrea forget ^^
16:41 wahanui hmmm... ^^ is always wizzyrea's concern, weird stuff could happen
16:41 libsysguy ^^ ?
16:41 oleonard "handles URLs?"
16:41 SJeffery Grr, I think someone fixed how Koha handles URLs, which broke all of our stuff.
16:38 libsysguy heh jcamins and I could probably come up with some good ones
16:38 oleonard Save your logical paradoxes for frying the brains of invading alien robot probes please
16:37 libsysguy we are going to break the bots
16:37 jcamins :)
16:37 wahanui ...but quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is <reply>...
16:37 huginn wahanui: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
16:37 huginn jcamins: I've exhausted my database of quotes
16:37 wahanui @quote get 123
16:37 jcamins @quote 123
16:37 wahanui OK, jcamins.
16:37 jcamins wahanui: @quote 123 is <reply> @quote get 123
16:37 libsysguy yeah I was wondering if wahanui supported nesting
16:36 jcamins Ooh, that's an intriguing idea.
16:36 libsysguy :p
16:36 wahanui ...but it is <reply>...
16:36 libsysguy wahanui: it is @quote random
16:36 jcamins :)
16:36 jcamins it?
16:36 jcamins it is so.
16:35 jcamins it?
16:35 wahanui OK, jcamins.
16:35 jcamins wahanui: it is <reply>
16:35 libsysguy ok ill stop poking the bot now
16:35 wahanui hmmm... wipeout is a song or when you lean too far forward ice skating
16:35 libsysguy wipeout?
16:35 wahanui OK, libsysguy.
16:35 libsysguy wahanui wipeout is a song or when you lean too far forward ice skating
16:34 libsysguy LOL
16:34 wahanui libsysguy: I forgot it
16:34 libsysguy wahanui forget it
16:34 libsysguy soab
16:34 libsysguy heh
16:34 jcamins Heh.
16:34 wahanui hmmm... it is a song
16:34 jcamins it?
16:34 jcamins it?
16:34 jcamins it?
16:34 libsysguy wipeout
16:34 libsysguy aww c'mon wahanui
16:33 libsysguy what is a wipeout
16:33 wahanui okay, libsysguy.
16:33 libsysguy it is also a song
16:33 jcamins libsysguy: isn't a "wipeout" what happens when you're ice skating and lean too far forward? :P
16:32 libsysguy heh
16:32 libsysguy ^^ oh I wonder who wrote that
16:31 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "The New Koha Calendar http://t.co/7oz8vwut #kohails"
16:26 jcamins 1(b) is underway.
16:25 jcamins vfernandes: if they are interested in getting it fixed, sponsorship opportunities for the search rewrite are still available.
16:25 vfernandes i'll let the client know that is a system bug
16:24 vfernandes lol
16:24 kf bye all!
16:24 kf and now Ileave :)
16:24 wahanui it has been said that search rewrite is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/C_&_P_Search_Rewrite_RFC
16:24 kf search rewrite?
16:24 vfernandes :)
16:23 jcamins I'm the one who said so. :D
16:23 jcamins Oh, wait.
16:23 jcamins kf: funny, I heard that too!
16:23 * kf heard this could be fixed by this search rewrite
16:23 jcamins That is, unfortunately, what you have to do.
16:22 vfernandes If I put a space before it works
16:22 jcamins drojf: hehe.
16:21 drojf of
16:21 drojf kf: and you can't search it because if the ":"?
16:21 jcamins There is a bug, somewhere.
16:21 jcamins Put a space in between Diacritica and the colon.
16:21 kf problems with :
16:21 kf I think there is a bug report for that
16:21 vfernandes *I didn't change the sort_string.chr
16:20 vfernandes I didn't search the sort string
16:20 jcamins vfernandes: yes.
16:20 vfernandes there is some problem with ":"
16:20 vfernandes guys I'm having one problem using MARC21 and Koha searches... if I search for "DiacrÃtica: revista do Centro de Estudos HumanÃsticos. Série filosofia e cultura" there is no results, but if I search for "DiacrÃtica revista do Centro de Estudos HumanÃsticos. Série filosofia e cultura" there is 1 result.
16:20 drojf :)
16:19 jcamins And I remembered not to encrypt the tgz using the private key I was trying to transfer. :)
16:19 jcamins Cool, worked perfectly.
16:18 drojf a that's fancy
16:17 drojf it's --trusted-key btw, was a typo. 'gpg -e -r --trusted-key <long key id> somefile'
16:17 jcamins Oh, looks like I can just transfer .gnupg using scp.
16:17 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8831: relabel gstrate with Tax rate <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0c75d667d5a299e72601965459e5ab3c1c67974c> / Bug 8700 - RESERVESLIP fields not being replaced correctly <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a7ef547ec95f664656d9e2fd5dab919a6d00e5ca> / Bug 8820 - Don't show orders table if there are no orders <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=
16:17 drojf i don't have a share folder between my notebook and the vm at the moment and i wanted to avoid sending that file around via some other server
16:16 drojf don't knpow if you can just import your .gpg file
16:15 drojf exported in file from thunderbird/openpgp
16:15 jcamins How did you get the keys into the file?
16:14 drojf don't know if directly encrypting a file to trust the key is still needed, came from a very old posting where i found out what the long id is
16:13 drojf jcamins: i just copied the keys into a file on the vm, then imported with 'gpg --import filename', got long key id with 'gpg --list-keys --with-colons <key_id>' and trusted with 'gpg -e -r --trustedkey <long key id> somefile'
16:13 jenkins_koha Starting build #874 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:11 jcamins I also have to figure out gpg agent on Ubuntu.
16:10 jcamins I have to figure out how to get my package signing key off my VM and onto my server.
16:10 jcamins This reminds me.
16:10 jcamins drojf: very cool.
16:09 drojf w00t. koha gnupg'd my checkin message
15:58 kf darn.
15:58 kf oh no...
15:58 * Oak wanders off
15:56 Oak ah got it
15:55 Oak bad influence on who?
15:55 druthb kf: probably.
15:54 Oak but no need now.
15:54 Oak oh good. i had written that -> kf if you leave early i'll sing you a song on Skype or G+ later.
15:54 kf druthb: I think we are bad influence
15:53 kf Oak: I know - almost ready to go now :)
15:53 jcamins The FAQ says that's not supported by current web servers.
15:52 drojf that would be cool
15:51 jcamins drojf: actually, what I'd really prefer is if Plack passed the error back to nginx, but I suppose that's not doable.
15:49 Oak :)
15:49 jcamins drojf: yes, that seems the way to go.
15:49 jcamins Hehe.
15:49 * druthb thinks that's the first time she's ever seen Oak say "damn."
15:48 drojf nice
15:48 drojf let's just paint nix html error pages ;)
15:47 drojf ah ok
15:47 jcamins drojf: he's using Apache...
15:47 jcamins drojf: okay.
15:47 drojf jcamins: have not heard from dpavlin_ about his config, if it is not obvious from that how he made error pages work i'll ask for that too
15:47 * Oak hides
15:47 Oak or for the damn training and stupid tickets.
15:46 wizzyrea in fact, it will help
15:46 drojf jcamins: i read the log
15:46 Oak i promise.
15:46 Oak you know, an hour for yourself won't be bad for you.
15:46 druthb broken eightball. wahanui got fixed, but that's broken.
15:46 kf she has a training to prepare and a gazillion tickets to deal with
15:45 Oak damn
15:45 kf she can't
15:45 jcamins lol
15:45 huginn druthb: Naturally.
15:45 druthb @eightball will kf ever listen to us and leave work early and relax?
15:45 jcamins drojf: were you around when I learned the reason the error documents don't work is that PSGI applications aren't allowed to use .pl files as error documents.
15:45 Oak kf will you ever listen to us poor souls?
15:44 * druthb put in an easter egg. Or maybe two. For jcamins to find.
15:44 druthb I see it finally got rid of the "or" clauses properly.
15:44 wizzyrea nah, not freaking. If they can get even 1/3 of the stuff on that list they'll be fine.
15:44 drojf kf: when you least expect it…
15:44 wahanui hmmm... jcamins is brilliant
15:44 druthb jcamins?
15:44 wahanui kf should be writing slides
15:44 Oak slides?
15:44 jcamins cait?
15:43 wahanui you are cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss or a holds expert.
15:43 kf kf?
15:43 kf drojf: I am slightly disppointed now :)
15:43 jcamins Awww.
15:43 kf cait?
15:43 kf :)
15:43 wahanui jcamins is brilliant
15:43 druthb jcamins?
15:42 Oak gaetan_B, later
15:42 wahanui you are RM for 3.12, and just about the only one crazy enough to work on major projects in both authorities and search.
15:42 jcamins jcamins?
15:42 jcamins jcamins is RM for 3.12, and just about the only one crazy enough to work on major projects in both authorities and search.
15:42 gaetan_B bye
15:42 Oak jcamins, I try ...
15:42 wahanui jcamins: I forgot jcamins
15:42 jcamins forget jcamins
15:42 wahanui well, jcamins is running for release manager for 3.12 and a his work on authorities is amazing!
15:42 jcamins jcamins?
15:42 jcamins Oak: good luck getting her to listen to you.
15:42 wahanui you are TM for 3.12. Now we know she's crazy.
15:42 druthb wahanui: druthb?
15:42 Oak :)
15:42 druthb hm...
15:41 Oak kf leave early today. have coffee in a cafe somewhere.
15:41 wahanui i guess Oak is Arslan. I am a student doing masters in Library Science (2nd semester). I am a web developer and work in Joomla. or good
15:41 druthb wahanui: Oak?
15:41 * druthb has a brief existential crisis, then moves along to other things.
15:40 druthb whoa...haven't heard *that* name in a while.
15:40 huginn Oak: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 13.7°C (5:35 PM CEST on October 10, 2012). Conditions: Drizzle. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
15:40 Oak @wunder Konstanz
15:40 huginn druthb: Quote #72: "<nengard> it's evil xslt in the staff client" (added by jdavidb at 12:28 PM, April 29, 2010)
15:40 druthb @quote random
15:39 huginn Oak: The operation succeeded.
15:39 Oak @later tell mtompset your poem was cool... :)
15:38 mtompset Have a good day (24 hour period) everyone! :)
15:37 huginn druthb: The operation succeeded.
15:37 druthb @later tell tcohen I agree; we need a translation meeting fairly soon, to discuss the manual translation and plenty of other things. I'd like to get a feel for what sorts of concerns are out there for us to address. I'll figure something out, and announce it soon.
15:37 * Oak thinks she should stay connected to the irc. it gives us peace to see everyone is here. not chatting perhaps. but here.
15:37 huginn mtompset: Quote #134: "<cait> birthday wishes go over crazy bugs :)" (added by gmcharlt at 06:49 PM, May 20, 2011)
15:37 mtompset @quote random
15:36 mtompset kf++ # thanks for the idea.
15:36 mtompset Well, it's crazy late here, and I have to test out kf's idea regarding a problem we're experiencing tomorrow morning.
15:35 libsysguy really she is always behind you…waiting…to migrate your data
15:35 Oak :) heh
15:35 * druthb hides a lot.
15:35 libsysguy you don't want to know Oak :p
15:34 druthb :D
15:34 Oak druthb! where do you disappear?
15:34 mtompset Greetings, druthb: Translation Manager.
15:34 Oak hello oleonard
15:34 druthb o/
15:33 Oak magnuse
15:33 Oak kf
15:32 oleonard Ain't nobody around there got all the qualifications they have on that job listing
15:32 oleonard I'll bet NEKLS is freaking out just as much to be losing you wizzyrea
15:31 Oak hey mtompset :)
15:30 mtompset Greetings, Oak!
15:30 libsysguy Catalyst :p
15:30 mtompset She's going to NZ to work with ... i forget... one of those big koha support providers.
15:29 wizzyrea and am having trouble focusing
15:29 Oak why where are you going wizzyrea ?
15:29 wizzyrea pretty excited - but so much to do
15:29 wizzyrea thanks :)
15:29 mtompset Yes, congratulations on the upcoming move.
15:28 kf I don't - but still happy for you :)
15:28 wizzyrea some might think that's ok :)
15:27 kf so less wizzyrea time for us europeans
15:27 kf and early in the mornings :)
15:27 kf well late in the evening
15:27 mtompset I missed oleonard's reply in my initial pass.
15:27 wizzyrea but you'll get me in the evening!
15:27 kf I will miss you in my afternoons
15:27 kf wizzyrea: I like how your mind works :)
15:26 wizzyrea http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-03-29#i_934559
15:26 wizzyrea to the solr/zebra
15:26 wizzyrea I think you have to go back a little bit
15:26 * wizzyrea has a strange mind
15:26 wizzyrea well "totally logical" might be a stretch.
15:25 mtompset starting from where?
15:24 kf it's totally logical
15:24 kf reread it
15:24 mtompset How did you get from rangi being assaulted by smells that imply the wrong thing to zebra mating with solr, wizzyrea?
15:23 libsysguy not I
15:22 wizzyrea who would make a sausage out of a puffin?
15:22 libsysguy puffin dragons ;)
15:21 libsysguy i thought those were dragons
15:21 drojf ah no it's puffin dogs ;)
15:21 libsysguy only if they are low calorie substitutes to regular dogs
15:21 wizzyrea EXACTLY.
15:21 kf shiny happy zebras holding hands? :)
15:21 drojf jcamins: yes, very cool. have not tried it, but i will
15:20 drojf turkey dogs? i hope that is not what magnuse breeds
15:20 wizzyrea http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-03-29#i_934570
15:20 wizzyrea lol this whole thing is off the hook.
15:20 jcamins drojf: did you see my Plack+Starman+nginx configuration?
15:20 libsysguy just eggs and turkey dogs
15:20 libsysguy no sandwiches today kf
15:20 drojf lol
15:19 wizzyrea "now when that quote comes up randomly I can try to insist I was talking about Zebra"
15:19 wizzyrea even better is what oleonard said just after that
15:19 wizzyrea that statement totally does make sense in context!
15:18 * kf is just checking the stress status
15:18 kf did you have any sandwiches today?
15:18 oleonard Mmmm... Stress sandwich.
15:17 libsysguy no wonder I was having a sandwich…I was probably stress eating
15:17 libsysguy aww I still worked for UTT then
15:17 mtompset bus-fresh. :)
15:16 jcamins It was.
15:16 oleonard Okay yeah now I remember. My comment was perfectly logical in context.
15:16 libsysguy sandwiches =~ sex?
15:16 libsysguy still doesn't see how the sandwich comment relates to oleonards having sex comment
15:15 libsysguy mmm sandwiches
15:15 mtompset http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-03-29#i_934613
15:15 mtompset "...i guess that is irrelevant to the error"
15:14 jcamins The next thing that jumped out was libsysguy saying "and eating a sandwich, but that didn't cause the error" or words to that effect.
15:13 kf meh can't find it
15:13 libsysguy scrolling...
15:13 * jcamins looked in the logs to see the context.
15:13 jcamins libsysguy: so it would seem. That's what you told us.
15:13 * oleonard is more confused now
15:13 libsysguy sandwiches?
15:13 libsysguy ?
15:13 jcamins While oleonard said that, libsysguy was eating a sandwich, apparently.
15:12 wizzyrea :D
15:12 jcamins It did raise eyebrows.
15:12 jcamins I was right.
15:12 jcamins lol
15:11 wizzyrea I like the ones that make you go "omg what were we talking about"
15:11 * kf goes to hunt the logs
15:11 jcamins ...
15:11 * oleonard doesn't!
15:11 mtompset Woah! What was the context on that?
15:10 * wizzyrea remembers that day
15:10 huginn mtompset: Quote #194: "oleonard: Everyone will be all, Wow, that guys smells like he really wishes he could have sex!" (added by wizzyrea at 06:55 PM, March 29, 2012)
15:10 mtompset @quote random
15:10 mtompset Very true. Sadly. :(
15:10 jcamins True enough.
15:10 huginn kf: Quote #170: "<jcamins> A lot of people seem to have no idea what they're running." (added by chris_n at 07:26 PM, December 07, 2011)
15:10 kf @quote random
15:08 mtompset I hope that was postpone a reboot.
15:08 mtompset Oops... I just hit enter...
15:08 mtompset jcamins: Yes, but someone would have to hunt through the logs to find it. Quotes are far more accessible to someone who is bored.
15:06 wizzyrea and it comes up
15:06 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #61: "*wizzyrea doesn't like hoity toity technical talk...<wizzyrea> wait, that's a lie" (added by jdavidb at 05:19 PM, February 24, 2010)
15:06 wizzyrea @quote random
15:06 wizzyrea and will make people laugh when we do
15:06 wizzyrea very funny.
15:06 wizzyrea seriously, one of the better jokes we've had :)
15:06 jcamins Very, awesome, even.
15:06 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #219 added.
15:06 wizzyrea @quote add You can't hit a perl module in the face. You can only hit it in its package!
15:06 jcamins And it's pretty awesome.
15:05 jcamins mtompset: it's still in the logs.
15:05 wizzyrea :D yay thanks
15:05 mtompset Okay... don't put my name.
15:05 wizzyrea if you'd rather
15:05 wizzyrea I don't have to put your name on it
15:05 wizzyrea that's an awesome one though.
15:05 mtompset Please don't add that.
15:05 wizzyrea noo
15:05 huginn wizzyrea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
15:05 wizzyrea @quote add <mtompset> You can't hit a perl module in the face. You can only hit it in its package!
15:04 drojf heh
15:04 mtompset you can only hit it in its package! ;)
15:04 drojf oh yes i can
15:04 mtompset You can't hit a perl module in the face.
15:03 * mtompset laughs.
15:03 * drojf hits crypt::gpg in the face
15:00 wizzyrea later magnuse!
15:00 magnuse and with that i bid you all a fair time-of-the-day - see yas!
14:59 magnuse :-)
14:59 jcamins Hence my lack of objection to the fact that it will still happen.
14:59 jcamins Right.
14:59 magnuse it's an improvement when you are looking for names that start with something else than A-Z
14:59 magnuse yeah, in regards to "no patrons found" it's not an improvement
14:58 jcamins That happens now, too.
14:58 magnuse hehe, yeah some bloat just snuck in there :-)
14:58 magnuse it's an improvement, but it might lead you to "no patrons found"
14:58 jcamins I was just surprised you'd write so much extra code. :P
14:57 jcamins magnuse: I don't think I have any objection to the way you did it.
14:57 magnuse jcamins: counter patch welcome :-)
14:57 jcamins magnuse: ah. Fair enough.
14:57 magnuse jcamins: 'cause my way seemed easier :-)
14:57 wizzyrea ah thanks guys, I needed this this morning :)
14:56 wizzyrea lol NERD FIGHT
14:56 jcamins magnuse: why didn't you generate the browse list from the database, and have the user choose a locale for collation?
14:56 mtompset That was TARDIS.
14:56 mtompset Oh... that wasn't timelord.
14:56 oleonard Yeah but then the Doctor aborbs the energy from her to keep her from dying
14:56 wizzyrea with an e
14:56 wizzyrea after scattering Bad Wolf across the univers
14:56 wizzyrea yea, end of season one, she looks into the vortex and dissolves the daleks?
14:55 mtompset Rose?!
14:55 wizzyrea and Rose too
14:55 wizzyrea well yea, donna
14:55 mtompset No... Donna.
14:55 wizzyrea the child of the TARDIS or something.
14:55 mtompset Donna.
14:54 wizzyrea a human… time lord?
14:54 wizzyrea well, they never really explain river song
14:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2832 normal, P3, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Make alphabet localizable
14:54 magnuse bug 2832 is an easy signoff - just sayin' :-)
14:54 mtompset no one can truly be the doctor... The human hybrids can't contain being a timelord, or something.
14:53 * wizzyrea doesn't *really* live in a fantasy world.
14:53 wizzyrea j/k
14:53 wizzyrea I stole it from him. Seems logical.
14:52 wizzyrea hehe
14:52 kf maybe he gave you your own tardis?
14:52 * wizzyrea is not The Doctor.
14:52 wizzyrea lol.
14:51 kf heh
14:51 oleonard Why companion? :P
14:51 wizzyrea that is an EXCELLENT question.
14:51 kf why companion?
14:51 mtompset Oooo... TARDIS. Which companion are you?
14:48 kf soon! :)
14:47 * wizzyrea goes to find her TARDIS
14:47 oleonard wizzyrea: You should have tried watching the original Battlestar Galactica when you were 7. It holds up much better.
14:47 wizzyrea 27th :)
14:47 wizzyrea she's the visionary :)
14:47 kf should we have a post about the release team voting on kc?
14:46 * kf peeks out
14:46 * kf hides
14:46 oleonard wizzyrea: Cylon /and/ Xena? That's a win.
14:45 kf when is the flight? :)
14:45 kf hi wizzyrea :)
14:45 wizzyrea hey kf
14:45 * kf waves
14:45 wizzyrea i really did.
14:45 wizzyrea I tried to watch the old one
14:45 wizzyrea yes, I am :)
14:45 mtompset Well, you are probably talking about the reboot version in recent years.
14:44 mtompset And why do they only model Cylons as integers?
14:44 wizzyrea i suspect you have not watched much Battlestar Galactica :)
14:43 * mtompset chuckles, "Do you really want to be a number 3? It's not much better than 1 or 2."
14:43 wizzyrea oh oh can I be a number 3?
14:41 * wizzyrea laughs hysterically
14:41 * wizzyrea nods
14:41 wahanui i think wizzyrea is a Cylon, and they all have plans.
14:41 wizzyrea wizzyrea?
14:41 magnuse rename it is - thanks jcamins
14:39 wizzyrea oleonard: that really really made me laugh.
14:39 wizzyrea I want to be a cylon.
14:39 wizzyrea lol.
14:39 jcamins (and this is why I don't have a branch called master)
14:39 jcamins magnuse: cherry-pick, or rename the branch.
14:39 magnuse gah, n00b mistake: did some edits on master - is there a way to bring them over to a new branch?
14:37 oleonard ...really convoluted mystical plans...
14:37 wahanui I LIKE SCIENCE and I GEEK KOHA
14:37 jcamins wizzyrea?
14:37 oleonard wizzyrea is a Cylon, and they all have plans.
14:36 jcamins wizzyrea has a plan?
14:36 wizzyrea boo.
14:36 jcamins oleonard: those bugs that are not ready for merging will get changed back to master.
14:36 wizzyrea I have a plan?
14:36 wizzyrea slow disk prolly.
14:36 oleonard yes
14:36 wizzyrea laptop?
14:36 oleonard thingamabob
14:36 oleonard doohickey
14:35 oleonard wizzyrea: ThinkPad with 3.7GiB RAM and AMD dual-core somethingorother
14:35 jcamins Oh, yes.
14:35 jcamins I have a plan?
14:35 wizzyrea what kind of hardware?
14:34 oleonard long time = 1 hour 20 minutes
14:34 wizzyrea :/ no clue samuel
14:33 samuel hey, i've enabled cas authentification on koha and i've this error "HTTP Status 404 - /cgi-bin/koha/opac-user.pl"
14:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8292 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , clicking ignore on hold cancels transfer
14:32 khall patch for bug 8292 submitted. Should be an easy SO for anyone who wants to test it.
14:32 phasefx hey guys, on Koha 3.08.05.000, with the Inventory Tool, if I check the items.damaged Damaged checkbox (or any item status for that matter) and nothing else and then hit Submit, I get all items back and not just the ones that are damaged. The SQL generated doesn't do any limiting either, but maybe the code intends to post-filter the results. Am I doing something wrong, or did I find a bug?
14:31 samuel hi everybody
14:26 wizzyrea hm, a long time depending on your hardware. :/
14:26 * oleonard wonders how long it should take to import a 4 gig sql dump into mysql
14:25 * wizzyrea wonders if it somehow got closed
14:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7635 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , ignoring hold still marks it in transit
14:24 wizzyrea bug 7635 may be related, may be what you're looking at
14:22 wizzyrea i'm still poking about :)
14:22 wizzyrea no that's lost - sorry
14:21 khall nope thats not it
14:21 khall and there it is
14:21 khall wizzyrea, I'd swear bug 6226 sounds like something I've already submitted a patch for
14:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5826 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Returning a lost item at a library other than it's home does not trigger transit home
14:21 wizzyrea bug 5826 also related
14:20 wizzyrea also probably related
14:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6226 major, P3, ---, koha.sekjal, NEW , Returning a misrouted item twice causes transit to correct receiving library to disappear
14:20 wizzyrea bug 6226
14:20 khall excellent!
14:18 wajasu link_FYI: running link_bibs_to_authorities.pl has a --test mode, but when i run it, if you have "AutoCreateauthorites" on, AddAuthority is called. (in master)
14:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8292 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , clicking ignore on hold cancels transfer
14:18 wizzyrea well you are likely looking at bug 8292, but that's not the one I'm thinking of
14:17 khall thanks!
14:17 wizzyrea let me find it :)
14:17 wizzyrea dual checkins caus items to get stuck at the receiving branch
14:17 khall that is what I'm working on right now, if there is a bug number for it, that would be very helpful.
14:17 wizzyrea I think
14:17 wizzyrea there's a bug for it
14:16 wizzyrea yep, that particular thing has been a problem for a long time
14:16 khall If I then click ignore, it just gets checked in at this incorrect library
14:16 wizzyrea right, I think that's correct
14:16 khall If I have no holds placed for the item, Koha will tell me to send it back to the home library. In the same situation, adding a hold causes Koha to ask the librarian if he or she wants to fill the hold with the item.
14:15 wizzyrea ;)
14:15 wizzyrea I think this is the steve jobs problem - they're holding it wrong.
14:15 wizzyrea am I making sense?
14:15 wizzyrea because it sees that checkin as the "assigning" checkin
14:15 wizzyrea so if a physical transit happens, and koha doesn't know about it, yea, it'll still assign the book to someone else
14:14 wizzyrea which is what proper transit at the home branch does
14:14 wizzyrea how could you possibly expect koha to know what to do with an item if it hasn't been assigned to a patron
14:13 khall no koha transfer that is, but only physical transfer
14:13 wizzyrea when the processing at the home branch is absent - say they sent it but *told koha nothing about their action*
14:13 khall this isn't even a case of incorrect transfer, this is a case of no transfer.
14:13 wizzyrea now you definitely get what you describe
14:13 wizzyrea it should prompt them to transit the book to C for the hold
14:13 wizzyrea when library b checks it in
14:13 wizzyrea so say if you have a patron from library C, book is incorrectly transited to library b
14:12 wizzyrea should fill a hold for a person it was intended for - it should (it does in 3.6 anyway) prompt to transit it on if it's not for a patron in library b
14:12 wizzyrea I think, that yes, an item in that situation, at least here
14:12 khall wizzyrea: that is correct.
14:12 wizzyrea so, human error?
14:11 wizzyrea khall - so basically the item was physically transferred without koha actually transferring it
14:11 khall this is just one of those odd edge cases.
14:10 oleonard But otherwise we don't manually transfer stuff, for instance.
14:10 oleonard Well, usually a transfer is initiated via the hold process...
14:07 khall I think this is intended behavior at this point
14:07 khall if I just check in LibraryA's item at LibraryB without having done a transfer.
14:06 oleonard khall: What do you mean by transferred incorrectly?
13:39 khall general questions, should an item that was transferred incorrectly be allowed to fill a hold? At the moment, that appears to be what Koha is doing. On top of that, clicking ignore does not prompt to transfer the item back ( as it would if the item couldn't fill any holds )
13:37 * wajasu migrating my 3.0 koha to master, to see whats what
13:28 * magnuse runs in terror
13:25 oleonard But we must not cast our gaze directly upon the eye of jcamins_away lest the eye turn its gaze back upon us
13:24 magnuse oleonard: i suspect jcamins_away has a plan for that
13:20 * oleonard wonders if we will bulk-update "rel_3_12" bugs to "master" when 3.10 is released
12:37 magnuse yay
12:36 jcamins magnuse++
12:36 jcamins Woohoo!
12:35 * magnuse can now easily make the digital signs hideous with http://jquerymobile.com/themeroller/
12:30 jcamins drojf: kf was offended.
12:29 drojf what happened to blind-sided by ignorance? :P
12:29 wahanui rumour has it jcamins is running for release manager for 3.12 and a his work on authorities is amazing
12:29 drojf jcamins?
12:29 jcamins_away lol
12:29 * oleonard arrives to find that jcamins, having succeeded in his bloodless coup, has laid waste to all before him and built a dark tower to his own tyranny.
12:28 drojf ah. would maybe help to have gnupg keys present on the dev machine if i want to use them for email encryption … my brain is very special today
12:22 paul_p kf xchat is perfect, it's thunderbird that need to be improved a little !
12:22 kf yep
12:22 mtompset beetle juice, beetle juice, beetle juice? ;)
12:22 kf was only testing your client :)
12:22 paul_p kf kf kf kf ?
12:22 kf cait?
12:22 kf ;)
12:22 kf paul_p paul_p paul_p ?
12:18 paul_p drojf hehe ;-)
12:18 paul_p dracoling hehe ;-)
12:17 drojf paul_p: YOU WOULD NOT WANT TO MISS THE YELLING!!!
12:17 paul_p kf = the wifi (& maybe some tests I made with thunderbird IRC. I'm back to xchat, there is a major lack in thunderbird = no notification in case of someone yelling you on a channel !!!)
12:15 mtompset As long as you know how to fix it, no problems. :)
12:12 drojf ok tried to send a message. and errored because i broke it :)
12:11 kf paul_p: is it wifi oder the client?
12:11 kf I never read the descriptions :P
12:10 drojf that is of some significance too maybe ;)
12:09 kf it's also the trigger in general
12:09 kf hm yeah
12:09 drojf maybe it does that too, but it does a lot more
12:09 drojf allow patrons to choose which notices they receive and when they receive them. Note that this only applies to certain kinds of notices.
12:09 drojf ok then the description of that syspref does not make any sense
12:08 kf and enhanced messages on means you can send checkout slips, hold messages etc. - it's needed for those
12:07 kf probably make sure you didn'td eactivate everything there
12:07 kf I am not sure what circulation alerts does really
12:07 kf hm
12:03 drojf err i thought without the enhanced messages it would use what i set up at item circulation alerts?
12:02 kf so you have to check the checkboxes for the messages there too
12:01 kf but the standard will not beapplied to existing patrons
12:01 kf and then you can set a standard for the patron category
12:01 kf enhanced messages on
12:01 kf yep
12:01 drojf adding an email for my patron was an idea i just had :D activate messages per patron??
12:00 kf for the patron
12:00 kf but you have t add an email address to the patron account and activate hte messages
12:00 kf drojf: hm I think it shouldn't
11:59 * kf is looking at the meeting logs to see where she messed up
11:59 kf or only the chair can do it
11:59 kf oh rangi forgot my agreed! :)
11:58 drojf ah makes sense. do i have to enable something to send messages? i did not really find a syspref for that (only enhanced messages). i have koha-email-disable set, not sure if that makes a difference for filling the table
11:57 kf easier than overdues
11:57 kf or hold notices
11:57 kf is what I do
11:57 kf checkout
11:56 drojf what is a good way to trigger sending something to message_queue? fake an overdue or something?
11:54 wahanui Cookies are delicious delicacies
11:54 drojf cookies!
11:54 wahanui Cookies are delicious delicacies
11:54 kf cookies!
11:54 kf yeah, to limited
11:53 drojf -1 for pizzanames
11:53 kf and it was slightly cold ;)
11:53 kf ham and pineapple
11:53 kf it was hawaii
11:51 mtompset Perhaps releases should be named after pizza types. That would be much harder than cookies, jcamins_away. ;)
11:50 mtompset What kind was it?
11:50 mtompset How was the pizza?
11:50 kf back :)
11:49 mtompset Or until someone else who loves to document and does it better than you (is that even possible?!) comes along.
11:49 nengard well paul_p did tell me it was mine until I died :)
11:49 nengard oh :)
11:49 mtompset Your role.
11:48 nengard ?
11:48 mtompset nengard: You were ratified. :)
11:39 mtompset quite true!
11:38 magnuse good chance noone will remember to do it if it isn't done the same day :-)
11:38 mtompset magnuse++ # very quick and efficient!
11:14 drojf magnuse++
11:14 magnuse http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_7_November_2012
11:00 drojf only had in mind we told him to wait
11:00 drojf ah yes i just remembered that it was the fb question
11:00 slef drojf: there was an answer in-channel from druthb I think - and I msg'd
10:59 magnuse drojf: might be mibbit dosconnectiong because of lack of activity
10:58 oleonard See you all in a couple hours
10:58 drojf i mean koyauni
10:58 * thd disconnects before the broken ethernet port disconnects him
10:58 drojf oh now he waited all that time and left the minute the meeting was over?
10:57 slef drojf: I thought swimming pool... or maybe that is only outside.
10:57 drojf lately
10:57 drojf i heard it's more like a freezer ately
10:57 wahanui slef: excuse me?
10:57 slef wahanui: shut up
10:56 drojf lol
10:56 wahanui slef: i haven't a clue
10:56 slef wahanui: are you calling kf's office an oven?
10:56 thd good night cjh
10:56 wahanui pizza is, like, in the oven
10:56 magnuse ooh, pizza...
10:56 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
10:56 tcohen @later tell druthb we need to appoint a Translation meeting, as the translation of manual was not addressed in th egeneral meeting
10:56 oleonard slef, if no one is going to show up the agenda might need to be revised to exclude more important business like votes
10:56 * talljoy hunts for fresh coffee....5am....blarg
10:56 BobB Thanks kf, that was awesome.
10:56 cjh lunch, heh.
10:56 kf_lunch :)
10:56 mtompset Great! Now I can go for supper.
10:56 cjh kf: enjoy!
10:56 cjh and bed time, night all :)
10:56 slef * kf is away, chowing down
10:56 drojf that was faster than i expected
10:56 kf ok, pizza time :)
10:55 slef oleonard: what's that about?
10:55 kf :)
10:55 kf phew
10:55 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-10-10-10.01.log.html
10:55 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-10-10-10.01.txt
10:55 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-10-10-10.01.html
10:55 huginn Meeting ended Wed Oct 10 10:52:41 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
10:55 kf #endmeeting
10:55 cjh s/drut/druthb/
10:55 kf ok, I am ending the meeting
10:55 kf #info Let's try to add apologies to the wiki entry so that the agenda can be revised and shortened if necessary
10:55 cjh tcohen: drut has gone to sleep
10:55 talljoy tcohen: druthb left.
10:55 kf oleonard: good suggestion
10:55 oleonard Let's try to add apologies to the wiki entry so that the agenda can be revised and shortened if necessary
10:55 tcohen listen, druthb, can we appoint a translation meeting at least so we sort this manual translation issue?
10:55 mtompset But it is a good date and time regardless...
10:55 kf #agreed november 7th, 02:00 UTC as time for the next meeting
10:54 oleonard +1
10:54 mtompset I'll be flying back to Canada then. I can't make it.
10:54 cjh 3pm here, good time :)
10:54 BobB +1
10:54 kf :)
10:54 kf I will
10:54 kf oh right
10:54 tcohen yes
10:54 cjh +1
10:54 tajoli 0
10:54 mtj +1
10:54 magnuse kf will be in oslo
10:54 talljoy +1
10:54 drojf +1 # most likely not coming
10:54 mtompset tcohen: So translation of the manuals is what that Translation Files was about?
10:54 kf 0
10:54 kf I won't be there probably
10:54 rangi +1
10:53 thd +1
10:53 slef +1 but only because it's 2am :)
10:53 kf #topic next meeting time
10:53 magnuse +1
10:53 drojf vimal: drop by the irc sometimes
10:53 tcohen we needed to talk about the translation of the manual
10:53 kf november 7th, 02:00 UTC - please indicate if that's ok the usual way
10:53 rangi thats 2 weeks out from release
10:53 kf ok
10:53 kf a week enough?
10:53 rangi november 7th
10:53 mtj bye vimal
10:53 rangi id prefer sooner
10:53 kf 14th november?
10:52 cjh vimal: seeya
10:52 kf ok
10:52 vimal Thanl u all
10:52 magnuse vimal++
10:52 mtompset Bye, vimal.
10:52 drojf -8 hours
10:52 rangi pick a date
10:52 * druthb goes back to bed for a little longer.
10:52 rangi its 02:00 UTC
10:52 drojf i think
10:52 drojf it's the early one
10:52 vimal Dear Friends, I m leaving. My office is going to close. Bye all. I will try my best to develop a easy and ready to use Live Koha CD
10:52 mtompset Isn't it +8 hours from this meeting?
10:52 kf can someone help please to find the time for the next meeting?
10:51 slef Brooke added it 20 September - please could people look at the agenda before the meeting and ask about unclear stuff :)
10:51 kf so I am closing
10:51 paul_p__ I'll send a mail to koha-devel about that
10:51 kf ok
10:51 druthb good idea.
10:51 paul_p__ I've added the branching topic, after discussing of it with jcamins_away and I agree it would be better with jcamins_away
10:51 magnuse looks like Broole added the point about Translation Files
10:51 kf druthb: maybe have a translator's meeting sometime?
10:51 bgkriegel perhaps somthing about the tranlation of the manual
10:51 rangi picking a time for next meeting
10:51 tcohen ?
10:51 tcohen bgkriegel
10:51 kf so I suggest we close the meeting and jcamins_away/paul_p can dicsuss schedules later?
10:51 slef Brooke added it
10:51 cjh what..
10:51 cjh I was wondering waht that was about, I guess no one knows..
10:51 mtompset if noone knows, yes skip.
10:51 druthb fredericd and I need to plot to get together soon, but we'll do that outside a meeting.
10:51 tcohen s
10:51 tcohen We should start talking about Translation file
10:50 kf yes
10:50 kf so if noone knows, I would suggest skipping it
10:50 rangi and the next one after that we need jcamins for
10:50 * druthb is curious about that, too.
10:50 kf and I have a nice smelling pizza on my desk - we have to make this fast ;)
10:50 kf I think we can try to do them fast but I am not sure what Translation file is about and hwo added it
10:50 slef :)
10:50 slef let's get a move on!
10:50 kf we are running 45 mins now
10:49 slef hey, that's how I got this nick :-/
10:49 kf I see too more topics on the meeting schedule
10:49 kf ok
10:49 mtompset slef++ # nice typos. :)
10:49 talljoy ha
10:49 * slef goes to buy a new keyboard
10:49 slef not pool!
10:49 slef not poo
10:49 slef group
10:49 slef but no rush - we currently don't have a pool
10:48 mtompset Since there technically are no names, we can only note that kf has offered to do it for one that are timezone friendly for her.
10:48 kf and I meant comfy meeting times.. of course :)
10:48 slef kf: it would be good to have a group willing to do it. We've had "oh it's a meeting - who wants to chair?" before.
10:48 rangi i dont think it does
10:48 kf doesn't have to be formalized really?
10:48 slef In winter, I'd do it when my schedule permits.
10:48 kf and see who is around to be doing it
10:48 kf I woudl say leave the position open
10:47 kf she didn't sign up this time, I am not sure
10:47 slef anyone willing to cover 02:00:00 +0000 ?
10:47 BobB Is Brooke unwilling?
10:47 drojf i'd vote for meetings only at kf-compatible times, but i may biased
10:47 kf yes, especially that one
10:47 mtj comfy timezones only, please
10:47 slef kf: so you need deputies, especially for the 3am ones?
10:47 * oleonard would like to give kf the option to sleep through some meetings
10:46 tcohen kf++
10:46 mveron kf ++
10:46 kf but I am willing to do it in my comfy timezones :)
10:46 mtompset drojf++ # excellent idea
10:46 drojf kf: then stop that
10:46 * druthb suggests that kf rocks that job.
10:46 kf I sleep sometimes :)
10:46 drojf :P
10:46 drojf or we could vote for kf
10:46 rangi yep
10:46 kf I think we could do the meeting chair on volunteer basis for each meeting?
10:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8894 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Software error calling Help on Local use in System preferences
10:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=900 enhancement, P2, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Unimarc Authorities
10:46 * mveron sees 1328 with Status "New" between 2007-10-04 (Bug 900) and today (Bug 8894)
10:45 kf congrats everyone :)
10:45 vimal Sweep maximum bugs
10:45 mveron Thanks!
10:45 kf this was the last vote
10:45 vimal Congrats Bug Wranglers
10:45 kf #agreed all candidates got elected for the role of bug wrangler
10:44 paul_p__ +1
10:44 kf thx magnuse
10:44 magnuse #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/What_does_a_Bug_Wrangler_do
10:44 mtj +1
10:43 rangi +1
10:43 slef +1
10:43 ColinC +1
10:43 tajoli +1
10:43 BobB +1
10:43 mveron +0.75 (do not vote for myself...)
10:43 oleonard +1
10:43 vimal +1
10:43 talljoy +1
10:43 mtompset +!
10:43 drojf +0.75 # for the other three
10:43 davidnind +1
10:43 magnuse +1 # for the others
10:43 kf +1
10:43 thd +1
10:43 tcohen +1
10:43 druthb +1
10:43 kf please vote now :)
10:43 kf #info candidates are Marc Véron / mveron, Chris Hall / cjh, Magnus Enger / magnuse, Mirko Tietgen / drojf
10:42 kf #agreed the bug wranglers will be voted as a team too
10:42 mtompset I'm still voting for you. Don't worry.
10:42 kf ;)
10:42 kf don't play with the karma plz
10:42 mtompset downed my karma. ;)
10:42 drojf mtompset: what did i do?
10:41 rangi global++
10:41 magnuse global++
10:41 davidnind global++
10:41 vimal global++
10:41 ColinC global++
10:41 mtompset global++
10:41 BobB global ++
10:41 thd global++
10:41 mtompset drojf-- :P
10:41 paul_p__ global++
10:41 talljoy global++
10:41 kf global++ (less typing)
10:41 drojf global++
10:41 druthb global++
10:41 kf ok, again this is a group of people, please indicate if group voting is wanted with global++ or global--
10:41 tcohen global++
10:41 vimal I will try my best
10:41 vimal SUre
10:41 mtompset Looking forward to seeing a nice simple install for the end-user. :)
10:41 kf #topic Bug Wranglers
10:40 vimal Thank u
10:40 tcohen congrats
10:40 BobB Congratulations Vimal
10:40 vimal Thank u all
10:40 kf oleonard: only a little :)
10:40 kf #agreed Vimal Kumar Vazhappally / vimal will be Live CD/DVD Manager
10:40 oleonard kf is becoming drunk with power
10:39 cjh +1
10:39 kf +1 #didn't tell you to vote yet! :)
10:39 mtompset +1 # seems to be a demand for it.
10:39 BobB +1
10:39 drojf +1
10:39 magnuse +1
10:39 davidnind +1
10:39 ColinC +1
10:39 vimal +1
10:39 mveron +1
10:39 oleonard +1
10:39 talljoy +1
10:39 druthb +1 #with oodles of thanks.
10:39 kf hi vimal :)
10:39 tcohen +1
10:39 mtompset (Hopefully I got the name right)
10:39 thd +1
10:39 vimal Hi all
10:39 kf #info candidate is Vimal Kumar Vazhappally
10:39 kf #topic Live CD/DVD Manager
10:38 kf next
10:38 kf #agreed Robin Sheat / eythian got elected to be Packaging Manager
10:38 rangi +1
10:38 eythian_ oh hey, I'm logged in here!
10:38 oleonard +1
10:38 mtj +1
10:38 davidnind +1
10:38 vimal +1
10:38 tajoli +1
10:38 talljoy +1
10:38 slef and many thanks
10:38 mtompset +1
10:38 thd +1
10:38 magnuse +1
10:38 drojf +1
10:38 BobB +1
10:38 mtompset or is it eythian_? ;)
10:38 mveron +1
10:38 slef +1
10:38 cjh +1
10:38 kf +1
10:38 ColinC +1
10:37 druthb +1
10:37 tcohen +1
10:37 paul_p__ +1 !
10:37 kf please vote
10:37 kf #info candidate is Robin Sheat / eythian
10:37 wahanui well, druthb is TM for 3.12. Now we know she's crazy.
10:37 druthb wahanui: druthb?
10:37 kf #topic Packaging Manager
10:37 kf ok, moving on
10:37 kf I am chair now :)
10:37 mtompset Because you're the QAM. :P
10:36 kf and rangi++ for doing this
10:36 kf why did noone remind me?
10:36 BobB Huge thank you to Chris!
10:36 cjh heh
10:36 kf #agreed (belated) the QA team got elected too
10:36 kf #agreed Chris Cormack was elected to be RMaint for 3.8 and 3.10
10:36 mtompset Need to drop the "wanting". :)
10:36 druthb mhm.
10:36 talljoy heh
10:35 wahanui druthb is wanting to be the TM for 3.12. Now we know she's crazy.
10:35 cjh whois druthb
10:35 slef kf: oh I thought his middle name was Richard.
10:35 druthb doo eeet, kf
10:35 vimal +1
10:35 thd slef++ orphans are much nicer than the dead
10:35 * kf pondes kicking the guy for using bad words in a meeting
10:35 clrh +1
10:35 slef ahhh the things you can do if you don't have my bad habit of losing votes ;)
10:35 * tcohen laughs
10:35 mtompset +2 to counter rangi's vote. :)
10:35 druthb rofl
10:35 cjh hahhaha
10:35 drojf lol rangi
10:35 * mtompset laughs
10:35 tajoli +1
10:35 mtj +1
10:35 rangi -1 #that guys a dick
10:35 paul_p__ +2 ( +1 for each version)
10:35 kf +1
10:35 BobB +1
10:35 mtompset +1
10:35 magnuse +1
10:35 mtompset wise decision, rangi.
10:35 kf slef: keep the thought for later?
10:35 thd +1
10:35 ColinC +1
10:35 slef +1
10:35 davidnind +1
10:35 drojf +1
10:35 cjh +1
10:35 mveron +1
10:34 talljoy +1
10:34 oleonard +1
10:34 tcohen +1
10:34 druthb +1
10:34 kf #info candidate for both versions is Chris Cormack / rangi
10:34 rangi im not rmmainting 3 stable versions tho
10:34 slef I finally realised that was bugging me about the EOL discussion.
10:34 kf ok, I say (chair) we vote for both versions together
10:34 rangi yep, someone can pick up 3.6 if they want
10:34 slef tcohen: Orphan, not EOL IMO. We can't stop people using it.
10:34 druthb yes.
10:34 kf rangi: you still willing to do both?
10:33 mtompset Once 3.10 comes out, I would assume so.
10:33 kf nah, not only, but rangi for both versions
10:33 cjh heh
10:33 tcohen 3.6 is EOL, right?
10:33 magnuse "only"? :-)
10:33 mtompset :)
10:33 kf ok, we only got rangi here
10:33 druthb paul_p__: remember that line; you'll need it a bunch this next few months. :)
10:33 mtompset global++
10:32 kf #topic Release Maintainers for 3.10 and 3.8
10:32 magnuse yes
10:32 mtompset yes.
10:32 rangi yes
10:32 thd yes
10:32 kf now we move on, yes? :)
10:32 kf yes, it's a good one
10:32 mtompset By the way, I like the proposal for QAA that Elliott Davis wrote. :)
10:32 druthb aye aye, ma'am.
10:32 paul_p__ kf "beloved QAM, that is great and powerfull, I obey and agree your opinion is so great, wise and efficient" (was it enough ? ;-) )
10:32 kf focus :)
10:32 drojf :P
10:32 oleonard +1
10:31 drojf i thought it was about the TM getting paid in cookies
10:31 tcohen chair says you have to type '+1'
10:31 slef +1
10:31 mtompset slef: a +1 means yes to everyone.
10:31 kf slef: the team to be elected
10:31 kf +1
10:31 slef vote for what now?
10:31 BobB +1
10:31 ColinC +1
10:31 kf paul_p__: chair says no ;)
10:31 vimal +1
10:31 davidnind +1
10:30 drojf +1
10:30 mtompset +1
10:30 kf please vote now if you don't have already
10:30 talljoy +1
10:30 magnuse +1
10:30 mtj +1
10:30 paul_p__ kf should we vote to decide if global++ was THE vote or a vote to decide how to vote ? :D :D :D
10:30 druthb +1
10:30 kf #agreed we agreed to vote for them as a team
10:30 cjh +1
10:30 rangi +1
10:30 mveron +1
10:30 thd +1
10:30 clrh +1
10:30 tcohen +1
10:30 * druthb suggests that the TM should be paid in cookies.
10:30 kf #info candidates are: Marcel de Rooy, Jonathan Druart / Joubu, Mason James / mtj, Paul Poulain / paul_p and Elliott Davis / libsysguy
10:30 drojf because i got cookies from the kitchen :O
10:29 clrh rangi: really ?
10:29 slef ;)
10:29 slef arrrrrrrrgh meta discussions
10:29 drojf ah yes i got confused
10:29 rangi we have only voted on how we are going to vote ;)
10:29 kf well that was not the vote yet :)
10:29 vimal global++
10:29 drojf global++
10:29 drojf but well
10:29 drojf i would have liked the names to appear before the vote…
10:29 BobB global ++
10:29 tcohen global++
10:29 kf global++
10:29 magnuse global++
10:29 tajoli global++
10:29 talljoy global++
10:29 ColinC global++
10:29 davidnind global++
10:29 mtompset global++
10:29 mtj global++
10:29 clrh global++
10:29 mveron +
10:29 cjh global++
10:29 rangi global++
10:29 druthb global++
10:29 kf tcohen: I will take care of that with an #info
10:28 kf please vote global-- or global++
10:28 tcohen i'd like the names to appear in the transcripts
10:28 thd global++
10:28 kf ok, any voices against team voting?
10:28 vimal Panel voting is good
10:28 kf paul_p__: I sure don't have plans to leave :)
10:28 mveron in globo
10:28 druthb in_globo++
10:28 vimal team
10:28 vimal Vote for whole tea
10:28 clrh kf whole
10:28 kf the question is, vote 1 by 1 or just for the whole team?
10:27 * paul_p__ keep finger crossed, and hope Katrin wont sufferer the "QAM curse" = Ingrid (2002), left after 2 months, Pierrick (2005) left after 4, Ian (2011), left after a few months ...
10:27 kf nope
10:27 BobB ... but no fixed number of team members
10:27 mveron vote
10:27 mveron Can we vore "in globo"?
10:27 kf we have more than 1 candidate here
10:27 kf #topic Quality Assurance (QA) Team
10:27 rangi yup
10:27 kf I better move on maybe?
10:26 druthb now for her squad of helpful minions?
10:26 kf um, ok, because I don't know what to say
10:26 druthb yup yup yup.
10:26 mveron Great
10:26 * magnuse too
10:26 * mtompset nods.
10:26 BobB that's a real win for the project!
10:26 kf thank you all
10:25 rangi #agreed Katrin Fischer elected to QAM for 3.12
10:25 paul_p__ +1
10:25 * mtompset agrees with druthb. :)
10:25 oleonard +1
10:25 * druthb wants to vote +1 twice, just in case.
10:25 kf 0
10:25 mtj +1
10:24 tajoli +1
10:24 druthb +1
10:24 davidnind +1
10:24 cjh +1
10:24 BobB +1
10:24 rangi +1
10:24 ColinC +1
10:24 tcohen +1
10:24 thd +1
10:24 mveron +1
10:24 magnuse +1
10:24 drojf +1
10:24 vimal +1
10:24 talljoy +1
10:24 mtompset +1
10:24 rangi #info candidate is Katrin Fischer / kf
10:24 kf #topic Quality Assurance (QA) Manager for 3.12
10:24 kf ok
10:24 kf #agreed Nicole Engard will be Database Documentation Manager for 3.12
10:23 oleonard +1
10:23 tcohen +1
10:23 mtj +1
10:23 vimal +1
10:23 druthb +1
10:23 mtompset +1
10:23 magnuse +1
10:22 cjh +1
10:22 davidnind +1
10:22 ColinC +1
10:22 rangi +1
10:22 BobB +1
10:22 tajoli +1
10:22 drojf +1
10:22 paul_p__ +1
10:22 thd +1
10:22 mveron +1
10:22 kf +1
10:22 kf please vote now
10:22 talljoy +1
10:22 kf #info candidate is Nicole Engard / nengard
10:22 kf #topic Database Documentation Manager
10:22 mtompset Okay.
10:22 kf and move on now to database documentation manager
10:22 kf mtj, mtompset: I woudl like to move that after the elections
10:21 druthb koyauni: https://www.facebook.com/kohails
10:21 mtj basically, ill be following what nicole is doing, but just for the install docs...
10:21 BobB Go Mason!
10:21 kf #agreed Mason James / mtj was elected for Installation Documentation Manager for 3.12
10:20 koyauni ok, sorry!
10:20 rangi koyauni: we are in a meeting can you ask again later when the meeting finishes
10:20 kf could you ask a little later?
10:20 kf hi koyauni - we are in an important meeting right now
10:20 koyauni hi, koha, does Koha Community as an official facebook [age
10:20 kf mtj: can you summarize in 2-3 quick sentences or better do that later or on list?
10:20 mtompset +1
10:20 mtompset True enough.
10:20 cjh +1
10:20 slef mtompset: would have been good to ask on wiki or on list earlier. :-/
10:20 kf um hard to spot.
10:19 mtj yes, im here...
10:19 kf hard to miss someone today in all those +1
10:19 tcohen +1
10:19 drojf +1
10:19 thd +1
10:19 davidnind +1
10:19 talljoy +1
10:19 kf +1
10:19 slef kf: yes, and voting
10:19 rangi +1
10:19 ColinC +1
10:19 vimal +1
10:19 kf ah, is he here?
10:19 druthb +1
10:19 mveron +1
10:19 fredericd +1
10:19 paul_p__ +1
10:19 BobB +1
10:19 tajoli +1
10:19 oleonard +1
10:19 magnuse +1
10:19 kf please vote now :)
10:19 mtompset -- could mtj elaborate a bit on vision?
10:19 slef I'm slightly concerned that the new docbook editor might produce docbook code which can't be edited in other tools, but that's on-list and minor.
10:19 kf #info candidate is Mason James / mtj
10:18 kf #topic Installation Documentation Manager
10:18 BobB the original and the best :)
10:18 kf ok, next :)
10:18 kf #agreed Nicole Engard / nengard was elected Documentation Manager for 3.12
10:18 mtompset Given that nengard has done it for ages, there's no question as to her competence. :)
10:18 paul_p__ +1
10:18 fredericd +1
10:17 kf of course, if someoen has urgent questions or doubt he/she can speak up anytime ;)
10:17 tajoli +1
10:17 tcohen +1
10:17 thd +1
10:17 druthb +1
10:17 magnuse +1
10:17 davidnind +1
10:17 slef +1
10:17 * oleonard activates his automatic +1 machine
10:17 mtompset davidnind: you missed the 1. ;)
10:17 mtj +1
10:17 rangi +1
10:17 mtompset +1
10:17 clrh +1
10:17 BobB +1
10:17 cjh +1
10:17 davidnind +
10:17 drojf +1
10:17 mveron +1
10:17 kf +1
10:17 oleonard +1
10:17 vimal +1
10:17 ColinC +1
10:17 talljoy +1
10:17 kf please vote now :)
10:16 kf #info candidate is Nicole Engard
10:16 kf #topic Documentation Manager for 3.12
10:16 vimal :)
10:16 druthb :D
10:16 kf and congratulations druthb :)
10:16 kf moving on
10:16 BobB congratulations Ruth, now you can chase up that Marathi translation :)
10:16 kf #agreed D Ruth Bavousett was elected to be Translation Manager for 3.12
10:15 mtompset Sorry, had to read the proposal. :)
10:15 oleonard +1
10:15 mtompset +1
10:15 mtj +1
10:15 paul_p__ +1 (too bad there's not a non-english native for this role)
10:15 thd +1
10:15 kf +1
10:15 davidnind +1
10:15 druthb 0 #if the community will have me, I will serve.
10:15 mveron +1
10:15 tajoli +1
10:15 cjh +1
10:15 fredericd +1
10:15 ColinC +1
10:15 BobB +1
10:15 rangi +1
10:15 drojf +1
10:15 talljoy +1
10:15 tcohen +1
10:15 magnuse +1
10:15 drojf sorry
10:15 kf please vote now
10:15 drojf paul_p_: he could make a lot of people work on koha :P
10:15 kf #info candidate for translation manager is D Ruth Bavousett / druthb
10:15 rangi focus :)
10:15 tcohen +1
10:14 mtompset Yes, jcamins_away for president. ;)
10:14 paul_p__ drojf well, maybe he would be in trouble to dedicate time for Koha, so better just RM ;-)
10:14 kf #topic Translation Manager for 3.12
10:14 drojf i would have voted for jcamins_away as president of the usa too
10:14 kf #agreed Jared Camins-Esakov / jcamis got elected to be RM for 3.12
10:14 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @libriotech: "#kohails meeting on IRC, with people from Germany, USA, New Zealand, Italy, Switzerland, India, Norway, Argentina, UK, Phillipines, France"
10:14 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @Donum_no: "#kohails meeting on IRC, with people from Germany, USA, New Zealand, Italy, Switzerland, India, Norway, Argentina, UK, Phillipines, France"
10:14 cjh paul_p__: heh
10:14 tcohen hehe
10:14 kf ok, all votes done?
10:14 kf heh
10:13 paul_p__ (jcamins beat the % score of the next US president ;-) )
10:13 slef +1
10:13 fredericd +1
10:13 bgkriegel +1
10:13 davidnind +1
10:13 tajoli jcamins +1
10:13 BobB +1
10:13 vimal +1
10:13 mtompset +1
10:13 clrh +1
10:13 tcohen +1
10:13 ColinC +1
10:13 mveron +1
10:13 cjh +1
10:13 kf +1
10:13 druthb +1
10:13 paul_p__ +1
10:13 drojf +1
10:13 rangi +1
10:13 magnuse +1
10:13 oleonard +1
10:13 kf please vote now
10:13 thd +1 jcamins who would be well to be asleep now
10:13 kf #info Release manager candidates: Jared Camins-Esakov
10:13 fredericd #info Frédéric Demians, Tamil, France
10:12 kf #topic Release Manager 3.12
10:12 druthb doo eet
10:12 vimal Ok
10:12 clrh #info Claire Hernandez, BibLibre, France
10:12 kf that ok for everyone?
10:12 druthb :P
10:12 kf ok, please indicate your vote with +1 0 or -1
10:12 kf right, better he is not here then :)
10:11 rangi doesn't need to be here, unless he wants to suddenly withdraw :)
10:11 paul_p__ and my wifi goes grazy too...
10:11 kf yeah, jcamins_away around?
10:11 rangi easiest just to work from top to bottom down the page
10:11 kf Is there any preference in the sequence of voting?
10:10 kf #topic Vote on Roles for 3.12
10:10 kf let's move on to voting
10:10 kf ok :)
10:10 vimal #info vimal
10:10 vimal #infovimal
10:09 tajoli #info Zeno Tajoli, CILEA, Italy
10:09 kf please use the time to add your names ;)
10:08 kf I will give it one more minute for people to show up
10:08 cjh kf: heh np :)
10:08 BobB # info Bob Birchall, CALYX - sorry I'm late
10:08 kf cjh: sorry for misinformation :)
10:08 slef #info MJ Ray, software.coop, Norfolk, England
10:07 talljoy #info Joy Nelson ByWater
10:07 mtj #info Vimal from India
10:07 cjh #info Chris Hall, Catalyst IT, NZ
10:07 druthb yes, cjh.
10:07 kf #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_10_October_2012
10:07 kf the agenda for today's meeting is at
10:07 cjh so should I have used #info rather than #intro ?
10:07 kf #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.12
10:07 mtompset Psst... vimal, you need to start with #info first.
10:07 drojf like kf for chair? :)
10:07 kf I would also like to encourage people who are not listed on the page yet to add their names to the roles for later election
10:06 paul_p_ #info Paul POULAIN, BibLibre, France
10:06 tcohen #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Córdoba, Argentina
10:06 davidnind #info David Nind, Wellington, NZ
10:06 mtj #info Mason James, NZ
10:06 mtompset #info Mark Tompsett, Canadian in the Philippines. :)
10:06 ColinC #info Colin Campbell PTFS-Europe Ltd, UK
10:06 bgkriegel #info bgkriegel, Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel, Córdoba, Argentina
10:06 magnuse #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway
10:06 vimal Vimal from India
10:06 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries
10:06 mveron #info Marc Véron, marc veron ag (www.veron.ch), Allschwil, Switzerland, member of Koha Support Schweiz
10:06 cjh #intro Chris Hall, Catalyst IT, NZ
10:06 tajoli #intro Zeno Tajoli, CILEA, Italy
10:06 drojf # info Mirko Tietgen, mostly Koha hobbyist, HU Berlin
10:06 kf #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany
10:06 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
10:06 rangi #info Chris Cormack, Catatlyst IT, NZ
10:06 talljoy #intro Joy Nelson, ByWater Solutions
10:06 druthb #info D Ruth Bavousett, ByWater
10:05 wahanui i heard #info was it not important to remember that there should not be 2 Koha conferences in the same financial year. So KohaCon13 would need to be after July 2013
10:05 kf and #info...
10:05 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
10:05 kf #topic Introductions
10:05 kf ah sec
10:05 kf everyone please introduce yourself with #intro followed by your name
10:05 kf Welcome to today's Koha IRC meeting
10:05 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
10:05 huginn Meeting started Wed Oct 10 10:01:54 2012 UTC. The chair is kf. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
10:05 wahanui if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me
10:05 kf #startmeeting
10:04 kf ok, I am ready :)
10:04 mtompset +1 for kf moderating. :)
10:04 drojf cool it's meeting time and my wifi gets crazy again :D
10:03 mtompset kf++
10:03 kf just give me a sec to open the needed windows and close some :)
10:03 tajoli kf+
10:03 cjh I think that is a yes :)
10:03 talljoy kf++
10:03 mveron kf ++
10:03 magnuse kf++
10:03 druthb kf++
10:03 oleonard Thanks kf
10:03 rangi kf++
10:03 kf if it's ok?
10:03 kf I can do it
10:02 druthb Brooke is traveling, yes.
10:02 mtompset I thought Brooke is travelling.
10:02 mtompset By the way, who is the moderator of the meeting?
10:01 mtompset There are a surprising number of "silent warnings" flooding error logs that could be caught.
10:01 mtompset And it would be useful too.
10:01 magnuse mtompset: that could be done!
10:00 mtompset i'm tempted to write a "click every link once" test.
09:59 magnuse yay for automated testing!
09:58 cjh mveron: kf thanks :)
09:58 mtompset "ask for automated testing whenever possible. " --- that sounds like jcamins_away. ;)
09:58 mveron :-)
09:57 kf http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.12
09:57 mveron http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.12
09:57 kf roles for 3.12?
09:57 kf roles?
09:57 kf cjh: you can put your name on the wiki
09:57 kf http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2012-10-10#i_1100065
09:57 tcohen hi mtompset
09:57 mveron cjh: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/3_4_Bug_Wrangler
09:57 mtompset Greetings, tcohen.
09:56 cjh ahh ty, how do I volunteer?
09:55 kf cjh: not a formal page no - magnuse explained a bit earlier today
09:54 mtompset if that is triggered by java script, then perhaps there is a javascript error.
09:54 cjh is there a wiki page somewhere on what 'bug wrangling' entails?
09:54 mtompset Because it seems strange... item appears empty, and expands to be full after.
09:53 mtompset So, kf, you might be on to something.
09:53 mtompset Greetings again, #koha.
09:52 mtompset I'm about to restart firefox... here comes a bump!
09:51 oleonard Observing it changes its state
09:50 mtompset It's alive and dead simultaneously?
09:49 oleonard Firefox's about Firefox is like Schroedinger's cat
09:48 mtompset Greetings, oleonard! :)
09:48 mtompset I just checked the about Firefox, and now it's downloading a new version.
09:48 mtompset I did what he did and it worked for me.
09:47 mtompset You have to be kidding me! I blame Firefox. :P
09:45 mtompset have to look up what he was trying to do.
09:44 mtompset Hmm...
09:44 kf firebug
09:44 mtompset how?
09:44 kf and has it a 952 with some subfields?
09:44 kf check for javascript errors?
09:43 mtompset and both place an order
09:43 mtompset acq framework has fields.
09:41 kf acq framework not having fields?
09:41 kf accreateitem setting?
09:41 mtompset So, I need to figure out what the difference is.
09:41 mtompset because somehow it works on my QA system, but not my live.
09:40 mtompset Not sure...
09:40 kf ?
09:40 kf maybe a js error
09:38 mtompset I was just trying to look at the template file.
09:38 mtompset No, can't change the quantity as far as I know.
09:37 wahanui mtompset is disliking the silent warnings flooding his error logs.
09:37 kf mtompset?
09:33 mtompset Such a dramatic exit. :)
09:31 cjh :)
09:30 mtompset anyways... all will make sense in 30 minutes or so. :)
09:29 mtompset What role is that?
09:28 mtompset VM Manager?
09:28 mtompset eythian is the guy that packages everything up nicely for the koha-common packages.
09:27 vfernandes thanks kf anyway for the help ;)
09:27 mtompset mtj is up for Installation Documentation Manager and a role on the Quality Assurance Team.
09:26 drojf ah i see. thanks kf
09:25 kf drojf: and the cart and lists send attachements I think - at leat the cart does
09:25 mtompset kf is the proposed Quality Assurance Manager for 3.12
09:25 kf so you can use that to mail them
09:25 kf drojf: overdues has an attachement sent to the library when there are no email addresses for the patrons
09:25 mtompset For example, jcamins_away (he'll probably come back just before the meeting) is the proposed release manager for 3.12
09:23 vimal ok
09:23 mtompset You can get to know the other major Koha contributors and solutions to various problems while waiting. :)
09:22 drojf Letters.pm says "# If we have any attachments we should encode then into the body." -- what attachments would koha send?
09:22 vimal I will wait
09:21 kf it's 40 minutes to the meeting :)
09:21 mtompset Early is good.
09:21 vimal I came early !!
09:21 vimal ic
09:21 mtompset Welcome.. The meeting is in another 40 minutes.
09:21 vimal Thank u
09:21 mtompset Greetings, vimal.
09:21 vimal Hi All I am vimal , I am here to discuss about release of Koha Live CD
09:19 kf ah, but if you already checked, then their might be no way currently
09:19 kf the log has to be activated in the system preference
09:19 kf I think you have to check if you can get that from the cataloguing logs
09:19 kf if you want to know if the branch has been changed
09:17 vfernandes that's my problem
09:17 vfernandes the action log saves the operation but through it I can't say if the change was a library change
09:16 kf you will have to dig and test a bit maybe
09:16 mtompset I don't know.
09:16 kf vfernandes: or if the catalogueing logs if turned on wouuld notice the change
09:15 kf vfernandes: I am not sure if items has a timestamp
09:15 kf mtompset: and your quantity is not writeable?
09:14 vfernandes for example the cataloguer changes the holdingbranch or the homebranch the item will appear in the report
09:14 mtompset Has anyone here experienced the item section of for new acquisitions from an external source being empty with no add/clear?
09:12 vfernandes the report needs to list the items which the library was changed
09:11 vfernandes i need your help to build one report if it's possible
09:11 cjh hey vfernandes
09:11 vfernandes hi Koha community :D
09:09 kf I was working with 260 yesterday, guess they are still stuck in my brain
09:08 kf http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd245.html
09:08 kf sorry :)
09:08 drojf heh you confused me
09:08 kf I totally misread, ignore me
09:08 kf oups
09:08 kf I am in the wrong field
09:08 kf oh
09:07 drojf loc says "First statement of responsibility and/or remaining data in the field that has not been subfielded by one of the other subfield codes."
09:07 kf http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd260.html
09:06 kf hm I think it's repeatable - maybe look at the examples in the documentation?
09:06 gaetan_B or just the main responsibility ?
09:05 gaetan_B in marc21, does the statement of responsibility in 245c contain all the responsibilities ?
09:04 drojf i consider mveron the bug wrangler manager i can hide behind if i don't have time :P
09:03 drojf :)
09:03 magnuse drojf: yay!
09:03 kf yep you are
09:03 mveron drojf ++
09:03 kf magnuse++ and drojf++
09:03 drojf guess i'm in then too ;)
09:03 mveron magnuse ++
09:03 cjh awesome :)
09:03 kf yay!
09:02 mveron drojf: I suppose so
09:02 magnuse gah, sign me up then
09:01 drojf are you the only one right now?
09:01 * mveron would feel better in a bug wranglr team...
09:00 kf keep doing
09:00 kf I think if you keep what you are doing now it should be fine
09:00 drojf magnuse: same for me
09:00 cjh kf: hey kf :)
09:00 magnuse but i won't have time to contribute much...
08:59 magnuse gah
08:59 kf hi cjh :)
08:59 cjh heh
08:59 drojf i'll do it if magnuse does it :P
08:59 mveron ... I mean supporting...
08:58 mveron kf: Of course :-)
08:58 kf mveron: I have been trying to persuade magnuse too.... but he is being stubborn :)
08:58 * magnuse too
08:58 kf drojf: see, mveron supports me :)
08:57 * mveron would like to see drojf as co-bugwrangler :-)
08:57 mveron hi drojf
08:56 drojf hi mveron
08:56 drojf mib_y3tnsg: the upgrade schema and upgrade to 3.4 stuff should take care of that
08:56 mveron Hi cjh
08:56 cjh Hi mveron
08:55 drojf monirul: a complete data migration from one system to another is nothing that people here will be able to walk you through here on irc. all help here is done by volunteers donating there time for free. you may consider asking on the mailing list of someone has experience with migrating from the system you are using or ask one of the support companies to do it for you (as a paid service). if you choose to do it yourself it might be a lot of work. it is d
08:54 mveron Hi #koha
08:54 monirul but it is not possible to find out the linkages between the tables
08:53 monirul libsys uses oracle
08:52 mib_y3tnsg <drojf> do you know if is there any problem with incompatibilty in database?
08:52 monirul second thing is how can i delete all catalogue record
08:50 monirul can you assist me to migrate data from libsys to koha
08:50 monirul great
08:50 kf brb
08:50 kf ah nice, I am from germany
08:49 monirul from Kolkata India
08:49 kf I don't know the system - where are you from?
08:49 kf hi monirul
08:49 monirul Our library is now using libsys(LsPremia)
08:48 monirul I have installed koha 3.8 in debian squeeze
08:48 wahanui hey, monirul
08:48 monirul hello
08:40 gaetan_B and the td also have classes, so i'll give it a shot
08:40 gaetan_B it's a span with class"shelvingloc"
08:40 kf good morning paul_p
08:40 kf :)
08:39 gaetan_B actually there are classes already :)
08:39 kf because we have more than one location in an item table, but the same :)
08:39 kf well classes
08:39 kf and if it does not work well, add id's
08:39 kf I think you could
08:39 gaetan_B maybe i could do some javascript to move it around
08:39 kf gaetan_B: yeah :(
08:37 gaetan_B hrmmf i'm not really satisfied with this, but i don't see myself asking for one more syspref just to cover this...
08:37 drojf mib_y3tnsg: what i would try: do an installation of koha-common (3.8.5) like described on the wiki. create an instance (koha create <instancename>), open the staff client and run the web installer. when that is finished, try to import your sql dump into that new instance. the instance and the database user will be named koha_<instancename>, so if you did "koha-create koha", it is called koha_koha. so you would do "mysql -u koha_koha -p koha_koha < myda
08:35 kf yeah, I think it's one of those 123 cases
08:33 gaetan_B i see, it depends on the usage indeed
08:33 kf it might be different for floating collections - but I think most of the time it will get sent back
08:32 gaetan_B and the holdingbranch might/would have locations on it's own
08:32 kf what I thin is that a library getting the book from another library is not going to change the location to their own - because it will be sent back once the hold has been filled
08:32 gaetan_B to the user
08:32 gaetan_B my idea is that if the item is not located in it's homebranch, then the homebranch location doesn't make sense
08:31 kf does it display both now? :(
08:31 kf I would think homebranch is the right one
08:31 kf we can not be sure the location exists at the holdingbranch
08:31 kf hm
08:30 gaetan_B kf: tell me what you think... in tables presenting items, the location is usually displayed under the homebranch. I tend to think it would make more sense to have it under the holdingbranch. Or do you see a reason why it wouldn't ?
08:25 kf reminder - good idea :)
08:21 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ranginui: "just under 2 hours to #kohails irc meeting, deciding roles for 3.12 release"
08:21 mib_y3tnsg the upgrade would be in steps? for example, from 3.0 to 3.2 and then 3.2 to 3.4 and then 3.4 to 3.6 and finally 3.6 to 3.8 or can I upgrade from 3.0 to 3.8 at once?
08:14 mtompset Librarian colleague having issues... got to go deal with them.
08:13 * mtompset points at rangi, "Expert!"
08:13 mtompset oh, okay.
08:13 rangi as well as
08:13 rangi no, not named differently
08:13 rangi and then rebuilds zebra
08:13 rangi the packages just have that one as well, which does the remove items
08:13 mtompset Yes, but named differently. :)
08:12 rangi the script is the same
08:12 mtompset Had to look it up.
08:12 mtompset koha-upgrade-to-3.4
08:11 drojf oh. it is?
08:11 mtompset if he does a packages install the script is named differently.
08:11 drojf that script
08:11 drojf (09:46:55) drojf: mib_y3tnsg: importing into 3.8.5 should be working. you need to run remove_items_from_biblioitems.pl afterwards and i think
08:11 mib_y3tnsg ok
08:11 mtompset at some point in time a screen saying something about upgrading from 3.2 to 3.4 run a script.
08:10 mtompset once you do the "sudo apt-get install koha-common"
08:10 mib_y3tnsg <mtompset> the script that you said before, that i have to run it while installing, is it appear during installing the new version or simultaneously run it with installation. The script you said, where can i find it?
08:09 mtompset After doing the koha-create command, you'll need to copy the data from the old DB into the new one.
08:09 mtompset Thanks for pointing that out, drojf.
08:08 mtompset Right... because the DB isn't going to be called koha_<instance name>
08:06 drojf you're missing the point where the old data gets magically inserted into that installation.
08:06 mib_y3tnsg <mtompset> ok, thanks
08:06 mtompset That's my suggestion.
08:04 mtompset and then run the script it tells you while installing.
08:04 mtompset Install the packages according to these instructions (since you probably used an ancient LiveCD)
08:04 mtompset Koha is pretty smart about not blowing away data.
08:03 wahanui rumour has it packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
08:03 mtompset packages?
08:02 mib_y3tnsg so,is there a correct guide to follow in update koha and also keep the database as it is after the update?
08:01 rangi nope cos the x509 stuff deals with env vars
08:00 mtompset So, then, rangi... how does an upgrade work? Did you have to modify Auth.pm?
07:57 rangi no
07:57 mtompset No, mib_y3tnsg.
07:56 mib_y3tnsg http://kohageek.pbworks.com/w/page/31795398/upgrade This guide, is it correct to follow?
07:55 rangi that koha can use to see if a user is authenticated
07:55 rangi and it sets env vars
07:55 rangi yep
07:55 mtompset But Koha is a service provider... the mod_mellon interacts with the IdP for the apache requests?
07:53 rangi has a deb
07:53 rangi https://code.google.com/p/modmellon/
07:53 mtompset (since you are using Debian)
07:53 mtompset mib_y3tnsg: I'd following those instructions.
07:52 wahanui somebody said packages was at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
07:52 mtompset packages?
07:52 wahanui debian is what most people use and there are good manuals and even packages for that
07:52 mtompset debian?
07:52 mtompset I have to figure out how to do SAML for us. :)
07:52 mib_y3tnsg <mtompset>: Can you post a link of it?
07:52 rangi why?
07:51 rangi i think 3 different ones
07:51 drojf mib_y3tnsg: importing into 3.8.5 should be working. you need to run remove_items_from_biblioitems.pl afterwards and i think
07:51 mtompset So the SAML integration was a custome one off?
07:50 rangi and have standards that people actually adhere too
07:50 rangi both of those are far more general
07:49 mtompset Neither is LDAP or CAS. ;)
07:49 rangi its different depending on your saml implementation
07:49 rangi because its not a general thingy
07:49 rangi mtompset: no
07:49 mtompset Is there a patch for Koha to do this?
07:48 rangi saml sets a cookie, you have to check that, its similar to the X509 stuff
07:48 drojf mtompset mib_y3tnsg exporting all marc does not really help with settings, user data etc
07:48 mib_y3tnsg I haven't install yet 3.8.5, I just want first to learn if there is any problem with mysql
07:47 mtompset How do I authenticate/log in with it?
07:47 mtompset (which I think I do)
07:47 mtompset Let's say I have saml set up.
07:47 rangi saml is a pita
07:47 mtj mib_y3tnsg, short answer… yes :)
07:46 rangi yep you have to have a saml server set up
07:46 mib_y3tnsg I have debian
07:46 mtompset I would rather recommend exporting all the MARC from the old version, and reimporting it. It's less technical.
07:45 mtompset mib_y3tnsg: There's a script to run, can't recall the name of it... How did you install 3.8.5? What OS are you using?
07:44 mib_y3tnsg do you know if the koha can be updated without problems from version 3.04 to 3.8.5 stable, backing up first mysql and then restore it in the 3.8.5 stable version without problems?
07:43 mtompset I just read "User management: Koha manages your users, including integration with systems like LDAP, Radius, Active Directory and SAML, to allow single sign-on." (http://onl.org.nz/koha-features) ... does anyone know about this SAML stuff?
07:42 drojf berlin--
07:41 drojf hmm. berlin wants to have "free" wifi in the city. done by private companies. paid by either ads or user data ("like facebook"). great :( not that there is freifunk which is a free grassroots movement, but THEY (and every other citizen) get prevented from sharing wifi by judges making them accountable for everything that happens over an unencrypted network. of course we can deregulate that for companies to make money
07:40 rangi thanks
07:40 gaetan_B (i hadn't looked higher before...)
07:39 gaetan_B oh yes i saw the above message, that's what it's aying yes, i guess they should be redirected, if we don't have a way to reach this peron before may 2013 :d
07:39 rangi google translate tells me it says they will be away until may 2013, just wanted to check that was really what it said
07:38 mib_y3tnsg hello to everyone
07:38 rangi ;)
07:38 rangi it seems to only be sent to ppl who email the main koha list
07:38 kf gaetan_B: you will get plenty when you happen to answer an email there :)
07:38 gaetan_B i haven't seen a french email coming on the lists...
07:38 rangi scrollback i pasted some french in the channel
07:37 gaetan_B rangi: yes, i do what is it ?
07:35 rangi right nomail it is
07:35 rangi according to google
07:35 rangi yep, it is trainig until may 2013
07:35 kf google translate?:)
07:35 rangi hehe
07:34 rangi hmmm, gaetan_B you speak french right
07:34 kf hm?
07:34 rangi darn
07:34 rangi cool
07:34 * magnuse was mostly generating some numbers for http://div.libriotech.no/kohachange/ - a little something that tracks the changes since last time it was run, just for fun
07:34 reiveune bye
07:34 reiveune i need to go
07:33 drojf that will be a lot of emails
07:33 * rangi will switch them to nomail if that is true
07:33 rangi someone doing trainign until may 2013 ?
07:33 rangi cefedem@cefedem-rhonealpes.org
07:33 rangi Merci de bien vouloir adresser votre demande à l'adresse suivante :
07:33 rangi reiveune: Je suis actuellement en formation jusqu'en mai 2013.
07:32 drojf ah yes there was another one
07:32 kf hm I got one from the postmaster and 3 fromthe person
07:32 drojf so there is more coming ;)
07:32 rangi yeah
07:32 drojf i got 3
07:32 kf I got 4
07:32 reiveune koha devel, yes
07:31 drojf yes, answering every mail
07:31 * kf got lots of mails in french - someone on vacation maybe?
07:31 reiveune rangi: mmmh , good question
07:31 rangi reiveune: are you on the main koha list?
07:30 rangi hmmm
07:30 * mtompset grins, "I like the way you think, kf."
07:30 kf so why not have a nice and shiny label? ;)
07:29 kf you will end up doing it anyway
07:29 drojf kf: should really be doing more uni, less playing with koha, so i'd prefer to not label myself bug wrangler. will have a look at the bugtracker anyway ;)
07:27 rangi magnuse++
07:25 kf .... and he is bug wrangling again... that norwegian developer...
07:21 kf drojf: bug wrangler? :)
07:21 kf hi drojf
07:20 drojf hi kf
07:20 rangi mtj: you about?
07:20 rangi now when tests fail that will automatically git bisect to find the commit
07:19 rangi http://stats.workbuffer.org/gitbuilder/
07:19 kf hi rangi :)
07:17 rangi hi gaetan_B and kf
07:15 wahanui niihau, gaetan_B
07:15 gaetan_B hello
07:14 kf hi #koha
07:03 reiveune :)
07:03 magnuse kia ora rangi
07:03 drojf hi rangi
07:02 rangi hi drojf, reiveune, magnuse
06:58 drojf good day #koha
06:58 reiveune hello
06:58 drojf jcamins_away: also, as you may have figuered out by now, i wasn't awake ;)
06:57 drojf jcamins++ # nifty plack stuff
06:52 mtompset I hope is internet connectivity is good enough.
06:52 cait have to run bbl
06:52 mtompset Well, Vimal was here earlier. I know he hopes to attend the meeting today.
06:50 magnuse definitely
06:50 cait mtompset: it's les formal than some other roles I would say
06:50 magnuse mveron++ for volunteering as wrangler
06:49 magnuse encourage people to take part in global bug squashing days
06:49 magnuse or at least that's my take on it
06:48 magnuse do the occasional cleaning, marking bugs resolved
06:48 magnuse encourage people to sign off etc
06:48 magnuse look out for duplicates
06:48 magnuse but it's basically keeping an eye on bugzilla
06:48 magnuse well, there isn't really one
06:47 mtompset What's the job description?
06:47 mtompset bug wranglers?
06:45 * magnuse ducks
06:45 * cait eyes magnuse again
06:45 cait we should recruit some more bug wranglers
06:45 cait getting nervous!
06:45 cait yep
06:43 magnuse meeting in ~ 3 hours and 20 minutes, right?
06:43 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 10.9°C (8:40 AM CEST on October 10, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
06:43 cait @wunder Konstanz
06:22 alex_a guten morgen cait :)
06:17 cait guten morgen alex_a :)
06:12 alex_a bonjour
06:08 magnuse yay for 191 developers!
05:59 magnuse yup
05:56 cait picky!
05:54 magnuse sure!
05:53 cait magnuse: you ate frog, now you refuse the worms? ;)
05:51 magnuse i'll not insist on getting any of the worms, though
05:51 magnuse yup
05:51 cait another early bird :)
05:51 cait mrning magnuse :)
05:50 magnuse jcamins++ for documenting his plack/starman/nginx findings on the wiki
05:49 * magnuse waves
05:46 cait ah
05:46 BobB Ok, so its still two hours difference. Cool.
05:46 rangi 11pm for us
05:45 rangi yep
05:45 BobB Or one? which way is the world spinning?
05:45 BobB Its been two hours, but is it three now?
05:45 BobB rangi are you on daylight saving there?
05:44 BobB We have to go and visit a young lady in hospital, but hope to be back on time.
05:44 cait how much time difference is it between australia and nz?
05:44 cait ah right :)
05:44 rangi earlier than here :)
05:44 BobB No, we hope to be there.
05:43 cait BobB: we got the meeting today - but I guess it's too late for Australia?
05:42 BobB Very cool. Thank you.
05:41 huginn rangi: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
05:41 rangi @quote get 123
05:41 cait suggesting some workarounds
05:41 rangi yep
05:41 BobB We don't do locally maintained mods. Cait's idea of two tabs is a winner, in my mind.
05:41 rangi so would have to search both
05:41 rangi (koha couldnt know if something was a barcode or title)
05:40 BobB Thank you both, that's been incredibly useful. Glad I asked.
05:40 rangi so would have to be a locally maintained mod
05:40 rangi so would be unlikely to ever be accepted as a feature
05:40 rangi and would slow circulation down
05:40 cait I think I would just open 2 tabs if she wants to do that - one for circ and one for the search and then search my tittles and copy the barcodes over
05:40 rangi yep
05:39 BobB So I could argue to her that it is not usual practice, and has a number of risks
05:39 cait which would the system choose?
05:39 BobB wow!
05:39 rangi yep, what circ rules to apply
05:39 cait what if they have different itemtypes?
05:39 BobB yes rangi, I see that too.
05:38 BobB Yes cait, if a bib had two items, you could check one out and send the other to the patron, very easily I would think.
05:38 rangi (not even thinking about mulitple copies of the same thing, but often 2 distinct books have the same title)
05:38 cait there are lots of books with similar or the same title even but different content, I think it would be difficult to get the right one
05:37 rangi and as we all know title is not unique
05:37 rangi we would have to slow circ down by checking the marc
05:37 cait or put a hold on it with the search for hold feature from the patron account?
05:37 cait why not search for the right item and place it in the cart? then print a list?
05:37 rangi title is not stored at item level
05:37 cait I think by title would be quite dangerous
05:37 rangi would need significant amount of work
05:36 BobB I think the situation is that the patron is on the phone, and the librarian wants to check the book out and mail it to the patron. She may not have the item to hand.
05:35 BobB A librarian has noted that in Circulation, you can check out only by bar code (which is true). She wants to be able to check out by Title. Any comments?
05:34 BobB I have a question ...
05:33 cait and not ready :)
05:33 cait sophie_m: same for me - still at home
05:33 cait hi all :)
05:31 BobB hi rangi, good evening everyone
05:31 rangi evening all
05:31 rangi lucky no webcam then!! :)
05:30 sophie_m today i'm a working from home so computer is on early, but I am not really ready
05:29 sophie_m Hello cait, so do you :-)
05:28 cait morning sophie_m - up early :)
05:12 mtompset I guess he's got a bad internet connection. :(
05:07 mtompset Glad to see you figured out how to get here. :)
05:07 mtompset Greetings, vimal!
04:57 cait soon...
04:57 cait yeah
04:55 mtompset (roughly)
04:55 mtompset 5 hours to till the meeting.
04:55 cait hi mtompset
04:55 mtompset Greetings, cait.
04:55 mtompset I'm just asking. I don't know.
04:54 mtompset Shouldn't you run that script BEFORE the webinstaller?
04:33 * wajasu loaded db, ran webinstaller, ran remove_items_from_biblioitems.pl
04:32 * wajasu migrating 3.0 to master
04:31 wajasu hi
04:15 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
02:43 wahanui OK, eythian.
02:43 eythian wahanui: all movements are targets in the minds of tigers.
01:38 rambutan I might actually have to go see that.
01:35 eythian http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0790724/ <-- and you can end up like the famous Alexander Rhodes, ranking above Tom Cruise.
01:34 rambutan [off] for being pocket change, the pay was good, but the disorganization of the directing and filming was hilarious
01:33 rambutan I was in a couple of Korean movies and Korean TV ads. It was interesting.
01:31 jcamins She's not an actress, generally speaking. She decided to try extraing to see what it was like, and has been really enjoying it.
01:29 rambutan ic
01:29 rambutan extra-ing? actress?
01:28 jcamins (for TV shows, ads, that sort of thing)
01:28 jcamins Nope. Actually she's been extra-ing a lot recently.
01:28 rambutan I have some vague notion that Shari works in a library?
01:27 jcamins Shari got home about ten minutes ago.
01:27 * jcamins will wandering off for dinner and Star Trek in a few minutes.
01:26 rambutan and this is what I do for fun anyway lots of the time
01:26 rambutan actually I just installed viking gps a couple of nights ago--I'm playing with it
01:25 jcamins Shouldn't you be doing something... not involving #koha?
01:25 eythian 000-109 were taken?
01:25 jcamins Ah.
01:25 user110 at home
01:25 jcamins user110: why "user110"?
01:25 user110 ic
01:25 jcamins user110: no, I set up a server for RMing which I'll be using to push to the sun server.
01:24 user110 sun server?
01:24 user110 new dev server?
01:11 jcamins Uploading this is not going to work.
01:11 jcamins 251MB.
01:11 jcamins Ugh.
01:08 jcamins No, right now I'm setting up my new development server.
01:07 eythian :)
01:07 eythian you're testing my koha-shell command!
01:07 * jcamins knew you were waiting with bated breath to hear what he was doing.
01:06 eythian OK
01:06 jcamins I'm going to continue building against squeeze.
01:04 eythian I should change that, and have two running for testing purposes.
01:04 eythian my pbuilder env is, yeah.
01:03 jcamins Though, you said you build packages against wheezy, didn't you?
01:03 jcamins Looks like it's working.
01:01 jcamins Right now I'm trying it without the keyring for debian.k-c.org, since I'm not actually sure I'm configuring the pbuilder environment correctly.
01:00 wajasu note: the sphinx - maintains the "full index" like zebra would, and also keeps a small recent index that is quick and runs sub minute, and queries go against the both indexes, i believe.
00:59 eythian The keyring option passes on to debootstrap I think, if that's helpful.
00:57 jcamins Nice thing about having a fast system with lots of RAM and a good internet connection: it probably doesn't matter if it takes a while.
00:57 wajasu but i am hopeful that ICU is coming along.
00:57 wajasu FYI: another up and coming indexer: sphinx - http://sphinxsearch.com/docs/1.10/ref-indexer.html
00:57 eythian though, you could combine the keys into a single keyring perhaps.
00:56 jcamins I will experiment.
00:56 jcamins Nor do I.
00:56 eythian I don't know
00:55 jcamins eythian: can I specify multiple --keyring options for pbuilder?
00:55 jcamins You're welcome.
00:55 wajasu i really, appreciate all the work you are doing with search, and the free advice. thanks.
00:53 jcamins Around then, yes.
00:53 wajasu when i do the migration, i need to run the remove_biblioitems script right after the webinstaller runs, correct?
00:50 jcamins That would be equivalent to ignoring any user input after the first time they hit space.
00:50 jcamins No.
00:50 wajasu does the authority search popup, show all the possible matches including the "braoder_headings" ones?
00:45 wajasu hopefully fixed.
00:45 wajasu i think i am going to do a test run, and see if whats on master has all the things my librarian is mift about.
00:44 wajasu good answer.
00:44 jcamins It depends how you have the syspref dontmerge set.
00:43 wajasu new question: when an auth record is updated, does koha overwrite certain authority managed fields (names, subject headings), or add repeatable fields to enrich the biblio?
00:39 jcamins Ah.
00:39 wajasu so i don't need a dedup script, since all my auth recs were machine generated.
00:38 wajasu well, thats the script i was looking for :)
00:38 jcamins (after deleting the records)
00:38 jcamins Run link_bibs_to_authorities.
00:38 wajasu or does your linker code do that for me?
00:37 wajasu if i delete the auth records, don't i need to clean up the dangling $9 links?
00:37 jcamins Right.
00:37 wajasu those are all $9RLIN fields, correct?
00:36 jcamins 2.
00:36 wajasu ok. that makes sense. are the authority links in the 1) auth records, pointing to the biblio records OR 2) the biblio records contain links pointing to the auth records?
00:35 jcamins Okay, why don't you just delete all the authority records then?
00:34 wajasu clean out all the autogenerated auth records. and reprocess the bibs, so they regen auth records without dups.
00:33 jcamins However, what is it you're trying to do?
00:33 wajasu so wouldn
00:33 jcamins Also in the marc.
00:33 jcamins Yes.
00:32 wajasu are the $9 links inthe biblio marcxml?
00:32 jcamins If you have a new record, it won't have any links to begin with.
00:32 jcamins No.
00:31 wajasu i think i have a handle on 8823.
00:31 wajasu but it would have to remove all the $9 rlin links, right ?
00:31 jcamins Just create a new record with a new heading.
00:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8823 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , CatalogModuleRelink Creates Multiple Links between Bib and Auth record ($9 RLIN)
00:31 jcamins However, that's unnecessary for testing bug 8823.
00:30 wajasu i'll look it at.
00:30 jcamins I don't remember how low level touch_all_biblios.pl is.
00:30 jcamins I am not sure there is a script for automatically regenerating all records.
00:29 wajasu if i wipe the auth records (all auto generated), and did some sort of touch all biblios (that used your linker, i think i would be in good shape).
00:27 jcamins Meh. They're rarely perfect, just better.
00:26 wajasu you mean one paid for/ subscribed from some outfit?
00:25 jcamins So you can work with a real-world authority file and not just an ideal one.
00:25 jcamins That's why you have the FirstMatch and LastMatch linker modules.
00:25 jcamins Right.
00:24 wajasu to risky?
00:23 jcamins But it's not a candidate for 3.10.
00:23 jcamins There's the bug.
00:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7419 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Add authority deduplication script
00:23 jcamins bug 7419
00:23 jcamins No.
00:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7418 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Add heading flipper script
00:23 jcamins bug 7418
00:23 jcamins Certainly.
00:22 wajasu i think my 3.0 lib has tons of auth dups. maybe generated each time a different biblio is catalogued for the same author. for names, and subj headings, etc.
00:21 jcamins That's not getting fixed in 3.10, though.
00:20 jcamins There's a bug, somewhere.
00:19 wajasu do we need a bug? and a script? for migrations.
00:16 jcamins There is no script.
00:16 jcamins No.
00:16 wajasu for someone moving from 3.0.1 to 3.10, is there a script that needs to run to remove "machine generated" duplicate authority records. (when on e had auto generate and do allow).
00:15 jcamins No, it just doesn't happen on master.
00:14 wajasu so its fixed on master?
00:14 jcamins wajasu: it's 3.8.x only.
00:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8823 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , CatalogModuleRelink Creates Multiple Links between Bib and Auth record ($9 RLIN)
00:14 wajasu jcamins: i am looking to test bug 8823
00:12 jcamins drojf: also, why are you awake?
00:12 jcamins drojf: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Plack#Another_option_using_Starman_and_nginx
00:03 jcamins Nope.
00:03 eythian oh, not helpful.
00:03 jcamins Except that Plack returns a status of 200.
00:02 eythian hmm, annoying. Though you could do it at the apache level.
00:01 jcamins Looks like that'd be required for Plack.
00:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6800 major, P3, ---, jcamins, RESOLVED WONTFIX, Koha authentication should handle proxies better
00:01 jcamins bug 6800