Time Nick Message 00:02 eythian purldoc test 00:02 wahanui No matches for keyphrase 'test' found. 00:02 eythian purldoc splice 00:02 wahanui No matches for keyphrase 'splice' found. 00:02 eythian purldoc Modern::Perl 00:02 wahanui 'Modern::Perl' isn't a good purldoc search string. 00:02 eythian hmm 00:05 eythian purldoc all 00:06 * eythian gives up 03:05 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 03:34 eythian @later tell druthb apparently unicorn can't do XML for the charges report. Text parsing it is. 03:34 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 04:27 bartsimpson hi 04:27 wahanui hola, bartsimpson 04:27 rangi http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2010/10/using-wai-aria-landmark-roles/ 04:37 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @andisugandi: "@kohails mau meramaikan? RT @kuncoro: Tahun 2016, Bandung akan ditetapkan sebagai Kota Buku Internasional. #ikapijabar #workshopbukudigital" 04:52 mtompset You have to love errors which aren't even in the modules/programs listed in error log message. 05:04 jcamins_away mtompset: the two calls are equivalent, except that your proposal would mangle any arguments that are passed in. 05:05 mtompset :: mangles. 05:05 mtompset That's what I tracked down my unexplainable error last night. 05:06 mtompset I'm just about to double check it. 05:06 mtompset Because I changed line 1797 of Circulation.pm 05:07 mtompset To hopefully solve my renewal error log entry. 05:07 rangi :: most certainly does not mangle 05:07 mtompset Then why am I getting an error log entry when I renew? 05:08 mtompset And why did my warns log otherwise? 05:08 rangi no idea but its not caused by that 05:08 eythian well, differences between :: and -> can be confusing if you're not expecing them 05:08 mtompset And frankly, if there is a use statement... why not just leave the blah::blah part off? 05:09 eythian because things aren't always imported into your scope 05:09 rangi mtompset: did you read the bug report? 05:09 eythian in fact, generally it's better they aren't 05:09 rangi the problem is that precisely that it isnt in scope 05:09 rangi by fixing it in one place, ron discovered it needs to be fixed in another too 05:12 mtompset Well, changing :: to -> on line 1797 of Circulation.pm, my error log entry went away. 05:12 rangi it will 05:12 rangi because the first argument is now $self 05:13 mtompset Exactly. 05:13 rangi so you will be trying to do SELECT itemnumber FROM items WHERE items.barcode=SOME PERL OBJECT 05:13 rangi not right 05:13 rangi instead of barcode 05:13 rangi my ($barcode) = @_; 05:13 rangi see 05:14 rangi it will quieten your warn 05:14 rangi because it always has a value 05:14 rangi its just always wrong 05:14 jcamins_away It might be ... WHERE items.barcode='C4::Whatever' 05:15 jcamins_away Depends if it's instantiated. 05:15 jcamins_away But definitely wrong either way. 05:15 rangi true, it wont be an actual object, there is no bless/new 05:15 mtompset Right... it wasn't the same problem as what I was encountering. Okay. My bad. 05:15 rangi but yeah, wont be a barcode ever 05:16 mtompset Keeping scoping and context in mind is a messy thing if you aren't careful! 05:17 rangi yup 05:20 mtompset Have any bug reports covered fixing line 1797 of Circulation.pm? I always have a hard time searching for duplicates. 05:36 cait good morning #koha 05:37 eythian hi cait 05:37 cait hi eythian 05:37 mtompset Greetings, cait. 05:37 mtompset By the way, thanks for the enlightenment, rangi jcamins_away and eythian. 05:45 * magnuse waves 06:01 mtompset Greetings, magnuse. 06:03 magnuse hiya mtompset 06:03 magnuse wassup? 06:03 mtompset Just looking to see if my recent bug discovery exists in 3.8.x and master now. :) 06:04 * magnuse cheers mtompset on 06:04 mtompset I'm not sure if it would even co-relate with debarring users on return. 06:04 mtompset But it is in a routine with a name that sounds like it could. :) 06:05 magnuse your patrons are getting debarred when they return something? 06:05 mtompset not that I know of. 06:05 magnuse ah 06:05 mtompset Sometimes communication isn't flowing as much as I'd like. 06:05 magnuse i misunderstood you then :-) 06:05 mtompset I'm working remotely. :) 06:06 mtompset No, you probably understood me. 06:06 mtompset I just don't know if it is related or not. 06:06 mtompset sub _debar_user_on_return 06:06 mtompset sounds like it could be though. 06:07 mtompset Yes, 1797 in 3.8.x 06:09 mtompset (that's the line number in Circulation.pm) 06:10 mtompset Yes, 1984 in master. 06:11 magnuse danielg++ for the newsletter 06:11 magnuse @seen danielg 06:11 huginn magnuse: danielg was last seen in #koha 1 year, 45 weeks, 3 days, 11 hours, 38 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <danielg> lucky you! i'm in day 11. longest cold i've ever had 06:12 mtompset wow! 06:12 mtompset bug 8834 06:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8834 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Call to C4::Context::preference fails to pass $self in Circulation.pm 06:27 magnuse mtompset: you have of course seen bug 8251? 06:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8251 critical, P1 - high, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , Patrons are systematically debarred at checkin 06:27 mtompset Yes, which is why I mentioned users debarred. 06:27 mtompset The patch will likely mess up mine. ;) 06:27 magnuse ok, just checking ;-) 06:28 mtompset I'll put a comment on 8251, seeing as bug 5335 messed up a tiny patch I did (making it obsolete) 06:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5335 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , More granular VAT 06:39 alex_a bonjour 06:39 wahanui hola, alex_a 06:39 mtompset Actually... based on the comments... I think 8251 already is through on 3.8.x and master, magnuse. 06:40 mtompset so my bug 8834 should be good to go. 06:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8834 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Call to C4::Context::preference fails to pass $self in Circulation.pm 06:41 mtompset bonjour, alex_a 06:42 alex_a bonjour mtompset 06:43 reiveune hello 06:43 wahanui bonjour, reiveune 06:46 mtompset Greetings, reiveune. 06:47 mtompset Anyone have a plakified system set up? 06:47 magnuse huh, i can't save a new circulation and fine rule in 3.8.5? 06:48 marcelr hello #koha 06:48 mtompset Greetings, marcelr 06:48 marcelr hi mtompset 07:03 julian_m hello 07:11 mtompset okay, this is weird. 07:11 mtompset I just blew away all my branches except one. 07:12 mtompset I did a git reset --hard origin/3.8.x 07:12 mtompset then a git pull 07:12 mtompset twice. 07:12 mtompset but when I check out a new branch... it lists a whole bunch of files! 07:12 mtompset (not being tracked) 07:13 * Oak waves 07:14 mtompset Greetings, Oak! 07:14 Oak hello mtompset :) 07:14 Oak magnuse 07:15 mtompset Ah... nevermind... I forgot origin/ DOH! 07:17 magnuse Oak! 07:20 mtompset Nope... even with origin/3.8.x ... *sigh* I don't even know about bug 4248 is about, let alone touching that file. 07:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4248 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, colin.campbell, RESOLVED FIXED, Cities Town Pull Down Missing Zip 07:20 mtompset I mean 4246. 07:20 mtompset bug 4246 07:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4246 enhancement, P4, ---, koha.sekjal, Pushed to Master , Koha support for Itiva Talking Tech phone notification service 07:29 kf good morning #koha 07:29 kf dcook++ 07:32 mtompset I'm just going to ignore all these untracked files on 3.8.x, because I can't see how any of those were caused by me. 07:33 mtompset kf, what did dcook do? 07:33 mtompset Good morning, kf. :) 07:34 kf nice comments in bugzilla 07:34 kf and meh for 8832 07:34 kf bug 5335 is guilty I think 07:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5335 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , More granular VAT 07:37 kf adn good morning mtompset 07:37 kf sorry, still a bit slow this mornign 07:43 mtompset That's okay. We all have slow days. 07:43 mtompset I did make a comment on 8832. ;) 07:43 marcelr @later tell jcamins any patch already on its way for Did you mean: HASH(0x3ee0ef8) ? 07:43 magnuse gah, 93 bugs need signoff, and no time for testing... 07:43 huginn marcelr: The operation succeeded. 07:44 kf marcelr: he fixed it various times 07:44 marcelr ok still comes up in master now 07:44 kf marcelr: yeah, it kinda kept creeping back in mysteriously 07:49 kf marcelr: tried finding it - but jcamins_away will know 07:50 marcelr thx will ask 07:50 kf sorry for being confusing :) 07:51 drojf good morning #koha 07:52 kf morning drojf 07:52 drojf hi kf :) 07:56 marcelr hi drojf 07:56 drojf hey marcelr :) 08:20 mtompset magnuse, 94? ;) 08:22 mtompset That last one... is bug 8826. ;) 08:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8826 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Initialization of hash triggers error log entries. 08:24 magnuse mtompset: better go sign off some other bug then :-) 08:24 mtompset I've never signed off... so I don't know how. :) 08:24 mtompset Ignorance is bliss. :) 08:25 mtompset Not to mention, I have more bugs to get up there. 08:46 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @mikromarc: "The Bibits AS Daily is out! http://t.co/Ys8A4TGL ▸ Top stories today via @kohails" 08:56 mtompset One would never think that a single variable has so much code to follow to make sure you haven't changed the behaviour. 08:57 mveron Hi #Koha 08:59 mtompset Greetings, mveron 09:00 marcelr hallo mveron 09:00 * mveron waves to mtompset and marcelr 09:01 * mtompset grumbles about borrowernumber. 09:03 drojf hi mveron and mtompset 09:04 * mveron waves to drojf 09:06 mtompset Greetings, drojf. 09:06 mtompset Hmmm... can we get a wave started in alphabetic userid order? ;) 09:06 mib_8fx8n5 dear sir i cant get my login page in koha 09:10 drojf um. thanks for letting us know i guess? … kids these days have such a short attention span. 09:10 slef mib_8fx8n5: that's nice, dear. 09:10 drojf slef: high five ;) 09:11 mtompset you guys. 09:11 slef drojf: five alive? 09:11 mtompset At least they weren't here when you said that. 09:12 drojf mtompset: that's the point. why come here, state something like that and leave in a minute? 09:13 mtompset True. That was sort of counter productive. 09:14 slef Looked like 3 minutes to me, to be fair. 09:14 slef But 3 minutes before I opened IRC, so meh 09:16 drojf 1:37 according to the timestamps here 09:25 drojf is it fair to assume that 2 hours would be enough to install koha (packages on debian) with a group of people (including some without any linux experience)? installing debian would not be a part of the experience, a VM would be provided to people that don't have a debian system ready. 09:31 drojf don't tell me you are not spending your weekends installing koha with newbies for fun? :P 09:34 mtompset I'd give 3, depending on how many people. 09:35 drojf mtompset: yes, i was thinking if 2 sounds somewhat reasonable, i would actually take 3 to be on the safe side. 09:36 mtompset 4 if they have data to bring. ;) 09:36 drojf heh migration is out of the scope of that session ;) 09:39 mtompset good idea. ;) 09:39 mtompset what vm software? 09:51 * mveron added PDF with screenshots regarding usage of Age restriction to Bug 7621 (Questions about it on IRC yesterday) 09:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7621 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , Circulation: Match age restriction of title with borrower's age without using categories 09:58 aksahy hi 09:58 wahanui hi, aksahy 09:59 aksahy Can anyone tell me the current numbers of Koha users in india 10:01 magnuse short answer: no 10:11 drojf 1:13 from question to quit. short attention span seems to be contagious 10:12 drojf mtompset: vm would be virtualbox i guess, it's not too complicated and the free (gpl) part would be enough for koha 10:12 mtompset Yes, it does. 10:21 mtompset Yes, it should be. 10:21 mtompset Seems that oleonard noticed the error log entries I was looking into today. bug 8777 10:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8777 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Quiet errors in circulation.pl 10:26 mtompset I'd sign up for the bugs list, but it's so active! 10:28 mtompset Oh, and drojf ... VirtualBox only does bridged adapter well over a wired connection. 10:28 mtompset I purposefully set my VMs with a bridged adapter, a NAT adapter, and a Host-Only adapter. 10:30 drojf mtompset: i had problems with bridged adapter and the wifi in edinburgh so that is something i would have to look into before 10:30 mtompset That is a reason I intentionally do all three. 10:31 mtompset If the bridged adapter isn't working, the NAT should get my internet access. 10:31 mtompset If the bridged adapter isn't working, the Host-Only should let me browse to my VM. 10:34 mtompset I was rather pleased with Debian in that the combination of NAT and Host-Only worked as expect. 10:34 mtompset Under Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, it did not. 10:35 mtompset Ubuntu 12.04, it does. 11:01 mtompset Have a good day (24 hour period), #koha. 11:27 * magnuse waves at nengard 11:32 nengard hiya magnuse!!! 11:32 magnuse yay! 11:51 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @27point7: "could be great to suppress, import/export in csv authorized values lists in #kohails" 11:51 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @27point7: "on ne peut pas supprimer une liste de valeurs autorisées dans l'interface pro de koha? #kohails" 11:59 kf nengard: I agree with you - we have to fix the taxes 12:00 nengard :) 12:00 kf nengard: I think kicking out the new behaviour would be best 12:00 nengard agreed 12:00 nengard why replace free text with a pull down? 12:00 nengard I don't understand 12:00 kf and then if we want that, do a well thought out patch that fixes older installations too 12:00 kf to normalize the values maybe? 12:01 kf could have used an authorized value too 12:01 kf I think the problem you had was that you have to enter it decimal 12:01 kf 0.12 for 12% 12:02 kf and 0.07 for 7 - I guess then the pull down would be correct 12:02 kf but I am worried about where we are using the default value right now with this change 12:07 nengard yeah 12:08 nengard okay, I'm going to update the original patch and say we should revert it 12:08 kf I left a comment for paul 12:08 kf maybe give them a chance to fix? 12:09 nengard too late ? but if they can fix it great 12:09 nengard seems like a lot before the feature freeze to fix 12:14 kf we are already in the feature freeze 12:15 kf but I think fixing the pull down should not be such a big problem 12:15 kf I am not sure in which other places the new behaviour got introduced - maybe worth a investigation 12:17 nengard it's not just a pull down - it's also showing up when it shouldn't show up, but we'll see what the others say 12:17 mtompset What do you mean showing up when it shouldn't? 12:18 kf nengard: I agree, it might have to get reverted 12:19 kf but I would like to get an opinino from the developer - maybe its really something that slipped in from another development by accident 12:19 kf I think I read documentation about that somewhere (the change in the pref) but obviously not on this bug :( 12:19 nengard mtompset the tax rate fields didn't show if you had gist set to 0 for those who don't charge tax 12:19 nengard now it's more fields to scroll through to get an order in 12:19 kf nengard: that is indeed another bad problem :( 12:19 kf oh 12:20 kf maybe not 12:20 kf have you tried to leave it empty? 12:20 kf default 0 is a different meaning than an empty field I think 12:20 mtompset That is true. 12:20 nengard no, it used to be that 0 disabled it - so when people get upgraded they'll have 0 in there 12:20 nengard but i'll try to emptyit 12:20 kf that got chnaged a while ago I think - because you couldn't have 0% as default 12:21 kf yes, but that caused problems if you wanted 0 to be the default, I think I remember a change to empty for disabling it 12:21 mtompset And the one that you want to be the default, put first. ;) 12:21 nengard blank in the pref still has the field there 12:21 mtompset shoot... they used a define($var) check. 12:22 mtompset instead of just $var./ 12:22 mtj nengard, yeah, a dropdown for a percentage field is silly 12:22 nengard right 12:22 mtompset well, it has some merit. 12:22 mtompset Prevent's typos. 12:22 nengard why not let us type whatever we want in there 12:23 kf because you might make typos - I think it depends on coutnry again 12:23 kf here there are only a few valid values you would encounter 12:23 mtompset dropdowns are great for preventing typos. 12:23 mtj mtompset, theres a better way to do prevent typos 12:24 mtompset field validation on the syspref? :) 12:25 mtj no, validation on a text field 12:25 mtompset They could have built the dropdown based on a distinct select of values already entered. 12:25 kf this patch had 4 sign offs 12:25 kf and noone noticed it :( 12:25 mtompset Well, was there a testing plan? 12:25 kf so noone tried to change the tax rate on a vendor page 12:25 mtompset I think it lacked one. 12:25 kf mtompset: it's a big patch, there were notes on the wiki 12:26 kf and a testing plan can almost never be everything you test as a tester 12:26 kf becauset hen you will only test what the developer has thought about 12:26 kf and that's exactly the problem 12:26 kf you have to find what he/she forgot 12:26 kf testing plans are good, but it's not enough 12:28 kf especially for changes like this that are central to a whole module 12:28 mtj actually, i havent looked at the patch, so i withdraw my comments :/ 12:30 kf mtj: actually I think it would be good if someone from nz tested this 12:30 mtj and.. switching from a drowndown to a text field, could be a simple follow-up patch 12:30 kf mtj: I think laws/taxes are different? 12:30 mtompset Actually, having the patch is a good idea... 12:30 mtj … rather than asking for a complete revert of this patch 12:30 mtompset Think about how you might order from different states/provinces. 12:30 kf mtj: I think I wondered once that hlt doesn't seem to have to pay the tax? but I might remember wrong and I am not sure it's a general thing 12:31 mtj lol , drowndown?! :) 12:31 kf and I am probably not making much sense today :) 12:33 mtj kf, acqui is an area of koha i dont have much real-world experience in :/ 12:34 kf mtj: I understand you :( 12:34 kf it's a difficult thing 12:34 mtj … but HLT would have some good NZ-specific opinions on any problems the feature might have 12:35 mtompset Greetings, jcamins. :) 12:35 kf mtj: I think probably easiest is to wait now 12:35 kf mtj: and see what paul and jonathan say to the problem 12:35 kf if it gets reverted all discussion is moot 12:35 * mtompset smirks and begins to hum, "You can't hurry love. No, just have to wait." 12:36 mtj akaict, the dropdown thing is an 'productivity annoyance', and nothing more? 12:36 mtompset kf, but if it gets reverted, perhaps the problem on a forward basis will still need solving. 12:38 mtompset Well, let's say we had it still just 0 or a number.... 12:38 kf yeah, but then we will have lots of time to do something about the specs 12:38 mtompset How would I enter a different value if nothing showed up for the default of 0? 12:38 kf I am all for making this consistent 12:38 kf which at the moement it isn't i think (all the tax formulas used in the different places) 12:39 kf but we have to get it right :( 12:39 kf all things involving money are bad if they go wrong 12:39 kf really bad 12:39 * mtompset nods, "You don't mess up something related to money!" 12:40 kf the problem is, that it's already messed up a bit 12:41 mtompset Actually, wouldn't adding a syspref other than gist for the list be better? 12:41 mtompset Then gist would just be required to be one of the values on the list. 12:42 mtompset And everything would behave as before, because gist is untouched. :) 12:42 mtompset But that would allow for extending the vat form stuffs to be smart about the gist or list. 12:43 mtompset That way the first value of the list doesn't have to be default, because that's an annoying requirement. 12:45 mtompset Greetings, tcohen. 12:45 tcohen hi mtompset 12:45 jcamins tcohen: I pushed my apt repo config. 12:46 jcamins @later tell marcelr Yes, the follow-up on 8209 fixes the HASH(0xwhatever). 12:46 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded. 12:46 tcohen hi jcamins, i'll check it, thanks 12:48 magnuse jcamins: pushed it where? 12:48 jcamins magnuse: release-tools. 12:48 magnuse ah 12:48 jcamins Well, my release-tools repo. https://github.com/jcamins/release-tools 12:49 magnuse jcamins++ 12:50 * magnuse will have a look when time permits 12:56 mtj after talking to kf more, i might have to withdrawn my comments on 5335 12:56 mtj … its tricky than i assumed 13:47 kf jcamins++ 13:47 kf magnuse: I got the vacation :) 13:47 magnuse w00t! 13:49 jcamins Vacation? Lucky you! 14:00 tcohen is debian squeeze multi-arch? 14:00 tcohen does anyone have a fresh amd64 debian squeeze to test something? 14:01 tcohen (wont hurt :-D) 14:04 kf jcamins: 3 weeks :) 14:07 nengard mveron++ 14:07 nengard I now understand the age restriction preference and can document it :) 14:08 mveron :-) 14:08 kf mveron++ :) 14:08 mveron koha ++ 14:10 magnuse mveron++ 14:11 magnuse khall around? have you thought any more about submitting the code for rotating collaections that you mention here? http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7144#c26 14:11 huginn 04Bug 7144: enhancement, P1 - high, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , Floating collection 14:12 magnuse and just for the record: collaections are collections of books and other materials in gaelic 14:12 khall magnuse: it's in Koha, but for some reason it was hidden 14:12 magnuse oh? 14:12 khall look at C4/RotatingCollections.pm 14:13 khall Commit 6b88131f80d9841aa6a0df35a4ad881f041beb22 hides them, with no explanation why. 14:14 nengard mveron I might have a follow up page to make the preference a little bit easier to understand 14:15 kf khall: there were security issues I remember 14:15 mveron nengard: That's fine - as long the feature will be in the next release :-) 14:15 kf khall: the pages were accessible without authentication 14:15 kf and it was only a short time before a big release 14:15 khall is there a bug number or anything? I'd be more than happy to take care of it. 14:15 kf I think it#s probably in the chat logs somewhere why it was done 14:15 nengard mveron the feature is there! Just a string change on my part if that gets a sign off 14:16 kf khall: I think that has been fixed since, there might be more I don't remember - I am sorry 14:16 mveron nengard: Go ahead :-) 14:16 kf maybe look in the chat logs for rotating collections? 14:16 * mveron is called for having coffee... 14:16 wizzyrea oh me I want coffee 14:17 wizzyrea and good morning 14:17 wizzyrea good <time of day> 14:17 mtompset Greetings, wizzyrea. 14:17 mtompset mtj was going to message you or email you. 14:18 * magnuse searches the logs 14:18 wizzyrea he did :) 14:18 wizzyrea all taken care of 14:19 khall bug 6653 14:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6653 critical, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, [security] Rotating collections pages can be accessed without being logged in 14:21 magnuse that seems to have fixed the issue with non-loged in access 14:23 magnuse accessing /cgi-bin/koha/rotating_collections/rotatingCollections.pl seems to work 14:23 khall I think it would good to resurrect the Rotating Collections and give it a test. 14:24 khall there is some code in returns.pl that needs to be uncommented 14:25 khall at the very bottom 14:26 khall maybe that code needs to be moved into AddReturn 14:31 magnuse heh, now might be the worst possible time to ressurect it, since we are past the feature freeze date, and this seems to touch some core functionality... 14:31 magnuse i'll create a bug for it, at least 14:33 khall http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8836 14:34 huginn 04Bug 8836: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Resurrect Rotating Collections 14:34 khall sorry, beat you too it : ) 14:34 magnuse ah, great! 14:34 magnuse less work for me :-) 14:34 khall we can still work on it, we just can't expect it to be pushed for a bit. 14:34 magnuse yup 14:35 libsysguy just like DBIx::Class ;) 14:35 magnuse just imagine how cool 3.12 will be when we get there :-) 14:36 libsysguy there does seem to be a lot of cool stuff on the horizon for 3.12 14:36 libsysguy deployment handler 14:36 khall yes, it's going to be pretty awesome 14:37 khall deployment handler++ 14:37 magnuse um, what's a deployment handler? 14:37 kf I hope we can streamline workfslows a bit more too 14:37 kf less lost kittens 14:37 kf yeah, what's a deployment handler? :) 14:37 khall http://search.cpan.org/~frew/DBIx-Class-DeploymentHandler-0.002202/lib/DBIx/Class/DeploymentHandler.pm 14:38 * magnuse reveals his utter ignorance 14:38 libsysguy magnuse it'll make a sandwich out of updatedatabase.pl 14:38 khall it's a great db versioning system 14:38 magnuse ooh, tasty! 14:38 magnuse ah, yes, i think i had a glance at that a while back 14:38 khall not only can it handle upgrades, but downgrades too. And you can generate files for any database 14:38 magnuse cool! 14:38 magnuse w00t! 14:38 khall mysql, postgres, even sqlite! 14:38 libsysguy all thanks to DBIx::Class 14:39 khall I think I'll try running Koha on sqlite. We'll see how that goes : ) 14:39 * jcamins prefers DBIx::Class::Versioned. 14:39 libsysguy so bug 8798 needs some QA love 14:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8798 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, elliott, Signed Off , Add the use of DBIx::Class 14:39 kf jcamins: I have heard rangi talking about this 14:39 khall DBIx::Class::DeploymentHandler is a much more powerful alternative to this module. Examples of things it can do that this module cannot do include 14:39 khall Downgrades in addition to upgrades 14:39 khall Multiple sql files files per upgrade/downgrade/install 14:39 khall Perl scripts allowed for upgrade/downgrade/install 14:39 khall Just one set of files needed for upgrade, unlike this module where one might need to generate factorial(scalar @versions) 14:40 jcamins kf: yes, we are in agreement. 14:40 libsysguy jcamins isn't that the one that was deprecated in favor of deployment handler 14:40 libsysguy or what khall pasted 14:40 jcamins libsysguy: possibly, but until we support mod_perl, Moose is not acceptable as a core dependency. 14:40 jcamins Support mod_perl *easily*. 14:40 khall jcamins: why is that? 14:40 jcamins CGI or mod_perl is a requirement, and Moose makes CGI a non-starter. 14:41 jcamins khall: several second load times before our code starts running. 14:41 magnuse so DBIx::Class::DeploymentHandler is built on Moose? 14:42 jcamins http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7417#c23 14:42 huginn 04Bug 7417: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Include alternate forms from authorities in bibliographic searches 14:42 jcamins Right. 14:43 libsysguy yeah Moose is required in DBIx::Class::DeploymentHandler::Dad 14:44 libsysguy brb 14:45 * magnuse admits he isn't up to date on everything and wonders how far along the road to persistence (mod_perl, plack etc) we are 14:46 jcamins magnuse: we're getting there on Plack, but Plack requires additional configuration that mod_perl does not. 14:46 khall when did IndependantBranches start preventing one library from issuing items to a patron from a different library? 14:46 jcamins khall: I thought that's what it always did? 14:47 khall apparently not, at least I have a library system that is saying so. 14:47 kf khall: I think reservesfromotherbranches and some additional configuration might be needed 14:47 magnuse jcamins: ah, thanks 14:49 khall kf: is that a system pref? I'm not seeing it 14:53 kf it used to be 14:53 kf reservefromotherbranches? 14:53 kf something similar 14:53 kf worked with indybranches to enable holds 14:53 kf but it might be there is a new feature here now 14:53 kf maybe check the code around the checkin? 14:55 * wizzyrea thinks that the users of independent branches should get together and make it work how they want it 14:55 wizzyrea because no one else uses it that way so it never gets tested properly 14:59 * jcamins thinks they'd never agree. 15:00 khall I agree. It seem like independantbranches needs to be a set of preferences, rather than a single one. 15:01 khall kf: The relevent code is in C4::Members::Search, it basically is just an automatic search filter for the logged in branchcode when IndependantBranches is enabled. 15:01 wizzyrea yea, exactly, it needs to be a section of preferences 15:01 khall if I comment it out, I can issue items to a patron without being able to edit them. 15:02 magnuse @quote 123? 15:02 huginn magnuse: I've exhausted my database of quotes 15:02 jcamins @quote get 123 15:02 huginn jcamins: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 15:02 khall so I dont' see a reason why we couldn't add this as a system preference 15:02 wizzyrea khall: it should be, I think. as long as the default is the current behavior 15:02 wizzyrea behaviour* 15:02 khall I wouldn't have it any other way ; ) 15:04 wizzyrea :) 15:05 khall wizzyrea, would having IndependentBranches defaulting to a full lockdown, with additional prefs to re-enable some features make sense? It would allow us to add new overrides incrementally while not altering its essential behavior. 15:05 khall IndependantBranchesAllowIssuing 15:05 wizzyrea well here's a problem - do we know what it's essential behavior is supposed to be/ 15:06 khall by that, I just mean the way it behaves now. 15:06 khall or I would just copy the value of IndependantBranches into IndependantBranchesAllowIssuing during the DB upgrade 15:06 wizzyrea i'm almost certain there's no consensus as to what the essential behaviour should be lol 15:07 khall I'd call it IndependantBranchesPreventIssuing 15:07 wizzyrea so yes, it makes complete sense to granularize it 15:08 khall ok, I think I have good starting plan now 15:22 slef tcohen: errr, dselect works for me. 15:22 slef tcohen: (koha-devel posting) I think you have updates pending. 15:22 slef tcohen: I think you also had apache2 installed already? 15:23 tcohen slef, none of them 15:23 tcohen my setup might be busted 15:23 slef tcohen: have you tried running "dselect" to see what it's doing? 15:23 tcohen but everything is updated, and apache2 was removed prior 15:24 tcohen what should i do after starting dselect? 15:24 tcohen are you on 12.04 amd64 too? 15:25 slef tcohen: I'm also puzzled by the :i386 bit, because I don't ever get that (amd64) 15:25 slef 10.04 amd64 because that was the closest server handy 15:25 slef after starting dselect, look in Select 15:26 tcohen what do this produce for you?: echo "apache2 install" | dpkg --set-selections ; dselect install 15:28 slef sorry phone 15:31 slef Reading package lists... Done 15:31 slef Building dependency tree 15:31 slef Reading state information... Done 15:31 slef 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed and 0 to remove. 15:32 mtompset ... I know my setup is busted... our hosting provider provides our repos. 15:32 reiveune bye 15:34 slef bbl, got to vote 15:36 slef ah just saw https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/879324 which I think might be what tcohen suffers? 15:39 mtompset Perhaps a disabling of multiarch would solve the problem then? 15:44 tcohen I think that apt bug is correct, and matches my diagnostic of dselect install method for dependencies being broken 15:45 tcohen is debian 6 multi-arch by default? 15:49 mtompset Wheezy is next, right? 15:49 mtompset So, currently not fully? 15:49 mtompset http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch\ 15:50 mtompset Sorry for the extra \. Enter is so close. :( 15:58 nengard anyone remember a bug where a search for author doesn't show the checkboxes in the staff client? 15:58 nengard I thought I reported such a bug but can't find it 16:08 nengard found it bug 8686 16:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8686 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, REOPENED , author search in staff missing checkboxes and menu 16:08 kf crazy day - bye all 16:16 drojf woah, seems like the mailing list is working again ;) 16:23 * mtompset waves bye. 17:28 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Preston Library at the Virginia Military Institute Goes Live on Koha with ByWater… http://t.co/ndlfAFew #kohails" 17:44 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Preston Library at the Virginia Military Institute Goes Live on Koha with ByWater… http://t.co/nxAXVQkH" 17:50 talljoy1 rebooting. 18:05 nengard is there documentation anywhere about the searchengine preference? I assume you need to do more than flip the switch to change search engines - I'm working on the manual for 3.10 and want to make it clear to the average user what needs to be done 18:06 cait nengard: have you seen my example on the bug? 18:06 cait talking about bug 8523 18:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8523 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Authority hierarchies only support UNIMARC 18:06 nengard there is no bug number on the db update ? this is why I wrote that email to the Dev list ? I need bug numbers!! 18:06 cait in $w goes h or g for wider or narrower 18:07 nengard oh! 18:07 nengard cait I saw your screenshot 18:07 cait I don't know about the search engine pref - but you can find the bug number from hte updatedatabase history 18:07 jcamins_away @query solr 18:07 cait look at comment 19 18:07 huginn jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7260 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , User should be able to determine the number of search results per page (OPAC) 18:07 huginn jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7174 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Authentication rewriting 18:07 huginn jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7013 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, adrien.saurat, In Discussion , required format is not enforced for authorized values 18:07 huginn jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8623 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Javascript libraries should be outside theme directories 18:07 huginn jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup 18:07 jcamins_away @query without breakign 18:07 huginn jcamins_away: No results for "without breakign." 18:07 jcamins_away @query without breaking 18:07 nengard cait yes, I see that example, but I kind of need one in English for the English manual 18:07 huginn jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8233 major, P2, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , New search engine layer - introduce solr without breaking anything else 18:07 huginn jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7453 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Borrower without expiry date breaks opac login 18:08 jcamins_away Bug 8233. 18:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8233 major, P2, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , New search engine layer - introduce solr without breaking anything else 18:08 cait nengard: I know :) but just copy it with america - kansas - lawrence or something? 18:08 cait and the $w are important 18:08 jcamins_away nengard: if you link the authorities using the plugin and selecting broader/narrower as appropriate, it will just work. 18:08 cait they indicate if it's a link upwards or downwrads 18:08 jcamins_away Without the $w set, there's no hierarchy. Just related terms. 18:08 cait oh 18:08 nengard jcamins I did use the plugin to select 18:08 cait or use the plugin and the nice pulldown 18:08 nengard and i reindexed 18:09 nengard what nice pull down? 18:09 nengard off to look 18:09 cait if you open the plugin, the last field on the search form 18:09 jcamins_away The one for setting the $w. 18:09 cait at the bottom of the search form and before the result list 18:09 jcamins_away Well, no, it's the authority control plugin, which has a box for setting the $w. 18:10 jcamins_away It doesn't actually say "$w," now that I think about it. It says "relationship type." 18:10 jcamins_away You can also just add 'g' and 'h' to the $ws. 18:10 jcamins_away (directly) 18:10 jcamins_away The "relationship type" dropdown doesn't do anything special, it just saves time. 18:11 jcamins_away (at the beginning... not so much time saving after you've already done the authority control, obviously) 18:12 nengard BINGO 18:12 nengard it was the $w 18:12 nengard I needed it to be g (or h i guess) 18:13 jcamins_away Yup. g is broader, h is narrower. 18:13 nengard what would you consider psuedonyms (spell?) to be 18:13 nengard just out of curiousity 18:13 jcamins_away They're just see also under. 18:13 jcamins_away No need for a $w. 18:13 nengard and so no link 18:13 jcamins_away There's a link, but no hierarchy. 18:13 nengard hency my problem with the example i attached 18:13 nengard right 18:14 nengard that's what i mean 18:14 cait sorry was in the kitchen - spilling little pieces of green herb everywhere :( 18:14 jcamins_away Unless you are using a pseudonym that is not considered to have independent literary warrant, in which case it would be a 4xx, and there wouldn't be a link because it would be a "see from." 18:15 jcamins_away (you don't need to note that in the manual, just clarifying my earlier blanket statement) 18:17 nengard jcamins - did you mean - I set the preferences and then did a reindex and I'm getting 'Did you mean: HASH(0x4508468)' 18:17 jcamins_away nengard: yes, there's a patch on bug 8209. 18:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8209 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , "Did you mean?" suggestions based on authorities 18:17 nengard oh okay 18:17 nengard won't document that yet then 18:17 jcamins_away Good plan. ;) 18:17 nengard also there is no bug number on that db update either ? just fyi 18:17 jcamins_away Yes, we discussed doing this a few days ago. 18:18 jcamins_away It hasn't been part of standard practice to put bug numbers in DB updates. 18:21 nengard it was at one time cause there always were bug numbers, but anyway, that's why so many questions from me lately 18:56 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @jsicot: "@mdelhaye @27point7 enfin pas tout à fait tout seul, on l'a un peu aidé ;-) #kohails #kohacks" 19:37 mveron What is the table 'browser' for? See http://schema.koha-community.org/tables/browser.html 19:45 rangi Morning 19:46 trea kia ora rangi 19:46 bag morning rangi 19:46 bag how's the conference? 19:46 wizzyrea mornin rangi 19:47 cait hi bag 19:47 cait hi rangi 19:47 bag heya cait 19:49 rangi Conference was good 19:53 rangi Koha got a big shout out from Marshall 19:54 cait :) 20:02 drojf good evening #koha 20:04 bag oh nice a shout out from marshall :) 20:05 drojf rangi: what conference? 20:06 rangi Lianza the big nz one 20:09 rangi About 700 people I think 20:09 drojf and talks with "what the hell" in the title, excellent :) 20:10 rangi Yep from a koha library of course 20:10 drojf lol 20:10 rangi Paul is cool 20:11 rangi Ok my stop 20:12 rangi This afternoon Karen schneider is talking with us 20:14 drojf i already like her for the name of her blog, freerangelibrarian :) 20:14 cait mveron: a classification browser for the opac 20:14 cait mveron: the opaccloud feature you suggested to be deleted ;) 20:15 mveron cait: Thanks for the information :-) 20:15 cait I know how I stared at it last time 20:15 cait when I had to documnt the tables for the data privacy documents 20:16 drojf you had to document all tables for data privacy? 20:17 cait for the documents yes, don't aswk 20:17 cait it was a bit traumatic 20:17 drojf omg 20:17 drojf i can imagine that 20:23 mveron Good night #koha :-) 20:24 rangi back 20:34 libsysguy wajasu I thought I'd let you know I have been able to seriously weed whack my calendar code with DBIx::Class 21:10 rangi hey Space_Librarian 21:10 wahanui well, Space_Librarian is a Koha poet or the sweetest lil lady you'll ever know 21:13 Space_Librarian ola rangi 21:13 Space_Librarian ready for the hoards to descend later? 21:13 rangi yep, pretty much 21:14 Space_Librarian we're looking forward to it. 21:15 rangi yay :) 21:15 rangi it will be pretty informal 21:15 Space_Librarian which is why we're looking forward to it. 21:16 Space_Librarian I'm looking forward to the meringue war with ibeardslee 21:17 * rangi kills a spammer 21:17 Space_Librarian die spammer die! 21:21 drojf ah, that spammer 21:28 libsysguy can anybody else verify that DateTime::Format::Duration is only available in SID for Debian 21:28 cait morning kathryn :) 21:29 kathryn Hi cait :) 21:30 * Space_Librarian passes cait chocolate. 21:31 cait hi Space_Librarian - and thx :) 21:36 Space_Librarian np cait :) 21:36 mtj libsysguy -> http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/libdatetime-format-duration-perl 21:38 libsysguy so just for wheezy mtj 21:38 libsysguy i think its unstable on squeeze 21:38 mtj [ wheezy ] [ sid ] 21:38 mtj 21:39 libsysguy AH 22:04 rangi http://schema.koha-community.org/ updated 22:04 libsysguy w00t 22:04 libsysguy rangi++ 22:06 Space_Librarian rangi++ 22:09 cait rangi++ 22:20 bag ah 145 tables seems better :) 22:21 wajasu libsysguy: sweet 22:22 eythian hi 22:23 wajasu rangi++