Time Nick Message 00:00 eythian Waylon_AFK: they'll be around the whole day I'd think 00:03 mtompset @wunder MNL 00:03 huginn mtompset: The current temperature in Manila, Philippines is 27.0°C (7:00 AM PHT on September 24, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 25.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Rising). 01:21 Waylon-android woot, at Lianz exhibitors halk, met Chris 01:22 Waylon-android mibbit not refreshing cant see anyone talking... 01:24 Waylon now can... different browser 03:56 Waylon_AFK back 03:56 Waylon Ah, got asked to leave. about 2... took this long to get back. 03:57 eythian oh, you need to be registered to be in the exhibition area? 03:57 Waylon yes eythian ... i think i need to get a bike sooner than later. 03:57 eythian :) 03:58 Waylon ah... Im thinking yes.. though this was after the signal for the next series of talks. 03:58 Waylon so... it was much easier to spot the non-conferencees. 03:58 eythian yeah, it would be 03:58 Waylon which was .. probably just me... though i did spot a palmerston north library person.. and i don't think they had a delegate card either. 03:59 Waylon she left sorta about hte same time I did. 03:59 Waylon she... drove past me. 04:00 * Waylon knows annoyance, hobbling along using a umbrella as walking stick, when people just drive on by, from same venue.. ah well. 04:01 eythian probably assume that if you're walking it's because you're not going far. 04:03 Waylon heh. guess so. so yea... koha.. with 3 catalyst, but many koha library people, hmm... however, there was two or three booths of siridynix based people. Palmerston north, national library, and siridynix booths. 04:04 Waylon This is funny, the thomsonreuters booth person, he helped his brother install koha for a library. hehe. fantastic. 04:08 Waylon i understand the conference organizers position though. costs delegates $800 nzd (i think chris told me) for all 3 days... so to have someone just walk in and view the exhibition hall... something that isn't done. 04:10 eythian yeah, it's really expensive 04:11 eythian well, the booths are about advertising chances for sponsors, so the more people that see it, the more exposure it gets. So I would have thought they'd be OK with people seeing that part of it. 04:12 Waylon had to get home anyway, the person did me a favor basically... took me ages to get back. Not something id do again with my workload. 04:14 Waylon woot.. got 2 flashdrives from a booth... 128 mb.... Wonder if i could get a bootable koha system on it. 04:14 Waylon Text based bootable koha... 04:14 eythian probably 04:15 Waylon maybe even a mini-Xorg prehaps. 04:15 eythian it'd be tight 04:16 Waylon yeah... im thinking, alot of the koha stuff can be squashfs'ed rather well. 04:16 Waylon being all text ... perl libs etc. 04:19 * Waylon idly wonders if koha would work on a rasberry pi. 04:19 * ibeardslee recalls something mentioned about someone trying that 04:19 Waylon $60 koha appliances for small libraries / demo box. 04:19 ibeardslee http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_a_Raspberry_Pi 04:19 Waylon oh wow cool. 04:22 eythian oh yeah, Mirko was doing that 04:29 Waylon jcamins_away, chris brought up the idea, of linked list of branches. Branches having children/parents. Say, a local branch could be part of a library, which in turn could be part of a bigger library, which in turn could be part of a consortium. of libraries. And each level being searchable across that level. 04:46 eythian the SirsiD HOLDS table has a field call "NO_HOLDS_BARRED" 04:47 cjh heh 04:54 Waylon haha.. brilliant. 04:54 Waylon Them fighting words.. 05:11 Waylon trying to think of an appropiate koha response. 05:13 * eythian starts to make packages 05:16 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @IrmaLibraries: "#kohails Good marketing: Advertise your hosted Koha OPAC @ yourlibrary.your domain name URL not the hosting vendor's domain name." 05:32 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @IrmaLibraries: "#kohails 3.8.5 released http://t.co/eSDVvXLM OPAC & s/interface available in these languages:Chinese(95%)Danish(99%)French(99%)German(100%)" 05:40 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @IrmaLibraries: "#kohails 3.8.5 OPAC & s/interface available in these languages:Greek(94%) Italian(100%) Norwegian(62%) Portuguese/Brazil(99%) Spanish (100%)" 05:57 eythian oh bother. I don't have a copy of my non-expired secret key with which to sign the packages. 05:57 eythian It'll have to wait until I can get it from home. 06:01 eythian curious that enigmail has been happily letting me sign things. 06:01 eythian evolution rather 06:04 cait evening eythian 06:04 eythian hiya 06:04 cait shouldn't you be home? :) 06:04 eythian it's only 6pm :) 06:07 mtompset You aren't home at 6pm? 06:07 eythian not usually, no 06:08 mtompset Sounds like you keep flex hours. ;) 06:08 eythian @later tell rangi beware editing the debian changelogs, the version numbers have to be exact, and it's prone to causing conflicts 06:08 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 06:08 eythian mtompset: yeah, I do. It's handy 06:10 mtompset you aren't set up at home to remotely access the information you need? ;) 06:11 eythian I can, but I'm not a fan of working from home. 06:11 eythian I prefer to keep the spaces separate where I can. 06:11 mtompset No, I mean access your home information from work. 06:12 mtompset I understand wanting to keep spaces separate. 06:12 eythian oh, no. It's not something I really need to be able to do. 06:12 eythian (in most cases) 06:12 eythian so I turn my home computer off when I leave. 06:13 mtompset Hmm... where did I see someone mentioning pending suggestions showing, but clicking it brings up nothing? 06:14 eythian filter by branch 06:15 eythian there's a bug for it somewhere 06:15 Waylon eepp 06:15 Waylon thats kinda one thing i really need. 06:15 Waylon ohhh 06:15 Waylon pending suggestions.. not catalog. 06:15 Waylon nevermind. 06:15 eythian it works, it's just a bit broken 06:16 eythian Bug 7300 <-- exhibit A 06:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7300 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, matthias.meusburger, ASSIGNED , display suggestions from librarian library only by default 06:16 eythian Bug 8274 <-- Exhibit B 06:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8274 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , count of suggestions on main page wrong 06:21 Waylon eythian, what do you think of chris's linked list branches idea? 06:22 eythian I dunno, there is/was a branch groups feature. Can a list give us things that we couldn't get by using this? 06:22 eythian but, I haven't thought about it really 06:24 Waylon well.. branch groups would only give one level of branch grouping? 06:24 Waylon or did it support nested groups? 06:25 eythian I doubt it had nesting 06:25 eythian but what are the use cases for wanting multiple levels 06:26 eythian it sounds nice, but I can't see a use for it. 06:29 Waylon library consortiums 06:29 Waylon all using the same koha server install. 06:29 Waylon a for instance... 06:30 Waylon palmerston north public library now belongs to a consortium, with national library. 06:30 Waylon and othes. 06:30 Waylon palmerston north library has local branches. 06:30 eythian hmm, I see 06:30 eythian possibly a good case, yeah 06:30 Waylon so thats central branch of the palmerston north library, of the national library consortium. 06:30 eythian it'd be hard to do without overcomplicating an already complicated UI 06:31 Waylon ah.. bad example thou.. they using dynix. 06:31 Waylon no holds barred... 06:31 Waylon hmm... really must find a response. 06:34 mtompset Okay, those bug reports are a little helpful. 06:34 mtompset But I have two records in the suggestions table, and I know what they are, but I don't know why they aren't showing. 06:35 marcelr morning #koha 06:35 cait morning marcelr 06:35 marcelr :) 06:35 mtompset Greetings, marcelr 06:35 marcelr hi 06:35 wahanui salut, marcelr 06:35 cait :) 06:35 mtompset Greetings, cait. :) 06:35 drojf good morning #koha 06:36 cait ok, have to get ready for work - will be back in a bit :) 06:36 mtompset greetings, drojf 06:36 marcelr hi drojf 06:36 cait morning drojf :) 06:36 drojf hiya mtompset, marcelr and cait 06:36 eythian mtompset: I've only seen it as the result of the filtering 06:37 mtompset It says filter by clear. 06:37 mtompset Going to see if there are error log entries. 06:38 alex_a hello world ! 06:38 drojf hi alex_a 06:38 mtompset bonjour tout le monde? ;) 06:38 mtompset (sorry if I mangled the french) 06:38 alex_a bonjour tout seul mtompset 06:38 mtompset Greetings, alex_a 06:39 alex_a mtompset: perfect ! 06:43 reiveune hello 06:43 wahanui bonjour, reiveune 06:43 marcelr hi reiveune 06:43 reiveune salut marcelr :) 06:44 eythian I really need to add some kind of cache to debian/update-control...it's soooo slow 06:56 francharb good morning #koha 06:56 matts hi ! 06:57 julian_m hello 06:59 mveron Good morning #koha 07:00 * eythian finally starts 3.8.5 building 07:01 eythian some bad people out there who add dependencies without adding them to the appropriate file. 07:06 gaetan_B hello 07:11 mtompset okay this is weird... I added a suggestion, all three suggestions list. I delete my suggestion that I added. All suggestions disappear. 07:11 mbalmer hello 07:14 eythian mtompset: that is weird 07:16 mveron Hi mbalmer and hi everybody 07:21 mtompset Okay, weirder... I go to home, click on the pending suggestions, and even my added one isn't listed anymore. 07:21 eythian ah right, I could see that happening 07:21 eythian OK, packages built, but no non-expired key to sign them with. So tomorrow I'll deploy them. 07:22 mtompset can you give a rough etd? 07:22 eythian mtompset: tomorrow 07:22 wahanui i guess tomorrow is pizza friday! or the day after today. 07:22 Waylon tuesday? 07:22 wahanui tuesday is good too 07:22 Waylon hehe 07:22 eythian probably before noon tomorrow. 07:22 eythian NZST that is 07:23 eythian mtompset: if you want to help, bug 8806 ;) 07:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8806 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Debian packaging updates 07:25 mtompset Okay, so that before 8am Manila time. ;) 07:25 eythian most likely :) 07:28 drojf eythian: how would one test that? apply patch, build package and try to install? 07:29 eythian drojf: yeah 07:29 eythian realistically, only the build should be able to fail 07:29 eythian anyway, time for me to go 07:30 mtompset By the way, I'm pretty sure a patched install_misc/debian.packages file should have the same lib contents as the control file, right? So perhaps you may wish to look at bug 8784 which I posted. 07:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8784 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Missing files in debian.packages list 07:30 eythian mtompset: have a look at debian/update-control (or debian/list-deps) 07:30 eythian I think you are likely to be right 07:30 eythian also debian/control.in 07:31 * eythian makes like a tree and gets out of hair 07:31 drojf seems like the sd card of my development pi is really broken, so much for testing anything :( 07:32 mtompset broken? how? 07:33 mtompset BTW, debian/list-deps is a perl pre-cursor to my check_deps.sh script which is in the release-tools repository, eythian . 07:33 drojf i wanted to try building the 3.8.5 package yesterday and at some point it only said "segmentation fault". it does not boot anymore, i am able to open it in a card reader and copy stuff though so i don't really know what is going on 07:33 mtompset Oh that sucks big time. 07:33 drojf at least i got the git stuff copied 07:34 * mtompset nods. 07:34 mtompset Saves an hour or three there. :) 07:36 drojf yes. but i somehow hoped it would just repair itself over night ;) 07:39 mtompset I think there is some magically awesome bits that are required to boot, before grub. Perhaps those got toasted. 07:39 mtompset did you try another SD card yet? 07:40 drojf yes the pi is fine. glad i made a new card with fresh debian and koha stable before so i can still play with it ;) 07:40 drojf changing the boot stuff is the first thing i will try 07:41 mtj hi #koha 07:41 drojf hi mtj 07:42 mtj halcyonCorsair, i spotted this recently -> http://www.slideshare.net/dagolden/cooking-perlwithchefpresentationfinal 07:43 mtj … all very relevant to koha 07:53 Waylon drojf, what about using squashfs on the pi? 07:54 * Waylon has a few 128 mb flash sticks... wondering if i can fit a working bootable koha on it. 07:54 Waylon for pc's 07:54 Waylon ah... 07:54 Waylon nevermind/ 07:54 Waylon ... 07:55 Waylon welcome back drojf ? 08:12 kf hi #koha 08:42 mtompset Greetings, kf_afk. ;) 08:42 mtompset 128MB?! Are you mad?! 08:54 mtj Waylon, 128 is too small for Koha 09:17 jcamins 4:40 is much to early to get up. 09:22 Waylon even squashfs'ed mtj, mtompset ? 09:22 mtompset I did it this morning, then after a couple hours of productivity, I went back to sleep. :) 09:23 mtompset Oh, this is disk space, not memory... never mind, Waylon. 09:24 mtompset a du -h on /usr/share/koha for 3.8.4 package install is 377M. 09:24 mtompset I don't think you can get it to work on 128M, unless you have compression on the fly. 09:25 mtj … which is what squashfs is, afaik 09:26 Waylon yes. 09:26 Waylon its what openwrt uses 09:26 mtompset I don't think on the fly compression is going to be that good. 09:26 Waylon And i run openwrt on my asteriskbox/router. 09:27 mtompset Because you'll also need the linux installed too. 09:27 Waylon right. 09:27 Waylon well.. sounds like a challenge. 09:27 ibeardslee but if you mount parts of the tree on other systems then you can probably do it 09:28 Waylon eh, I do have TWO 128mb flashdrives. 09:28 mtj Waylon, if you are looking for a decent pet project for Koha… -> Carton support 09:28 Waylon Carton support? 09:28 ibeardslee .. network shares .. on other servers/PCs/workstations etc 09:28 mtj bug 8807 09:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8807 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , add Carton support to Koha 09:29 mtompset ibeardslee: I was thinking he was going to get everything contained on 128MB, OS and Koha and Data. 09:29 Waylon yea. I am thinking that. 09:30 Waylon but i do have two 128 sticks, so will try that before pruning the default perl install. 09:30 ibeardslee that'd be interesting project 09:30 mtj …why not a simple beowulf cluster of 128mb unionfs openwrt boxes, in the cloud? 09:31 Waylon hahah 09:31 mtompset If you find that you can fit the /usr/share/koha tree on 128MB, and the OS on 128, then it may be possible, if you mount your data elsewhere. 09:31 Waylon .. why would koha need 128mb by itself? 09:31 mtompset I told you that I did a du -h on /usr/share/koha. 09:31 mtompset I got 377M. 09:32 Waylon this including git? 09:32 mtompset no. 09:32 Waylon hmm.. 09:32 mtompset If you can fit that tree on 128MB squashfs, then it may be possible over two sticks plus a data source. 09:35 Waylon wow.... alot of javascript source. 09:35 Waylon prog/en/js .. 3.7M of javascript 09:36 mtompset oh right... I forgot languages. 09:37 Waylon ccsr costs 1.5M 09:37 Waylon opac-tmpl/lib costs 5M 09:38 Waylon installer alone plus mysql datafiles... 69 M 09:38 mtompset Okay... my mistake make that roughly 300MB without a second language. 09:41 Waylon exclude t, exclude migration_tools/22_to_30 09:42 Waylon exclude misc/translator/ 09:43 kf_afk you wan exclude the po files 09:43 mtj include a zebra database 09:43 kf_afk but if you want more languages you will have to readd them I think 09:43 mtompset You can probably exclude the lib/yui files, but make sure your setting is to use it externally. 09:44 kf_afk hmnot sure that's recommended it might cause problems 09:44 Waylon ...... all the excludes end up with 41M left of usage 09:45 mtj include 103mb of perl modules 09:45 mtompset A 256 squashfs might be able to do it. ;) 09:45 mtompset But that's for only the installed koha parts. 09:45 Waylon yeah. 09:46 Waylon maybe even a 128 mb. its pushing it though. no room for graphical interface or anything. server on a stick. 09:46 Waylon Sounds like a fun project though. 09:46 mtompset I think this is where you'd want to try DSL. 09:46 * Waylon nods. 09:46 jcamins Waylon: it seems to me there are more useful projects you could find. 09:47 mtompset http://damnsmalllinux.org/ 09:48 mtj jcamins++ 09:49 Waylon yes jcamins, I know. Like my current port koha 3.0 mods to koha master, then backport... which.. ah.. isn't so fun. 09:50 Waylon oh btw, todays summary of karma. 09:50 Waylon catalystit++ 09:51 Waylon rangi++ 09:51 Waylon siridynix? 09:51 Waylon hrm. 09:51 Waylon ah 09:51 Waylon sirsidynix? 09:51 Waylon hmm.. how to describe.. 09:53 Waylon haha.. brilliant... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SirsiDynix "SirsiDynix claims to be a global leader in providing "technology solutions" to libraries" someone put "claims" in there. 09:55 mtj aah, so thats where LL pinched their 'global leader' blurb from 09:55 Waylon huh? 09:56 Waylon LL sabotaged sirsidynix wiki entry? 09:58 mtj no, LL had a similar 'global leader in bla bla…' blurb on their website 09:58 Waylon ahh 09:59 Waylon oooo 09:59 Waylon a user named "Mean as custard" changed IS to Claims to be. 09:59 Waylon haha 10:00 Waylon calling it a "clarification" 10:00 Waylon hmm. 10:00 Waylon http://wikileaks.org/wiki/SirsiDynix_Corp_restricted_lobby_paper_against_Open_Source_technologies%2C_Sep_2009 10:03 mtj but seriously.. is Graphics::Magick.pm currently impossible to install ? 10:03 Waylon hrm? think i installed the deb.. 10:04 mtompset Under what OS? 10:04 mtj its always been difficult, but now its no longer on CPAN?! 10:04 jcamins mtj: It has serious issues, yes. 10:04 Waylon debian squeeze 10:04 wahanui debian squeeze is recommended for koha? 10:04 mtj under *any* OS 10:04 Waylon libgraphics-magick-perl 10:04 Waylon is installed 10:04 mtompset Actually, it's the reason we need to use the gd-xpm version. ;) 10:05 mtj ah ok, i missed the package on debian 10:06 mtompset bug 8784 10:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8784 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Missing files in debian.packages list 10:07 jcamins mtompset: why on earth would we want to use the xpm version? 10:07 mtj so, perlmagick.pm is now the offical way to access GM -> http://www.graphicsmagick.org/perl.html 10:08 mtj … not graphicsmagick.pm ? 10:08 mtompset There's something about graphics-magick that triggered a swap from the noxpm version. 10:08 mtompset at least last time I looked at it. 10:08 mtompset under ubuntu. 10:08 jcamins mtompset: yes, you had installed X. 10:09 jcamins Changing the dependency is not a good idea, though. 10:09 jcamins Most of us don't want to install X on our servers. 10:09 mtompset I know that. 10:09 mtompset Just saying that pieces of it happen. 10:10 mtj … if you install it on a box with X 10:21 kf_afk chef-koha? :) 10:21 kf_afk oh... i hoped it was about recipes 10:22 jcamins Hehe. 10:22 jcamins It is, just not food recipes. 10:22 kf_afk hmm 10:22 kf_afk can you explain? 10:23 jcamins Chef uses "recipes" for configuring software automatically. 10:23 jcamins :) 10:24 kf_afk hm 10:24 mtompset http://www.slideshare.net/dagolden/cooking-perlwithchefpresentationfinal (mtj posted this earlier) 10:25 mtj … now there is a worthy koha installation project, folks 10:27 mtompset yes, but it requires familiarity with each of the pieces talked about. 10:28 mtj mtompset, does not everything? 10:28 mtompset sadly, yes. 10:37 jcamins mtompset: BTW, regarding the Ubuntu installation document on the wiki, it instructs people to install the packages, and then pick up again at running Makefile.PL, which is a little confusing. 10:38 mtompset Yes, I've gotten distracted. 10:38 mtompset I'll be cleaning that up... actually splitting it. 10:52 drojf how would i move my git stuff to a different computer? just copy over the koha folder including the .git folder? 10:54 Barrc morning all - does there exist a command line borrower import utility? I see plenty of request for one and RFCs but I can't seem to locate one! 10:59 Waylon jcamins, regards to my multibranch system, does the syspref: multibranch disable/enable assigning multiple branches to a patron.: make sense? 11:00 mtj Barrc, ask the catalyst-nz people - they have one, i am sure 11:01 jcamins Waylon: that's not a good name for the syspref, but I can't think of a good one at the moment. 11:01 mtj eythian, or rangi may know the url ^^ 11:01 Barrc mtj: Thanks - will do. 11:02 Waylon think i also need to include a syspref "Completely independant libraries" - Different branches are completely seperate, a user cannot search outside assigned branches. 11:02 Waylon makes sense? 11:02 kf_afk Waylon: that multibranch thing sounds like a lot of trouble 11:03 kf_afk Waylon: there are system preferences to make koha choose circ and return and reserve rules by patron home library 11:03 mtj http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=tree;f=import;hb=refs/heads/import_branch 11:04 mtj http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=import/csv/rbnz/rbnz_borrowers.pl;h=b993da31f9e420ed645615dd5892873a64ca5f8e;hb=refs/heads/import_branch 11:04 mtj Barrc, import borrowers from csv file ^^ 11:04 Waylon Yes, but it does not limit branches access to search results, its what the company i work for, uses. 11:05 Waylon turning branches into libraries basically. and if one has the branches, the ability to search across libraries. 11:05 Barrc mtj: Excellent, thanks for that. I may need to modify it slightly as it doesn't seem to match/ignore existing users! Thanks! 11:06 kf_afk Waylon: if the functionality is limited to searches, maybe have that reflected in the preference name 11:06 mtj Barrc, … and rememeber ask on the lists and irc - and save yourself a bunch of xtra effort 11:07 Barrc yeah, I was already spec'ing up the job to write from scratch - saves me a lot of time! 11:08 mtj catalyst prolly have a better version of that old script by now, at least 11:08 jcamins migration toolkit? 11:08 jcamins migration toolbox? 11:09 jcamins migration toolbox is https://www.gitorious.org/koha-toolbox/ 11:09 jcamins migration toolkit is https://www.gitorious.org/koha-toolbox/ 11:09 jcamins That might be of use. 11:09 mtj aah, there you go :) 11:09 Waylon kf_afk, hmm.... think it only affects searches. what other systems does a opac user use, across branches? 11:10 kf_afk circulation? 11:10 wahanui well, circulation is really much faster with that... But also display of biblios with many items...... 11:10 kf_afk suggestion management maybe 11:10 Waylon hmm.. we personally don't use circ, nor suggestions system. 11:10 kf_afk yeah 11:11 kf_afk I was worried that your development will have unwanted side effects from the description 11:11 kf_afk if you add the ability to have more than one home library for a patron - this will surely explode 11:11 kf_afk if you add a different table, it could work 11:11 jcamins kf_afk: it couldn't be a home library. 11:11 Waylon ah, I use BorrowerExtendedAttributes 11:11 jcamins It would have to be something like "affiliated library." 11:11 kf_afk but I think it it's for search, mabe it shoudl not be branches but search properties defined in branchreleations and then a new field in the patron record for those. 11:12 kf_afk jcamins: yep :) 11:12 Barrc jcamins: That's great - thanks. Seems to be all I need! 11:14 Waylon kf_afk, whoa.. thats getting way complicated .. ah.... hmm. ill do syspref "Limit searches by available branches" - "Opac users can only search those branches that are available to them. This only affects searches." 11:15 kf_afk Waylon: sorry :) 11:15 Waylon sound okay? 11:15 kf_afk only pointing out there is already a way to group libraries for search :) 11:15 kf_afk so thought it could maybe work with this 11:15 Waylon ah? is there? 11:16 kf_afk yes, youcan group branches into search properties 11:16 kf_afk those will show up in the opac too 11:16 Waylon ah.. group branches.. but hmm... 11:17 Waylon what if the staff member creating the patron, wants to abitarily choose branches to limit them to? 11:17 kf_afk hm sounds like better do without the search group sthen 11:18 Waylon yeah. and i think i got the language right in the new syspref description? 11:18 kf_afk I think available branches would make me a bit confused 11:18 kf_afk what about 11:19 kf_afk limist/Don't limit searches to libraries (we avoid branches) configured in the patron record. 11:19 Waylon Well... available.. as in, if the entire koha install had branches A B C and D, but you were only given access to A and B, your available branches, are A and B 11:19 Waylon ahh. 11:19 kf_afk and maybe add OPAC in thee 11:20 kf_afk and ignore the typos of course... 11:20 kf_afk Limit/Don't limit OPAC searches of a logged in patron... 11:20 kf_afk what does happen if the user is not logged in? 11:21 Waylon hmm.. this syspref would most likely be used by a logged-in only opac. 11:21 Waylon if not a secure opac.. hmm.... maybe a default patron record? 11:22 Waylon like "guest" or somesuch. 11:22 kf_afk hm 11:22 * Waylon shrugs. "Did not think about that." 11:23 kf_afk you could limit the functionality to private opacs maybe 11:23 kf_afk just make all searchable if the opac is not hidden? 11:23 Waylon yes, it wouldn't make sense otherwise. 11:23 kf_afk would be easier than using an anonymous patron maybe 11:24 Waylon Limit/Don't limit OPAC searches of a logged in patron to libraries configured in the patron record, provided that the opac is configured for secure. 11:25 Waylon "the opac is configured for secure" sounds abit wrong? needs rewording? 11:28 jcamins "... if OpacPublic is disabled." 11:29 Waylon yeah! hmm.. now for a short name. 11:29 Waylon for code purposes... eeek. 11:30 Waylon branchsearchlimit? 11:31 jcamins Just make sure you are cooperating with SearchMyLibraryFirst. 11:31 Waylon hmm? 11:31 Waylon which does? 11:32 jcamins I'm saying your code needs to. 11:32 Waylon I mean, what does SearchMyLibraryFirst do? 11:34 Waylon branchlimitsearch (hmm?) doesn't change the order of results, just limits them .. like a "limit by" 11:35 jcamins It doesn't have anything to do with sorting results. 11:35 jcamins It limits searches to the logged-in user's library by default. 11:36 * kf_afk nods 11:37 kf_afk Waylon: sorry - we are not trying to make this hard for you - but it has to integrate into existing featuers to make its way in 11:37 Waylon right. 11:39 Waylon limits searches to the home library by default, but allows for the selection of other libraries if needed? 11:40 jcamins I believe so. 11:40 jcamins I don't entirely recall at this point. 11:42 Waylon hmm.. as one of the features of mandumah is a library selection page (via checkboxes) at login, which i probably won't submit to koha community (who would want that feature?), id probably not touch that mechanic anyway. 11:43 jcamins Waylon: I am certain you will be touching the code involved. 11:43 Waylon id just commit the syspref changes, the borrowerextendedattribute changes and the search code changes... the interface changes... most likely all mandumah specific. 11:44 jcamins Waylon: the "search changes" will involve the exact same part of code that SearchMyLibraryFirst is involved in. 11:47 Waylon wait... the language used in the syspref, it sounds like its exactly what I want? 11:48 Waylon Limit/Don't limit patrons' searches to the library they are registered at. 11:48 jcamins Waylon: except you're doing something with multiple branches. 11:48 Waylon Yes. 11:48 jcamins That's why I'm saying you want to make sure that your changes don't conflict with that. 11:49 Waylon if SearchMyLibraryFirst is on, ignore multibranch? 11:49 Waylon since it takes security precidence? 11:49 jcamins Or make SearchMyLibraryFirst understand multibranch. 11:50 Waylon hmm.. its used in only Auth and opac-user 11:54 Waylon wooo massive netburp 11:55 Waylon hmm.. its used in only Auth and opac-user, and inserts the branch limit into masthead.inc's opac search... 11:55 kf_afk oleonard++ 11:55 Waylon did i miss something? 11:56 kf_afk that woudl make sense 11:56 kf_afk it changed the default setting of the masthead's opac search 11:57 Waylon it doesn't actually sanitise it, seems like one could add additional branches by adding limit_cgi themselves. 11:57 jcamins I have *got* to stop doing that. 11:57 Waylon doing what? 11:57 jcamins I keep on going "oh no, where's my new feature?!?!?!?" and getting very frustrated. 11:58 jcamins Then I remember that I forgot to disable it. 11:58 Waylon hmm? 11:58 jcamins *EN*able it 11:58 kf_afk lol 11:58 jcamins Fourth time today. 11:58 * kf_afk hands jcamins a cookie and reassures him all his nice features are fine and alive 11:58 * Waylon is keeping a bugzilla on his dev machine, for devel planning / notes.] 12:00 Waylon so yeah, seems like the limit isn't actually enforced in opac-search.pl 12:02 Waylon one could add multiple branches into multiple &limit's, and get more than their home branch. 12:02 jcamins Waylon: hence "first" ;) 12:05 Waylon unless OpacAddMastheadLibraryPulldown is turned on, in which case, other branches wouldn't appear... [% IF ( mylibraryfirst ) %] (in [% mylibraryfirst %] only)[% END %] is enacted.... but not actually enforced. 12:06 jcamins Right, it's available only through the advanced search due to the way Apache handles environment variables. 12:06 * jcamins gets ready to head into the city. 12:07 Waylon hmm? 12:10 Waylon okay, time to stop work, relax then bed. 12:13 kf_afk sleep well 12:26 jcamins_away mtj: 36k lines? Surely there's a better way to do that? 12:27 mtj hopefully.. yes! 12:27 jcamins_away Maybe a "generate carton" script? 12:28 mtj jcamins_away++ yeah, a very nice idea 12:28 jcamins_away Updating that by hand looks not reasonable. 12:28 jcamins_away (and as RM presumptive for 3.12, I'd be the one doing it :P) 12:29 mtj im hoping to get some discussion about the tool, so i send an initial patch… for discussion :) 12:29 jcamins_away wajasu likes it. 12:30 mtj but yeah… that .lock file could be autogened, from a script, at install time 12:31 jcamins_away That's the ticket! 12:32 jcamins_away Surely you didn't just write all that by hand. Just copy your history into a script, and attach that too. :) 12:36 mtj no, not written by hand - and yes, i'll attach the build steps too 13:08 mtj jcamins_away, install steps added to bug, ftw 13:22 jcamins mtj++ 13:27 mtompset number? 13:27 wahanui number is right 13:27 mtompset wahanui: forget number 13:27 wahanui mtompset: I forgot number 13:28 * mtompset waves bye. 13:31 * Guest8029 waves 13:32 * jcamins waves back. 13:32 jcamins I came across a recipe that I thought "ooh, wizzyrea would love this," but now I can't remember what it was. 13:32 wizzyrea :) 13:32 wizzyrea it will come to you 13:33 * druthb waves to wizzyrea. 13:33 wizzyrea sup peeps 13:34 oleonard Hi wizz and jc 13:34 * jcamins waves to oleonard. 13:35 nengard I'm trying to document bug 7993 but I'm not sure how to add a subgroup .. I put some in the authorized value but they don't show when adding a report ? can someone who tested this (or who understands this) point me in the right direction? 13:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7993 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , saved report with hierarchies 13:36 nengard speaking of recipes ? I'm gonna try this later this week (once the ingredients arrive): http://www.skinnytaste.com/2012/09/skinny-pumpkin-overnight-oats-in-jar.html 13:36 nengard YUM! 13:37 mveron oleonard++ (For signing off Bug 8810 tha fast! ) 13:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8810 normal, P3, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Opac: Cart should display branchname instead of branchcode 13:38 * oleonard likes an easy signoff to distract him from other work 13:39 nengard :) 13:43 nengard figured bug 7993 out .. now to figure out how to make that clear to people reading the manual 13:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7993 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , saved report with hierarchies 13:44 * oleonard looks forward to learning how that works 13:55 samuel hi to all 13:55 samuel could someone explain to me this message "ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/*mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) " 13:56 jcamins samuel: it means MySQL is not running, most likely. 13:57 jcamins Or you have the path wrong. 13:57 jcamins Probably the wrong path. 13:57 jcamins I don't know what that "*" would be doing there. 14:04 drojf in what path would i find the actual mysql data used by my koha installation? 14:05 jcamins drojf: uh-oh 14:05 gmcharlt drojf: /var/lib/mysql (most commonly) 14:06 jcamins /var/lib/mysql/[database]/* + /var/lib/mysql/ibdata* 14:06 jcamins First has table definitions, second has data, I think. 14:06 drojf ah yes there we are. thanks a lot gmcharlt and jcamins 14:07 * drojf is putting together bits and pieces of his development pi 14:07 jcamins Easiest is to restore *all* MySQL databases at once when recovering from ibdata, I think. 14:07 gmcharlt jcamins: (depends - if you have innodb_file_per_table set, /var/lib/mysql/database/* also has the data) 14:08 jcamins gmcharlt: ah, true. 14:08 drojf i'll try to just copy the whole /var folder over from the broken installation to the backup i restored i guess. 14:10 drojf either it will explode or not ;) 14:10 mveron oleonard: If you like to get the score point on the dshboard you should switch status Bug 8810 to signed off :-) 14:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8810 normal, P3, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Opac: Cart should display branchname instead of branchcode 14:11 * oleonard forgets when git-bz is doing everything else for him 14:11 mveron :-) 14:11 jcamins oleonard: that's why I hacked git-bz to do it for me. 14:11 jcamins jcamins' git-bz? 14:11 * drojf considers stealing the point just for the fun of it :P 14:11 mveron drojf: As I did wit one of your points a couple of weeks ago... 14:11 jcamins jcamins' git-bz is https://github.com/jcamins/git-bz 14:12 oleonard How does it work jcamins? 14:12 * mveron should put his glasses... 14:12 drojf mveron: exactly ;) 14:13 jcamins oleonard: exactly the same as the regular one, except you uncomment the new status you want to set. 14:13 mveron ddrojf: But I gave you the chance to get an other point back :-) 14:13 jcamins The only problem is that if you uncomment an illegal status, it gets very grouchy and you have to repeat the command. 14:14 oleonard "illegal?" 14:14 drojf mveron: yes, also we did not know then that you would get the point for that :) 14:14 jcamins oleonard: if you try to move from "Needs Signoff" to "Passed QA" or "Pushed to Master" to "Needs Signoff." 14:14 jcamins That sort of thing. 14:14 oleonard Clever. 14:15 nengard uh oh! my favorite reports feature doesn't work anymore 14:15 nengard bug 8811 14:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8811 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , can't run report after saving 14:17 drojf i guess i will have to limp to the library to renew my books before restoring my koha git. damn short loan period 14:19 jcamins nengard: are you sure the link ever got into Koha? 14:19 jcamins I remember testing it, but never actually saw it outside my test branch. 14:19 nengard it's there in 3.8.4 14:20 jcamins Oh. 14:20 jcamins Huh. 14:20 jcamins Guess this would be because I rarely create new reports. 14:20 nengard added an image from 3.8.4 14:21 nengard all I do is create reports :) 14:27 kf_afk nengard: do you have permission to run the reports? 14:27 nengard i'm superlibrarian 14:27 kf_afk I think creating and running are different 14:27 kf_afk maybe try adding the perm for a test? 14:28 * oleonard agrees that nengard is 14:30 oleonard I don't even remember seeing that button before 14:32 wajasu libsysguy: did you see my comment about using $ENV{'DBIC_DONT_VALIDATE_RELS'} = 1; to squelch the the DBIx validation warning? 14:32 oleonard nengard: The link doesn't appear because [% id %] is not present in the template, and the button doesn't work because [% id %] isn't present in the template 14:33 oleonard the edit button won't work either for the same reason 14:33 nengard so it's a template bug? 14:33 nengard can you fix it? if so I'll sign off immediately :) 14:33 nengard both button and link used to work 14:33 nengard and have been there for a while :) 14:33 * oleonard is checking 14:35 oleonard nengard: Are you in master? 14:35 nengard ues 14:35 nengard or 14:35 nengard yes 14:37 * oleonard blames Bug 7993 14:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7993 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , saved report with hierarchies 14:38 nengard oleonard yes, that's what I'm documenting 14:38 nengard that's where i found the problem 14:39 nengard figured if it was a small template fix though it just needed a new bug report instead of messing with the bigger dev/feature 14:40 oleonard No, not a template bug as far as I can tell. Something changed which used to pass the report ID to the template after saving a new report (work with editing a report) 14:41 kf_afk uhoh. 14:41 oleonard Oh wait, maybe I spoke too soon 14:45 nengard about which? 14:49 oleonard Figured it out 14:49 oleonard The part of the script which passes the report name and id was summarily dropped. 14:49 oleonard Was it considered superfluous? I don't know. 14:51 oleonard No, it's bug introduced by changes to the script 14:51 nengard meh 14:51 * oleonard fixes 14:51 nengard oooo :)( 14:51 nengard that was :) 14:51 nengard can't type today 14:56 libsysguy wajasu: sorry I was AFK 14:56 oleonard patch sent 14:56 oleonard jcamins++ # for the git-bz tweak 14:56 libsysguy yeah I saw it, I was trying to decide how to proceed 14:58 libsysguy wajasu: if that went in would it merit a sign-off? 14:58 libsysguy ;) 14:58 jcamins oleonard: I suppose I should also add a "take this bug" option to git-bz. 14:59 oleonard Yes, and have it give my coffee a warm-up too 15:02 nengard oleonard++ 15:04 libsysguy anybody seen bug 8798 yet? 15:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8798 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, elliott, Needs Signoff , Add the use of DBIx::Class 15:04 libsysguy it needs a sign-offer from a good friend :p 15:05 * jcamins has played with it. 15:05 libsysguy didn't you have some issues jcamins? 15:05 libsysguy i mean other than the normal ones :p 15:05 jcamins libsysguy: I did, yes. 15:06 libsysguy did you get them worked out? or are they still pending 15:06 * jcamins hasn't decided yet what the proper response is. 15:06 * libsysguy is concerned you're waiting to pounce with a fail flag :p 15:06 jcamins lol 15:07 reiveune bye 15:07 libsysguy he always does that 15:08 jcamins I think we need to have some kind of buffer against CPANed DBIx::Class screwing things up, since that's not going to be an uncommon issue for anyone who decided to try using Solr. 15:08 kf_afk jcamins: so are you pro or contra dbx:class is probably the question ;) 15:08 kf_afk oh 15:08 jcamins kf_afk: pro DBIx::Class. 15:08 jcamins Very strongly. 15:08 kf_afk is it only on cpan? 15:09 jcamins kf_afk: no, it's in packages. 15:09 jcamins The version in packages works great. 15:09 jcamins The last version from CPAN works great. 15:09 jcamins The version that was in CPAN when the Solr code was added to Koha does not work. 15:10 libsysguy so basically it works as long as you're not tinkering with solr 15:10 libsysguy if you are, you're going to have to fix your packages 15:11 jcamins libsysguy: it works as long as you *weren't* tinkering with Solr. 15:11 kf_afk ah 15:11 libsysguy right 15:11 kf_afk so in solr the version is hardcoded soewhere? 15:11 jcamins You can play with it all you want now. 15:11 jcamins Nope. 15:11 kf_afk or it won't work with the newer? 15:11 libsysguy thats what I meant, I just didn't say it well 15:11 wajasu libsysguy: yes. i'd signoff 15:11 kf_afk or what I am missing here? 15:11 jcamins kf_afk: the problem is that developers who tried Solr right when it was added to Koha will encounter an error that won't be encountered by anyone else. 15:11 libsysguy ok i think i have completed my bribe of wajasu :p 15:11 libsysguy jk wajasyu 15:12 libsysguy wajasu** 15:12 jcamins kf_afk: so I'd like to find some way of warning people who may have installed DBIx::Class from CPAN while it was unstable that they need to just switch to packages. 15:13 jcamins Actually, no, it wasn't even DBIx::Class that was the problem. 15:13 jcamins It was Scalar::Utils. 15:13 jcamins I think. 15:13 kf_afk ok, still confused 15:13 wahanui somebody said confused was "Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?" 15:13 kf_afk but I am sure you know what you are talking about :) 15:16 kf_afk bye all :) 15:17 libsysguy ok wajasu its updated 15:17 wajasu ok. testing... 15:17 wahanui i think testing is fun! or easier when you have a test plan. Hint hint. 15:21 oleonard Nice try anyway wahanui 15:22 libsysguy wahanui sounds like rangi's puppet :p 15:22 wahanui libsysguy: huh? 15:39 nengard you asked for an example in comment 2 but i'm not seeing one in a reply ? unless i'm missing it 15:40 jcamins nengard: I did get the example, because I wasn't able to figure it out initially. 15:40 jcamins Probably via IRC. 15:40 nengard right 15:40 nengard that's what I think 15:40 jcamins Let me see if I have that syspref still set. 15:41 jcamins I do not. 15:41 nengard hmmm 15:42 nengard okay 15:42 nengard I'll reply on the bug 15:42 jcamins I think it was 100a, etc. 15:42 jcamins But, not at all sure. 15:43 libsysguy jcamins, wajasu I just tested updating column definitions with the update script while preserving edited relationships and it works like a charm 15:43 wajasu sweet. 15:51 wajasu libsysguy: looking at what has been and may ever be installed on squeeze: https://launchpad.net/debian/+source/libdbix-class-schema-loader-perl/+publishinghistory 15:54 wajasu the fact that you probably did a cpan install, will that burn us later 7000-1( squeeze) vs 7025-1(wheezy), vs 7003(cpan) with a catch-22? 15:55 wajasu if folks develop by pulling from cpan, will that never get packaged for squeeze? 15:56 jcamins libsysguy: oh, you're not using the version from Debian? 15:56 libsysguy when I did this install I had to go fetch from packages 15:57 libsysguy this box *should* be free of all cpam 15:57 wajasu i suspect folks will be on squeeze for some time. OR would there be a wheezy requirement by the time this stuff rolls out? 15:57 * jcamins had it work absolutely fine on the Debian version. 15:57 libsysguy in fact I know I haven't run any cpan installs on this box, all my cpan work is on my catalyst box 15:59 wajasu my test environment is official squeeze debian package pull (7000). that link above only shows 7000-1 for squeeze. how do you have 7033? 16:00 wajasu the test passes on my new fresh VM (with koha-perl-deps.pl reporting installed version (0.07000) and reqd version (0.07033) 16:01 libsysguy oh I know what happened 16:01 libsysguy instead of doing an apt-cache search I did a cpan search online 16:02 libsysguy apt-cache show libdbix-class-schema-loader-perl — Version: 0.07000-1 16:03 wajasu so what is the correct solution? you dropping the version reqd? 16:03 libsysguy yeah 16:03 wajasu ok. i'll wait for the patch update. 16:04 libsysguy done 16:04 wajasu ok 16:08 wajasu libsysguy: did you mean to obsolete the prior Added... ? 16:09 libsysguy shoot, yes I did 16:09 libsysguy I can do that in the ticket 16:10 wajasu or i can obsolete it when i upload the signoff patch. 16:10 libsysguy its ok, I got it 16:10 libsysguy sorry about that 16:10 libsysguy sometimes its easy to miss that commented out bit 16:11 santy hi all! I'm trying to install koha-latest on centos 6.3 i386. I am following centos 6.2 i386 guide available on koha's wiki. Right now I'm stuck. I get Can't locate ZOOM.pm in @INC error when trying to perl Makefile.PL. Have searched, there seem to be various possible reasons or related dependencies (yaz, libyaz, libyaz-devel , and others) but none of them have worked yet. 16:11 jcamins santy: you probably need to install the Perl libraries for Net::Z3950. 16:13 santy jcamins: do you mean this: yum -y install libnet-z3950-zoom-perl? 16:13 jcamins santy: that sounds reasonable. 16:14 santy i get No package libnet-z3950-zoom-perl available 16:14 jcamins santy: I haven't used CentOS and don't plan on trying it. So I can't comment on what packages you need. 16:15 jcamins What you need are the Perl modules for Net::Z3950::* 16:15 jcamins You could probably try CPANing them. 16:15 gaetan_B bye 16:15 jcamins cpan Net::Z3950::ZOOM 16:15 jcamins (that will pull all the required ones in) 16:16 jcamins (well, it would on Debian, provided you installed the C dependencies) 16:25 martian523 Good morning! 16:26 martian523 I have a question from last week 16:27 rambutan @seen jcamins 16:27 huginn rambutan: jcamins was last seen in #koha 10 minutes and 18 seconds ago: <jcamins> (well, it would on Debian, provided you installed the C dependencies) 16:27 rambutan ping jcamins 16:27 oleonard rambutan: Why don't you just ask him the question rambutan? 16:28 rambutan might could 16:28 * jcamins waves 16:31 martian523 I'm using 3.8.3, when trying to add an "Item Type" in Basic Parameters, according to the manual, there should be a field for renewable. However, this "Renewable" field is not there when i'm trying to add item. 16:32 martian523 and again, i should mention that i'm not IT 16:32 oleonard martian523: According to which manual? 16:33 martian523 the koha manual 16:33 martian523 http://manual.koha-community.org/3.8/en/basicparams.html#itemtypeadmin 16:33 oleonard Which Koha manual? What's the link? 16:34 oleonard I believe that is an error martian523 16:34 martian523 what is the error? 16:34 oleonard You can set the number of renewals for an item type in Circulation and Fine rules 16:35 martian523 ok...now my next question 16:35 oleonard That line, "Enter the total number of renewals allowed for the item type in the 'Renewals' box" should be removed from the manual (attn: nengard ) 16:35 martian523 i did the circulation and fine rules for all my other item types 16:35 nengard k 16:36 martian523 but last week, we came across an item that does not allow any renewals, i set that up, and it seems like it can still let me renew 16:37 oleonard martian523: Could it be getting overridden by a more-specific rule somewhere? Library-specific or patron-specific or something like that? 16:38 martian523 well, my original settings is patron specific, all types, renewal allowed 1 time 16:38 martian523 so that all types override that specific type? 16:38 oleonard Do you have a default rule set up? 16:39 oleonard all patrons/all types/all libraries? 16:41 halcyonCorsair mtj: I'll check it out 16:41 martian523 patron specific/all types/library specific. ie. Alumni, all items, my library, renewals allowed (1) 16:43 martian523 so when I tried to set, all patrons/new book type/renewals allowed (0), it gets override? 16:43 oleonard martian523: I don't know if it's related to your issue, but it is recommended that you start with a default rule set up for all patrons/all types/all libraries. 16:46 halcyonCorsair mtj: that might make life a fair bit easier 16:56 pastebot "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "I need some git help - how do I push my changes - what is this trying to say?" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/195 16:58 jcamins nengard: you amended a commit to the manual, most likely. 16:59 nengard I did not type --amend in any commands ? so how did I do that without knowing? 16:59 nengard and how do I undo it? 16:59 jcamins Either that or you need to merge your new changes. 16:59 jcamins Or you're on the wrong branch. 16:59 jcamins That last just occurred to me. 17:00 jcamins I have no idea how you got a non-fastforward change, but I think probably you could merge the remote branch in, resolve any conflict, and continue on your merry way. 17:08 nengard jcamins what's the command to merge? 17:09 jcamins nengard: git merge. You'll have to experiment -- I'd recommend doing it in a new branch -- to figure out how exactly to resolve the problem. 17:26 jcamins Goodness. A married illustrator duo: Lois and Louis. 17:27 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @jsicot: "c'est quoi cet updatedatabase de la mort ?? #kohails #3.09.00.056" 17:38 jcamins Is jsicot saying that AuthHierarchy doesn't work for him anymore, or that it's like a zombie risen from the grave? 17:39 wizzyrea the updatedatabase of death? 17:39 jcamins wizzyrea: that's what I got from it, too. 17:43 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @paul_poulain: "@jsicot C'est aussi/surtout parce qu'il apporte le support des mobiles. rapetisser fenêtre pour voir le resultat sur grand écran #kohails" 17:43 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @jsicot: "tiens le thème de la communauté Koha-CCSR (http://t.co/tlo0lMhX) a été poussé dans la communautaire #kohails" 18:05 santy hi, have been trying to cpan and compile Net::Z3950::ZOOM v 1.28,1.26,1.25, using both yaz 3.0.49-1.el6, and 4.2.33-2.el6, but keep getting t/15-scan.t and t/25-scan.t errors when making test. And there aren't any package with z3950 as part of their name for centos. Can anyone give me a hint? 18:06 jcamins santy: it will have something to do with yaz, most likely. 18:07 santy why? 18:07 jcamins Because Net::Z3950::ZOOM uses yaz libraries. 18:07 jcamins And if it were missing something core, surely you'd have more errors. 18:08 jcamins (i.e. dependency must exist, just not be working right) 18:09 jcamins You could try skipping the tests, but I would like to point out again that I have no direct experience using CentOS. I am merely telling you what I *do* know, because you're going to have enough trouble without my sharing my non-CentOS knowledge. 18:10 jcamins *not sharing 18:10 santy ok, you mean just make installing and praying? 18:10 jcamins Right. 18:11 jcamins I'm not saying it's a good idea. 18:11 jcamins I'm saying, maybe later on you'll encounter something that explains the error so you can go back and fix it. 18:11 santy so shall it be then 18:12 santy centos comes with yaz 3.0.49-1 package... should I go for it or use yaz 4.2 from fedora? wht would you do? 18:13 nengard_lunch someone hacked the wiki homepage - i fixed it and blocked them - but it looks like we're getting spammed with people signing up again: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges 18:16 jcamins santy: I have yaz 4.0.11. 18:17 oleonard nengard: I had a friend ask me for help with a sudden deluge of comment spam. I wonder if there's a new bot on the market that defeats CAPTCHAs which were previously useful? 18:17 jcamins santy: https://rt.cpan.org/Public/Bug/Display.html?id=77861 <-- looks like someone else had this problem. 18:18 jcamins santy: it looks like Andi Sugandi eventually got Koha installed on CentOS 6.2. 18:19 jcamins Based on my e-mail archives, I think he had trouble with almost every single step. 18:19 jcamins santy: e-mail says 4.2 and do a force install. 18:20 santy lol... thanks for the link... well, I tried version 1.28,1.26,1.25,1.24, they all yielded a lot of errors 18:20 santy ok, will keep yaz 4.2 and force the install 18:31 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @jsicot: "bon, par contre, le format de date du jquery calendar est tjs à l'américaine… #kohails" 18:32 * jcamins tried tweeting at him to ask if he had encountered a problem with AuthDisplayHierarchies. 18:33 jcamins I'm not sure it worked, and not sure that I understood what he said anyway. 18:33 wizzyrea that guy seems irritated. 18:33 wizzyrea maybe it's a cultural thing. 18:36 jcamins Or a language thing. 18:37 oleonard I met him in Marseille, he's not a troll. 18:40 * oleonard denies the allegation that the jquery calendar is always in US format 18:40 oleonard ...but if there's an exception I'd like to know about it. 18:40 nengard can somoene tell me how to checkout the manual3.8.x branch? 18:41 nengard I deleted mine cause it was borked 18:41 nengard but don't have notes on how to pull it down again apparently 18:41 jcamins git checkout -b manual3.8.x origin/manual3.8.x? 18:41 jcamins Substituting the appropriate names in the appropriate places. 18:41 jcamins It's no different from checkout out a branch when working on Koha. 18:42 nengard jcamins I've never done that :) 18:42 nengard but thanks now I can do it on manual and Koha :) 18:42 jcamins nengard: you must, otherwise you wouldn't be able to test things. You probably just call it something else. 18:43 nengard I create branches, but don't pull branches down 18:43 nengard I create a new branch and then apply the patch to that branch 18:43 nengard not quite the same as what I'm doing here 18:44 jcamins Uhh, yes it is. 18:44 jcamins A branch is a branch is a branch. 18:45 santy jcamins: how essential is this... perl translate install zh-Hans-TW 18:45 jcamins santy: uhhh... do you want Chinese? 18:45 jcamins If not, entirely unnecessary. 18:45 santy can I brute force install it, too? 18:45 santy ah ok 18:45 santy great 18:45 jcamins You don't need to do that at all. 18:46 santy it's just on the howto with no explanation, so I figured it could be something important 18:47 jcamins Nope. Apparently CentOS is popular in Chinese-speaking areas. :) 19:04 mtj nengard, theres a synced backup on github too, fyi -> https://github.com/Koha-Community/KohaDocs 19:17 halcyonCorsair mtj: i'm keen on any feedback you have on the chef-koha stuff in terms of specific use cases, etc 19:19 mtj halcyonCorsair, yep - will do 19:27 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Editing Frameworks in Koha 3.4 http://t.co/fIDXMQks" 19:32 rangi On shitty WiFi can someone fix the wiki front page 19:32 jcamins rangi: nengard said she did. 19:32 * rangi is gone again 19:32 rangi Ta 19:33 nengard is it broken again? 19:34 jcamins nengard: doesn't look like it, no. 19:34 nengard whew 19:34 jcamins Though I might be looking at a cached copy, I guess. 19:43 mtj i wonder if newer versions of mediawiki have better anti-spam systems 20:32 * oleonard whispers "Goodbye" to all the sleeping #kohaers 20:32 * jcamins isn't sleeping. 20:32 * jcamins is battling a serial. 20:33 * jcamins is losing. 20:33 * mveron just 'fixed' Bug 8796 20:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8796 major, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , patron cards not starting on designated card 20:33 * mbalmer is listening to new zztop :P 20:56 * libsysguy whistles while integrating DBIx::Class::InflateColumn 20:57 jenkins_koha Starting build #855 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #853 3 days 10 hr ago) 20:58 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5356 follow-up DBRev number <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0ccb53477aea06ae1e8865cf81be962578437c16> / Bug 5356: Followup: remove useless code <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7d323a60e20880590c3cb0a96eb3c07a67f0cdf7> / Bug 5356: Followup: Add basket billing and delivery place on export pdf (layout3pages) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git; 21:12 martian523 Hi, as I was entering a barcode for my item, the barcode number became a skype number for some reason. is there a way to fix that? 21:13 jcamins martian523: no, that's a problem with your browser. 21:13 martian523 o really? 21:13 martian523 but just that particular number, all the others are fine 21:14 rangi yes, its your browser doing autocomplete 21:14 rangi koha has utterly no idea what your skype numbers are:) 21:15 rangi in fact Koha hates skype for the proprietary annoying thing that it is 21:15 rangi (well it would if it was a human) 21:16 libsysguy anybody on used DBIx::Class? 21:16 libsysguy I can't for the life of me figure out how to do an or instead of an and 21:17 libsysguy in a where clause* 21:21 wajasu you get to be the first :) keep notes for the wiki for other folks later if you can. 21:22 * wajasu have to head out to get brake light switch so car will move out of park 21:34 libsysguy ah ha! i figured it out 21:36 * jcamins decides to call it a day, since appparently his wife got home about six hours earlier than expected. 21:36 jcamins Good night, #koha. 21:44 pastebot "libsysguy" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Where with OR" (17 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/196 21:44 libsysguy there is how to do an or statement with DBIx::Class 22:03 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #855: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/855/ 22:03 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 5356: delivery place and billing place centralised in basket management 22:03 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 5356: Followup: Add basket billing and delivery place on export pdf (layout3pages) 22:03 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 5356: Followup: remove useless code 22:03 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 5356 follow-up DBRev number 22:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5356 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Shipping billing address improvements 22:07 mveron Good night #koha 22:08 mveron quit 22:12 wajasu libsysguy: that was just what i was thinking ;) 22:13 eythian hi 22:13 wajasu hi 22:13 wahanui hey, wajasu 22:15 wajasu ut oh 22:15 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 22:16 wajasu mtompset: remember the koha_perl_deps.pl enhancement to generate a cpanfile? 22:16 mtompset vaguely. 22:17 wajasu did you have any outstanding opinion. i wonder if i should submit that as an enhancement? or did you see anything wrong with it. 22:19 wajasu maybe i'll just submit it and see what the fallout/ideas come about. 22:19 mtompset Well, if I recall, the only thing I thought was strange was the way you handled the flag. 22:19 wajasu because i was dependent on the other flags? 22:19 mtompset -m -u -a -i ... those are the core flags. 22:20 mtompset your tweak added -g? as a core flag, but it behaved otherwise. 22:20 mtompset It's a good idea. I just didn't like the implementation. 22:21 wajasu i get you now. it should be an ooptional. ok. will revise. 22:22 mtompset right... so -m -g and -i -g and -u -g and -a -g would all make sense but produce different output. 22:22 mtompset and I think -g doesn't make sense in combination with a -b, does it? 22:23 wajasu thats what i intended. i was trying to see if there is value in allowing those combos. instead of just (-a -g) 22:23 wajasu you are right -b -g is not useful. 22:24 mtompset So you might need to add some sanity check on the flags. 22:24 wajasu ok. i'll do that then. 22:24 mtj wajasu, i can think of some nice other uses for your tweak too 22:25 wajasu as it is or do you want me to add more logic? 22:25 mtj … generating a cpanfile based on your installed modules, not the required modules 22:26 wajasu that's new functionality right? that would pretty much cover all bases. 22:26 mtj ie: generate both on a deb-stable box, and diff the errors, etc 22:27 wajasu gotcha. 22:27 mtj afaik, the feature doesnt exist... yet 22:29 wajasu i have been having succes with cpanm -L local . and then i do du -s -h local to see how many megabytes of usage. 22:29 mtj ^^ its the nicest way yet, to spot those errors 22:30 wajasu carton has and issue with matching ExtUtils::MakeMaker version, and i like the carton show and carton tree commands, but with the "issue" carton check seems to bail. 22:31 wajasu but just with cpanm its all worht it. 22:31 mtj yeah, i spotted some cartons glitches too, ( i didnt know if it was just me, or not) 22:32 mtj cpanm and carton play pretty nice together (same author) 22:34 mtj wajasu, hmm, i was going to QA a bug for you some days ago… what was it? 22:35 wajasu somethin i signed off on for someone? 22:37 wajasu maybe 8702 for fridolyn 22:41 wajasu or libsysguy's 8798 (i just signed off on that). or 8780 (thats easy, mtopset's) 22:42 wajasu my main bug that i worked on was 8378, but that is pushed to master 22:42 * wajasu i've got to go help a friend replace a brake light switch. fun fun fun. 22:57 jenkins_koha Starting build #185 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 23:09 * mtompset sings, "Hi ho! Hi ho! Let's split the big, great wall." 23:17 YoungPublicLibrarian Hello everyone! Just popping on to ask a really hard question 23:19 YoungPublicLibrarian Question is: How would one create a report that displayed the itype BOOK separated into Fiction and Non-Fiction? 23:20 jcamins_away YoungPublicLibrarian: do you have that data in the record somewhere? 23:20 jcamins_away (note: I'm really not here) 23:20 jcamins_away (you can tell by the way I'm not responding:P) 23:21 YoungPublicLibrarian lol, okay. Well, I'm not actually sure....is there a way I could look? 23:21 jcamins_away I have no idea. You'd have to ask your catalogers if there is any indication. 23:21 jcamins_away There's a chance you have literary form set for fiction. 23:22 jcamins_away But then again you might not. 23:22 jcamins_away Depends on how strict your cataloging policies have been over the last fifty years. 23:22 YoungPublicLibrarian Hm...the call number differs for NF and F, but I don't know if that has anything to do with what I'm wanting to do... 23:24 jcamins_away If that works for you, there's a report on the wiki that should do it. 23:25 jcamins_away Anyone around who could test something for me? 23:25 YoungPublicLibrarian Which report would that be? I looked, but I have been looking at the screen all day...may have missed it. lol 23:26 jcamins_away YoungPublicLibrarian: something about items in a call number range. 23:26 mtj jcamins_away, me perhaps? 23:26 jcamins_away mtj: does the CCSR theme load YUI properly? 23:26 YoungPublicLibrarian Ah, yes...no I remember. I tried that one but it gave so many results that my director went cross eyed... 23:27 jcamins_away YoungPublicLibrarian: of course it did. 23:27 jcamins_away You're going to have scads. 23:27 * jcamins_away leaves again to eat dinner. 23:27 jcamins_away mtj: could you highlight me with your answer so I see it later? 23:28 YoungPublicLibrarian lol, yeah...so now I'm working on finding something simpler...thanks for the help though. 23:28 jcamins_away YoungPublicLibrarian: you're going to have a ton of results. 23:28 mtj jcamins_away, yep - it does :) 23:29 jcamins_away mtj: it does load YUI properly? Good. 23:29 mtj [off] http://head.kohaaloha.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=the 23:30 jcamins_away Hrm. 23:30 jcamins_away Thanks. 23:30 YoungPublicLibrarian Thanks Jcamins, I'll keep working on it. 23:30 * jcamins_away really leaves. 23:32 mtj left side facets are wonky tho 23:36 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #185: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/185/ 23:36 jenkins_koha nengard: Bug 8721: Fixes minor typo in AllowItemsOnHoldCheckout 23:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8721 minor, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Pushed to Stable , typo in AllowItemsOnHoldCheckout 23:38 jcamins_away mtj: yeah, YUI isn't loading. 23:38 jcamins_away I could swear I patched that, too. 23:41 jcamins_away Oh well. I'll repatch it. 23:45 * eythian uploads 3.6 and 3.8 packages 23:46 eythian mtompset: packages update with 17 minutes to spare :) 23:46 eythian *updated 23:47 mtompset Hmmm... I see it. 23:47 mtompset But the package is kept back? 23:47 eythian yes 23:48 eythian it has new dependencies, so won't upgrade as part of a normal upgrade 23:48 eythian you have to explicitly upgrade it, or do a dist-upgrade 23:48 eythian I will be emailing to that effect soon. 23:55 * mtompset begins to upgrade his Q/A area.