Time Nick Message 00:00 rangi non english speakers aren't second class citizens 00:00 rangi but the rest, yep that could go separate 00:01 wajasu i'm getting worn out checking the breadth of the bug. i just want to be able to test just the new stuff as a second bug. 00:04 rangi a second patch maybe 00:04 rangi thats fine 00:04 rangi but not a new bug 00:05 wajasu he keeps squashing them together. 00:05 rangi i think that kyle already has fixed the translation stuff 00:05 rangi well talk to him then :) 00:05 rangi there is no way that it should be pushed without working for more than english 00:05 wajasu i agree. 00:06 rangi i personally hate squashing patches 00:06 rangi after they have been attached to a bug 00:06 rangi i much prefer a follow up 00:07 rangi but others seem to like squashing 00:07 wajasu i'm leaving it alone. someone else needs to get familiar with it. i think he is trying to help QA to have less to apply. i know if he didn't squash, there would be 8-10 patches. 00:08 rangi yep 00:08 rangi and often that is a lot easier to QA 00:08 rangi big monolithic patches suck 00:08 * rangi spent 3 months breaking huge patches into smaller ones to actually get them testable 00:09 wajasu he probably should have tested more thoroughly before, and not used a signer to do that work. he did get burned by the switch from YUI js and converted, so its been a long road for him. 00:11 rangi *nod* 00:11 wajasu i totally agree that if koha is going to make it in the long run, its got to get more tests. and folks need to run them. 00:12 rangi you mean continue to make it :) 00:13 rangi 12 years isnt short for software 00:13 rangi but yes more tests are always good 00:13 wajasu yes. its rare. but its the community. 00:13 rangi hmm? 00:14 rangi not sure i understand what you mean 00:14 wajasu the community supporting it is what makes it survive/valuable. 00:14 rangi thats what makes any free software project 00:14 rangi thats not unique 00:15 wajasu its the need/market then. 00:15 rangi what exactly is your point? Im failing to see 00:18 wajasu i was thinking about the rss and smsoverdues modules. should they be fixed? or fall to the wayside unitl someone else has a need? 00:19 rangi the rss isn't done that old way, the current rss feeds work fine, so it can probably be gotten rid of, we don't need cron jobs to generate static rss etc anyway 00:20 rangi sms, id leave until someone has money/desire to do them 00:21 rangi my rule for my free time, is work on stuff i enjoy, ill work on boring stuff if people pay me 00:21 rangi its a good rule and has worked well for the last 16 years 00:22 wajasu same here. plenty to do that i enjoy. 00:26 wajasu i thought i would put a dent in the 80+ bugs needing signoff in August, but new ones keep appearing. i wonder howmany of the current 103 will make it to 3.10? 00:26 wajasu 103 signedoff 00:27 rangi hmm? 00:27 rangi theres only 71 needing signoff 00:27 rangi im more focused on the 19 passed QA 00:27 rangi then any out of the 103 that are bug fixes 00:27 rangi thats what I would look at if was RM 00:28 rangi but im not thankfully 00:28 rangi 5 times is enough 00:28 rangi 5 sign off for september from you 00:28 rangi and 5 in august 00:28 rangi so you can break your record still have 18 days to go :) 00:29 rangi http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2012/09/01/signoffs-for-august-2012/ 00:30 wajasu math is fun. how about how many times one tested and failedQA. i'm up there. 00:31 rangi 2 secs ill tell ya 00:32 rangi 4 for august 00:33 rangi 3 for september 00:33 rangi joubu wins that 00:33 rangi 14 for august 00:37 wajasu you know when i was testing search and fuzzy, i wondered why when i search for 1000 ways 00:37 wajasu it didn't find things unless i put "1,000 ways" 00:37 wajasu the comman in a number might be something to strip for an index. 01:33 plattcollege hello, any idea how I can start troubleshooting this issue: I am trying to upload a .mrc file that I exported from koha. After selecting the file for upload, I click upload it reloads the page without staging anything 01:35 rangi what version of koha? 01:38 plattcollege 3.8 01:38 rangi 3.8. what? 3.8.0 ? 01:38 rangi if you look at the about page it will tell you the version number 01:38 plattcollege 3.8.4 01:38 plattcollege I think 01:38 plattcollege the system is not in front of me 01:39 rangi id look at the apache logs 01:39 plattcollege it behaves as if it will begin the upload saying uploading zero percent then reloads the page 01:39 plattcollege ic 01:41 plattcollege I did a patron upload and it staged ok but... this shows no errors just a reload 01:42 plattcollege thx 01:42 rangi i havent seen it happen but i'd check the apache logs, also check the staged marc page 01:42 rangi in case it did stage in the background 01:43 plattcollege yeah, I checked stage; it is clear 01:43 plattcollege thanks for the help 01:43 bag hmmm fly by 01:43 rangi mibbit 01:43 rangi usually are 01:43 bag weird I would like to hear if they figured it out 01:44 rangi well he wasnt actually at his system 01:44 * bag googles plattcollege 01:45 bag especially if they are on at this time of night (must be close to me :) ) 01:45 bag I can use more dev's close to me 01:45 bag I want to have a regional hackfest day 01:49 rangi good idea 01:54 jcamins_away Surprisingly few devs out on that coast. 02:26 jcamins_away eythian++ # for thinking "hey, I bet people will want to add more source functions for converting CSVs to MARC" 02:43 jcamins_away rangi: I think you'll appreciate this article that just came across my RSS reader: Eclipse editor plugin for MARC. It just feels *right*, somehow, doesn't it? 02:45 rangi heh 02:45 rangi lets pour some bloat on our bloat, and add a side of java 02:47 jcamins_away Yes please! 02:47 jcamins_away :D 02:47 rangi have you played with book psychic jcamins_away ? 02:47 jcamins_away I have not, though I saw the announcement. 02:47 rangi once HLT have finished their move into their new building i might test it with them 02:47 rangi they have LTFL 02:48 jcamins_away :) 03:04 * wajasu just messed with cpanfile and carton to install Plack and starman. sweeeet! 03:25 mtompset Nice. :) 03:28 wajasu just di a hello world! 03:29 mtompset Always a good first program. :) 03:31 wajasu os i guess we would be checking out performance of mod_perl, and such. maybe add interceptors for security, etc. 03:32 mtompset Or asking, just in case someone has already evaluated that possibility. -- I haven't. :) 03:35 wajasu i see folks already are working Plack on the site. I was just wondering we could get some url mapping and security framework in place, as all the permissions checking could be tested, etc. 03:37 mtompset Oooo... you said the word "test". Careful, people might love you. ;) 03:45 mtompset Does anyone know if the locale of one's OS affects the pre-web install building/installing of Koha? 03:49 wajasu its possible if the perl interpreter falls back to some OS locale for encoding or such. but it may not be an issue if the installer has sufficient unicode/utf8 usage. not really sure. 03:49 mtompset Okay... I'll move that step earlier then. ;) 03:58 wajasu i'm going to paste my debian preseed script that i use to build VM from nothing. it has alot of install stuff in it, and might be helpfull. 04:07 mtompset Sure, it will help me make sure my instructions are generalized enough. :) 04:07 mtompset oleonard++ # thanks for the time and patience with bug 8339. 04:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8339 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Signed Off , div id="login" should be id="login_controls" in header.inc 04:16 Amit_Gupta heya chris 04:34 pastebot "wajasu" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "koha VM scripts/fragments showing how to build debian squeeze VM with libvirt and shell script." (716 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/169 04:35 wajasu not that anyone would be interested in it. 04:40 mib_0ralv0 hey guys 04:40 mib_0ralv0 i need some real help 04:40 mib_0ralv0 here 04:40 wajasu ask 04:41 mib_0ralv0 i mistakenly updated koha from the repos after i had initially installed from source 04:41 mib_0ralv0 then for some reasons my items show showing in search 04:42 cait morning :) 04:42 mib_0ralv0 panic, uninstall then installed from source 04:42 mib_0ralv0 morning cait 04:42 wajasu hey cait. 04:42 mib_0ralv0 but im still not seeing any items in the opac 04:43 mib_0ralv0 how can i get these back? 04:43 mtompset which OS, which source, what instructions did you follow? 04:44 mtompset wajasu: I was noticing your my.cnf tweaks. I saw someone else using something similar. Is that the recommended way?\ 04:44 mib_0ralv0 on ubuntu 12.04 04:45 mib_0ralv0 i had my sources.list populated with the repos before 04:45 wajasu mtompset: i scoured those from multiple wiki and INSTALLS. that works well for me. i was debugging UTF8 label printing so i wanted to be sure. rangi might suggest the default for mysql is utf8 these days. 04:45 mib_0ralv0 i just did a aptitude install koha-common 04:46 mtompset no, what I'm saying is the [client] and [mysql] tweaks were not in the default instructions that I was following. 04:46 mib_0ralv0 i've since reverted but now i just need to figure how to get back my biblios 04:47 mtompset You probably need to re-setup your zebra indexing all over again. 04:47 wajasu mtompset: when those utf setting are correct for the mysql client, then when i select from the mysql command line, i see the utf8 chars correctly, otherwsie black diamonds. i needed it to debug NFC utf for overdue_notice. 04:47 mib_0ralv0 tried these but second command return some erors misc/maintenance/remove_items_from_biblioitems.pl --run misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -r 04:47 mtompset what version of koha are you running? 04:47 mib_0ralv0 latest 04:47 mtompset why did you run those commands?! 04:48 mtompset particularly the first one. 04:49 mtompset "Koha 3.4.x or later no longer stores items in biblio records. If you are upgrading from a version older than Koha 3.4.x, run the following two commands which can take a long time (several hours) to complete for large databases:" 04:49 mib_0ralv0 i started following the upgrade instructions 04:50 mtompset I just quoted from the upgrade instructions. 04:50 mtompset You said you are running the latest from source. 04:51 mib_0ralv0 i now have a table in my db called import records that seem a little large compare to the others 04:51 mtompset Sorry, as I am not familiar with the results of that script on newer systems, I can't help you. 04:52 mtompset And thank you.. that reminds me of another tweak that I need to make to the instructions. 04:52 mib_0ralv0 ok 04:53 wajasu is your db a test copy. you might restore the db from a backup and rerun the webinstaller, etc. just to be sure. 04:55 wajasu mtompset: one thing i did 3 years ago with the instructions, was try to run the tests. i also installed it on archlinux. it took hours. (not many perl modules available in those days) 04:55 mib_0ralv0 how can i force the web installer to run again? 04:56 mtompset <browser> http://127.0.1.1:8080/ (that's the default URL) 04:56 wajasu if you create a new db and load your database, it will create the tables etc. 04:56 mtompset wajasu: mib_0ralv0 already has his tables. 04:57 mtompset Sorry... I've got to get back to editing. 04:58 mib_0ralv0 could yall say which tables now stores the items? 04:58 rangi items 04:58 * rangi leaves to catch his bus 05:00 mib_0ralv0 which table has the logs *audit log kinda thingy 05:01 mib_0ralv0 just want to see the last record added/deleted and verify it in items 05:03 wajasu in mysql you can do: "show tables;" then "describe <tablename>" you could do "select count(*) from items;" look at the count and use that to select * from items where id=<count>" 05:03 bag the record number is incremental - so max(biblionumber) will show it to you 05:03 mtompset max(biblionumber) is a better method. 05:03 wajasu yup 05:04 mib_0ralv0 my item reporting over 3700 which i dig is round about correct 05:04 bag there you go :) 05:04 mib_0ralv0 but im not sure why they refuse to show up 05:04 mib_0ralv0 i've just restarted the server hopng it change something since it hadnt restart before 05:05 bag zebraserver? 05:05 mib_0ralv0 no the physical server 05:05 wajasu when you do rebuild-aebra use -v and you might get feedback to see total exported for the index. also be shure to have the KOHA_CONF and PERL5LIB correct when you run zebrasrv 05:05 bag sorry I meant is zebraserver running? 05:06 mib_0ralv0 yes i had made sure to start it 05:06 bag yup also what wajasu is saying :) 05:07 mib_0ralv0 im gonna try the rebuild again as soon as things get back up 05:07 mib_0ralv0 those servers take mighty long time to go through post and scsi crop 05:07 bag also ps -ef | grep zebra - so you definitely know zebra is running 05:11 mib_0ralv0 seem the restart fixed it 05:11 wajasu great! 05:12 mtompset and the rebuild_zebra needs to be run as 'koha', otherwise you run into permissions hell. 05:12 mib_0ralv0 thanks yall, is there anyway to see the full catalogue from the staff interface 05:12 mtompset (since you probably have a 'koha' user) 05:12 mib_0ralv0 i think i had done a crontab for that 05:13 wajasu mtompset: is there anything int he Install about those permissions for (/var/... etc) ? 05:14 mtompset Thanks for the suggestion. I'll look at that. 05:15 mtj so, when running koha from the packages… use koha-rebuild-zebra 05:15 mtj *dont* use rebuild_zebra.pl script 05:16 mtompset I'm running through the document right now trying to get a consistent order for all three methods of installation. 05:16 mib_0ralv0 in items im seeing duplications in `biblionumber' should this be? 05:16 mtompset mtj, mib_0ralv0 uninstalled the packages. 05:17 mib_0ralv0 itemnuber seem not to have duplicates though 05:18 cait biblionumber is ok in items - one record can have more than one item 05:19 mtompset mib_0ralv0: You really shouldn't be tinkering with the internals of MySQL for Koha if you aren't sure what you are doing. 05:22 mib_0ralv0 not making changes just verifying data 05:22 mtompset verify data through the user interface. 05:22 mib_0ralv0 last time we lost over 600 records 05:22 mtompset That's most likely a zebra indexing problem. 05:22 mib_0ralv0 the power kept going without notice 05:23 mtompset Okay... perhaps a DB corruption problem. :) 05:23 mib_0ralv0 we would search and it is listed but when selected we get 404 error 05:23 mib_0ralv0 yes i think it was db corruption 05:23 mib_0ralv0 so i'm just making sure that all is intact 05:24 mtompset installing and uninstalling packages over a source install will not affect your data. 05:24 mib_0ralv0 cant take no blame this time around ;) 05:25 mib_0ralv0 actually its another power failure that caused me to have to do upgrade...had startup issues so i fixed them and got started upgrading what i could during the down time 05:26 mib_0ralv0 only to findout that things broke when i was told no items were being shown 05:27 cait it's most likely an indexing problem 05:27 mib_0ralv0 they sorting out the power so hopefully wont be anymore such issues 05:27 mib_0ralv0 it sure was cait 05:28 mib_0ralv0 i recall sometime last year browsing the koha db and seeing a tble that list the changes sort of like an audit log 05:28 mib_0ralv0 not sure if it was the session table 05:31 mib_0ralv0 it listed what record was added/deleted and by which user, but the current session table doesnt have it listed that way neither can i find that table 05:32 mib_0ralv0 it even had the transaction date, can anyone point me to which table now has that log? 05:32 cait action_logs or statistics log 05:34 cait but I am not sure that will help you with your problem 05:35 * mtompset points at cait, "Expert," and grins. 05:36 mib_0ralv0 ok 05:37 fredericd morning 05:38 mtompset Bonjour, fredericd. :) 05:38 mib_0ralv0 ok thx cait 05:39 cait hi fredericd 05:42 Amit_Gupta heya cait 05:42 cait mib_0ralv0: I probably shouldn't ask this while eating breakfast, but what is the problem? 05:42 cait hi Amit_Gupta 05:42 mib_0ralv0 just saying thanks 05:43 mib_0ralv0 lol 05:43 mtompset cait, he installed packages "aptitude install koha-common" on top of a tarball install. 05:43 mib_0ralv0 actionlog was of help...got an idea of last addition 05:43 mtompset he then removed the packages, and was trying to make sure all the other configuration pieces are working still. 05:43 mib_0ralv0 and requested it from opac with results 05:44 cait oh 05:44 mtompset an installation mess for sure. :) 05:44 mib_0ralv0 yes it was 05:45 mib_0ralv0 need to put a huge dont do somewhere in instructions 05:46 mtompset Though, really... if you have the chance. I'd recommend converting from a tarball install to a packages install. It isn't too hard. Just you don't really want to do it on the same machine. 05:46 mtompset Then once that test environment is up and running, do it for production. 05:46 mib_0ralv0 btw love the new staff interface wish the opac could get a similar upgrade 05:47 mtompset given the ways the OPAC can be tweaked using the syspreferences, it doesn't need much of an upgrade. 05:47 mib_0ralv0 maybe an upgrade that works a bit like igoogle 05:48 mib_0ralv0 true mtompset but the default install for novice has lost some appeal...at least the shine not so much there 05:49 mib_0ralv0 im thinking something that we could drag an drop some basic stuffs and then lock that display for the users 05:49 mtompset Yes, but isn't that your job? ;) 05:50 mtompset (Making the OPAC shiny, keeping koha running, etc.) 05:51 mib_0ralv0 ;) hehe 05:51 cait there is a new mobile theme that will probably be in the next version 05:51 bag heya cait 05:52 cait morning bag 05:52 bag evening from yesterday to you :) 05:52 cait owen's blog? 05:52 wahanui owen's blog is http://www.myacpl.org/koha/ 05:52 cait bag: oh, you live in the past? 05:52 bag yup I'm in the past present 05:53 mib_0ralv0 keeping it running yes but the shiny part not so much so...they were to have some team with web experience do wrk on it but its not working out it seem...once i heard someone saying the yahoo thingy too restrictive 05:53 mib_0ralv0 yes i used to view owen stuffs 05:55 bag heya cait I got an easy one for you to sign off - I think -bug 7143 (I helped melia write it today) would be great to get it signed-off so I can tell her in the morning :) 05:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Bug for tracking changes to the about page 05:55 cait bag: can't do it now -have to finish the online exam for my distance study course this morning 05:55 cait even going into work later 05:55 bag heh :) 05:56 bag well good luck - it's simple so maybe someone else will grab it before she shows to work :) 05:56 mib_0ralv0 study well cait hope you get some nice topic that you can ace 05:57 cait thx mib_0ralv0 05:57 cait bag: it will take around 90 mins, maybe can squeeze it in 05:57 bag no worries - do well on the exam 05:58 mib_0ralv0 owen has a nice setup but im just not able to find the time to delve into the code stuffs 06:01 cait mib_0ralv0: the presentation from eythian was nice too on the topic, showing off some pretty nice opacs 06:01 cait http://swop.bsz-bw.de/frontdoor.php?source_opus=1029&la=en 06:06 mtompset Hmmm.... does someone have a sample color stylesheet? 06:21 mib_0ralv0 now downlding will check it out 06:25 mib_0ralv0 is there anyway of migrating winisys to koha? 06:27 mtompset I've never heard of winisys, so I can't help. 06:29 mib_0ralv0 winisis 06:30 alex_a bonjour 06:30 mib_0ralv0 http://contribs.koha.org/revision_view.php?rid=10 06:30 mtompset Still never heard of it, sorry. 06:31 mtompset That's not our website. 06:31 mtompset That's LibLime's website. 06:31 mtompset www.koha-community.org is ours. 06:32 mib_0ralv0 sorry knew it was a evil paste 06:32 mib_0ralv0 lol 06:33 mtompset It's not evil. Just trying to make sure you understand there is a difference. 06:33 mib_0ralv0 but here i'll make amends 06:33 mib_0ralv0 1. Develop your bibliographic data in winisis by following a standrad data format (CCF or MARC 21). If u r following MARC 21, possibly ISISMARC (available freely) is a better option. 2. After data entry work, export the databse as iso file. You can do it through winisis also, even if u r using isismarc. Go to file menu, select export. the file will be saved 06:34 mtompset If you can export MARC 21 format files, you can stage imports into Koha. 06:34 mib_0ralv0 in work folder under c:\winisis. 3. Download MarcEdit, another free MARC editor availavle freely. 4. Open MARC tool, select CDS/ISIS conversion, Give file name. The iso file will be converted into MARC 21 format and will be saved as .mrc. 06:35 mbalmer dou want to read us the winisys manual here? 06:35 mib_0ralv0 5. Open Koha and import this file. It will go to biblio basket. 6. From the cataloguing interface, you can bring each record into ur MARC editor of Koha. 7. In case of bulk import, use the file under misc folder under koha 06:35 mtompset No thank you. 06:35 mib_0ralv0 no i just got those from a link 06:35 mib_0ralv0 postted just incase i have to search again for it 06:35 mib_0ralv0 it will be in the irc logs 06:35 mib_0ralv0 ;) 06:36 mbalmer good idea. I shall do the same with the local news from the local newspaper….. 06:36 mib_0ralv0 hehe 06:37 mtompset mbalmer++ # love the sarcastic wit. 06:40 mtompset Rather than flood the channel with cut and paste from a link, wouldn't it make more sense to just share the link? A lot less spammy. 06:42 rangi He/she did share the link 06:43 rangi Someone commented it's liblime site, ... 06:44 reiveune hello 06:44 rangi Picking on newbies may be fun, but it's not cool 06:44 mbalmer salut marseille! 06:50 mtompset The link doesn't directly go to that text. 06:51 mtompset Wasn't trying to pick on newbies. 06:51 mbalmer teaching trolls != picking on newbies 06:52 mtompset true enough, he admitted to knowing the difference between koha.org and koha-community.org. 06:53 mtompset But we should aim to be polite to everyone, even trolls (malicious or otherwise). 06:53 mbalmer we have been polite 06:54 mtompset How sarcastic wit is perceived is different to everyone. I know you didn't mean to be mean, but a third party may not have. 06:55 mtompset Anyways... back to edit'ing... I'm almost happy with my wall of text which will soon come tumbling down into well organized pieces. 06:55 mtompset (and hiding the tarball instructions in some distant corner) 07:03 mtompset Greetings, eythian. 07:03 eythian morning 07:05 bag heya eythian 07:05 wahanui eythian is in NZ. ;) or a good influence 07:06 eythian hi there 07:06 eythian wahanui: eythian is not in NZ right now 07:06 wahanui ...but eythian is in NZ. ;) or a good influence... 07:10 mtompset wahanui: eythian knows where eythian is. Listen to eythian. 07:10 wahanui wish i knew, mtompset 07:10 mtompset Silly bot. 07:12 mtompset eythian? 07:12 wahanui hmmm... eythian is in NZ. ;) or a good influence 07:13 mtompset no, wahanui. 07:13 bag mtj? 07:13 wahanui DeM KraZy NutZ!! 07:14 bag knows that! 07:16 mtompset eythian? 07:16 wahanui eythian is a good influence or located somewhere. 07:34 mtompset This is when I wish I had my dream computer, so I could test more things in parallel. 07:35 rangi hi UBPL 07:35 UBPL hi Rangi. 07:39 UBPL how can I give permission to cataloger for item's current location ? Cataloger would like to add items for other branch library ? 07:40 mtompset Out of curiousity, which version of koha are you using? 07:41 UBPL koha 3.8.2 07:41 mtompset (not directly related to your question) 07:41 rangi edit_items should do it 07:41 mtompset As long as they have a library set, correct? 07:42 rangi shouldnt need one 07:42 mtompset oh, for OTHER branch library. 07:42 rangi you pick the home location in the items screen 07:42 UBPL could not see other libraries from list for each section of current and permanent location ? 07:42 rangi do you have independent branches on? 07:42 UBPL yes OTHER branch library 07:43 rangi you will need to switch that off 07:43 UBPL how ? 07:43 rangi in systempreferences 07:43 UBPL next 07:44 UBPL what is next ? 07:44 rangi admin 07:44 rangi then switch IndependantBranches 07:44 rangi to don't prevent 07:44 rangi if you still want branches to work independently but allow the user to edit 07:45 rangi you can make that user a superlibrarian instead 07:45 rangi so 2 ways of doing it, depending on what you want 07:45 UBPL thanks. i trying to find it 07:45 rangi where are you from? 07:46 rangi Something Something Public Library ? 07:46 UBPL Ulaanbaatar Public Library, Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia. 07:46 UBPL do you remember, my former name is Cybermon for here. 07:46 cait wb :) 07:47 rangi ah now i remember :) 07:47 rangi good to have you back 07:47 rangi i still want to visit your library one day 07:57 mtompset Hmmm... quick question... does a git installation require "sudo make install"? or will a "make install" suffice? 07:58 rangi make install will suffice 07:58 rangi as long as you chose a path you have rights to 07:58 mtompset which the default is ~/koha-dev. 07:58 rangi yep 07:59 UBPL1 hi again 07:59 UBPL1 sorry my browser was down. 07:59 UBPL1 it works by administration section 08:01 rangi yep, you could also try turning that back to prevent, and make the user a superlibrarian and see if that works too 08:06 UBPL1 i tried to give superlibrarian for cataloger. but it was not worked. that is why I used Administation section. 08:06 UBPL1 May I missing for superlibrarian - permission 08:06 mtompset If there are multiple people with edit-item permissions, wouldn't it make more sense to do the super librarian method, so as to prevent multiple people from potentially affecting multiple locations? 08:07 rangi mtompset: only if it worked, and it sounds like it didnt 08:08 * mtompset nods, "I can accept that. :)" 08:10 UBPL1 can i make one person to make multiple loations for items 08:10 rangi yes, if you have turned independentbranches off, anyone with edit_items permissions can do that 08:12 UBPL1 i see 08:12 UBPL1 independentbranches on, can anyone with edit_items permissions ? 08:13 mtompset No. 08:13 mtompset They get locked into their branch. 08:13 UBPL1 independentbranches on, only superlibrarian can be to edit_items permission ? 08:14 rangi yes 08:14 UBPL1 i see. I will try it later 08:14 mtompset That's why rangi said there were two ways of doing it. 08:15 UBPL1 thanks MTOMPSET. 08:15 mtompset That's why I asked about limiting who can edit items to just the new person. 08:15 mtompset You're most welcome. 08:18 bag alright night night :) 08:18 eythian http://lesswrong.com/lw/c1/wellkept_gardens_die_by_pacifism/ <-- interesting read 08:19 UBPL1 what is command multi opac interface for koha ? 08:21 mtompset night, night, bag. ;) 08:21 UBPL1 thanks again. it works. i used help from wiki-koha 08:23 UBPL1 hey guys. one more question. please... 08:25 mtompset eythian: Yes, interesting read. 08:26 UBPL1 i have two language for OPAC and STAFF interface. ( Looks like: Language : English : mon ) 08:27 UBPL1 How can i change mon to mongolian word ? 08:31 mtompset Sounds like a po file question, which I can't answer. :( 08:31 rangi its actually the languages table in the db 08:32 UBPL1 i think it will be change 08:35 mtompset I'm looking at 3.6.3, so the tables might be different. Do you mean language_descriptions? 08:35 rangi yep 08:37 mtompset So lang='en' means I have English selected and subtag='en' means I'm displaying English as the language, right? 08:38 mtompset Which explains lang='fr' and subtab='en' has a description of Anglais. It's French for English. 08:43 mtompset rangi: I was wondering about the my.cnf modifications that you and someone else were discussing the other day. They had "default-character-set=utf8" in the client and mysql sections. Does that force the clients to behave as utf-8? 08:44 rangi not me, i dont have any of those 08:48 mtompset oh? could you tell me then if http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Ubuntu#MySQL is way off then? 08:49 eythian mtompset: it is missing the innodb 08:49 eythian err 08:49 eythian innodb thing 08:49 rangi file per table 08:50 eythian innodb_file_per_table 08:50 eythian yeah that 08:50 wahanui yeah that is fine as it is 08:50 UBPL1 any help for my question. 08:50 mtompset okay... What innodb thing? 08:51 eythian http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Tuning_Guide 08:51 mtompset UBPL, UBPL1: if you can browse language_descriptions you can change the description from 'Mon' to the Mongolian. 08:51 eythian (though, I hate it when people just dump a config in with no explanation) 08:52 mtompset That's why I link to manuals in that section. 08:54 mtompset My commentary about, UBPL, UBPL1, was intended as an indirect answer and explanation. Sorry for being unclear. 08:55 mtompset Oops.. commentary above. 08:55 mtompset Package installs do the inno db stuff, right? 09:02 mtompset what is the advantage of innodb_file_per_table? 09:04 UBPL1 yes 'Mon' to the Mongolian. 09:04 eythian mtompset: no they don't 09:05 eythian mtompset: if you don't have that, your database will never get smaller on disk 09:05 mtompset Oh. 09:05 mtompset So if I grow the DB to 1TB, and then delete all records. 09:06 mtompset It will still be 1TB? 09:08 mtompset UBPL1, I don't have Mongolian installed, so I don't know the lang and subtag values it is. 09:08 mtompset Otherwise, I would tell you the MySQL UPDATE statement expressly. 09:10 UBPL1 please... 09:10 UBPL1 you can see web from http://koha.pl.ub.gov.mn 09:10 UBPL1 if you write help, i will try it 09:13 mtompset Do you know how to start MySQL? 09:13 mtompset mysql -u <user> -p 09:14 mtompset Did you install from packages? 09:14 UBPL1 okay 09:14 mtompset Sorry... I can't... There's too much room for messing up. 09:16 mtompset It's the end of my day, and I'm exhausted. 09:17 UBPL1 okay, can you send guide via email to me. 09:17 mtompset No, sorry. 09:17 rajes hi! I'm still in the learning curve. Kindly please assist me. 09:18 UBPL1 no problem 09:18 UBPL1 thanks. 09:20 rajes the system shows ( Software error: Tag "0" is not a valid tag. at/backup/vhost/homelibrary/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 2265 ) pls guide how to solve this. tq 09:26 rajes hi there anyone can assist 10:13 mtompset_away Anyone familiar with the use of rebuild_zebra_sliced? 11:18 jcamins_away @later tell kf Could you please rebase 8523 against master? Your squashed patch won't apply for me. 11:18 huginn jcamins_away: The operation succeeded. 11:29 jcamins_away @later tell kf Never mind. Spoke too soon. I was in the wrong repo. 11:29 huginn jcamins_away: The operation succeeded. 11:39 jcamins paul_p: I just noticed a typo in the update for 3.09.00.031. It has extra quote marks. Do you want a patch? 11:39 paul_p hi #koha 11:39 jcamins Also, good morning. :) 11:39 * paul_p investigating bug 8089 ... 11:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8089 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , Use Koha::Cache everywhere 11:40 paul_p (morning ended here ;-) ) 11:40 jcamins Yeah, the error you got doesn't relate to that patch. 11:40 paul_p jcamins = could you try to modify a patron (withou bug 8089 applied). Does it work for you ? 11:40 paul_p joubu just tested, and he has the problem 11:40 paul_p I have it 11:40 paul_p probably a new BLO :-\ 11:40 jcamins No, of course it doesn't work. That's what the patch is for. 11:40 jcamins There is a signed off patch which fixes this problem. 11:40 paul_p jcamins = which patch ? 11:41 jcamins The follow-up on bug 8089. 11:41 kf hi #koha 11:41 kf jcamins: so all ok now? 11:41 jcamins kf: yes. 11:42 paul_p jcamins = well, i've applied the patch/follow-up, and it still does not work for me 11:42 jcamins paul_p: hm. With the follow-up it works for me. 11:42 jcamins You could simply revert 8089. It's not a terribly important patch, and dpavlin is planning to do a much more comprehensive job of it. 11:44 paul_p jcamins = the query that is built is = UPDATE borrowers 11:44 paul_p SET borrowers.altcontactcountry = ? , borrowers.firstname = ? , borrowers.gonenoaddress = ? , borrowers.categorycode = ? , borrowers.othernames = ? , borrowers.B_address = ? , borrowers.contactnote = ? , borrowers.state = ? , borrowers.dateofbirth = ? , borrowers.altcontactaddress2 = ? , borrowers.email = ? , borrowers.debarred = ? , borrowers.B_state = ? , borrowers.B_country = ? , borrowers.B_address2 = ? , borrowers.address = ? , borrowers 11:44 paul_p .borrowernumber = ? , borrowers.streetnumber = ? , borrowers.branchcode = ? , borrowers.lost = ? , borrowers.surname = ? , borrowers.cardnumber = ? , borrowers.streettype = ? , borrowers.altcontactaddress3 = ? , borrowers.title = ? , borrowers.altcontactsurname = ? , borrowers.altcontactzipcode = ? , borrowers.opacnote = ? , borrowers.altcontactfirstname = ? , borrowers.userid = ? , borrowers.B_zipcode = ? , borrowers.B_email = ? , borrowers.mobile = ? , b 11:44 paul_p orrowers.city = ? , borrowers.B_phone = ? , borrowers.fax = ? , borrowers.altcontactphone = ? , borrowers.debarredcomment = ? , borrowers.country = ? , borrowers.sort1 = ? , borrowers.dateenrolled = ? , borrowers.altcontactstate = ? , borrowers.altcontactaddress1 = ? , borrowers.sex = ? , borrowers.zipcode = ? , borrowers.phone = ? , borrowers.address2 = ? , borrowers.B_city = ? , borrowers.borrowernotes = ? , borrowers.dateexpiry = ? , borrowers.sort2 = ? 11:44 paul_p , borrowers.phonepro = ? , borrowers.emailpro = ? 11:44 kf oups 11:44 paul_p WHERE =? 11:44 paul_p WHERE =? is the culprit 11:44 jcamins paul_p: that query is not built on my system. 11:44 paul_p GetPrimaryKeys did not return anything 11:44 jcamins It does for me... 11:45 paul_p jcamins = show create table borrowers says what ? 11:45 paul_p mine says: ..., `privacy` int(11) NOT NULL DEFAULT '1', 11:45 paul_p PRIMARY KEY (`borrowernumber`), 11:45 paul_p UNIQUE KEY `cardnumber` (`cardnumber`), 11:45 paul_p KEY `categorycode` (`categorycode`), 11:45 paul_p KEY `branchcode` (`branchcode`), 11:45 paul_p KEY `userid` (`userid`), 11:45 paul_p KEY `guarantorid` (`guarantorid`), 11:45 paul_p CONSTRAINT `borrowers_ibfk_1` FOREIGN KEY (`categorycode`) REFERENCES `categories` (`categorycode`), 11:45 paul_p CONSTRAINT `borrowers_ibfk_2` FOREIGN KEY (`branchcode`) REFERENCES `branches` (`branchcode`) 11:45 paul_p ) ENGINE=InnoDB AUTO_INCREMENT=7856 DEFAULT CHARSET=utf8 | 11:45 paul_p (sounds correct) 11:46 pastebot "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "paul_p: show create table borrowers" (81 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/170 11:47 jcamins What specifically are you trying to edit in the borrower? 11:48 jcamins Maybe that makes a difference. 11:48 jcamins I changed name and phone number. 11:49 paul_p jcamins = when reverting the 3 patches, everything is OK again 11:49 paul_p jcamins = I try to edit the surname 11:49 jcamins paul_p: in that case I'd just go ahead and do that. 11:50 jcamins I had meant to change that bug back to ASSIGNED instead of "Needs Signoff" anyway, because dpavlin said he'd redo caching to be even better. :) 11:51 jcamins paul_p: wait, did you restart memcached? 11:51 jcamins I did before testing the follow-up. 11:51 paul_p jcamins = I stopped it ! 11:51 jcamins Okay. 11:51 jcamins Yeah, revert. 11:52 paul_p ok, revert in a few minuts (jus writing a urgent mail, then back to pushing for the rest of the day) 11:52 jcamins :) 11:52 paul_p (and, it's no more morning here ;-) ) 11:52 jcamins paul_p: I refuse to acknowledge the approaching of afternoon. 11:52 jcamins It's morning!!!! 11:52 paul_p not sure rangi would agree :D :D 11:53 jcamins Morning! 11:53 wahanui morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast. 11:54 jcamins Hm. Missing '--' in the OPAC authority viewer. 11:54 * mtompset smirks, "Wrong repo." 11:55 mtompset Wow... that's a killer query! 11:56 mtompset greetings, kf jcamins paul_p 11:56 jcamins mtompset: yeah, SQLHelper does things like that. 11:59 * kf waves 11:59 kf on phone :) 12:06 mtompset Okay, I've been hacking on these install instructions all day... almost there. 12:07 mtompset This Upgrade Instruction section bugs me... 12:07 mtompset It suggests running the misc/maintenance... and misc/migration_tools from the build directory. 12:08 mtompset Which means the person is not the user doing the normal zebra indexing. 12:08 mtompset Is this better? su -c "misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r -v" koha 12:09 jcamins mtompset: the other scripts don't have to be run by the same user. 12:10 mtompset But rebuild_zebra should be run as koha, right? 12:11 jcamins Right. 12:11 mtompset You're right... I was being overly cautious. 12:12 mtompset Upgrade instructions don't make sense in terms of a git/dev install, right? 12:13 mtompset It's just a sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get upgrade 12:14 mtompset Oops... I mean packages. 12:14 mtompset And a git/dev install is just a git pull away from upgrading. 12:15 jcamins mtompset: no, that is not correct. 12:15 jcamins You have to rerun the Makefile and make install. 12:15 mtompset for the git? 12:16 mtompset Only if you answered standard off a git. 12:18 mtompset for a tarball, yes. 12:18 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_8089' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=da262047be427fc0c15f16ca602c3c9d7f8bee47> / Revert "Bug 8089: Use Koha::Cache for all caching" <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8449b14dcb66c7f4e76794daee21342a28ad9598> / Revert "Bug 8089: Cache sysprefs using Koha::Cache" <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=com 12:19 jcamins mtompset: no, always. 12:19 mtompset Even for packages? 12:19 mtompset How? 12:20 jcamins Not for packages. 12:20 jcamins For git. 12:20 jcamins You always have to run Makefile.PL, make, and make install for git. 12:20 mtompset Why? 12:20 jcamins (there are actually exceptions to that rule, but we're not going into them) 12:20 jcamins To update your Zebra configuration. 12:21 mtompset That makes sense. 12:22 mtompset because the koha-dev directory is outside the git repo. 12:22 mtompset and a git pull is not sufficient to update it with changes in those files. 12:24 oleonard Hi #koha 12:26 jenkins_koha Starting build #820 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 2 mo 9 days ago) 12:30 mtompset Greetings, oleonard. 12:43 tcohen ih oKha 12:44 mtompset Greetings, tcohen 12:45 tcohen hi mtompset 12:49 oleonard paul_p: Revision to Bug 7500 (social networks) submitted, rebased and redundant images removed 12:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7500 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Use CSS Sprites for faster page loading 12:53 paul_p oleonard++ 12:53 paul_p thanks, will test & push asap 13:10 jcamins paul_p: just FYI, the patch on bug 8300 provides a mechanized test of the functionality provided by bug 2600. 13:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8300 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Koha should have mechanized testing suite 13:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2600 critical, P3, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, HTML tags in titles not escaped in many places 13:10 jcamins *bug 2060 13:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2060 enhancement, P3, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Ability to import Authorities from Staff Client 13:10 * jcamins is pleased to report that the test on bug 8300 now works with UNIMARC *and* MARC21. :) 13:12 oleonard khall around? 13:18 oleonard Is there anyone around who can help explain how "fine in days" works in practice? 13:19 oleonard If I have overdues which should trigger a fine in days, the nightly overdues process finds them and sets my borrowers.debarred to a date? 13:30 oleonard Ah, no. The suspension is added when the item is returned. 13:32 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #820: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/820/ 13:32 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Revert "Bug 8089: Correct cache timeout to 1000" 13:32 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Revert "Bug 8089: Cache sysprefs using Koha::Cache" 13:32 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Revert "Bug 8089: Use Koha::Cache for all caching" 13:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8089 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Use Koha::Cache everywhere 13:32 oleonard So when is the suspension lifted? Or does the expired date stay in borrowers.debarred but is ignored? 13:35 oleonard I guess it stays? CheckBorrowerDebarred queries for debarred > NOW() 13:38 oleonard Hah, and SIP thinks you're debarred even if your debarred date < NOW(). 13:39 oleonard I guess (users of Fine in Days) does not intersect with (users of SIP) 13:39 mtompset You'll have to be pretty accurate to get that split-second timing. ;) 13:40 oleonard I don't understand what you mean mtompset 13:40 mtompset It missed the = NOW() case. ;) 13:47 mtompset Do we have any documentation on general networking setup for Koha? 13:51 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8708 [Revised] RSS feed for new comments is broken <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=784c6c0a8be47fc7dc9c91ca3cbce1b630edec55> / Bug 5911 follow-up DBRev number <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=78d8f9895c9fda109715019325bb909d8bcf8587> / bug_5911: Transport Cost Matrix <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=86c2c4626d4f60b70531bd0ab 13:56 jenkins_koha Starting build #821 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 2 mo 9 days ago) 14:12 kf hmpf no drojf 14:31 paul_p there are customers that are really ... which word should I use ...hopeless ? 14:31 paul_p (fortunately, that's only a very few of them...) 14:32 alex_a paul_p: useless ? 14:32 alex_a :D 14:33 kf paul_p: demanding? :) 14:34 paul_p kf = some are demanding, that's true. But some are really hopeless, and that's totally different 14:34 kf heh 14:34 * paul_p just spend 40 mn on phone with one of them, trying to explain things for the 2000th time, and I feel he still misunderstand (if he understand something) 14:35 mtompset Reminds me of at least one person on the mailing list. ;) 14:37 alex_a paul_p: be careful, he may be there :p 14:37 alex_a It would be fun :D 14:37 paul_p alex_a = not sure for the invoice... 14:38 alex_a mmh yes 14:38 alex_a not fun 14:39 SJeffery Hey, some of us ARE customers :) 14:39 kf customers are human 14:39 bag good morning 14:40 kf so you get all the variety of life :) 14:40 kf like everywhere else 14:41 kf maybe the problem was that paul was speaking french *hides* 14:49 * wizzyrea wonders what paul was trying to explain 14:53 paul_p bug 5911 14:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5911 enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , Transport Cost Matrix of transporting an item between branches 14:54 paul_p SJeffery = I know, and we couldn't live without customers. But there are a few customers, that, frankly, we would not complain to loose... (fortunately, that's only 1 or 2 on 50+ ...) 14:55 paul_p kf = the problem is that this customer is also speaking french. I should try english... that could be fun... 14:56 paul_p wizzyrea = it's not related to Koha. It's related to our contract with them (a contract where we're sub-contractors. The library don't understand that some things are unknown by us and must be managed by the other contractor). In this project, we've Koha + another tool, and the problem is in the other tool... 14:57 wizzyrea ohhhhh 14:57 wizzyrea yuck 15:01 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #821: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/821/ 15:01 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 8412: add color icon set 15:01 jenkins_koha * srdjan: bug_5911: Transport Cost Matrix 15:01 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 5911 follow-up DBRev number 15:01 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8708 [Revised] RSS feed for new comments is broken 15:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8412 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Pushed to Master , add color icon set 15:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5911 enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , Transport Cost Matrix of transporting an item between branches 15:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8708 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , RSS feed for new comments is broken 15:02 jenkins_koha Starting build #822 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 2 mo 9 days ago) 15:03 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5911 follow-up DBREv number <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=699e2955ff5a9e585df1870191977be358e576a3> / Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_8251' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=374b6f4b9f33a776d04cdaa696b40e8e033dda32> / Bug 8251 Do not try to debar patrons if returns are not overdue <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff 15:07 reiveune bye 15:12 mtompset Good night, #koha. 15:26 oleonard Is there some ambiguity in what should be done and by whom when a Jenkins test fails? 15:28 kf I think best would be not pushing patches that break it, woud force people to fix before it happens 15:28 jcamins oleonard: the new breakages are due to updatedatabase not having been run. 15:50 oleonard Ugh, my brain is tired of thinking about Bug 2720 15:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2720 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Overdues which debar automatically should undebar automatically when returned 15:51 * McCloud[A] is now away - Reason : Auto-Away after 30 minutes 15:54 Oak Ahoy me hearties 15:54 oleonard Hi Oak 15:55 Oak can anyone answer these? http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2010-March/022881.html 15:55 Oak hello oleonard :) 16:07 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #822: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/822/ 16:07 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8496 - show local cover images on lists view in opac 16:07 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 8251 Do not try to debar patrons if returns are not overdue 16:07 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 5911 follow-up DBREv number 16:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8496 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , show local cover images on lists view in opac 16:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8251 critical, P1 - high, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Patrons are systematically debarred at checkin 16:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5911 enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , Transport Cost Matrix of transporting an item between branches 16:13 maximep paul_p: do you have colors.css in opaccolorstylesheet ? (in reply to bug 8597) 16:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8597 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, Failed QA , New theme for the OPAC with a mobile view 16:14 paul_p hi maximep nope. 16:14 maximep you have to 16:14 jcamins Did I know about colors.css? 16:15 jcamins Oh. 16:15 jcamins Yes. 16:15 jcamins I did. 16:15 maximep a bit weird that I did it this way, but I didn't know better at that time hehe 16:15 jcamins Somewhere at the beginning of the bug is a grouchy comment from me that it looked hideous and could you please send the patch with your changes. ;) 16:15 paul_p maximep = works much better. although I feel it should be documented & maybe improved. 16:15 paul_p (and there is some glitches for me) 16:15 jcamins paul_p: agreed. I said that in my slightly-less-grouchy response, I think. 16:16 paul_p jcamins = I read all the comments, should have missed that 16:16 * paul_p dreams that it's possible to edit description in bugzilla ... 16:16 jcamins paul_p: perhaps it was just on IRC. 16:16 maximep well now that it's a different theme, it should be alright to move everything in opac.css 16:16 paul_p (there's a patch for that, but not accepted by bugzilla community :(((( = 16:17 maximep or even ccsr.css and ass it directly at the same place as we added mobile 16:17 maximep *add 16:17 jcamins paul_p: you can change the title. 16:19 paul_p jcamins & maximep = it's related to Quote Of The day 16:19 paul_p OK, time to go back home for me, I promized my wife to come back early, and it's already 6:20 PM here 16:19 paul_p see you tomorrow 16:19 oleonard Bye paul_p 16:20 maximep cya 16:20 jcamins paul_p: perhaps add a note that QotD doesn't look so good with the new theme, and make maximep provide a follow-up? ;) 16:20 maximep I didn't know there was a qotd feature :S 16:20 jcamins Yup. 16:20 jcamins It's very cool. 16:20 paul_p jcamins yes, it probably require a tiny follow-up to hide QOTD 16:20 jcamins paul_p: or to change the display. 16:21 * jcamins has custom CSS for the QotD to make it more unobtrusive, and it worked fine. 16:21 jcamins But rebasing that one has been a great challenge, and it's usable as it is now, if you disable the quotes. 16:25 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8028 - Followup <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=04e95e11d763f82c56e114a3cf48ae6f91488065> / Bug 8028 - Make table collapsing on parcel.pl sticky - Hide link for 5 or fewer items. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5a104d6e6a9b539fc6aee8356371526b0b740c69> / Bug 8028 - Make table collapsing on parcel.pl sticky <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git 16:26 jenkins_koha Starting build #823 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 2 mo 10 days ago) 17:00 Oliver_Spain hi 17:01 Oliver_Spain i need help with koha configurate for library consortium 17:01 Oliver_Spain someone know any documentation about? 17:02 Oliver_Spain excuse me for my english xDD 17:02 wahanui Oliver_Spain: Sales staff sold a product we don't offer. 17:02 jcamins Oliver_Spain: wahanui is a bot. I have no idea where that response came from. 17:02 jcamins manual? 17:02 wahanui manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation 17:02 Oliver_Spain ok thanks 17:02 jcamins ^^ that's the manual, which is a good first step 17:03 Oliver_Spain yes i have the manual 17:03 Oliver_Spain and i read it 17:03 Oliver_Spain configure my koha like independet branches 17:04 Oliver_Spain but i have problems because i want that each staff patron only can edit the bibliographic records of his own libraries 17:04 Oliver_Spain and i don't know how do it 17:04 jcamins I don't know anything about IndependentBranches, sorry. Someone else might, though. 17:05 Oliver_Spain thanks 17:05 oleonard Oliver_Spain: It should be the case that each staff member can only edit *items* from their branch, but bibliographic records are not tied to a specific branch 17:05 oleonard ...as far as I know 17:05 kf Oliver_Spain: you can't to id for bibliographic records, only for items 17:05 kf do it... 17:05 jcamins oleonard: oh, you're right. I missed that detail. 17:05 * jcamins was thinking "items." 17:05 kf what oleonard phrased much better :) 17:06 Oliver_Spain ok 17:07 Oliver_Spain the problem is that staff patron (with permiss to do it) can edit bibliogrpahic records catalog in other library 17:07 Oliver_Spain :S 17:08 jcamins Oliver_Spain: yes, that's the way it's supposed to work. If you want catalogs completely separate, you should set up a separate catalog for each library. 17:08 jcamins Packages make that easy. 17:08 jcamins Packages? 17:08 wahanui Packages is probably at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 17:08 Oliver_Spain humm... 17:10 Oliver_Spain and its posible define that one librarian can edit items of group of libraries (and only for this group)? 17:10 jcamins No. 17:11 jcamins You can't have it both ways. 17:11 Oliver_Spain it's complicate configure koha to consortium 17:11 Oliver_Spain with diferent levels 17:11 Oliver_Spain :( 17:12 jcamins Oliver_Spain: it can be, yes. 17:12 Oliver_Spain ok thanks a lot 17:13 jcamins Oliver_Spain: wait, you said items that last time. 17:13 jcamins Oliver_Spain: sorry, I got confused. 17:13 Oliver_Spain yes items for a group 17:13 Oliver_Spain only for his own group 17:13 jcamins I was still thinking about bibliographic records. 17:14 jcamins I think usually what people do is give one librarian multiple users, one for each library they manage. 17:14 Oliver_Spain humm 17:14 Oliver_Spain i don't like xD 17:15 jcamins That's if they insist on using IndependentBranches. 17:15 Oliver_Spain yes 17:15 Oliver_Spain i have a lot of libraries 17:16 Oliver_Spain i can't let it edit (or add) items from other libraries 17:16 jcamins wizzyrea: do you use IndependentBranches? 17:16 Oliver_Spain i need independent branchs 17:16 jcamins (wizzyrea works for a consortium too) 17:16 Oliver_Spain thanks 17:18 Oliver_Spain another question it's posible give permission to capturate from z39.50 but not edit bibliographic records? 17:20 jcamins Oliver_Spain: no. There's no separate permission for adding (as opposed to editing) bib records. 17:21 Oliver_Spain ok thanks a lot of jcamins ;) 17:23 * Oak waves to the crickets 17:23 Oak kia ora #koha 17:32 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #823: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/823/ 17:32 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 8028 - Make table collapsing on parcel.pl sticky 17:32 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 8028 - Make table collapsing on parcel.pl sticky - Hide link for 5 or fewer items. 17:32 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 8028 - Followup 17:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8028 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Make table collapsing on parcel.pl sticky 17:55 oleonard Hm, the transport_cost table was created fine on my test machine 17:58 bag mine too 17:58 bag I think that was a jenkins error? 18:02 rangi no 18:02 rangi if it can happen once, it can happen again 18:03 bag :) at least you didn't NO me 18:03 bag heh 18:05 * oleonard wonders about this line added in updatedatabase.pl: "CHECK ( `frombranch` <> `tobranch` ), -- a dud check, mysql does not support that" 18:05 rangi its not that 18:05 rangi its the foreign key constraints 18:05 oleonard What does that mean? 18:05 rangi if i take them out, it can create the table 18:08 jcamins rangi: oh, I thought the problem was a missing syspref. 18:08 rangi what mysql version are you running? 18:11 oleonard I've got 5.5.24-0ubuntu0.12.04.1 18:11 rangi jenkins is running 5.1 18:11 rangi i wonder if thats the difference 18:12 rangi bbiab 18:47 oleonard I really need to leave myself better notes. Why did I stop working on this branch? Ran out of time? Got bored? Insurmountable problem I can't recall? 18:48 cait which branch is it? :) 18:49 oleonard Bug 8535 18:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8535 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Granular permission for viewing patron information 18:49 cait hm 18:49 cait probably we couldn't agree on it 18:50 cait hm although... it doesn't look so bad 18:50 oleonard I don't think we discussed it. I probably worked on it until my brain hurt and then quit. 18:50 cait maybe you wanted to introduce accordeon there too? :) 18:50 cait that's also an option :) 18:50 oleonard :) 18:50 oleonard Anyway, I guess I shouldn't start testing it again when I have to leave in 15 min. 18:50 cait hm yeah, sounds not reasonable :) 18:51 cait or you will end up like me and have to drive home on the dark 19:01 oleonard Bye #koha 19:18 rangi @wunder nzwn 19:18 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 4.0°C (7:00 AM NZST on September 13, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). 19:28 cait good morning rangi 19:28 cait @wunder Konstanz 19:28 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 9.4°C (9:25 PM CEST on September 12, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 19:28 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 19:28 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 15.2°C (9:12 PM CEST on September 12, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). 19:41 rangi My stop bbiab 19:44 bag @wunder Santa Barbara, CA 19:44 huginn bag: The current temperature in Near Mission - TC, Santa Barbara, California is 24.0°C (12:41 PM PDT on September 12, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling). 19:44 bag I think melia sent her weather down here - cloudy :( 19:44 cait it's a lot warmer than here - don't complain! 19:44 cait :) 19:44 melia yup. cloudy here, too. 19:44 bag heh sorry cait 19:45 jcamins @wunder 11375 19:45 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Middle Village, Queens, New York is 25.4°C (3:40 PM EDT on September 12, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.32 in 1026 hPa (Steady). 19:45 jcamins Huh. 19:45 jcamins It seemed so much nicer out. 19:45 bag oh nice day in queens 19:45 jcamins Yup. 19:45 jcamins Not quite as nice as yesterday, but still not bad. 19:45 wizzyrea @wunder 66049 19:45 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Jeff's Weather Lab, Lawrence, Kansas is 34.0°C (2:43 PM CDT on September 12, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Falling). 19:45 wizzyrea warmish 19:46 bag HOT 19:46 wizzyrea ok fine. 19:46 bag I'd melt 19:46 cait me too 19:46 wizzyrea I guess kansans are made of tougher stuff. :P 19:46 cait pff 19:46 wizzyrea :) 19:47 bag no no I totally agree - I'm a wuss now 19:53 rangi back 19:54 gib56 hello 19:55 gib56 elliott? 19:55 jcamins libsysguy_calendar: I think you are being summoned. 19:55 jcamins gib56: if you have a question about Koha, you should probably ask generally. 19:55 gib56 well, actually i just need some help 19:56 jcamins (i.e. not directed to a specific person) 19:56 gib56 a librarian is trying to create a label batch 19:56 gib56 in Manage Staged MARC records 19:57 gib56 and it gives this error 19:57 gib56 Error attempting to create label batch. Please ask your system administrator to check the log for more details. 19:58 jcamins gib56: I don't use labels, but it sounds like you should check your log. 19:59 jcamins That might give us something to go on. 20:00 gib56 I am very new to Koha 20:00 gib56 so, I am assuming I am going to Var > Log 20:01 jcamins Probably /var/log/koha, but it depends how Koha was installed. 20:03 gib56 thank you 20:11 gib56 hello 20:11 wahanui hi, gib56 20:12 gib56 is anybody having issues with creating label batches? 20:13 dcook Allo #koha 20:13 gib56 that's under Tools > Manage staged MARC records 20:14 jcamins gib56: did you find out what the logs said? 20:14 jcamins Also, you know that label batches are handled by a separate label tool, right? 20:14 gib56 i did go to logs 20:14 gib56 and to be honest, I have no idea what to look for 20:15 jcamins Errors. 20:15 jcamins You'll recognize one if you see it. 20:16 dcook Can someone checkout the current master branch in their git? When I take a look at my opac-tmpl folder, I see "lib" next to "prog", when I look in this "lib" directory...it's the yui lib which should be in the "en" directory 20:16 gib56 i see a fail2ban.log.2.gz 20:16 jcamins dcook: yui has been moved. 20:16 gib56 but that was from sept 2 20:16 jcamins gib56: that's not your Koha log. 20:16 jcamins You could also check in ~/koha-dev/var/log 20:16 cait dcook: it's all ok - it's a feature not a bug :) 20:16 rangi or /var/log/apache2/ 20:17 gib56 yep, am in koha-dev right now 20:17 dcook Thanks, jcamins and cait. I just realized that I was checking against the koha38 branch on the community website *facepalm* 20:17 dcook Actually...no I'm not.. 20:18 dcook Or.. 20:18 cait dcook: it's a very recent change 20:18 rangi dcook its supposed to be there 20:18 rangi not in en 20:18 dcook I believe you :) 20:18 rangi cos its not language dependent 20:18 rangi or even theme dependent 20:19 dcook For some reason when I look at the git website now, it agrees with you guys. I'm starting to doubt my brainmeats 20:19 gib56 q 20:19 dcook It's good logic. That's what I figured when I first saw that it was moved :p 20:20 cait @wunder Konstanz 20:20 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 10.0°C (10:00 PM CEST on September 12, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising). 20:21 gib56 under var > log 20:21 gib56 i did see koha-error_log 20:21 gib56 and koha-opac-error_log 20:22 jcamins Look in koha-error_log 20:22 gib56 it's very big 20:23 gib56 it will take a while to open 20:23 jcamins You can just use tail. 20:23 jcamins Also, that's a problem. 20:23 jcamins It indicates there's something wrong. 20:24 rangi jcamins: most likely is not logrotated 20:24 jcamins rangi: oh, because it's in ~. Of course. 20:25 rangi yep 20:25 jcamins Well, that on its own is a problem. 20:25 rangi yep 20:25 gib56 uummmm...eh? 20:26 * jcamins closes up shop for the day. 20:33 bag bug 5786 20:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5786 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Signed Off , Move AllowOnShelfHolds system preference to the Circulation Matrix 20:41 bag hey rangi - I may have missed it - but was the jenkins error based on having an older mysql? or do you still think this is a problem 20:41 jenkins_koha Starting build #166 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: FIXED) 20:41 bag for the transport_cost table 20:43 rangi havent tracked it down, but if it can fail for that, then it may well fail on others 20:44 bag agreed - I'm just trying to think of ways that I can repeat it 20:45 bag I may have an older VM kicking around 20:57 * dcook wishes that there were some simple bugs to sign off, so that he wasn't making the bug sign off list ever larger 21:09 bag dcook: it's also a good chance to learn about a new module.. that's how I first learned acq and serials - by trying test patches (and failing) 21:10 bag actually I think I learned everything by failing 21:15 dcook Hehe. I certainly learned quite a bit by failing too 21:15 dcook It's just that I don't have a lot of time at the moment, as I'm only doing 1.5 days a week. 21:17 dcook I suppose contributing bugs/patches is better than nothing. 21:21 jcamins dcook: definitely. :) 21:22 bag agreed :) 21:23 jcamins Myshkin says chin scratching is a superior contribution, though. 21:24 bag last night Aloo thought throwing up on the rug deserved at least two sign-offs 21:30 rangi i think oliver martin should go with evergreen 21:30 jcamins Yeah, does sound more appropriate for his needs. 21:33 bag dont' you mean cromwell cromwell 21:33 rangi heh 21:34 rangi could be his level2 cache is full 21:35 mtj haay, thats my punchline! 21:36 rangi hehe 21:36 rangi its such a good one 21:36 rangi i really enjoyed wahanui chipping in earlier 21:36 rangi 04:59 < Oliver_Spain> excuse me for my english xDD 21:36 rangi 04:59 < wahanui> Oliver_Spain: Sales staff sold a product we don't offer. 21:37 rangi excuse me for my shoes 21:37 wahanui rangi: ether leak 21:37 rangi heh 21:37 jcamins lol 21:37 jcamins I wondered where that came from. 21:37 cait excuse? 21:37 wahanui cait: The CPU has shifted, and become decentralized. 21:37 bag oh hey mtj 21:38 cait night all :) 21:38 jcamins Night. 21:38 cait jcamins: you wanted to stop working earlier 21:38 jcamins cait: I did leave. 21:38 jcamins I'm at home now, so I can do other work. 21:38 cait and you came back :) 21:38 mtj 'shell variables become destabilized, with 64-bit endiness' 21:38 cait oh. 21:38 cait I am relaly leaving :) 21:39 jcamins mtj: that's pretty great. 21:40 mtj morning #koha 21:44 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #166: SUCCESS in 1 hr 2 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/166/ 21:44 jenkins_koha oleonard: Bug 8708 [Revised] RSS feed for new comments is broken 21:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8708 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , RSS feed for new comments is broken 21:44 jenkins_koha Starting build #167 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 22:07 rangi excuse 22:07 wahanui rangi: It must have been the lightning storm we had (yesterday) (last week) (last month) 22:07 rangi excuse 22:07 wahanui rangi: the xy axis in the trackball is coordinated with the summer solstice 22:07 rangi excuse 22:07 wahanui rangi: Our ISP is having {switching,routing,SMDS,frame relay} problems 22:09 rangi (i needed one for a tweet) 22:11 mtj L2-cache pipeline saturation, causes zebra-indexing fault 22:12 mtj yoar welcome :) 22:47 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #167: SUCCESS in 1 hr 2 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/167/ 22:47 jenkins_koha colin.campbell: Bug 8251 Do not try to debar patrons if returns are not overdue 22:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8251 critical, P1 - high, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , Patrons are systematically debarred at checkin 22:47 rangi glad got that one in 22:51 mtompset @quote 123 22:51 huginn mtompset: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 22:51 mtompset Is that really quote 123? 22:52 jcamins @quote get 123 22:52 huginn jcamins: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 22:52 mtompset Thank you, jcamins. 22:58 bag bug 5786 22:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5786 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Signed Off , Move AllowOnShelfHolds system preference to the Circulation Matrix 22:58 rangi hehe poodle 23:14 rangi hehe 23:14 rangi i like poodle better :) 23:48 mtompset poodle?