Time Nick Message 00:11 Judit morning 00:11 Judit did you know there is a facebook page for koha community? http://www.facebook.com/KOHA.COMMUNITY 00:41 rangi no i didnt 00:41 rangi cool! 00:42 rangi looks like its for the place KOHA not Koha the ILS :) 00:43 rangi in malaysia 00:45 Judit there is akoha community cafe in victoria- again on facebook 01:50 Judit http://www.facebook.com/pages/Koha-Community-Cafe/323847370751 01:51 rangi cool 02:10 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails How does a patch marked enhancement take to get into master http://t.co/ZF4GxCAx" 02:18 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 04:24 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ranginui: "@3TomatoesShort we are working on integrating https://t.co/14Czoo9M with #kohails (you can use username/password now of course)" 05:00 mtompset Greetings, cait 05:00 cait hi mtompset :) 05:02 mtompset Looks like I get to work on my Koha bugs today. 05:09 cait :) 05:10 mbalmer guten morgen! 05:12 cait guten morgen :) 05:12 mtompset Greetings, mbalmer. 05:23 mtompset Question... does the copyright date have to have a period on the end? 05:24 mtompset Do you know, cait? 05:24 cait hm not sure I have the right answer 05:25 cait if you stick to the standard very strictly - I think so 05:25 cait needs a period 05:25 cait but I think Koha doesn't care much if you don't 05:25 cait it's more a matter of display than of anything else 05:38 mtompset So, the next question... 05:39 mtompset Why do some have MARC displaying c1999. 05:39 mtompset and some only have 2001? 05:39 mtompset Where are the "c" and "." coming from? 05:39 mtompset because even in 3.6.3 the copyrightdate is numeric only. 05:40 cait copyright 05:40 cait period because of the standard 05:40 cait isbd punctuation 05:40 cait and that is in marc, the other is the database 05:40 cait the marcxml has c1999., the copyright column in the database has 1999 normalized 05:41 mtompset AH... so if the copyright column is null, it pulls it from the marcxml? 05:41 mtompset That makes sense in a bizarre way! 05:42 cait hm no not really 05:42 cait it depends on where you are looking 05:42 cait which information koha pulls 05:42 cait it's not exactly falling back afaik 05:44 mtompset well, there is a "normal" "marc" "labeled marc" etc. tabs on the left, I choose MARC after having done a search. 05:44 mtompset Go to the '2', so I can see 2XX fields. 05:44 mtompset And look at 260$a and 260$c. 05:46 mtompset sometimes I see c####. in 260$c, and sometimes I don't. 05:46 mtompset I just did a random search now, and found ####. 05:46 mtompset No c, just a period. 05:48 cait yes 05:48 cait that's about cataloguing not koha 05:49 cait marc21 standard 05:49 cait http://loc.gov/marc 05:49 mib_h4c4fn hey :) 05:52 cait hi mib_h4c4fn 05:54 mib_h4c4fn hey i have some questions about Call Number 05:54 mib_h4c4fn =LDR ,=008 ,=020$a ,=041$a ,=100$a ,=245$a ,=260$a ,=260$b ,=260$c ,=300$a, =942$e 05:55 mib_h4c4fn i have records with these tags and i want to generate Call Numbers for them with the marc edit tool 05:56 cait mib_h4c4fn: sorry, I don't know marcedit well enough here 05:56 cait maybe look for a function to copy from oen field into another 05:56 cait marcedit doesn't run on linux, so I can't use it 05:56 mib_h4c4fn its that i dont have the call numbers i want to generate them 05:57 mib_h4c4fn so beside marc edit is there any way? 06:09 mtompset What do you mean you don't have the call numbers? You should know what they are, but they aren't in your MARC file, right? 06:11 mtompset I think... what was they tutorial link posted here yesterday? 06:11 mtompset irc logs? 06:11 wahanui irc logs are http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ 06:12 mtompset http://bywatersolutions.com/2012/01/18/using-marcedit-to-add-koha-items/ 06:12 mtompset Maybe this video will help? 06:12 mtompset I'm not really familiar with MarcEdit either. 06:15 mtompset You were right, cait. It doesn't fall back. It uses the marcxml to display/edit in that particular tab. 06:15 mtompset It uses copyrightdate to display elsewhere. 06:35 mtompset bonjour, sophie_m hdl :) 06:35 sophie_m hi mtompset :-) 06:36 mtompset Is there a way to batch edit the marcxml? 06:42 cait brb 06:47 drojf good morning #koha 07:01 Joubu hello #koha 07:02 ala_3vo hi #koha, how do you do upgrade of koha? 07:04 ala_3vo This is upgrading koha-common on debian squeeze. 07:04 francharb hi #koha 07:04 drojf ala_3vo: what version? 07:04 drojf bonjour francharb 07:04 ala_3vo koha 3.6 to current version 07:05 francharb guten tag drojf ;) 07:05 ala_3vo I believe the current version is 3.9 07:05 drojf ala_3vo: the normal upgrade like with other packages. apt-get update; apt-get upgrade. or maybe apt-get dist-upgrade 07:06 ala_3vo can I just apt-get install koha-common? 07:06 drojf no, you already have it installed 07:06 drojf so that won't work 07:06 drojf 3.8 is the latest version btw 07:07 drojf you should keep your system up to date anyway, so you should upgrade everything, not just the koha package 07:07 ala_3vo I have tried installing koha-common and have got koha 3.9 07:07 gaetan_B hello 07:07 drojf ala_3vo: that is the database version probably, the package should be 3.8.something 07:09 drojf ala_3vo: do "sudo apt-get update". after that is run through, do "sudo apt-get upgrade". if you get a message that koha-common was held back, do "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade". 07:09 drojf that should get you to the latest koha version 07:09 drojf and an up to date system in general 07:12 ala_3vo thanks drojf, I'll try that out. 07:12 * magnuse waves from his little cabin in the woods 07:13 drojf hei magnuse 07:13 magnuse hiya drojf 07:22 mtompset Greetings, drojf and magnuse 07:23 mtompset Greetings, gaetan_B 07:23 drojf hey mtompset 07:23 wahanui i guess mtompset is currently in the Philippines and is coding up a bash script storm in the midst of seasonal typhoons. 07:23 mtompset Greetings, Joubu 07:23 gaetan_B greetings mtompset :) 07:23 mtompset It would be funnier and cooler to use 'and salutations', gaetan_B. ;) 07:24 rangi evening 07:25 mtompset afternoon, rangi. ;) 07:25 drojf hi rangi 07:25 rangi ala_3vo: if you are getting 3.9 then you need to check your sources.list you might have the development repository .. it shoulld be squeeze not squeeze-dev 07:26 * mtompset is aware it is evening where you are. It's afternoon here. :) 07:26 magnuse hiya mtompset gaetan_B rangi 07:28 gaetan_B hello magnuse :) 07:29 gaetan_B ah mtompset, so what would it be where you are ? selamat something ? 07:29 mtompset Magandang hapon. 07:30 mtompset But I'm Canadian, so I'll take English. :) 07:32 drojf rangi: oh yes, forgot about a possible -dev package 07:33 mtompset Salamat is thank you. 07:33 mtompset However, depending on relationship closeness and/or age differences, you usually add "po" to show respect. 07:34 drojf so our translation po-files are very respectful? i like that 07:35 mtompset That is a thought that crossed my mind when I first saw that. 07:35 drojf :) 07:36 mtompset But after getting frustrated with them one day, I considered the possibility that they missed an o. ;) 07:36 drojf hahaha 07:37 gaetan_B :d 07:37 mtompset Is there a koha library way of running through the biblionumbers? Or do I have to open the DB myself? 07:39 sophie_m mtompset: with a report ? 07:39 mtompset No, as a perl script I'm writing. 07:42 drojf isn't there a touch-all-biblios script or something? maybe have a look at that 07:53 mib_h4c4fn sorry i wasnt here .....no i dont have the Call Numbers.....the marc edit tool has a function which Generate Call Numbers for you .. i want to know how to use that...or how should i make call numbers for my recored? 07:53 mib_h4c4fn records* 07:54 rangi you might be better off asking on the marcedit mailing list 07:55 rangi ive never used it 08:03 ala_3vo I have tried sudo apt-get update", "sudo apt-get upgrade" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" to upgrade koha 3.6 to latest version but it is still 3.6. Anything I missed? 08:04 rangi it wont be 3.6 08:04 rangi it will be 3.6.something 08:05 rangi is it 3.6.7 ? 08:05 rangi try this 08:05 ala_3vo 3.06.04.000 08:05 rangi sounds to me like your sources.list is messed up 08:05 rangi apt-cache policy koha-common 08:05 rangi then use 08:05 rangi paste? 08:05 wahanui it has been said that paste is found at http://paste.koha-community.org 08:05 rangi that url to paste the output 08:06 mtompset OR... 08:07 mtompset did you pin it? 08:07 rangi mtompset: lets just try one thing first eh 08:07 mtompset True... just thought I'd mention it, lest someone forget that possibility. 08:07 rangi what i asked him to try would tell us if it was pinned anyway 08:09 rangi apt-cache policy is very very handy 08:10 pastebot "rangi" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "my apt-cache output" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/98 08:11 ala_3vo koha-common: Installed: 3.6.4-1 Candidate: 3.8.3.1-1 Version table: 3.8.3.1-1 0 500 http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/ squeeze/main i386 Packages *** 3.6.4-1 0 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status 08:12 rangi try this 08:12 rangi sudo apt-get install koha-common 08:12 rangi that is if you want to go to 3.8.3 08:12 rangi if you want to go to 3.6.7 08:13 rangi you can change your sources.list file 08:13 mib_vh4gd4 am really sorry i got disconnected im the one who was asking about call number 08:13 rangi 19:52 < rangi> you might be better off asking on the marcedit mailing list 08:13 rangi 19:53 < rangi> ive never used it 08:13 rangi is what i said when you asked 08:13 ala_3vo I've got broken packages 08:14 rangi there ya go, thats why it wouldnt update 08:14 rangi apt-get -f install 08:14 rangi you are missing a dependency i bet 08:15 ala_3vo Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following package was automatically installed and is no longer required: libtemplate-plugin-htmltotext-perl Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. 08:16 rangi ala_3vo: its better if you use http://paste.koha-community.org/ 08:16 rangi to paste things 08:16 * drojf hits the shower 08:16 rangi can you try the apt-get install koha-common again 08:16 rangi and paste the output of that 08:17 rangi you are running debian squeeze eh? 08:18 ala_3vo yes 08:18 ala_3vo have you seen the paste? 08:19 rangi no 08:19 rangi whats the url? 08:19 wahanui rumour has it the url is horrid :) 08:20 ala_3vo I'm new to the paste, how to I do it? 08:21 magnuse paste? 08:21 wahanui rumour has it paste is found at http://paste.koha-community.org 08:21 magnuse ala_3vo: go to that url and fill in the info it asks for 08:21 ala_3vo thanks magnuse 08:22 ala_3vo ok, it should be there 08:23 rangi did you choose the channel to be #koha 08:24 ala_3vo rangi, I believe I've send it 08:26 rangi you mustnt have chosen the channel or pastebot would have told us the url 08:26 rangi what is the url of the page you are now looking at? 08:27 ala_3vo http://paste.koha-community.org/102?tx=on&submit=Format+it%21 08:28 mtompset You are using debian, right? 08:29 ala_3vo yes 08:29 ala_3vo debian squeeze 6 08:29 rangi those packages should be in there 08:29 rangi what does 08:30 rangi apt-cache policy libtest-strict-perl 08:30 rangi say? 08:30 ala_3vo libtest-strict-perl: Installed: (none) Candidate: (none) Version table: 08:30 * mtompset notices how useful apt-cache policy is becoming in this debugging process. 08:31 rangi hmmm 08:32 rangi that should be in squeeze/main 08:32 rangi can you do 08:32 rangi cat /etc/apt/sources.list 08:32 mtompset something has to be wrong with sources.list and sources.list.d/* 08:32 rangi yep 08:34 ala_3vo http://paste.koha-community.org/103?tx=on&submit=Format+it%21 08:34 ala_3vo the paste of sources.list 08:35 rangi i wonder if the ihug mirror is out of date 08:37 rangi http://debian.ihug.co.nz/debian/pool/main/libt/libtest-strict-perl/ 08:38 rangi apt-cache policy libtest-strict-perl 08:38 rangi libtest-strict-perl: 08:38 rangi Installed: (none) 08:38 rangi Candidate: 0.14-1 08:38 rangi Version table: 08:38 rangi 0.14-1 0 08:38 rangi not sure whats up, the apt-get update succeeded eh? 08:39 ala_3vo there was an error 08:39 ala_3vo can that be firewall issue? 08:39 rangi where in nz are you anyway? 08:39 rangi i wont know unless you show us the error :) 08:39 ala_3vo I'm in the solomon islands 08:40 magnuse ala_3vo: if you set 1 channel = #koha, 2. your nick = ala_3vo, 3. summary = some description of what you paste -- then the url of what you pasted be automagically visible here :-) 08:40 rangi ahhhh, thats right i met you a while back :) 08:41 ala_3vo it says unable to fetch file. 08:41 rangi ah ha 08:42 rangi yep thats the problem, you could try this 08:43 ala_3vo rangi, that must be a different person 08:43 ala_3vo I'm really new with koha 08:43 mveron Hi everybody #koha 08:43 rangi ala_3vo: didn't you visit nz for some training? 08:43 drojf hi mveron 08:43 mveron hi drojf 08:43 ala_3vo yes, 2 months ago 08:44 rangi ala_3vo:yep i met you then 08:44 rangi robin was doing the training 08:44 drojf heh rangi nows everybody related to koha 08:44 ala_3vo okay, yes that right. 08:44 rangi ala_3vo: do you have a text editor you prefer? 08:44 ala_3vo gedit 08:45 rangi ok 08:45 rangi sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list 08:45 rangi change this line 08:45 wahanui rangi: that doesn't look right 08:45 rangi deb ftp://debian.ihug.co.nz/debian/ squeeze main contrib 08:45 rangi to be 08:45 rangi deb http://debian.ihug.co.nz/debian/ squeeze main contrib 08:45 rangi then save the file 08:45 rangi and try apt-get update again 08:49 mtompset that wouldn't make sense, because then all your apt-get stuff would fail, not just selected items. 08:49 mtompset Never mind... I had scrolled back. :) 08:49 magnuse @wunder Honiara 08:49 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Honiara, Solomon Islands is 27.0°C (7:00 PM SBT on August 14, 2012). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 24.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Falling). 08:52 rangi hey eythian 08:52 wahanui eythian is, like, in NZ. ;) or a good influence 08:52 eythian hello 08:52 ala_3vo I stll have error messages 08:53 * eythian is just getting set up in Konstanz 08:53 mtompset @wunder Konstanz 08:53 huginn mtompset: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 21.7°C (10:50 AM CEST on August 14, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 08:53 mtompset Sounds like a nice day there. 08:54 drojf @wunder berlin 08:54 eythian it is. Looks like it'll warm up a bit more too. 08:54 huginn drojf: Error: No such location could be found. 08:54 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 08:54 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 20.2°C (10:42 AM CEST on August 14, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 08:54 eythian Berlin is a myth 08:54 drojf heh 08:55 mtompset @wunder london 08:55 huginn mtompset: Error: No such location could be found. 08:55 * mtompset laughs, "as it london." 08:55 mtompset as IS London. 08:55 mtompset @wunder london, ontario 08:55 huginn mtompset: The current temperature in Woodfield, London, Ontario is 18.0°C (4:53 AM EDT on August 14, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013 hPa (Steady). 08:55 rangi ala_3vo: ok, you could try this instead 08:55 rangi change that line to 08:55 wahanui rangi: that doesn't look right 08:56 rangi deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib 09:00 ala_3vo Err ftp://debian.ihug.co.nz squeeze/updates/contrib Sources Unable to connect to debian.ihug.co.nz:ftp: 09:01 rangi change that one to http too please instead of ftp 09:01 wahanui rangi: that doesn't look right 09:01 rangi eythian: we really should fix wahanui 09:02 eythian yeah, I'm not sure what it's responding to there. 09:02 rangi i think its change 09:02 rangi change something 09:02 wahanui rangi: that doesn't look right 09:02 rangi yep thats it 09:02 eythian looks like 09:02 eythian I assume you can say "change something to something else" 09:03 ala_3vo its done 09:03 drojf change wahanui 09:03 wahanui drojf: that doesn't look right 09:03 eythian wahanui: something 09:03 wahanui eythian: sorry... 09:03 eythian wahanui: something is something 09:03 wahanui ...but something is <reply>... 09:03 ala_3vo rangi can I apt-get install koha-common now 09:03 eythian no wahanui, something is something 09:03 wahanui okay, eythian. 09:04 eythian wahanui: something 09:04 wahanui somebody said something was something 09:04 eythian change something to something else 09:04 wahanui eythian: that doesn't look right 09:04 eythian or not. 09:04 eythian wahanui: forget something 09:04 wahanui eythian: I forgot something 09:04 rangi ala_3vo: did the apt-get update suceed? 09:04 ala_3vo yes 09:04 ala_3vo thanks 09:05 rangi yep, give it a whirl now 09:05 drojf wahanui: forget change 09:05 wahanui drojf: I forgot change 09:05 drojf change wahanui 09:05 wahanui drojf: that doesn't look right 09:05 drojf hm 09:05 drojf he lives in his own world 09:06 ala_3vo rangi, how do I upgrade? 09:06 rangi apt-get upgrade 09:06 wahanui well, apt-get upgrade is a lot easier ;-) 09:08 ala_3vo okay, thanks for the tip. 09:09 rangi no problem, it's all working now? 09:10 ala_3vo rangi Yes, its upgrading now. 09:12 ala_3vo Thanks wahanui, rangi, and #koha. Its 8 pm now in the solomons. 09:12 rangi cool 09:13 ala_3vo see you again...have to leave 09:16 magnuse rangi++ 09:18 rangi south pacific solidarity :) 09:19 eythian did you get it working? 09:21 rangi apparently so 09:21 rangi at least it was upgrading when he left 09:22 eythian Ok cool. Still not sure how he managed to not have backups. 09:22 rangi yeah, me either 09:24 mtompset rangi++ 09:29 kf good morning #koha 09:29 rangi hi kf 09:30 eythian hi kf 09:31 kf that is weird. 09:58 kf this feels a bit like scotland 09:59 eythian heh 09:59 eythian 'cept the weather is better 10:01 kf true 10:01 francharb kf, hi 10:02 francharb kf, I can't log in to my pootle account 10:02 kf ok 10:02 kf let me check 10:02 kf what's your user name? 10:02 francharb francharb 10:02 wahanui francharb falls asleep easily at sea. Don't believe me? Just ask Brooke. 10:03 kf ok, did you do something? 10:03 francharb kf yep 10:03 kf requesting a new password maybe? 10:03 francharb yep 10:03 francharb and created a new account 10:03 kf hm 10:03 kf It seems emailing is broken 10:03 kf maybe we should file a bug 10:03 francharb but I didn't get the confirmation email 10:03 kf I had to manually activate lotsof accounts recently 10:04 francharb kf, report a bug on the pootle project? 10:04 kf yep 10:04 kf would be cool if you could file a bug for fredericd 10:04 kf ok 10:04 kf I see 2 accounts for you 10:05 kf francharb. 10:05 wahanui francharb falls asleep easily at sea. Don't believe me? Just ask Brooke. 10:05 kf and francharb 10:05 wahanui francharb falls asleep easily at sea. Don't believe me? Just ask Brooke. 10:05 kf want me to delete one? 10:05 kf the one with the dot? 10:05 francharb yep 10:05 francharb yes please 10:10 mtompset francharb 10:10 wahanui francharb falls asleep easily at sea. Don't believe me? Just ask Brooke. 10:10 mtompset brooke 10:10 mtompset wahanui 10:10 wahanui mtompset? 10:11 mtompset mtompset 10:11 wahanui you are probably currently in the Philippines and is coding up a bash script storm in the midst of seasonal typhoons. 10:11 mtompset bash 10:11 francharb kf, I will write fredericd about this, maybe the problem doesn"t come from pootle... 10:11 kf francharb: I think it's pootle 10:11 kf or he will know how email is set up 10:11 kf sorry had a phone call 10:12 francharb no problem 10:12 francharb kf, it looks like this one : http://bugs.locamotion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=137 10:12 huginn 04Bug 137: normal, P2, ---, chris, RESOLVED MOVED, It's hard (impossible?) to delete a biblioitem which has no items. 10:13 francharb Bug 137 - Mail not sent to registered users 10:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=137 normal, P2, ---, chris, RESOLVED MOVED, It's hard (impossible?) to delete a biblioitem which has no items. 10:13 kf hm 10:13 kf I had 3 or 4 people reporting the problem and this seems to be an old version of pootle 10:13 kf I mean the bug is old 10:13 kf I am not sure it's the same problem 10:14 user2 hi 10:14 eythian The bug is a mail server misconfiguration, not a pootle issue 10:14 kf oh and try again 10:14 kf I deleted francharb. and activated francharb - check if permissions work 10:14 kf eythian: yeah but mail configuraton on the pootle server maybe? 10:15 eythian quite possible, but either way, the bug is not going to help you. 10:15 francharb kf, thanks a lot, it works! 10:17 user2 i have enabled autobarcode generate in the form <branch code> yy mm 0001 10:18 user2 now we have reached NLC12089999 10:19 user2 the bar code now is reset to NLC12080001 which can not be also saved because it exist 10:19 user2 any solution ? 10:26 kf user2: I think that's a problem with the barcode schema 10:26 kf if you get more than 9999 books in a month, it's a problem 10:28 user2 kf, we are implemented kohs this month and started cataloguing 10:28 user2 s/kohs/koha 10:29 user2 we have more than 2lakhs books 10:31 mtompset I'd spend the rest of the day making sure the barcodes are affixed to the items. 9999 items per day is pretty productive. 10:32 mtompset Oh... yy mm... yuck./ 10:33 user2 mtompset, not in one day, we have started two weeks before 10:33 * mtompset nods. 10:33 user2 but the autobarcode reset to 0001 after reaching 9999 10:34 mtompset Isn't there another automatic barcode scheme that you could have chosen? 10:36 user2 other forms are "generated in the form <year>001, <year>002." and "generated in the form 1,2,3." 10:36 user2 but we have already choose <branch code> yymm0001 10:37 user2 is this the limitation in autobarcode 10:54 user2 is there anyway to increase the limit in autobarcode generator ? 11:06 kf_lunch user2: you get a new range of numbers next month 11:13 rangi /ws 28 11:13 rangi heh 11:13 jcamins Shouldn't you be asleep? 11:14 user2 so we have to wait for next month kf_lunch 11:14 kf I think it should turnover next month yes 11:14 kf but we don't have a library using it 11:15 eythian is there another value you could bump up temporarily? 11:15 eythian If not, you're constrained by the format you chose really. 11:15 kf maybe you could cheat and pretend it was already next month? 11:15 kf like create the first number for september? 11:16 kf I am not sure it woudl count up then 11:16 jcamins It would not. 11:16 user2 lib/C4/Barcodes/hbyymmincr.pm , can we edit and increase the $width 11:17 user2 $width = 4; # FIXME: 4 is too small for sizeable or multi-branch libraries. 11:17 jcamins Not there. 11:17 jcamins The barcode is actually handled by cataloguing/value_builder/barcode.pl. 11:17 user2 ok 11:17 jcamins If you change the code, though, you'll have to rebarcode everything. 11:20 user2 jcamins, so i there any solution for now we can do 11:21 jcamins user2: you could use the autobarcode scheme that just counts up. 11:21 jcamins That would not require you to do any rebarcoding. 11:22 user2 jcamins, generated in the form <year>001, <year>002." OR "generated in the form 1,2,3." ? 11:23 jcamins user2: 1, 2, 3, etc. 11:23 user2 now we are using "generated in the form <branch code> yymm0001" 11:24 user2 and finished 9999 , so if we change to 1,2,3 etc , will it affect the existing records? , need rebarcode whole things ? 11:25 jcamins No, you won't have to rebarcode. 11:25 jcamins With any other scheme you will. 11:27 user2 jcamins, so for a library which catalogues more than 10,000 in a month(mostly the beginning time), it is not recommended using in the form <branch code> yymm0001, right ? 11:28 jcamins Right. 11:28 user2 ohh... thank you very much jcamins , and thank you all members for supporting 11:40 mbalmer mveron? 11:40 wahanui mveron is from switzerland, a koha developer and creating some nice new features! 11:40 mveron mbalmer? 11:40 wahanui i heard mbalmer was DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS!!!!! 12:20 clrh I am trying to package the new koct plugin (with translations) 12:20 clrh in the manifest of firefox addon I have a wrong mail - what should I put ? koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org ? 12:45 oleonard Hi #koha 12:45 tcohen hi oleonard 12:48 mbalmer @wahanui forget mbalmer 12:48 huginn mbalmer: downloading the Perl source 13:03 * mtompset liked the DEVELOPERS! 3x bit. 13:06 mbalmer but it was wrong. that ballmer has two 'l's 13:07 mbalmer (and probably more '$', too) 13:12 oleonard mbalmer: If you want to talk directly to someone, including wahanui, you can't use the @ 13:12 oleonard The @ is only used for some commands (@later for instance) 13:12 oleonard wahanui: forget mbalmer 13:12 wahanui oleonard: I forgot mbalmer 13:12 mbalmer oh, I see 13:12 eythian IRC predates twitter. 13:12 mbalmer thanks, oleonard! 13:13 eythian I also don't understand why people are so often talking about channels without saying what server they're on. 13:13 oleonard I think some chat protocols use the @ differently? I assume mbalmer is not using Twitter syntax. 13:13 oleonard eythian: ? 13:13 jcamins eythian: there's only one #koha. :) 13:13 eythian oleonard: so far as I know, twitter originated the @username convention. 13:14 eythian jcamins: I mean tv shows putting a #something on the screen, they never say what server it's on! 13:14 oleonard Oh, okay. 13:14 jcamins eythian: lol 13:14 mbalmer the next edition of 'SAB Info', the Swiss journal for librarians, will contain an article on Koha (written by mveron & co.) 13:15 mtompset Hey, in the last Canadian election, Jack Layton (may he rest in peace) even talked about the government's actions being a #fail. ;) 13:15 mtompset Twitter is quite invasive of culture. :) 13:16 oleonard Culture is invasive. 13:17 oleonard Or more accurately, diffusive. 13:29 kf mbalmer: cool :) not sure if we are subscribed to that - will it be available online too? maybe later? 13:30 mbalmer I don't know, but I can get you a copy for sure 13:30 kf clrh++ 13:31 clrh kf :) I just did a clone + zip command + upload hum 13:32 clrh (little thinks are important too, ok) 13:32 jcamins clrh++ 13:34 kf clrh: yep, little things are important :) 13:34 eythian http://wtfnasa.com/ 13:34 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "The Indiana Supreme Court Law Library Goes Live on Koha with ByWater Solutions http://t.co/2yMPB9z1 #kohails" 13:35 magnuse clrh++ 13:36 jcamins magnuse: how are you planning on implementing the digital signs? 13:36 jcamins It was under discussion yesterday after you'd left. :) 13:37 magnuse oh, i better read the log then, 1 sec 13:37 jcamins I said I thought you were planning on doing a theme so that it would work on a kiosk. That was actually all the discussion. 13:38 * oleonard reads digital signs and thinks of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Boston_bomb_scare 13:39 clrh Joubu: "For new files, I think a best practice is to use "use Modern::Perl" instead of "use strict; use warnings; But nothing is written on the wiki. You are free to keep these lines." 7417#c13 I thought it was really a new practice (already discussed) 13:39 jcamins clrh: I switched to Modern::Perl. 13:40 jcamins If I missed a file, let me know and I'll fix it. 13:41 clrh jcamins: ok - just reading the discussion, didn't seen last comments 13:41 jcamins clrh: ah, yes, there is a lot of discussion. :) 13:42 jcamins kf: I don't see any links in the cart e-mails right now. 13:42 magnuse jcamins: hm, can't find it in the logs. but the plan is to use jqm on a single page that will be the signs. so not a new theme per se 13:42 Joubu clrh: coding guidelines (http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#Perl) say we have to use strict and warnings. It's not mandatory to use Modern::Perl 13:42 kf which patch did you apply? 13:42 clrh ok 13:42 jcamins None yet. 13:42 kf yep 13:42 kf there are no links at all now 13:43 kf but thelayout is broken if you have records with and without items mixed 13:43 kf so the first bug fixes the layout - offering 2 different ways, the second fixes the links 13:47 jcamins magnuse: and you'll just not use any of the standard includes + disable navigation? 13:48 magnuse jcamins: i think that is my plan, yes :-) 13:48 magnuse in a way it will be a bit like the sco screen 13:49 jcamins MAkes sense. 13:49 jcamins *Makes 13:49 magnuse oh it does? good! ;-) 13:49 jcamins I need a kiosk interface which doesn't allow logins, but does include all search functionality, so I'm kind of stuck with a theme. 13:50 jcamins kf: I like the second better. 13:50 jcamins By a lot. 13:50 jcamins The first is hideous. 13:50 jcamins :) 13:50 magnuse jcamins and kf: which bug are you talking about? 13:51 jcamins bug 8621. 13:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8621 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Template for sending out carts not formatting correctly 13:51 jcamins Option A was "the way we've always had it only working." 13:51 jcamins Option B is "let's make it look good *and* work." 13:54 kf hm actually option b is closer to our old layout I think 13:55 jcamins Well, option A is like it was right before I signed off. 13:55 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails The Indiana Supreme Court Law Library Goes Live on Koha with ByWater Solutions http://t.co/v9Gv1LOU" 13:56 bornie21 hey guys I am having problems with Zebra cron job settings.If I manually rebuild the indexes are updated but the cron is nt running any help 13:56 jcamins kf: I found a problem. 13:56 jcamins The subject of the e-mail: Ihr Korb=20= 13:57 kf oh interesting 13:57 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 13:57 kf that didn't happen for me 13:57 kf i wonder if you are not supposed to use it for the subject - but shouldn't it all be the same encoding? 13:58 kf and it didn't happen in my tests this morning. hm. 13:58 * jcamins doesn't know. 13:58 eythian there's some oddball stuff to do with encoding and subjects I think 13:58 kf eythian: if you have a suggestion I am all ears - I have been googling and searching around a lot about this 13:58 kf but not much wiser than before 13:58 eythian To use Unicode in email subject lines and email addresses two different standards need to be used to retrofit the handling of non-ASCII data to the originally ASCII-only email protocol: 13:58 eythian RFC 2047 provides support for encoding non-ASCII values such as real names and subject lines in email headers 13:58 eythian RFC 3490 provides support for encoding non-ASCII domain names in the Domain Name System 14:00 eythian http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4389676/php-email-header-subject-encoding-problem <-- also this 14:00 eythian basically, the formatting of the body doesn't apply to the subject 14:06 jcamins By removing the encode_qp, I get it to work. 14:06 jcamins But if the subject had actual accented characters, I expect it would not work. 14:07 oleonard SQL reports require date parameters to be input formatted as ISO. Do guided reports? 14:07 * oleonard is working on Bug 8596 14:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8596 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Reports interface date picker doesn't force ISO formatted dates 14:08 jcamins Hm. No problem with simple diacritics. 14:08 oleonard Or does a "regular" guided report even let you enter runtime parameters? 14:09 wizzyrea oleonard: I think it does 14:09 wizzyrea it has options for it in the drop downs 14:09 wizzyrea also hi 14:09 eythian jcamins: make sure you test a couple of email clients. Some are a bit more stupid than others. 14:09 jcamins Works with Russian. 14:09 jcamins eythian: ooh, good call. 14:09 jcamins That's going to be tricky. 14:09 jcamins Who has multiple e-mail clients set up? 14:10 wizzyrea which ones do you want 14:10 oleonard Saying some email clients are more stupid than others is the understatement of the 21st century. 14:10 jcamins wizzyrea: Outlook-y ones and Thunderbird-y ones. 14:11 eythian jcamins: I have a thunderbird-y one handy. 14:11 eythian You might even call it thunderbird... 14:11 jcamins eythian: excellent. Your regular e-mail address good? 14:11 eythian jup 14:12 wizzyrea i have a mac mail-y one 14:12 wizzyrea but no outlook :( 14:12 * oleonard can offer to test a crappy webmail one 14:12 jcamins You should have an e-mail with an Arabic subject in your box right about now, eythian. 14:12 jcamins oleonard: I'll take it. Your usual e-mail? 14:13 oleonard There goes eythian's security clearance 14:13 wizzyrea heh 14:13 oleonard jcamins: owen@czechprimer.org 14:13 eythian oleonard: no, .nz is OK with that kind of thing :) 14:13 jcamins oleonard: gesendet. :) 14:14 jcamins Oh, err, I'm probably the only one who can read the Arabic to confirm it came through correctly. 14:14 jcamins It should look like this: http://translate.google.com/#en/ar/Your%20library 14:14 eythian if it's wrong, it'll look quite bad 14:14 wizzyrea JING 14:14 eythian although it still hasn't arrived... 14:14 jcamins eythian: yeah, that's my theory. 14:15 jcamins Ah, this is problematic. 14:15 jcamins I have a non-static IP. 14:15 jcamins I can' 14:15 jcamins t e-mail anyone but myself... 14:15 eythian ah, that may be an issue 14:16 jcamins Um. 14:17 jcamins I'll try forwarding. 14:17 jcamins No, it re-encodes. 14:17 jcamins Phooey. 14:17 clrh khall: hello, question about bug 8015 - did you plan to sign off Joubu 's followup ? 14:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8015 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Add MARC Modifications Templates 14:18 kf jcamins: :( 14:18 kf I can test outlook... but you have to mail me :( 14:18 khall clrh: indeed. Will do 14:18 clrh ok thanks ;) 14:18 jcamins kf: I can't mail you because of the spam filters. 14:19 kf for along time umlauts wouldn't work in some of our messages - like the checkin notice. It should be Rückgabequittung in German 14:19 kf not sure if we ever got tofix that 14:19 kf probably a different bug make all our mails work the same... :( 14:20 jcamins Wait, I think I found the problem. 14:20 jcamins Well... wow. 14:20 jcamins THat didn't help. 14:23 kf hm, that link looks interesting: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4389676/php-email-header-subject-encoding-problem 14:23 kf I guess we are missing some of that 14:25 jcamins I don't see how to get it to work. 14:25 eythian the instructions on setting up SIP seem to be terribly unclear :/ 14:25 jcamins I guess I can sign off on the patches as "better than before." 14:25 wizzyrea don't they. sure wish they were properly in the manual. 14:26 eythian wizzyrea: yeah. Things like "The expected response is '941'". I'm getting '940' and I don't know what that means. 14:27 wizzyrea oh boy. 14:27 kf jcamins: can you remove the encoding frm the subject line? 14:28 kf just delete the encode_pq 14:28 jcamins kf: that works with gmail, but probably nothing else. 14:28 jcamins However, perhaps that's the best option. 14:28 jcamins And we can try to fix the subject further. 14:29 kf it's the way the list does it 14:29 kf so it would be consistent within koha 14:29 kf http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commit;h=696fc0ff22fac839e97b9f9caddda99ff89d9ffc 14:29 kf see here 14:30 jcamins Okay. 14:31 jcamins I'll amend your commit to remove the extra encode_qp. 14:35 jcamins Signed off. 14:35 kf thank yo 14:35 kf u 14:43 eythian Oh good, if I put a 'die' into the sip server code to trace things, it doesn't get logged anywhere. 14:45 magnuse have fun #koha 14:46 kf eythian: hm not in the sip logs I assume? 14:46 eythian that was the first place I looked :) 14:46 kf eythian: what are you working on? 14:46 eythian making SIP work 14:46 kf I thought it did :) 14:47 eythian it isn't for me, or it is and I can't tell because it's under-documented. 14:51 fredericd kf: which languages have you added to pottle 3.8 project? 14:51 wizzyrea what isn't working? 14:51 * jcamins waves to fredericd. 14:52 eythian wizzyrea: login, it was returning a status code that isn't what is "expected" 14:52 eythian I think I know what it is though... 14:52 mveron Hi again #koha 14:54 mveron fredericd: We added German (Swiss) de-CH http://translate.koha-community.org/de_CH/38/ 14:54 * mveron has to head to the door, somebody calling... 14:54 fredericd jcamins: waves have non-metaphoric meaning for me during vacation 14:54 jcamins fredericd: ooh, lucky you! 14:54 fredericd mveron++ 14:54 jcamins Ah, yes, string freeze. 14:54 jcamins I need to announce that. 14:55 jcamins Actually, 3.6.x is basically frozen now since I won't consider any further patches. 14:55 druthb o/ 14:56 fredericd jcamins: Is 3.6.x .po files update really required? 14:56 kf fredericd: only de-CH is new, de_ch in pootle I think, and I added fi-FI to 3.8 - was already there for older versions 14:57 eythian ah yep. Handy hint: if you forget to create the staff user for SIP to use, it doesn't tell you what's wrong. 14:57 * jcamins cheers at the druthb sighting. 14:57 jcamins fredericd: good question. 14:57 jcamins I'll check, but now that you mention it, I suspect not. 14:57 kf hi druthb :) 14:58 * druthb goes :P at jcamins 14:58 eythian hiya druthb 14:59 druthb hi, kf and eythian! :) 14:59 * wizzyrea waves at druthb 14:59 jcamins fredericd: not really, no. 14:59 * kf has eythian sitting next door now, it's weird to see him write something here :) 15:00 jcamins Lucky kf! 15:00 druthb hi, wizzyrea! :) 15:00 druthb lucky eythian, too! 15:00 oleonard Long time no see druthb 15:00 jcamins Of course! 15:00 * jcamins whispers something to kf about eythian's work on localizing the packages. :D 15:00 * eythian will have to buy a nerf gun or something to take advantage of this situation. 15:00 * druthb has been kinda stealthy for a while. 15:01 kf ah right... yeah I have to lock him up in there until it's done... eh...I meant buy him chocolate... and try other bribery 15:01 fredericd jcamins: thks. Great. It will help me a lot (very poor internet access) 15:02 kf eythian: good that I don't actually see you then 15:07 kf jcamins: hope it was ok with the languages. 15:07 kf hm 15:07 jcamins kf: what? 15:07 kf I mean fredericd: hope it was ok to add the languages 15:07 jcamins kf: your patches worked fine, except for the subject. 15:08 kf jcamins: I think we will have to figure out how the subject works, but probably can't do that today 15:08 kf maybe new bug? 15:08 jcamins I don't think it's that critical... it's *always* been broken. 15:10 kf yeah 15:10 kf the patches should be an improvement I hope - not breaking soemthing that wasn't before 15:11 jcamins I think the are. 15:14 jcamins So I guess the question is whether there has been any further translation on 3.6.x since 3.6.7. 15:15 jcamins Looks like Danish, Lao, Tetun, and Finnish have all be updated since 3.6.7. 15:16 * jcamins will ask fredericd about getting a new set of files for the 22nd. 15:29 jcamins Hey! I had an idea. 15:29 jcamins Apparently the entire continent of Europe sensed it and ran away. 15:31 jcamins Mmmm... possibly wise. 15:31 kf hm? 15:31 kf I am still here. 15:31 jcamins I realized how we could slice up the search rewrite a bit more. 15:31 kf I am doing it wrong again? 15:31 jcamins lol 15:32 kf nice mail about kohacon :) 15:32 jcamins Yup. :) 15:33 jcamins There is nothing that says the entire query parser has to be rewritten at once. 15:34 kf aha 15:37 jcamins We could rewrite the query parser/search engine interface in an iterative fashion. 15:37 jcamins It would look like this: 15:37 jcamins Step 1: try to parse search using new parser. 15:37 jcamins Step 2: If we succeeded, great, send that search through the new interface. 15:38 jcamins Step 3: sorry, no luck with what we have so far... no problem, we'll just use C4::Search. 15:38 kf ah 15:38 kf if you can do that? 15:38 jcamins Sure. 15:39 kf cool :) 15:39 jcamins Put something at the beginning of getRecords that tries the new parser. 15:48 jcamins One could even conceivably start by adding support for real AND queries over item fields. 15:49 kf nice 15:49 kf I woudl like a real item search option somewhere 15:49 kf like... make me a list of all items at locatoin X 15:49 kf but that's a different story 15:50 jcamins The problem there is we don't have an interface for lists. 15:50 kf yeah 15:50 kf we wuld need a new search 15:50 kf can't build that into the current search, I know 15:50 jcamins We'd need the search rewrite PLUS a new search interface. 15:55 kf yeah... but one can dream 15:55 kf and you will need some work when you finish the search rewrite :) 15:55 jcamins lol 15:55 jcamins I think I'll need a nap after I finish the search rewrite. :P 15:56 kf lol you can get a nap or 2 16:08 oleonard-away nengard: I can't reproduce Bug 8639 in master or 3.8.3 16:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8639 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , my personal details hidden when on my summary 16:08 nengard yeah i figured it might be some kind of fluke 16:08 nengard you saw the video though 16:08 oleonard Yes 16:08 nengard not sure what we have on there that's making that happen 16:09 nengard I'm okay if you close it though :) 16:09 oleonard I made sure all my tabs matched yours (enabled opacprivacy, etc) 16:10 nengard are you showing patron images on the details tab? 16:10 nengard and letting people edit their details? 16:10 nengard cause I was 16:10 oleonard Hm, no to patron images 16:12 kf nengard: maybe some css or js? 16:12 nengard could totally be possible 16:12 kf the sequence of tabs changed, caused some problems in our installations hiding the wrong tab 16:12 nengard that's why i'm okay closing it if no one else can reproduce it 16:14 oleonard So what I'm hearing is we need ID attributes for those tabs? :) 16:15 kf oleonard: maybe - not sure if they are still missing - they used to be in older versions :) 16:18 kf bye all :) 16:57 oleonard So services/itemrecorddisplay.tt is used to show an add item form in Aquisitions... Why don't we do the same in Cataloging? 17:04 khall does anyone around know much about hard due dates? I've found a problem and I'm not sure if it is a bug or an intended behavior. 17:05 SJeffery ^ Sums up working with Koha :) 17:05 khall GetHardDueDate works just like GetIssuingRule, but it not only tests for having 17:05 khall found an row of results before returning, but checks for the existence of a 17:05 khall hard due date as well. That means that even if it finds a matching rule, unless 17:05 khall that rule has a hardduedate set it will toss it and keep looking! 17:05 khall So in this case, even though there is a matching rule for "STAFF / VIDEO / *", 17:05 khall it has no hardduedate. So it tosses it and keeps looking. The next match, 17:05 khall "STAFF / * / *" *has* are hardduedate, and is thus the one returned. 17:06 gaetan_B bye ! 17:06 jcamins khall: bug. 17:06 khall jcamins: thanks for the verify. It seemed a bit odd. I'll file a bug and a patch. 17:07 jcamins khall: I suspect most tests involved *all* rules having hard due dates, or none of them. 17:08 jcamins That's definitely not how it was supposed to work, according to my understanding, though. 17:18 khall I would agree. It is *not* intuitive and runs counter to how all other issuing rule related actions function. 17:21 jcamins khall: wajasu had an idea for how to add tests for circulation rules which I am eagerly awaiting him implementing. 17:22 khall wajasu++ then! 17:22 oleonard Wherever he may be. 17:26 khall bug filed and patch submitted: 8640 17:49 nengard wizzyrea around? 17:50 wizzyrea yep 17:50 nengard I'm trying to post to K-c.org and the editos is doing wierd things - the buttons aren't visible on the HTML tab and when I use the visual tab and click to add a link it clears all the text in the post box 17:51 nengard I had no probs creating a page when I created the conference page last week (or whenever that was) 17:53 nengard Hmm .. and I can't publish either 17:54 nengard it's stuck loading 17:54 nengard oh there it goes 17:54 wizzyrea i see what you mean I'll have to investigate. 18:00 nengard okey dokey 18:01 nengard Does anyone know if there is an image size limit when uploading cover images? Asking for the manual 18:01 nengard dimensions and/or file size 18:03 oleonard jcamins would know I suppose 18:04 jcamins There is not a limit other than that set by the web server, but all images will be reduced down to... 18:05 jcamins 600x800 18:07 * cait waves 18:11 wizzyrea hi cait :) 18:12 wizzyrea nengard please try now 18:12 wizzyrea refresh first, clear cache, yada yada first 18:13 nengard wizzyrea all better 18:13 nengard :) 18:13 nengard no refresh necessary 18:13 wizzyrea cool beans 18:15 wizzyrea nengard - it may be wonky for just a minute - I'm trying something 18:15 nengard that's okay i got my post up 18:15 wizzyrea cool 18:15 wizzyrea cool, it's still ok 18:15 wizzyrea there was a plugin that was terribly out of date ;) 18:17 nengard ooo 18:17 nengard yeah that might do it 18:49 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails First KohaCon13 IRC Meeting http://t.co/eeHZjw8a" 18:50 oleonard nengard: Lacks time info! 18:50 nengard not really 18:50 nengard it's linked 18:50 cait it's in the link - the mail confused me a little bit :) 18:50 nengard but okay 18:50 oleonard I don't see it on the page 18:50 oleonard Oh you mean the "get the right time" link? 18:52 oleonard Are you trying to avoid confusion by not putting the UTC time? 18:53 nengard refresh 18:54 oleonard That helps, thanks 18:57 * mveron submitted Bug 8641 (see yesterdays questions by ExtraordinaryBen and answers by rangi) 18:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8641 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Add information warning about log-in as root user to About->System information 18:58 mveron @wunder Basel 18:58 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 25.2°C (8:50 PM CEST on August 14, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Rising). 18:58 wizzyrea hmm I just found something odd 18:58 wizzyrea I think 18:58 cait hi mveron :) 18:59 cait nice idea with 8641! 18:59 mveron hi cait :-) 18:59 oleonard If it was from the staff fridge just put it back wizzyrea 18:59 wizzyrea but I will have to test it 18:59 wizzyrea ew 19:03 wizzyrea ok, can someone test this 19:03 wizzyrea well no 19:03 wizzyrea let me first :P 19:05 cait if you don't tell us, we can't help :) 19:05 jcamins mveron: bug 8641 looks good. 19:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8641 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Add information warning about log-in as root user to About->System information 19:05 jcamins Signing off after it passes all the tests. 19:05 jcamins :) 19:05 mveron jcamins: Wow! Fastest sign-off I ever had :-) 19:07 cait well deserved :) 19:07 nengard isn't there a bug for adding a CSS for the self checkout? 19:07 jcamins nengard: there already is CSS on the self checkout. 19:08 nengard custom 19:08 jcamins Let me check which syspref it is. 19:08 jcamins I came across this just the other day. 19:08 nengard sco.css 19:08 nengard there is a pref for JS on SCO 19:08 nengard but not one for CSS that i know about 19:08 jcamins Right, but aren't you looking for the syspref? 19:08 nengard yes 19:09 jcamins I was surprised to come across one on Sunday. At least, I was surprised to come across what looked like one to a quick glance. 19:09 nengard hehe 19:09 jcamins Oh, it includes OPACUserCSS. 19:09 nengard i did a css search and there isn't a pref i know about - 19:10 jcamins What did I come across that was a surprise to me, then? 19:10 nengard oh! so if you put CSS in OPACUserCSS it will style SCO? 19:10 wizzyrea ugh 19:10 mveron jcamins ++ 19:10 jcamins Yep. But of course all the IDs are different. 19:10 wizzyrea in 3.6.4 if a person has a single hold that is toggled to the bottom (lowestpriority) then all of their holds are stuck to the bottom 19:10 wizzyrea did I miss the memo on this bug or did I just figure it out. 19:11 * wizzyrea did that patch for the sco 19:11 wizzyrea to include the opacusercss 19:11 jcamins Let me check on 3.6.8. 19:12 jcamins Uhhh... video, perhaps? 19:12 jcamins So I can make sure I'm doing it right. 19:12 wizzyrea ok one sec 19:13 nengard wizzyrea i think there is a bug on that 19:13 nengard it sounds familiar to me 19:14 wizzyrea bug 6344 isn't it 19:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6344 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha.sekjal, NEW , Hold priority displayed incorrectly when "Toggle Lowest Priority" option is used 19:14 nengard yeah that's what i'm reading :) 19:14 nengard so maybe i'm wrong 19:14 wizzyrea you maybe have a ticket for weird behaviour like that? 19:15 wizzyrea "this person's holds are stuck at the bottom and we don't know why" 19:15 wizzyrea what really sucks about it 19:15 jcamins Guess I'll need a bunch of holds. 19:15 wizzyrea is that it only has to be one (of possibly many) holds on the patron's account that is toggled lowest priority 19:15 wizzyrea to make them all be that way! 19:16 wizzyrea yea sorry jcamins, movie.. .one min 19:17 cait wizzyrea: maybe we should have an option to turn that feature off 19:17 cait or color the stuck holds in a different way? 19:17 wizzyrea wel lthey have a different icon when they're stuck 19:18 cait ah ok 19:18 jcamins Hey, what happened to double clicking when placing a hold? 19:19 jcamins Didn't I write that? 19:19 jcamins Oh, it was on checkout. 19:19 wizzyrea hm no that was kyle 19:19 jcamins The double clicking? 19:19 jcamins No, definitely me. 19:19 jcamins In 3.4. 19:20 wizzyrea wait, double holds being created? 19:20 jcamins No. 19:20 wizzyrea oh 19:20 mveron Good night #koha 19:20 wizzyrea that's what I was talking about :) 19:20 jcamins Double clicking doesn't work. 19:20 oleonard What did you write jcamins? A way to double click to get extra bonus holds? 19:20 jcamins oleonard: double clicking a name automatically selects it. 19:20 jcamins When checking out. 19:21 oleonard Oh yeah I like that. and I notice when it doesn't work on other pages 19:21 jcamins How do I toggle a hold lowest priority? 19:22 jcamins Ah. 19:22 wizzyrea lol. 19:22 jcamins I click the down arrow. 19:22 wizzyrea the one by the x 19:23 wizzyrea not the one between the priority and the patron 19:23 jcamins Has anyone commented that having two down arrow icons that do totally different things is not helpful? 19:23 wizzyrea yes 19:23 wizzyrea it is unhelpful 19:23 wizzyrea ok so now, place another hold on a different bib 19:23 wizzyrea and place other holds on that bib 19:23 wizzyrea your patron should stay at the bottom on all of them 19:23 wizzyrea which is wrong wrong wrong 19:24 jcamins Oh, I have to place the other hold after the one is set to lowest priority. 19:24 wizzyrea it will work both ways 19:24 wizzyrea or not work, as the case may be 19:24 jcamins Works in 3.6.8. 19:24 wizzyrea they are not all stuck at the bottom? 19:25 jcamins Unless I did something wrong. 19:25 jcamins Right. 19:25 jcamins John Smith has the first hold. 19:25 jcamins Except on the book where he is pinned to the bottom. 19:25 oleonard Bug 4230 19:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4230 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , new icon for move to lowest priority on holds 19:26 jcamins Ah, a good bug. :) 19:26 oleonard I've worked on it every day since Feb. 2010, to no avail. 19:26 wizzyrea lol. 19:26 jcamins lol 19:30 wizzyrea I'll be glad if it's just a bug in 3.6.4 19:30 wizzyrea which means people who are higher than we are won't have that problem ;0 19:30 wizzyrea ;) 19:31 jcamins It does seem to work in 3.6.8. 19:31 jcamins I can check out 3.6.4. 19:34 wizzyrea I don't see the point really 19:34 wizzyrea I'll check it again on master - just to be sure 19:34 wizzyrea thank you for checking .8 tho 19:34 wizzyrea I mean, I know it's happening on .4 19:34 wizzyrea :) 19:34 wizzyrea I have real life examples! 19:35 jcamins Right, but I could have done it wrong. 19:35 wizzyrea well I suppose so 19:45 rangi Morning 19:45 oleonard Hi rangi 19:45 jcamins Morning. 19:45 wahanui morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast. 19:46 druthb hi, rangi. :) 19:47 cait good morning rangi :) 19:51 wizzyrea mornin rangi 19:56 rangi A rainy morning it is too 19:56 wizzyrea here too 19:56 wizzyrea @wunder 66049 19:56 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Jeff's Weather Lab, Lawrence, Kansas is 22.6°C (2:54 PM CDT on August 14, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1017 hPa (Falling). 19:57 wizzyrea clear now tho 20:00 rambutan wizzyrea: you got rain? You must have gotten it all, we got zip. 20:01 wizzyrea bummer :( yea it rained most of the morning 20:04 cait @wunder Konstanz 20:04 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 22.0°C (10:00 PM CEST on August 14, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Rising). 20:04 cait very nice weather here right now 20:05 rangi Ok my stop bbiab 20:06 wizzyrea very nice weather here too 20:06 wizzyrea i almost want to have a picnic 20:06 wizzyrea it's perfect out at the moment 20:14 rangi back 20:21 oleonard See you tomorrow. Look for the sad oleonard in mibbit clothing again ;) 20:21 rangi heh 20:21 rangi cya oleonard 20:21 wajasu though bug 8607 was signed off, i noticed and found a related bug 8378 which i am attempting to fix 20:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8607 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , overdue_notices is broken 20:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8378 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , <fine> syntax not working on overdues anymore 20:22 rangi cool 20:24 cait very cool 20:24 cait wajasu: would be happy to see that working well again 20:25 rangi wajasu: how did you get on with fitnesse ? 20:27 wajasu i researched, installed, and found its evolved somewhat. its a wiki. BAs can write high level BDD/TDD scenarios close to plain english, which fail initially. then devs can write fixtures to enable tests. 20:27 rangi ahh right 20:28 wajasu the idea is to write the base fixtures that give access to the domain model, and the driver should bridge things. 20:29 wajasu now its primarily in java, and a jar, but the new version uses a languag agnostic protocol called slim. 20:30 wajasu i started thinking, that if the fixtures can be written in groovy, they would be less verbose than java. other perl fixtures can be written too. 20:31 wajasu once you have a bastion of tests, porting to knew languages or implementaions is easier, because you've got your actual requirements codified. 20:32 rangi yep 20:32 rangi the problem we have isnt functional unit tests 20:32 rangi we have around 10000 of those 20:33 wajasu anyway, i'll try to see if i can write a driver for koha, and see if its feasible after i attempt this patch. 20:33 rangi we need UAT testing, web based, using something like www::mechanize etc 20:33 rangi something that can test the js + css + html + perl + database all working together 20:34 rangi but id still like to see what it can come up with 20:35 wajasu after awhile, i thought, we might try using the latest java/groovy testing stuff (webunit, geb, gradle, etc) so that might be another option. 20:36 wajasu i think you guys are heading toward a layered architecture, with services, so i am thinking about testing persistent domain objects, services, javascript, webdriver. 20:37 rangi yeah thats a way down the track tho 20:38 rangi the biggest problem we have, is testing the actual app usage .. testing components of it .. pretty simple, perl has a lot of great testing frameworks for that 20:38 rangi its testing the whole of it working together is the trick 20:38 * rangi hopes he is making sense 20:39 wajasu you want the browser to be driven? via webdriver (selenium), a really integration tests. 20:40 wizzyrea the last time I used selenium it didn't do so well with some of our javascript 20:40 rangi yeah, we 'try' to use selenium a lot at work for our projects (we do some pretty biggish sites (not koha related) at catalyst) 20:41 rangi you spend more time fixing your tests than testing 20:41 wizzyrea ^^ was what I discovered 20:41 * wizzyrea is glad i'm not alone in that assessment 20:41 rangi what we have been working on is this 20:41 rangi when i say we, i mean jcamins 20:42 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Interface_testing_with_WWW::Mechanize 20:42 * jcamins waves. 20:42 wajasu writing tests is coding, configuring is coding, coding is coding. :) 20:42 wajasu i saw jcamins used Mechanize in a test i think. 20:42 rangi wajasu: not writing tests, rewriting them again and again because they fail in unexplained ways 20:43 wizzyrea or because "selenium can't push that button" 20:43 rangi thats my experience with selenium, we have a 8 person QA team here at catalyst, they pretty much gave up on it 20:43 wizzyrea I might have been doing it wrong though ;) 20:43 cait same for me 20:43 cait I never got my tests to run again successfully 20:44 cait they just stopped working :( 20:44 jcamins WWW::Mechanize always works great for me. :/ 20:44 rangi oh mechanize is fine 20:44 rangi im carping about selenium 20:44 jcamins Testing search.pm... 20:44 rangi and why mechanize is better, at least it fails consistently if it fails 20:44 wajasu so you really arent concerned about calling perl directly. 20:45 rangi not really, we have a good handle on that already 20:45 * jcamins bangs his head against the desk. 20:45 wajasu ha 20:45 rangi and an ever increasing test suite of perl unit tests 20:45 jcamins Environment variables are a lousy way to handle intra-Perl script communication. 20:45 rangi yes they are 20:45 cait jcamins: I was referring to selenium :) 20:46 cait and talking about search.... 20:46 cait jcamins you might know this - bug 6713 20:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6713 critical, P3, ---, henridamien.laurent, Needs Signoff , marc import not matching 20:46 cait in my tests it worked nicely without the patch 20:47 jcamins cait: I've tried it a few times, and it always works perfectly. 20:47 jcamins Before the patch. 20:47 cait ok 20:47 cait so... do we agree on - resolved worksforme? 20:47 cait until someone says differently? 20:48 jcamins Sounds good. 20:50 jcamins Okay... 20:50 jcamins I think I want to test DOM. 20:50 jcamins Do I want to be testing Zebra with or without ICU? 20:50 cait hah, I closed a bug! 20:51 cait you want to test both? :P 20:51 jcamins cait: not today. 20:51 cait hmmm 20:51 cait with icu 20:51 cait less testers for that around 20:51 jcamins Darn. 20:53 jcamins Oh for crying out loud. 20:56 * jcamins decides to take a break and pick up the herbs. 20:59 wajasu when i got into testing some javascript functionality in acquisitions, i began to see, that in a few years koha is going to have a heap of js to debug. 20:59 rangi yup 20:59 cait won't take a few years I think 20:59 rangi js testing, i could roll with that 20:59 rangi specially if i didnt have to do it 21:01 wajasu i had to give up on a test yesterday because i can't understand the behavior before or after, and unless i can talk with the component lead, i can't verify. 21:02 wizzyrea you can always just ask here 21:02 wajasu let me look up the bug. 21:03 wajasu bug 8382 21:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8382 blocker, P1 - high, ---, christophe.croullebois, Needs Signoff , It is not possible to cancel an order when receiving on a filtered page in parcel.pl 21:04 wizzyrea oh yes, the language barrier strikes 21:04 wajasu once i got a order placed, i figured i was suppose to get some filter widget on the left side of the page to filter. 21:04 wizzyrea ah I think you need to "receive" the order 21:04 wajasu i did it, and it change the table to have a column with Receive/Cancel links 21:05 wajasu you might be right. 21:05 wajasu i didn't receive 21:05 wizzyrea :) 21:05 wajasu i put 1 in the orderline of the filter and the tables changed, and i hit the Cancel link 21:06 wajasu and it showed Delete Order/Can't delete .... and ctalog record. 21:06 wajasu i'll go try again later.. 21:06 wajasu i'll receive it. 21:06 * wizzyrea kinda tries 21:07 wizzyrea sorta 21:07 wajasu then navigate using filter and then see if cancel shows and pops up. 21:07 cait good night all:) 21:07 rangi night cait 21:08 wajasu all i know is the way you go around to get things done in aqui... is convoluted. i would give up as a user. 21:08 wajasu we need so help/hints/ tooltips to guide folks down our sordid paths :) 21:10 cait or we need to fix the workflows :) 21:10 wajasu thats what i mean 21:10 cait I think the basic stuff is not bad, but more consistency... maybe 21:10 wajasu i can tell a different bloke wrote each piece of the workflow 21:10 cait mmh yes 21:10 wajasu consistency. 21:10 wahanui consistency is always a good thing. It will make using DBI::Class that much easier. 21:11 cait but fixing up terms to be the same on each page 21:11 cait would be a good start 21:11 cait like the prices 21:11 wajasu yes! edit/modify -> edit or such helps 21:12 wajasu does that newer template toolkit support something like sitemesh (a java thing) 21:19 cait not sure what that is, sorry 21:21 wajasu it decorates a site. it parses the view templates, decorating the page. so you define a base site framework, with nav, menu, css, js, etc and pages have more content. 21:21 wajasu its a java thing. forget i mentioned it. 21:22 cait ok :) but only because I am really tired right now 21:22 cait and that's why I should go - good night again :) 21:22 wajasu later 21:24 jenkins_koha Starting build #140 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 21:41 jcamins Basil and... 21:41 wizzyrea pine nuts 21:41 wizzyrea and garlic 21:41 wizzyrea and olive oil 21:41 jcamins I actually didn't notice. 21:43 jcamins Oregano. 21:43 jcamins Could one use green cabbage for pesto? 21:43 bag never heard of it jcamins 21:43 bag but give it try 21:44 wizzyrea technically you can use anything in pesto 21:46 jcamins http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/22/magazine/food-cabbage-fever.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm 21:47 jcamins I think a whole head of cabbage would probably be more-or-less a lifetime supply. 21:54 wizzyrea cabbage is kind of awesome raw tho 21:55 wajasu are we leverageing template toolkit to generate letters? 21:55 jcamins wizzyrea: I've always found it kind of boring. 21:55 jcamins wajasu: no, but that'd be a nice idea. 21:55 jcamins Cabbage is one of those things that I don't dislike, but I also don't know what to do with. 21:56 jcamins Okay, I have Zebra configuration files. 21:56 jcamins Now I need a Zebra database. 21:56 jcamins Well, Zebra indexes. 21:57 jcamins sandboxes? 21:57 wahanui sandboxes are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sandboxes 22:14 jcamins Useful fact: Zebra loads every single file in every single directory it is pointed at. 22:15 jcamins Actually, maybe not. 22:23 jcamins If anyone can explain this mystery for me, I would be grateful. 22:23 jcamins Zebra keeps on looking at my default.idx in kohaclone/etc/zebradb/etc. 22:23 jcamins There is no reference to default.idx anywhere. 22:24 wajasu not on KOHA_CONF or any of the files in the sub directories? 22:24 jcamins Well, there are the expected references to it. 22:24 jcamins But none include directories. 22:24 wajasu ps -aef , does the zebra daemon script specify it in a command line arg? 22:25 jcamins Ooooh. 22:26 jcamins Why yes, Zebra has been running for ages. 22:26 jcamins wajasu++ 22:27 wajasu cool. 22:28 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #140: SUCCESS in 1 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/140/ 22:28 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 6617: Improve MARC21 enhanced contents display 22:28 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 6617: Improve MARC21 enhanced contents display (intranet) 22:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6617 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , table of contents not printing right if entered right 22:33 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIMd5KFG1vQ 22:33 rangi awesome :) 22:34 wajasu ok. that was worth it. 22:39 jcamins Zebra config files are *weird*. 22:40 wajasu yup. 22:41 wajasu later when they get solr search working, we can write a test to compare results between zebra/solr to uncover missing.....time. 22:42 jcamins wajasu: that's what I'm working on... regression testing for Zebra. 22:44 wajasu does the koha z3950 or SRU server use zebra? 22:44 rangi yes 22:44 jcamins Both. 22:44 jcamins Though I just discovered that SRU probably doesn't work quite right. 22:44 rangi zebra is a z3950 and SRU server 22:44 rangi thats what it is 22:44 rangi koha searches it, via Z3950 22:45 jcamins Well, via RPN. 22:45 rangi inside z3950 22:45 rangi thats the connection that zoom makes 22:46 jcamins I don't think we actually use Z39.50 everywhere. 22:46 jcamins We *should*. 22:46 rangi if we use zoom we are 22:46 jcamins ZOOM has a non-Z39.50 mode for connecting to Zebra. 22:46 rangi i dont know anywhere we set that 22:47 jcamins I thought I recalled being bitten by that while staring at SimpleSearch. 22:47 jcamins And weeping. 22:47 wajasu i learned about that some writing my migration app. i wrote a java yaz client to build marc records, and for to LOC and other z3950 servers and find by isbn, and then tied matching authors if multiple were found. 22:48 rangi if its using Zconn it wont be 22:48 wajasu i had to query at an acceptable rate, but a couple of days and 15000 bibs later, I had marcxml to import. :) 22:49 jcamins I think we aren't using Zconn somewhere. A fact I discovered when mocking it didn't work. 22:50 rangi hhmm i wonder where, we do in C4/Search 22:50 rangi even in the pile of poo that is SimpleSearch 22:51 jcamins I could have been confused. 22:51 jcamins ... and there's only one record in this database. 22:51 jcamins Argh! 22:52 rangi heh 22:54 wajasu the overdue notice seems to transform <fine>USD</fine> to <<item.fine>>, but at the wrong place. The change history is busy. 22:57 jcamins Oh thank goodness. 22:57 jcamins I finally managed to get records into my system. 22:57 jcamins Though, no authorities. 22:57 jcamins Argh. 22:58 jcamins A fact which I have every intention of ignoring for the foreseeable future. 23:00 wajasu are you using the new index_daemon patch that incrementally indexes. it can be helpfull. 23:05 jcamins Right, new plan. 23:06 jcamins wajasu: I was using that, but right now I'm actually torturing Zebra for fun and profit. 23:06 wajasu gatcha 23:08 wajasu i can't believe we don't have a function that when you grab a biblio from z3950, we don't offer some authorities scraped from LOC or such. or at least a popup to choose, download, merge/link. 23:10 jcamins LC doesn't share their authorities. 23:10 rangi yeah thats a legality thing 23:10 rangi not a technical thing 23:10 rangi you gots to pay for that 23:11 wajasu this overdue_notice get more complicated since one could have multiple overdue items and a fine for each. 23:11 wajasu i mean from http://authorities.loc.gov/ 23:11 wajasu thats what my users use. 23:12 jcamins Yeah, you can't download records from that programmatically. 23:12 jcamins Or, at least, if you decide to do it, you can't advertise the fact. 23:13 wajasu oh 23:13 rangi like a said, not a technical issue :) 23:13 rangi Users do not have to register or request permission to search, save, print, or email the LC authority records. The only limitation is that authority records may only be saved, printed or emailed one at a time. 23:14 wajasu well, we could create our own P2P authority torrent that no one owns, but then ... 23:14 wajasu crowdsourcing would build it up in no time. 23:14 rangi i like your optimism :) 23:15 wajasu then we'd have our own litter bibster drame. 23:15 wajasu drama 23:15 rangi one thing ive learnt about libraries .. they talk about sharing 23:15 rangi doing it 23:15 rangi not so much 23:15 jcamins wajasu: technically the LC authority file is in the public domain in the US. 23:15 jcamins The problem is that first you have to get it. 23:17 wajasu is that that story i heard about a couple of years back, where so guys sucked the whole thing down through a university account, and then put it on the torrent/inet? 23:18 wajasu i think we should grab sears, and whatever, and then compile our own using bayesian algorithms. 23:18 jcamins No, that was an employee at LC. 23:19 wajasu what about the file at archive.org from some university. 23:19 rangi all your authorities are spelt wrong for us anyway :P 23:20 jcamins wajasu: that was his. 23:21 jcamins rangi: and yet you still use them. 23:21 jcamins Oh thank goodness. 23:21 rangi actually we dont 23:21 rangi we use the ones from Te Puna 23:21 rangi with less z 23:21 jcamins Heh. 23:21 jcamins You don't work with any OCLC libraries? 23:23 rangi nope 23:23 rangi they price prohibitively 23:23 jcamins copy doesn't forcibly overwrite files. 23:23 rangi all our libraries are members of te puna 23:23 rangi all the ones who use authorities anyway 23:25 wajasu i realized that the categorization of knowledge was really controlled by a few people in the world until the internet took off. 23:27 jcamins What the... 23:27 wahanui hmmm... the is a stop word 23:27 wajasu a vetigal nozebra thing 23:27 wajasu vestigal 23:28 jcamins I HATE ZEBRA!!! 23:28 rangi take a chill pill :) 23:28 jcamins Easy for you to say. 23:29 jcamins I still can't get Zebra to start. 23:29 rangi thats what you get for poking at it 23:29 jcamins Thank merciful goodness. 23:29 jcamins Zebra is running. 23:30 jcamins Okay, maybe "merciful" is pushing it. 23:31 wajasu perl code is so selfish. its my my my everywhere! 23:33 wajasu i think with dynamic languages, you can crank out stuff quick, but maintenance is a nightmare. if there were contracts/interfaces, someone could just reimplement from scratch faster. 23:34 jcamins And there are results! 23:34 rangi course we'd still be wwriting it and have no users 23:34 rangi :) 23:34 wajasu thats why we need tests. with lots of coverage, so one can reimnplement and not debug. 23:34 jcamins wajasu: like I'm working on. 23:34 jcamins I agree. 23:34 rangi wajasu: bug 5327 23:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5327 major, P3, ---, bart.tj, Passed QA , Unit tests required for all C4 modules 23:34 rangi write more :) 23:35 jcamins And if you want to jump in and do C4::Search, be my guest! 23:35 jcamins You can have the work I did so far. 23:35 wajasu Noooo. 23:35 wajasu i'm flailing with overdue notice. 23:36 jcamins Okay... I have a problem. 23:36 jcamins Maybe. 23:37 rangi oh i like bug 8641 23:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8641 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Signed Off , Add information warning about log-in as root user to About->System information 23:37 jcamins Me too! 23:37 rangi mveron++ 23:38 jcamins I need to slurp zebrasrv's output without blocking. 23:42 jcamins Preferably without spending too much time delving into the inner workings of Perl's threading support. 23:43 jcamins Awesome. 23:43 jcamins Zebra is segfaulting. 23:43 jcamins yaz, rather. 23:50 wajasu gdb 23:51 jcamins It worked. 23:53 jcamins Ummm... 23:53 jcamins this is a problem. 23:55 jcamins Oh, right. open is async. 23:58 wajasu is there any popular messaging bus in the perl world? 23:58 wajasu or queue service? 23:59 jcamins I don't know. 23:59 jcamins But I'm writing a test. 23:59 rangi id use Net::DBus to just hook into D-Bus