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23:57 wajasu see it. later.
23:57 jcamins Thanks.
23:57 jcamins It's ready to go.
23:56 wajasu i will test it. but i have a dinner i need to leave for. but will test whatever you leave and can work it later tonight.
23:56 wajasu i read up in it, and started to. but was holding back for koha until i see you are ready for it.
23:55 jcamins Out of curiosity, are you using Plack?
23:55 jcamins New patch for you to test.
23:55 jcamins There were two issues. A potential issue with a map, and a potential issue with $field.
23:53 jcamins No, at this point the map is fine.
23:53 jcamins And by "I see" I mean "I have a working theory that you will test for me."
23:52 wajasu is the order wrong? 0 => 1 should be 1 => 0?
23:52 jcamins Oh, I see.
23:52 jcamins I wish I knew why I can't get the indicator error with the exact same configuration.
23:51 wajasu iin the map, are you cloning/copying the @subfields into the "new" field?
23:49 jcamins Or shouldn't be.
23:49 jcamins There's no merging happening here.
23:49 wajasu merge, interleaving new data?
23:49 jcamins I want it to not delete data.
23:49 wajasu how do you want it to behave?
23:49 wajasu ok. lets continue working it.
23:48 jcamins We go from an error to the system deleting data.
23:48 jcamins No, the current patch makes it MUCH WORSE.
23:48 wajasu it at least allows biblios to be saved. i think we need to work on how to merge authorites which is complex. but we can continue to work it in this bug if you like.
23:47 jcamins (where "it" = the problem)
23:47 jcamins wajasu: based on the description you just posted on the bug, the patch does not fix it.
23:44 wajasu adding use case to bug now.
23:44 wajasu i'm add a test so QA has something to work with.
23:44 jcamins wajasu: can you explain exactly what you meant when you described what the patch did, though? I'm curious.
23:43 wajasu thanks bag. i had a meeting.
23:43 bag thanks wajasu++
23:43 wajasu ok,
23:43 bag you can fix that if you want :) I'm actually running out the door
23:43 bag :)
23:43 bag yup I did
23:42 wajasu jcamins: i just got back. it looks like brendan (bag) signed off on your 8447 patch. so I am leaving that alone. BUT, both your patch and his are in attachments, maybe he forgot to obsolete the 1st one, and prefix with SIGNED-OFF
19:26 wizzyrea http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/1291131680_two-thumbs-up.jpg
19:26 rangi brb
19:26 rangi http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3qgz25/
19:26 rangi that reminds me of
19:25 wizzyrea hmm that moment when you ctrl-q instead of ctrl-w
19:24 wizzyrea LOL!
19:24 cait heh
19:23 rangi heh
19:23 oleonard Now let's see it in church sign form http://i.imgur.com/AM5dm.jpg
19:18 cait :(
19:18 rangi ah well, i don't have time to look at that today, and its only been unstable for 46 builds now, whats another few
19:12 rangi https://twitter.com/KohaJenkins/status/244139209064075264
19:10 rangi http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/819/
19:09 cait htat doesn't sound good at all
19:09 cait eew
19:08 rangi hmm members and budgets tests failing
19:01 Brooke cait++
19:00 Brooke I must have slept as much as a koala yesterday
19:00 Brooke much :D
19:00 oleonard Feeling better Brooke?
18:55 rangi hmm +8 fails
18:29 huginn bag: sekjal was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 6 days, 23 hours, 53 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <sekjal> gtg. see ya, #koha!
18:29 bag @seen sekjal
18:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8408 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Odd OPAC message when OPAC Renewals are disabled and OPACFineNoRenewals is set to blank
18:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8678 major, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , XSLT stylesheets output XML, but HTML is needed
18:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8204 major, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Authority viewer in OPAC ugly, unfriendly, and mostly useless
18:00 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 8408 - Followup 2 - Add reference to renewing items.
18:00 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 8408 - Followup - Fix broken messages.
18:00 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8678: XSLT stylesheets output XML, but HTML is needed
18:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8089 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Use Koha::Cache everywhere
18:00 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8204 follow-up: don't display OpacNav on auth details
18:00 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8089: Correct cache timeout to 1000
18:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8206 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Add additional search options to authority browser in OPAC
18:00 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8089: Cache sysprefs using Koha::Cache
18:00 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8089: Use Koha::Cache for all caching
18:00 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8206: make authority search indexes consistent
18:00 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8206 follow-up: Add Match index to MARC21 record.abs
18:00 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8206: Specify index in OPAC authority search
18:00 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #819: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 4 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/819/
17:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8740 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, Needs Signoff , Serials Claims should be exportable all at once
17:42 slef Changes submitted for bug 8740
17:35 mtompset Good day (24 hour period) everyone.
17:30 cait oh
17:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7298 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , export late orders, with # of claims and claim dates
17:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5342 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Serial claiming improvements
17:28 slef bug 5342 I was leaving until others figure it out, while Patch failed at 0001 Bug 7298 Export late orders as csv
17:26 cait for the serial claim improvements
17:25 slef patch for which?
17:25 cait was wondering if you looked at master or master + patch
17:24 slef how do you mean? I have a test server for this, yes.
17:21 cait you are testing the new feature, right?
17:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8740 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Serials Claims should be exportable all at once
17:18 slef Bug 8740 has been added to the database
17:14 * slef makes a new bug
17:14 cait so no regressoin
17:14 cait but it is how it currently works
17:14 cait yeah
17:14 slef should still note the second step in a bug somewhere
17:13 cait kaizen... not too many things at once
17:13 cait so we thought it should be done in a second step
17:13 cait but I think there was a problem with converting the table and filters
17:13 cait the acq thing works nicer
17:12 cait at the moment, that might be so
17:12 cait hmm
17:12 slef yeah but you have to step through them one at a time?
17:12 cait which makes sense
17:12 cait only vnedors with late serial issues show
17:12 mtompset cait++
17:12 slef any thoughts on how to get "All vendors" in the list for vendors?
17:12 cait it least there weren't almost 30 people staring at you while fixing it :)
17:11 cait you are welcome
17:11 slef bah, that fixed it. Thanks cait.
17:08 cait well the interface gives you a warning on top that you have no notice
17:08 mtompset sounds like a failed qa or a depends situation. :)
17:08 cait the problem is I didn't want to write an english claim notice :)
17:08 cait there is a bug for that even i think
17:08 cait yes
17:07 slef If we need that before the display is non-broken, we should provide a default.
17:07 cait just create one with whatever in the right module
17:07 cait i was highly irriated, maybe that's your problem :)
17:07 slef I was leaving that to the librarians.
17:07 slef Ah, no.
17:07 cait I ran into this during the workshop presentation
17:07 cait do you have a claim notice defined?
17:06 cait aah
17:06 cait consistency is good
17:06 slef well my problem is that I see no checkboxes on the Serials: Claims listings
17:06 cait and similar to how late orders work now, which is good
17:06 cait it will actually be nice I think
17:06 cait I wanted to get back to that foever :(
17:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5342 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Serial claiming improvements
17:06 slef bug 5342
17:06 slef nope... was looking at that patch too, but it looks like a mess
17:05 cait do you have a claim counter already?
17:05 mtompset Sorry.
17:05 slef late serials I think
17:05 * mtompset laughs.
17:05 cait what does not work for you slef?
17:05 cait i got confused
17:05 cait or was that late serials?
17:05 cait there is a patch waiting
17:04 slef is export late orders working for anyone at the moment?
17:04 slef feature freeze approaches
17:04 slef weekend is cancelled
17:03 wahanui hmmm... friday is It's Friday, Friday Gotta get down on Friday
17:03 mtompset friday?
17:03 mtompset Because saturday comes after friday. ;)
17:03 wahanui hmmm... weekend is partyin', partyin', partyin' YAH!
17:03 mtompset weekend?
17:03 mtompset Nope... it's the weekend.
17:02 slef if anyone else would like a go
17:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7298 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , export late orders, with # of claims and claim dates
17:02 slef Patch failed at 0001 Bug 7298 Export late orders as csv
17:02 slef error: koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/acqui/lateorders.tt: patch does not apply
17:02 mtompset (if you're frustrated enough)
17:02 mtompset tr? :)
17:01 slef mtompset: 1. not my patch; 2. wrong editor
17:00 mtompset :set ts=4? :)
17:00 * slef kicks stuff
17:00 slef git/rebase-apply/patch:296: tab in indent
16:56 jcamins wajasu: probably not, but I think I'd need an example of what you're talking about.
16:56 jenkins_koha Starting build #819 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 2 mo 5 days ago)
16:55 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_8408' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c8ef17ea3965f04ed3b0bebb85d4c70dd1cfc131> / Bug 8408 - Followup 2 - Add reference to renewing items. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8e590abebbd4d95bd5bb829aa6c2dd76f5548a9f> / Bug 8408 - Followup - Fix broken messages. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commit
16:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5342 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Serial claiming improvements
16:54 slef oh my! bug 5342 is big
16:53 paul_p_ (only 2 weeks before Feature freeze ...)
16:52 paul_p_ on monday & tuesday, I doubt to have time to push patch, but maybe. on wed-fri, should be here
16:52 wajasu jcamins: that 8447 patch worked. it saved by bib. now it linked in subtag 9. my pre-existing subtags ( p p and v ) from the original biblio are empty. is that the desired behavior?
16:52 oleonard Thanks for all your hard work paul_p_
16:52 paul_p_ OK, guys, it's time to leave for me. the "passed QA" queue is almost empty ! Some are waiting for feedback, a few are still requiring my testing.
16:50 slef ok, next problem, why have I no "All" in http://intranet:8080/cgi-bin/koha/serials/claims.pl
16:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7068 major, P5 - low, ---, mjr, Needs Signoff , autobarcode not working when duplicating patrons
16:49 slef bug 7068 needs signoff
16:45 * mtompset high fives wizzyrea. ;)
16:45 wizzyrea yay for being delusional.
16:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8597 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, Passed QA , New theme for the OPAC with a mobile view
16:45 jcamins paul_p_: updated patches for bug 8597.
16:44 mtompset Don't worry... it happens to the best of us.
16:43 mtompset you're not dumb wizzyrea, you're just delusional. :)
16:42 * wizzyrea goes and hides in a hole
16:42 * wizzyrea is dumb, they are in fact commented out.
16:39 trea excelsior!
16:39 trea thx again #koha
16:37 * trea gets out a stopwatch
16:37 trea but again, not consistently
16:37 trea i'm geting booted as well from their catalog
16:37 wizzyrea so not only telepathically
16:37 * wizzyrea didn't even know she wanted a sessionlog!
16:36 wizzyrea lol.
16:36 gmcharlt because otherwise the alternative is that you have just discovered how to patch running code telepathically ;)
16:36 wizzyrea shouldn't be
16:36 gmcharlt wizzyrea: well, the commit commenting that out was made last December ... are you running an ancient version or missing commit 00290e86197?
16:32 trea mmm
16:32 * wizzyrea wonders why her dev install does that and she never uncommented anything of the sort
16:30 trea gmcharlt++
16:29 trea thx gmcharlt. i'll give that a go
16:26 gmcharlt the session logging to /tmp would be turned on by uncommenting the calls to _session_log in C4/Auth.pm
16:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7068 major, P5 - low, ---, mjr, ASSIGNED , autobarcode not working when duplicating patrons
16:26 slef ok it's bug 7068
16:26 gmcharlt trea: sthe sessionstorage syspref controls were the actual session state gets stored
16:26 trea not on ubuntu, but good info
16:25 mtompset trea, /tmp goes away on a reboot in Ubuntu.
16:24 trea nope, there's other stuff in /tmp
16:24 bag trea it couldn't be read/write access could it? /me playing dumb
16:23 trea i'd like to start tracking messages regarding changing ip addresses
16:23 trea anyone know what's required to store session log information in /tmp? I thought changing the sessionstorage syspref would do it, but no dice.
16:21 jcamins Right. Caching will work either way.
16:21 paul_p_ ARRAY() means it's cached now !
16:20 paul_p_ but caching works though = added a trace in get_in_cache, and saw = RETRIEVING getAllLanguages = ARRAY(0xcd23ddc)
16:20 jcamins So people without Moose may see faster caching.
16:20 jcamins Exactly.
16:20 * paul_p_ has Moose IIRC
16:19 jcamins Then I tried to set up Solr, and it started using Moose.
16:19 jcamins I didn't have Moose installed when I first wrote the CHI stuff, and it worked great.
16:19 jcamins At least, that's what it seemed to me.
16:19 jcamins paul_p_: CHI uses Moose only if it is installed.
16:18 wahanui jcamins is, like, A-Grade developper on Koha willing to rewrite it from top to bottom. Good Luck jcamins or a very naughty wahanui teacher
16:18 paul_p_ jcamins ???
16:18 jcamins paul_p_: note that you may get different performance results because you have Moose.
16:16 paul_p_ };
16:16 paul_p_ 'have_chi' => 1
16:16 paul_p_ wonderfull = NEW with Koha::Cache::Memcached and $VAR1 = {
16:13 jcamins Okay, caching should be working for you now.
16:12 paul_p_ now it is, and the result is "hi" !!!
16:12 jcamins In Lenny, that used to be part of libcache-memcached-perl.
16:12 paul_p_ libcache-memcached-fast-perl not installed !!!
16:11 jcamins I think you pushed it.
16:11 jcamins There's a patch adding that dependency.
16:11 * paul_p_ checking synaptic...
16:11 jcamins paul_p_: ooh, CHI didn't install properly.
16:11 paul_p_ Can't locate Cache/Memcached/Fast.pm in @INC
16:11 slef do cardnumbers auto-generate on "Duplicate" for anyone else?
16:11 paul_p_ Can't locate Cache/Memcached/Fast.pm
16:10 paul_p_ jcamins = I think it is. Even if I've found a very usefull command to be sure the cache is accessed: perl -MCache::Memcached -MData::Dumper=Dumper -le 'print Dumper(Cache::Memcached->new(servers => ["localhost:11211"])->stats);'
16:10 jcamins paul_p_: try: perl -e "use Koha::Cache::Memcached; print 'hi';"
16:10 bag with coffee I can make any timezone ;)
16:10 bag heh thanks slef
16:09 jcamins paul_p_: yup.
16:09 paul_p_ jcamins (you're talking of my mail about caching ?)
16:09 slef Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=-1 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bag, ASSIGNED, Move bag to a better timezone like CET or something
16:08 jcamins paul_p_: that's a weird one!
16:06 bag good morning
16:03 jcamins As I said, although your example of the output made sense to me, I wasn't able to reproduce the problem, even though I could reach the same code.
16:02 jcamins wajasu: thanks.
16:02 wajasu jcamins: your patch looks like it should work. going to apply it and test.
15:49 kf bye all, have a nice weekend!
15:48 khall glad to be of service!
15:47 mtompset khall++ # thanks for the sign off.
15:42 slef kf: yes and not by us!
15:42 kf bye Joubu
15:41 Joubu bye ++
15:41 kf that sounds like something customized?
15:41 slef someone has put a trigger into the mysql which is failing
15:41 slef ok, found the problem
15:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8519 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Make koha-index-daemon run on startup
15:40 mtompset bug 8519
15:37 oleonard The statistics table should just work
15:36 slef Have I forgotten to switch something on?
15:36 slef ok, the statistics table isn't being updated on the no-output server.
15:34 slef I'm going to run a few queries on the statistics table of that server.
15:34 slef and the correct output on the other
15:33 slef it produces no output on one of the two servers I've tested
15:33 slef and anyone else who'd like to help
15:33 slef oleonard: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library#Patrons_w.2F_Items_Issued_Today
15:29 * slef does the wiki login shuffle
15:29 tcohen inded
15:28 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
15:28 oleonard Sure slef
15:28 slef if I put the report in the wiki library, could others try it for me, please?
15:27 slef same report, different servers, similar test data... one produces the correct output, the other does not
15:26 slef oh this is fun
15:23 trea koha++
15:23 trea got it working. thx all
15:22 gaetan_B bye !
15:19 tcohen khall++
15:18 slef oh the config is a bit interconnected
15:17 trea yea i was going to say there is no <database> tag for publicserver defined that i can see
15:17 slef but database probably should have the same value
15:17 slef yazgfs/config/biblioserver is probably definitive
15:17 slef oh wait that's for something else
15:17 trea :D
15:16 trea nm, of course it is
15:16 slef I think
15:15 slef err, "database"
15:14 trea gmcharlt: what parameter is the z39.50 db name in the $KOHA_CONF ?
15:14 gmcharlt correct
15:14 slef trea: the Z39.50 database name is usually biblios I think
15:14 gmcharlt trea: if it's accessible on the general net, I can try pointing yaz-client at it and get more diagnostics
15:13 slef trea: any error messages?
15:13 gmcharlt trea: no, the Z39.50 database name
15:13 trea difficulty = unable to query/retrieve records from a client search
15:13 trea such as specifying a database name in the config. is this referring to the name of the sql database?
15:12 slef trea: define "difficulty connecting"?
15:12 jcamins trea: I think it's configurable, but I can't remember how.
15:12 trea well, that's the trouble. i'm having difficulty connecting, so i'm trying to verify i have all the settings i need
15:12 slef been a while since I tried
15:12 slef trea: I think so, if it's in the config for the public target, but the only way to be sure is to test it. Can you suck it and see?
15:10 trea when configuring a koha catalog as a public z39.50 target, is the username/password required if specified in the config?
15:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8738 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , DateTime object being compared to a date string in circulation
15:10 slef Changes submitted for bug 8738
15:10 trea greetings #koha
15:09 reiveune bye
15:07 jcamins Also, good job on providing the correct debugging information. :)
15:06 jcamins Please test it, as I cannot.
15:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8447 critical, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , can't save new records / indicator error
15:06 jcamins wajasu: I posted a patch for bug 8447.
15:05 slef eythian: well that changed
15:02 eythian usage: git blame [options] [rev-opts] [rev] [--] file
15:02 eythian slef: $ git annotate
15:01 slef which I really should debug, but in another life maybe
15:01 oleonard If we plug the git parser into perltidy we have have git tell us which lines are blames and which are praises
15:00 slef uh, annotate and blame are different commands, with different output formats... also I can't get blame to work over tramp
14:59 eythian oleonard: yeah, it's like svn had 'blame' and 'praise' as synonyms
14:59 slef eythian: I've quite enough to blame myself for, thank you!
14:59 oleonard Oh, is "annotate" just a nice way of putting it?
14:58 eythian slef: git annotate is too pansy. git blame is where it really is.
14:54 jcamins If I write a patch, based on that, will you test it for me?
14:54 jcamins wajasu: I can't duplicate this problem even with broader_headings.
14:47 jcamins wajasu: looks like a problem with the map.
14:46 wajasu jcamins: opinion on this paste
14:46 pastebot "wajasu" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "LinkBibHeadingsToAuthorities behavior for subject headings being auto linked Linker/Default.pm" (45 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/156
14:44 * slef sawtooths
14:44 oleonard Hi wizzyrea
14:44 * wizzyrea waves
14:44 slef moral: check git annotate first :)
14:44 jcamins Ah.
14:44 slef so no point me asking here :)
14:44 slef a problematic interaction with development work
14:44 slef sorry this is my analytic item tyeps
14:43 slef ah it still returns a 0 for an analytic
14:43 jcamins I don't see how this has to do with analytics at all.
14:43 jcamins I think I don't understand the question.
14:43 slef now returns a DateTime
14:43 slef used to return 0 or the actual $datedue
14:43 slef used to return 0 the actual $datedue
14:43 jcamins Item.
14:43 jcamins Right.
14:42 slef AddIssue($borrower, $barcode, [$datedue], [$cancelreserve], [$issuedate])
14:42 jcamins Doesn't AddIssue take an item?
14:42 slef what does AddIssue return for analytics these days?
14:38 jcamins (note: that was just an example based on what you're working on, I didn't do that, because I didn't know about the problem yet)
14:37 jcamins showImageTab and images[]
14:37 jcamins The workaround I came up with is to have two variables.
14:37 * oleonard is looking at why the images tab shows up even when there are no local images
14:36 oleonard That makes sense jcamins, it's your code :)
14:36 jcamins I mean, not because that makes sense, but because I've had that problem in a lot of places.
14:36 jcamins It's what I'd expect.
14:36 eythian that is not what I'd expect
14:36 eythian ah right
14:35 oleonard That is to say, it is empty content-wise but it iterates once.
14:34 eythian that does seem odd
14:34 oleonard Thanks eythian. There must be something weird about this code because the collection is being counted as 1 even when it's empty.
14:26 eythian items.size
14:26 eythian I take that back
14:25 eythian oleonard: IF (items.length != 0) I think
14:22 oleonard No, at least not consistently. I'm confused about how it works with Template::Toolkit
14:22 slef oleonard: does [% IF items %] not work?
14:22 drojf i doubt they will reply at all. but i'd be happy to get proven wrong
14:21 drojf slef: nope, just read your mail
14:21 slef drojf: have they replied?
14:21 oleonard Can someone please remind me, given [% FOREACH i IN items %] [% i %] [% END %] how can I check that "items" has anything in it?
14:21 drojf slef: but they bought all these nice "OSS" domains, how can you demand freedom? :P
14:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8738 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, ASSIGNED , DateTime object being compared to a date string in circulation
14:17 slef Bug 8738
14:13 * slef swears and reports it
14:13 * slef finds "I should report this" in his notes
14:12 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8582 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , NULL issuedates with offline circ
14:12 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8127 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Most Circulated Items not working right
14:12 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6891 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , LDIF interoperability - a proposal
14:12 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8530 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, elliott, NEW , New Data Types for Holidays
14:12 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7899 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, elliott, NEW , Remove C4::Dates from C4::Circulation
14:12 slef @query DateTime
14:01 jenkins_koha * bart.tj: Bug 5327: Testing c4 Images
14:01 jenkins_koha * bart.tj: Bug 5327: Unit tests for C4 socialdata
14:01 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 5327 : Fixing a typo in the test that was causing a false fail
14:01 jenkins_koha * bart.tj: Added tests to installer_perlmodules
14:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5327 major, P3, ---, bart.tj, ASSIGNED , Unit tests required for all C4 modules
14:01 jenkins_koha * bart.tj: Added a mock-db table and tested a line
14:01 jenkins_koha * bart.tj: Added and tested a mock-db tested a couple of features
14:01 jenkins_koha * bart.tj: Bug 5327 Tests for C4::Matcher
14:01 jenkins_koha * bart.tj: Bug 5327 : Added a few more lines of code to the ItemType.t unit test
14:01 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 5327 follow-up: add DBD::Mock dependency
14:01 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #818: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/818/
13:58 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn.
13:58 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #62: "<fallor> is this a known thingy?" (added by gmcharlt at 01:18 PM, February 26, 2010)
13:58 gmcharlt @quote random
13:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3462 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Link see alsos in authorities
13:57 jcamins paul_p_: any chance you could post a screenshot of what you see on bug 3462?
13:44 jcamins paul_p_: incidentally, the UNIMARC data from the sandboxes does not appear to be right- the authorities are all invalid.
13:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3462 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Link see alsos in authorities
13:36 jcamins paul_p_: checking bug 3462.
13:35 jcamins There should be a check to make sure that it doesn't remove the last subfield, then.
13:35 wajasu i printed the marc record as_formatted() before and after.
13:34 jcamins Ah.
13:33 wajasu when i got into the code that auto adds the authorites, it finds/chooses one, and there is a line that does a "map" and before that my 630 field has subtags a, v and such. after the map, the subfield has no subtags at all and no data. just the indicators 00. so we get the error.
13:31 jcamins But I don't know what you're saying the code is doing.
13:31 jcamins That much I got.
13:31 jcamins Right.
13:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8447 critical, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , can't save new records / indicator error
13:31 wajasu i was looking at bug 8447
13:29 jcamins (what you just said to me)
13:29 jcamins wajasu: I have no idea what that means.
13:28 huginn eythian: Karma for "-" has been increased 3 times and decreased 62 times for a total karma of -59.
13:28 eythian @karma -
13:28 huginn eythian: Karma for "C" has been increased 16 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 16.
13:28 eythian @karma C
13:27 huginn jcamins: Karma for "<!" has been increased 8 times and decreased 119 times for a total karma of -111.
13:27 jcamins @karma <!
13:27 wajasu jcamins: think about the linker. i was trying to understand that autolink code and see if one has broader_headings and the code picks some authority records, when it blindly maps it replaces my 630 subfields. with no subfield monikers.
13:27 jcamins paul_p_: I'm heading into the city shortly for non-Koha-related work.
13:27 huginn eythian: Karma for "C4::Search" has been increased 0 times and decreased 31 times for a total karma of -31.
13:27 eythian @karma C4::Search
13:25 slef (heh PFY is listed on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bastard_Operator_From_Hell )
13:24 paul_p_ jcamins = well, remember it's friday. Don't ruin your week end by thinking to C4::Search on friday !!!! ;-)
13:24 slef paul_p_: hire a PFY to understudy the sysop ;)
13:24 wajasu No results.
13:24 paul_p_ slef = thx, our main problem is that our sysop is in holiday (for 2 more weeks). That will wait until he's back I think (unless hdl can take time to investigate)
13:24 jcamins C4::Search--
13:24 jcamins C4::Search--
13:24 jcamins C4::Search--
13:24 jcamins C4::Search--
13:24 jcamins C4::Search--
13:24 jcamins I HATE C4::SEARCH!!!!!
13:23 paul_p_ eythian = yep, Symetric. In our office, we have symetric 10MB connexion + a 10/1 ADSL as fallback
13:23 slef paul_p_: I can see if the co-op's network engineers (we've two, both at other sites today AFAIK) have time to help, if you like.
13:22 tcohen close all those torrent clients paul_p :-P
13:22 paul_p_ we loose connexion for a few seconds, then it's back.
13:22 paul_p_ slef = in fact, we're not sure if it is our SDSL, our router (that has fallback), or our VPN...
13:21 slef paul_p_: got fallback access route?
13:21 slef I wouldn't mind, but I'm not even a Telecon customer. They just have a monopoly on the exchanges, inherited from when the Government Post Office ran the phones.
13:20 slef paul_p_: welcome to my world! Still on mifi until British Telecon get their fingers out next week...
13:19 jcamins Symmetric DSL, I think.
13:18 eythian SDSL?
13:17 paul_p_ BibLibre SDSL => epic fail today !
13:10 jcamins (well, I know it was working in December, but I don't know *exactly* when it worked)
13:10 jcamins The last time I know it worked properly was the beginning of 2011.
13:10 jcamins I'm trying a git bisect, but I don't think I'll be able to finish looking for the problem today.
13:08 paul_p jcamins = but we should ask matts_away (that is in a plane atm)
13:08 paul_p jcamins = I don't think so.
13:08 jcamins In current master, as well as after applying the patch.
13:08 jcamins I am finding that the merge function is broken.
13:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8304 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, matthias.meusburger, Needs Signoff , composed authorities Rameau management
13:08 jcamins paul_p: have you (or anyone else at BibLibre) tested bug 8304 recently?
13:00 jcamins Authority merge is broken in master.
12:56 jenkins_koha Starting build #818 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 2 mo 4 days ago)
12:56 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5327: Testing c4 Images <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2c8f6399b012fd9b1002e3692e80344bacf490bf> / Bug 5327: Unit tests for C4 socialdata <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=92f8480d1691bc1894f5fe6d37598231c944526e> / Bug 5327 : Fixing a typo in the test that was causing a false fail <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2b73673176
12:49 tcohen morning #koha
12:42 eythian heh
12:41 oleonard Reminds me of Toy Story 3 eythian
12:40 eythian http://youtu.be/sgfklKnOg4w <-- song of the day
12:15 oleonard Hi #koha
12:08 * jcamins thought it would be more obvious than it is.
12:08 jcamins Okay... would someone like to tell me how to create a composed heading in UNIMARC?
12:06 paul_p jcamins = other than this, yes, you're right = have a biblio with a composed heading, change an authority used as a "partial" heading in the biblio, and check the merge work well
12:06 jcamins I figure it *probably* is working correctly in UNIMARC, since you have so many libraries using the code.
12:06 jcamins Actually, I'm a lot more concerned about MARC21 than UNIMARC.
12:06 jcamins Yeah, I'm also checking MARC21.
12:05 paul_p jcamins (I suspect the most important thing to do is that it break nothing for MARC21 !)
12:04 jcamins Is that right?
12:04 jcamins I create a bib record with a composed heading, set dontmerge so that Koha will try to update bib records, and change one of the authority records?
12:03 paul_p jcamins OK, throw your question(s)
12:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8304 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, matthias.meusburger, Needs Signoff , composed authorities Rameau management
12:02 jcamins paul_p: I'm looking at bug 8304 at the moment, and wanted to check that I understood the testing plan.
12:01 paul_p jcamins yep
12:00 jcamins_away paul_p: around?
11:35 eythian I ahven't
11:35 slef now really bbl
11:34 slef Laverne, Brooker, Mitchell and Carr - together at last!
11:34 slef Charlie Brooker is very good. Seen any 10 O'Clock Live?
11:33 eythian certainly an interesting show
11:33 slef yep
11:33 eythian ah yes, that's the one with the pig?
11:33 slef eythian: still on mobile internet, a bit jerky BIKWYM. See also Black Mirror - The National Anthem
11:31 eythian http://youtu.be/O6mCUoRYN3Y <-- slef
11:30 * slef goes looking for Form C173 - "Application for CEO to shag combine harvester in photo opportunity"
11:30 wahanui the pdf is is only CHF58.00! http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=41319
11:30 eythian the pdf?
11:30 wahanui the pdf is only $49.00USD! http://www.techstreet.com/standards/niso/z39_93_2007?product_id=1612225
11:30 eythian the pdf?
11:30 wahanui okay, eythian.
11:30 eythian no wahanui, the pdf is only $49.00USD! http://www.techstreet.com/standards/niso/z39_93_2007?product_id=1612225 | is only CHF58.00! http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=41319
11:29 slef bbl
11:29 slef this works better if I can type
11:29 wahanui wajasu's user is running 3.0, and won't upgrade until it works.
11:29 slef wajasu's user?
11:29 slef wjasu's user?
11:28 wahanui i guess magnuse's standard typo is got, i think
11:28 slef magnuse's standard typo?
11:28 wahanui it has been said that Oak_'s internet is too slow... 4-5 KB/s. can't check myself.
11:28 slef Oak_'s internet?
11:28 slef Oak's internet?
11:27 wahanui the pdf is only $49.00USD! http://www.techstreet.com/standards/niso/z39_93_2007?product_id=1612225
11:27 slef the pdf?
11:27 mtompset Have a good day (24 hour period). :)
11:27 mtompset I'm off.
11:27 wahanui it has been said that summer is here now
11:27 slef summer?
11:26 wahanui okay, eythian.
11:26 eythian no wahanui, postfix is found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix (but you probably can skip the SASL stuff) or at http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html
11:26 wahanui eythian: postfix =is= found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix or at http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html
11:26 eythian wahanui: literal postfix
11:26 wahanui slef: sorry...
11:26 slef wahanui: pervert
11:26 wahanui I like *your* figure
11:26 slef wahanui: figures
11:26 wahanui slef: i'm not following you...
11:26 slef wahanui: figrues
11:26 wahanui slef: i'm not following you...
11:25 slef wahanui: share and enjoy!
11:25 wahanui kf should be writing slides
11:25 slef slides?
11:25 wahanui OK, slef.
11:25 slef wahanui: slides are <reply> kf should be writing slides
11:25 wahanui thanks kf :)
11:25 kf wahanui botsnack cookies
11:25 kf :)
11:25 wahanui i don't know, slef
11:25 slef wahanui: slides are what kf should be writing
11:25 mtompset drojf++ # humor regarding a livecd
11:25 wahanui i haven't a clue, slef
11:25 slef wahanui: no, slides are what kf should be writing
11:25 wahanui kf: I forgot slides
11:25 kf forget slides
11:24 kf next event now
11:24 kf that was for the workshop
11:24 wahanui ...but wahanui is a bot|a repository of important and useful and accurate information or at least partially slow....
11:24 slef wahanui: you are excused
11:24 kf lol
11:24 wahanui slef: excuse me?
11:24 slef wahanui: traitor!
11:24 wahanui slides is probably kf has written her slides.
11:24 slef slides?
11:23 mtompset slef++ # getting wahanui to play nicer over postfix URLs
11:23 mtompset slef++ # eric cartman reference
11:20 eythian good enough :)
11:20 wahanui postfix is, like, found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix or at http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html
11:20 eythian wahanui: postfix
11:20 wahanui eythian: huh?
11:20 eythian wahanui: postifx
11:19 kf all ok :)
11:19 wahanui okay, slef.
11:19 slef wahanui: postfix is also at http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html
11:19 kf I was misreading something
11:19 paul_p kf = i'm back from lunch
11:19 wahanui ...but postfix is found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix...
11:19 eythian wahanui: postfix is http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html
11:18 slef err without the content
11:18 slef oh yeah - it's a framed bounce to http://opensource-ils.cci.utk.edu/content/
11:18 kf that irritates me :)
11:18 kf ah, for me the url stays the same on each site
11:17 slef kf: hmm? I can, but I don't allow random sites to run javascripts ;)
11:17 kf hm
11:16 kf slef: I like how you can't copy the url of a page
11:15 slef but that's a whole 'nother argument
11:15 slef I also like the way opensourceils wants to set cookies from adserver.yahoo.com
11:14 slef ;)
11:13 slef But we're the biggest English-speaking country in the EU, so you will respect mah authoritah!
11:13 slef That's probably UK-specific jargon though.
11:13 slef I think if the answers are yes and no, then it's a trading fund, else it's a state agency.
11:12 slef do you have to break even and can the ministry instruct anyone other than the managing director/CEO/chef/whatever?
11:11 kf maybe :)
11:11 slef I think
11:11 slef ah, state agency
11:11 kf our homepage states: The BSZ is a facility in the business area of the Ministry of Science, Research and Art (Ministerium für Wissenschaft, Forschung und Kunst) of Baden-Württemberg in the legal form of a dependent public agency, headquartered in Constance.
11:10 slef kf: I'm sure there is an EU dictionary of official public body types somewhere... but I don't really want to find it ;)
11:10 kf hm not sure how to translate that really
11:09 slef kf: I did but I don't remember if you are a ministry department, a trading fund or a state agency or what so I put it vaguely to avoid being wrong :)
11:09 eythian slef: thanks for the correction, now I know! :)
11:08 kf at least I guess you meant us :)
11:08 kf slef: thx for thinking about us - and for writing the mail
11:08 slef eythian: no, Catalyst are "others" less important than the co-op and just above OpenLX, clearly ;)
11:08 kf oh never mind
11:08 kf paul_p: have a question about the rm newsletter :)
11:07 kf paul_p: around?
11:06 eythian gitg looks nicer
11:05 Barrc1 gitg
11:05 eythian gitk
11:05 Barrc1 Yes, I see. Cool - I will fire it up and feel more of my brain melt out through me ears! ----runs from git.....
11:04 slef there's a gui one I think but it requires tk and X which sometimes aren't installed on servers
11:04 slef "draws a character-mode graph showing the branch structure and displays it through your pager"
11:03 slef Barrc1: it's an alias
11:03 slef eythian: Barrc1: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Tips_and_tricks#Git_aliases_to_simplify_command_tasks
11:03 Barrc1 slef: thanks. Is that a hook?
11:02 wahanui git is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git
11:02 slef wahanui: git?
11:02 wahanui i don't know, slef
11:02 slef wahanui: git gr?
11:02 eythian what does '"git gr" on the wiki' mean?
11:01 slef Barrc1: "git gr" on the wiki may help you visualise it
10:59 eythian it's a bit of a learning curve, but it makes a lot of sense once you realise it's all just graph theory ;)
10:58 Barrc1 eythian: Thanks - still struggling with git, to be honest!
10:58 eythian Barrc1: start with master and apply the patch onto that. Fix conflicts, and do some testing, and it should be about right
10:56 Barrc1 Can anyone suggest how I would go about picking up a git branch (that was initially started on older code). So, I started something back in 3.4 (it was signed off but failed qa) but I'd like to finish it now, but current is 3.8x?
10:56 eythian And I'd certainly consider Catalyst a major vendor, especially in NZ :)
10:55 eythian slef: that UTK thing is annoying. Clearly well meaning, but not understanding (which is sorta not unexpected: it's a complex thing, that's why you should get someone to proof-read it before release)
10:54 eythian because it takes about two months for that to happen
10:53 eythian slef: I've not seen one that wasn't wildly out of date
10:53 slef yeah I was trying to find the link to the live images... where are they?
10:52 * slef adds his boot to those on UTK
10:49 eythian heh
10:49 drojf *hides*
10:49 drojf let's have a livecd for that!
10:48 eythian there's no description for the layman, because setting up a mail server requires some degree of specialist knowledge.
10:47 eythian no, in correct speak
10:47 mtompset in geek speak.
10:46 eythian dpkg-reconfigure postfix gives fairly detailed descriptions of the options
10:44 mtompset is there a "postfix for dummies: click through to get told what do to guide"?
10:44 eythian then you modify /etc/aliases to point to you
10:43 mtompset Exactly my problem.
10:43 drojf i only tried it once and the university postmaster said i'm ddos-ing his servers.
10:43 mtompset except the attempts I have made have ended up spamming the administrator account of our host.
10:42 eythian ...and that's most of what you need to set up an MTA.
10:41 mtompset I know a machine, a port... and ugly mail formating through perl calls.
10:41 mtompset not if I don't understand any MTA.
10:40 eythian if you can write a perl script to do it, you can configure a real MTA to do it.
10:40 mtompset I just don't know how to configure nullmailer to do the same.
10:40 eythian that's a terrible idea
10:40 mtompset Thing is... I hacked a perl script to mail things.
10:38 eythian if you know how your email server is to be set up, then you spend two seconds answering questions and it works. If you don't know how it's set up, no amount of config files are going to help.
10:38 eythian drojf: that's really just cargo culting though
10:37 drojf mtompset: maybe this is of interest http://paste.koha-community.org/145
10:37 eythian possibly
10:37 mtompset hosting company?
10:36 eythian mtompset: ask your network administrator
10:35 drojf i think i'll wait for the hover board
10:33 drojf eythian: i just saw that :D
10:32 mtompset That's my problem. I don't know the answers in my context.
10:32 eythian http://www.complex.com/tech/2011/10/the-delorean-re-enters-production-in-2013-goes-electric <-- drojf, mtompset
10:32 eythian and integrated into the rest of the network
10:32 eythian it totally depends on how your server is to be set up.
10:32 eythian mtompset: there is not really one answer to the questions, that's why it asks them
10:31 eythian actually, if you're doing a fresh install, you don't need the reconfigure
10:31 mtompset Yes, and then I don't know how to answer any of the questions.
10:31 eythian mtompset: sudo apt-get install postfix && sudo dpkg-reconfigure postfix
10:31 mtompset At this point in time, we aren't using mail.
10:31 koyauni ok, the googe apps for my server is set up and it is working,
10:31 mtompset If someone can point me to a nice set of instructions for setting up email under Ubuntu that would be nice.
10:30 eythian you need to tell your server how to send email
10:30 eythian koyauni: those instructions are for git, not for koha
10:26 koyauni and we have our apps attached to the main domain that koha uses
10:26 koyauni well the google apps is setup for our server
10:25 koyauni we have our mailing system on google apps, do I do this steeing for our koha in Debian please http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git#Set_up_a_SMTP_server
10:25 wahanui drojf: I forgot hi #koha,
10:25 drojf wahanui forget hi #KOHA,
10:25 kf koyauni: if the server can send email, Koha can
10:25 kf koyauni: you don't set it up in Koha - it's on the server
10:24 wahanui kf: I forgot #koha
10:24 kf forget #KOHA
10:24 kf hm
10:24 wahanui kf, I didn't have anything matching hi #koha
10:24 kf wahanui forget hi #KOHA
10:22 koyauni any idea if I have to set up SMTP in new installed Koha please
10:22 wahanui hi #KOHA, is there an entry on the wiki for holdings data in post-3.2 versions of koha?
10:22 koyauni hi #KOHA,
10:22 mtompset The INSTALL.{OS} file only exists in the tarball or git.
10:21 mtompset there is no INSTALL.{OS} file.
10:21 mtompset installing koha-common tells the person to read README.Debian in /usr/share/doc/koha-common
10:20 wahanui i think packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
10:20 mtompset packages.
10:20 mtompset I just thought of a reason why the Wiki and INSTALL.{OS} file would be different.
09:38 * mtompset sees a DeLorean drive up and whisk drojf off. ;)
09:36 mtompset ^he^the^
09:36 drojf :)
09:36 mtompset See you in he future. ;)
09:36 drojf which oddly reminds me that my present should be writing a paper about history. damn. see you later
09:35 kf good one drojf
09:35 drojf part of understanding history is to understand that it is history, not the present
09:35 mtompset 6.3 does have a default of 5.10 for perl.
09:35 mtompset Well, installing 5.8 when there is a 6.3 is a bad idea. ;)
09:34 rangi http://search.cpan.org/~gugod/App-perlbrew-0.50/lib/App/perlbrew.pm
09:32 rangi no matter how crazy you are, that is just a bad idea
09:31 rangi theres no reason to ever install a version with known security issues
09:31 rangi yes, but you can just use homebrew to install 5.10
09:31 mtompset Perl 5.8.8 is the default
09:30 rangi why?
09:30 mtompset And yes, I know 3.4.x is not supported, but if I was wild and crazy, and wanted to run something on CentOS 5.8 (which is supported), it would have to be 3.4.x
09:29 mtompset Understanding history is important so that improvements, not fallbacks are made.
09:28 kf mtompset: people shouldn't be installing older versions, is it really important?
09:27 rangi nothing, squeeze has been around a while
09:26 mtompset So, what were the repos called before oldstable and squeeze?
09:24 mtompset experimental 3.0, testing 3.2, production 3.4
09:24 magnuse that's probably the best answer you will get, mtompset :-)
09:23 rangi weve been using them in production since 3.4
09:22 magnuse it was experimental at that stage, not sure when it "got serious"
09:20 mtompset That would mean as early as 3.0
09:18 magnuse mtompset: see this from may 2010: http://koha-community.org/new-debian-apt-repository-for-experimental-koha-packages/
09:16 mveron hi kf
09:15 mtompset What Koha version introduced packages? 3.4?
09:13 kf hm dare to...
09:12 kf you wouldn't date to :P
09:05 magnuse yeah drojf++
09:05 drojf how could i disobey the will of the mighty chair? ;)
09:03 kf drojf: it was an excellent idea to volunteer you to write that mail ;)
09:02 kf and morning mveron
09:02 kf drojf++
08:40 * mveron fetches coffee
08:39 mveron Hi drojf :-)
08:37 drojf good morning mveron
08:21 mtompset Right at the top. With nice links.
08:21 mveron Good morning #koha :-)
08:21 mtompset ...Koha and this isn't for a production environment, consider installing a git version. Git is a version control system. Try to learn version control using git!"
08:21 mtompset "There are three ways to install Koha: packages, tarball, and git. These instructions focus on the tarball installation, however the use of packages is the recommended method. Packages effectively have done most of the difficult work listed below. You can read the Debian package instructions for information on how to do that. If you are able to assist with the development and improvement of...
08:20 mtompset I have on the wiki.
08:20 rangi or at least strongly discourage people from installing from tarball
08:19 rangi there really is no reason to do a tarball install on ubuntu or debian, packages or git .. tarball instruction for the distributions that cant use packages
08:19 magnuse nah, keep the typos, i say!
08:18 rangi but not in the INSTALL.ubuntu file
08:18 rangi yes
08:18 mtompset They have minor usefulness to those not using debian based systems.
08:18 mtompset We don't want to lose them.
08:17 mtompset But where will the tarball instructions go?
08:17 mtompset Yes, packages is best.
08:17 mtompset Well, here's the problem.
08:16 rangi yeah a wall of text is awesome
08:16 mtompset tarball last.
08:16 mtompset Git second.
08:15 mtompset Packages first.
08:15 mtompset No, it needs to have ALL three methods.
08:15 drojf lol rangi
08:15 rangi but spelt correctly
08:15 rangi Use the packagages
08:15 rangi id like to rewrite that to be 1 line
08:15 mtompset I just know, for example, that I (and perhaps tcohen), would like to keep the INSTALL.ubuntu documentation clean.
08:14 mtompset Though nengard for docs is a good choice. :)
08:14 mtompset That's the sort of idea(s) I wanted to bounce around.
08:13 mtompset Perhaps it doesn't need to be a new role, but under the manager overall?
08:13 mtompset is responsible for installation documents?
08:12 mtompset I suppose which manager (doesn't really matter, because some are the same)
08:12 drojf we have managers for documentation of use and db. do you propose the role of an nstallation documentation manager?
08:12 mtompset The discussions about having the INSTALL.{OS} files convertable from the Wiki pages.
08:11 mtompset And we have Use documentation.
08:11 mtompset We have DB documentation.
08:10 mtompset I see we have Installation documentation.
08:10 mtompset Not sure. whether logical or physical.
08:10 drojf mtompset: for the roles (documentation manager…) or the documentation itself?
08:09 magnuse documentation heirarchy?
08:01 mtompset I didn't make it to the meeting. I was thinking a documentation heirarchy might be useful. ;)
08:00 drojf ok great, less work :)
08:00 magnuse drojf: the wiki page should be authoritative
08:00 kf i haven#t seen proposals only on the list
08:00 kf hm I think it's up to date
08:00 drojf kf: cool :)
07:59 drojf kf: do i assume proposals/ applications for 3.12 roles on the wiki are up to date or should i read the logs of the last meeting to see if somebody volunteered for something and is not in the list?
07:59 kf will show you what I have as soon as there is something
07:59 kf drojf: I started a mindmap for the presentation yesterday
07:58 magnuse kf and drojf: cool!
07:58 * kf growls at her outlook for forgetting the settings for the 10th time
07:58 * paul_p writting RM newsletter with deadlines now
07:57 paul_p GBSD on 14th is a good idea
07:57 drojf magnuse: local "day of the libraries" for berlin/brandenburg. i think we are the only ones talking about a certain piece of software
07:57 kf magnuse: smaller part of a bigger thing
07:54 Joubu hello
07:53 magnuse stand alone event, or part of something bigger?
07:53 * mtompset grins, "Might as well as keep the theme."
07:53 magnuse kf: cool
07:52 wahanui rumour has it weekend is partyin', partyin', partyin' YAH
07:52 mtompset weekend?
07:52 wahanui i think friday is It's Friday, Friday Gotta get down on Friday
07:52 mtompset friday?
07:51 wahanui weekend is near!
07:51 mtompset weekend?
07:51 kf drojf and me have a koha even to run on saturday in berlin :)
07:51 kf create branches for stuff I want to test for example, then I only need a little bit of internet connection now and then
07:51 kf I can prepare :)
07:51 kf but it's ok
07:50 kf trapped in an ice for a few hours
07:50 kf yep
07:49 magnuse you will spend the day on a train?
07:46 kf it might still be a good idea to have it friday
07:46 kf and conf on thursday
07:46 kf well
07:46 kf I mean lots of time, but probably lousy internet connection...
07:46 kf ugh
07:46 kf oh right
07:46 kf I would send a mail maybe after you explained the deadlines?
07:45 drojf kf: squashing on the train to berlin?
07:45 kf we were discussing to have another gbsd on friday 14th
07:45 kf morning paul_p
07:45 kf magnuse: friday is ok with me
07:38 magnuse hiya paul_p
07:38 wahanui friday is It's Friday, Friday Gotta get down on Friday
07:38 magnuse friday?
07:38 paul_p good morning #koha
07:38 magnuse friday is pizzaday!
07:38 wahanui friday is probably It's Friday, Friday Gotta get down on Friday
07:38 magnuse kf: how about friday?
07:35 mtj magnuse, cool - heya cait :)
07:34 magnuse hm, start of the week is bad for me personally. friday?
07:34 magnuse yeah, that did the trick, thanks a ton mtj
07:32 kf but you pick the date!
07:32 mtj $ export PERL5LIB=/home/magnus/scripts/koha-qa-tools:"${PERL5LIB}"
07:32 kf k
07:32 kf o
07:32 kf I should have known you would make me :)
07:32 magnuse hehe
07:32 kf ugh
07:32 magnuse kf: excellent idea! want to send out an email?
07:31 mtj so, $ export PERL5LIB=/path/to/your/dir:"${PERL5LIB}"
07:29 mtj not a command itself
07:29 mtj magnuse, declare was the *output* of my export command
07:29 mtompset kf++ # great idea, in my opinion. :)
07:28 kf if yes, maybe should be next week, to give enough time for qa?
07:28 kf hi magnuse - if you got time later - should we organise a bug squashing day before the freeze date? 22nd?
07:28 mtompset Greetings, again, #koha. I think the ants in the external harddrive have been dealt with.
07:27 magnuse gives me this: bash: declare: `/home/magnus/scripts/kohadev=/home/magnus/scripts/kohadev:/home/magnus/scripts/koha-qa-tools/': not a valid identifier
07:27 magnuse hm, this: $ declare -x $PERL5LIB="/home/magnus/scripts/kohadev:/home/magnus/scripts/koha-qa-tools/"
07:24 magnuse hiya kf
07:24 kf hi drojf and magnuse
07:24 magnuse thanks mtj, will try
07:23 drojf moin kf :)
07:20 kf good morning #koha
07:20 kf hi mtj :)
07:18 mtj hiya gaetan_B :)
07:17 mtj im sure there's a to fix that, i just havent got roundtuit yet..
07:17 gaetan_B hello
07:15 mtj declare -x PERL5LIB="/home/mason/git/head:/home/mason/git/head/C4/SIP:/home/mason/git/public/koha-qa-tools"
07:15 mtj mason@xen1:~$ export |grep LIB
07:15 mtj magnuse, its a perl5lib thing....
07:09 drojf magnuse: do you have that file? it's in git at least https://github.com/KohaAloha/koha-qa-tools/blob/master/QohA/Git.pm
07:03 magnuse hm, trying to run mtj's qa tools, but i'm just getting "Can't locate QohA/Git.pm in @INC" - anyone got a cure for that?
06:55 drojf good morning #koha
06:49 * magnuse waves his hands in the air like a crazy person
06:36 wahanui hey, reiveune
06:36 reiveune hello
06:27 mtompset Just noticed ants coming out of my external hard drive.
06:27 mtompset Looks like I need to go...
06:27 mtompset bonjour, alex_a1
06:19 cait bbl :)
06:19 cait ... and time to leave
06:15 mtompset Not a problem. It's morning for you. I understand.
06:14 cait only explaining why not being very communicative this morning
06:14 cait shout write it down? uhoh
06:14 mtompset No, I was just trying to see what wahanui thought.
06:14 cait mtompset: sorry, getting ready for work and all
06:13 wahanui That's Ms. Cait to you! or in a very good mood today :) or a librarian, you will get wahanui's information or a hero or signing off on wahanui's patch :) or confused, that's why i am asking, and we shout write it down somewhere
06:13 mtompset cait?
06:13 cait heh
06:13 wahanui matts_away is leaving the party :)
06:13 mtompset matts_away?
06:13 wahanui matts is his nick
06:13 mtompset matts?
06:09 huginn mtompset: Quote #101: "<darling> I still need to catch up with current Koha. Is pretty dreamy already." (added by gmcharlt at 02:44 AM, October 29, 2010)
06:09 mtompset @quote random
06:09 mtompset why?
06:08 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn.
06:08 huginn mtompset: Quote #5: "<jwagner> Why is it every Koha rock I turn over produces a zillion (metaphorical) ants, each with a new question????" (added by kf at 01:13 PM, June 12, 2009)
06:08 mtompset @quote random
06:08 huginn mtompset: Quote #17: "<wizzyrea> holy flaming bacon batman!" (added by jdavidb at 09:40 PM, July 17, 2009)
06:08 mtompset @quote random
06:07 mtompset mbalmer?
06:07 mbalmer hehe, tnx!
06:07 wahanui mtompset: I forgot mbalmer
06:07 mtompset wahanui forget mbalmer
06:07 wahanui mtompset: I forgot @
06:07 mtompset Forget the @
06:07 huginn mbalmer: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
06:07 mbalmer @wahanui forget mbalmer
06:06 mtompset It's still set. :)
06:06 wahanui DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS!
06:06 mtompset mbalmer?
06:06 mtompset Greetings, mbalmer.
06:06 mtompset I was hoping someone on the channel could confirm they have the same problem. :)
06:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8737 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Incorrect icon at login in staff client
06:05 mtompset Well, I just fixed a bug related to them. bug 8737
06:04 mbalmer hello cait, #koha
06:04 cait morning mbalmer
05:59 cait noone asked for it so far
05:58 mtompset I guess icons aren't such a big thing compared to logos. ;)
05:45 cait mtompset: no
05:43 halcyonCorsair ah got it
05:41 halcyonCorsair where can i search and download natlib records?
05:38 mtompset cait, do you use a different favorite icon than the default koha one?
05:36 halcyonCorsair rangi: woot http://50.19.36.178:8080 first ec2/chef provisioned koha instance
05:34 halcyonCorsair my brain has gone to mush...the code should be owned by the koha user, yes?
05:23 bag Death is inevitable and is everyone's destiny"
05:23 bag "Go your way. The morning tide is for you; the evening tide is for me
05:15 cait perhaps it's in the logs somewhere
05:12 cait yeah
05:12 bag they would know
05:12 wahanui I LIKE ALMONDS! HAVE SOME NUTS!
05:12 bag rangi?
05:12 wahanui DeM KraZy NutZ!!
05:12 bag mtj?
05:12 bag I mean I don't remember
05:12 bag it fails me right now
05:11 mtompset What does that mean?
05:11 mtompset Haere. MÅu tai ata; mÅku tai ahiahi
05:11 mtompset To ruin a good Bogart line, "You'll always have 3.4.0"
05:10 cait it was a good release and a good name for it
05:09 bag that's my favorite release - I think koha should have stopped :)
05:08 mtompset memoriam?! oh my.
05:07 bag meh is right
05:07 cait part of my distance study, it's only one course
05:07 bag law homework!
05:06 bag http://koha-community.org/koha-3-4-0-released/
05:06 * cait starts working on her it law homework - meh
05:06 bag yeah mtompset our first daughter is acutally the only one to have a koha release dedicated to her :)
05:06 bag heh
05:06 mtompset ha za! I found an even better solution, I think,.
05:05 cait lol
05:05 mtompset (talking about the few shots of daddy)
05:05 cait you know, she is a girl ..
05:04 mtompset I wish my facial hair looked that good. Mine is so uncontrollable.
05:03 cait I don't see fangs or scales, so all good
05:02 bag that's our rainbow baby - dragon (it's the year of the dragon)
05:02 bag hey thanks :)
05:02 mtompset Loved the sunglasses and the tongue sticking out a bit. ;)
05:02 mtompset looks like an angel.
05:02 cait my day only started, so it's an early joke
05:01 bag at least I got one laugh
05:01 bag alright that was my joke for the day :)
05:01 bag well not actively :)
05:01 cait heh
05:01 bag good cause I don't post there :)
05:00 cait hm not really
05:00 bag are you on facebook?
05:00 bag bummer
04:59 cait it happens often when rangi shares links with me too... they are quite strict here :(
04:59 cait about the video?
04:58 bag well that's a bummer
04:58 bag awwwwhhh thanks cait
04:57 bag yeah it's got music on it
04:57 cait I saw some photos somewhere and she looked super cute
04:57 bag oh
04:57 cait because of the music
04:57 bag oh man
04:57 cait GEMA is blocking it for me
04:57 cait I woud love to - but I can't :(
04:57 bag that's the dragon :)
04:57 bag hey cait have you seen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scEuQfR4G-Q&feature=plcp
04:56 bag yeah
04:56 cait I am still missing having eythian around
04:56 bag heh
04:56 cait ok, you are welcome :)
04:55 bag I'm ready to move to germany and convince a library there :)
04:55 bag yeah cait I have not talked one library into using it.. And I've tried on 500+ libraries in the US
04:54 cait not sure it would work here
04:54 cait and then we wil lhave to rename everything!
04:54 bag I love - love - suspension in days and try to talk every librarian here into using that instead of money fines
04:54 cait they will find another term
04:53 bag remove term - fines - from all librarians heads
04:53 cait maybe we should go for fixing the feature instead
04:53 bag I was running on the "knows the term"
04:53 cait lol
04:53 bag *sigh* I wish I could brainwash every librarian - into believing that charging fines are/is stupid
04:50 mtompset -- every librarian or person who is versed in the geekdom of librarihood knows the term. ;)
04:48 bag everyone knows the term - but few hardly use it
04:48 bag yeah same here
04:48 bag heh
04:48 cait but I think in our other project we had only 1 or 2 libraries actually using it
04:47 cait people here ask about EDIFACT sometimes
04:47 bag :)
04:47 bag agreed
04:47 cait using the currency configuration in Koha sounds like it would make sense
04:47 bag cait: it works for all of their examples :)
04:46 cait ah cool
04:45 * cait goes to check her inbox :)
04:45 bag heh
04:45 bag ah cait just hhit submit on my comments
04:44 cait bag: cool :)
04:33 bag I've got some feedback - so I'll post that soon. And I'll work with a few book vendors here to see if the edifact order results - work for them :)
04:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7736 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mark.gavillet, Needs Signoff , Edifact QUOTE and ORDER functionality
04:32 bag I had some success with bug 7736 today
04:28 halcyonCorsair hello
04:28 bag :)
04:27 mtompset Greetings, halcyonCorsair bag cait.
04:09 cait hi bag
04:09 bag heya cait
04:09 wahanui somebody said evening was better for me - but not too late
04:09 bag evening
03:21 rangi sweet
03:21 halcyonCorsair rangi: trying out a one-hit ec2 koha provision now :)
02:54 mtompset After multiple runs, the ones that keep failing to be reindexed are very likely data problems.
02:54 mtompset Give that script a whirl.
02:53 mtompset So if you get a malformed tag or can't read whole MARC record type error.
02:53 mtompset I didn't have any bad data, just zebra was totally barfing on me.
02:52 mtompset This script helped solve problems.
02:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6566 enhancement, P3, ---, christophe.croullebois, Pushed to Master , Checking if DB records are properly indexed
02:52 mtompset bug 6566
02:52 mtompset mtj, I had some massive headaches with a reindex yesterday.
02:31 mtj ah, click… :) -f
02:30 mtj koha-rebuild-zebra, is for reindexing...
02:29 mtj so , how to index zebra, using the packages , on 3.6.x
02:18 chesterbarut ok, will try it, a lot of thanks guys, (rangi) for the help, hope it will work
02:17 rangi somethign like that anyway, in the database will fix it
02:17 rangi update systempreferences set value='1000000' where variable='timeout'
02:16 wajasu i got burned on that once
02:16 rangi 1d gets evaluated as 1 second
02:16 rangi it can only take numeric values
02:16 rangi the help there is lies
02:15 rangi you will need to edit it back to integer value in the database
02:15 chesterbarut so what can we do to fix it
02:15 rangi thats the problem, that wont work
02:15 wajasu maybe a blind "map" is too naive
02:15 chesterbarut we just change the default time out (in seconds) to a day
02:14 wajasu i have a subhect heading field 630, with a, p, v subfieds. but after the link, the 630 field has nothing (no a, p, v subfield monikers), so the broadly matched authority record trashed this 630 field, so i get the indicators issue.
02:13 rangi you didnt do something like set the timeout really really low or something did you?
02:13 rangi logout and login again and try again
02:12 chesterbarut koha 3.8.4, when i change any of the system pref, and save it, this is what prompts "error; your data might not have been saved"
02:10 wajasu looking at AutoAddAuthorities with authority generate on. AND broader_headings.
02:06 rangi and what exactly is happening ... you are trying to save a system preference?
02:06 rangi what version of koha are you using
02:06 rangi you havent explained your problem well enough for us to help
02:06 huginn rangi: downloading the Perl source
02:06 rangi huginn is a bot and wasn't answering you
02:02 chesterbarut hi hugginn how can i fix those bug (broken themes), tnx
01:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8622 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Koha themes broken
01:57 mtompset I figured out those comments are jcamins_away's doing. ;) bug 8622
01:57 mtompset Sorry, not sure if I can help.
01:54 chesterbarut hi newbie to koha community, i have an error on my pref, can't save what i have change, kind of a 'lock' , appreciate any help, tnx
01:51 mtompset There's a comment saying the section wasn't deleted so the people that needed to know would know how we shimmed this.
01:50 mtj sounds like a bug
01:50 mtompset oops... section.
01:46 mtompset Master has that second of code commented out.
01:45 mtompset Oh, so much for that idea.
01:42 mtompset Unless C4::Context->preference calls are considered too intensive to have both. ;)
01:40 mtompset I could put in a "is_intranet" checking and only define one or the other, but I said... 2 lines of code, more lines of code... forget the checking!
01:39 mtompset Though, that probably means removing the params() calls with them in other code.
01:38 mtompset Expressly defined the IntranetFavicon and OpacFavicon values in the gettemplate call.
01:37 mtompset Actually, I prefer the option of patching C4::Template. :)
01:37 mtompset Oh, never mind. I'm a little slow. :)
01:37 mtompset wrong channel?
01:36 mtj i think you are probably safe, but take a backup first, please!!!
01:07 mtompset I have the staff client favorite icon setting filled in, but the login screen isn't using it.
01:06 mtompset If I am using packages is it okay to replace "/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/includes/favicon.ico"?
01:04 mtompset This favorite icon bug is annoying me.
01:02 mtompset Wow that was a quick in and out. :)
00:50 rangi its usually quiet this time of day, all the europeans asleep most north americans finished their working day
00:49 rangi yep
00:40 idreambooks anyone here?
00:40 idreambooks hello
00:10 mtompset The reboot was purposefully triggered... The services not starting was annoying.
00:09 mtompset How annoying. A reboot and mysql, apache, and koha-common services didn't start.