Time Nick Message 02:42 bwagman Would like to request US-MARC support for MARC records 02:43 bwagman Is there a basic html template that is available to use for the MAIN OPAC Block? Something that I can start with? 02:44 bwagman Hello? 02:44 wahanui Hello are u there? 02:44 bwagman I am here but your the first person other than me typing 02:46 bwagman Would like to request US-MARC support for MARC records 02:46 bwagman Is there a basic html template that is available to use for the MAIN OPAC Block? Something that I can start with? 02:47 bwagman When someone is ready to talk here is my email: brandonwagman@rainbowserenity.org 05:55 wajasu folks just did a new release today, and your best bet for help is monday/tuesday. 06:36 magnuse kia ora #koha! 06:36 * magnuse listens to the echo 06:43 mtj happy weekend magnuse 06:48 magnuse thanks the same mtj! 07:19 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @paulcnielsen: "@fentnz thanks mate found some #kohails friends - dining at korean bbq now #Lianza2012" 07:20 mtj oooh lianza2012 07:25 mtj rangi: i think i've 'improved' the 'Latest Koha contributors' stats, from ohloh -> http://dash1.kohaaloha.com/ 07:26 mtj they do seem a few days laggy :/ but automated :) 07:28 mtj 'Melia Meggs 2012-09-11' was the most recent committer, according to ohloh 07:31 mtj (the test db is many weeks old, so most stats are incorrect) 08:08 magnuse mtj: http://dash1.kohaaloha.com/ gives me server not found 08:08 magnuse http://dash.kohaaloha.com/ seems to work, though 09:07 magnuse oh normarc, how much do i hate thee? 09:22 magnuse kia ora mbalmer 09:22 mbalmer good morning! 09:24 magnuse would be even better if i didn't have to mess around with normarc xslt... 09:25 mbalmer marc is fun, imo ;) 09:25 magnuse good for you! :-) 09:27 mbalmer thank goodness I am not involved in anything marc related in koha but can do it for pure fun only... 09:30 magnuse yeah, count yourself lucky 09:46 magnuse kia ora cait! 09:46 cait hi magnuse :) 09:47 magnuse \o/ 10:08 mtompset Greetings, #koha. Indexing nightmare resolved. :) 10:10 drojf dear sir. i don't understand your mailing list, so you should use my webforum. kindly guide. 10:10 drojf good day #koha 10:11 cait good morning drojf 10:12 magnuse lol 10:12 magnuse and hiya mtompset and drojf 10:13 mtompset drojf: Someone did point out the web forum interfaces to the mailing list to that person. 10:13 drojf hi cait, magnuse and mtompset 10:13 mtompset Greetings, drojf cait magnuse 10:13 drojf mtompset: i'm sure someone did that before, i think it was here on irc 10:14 cait hi mtompset 10:15 mtompset The funny thing is... that information is at the bottom of http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ 10:15 mtompset I guess people don't like scrolling down. 10:28 magnuse hiya tcohen 10:28 tcohen hi magnuse 10:29 tcohen what an impressive list of bugfixes for 3.8.5 10:32 magnuse yeah, getting better every day! 10:44 mtompset Greetings, tcohen. 10:44 mtompset I was surprised that I had five bug fixes in 3.8.5 10:45 mtompset You work on tiny fixes, and you don't realize they accumulate. 10:45 magnuse hehe mtompset++ 10:46 mtompset Thanks, magnuse. 10:49 tcohen mtompset++ 10:52 mtompset I couldn't have done this without the support of my financial partners. A well run library means access for translators to current useful translation information which means someone gets life changing information made available in their language. 11:59 mtompset Anything new with anyone? Or is it just your typical weekend? 12:03 tcohen just waiting for my sunday's tennis match 12:15 mtompset watching or playing? 12:21 tcohen mtompset, playing 12:21 tcohen there's some latency in my side, sorry 12:21 tcohen having breakfast right now 12:21 mtompset Not a problem. 12:22 mtompset I'm toggling windows, so I don't respond quickly. 13:03 koyauni is there any instruction for upgrading Koha 3.8 to 3.8.5 on Debian 6+ please 13:04 mtompset Which kind of install did you do again, koyauni? 13:04 mtompset packages, right? 13:04 mtompset sudo apt-get install koha-common? 13:05 mtompset 3.8.5 packages haven't been released yet. 13:07 mtompset My guess is the upgrade is pretty simple: sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get upgrade, go to the administrative interface, click through the upgrade process (if any) there, and then do a full reindex. If there are problems, check out bug 6566. 13:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6566 enhancement, P3, ---, christophe.croullebois, Pushed to Master , Checking if DB records are properly indexed 13:18 koyauni I did common pack 13:18 koyauni then I have to wait if it has not been released yet 13:27 koyauni There is no upgrade process in Admin page 13:37 mtompset not admin page. the staff client. 13:38 mtompset if you log in to the staff client and there is an web installer page, then you need to do the full reindex, and if you have problems look at the bug I mentioned. 13:54 mtompset Greetings, wajasu. 14:26 * mtompset waves bye. 14:58 mveron Hi #koha 16:02 santy centos 16:52 drojf wow, there is even a link to the fork on that "koha community forum" :( 17:00 mtj ptfs-- 17:09 drojf how would i check out 3.8.5 in git? 17:10 mtj the same way you would get out 3.8.4 in git 17:10 mtj git reset --hard TAG 17:10 drojf i guess so… and how is that? :D i only ever checked out origin/master 17:10 drojf cool, thanks 17:11 mtj so... 17:11 mtj $ git fetch --tag 17:12 mtj $ git tag 17:12 mtj git reset --hard v3.08.05 17:15 mtj before the git reset, i usually make a 3.8.5 branch, then change to it, then reset TAG 17:15 drojf that's what i did now, thanks :) 17:15 drojf mtj++ 17:16 mtj then chery-pick patches from your master branch, of whatever you wanna do 17:18 mtj the trick is… a TAG is just another name for a specific commit, in git 17:18 mtj for me, understanding that made tags easy 17:19 drojf yeah that makes sense 17:19 drojf hm segmentation fault does not make sense 18:45 jcamins_away zeno++ 19:24 ExtraordinaryBen Hello, I'm trying to get the cron job setup to rebuild zebra's index (following the Koha on Ubuntu guide on the Wiki,) every 5 minutes. But anything I put in /etc/cron.d/koha doesn't seem to run.. (Even a simple echo command.) Any help would be appreciated. ;) 19:34 jcamins_away ExtraordinaryBen: if you used packages, the packages should handle that for you. If you used a tarball, I still recommend that you use your user's crontab. 19:35 ExtraordinaryBen Yeah, I used a tarball when I installed 19:36 ExtraordinaryBen I'm just trying to debug if it's actually running. 19:36 jcamins_away ExtraordinaryBen: I wouldn't be able to help you with /etc/cron.d. 19:36 jcamins_away I've been using Linux since my FreeBSD system died 6 years ago, and I have never had a use for /etc/cron.d. 19:37 ExtraordinaryBen Okay, I can give crontab a go. ;) 19:42 ExtraordinaryBen @jcamins: Okay, here's what I've got in crontab for testing: */1 * * * * /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -a -b -z && echo "Successful rebuild of Zebra Database!" 19:42 huginn ExtraordinaryBen: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 19:46 jcamins_away ExtraordinaryBen: once per minute is too frequently. 19:46 jcamins_away And you need to set KOHA_CONF and PERL5LIB in the crontab. 19:46 mtj ExtraordinaryBen, just use the packages... 19:46 jcamins_away There is an example.crontab somewhere. 19:47 jcamins_away And, yes, packages are superior in every way. 19:48 mtj having a problem configuring cron?, use the packages 19:48 ExtraordinaryBen Yeah, I was thinking a minute was too frequent. :P Alrighty, I will try to get to work on that. (Though I'd hate to start all over again. :P) 19:53 ExtraordinaryBen Okay, so, whats the best way to go about this in my situation then? I've already setup Koha using a tarball, and we've already begun adding books to the catalog, do I just install the package or is there some cleaning up of the instance I have now I should do first? 19:55 jcamins_away ExtraordinaryBen: easiest is probably just install the packages, create an instance, and then change the koha-conf.xml file for that instance to point to your current database.5D 19:56 ExtraordinaryBen Okay, thanks. ;) 20:02 ExtraordinaryBen Bah, packages aren't friendly when using powerpc hardware. :P W: Failed to fetch http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/dists/squeeze/InRelease Unable to find expected entry 'main/binary-powerpc/Packages' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file) E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead. 20:03 jcamins_away ExtraordinaryBen: oh, you're on PowerPC? 20:03 jcamins_away You should have mentioned that... I just knew you were using Ubuntu or Debian per our recommendation. :P 20:04 ExtraordinaryBen Yup, I hadn't considered that packages for Koha would be hardware specific. 20:04 jcamins_away They're not, but you need a different line in the source.list file. 20:04 jcamins_away raspberry pi? 20:04 wahanui Raspberry Pi embedded computers run Koha just fine. :) See http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_a_Raspberry_Pi 20:04 jcamins_away ^^ if you look for the apt line there, that'll tell you what to put in. 20:05 ExtraordinaryBen Awesome, is there anything Pi cannot do? :D 20:06 jcamins_away We only have an amd64 system for building packages, so other architectures aren't built automatically, despite the fact that nothing is compiled. 20:15 ExtraordinaryBen Okay, package installation is underway. :) 20:24 ExtraordinaryBen Okay, packages are done now. But I'm rather clueless where to go from here 20:33 ExtraordinaryBen Anyone? I've got a Koha system "down for system maintenance" now. How do I go about setting up this new instance of Koha with the packages now that my old tarball instance no longer works? 20:37 ExtraordinaryBen Grr.. this is why I was concerned about installing the packages. It's broken my tarball instance and the Wiki guide doesn't really explain how to do things under my circumstances. 20:40 ExtraordinaryBen This is so not cool leaving me hanging... 20:41 cait if it's in maintenance 20:41 cait normally logging into the staff interface will trigger a database update 20:42 cait or you have to switch the maintenance system preference 20:42 cait it's late in a lot of places of the world 20:42 cait and it's weekend 20:43 ExtraordinaryBen True, and thanks. 20:47 mtj do your setup on a different system, for starters - so you dont have that problem in the 1st place :( 20:49 ExtraordinaryBen mtj: I was following what jcamins recommended 20:51 jcamins_away ExtraordinaryBen: there is a reason my nick is *_away* 20:52 jcamins_away If you want guaranteed help on a Sunday, you may pay me. 20:52 jcamins_away Otherwise, I will try and help amongst and in between those other things I am doing. 20:53 ExtraordinaryBen fair enough 20:58 ExtraordinaryBen Okay, I've got access to the staff interface, it's doing the web installer. How do I go about setting it up to old config? 20:59 jcamins_away ExtraordinaryBen: open up /etc/koha/sites/whatever/koha-conf.xml and change it so that the database name, user, and password (at the end) match your old config. 20:59 jcamins_away No need to go through the whole web installer. 21:01 ExtraordinaryBen Okay. everything seems to be working. Sorry for getting all steamed up earlier. I tend to get frustrated when I can't figure things out on my own. 21:02 ExtraordinaryBen Hopefully using the packages will allow Zebra to build it's index automatically now? Or is there something I still need to do? 21:03 jcamins_away ExtraordinaryBen: three things. 21:04 jcamins_away 1) disable the cron jobs you set up manually 21:04 jcamins_away 2) open the staff client to go through the upgrade database process. 21:04 jcamins_away 3) reindex by running `koha-rebuild-zebra --full instancename` 21:04 jcamins_away Oh, one bonus thing: 21:05 jcamins_away Disable the old site file. 21:06 jcamins_away After doing a complete rebuild, the indexing will be done automatically. 21:07 ExtraordinaryBen Hmmm.. is koha-rebuild-zebra a script somewhere? it doesn't seem to work straight from the commandline 21:09 jcamins_away ExtraordinaryBen: it has to be run as root. It's suid. `sudo koha-rebuild-zebra --full instance` 21:13 ExtraordinaryBen I don't think I actually have an instancename setup, do I just do 'sudo koha-rebuild-zebra --full' then? 21:15 jcamins_away ExtraordinaryBen: what do you mean you dont' have an instancename setup? 21:15 jcamins_away You must have set up an instance. 21:16 jcamins_away It's whatever you called the instance. 21:16 jcamins_away (koha-create whatever) 21:16 ExtraordinaryBen What I mean is. I'm pretty sure the packages just installed where I installed the tarball. (/usr/share/koha) I suppose koha is my instance then 21:17 jcamins_away No, that's not how it works. 21:17 jcamins_away You must have run koha-create? 21:18 ExtraordinaryBen maybe with the tarball last month, but since I've installed the packages 21:18 jcamins_away If you didn't run koha-create, you're still using the tarball install. 21:18 jcamins_away koha-create is only for packages. 21:18 ExtraordinaryBen okay 21:18 jcamins_away So all that did was update some files. 21:18 jcamins_away packages? 21:18 wahanui packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 21:19 jcamins_away At some point you must have diverged from those directions. Could you tell me where? 21:20 ExtraordinaryBen I had been using the "Koha on Ubuntu" guide. So I was never using the Debian guide. (Which explains a lot now.) 21:22 jcamins_away Ah. 21:22 jcamins_away Yes, that would be a problem. 21:23 jcamins_away (I mean, not a "oh no, your system is screwed up forever" problem, just a "well, that's a nuisance" problem) 21:26 ExtraordinaryBen Okay, instance "library" created. how to I disable the old site file? 21:27 jcamins_away `sudo a2dissite oldfile` 21:28 jcamins_away Now you're going to open up /etc/koha/sites/library/koha-conf.xml and modify the database, username, and password at the end. 21:28 jcamins_away (alternatively, you can load the data into the koha_library database) 21:29 jcamins_away (I prefer the second option; for some unknown reason, everyone else always takes the first) 21:32 ExtraordinaryBen first one seems easier. Rather than copying databases. 21:34 ExtraordinaryBen Is there somewhere I need to add the zebra user and password? Or is that only for the Ubuntu guide? 21:36 jcamins_away You never need to set the Zebra user and password. 21:36 jcamins_away You can always just leave it as the default. 21:38 ExtraordinaryBen Okay, the old "koha" site is disabled. The new Library instance seems to be having some overlap issue 21:39 ExtraordinaryBen when restarting apache2 21:39 ExtraordinaryBen http://74.85.46.58/ 21:39 jcamins_away o.O 21:39 jcamins_away I have no idea how that happened. 21:40 ExtraordinaryBen * Restarting web server apache2 [Sun Sep 23 14:35:33 2012] [warn] _default_ VirtualHost overlap on port 80, the first has precedence ... waiting [Sun Sep 23 14:35:34 2012] [warn] _default_ VirtualHost overlap on port 80, the first has precedence 21:40 jcamins_away I have never seen anything like that before. 21:40 Waylon greetings all. .... Happy birthday Nate., anyway, ... damnit..... 21:40 jcamins_away Yeah, but the output probably isn't from that. 21:40 jcamins_away apache2ctl -S 21:41 jcamins_away Use paste.koha-community.org 21:42 ExtraordinaryBen Ah, there seems to be a site called "default" that's on port 80 21:42 Waylon oh right... anyone like the idea of user accounts able to be assigned to multiple branches, and they only able to search inside those branches? Or is that another feature that mandumah needs to keep to itself? 21:42 jcamins_away ExtraordinaryBen: try disabling that. 21:42 jcamins_away a2dissite default 21:42 ExtraordinaryBen yup that did the trick. :D 21:42 jcamins_away Waylon: uhhh... no idea. 21:43 jcamins_away ExtraordinaryBen: okay, *now* you do the koha-rebuild-zebra command. 21:43 jcamins_away And disable the cron jobs you set up. 21:44 ExtraordinaryBen Already removed the crontab for user koha, and deleted the /etc/cron.d/koha file 21:44 ExtraordinaryBen rebuild done 21:44 jcamins_away Okay, you're done now. :) 21:47 ExtraordinaryBen Phew, about time zebra starting working on its own. (I hope!) Do you have PayPal jcamins? I would like to send a couple dollars your way as a thank you. (snack or soda or whatever) 21:48 jcamins_away Glad I could help. :) 21:50 ExtraordinaryBen I'll be sure to refer to the "Debian" guide from now on. ;) (Learned something about apache site instances today too!) Again thanks all who helped me. ;) 21:51 Waylon jcamins_away, the concept is, for mandumah at least, we have so far, five seperate 'libraries', that users can search, depending on what they've paid for(mandumah.com is a subscription only digital library archive, 296k articles in pdf format, of 2019 journals/conference papers) so, instead of a user having one branch, they are given multiple branches, and are only able to search within those branches (even when no branch is selected 21:51 Waylon in searches, the branch limits are enforced. good amount of coding i did for that.) Would this have any merit being released, as a syspref option (multiple branches/exclusive searches to those branches, so maybe two sysprefs) 21:51 Waylon ? 21:52 ExtraordinaryBen Now I just need to work on the opacmainuserblock. :P Catch ya'll later! ;) 21:53 jcamins_away Waylon: I'd say you should definitely submit it, and see what other people think. 21:53 * jcamins_away is having trouble visualizing exactly how it would work. 21:53 Waylon its been working fine. 21:53 Waylon on koha 3.0 21:54 Waylon it basically does alot of branch: limiting. 21:54 Waylon it relies on items for each branch, being used. 21:55 Waylon since its pdf based, we don't have any physical items. but we create them in order to introduce the branch limits. 21:55 * Waylon thought of that one. 22:00 Waylon jcamins_away, okay, a for instance, say that there was two libraries, massey palmerston north, massey Auckland, and they had no automatic interloan system. So, normally, the libraries only want people to be able to search over one library, the one they are with. Except some people are able to search over both of them, such as staff. Provided they have both branches set in their account, their default "unlimited" search will search b 22:00 Waylon oth libraries. 22:01 Waylon you follow now? 22:07 jcamins_away Waylon: got it. That might well be of interest. 22:08 Waylon right. ill write it up in such a way as to be manageable. 22:09 Waylon and syspref is the good idea here? 22:10 jcamins_away Waylon: I think maybe what you want to do is use independantbranches (yes, spelled incorrectly). 22:10 Waylon as in, you don't want every install to support multiple branches, and don't want every install, limiting searches to the branches selected. 22:10 jcamins_away Then you just have to worry about making it so patrons can be multi-homed. 22:10 jcamins_away Oh, yes, definitely a syspref for the first one. 22:11 Waylon yeah.. thinking a BorrowerAttribute? 22:11 jcamins_away That would make sense to me. 22:11 Waylon multiple 'branchcode' attributes on one user account. 22:52 Waylon owen? 22:52 wahanui owen is a mystery, wrapped in an enigma, covered in awesome brilliance. 22:53 Waylon wahanui, owen is also a crazed branch-creating maniac 22:53 wahanui okay, Waylon. 22:53 Waylon owen? 22:53 wahanui owen is a mystery, wrapped in an enigma, covered in awesome brilliance. or a crazed branch-creating maniac 22:54 mtompset Greetings, #koha, Waylon. 22:54 Waylon hey mtompset 22:54 wahanui mtompset is working on the ultimate koha uninstall script for fun. Bug 459. Old school, baby! 22:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=459 enhancement, P4, ---, mtompset, In Discussion , No uninstall script 22:54 Waylon wow.. 22:54 Waylon chain reactions.. 22:56 mtompset I forgot about the chain reaction. 22:56 Waylon useful though. 22:56 Waylon It nags you. 22:56 Waylon how you going with the bug anyway? 22:57 mtompset progress, but got some feedback which means I'll need to change the approach a little. 23:02 Waylon how do i create a new syspref? 23:02 mtompset i think someone wiki paged that recently. 23:03 eythian it's been in the wiki forever. 23:03 mtompset http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/System_Preferences 23:03 mtompset Greetings, eythian. How goes the packaging? 23:03 eythian that's the page I was looking for 23:03 eythian I'm still getting set up at my new location, but it's going to be a today job. 23:04 mtompset What timezone are you in? 23:04 eythian NZST 23:05 jcamins_away eythian: welcome home 23:05 eythian cheers :) 23:05 mtompset home is a strange word, jcamins_away. 23:06 mtompset Having stayed in multiple countries and places, I think I like the "home is where the heart is" definition best. 23:07 jcamins_away mtompset: also, the word for home often has an extra case. 23:08 jcamins_away (locative or the like) 23:08 * Waylon has never been outside NZ. "Haven't been outside palmy in 10 years." 23:08 mtompset Waylon: some travel is good. Too much, and you'll start feeling nomadic. ;) 23:08 Waylon now living by myself, so now looking forward to any koha events coming up in wellington. 23:09 Waylon ah.... well.. one first of all has to be able to afford 'too much' travel. 23:09 eythian Waylon: there's been a number of smaller koha events here. 23:09 Waylon oooo? whats happening? 23:10 eythian just user group meetings and the like 23:10 Waylon ah? these are regular events? 23:11 eythian not yet. There's been a general one, and I think a special libraries one. 23:11 eythian Waylon: right now the rest of the koha team is in palmy 23:11 Waylon Wha?! 23:11 Waylon here?!? 23:11 wahanui here is where I work 23:11 Waylon where? 23:11 eythian http://www.lianza.org.nz/news-events/conferences/conference-2012-welcome 23:12 eythian Awapuni Function Centre 23:12 eythian they're manning a booth I think, you should go say hi. 23:12 Waylon Holy... 23:12 eythian rangi (Chris), kathryn (Kathryn), and anitsirk (Kristina) 23:13 Waylon question is, whats the best time to catch them? 23:13 eythian I guess there'll be someone around the whole time, but I don't really know. 23:14 Waylon i mean, conferences usually have talks etc.... and lunch breaks and .. yeah. 23:14 eythian I'm surprised rangi isn't online right now to slake his IRC addiction :) 23:14 eythian I think there'll be someone there the whole time, but they'll probably try to catch the interesting talks. 23:15 eythian Waylon: if you PM me a cell number, I can send it to Chris to get in touch with you if you like. 23:15 Waylon haha. don't have a cellphone # 23:15 Waylon don't have a phone number until the 26th, when xnet installs my naked adsl. 23:15 eythian ah right 23:16 eythian in that case, you could email him. He'll probably check it some time. 23:19 mtompset Greetings, tcohen. 23:22 Waylon hehe... Catalyst IT, Booth 00. 23:22 Waylon Licensed to thrill? 23:22 eythian heh 23:24 Waylon 12.30pm 23:24 Waylon Lunch among the Exhibitors -- means that the exhibitors will be absent, or that everyone will be there? 23:26 eythian I have no idea. 23:26 eythian I haven't seen these people for 3.5 months, I'm not the best person to ask :) 23:26 eythian I suspect that it means that everyone will be there though 23:27 * Waylon has never actually met a koha developer, personally. 23:27 eythian I've met a bunch. 23:27 Waylon haven't i bugged them enough already, on IRC? 23:27 Waylon hmm. 23:27 eythian but, I've been to three kohacons. 23:28 Waylon got money, will travel eh? 23:28 eythian got a company willing to sponsor it, anyway :) 23:28 eythian although the first one I went to was in wellington, so a short trip. 23:29 Waylon haha. yup. What do you/your company get out of it? 23:30 eythian marketing, developer networking, things like that. 23:31 Waylon hmm... would that be as vaulable to a all digital library such as mandumah? 23:31 eythian I have no idea 23:32 eythian although talking to people about things in person is often beneficial 23:32 Waylon we basically only use a subset of what koha is capable of... but that subset, koha does amazingly. 23:32 Waylon suppose i could go... hmm... got an hour to get there.. 23:33 ibeardslee I'd suggest that if you are using it as an all digital library, getting to a kohacon to talk to people and tell them about your experiences would be a very good thing. 23:33 eythian that's true 23:33 Waylon in hottest part of the day, walking. 23:33 eythian that is often an area that people have questions about 23:33 eythian Waylon: get a bike 23:33 Waylon haha. yeah. something im definately getting once this porting project is done. 23:35 Waylon my maximum allowed injection of funds without benefit deduction (I still can't work 40 hour weeks, i find it really difficult to concerntrate sometimes .. that and i have Aspergers syndrome) in one go. ($5k nzd) 23:36 eythian ah right 23:36 eythian get a cheap bike! ;) 23:38 Waylon yeah. im broke atm. 23:38 eythian steal a bike! ;) 23:38 Waylon suppose i could take a bus, but only got 55 mins now... and im hoping that chris isn't going to one of those 1pm meetings. 23:40 Waylon google earth on android :) 23:43 Waylon ... is too slow 23:45 eythian maps is a lot better for that sort of thing 23:45 eythian earth is very slow because it's pulling lots of images 23:45 eythian also hard on your data 23:46 eythian (well, depends what "that sort of thing" is really) 23:52 Waylon yah. just figured that out. got the route worked out in head... racecourse road 23:59 Waylon ah well.. im going to be late, but eh, can always go again tomorrow. 23:59 Waylon_AFK back soon.