Time Nick Message 00:46 libsysguy ala_3v0 it looks like that user doesn't have permissions to do drops 01:04 ala_3v0 how can permissions be granted? 01:06 jwagner ala_3v0, do you mean staff user permissions? Create a patron record with a staff category type, then in the patron details display go under More, Set Permissions. 01:10 libsysguy jwagner I think ala_3v0 needs database permissions 01:11 libsysguy ala_3v0: you need to look here http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/grant.html 01:12 jwagner ah, well, coming into the middle of a discussion :-) Wasn't sure if the meeting was now or an hour from now -- I take it that it's later. 01:12 libsysguy haha if its now it sure is quiet 01:13 jwagner One can always hope.... 01:13 libsysguy brooke isn't here yet so i think its safe to say we're early 01:14 rangi yeah its in 48 mins 01:14 libsysguy oh well, back to re-writing the calendar I go 01:14 wajasu jcamins: i found what prevented AutoCreateAuthorities = generate from working in 3.8.3. The broken environment had 'broader_headings' in the LinkerOptions field. Once I removed that, the record saved. 01:14 rangi but im gonna be at an irl meeting then, and im not expecting any of the europeans to make it 01:15 libsysguy irl meetings are overrated 01:15 libsysguy irc meetings are better 01:17 ibeardslee I think the NZOSS could learn from your irc meetings 01:17 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_8_August_2012#Agenda 01:18 rangi there i added my bit to the agenda 01:18 rangi kathryn can probably sub in for me 01:20 kathryn I'm happy to attend rangi (thanks for reminder) 01:26 rangi right time to go to the other meeting 01:30 Brooke o/ 01:31 libsysguy \o 01:33 Brooke oh yeah, ain't no high five like an IRC high five cause an IRC high five don't stop! 01:34 libsysguy they can 01:34 libsysguy o/*\o 01:34 libsysguy bam 01:34 Brooke oh snap! 01:34 Brooke libsysguy++ 01:34 libsysguy hehe you're welcome…feel free to use that 01:35 Brooke I think that should be bawlin for thatcamp :D 01:35 libsysguy heh 01:35 Brooke regular nerding wasn't cutting it this week, so I stepped it up to SuperNerd 01:35 Brooke http://caana2012.thatcamp.org/ 01:36 libsysguy i wish I had that domain name 01:36 Brooke is it not the nerdiest? 01:36 Brooke the only possible one up on that would be phatcamp 01:37 libsysguy omg is that taken 01:37 Brooke yeah 01:37 Brooke it's just phunny to see WHO took it XD 01:38 libsysguy and its parked on godaddy 01:38 Brooke I'm sure slef is a member ;) 01:38 libsysguy what a shame 01:38 Brooke HA!!!! 01:38 Brooke oh delicious irony! 01:38 libsysguy aww poor slef 01:39 libsysguy sometimes I go to koha.com 01:39 libsysguy just to see how the hockey team is doing 01:58 Brooke it's almost peanut butter jelly time ^H^H^H^^H time for the meeting 01:59 libsysguy 3 mins and counting 02:00 * thd prefers peanut butter without jelly 02:00 slef Huh? 02:01 dcook Morning #koha 02:02 slef libsysguy: what are you saying? 02:02 Brooke snap hammah time! 02:02 libsysguy slef I have no idea 02:02 Brooke #startmeeting 02:02 wahanui if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me 02:03 huginn Meeting started Wed Aug 8 02:01:06 2012 UTC. The chair is Brooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 02:03 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 02:03 Brooke #topic Introductions 02:03 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 02:03 Brooke Welcome, welcome please introduce yourselves with #info 02:03 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 02:03 slef #info MJ Ray, software.coop, Miami 02:04 kathryn #info 02:04 libsysguy #info Elliott Davis, ByWater Solutions, Tyler Tx 02:04 jwagner #info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS 02:04 dcook #info David Cook, Prosentient Systems 02:04 kathryn #info Kathryn Tyree, Catalyst IT, NZ 02:06 mtj #info mason james - kohaaloha 02:07 Brooke okie dokie, Chris is at a different meeting. Magnus is sleeping (as I'd hope most Europeans are doing.) 02:07 mtj hi all 02:07 Brooke movin' on 02:08 Brooke #topic announcements 02:08 Irma #info Irma Birchall CALYX Australia 02:08 Brooke anyone have any neato nifty keen announcements? 02:10 Brooke #topic Roadmap to 3.6 02:10 slef not I 02:11 libsysguy maybe next time ;) 02:12 Brooke hi cait 02:13 Brooke anyone want to chime in on 3.6? 02:13 mtj i've been 'prettiying' chris' koha-dashboard -> http://dash1.kohaaloha.com/ 02:13 mtj re: neato, nifty, keen 02:14 thd mtj: That link did not work for me. 02:14 kathryn nor me 02:14 libsysguy me either…maybe we ddosed it 02:15 Brooke I get an it works without the 1 02:15 Brooke so the test page does XD 02:15 Brooke so we'll look forward to seeing that soon :D 02:16 kathryn thanks mtj look forward to prettier kittens :) 02:16 Brooke #topic Roadmap to 3.8 02:16 Brooke I'm just going to read directly from the agenda 02:16 Brooke Still plan to release 3.8.4 on schedule, I am picking patches that have passed qa, and that fix bugs, directly into 3.8.x. But leaving them set passed QA so paul can push them to master when he gets back. Please continue signing off and doing QA, especially bug fixes. 02:17 Brooke for those that do not know 02:17 Brooke since it's so under the radar 02:17 Brooke Paul is actually French 02:17 * libsysguy gasps 02:17 Brooke (and there was another Frenchie just like him at WikiMania, and I had to do my best to not swallow my teeth when he used the same introduction XD) 02:18 slef So takes a long holiday:-) 02:18 Brooke Frenchie national holiday now 02:18 Brooke ^ what that guy said 02:18 Brooke #topic Roadmap to 3.10 02:18 Brooke #info read the RM notes and agenda for progress on 3.8 and 3.10 02:18 slef and doesn't work from it like us crazy anglos 02:19 Brooke #topic KohaCon2013 02:19 Brooke it's in Reno for folks that weren't here last time 02:20 libsysguy are there still casinos in Reno? 02:20 slef Anything more known yet? 02:20 Brooke I just checked the provisional site, and there's naught up there 02:20 thd Yes, and casinos mean cheap air fare, at least from the US. 02:20 Brooke and yes as far as I know libsysguy 02:20 slef Shall I send them am invite to the next irc meeting? 02:21 rangi back 02:21 Brooke sure why not 02:21 Brooke it's supper time there 02:21 Brooke so perhaps eating 02:21 rangi #info chris c - late because of another meeting 02:21 slef Next meeting time ok for them? 02:21 Brooke yep, read your apology and your agenda note :) 02:21 Brooke slef: not sure 02:21 slef he he I'm slow typing on phone here 02:22 Brooke #info watch http://kohacon2013.wordpress.com/venue/ or wherever else the Reno folks decide to update stuff. 02:22 rangi actually 02:22 Brooke I'm not #linking that 02:22 rangi watch 02:22 Brooke cause that might not end as their official site 02:23 rangi http://koha-community.org/kohacon13/ 02:23 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon13_Summary 02:23 rangi #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon13_Summary 02:23 Brooke hooray 02:23 rangi #link http://koha-community.org/kohacon/kohacon13-2/ 02:23 mtj [off] oops, teh correct url was http://dash.kohaaloha.com 02:24 Brooke sweet! 02:24 Brooke mtj++ 02:24 rangi nice! if you push that mason 02:24 Brooke that is totally going in info :P 02:24 rangi ill change the logos, and get it running on the actual url 02:24 Brooke #info new dashboard 02:24 Brooke #link http://dash.kohaaloha.com/ 02:24 rangi ack 02:25 rangi mtj: did you want that linked? 02:25 mtj pass, either/or is ok :) 02:25 thd Is there an unlink command? 02:26 thd ... or merely manual editing of the summary. 02:26 mtj thd: nope -> http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot 02:26 rangi if mtj doesnt care thats fine, its just that it wont ever update :) 02:27 rangi but once he commits the code to git, ill merge and get it running on the server that talks to the live db 02:27 Brooke so things will be prettier soon 02:28 rangi just need a little koha logo, and change the background to not be twitter :) but it looks awesome 02:28 Brooke #topic Roles for 3.12 02:28 Brooke I'm going to assume this is a let's talk about this a little 02:28 Brooke cause it's the first time in a bit I've seen summat like this 02:28 Brooke as in "Heads up, 3.12 is a coming!" 02:29 rangi hmm im sure its been on the mailing list 02:29 BobB #info Bob Birchall, Calyx - just joining, sorry I'm late 02:29 rangi and yep, in the newsletter 02:29 rangi http://koha-community.org/koha-newsletter-volume-3-issue-7-july-2012/#roles 02:30 rangi its more a, sign up if you want to do something, or else ill just volunteer you anyway 02:30 * Brooke nods. 02:30 libsysguy Koha draft 02:30 Irma #info sorry I must run ... Cheers all. 02:30 Brooke it's just Jared so far, so more thinking, but thinking must turn into doing 02:31 rangi just one volunteer for RM is fine 02:31 rangi you have to be a nutjob to want to do it anyway 02:32 thd However, jcamins should have an actual proposal at some point. 02:32 Brooke yep, but RM is not the only post 02:32 rangi he does 02:32 Brooke *hint hint* 02:32 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.12 02:32 rangi did you look? 02:32 mtj you definitely speak from experience there, chris 02:32 rangi :) 02:32 slef Organised is not the only fruit 02:32 thd oops, wrong link. 02:33 mtj -> http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Jcamins_Proposal_for_RM-3.12 02:33 slef Love this predictive text... 02:33 rangi its a very very good proposal imho 02:33 Brooke Kiwi wavelength, Bru. 02:33 Brooke 0200 is psychic! 02:34 thd It is a fantastic proposal, and much better than his identity page :) 02:34 rangi we need a rmmaint for 3.10 and maybe 3.6 02:34 Brooke *cough* meeting chair is vacant *cough* 02:35 rangi and we need lots and lots more bug wranglers 02:35 rangi and meeting chair 02:35 rangi and QAM 02:35 rangi so spread the word 02:35 rangi or mtj will be doing all of them 02:35 rangi :) 02:35 Brooke will a kitten in fact die if no one adopts 3.6? 02:36 thd Does wahanui volunteer to chair meetings? 02:36 rangi nope Brooke 02:36 Brooke waha would prolly do a better jorb 02:36 slef I didn't want to code that 02:36 Brooke anything else about roles for 3.12? 02:36 rangi normally you get a year out a stable series, but if someone was really attached to 3.6.x 02:37 mtj hay - now about 2 meeting-chairs - for better timezone coverage? 02:37 rangi and wanted to continue it for longer than the year, wouldnt hurt 02:37 rangi mtj: if you can find 2 ... 02:37 BobB Brooke are you serious about stepping down from meeting chair? 02:37 Brooke BobB I was serious last time until I was drafted to dictate :P 02:37 BobB :) 02:38 mtj no-one wants the 4am meeting-char slot :/ 02:38 Brooke #topic Miscellaneous 02:39 Brooke random stuff goes here 02:39 slef Can't get more random than predictive text 02:40 slef Except it types that fine:-) 02:40 mtj i've got some koha+bootstrap stuff that i plan to show-off soon-ish... 02:41 mtj bootstrap == http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap 02:41 thd We have overlooked rangi's proposal from the previous meeting. 02:41 rangi what was that? 02:42 thd Using a tool such as gerrit. 02:42 thd rangi: You were not present for the previous meeting so there was no real consideration in your absence. 02:42 rangi ahh, that came up at kohacon 02:43 rangi there wasnt a huge amount of enthusiasm 02:43 thd rangi: Why was enthusiasm lacking? 02:44 rangi i think itd be something an RM could propose as part of their proposal in the future perhaps 02:44 mtj hmm, at the meeting perhaps not - but most devs are very keen for gerrit? 02:44 * Brooke smells a survey waiting to happen. 02:44 rangi not at the hackfest nope 02:45 mtj wow, thats very surprising to me ?! 02:45 rangi i think a survey without people trying it 02:45 slef Looked good but up g torm 02:45 rangi would promote a lot of uniformed decisiosn, ie people really need to see it in action first 02:45 rangi what slef said 02:45 slef Maybe a small risk of becoming a popularity contest? 02:46 Brooke one would hope that folks wouldn't take a survey they didn't know a drop about, or would be screened out XD 02:46 slef Stuck it and see 02:46 rangi the RM would have to deal with it on a daily, nay hourly basis, so I really think its their call 02:46 thd The issue which confused me is the relation between gerrit and mahara. 02:46 slef Brooke 02:46 rangi thd: none at all 02:46 rangi mahara use gerrit 02:46 slef You know that don't always work 02:46 rangi its like the relationship between koha and apache 02:47 thd Koha does not do much without apache or some other webserver. 02:47 rangi their gerrit is nice and open so its an easy one to look at, to see it in action 02:48 mtj thd: like the relationship between koha and git? 02:48 rangi thd: its a tool that the project uses, like we use tools 02:48 rangi thats it 02:48 mtj one uses the other.... optionally 02:48 slef Yeah agree with rangi 02:48 kathryn oh like me and my cake mixer :D 02:48 slef Rm call 02:49 rangi +1 02:49 thd mahara is a project which happens to use gerrit? 02:49 rangi gotta go 02:50 mtj thd, yep - you've got it 02:50 thd mtj: Thanks for the clarification. I had been trying to find some deeper association which did not exist. 02:51 Brooke bingo 02:51 mtj i agree with slef and rangi - the RM makes the call for/against gerrit 02:52 Brooke movin' on 02:52 Brooke I assume this will resurface if folks want to pursue it between now and next month, but I expect it might die in a back alley 02:53 Brooke #topic Time of Next Meeting 02:53 mtj Brooke: i think gerrit has some champions within Koha... 02:53 Brooke could be 02:53 Brooke and hopefully they step up and convince the RM to take it on or no 02:54 mtj yep, thats the one :) 02:55 mtj ok, who is the best here at next-meeting math? 02:55 mtj slef or thd usually :) 02:55 Brooke so it's 18 UTC I think 02:55 Brooke unless I'm going the wrong way again 02:56 Brooke which is quite possible with 3 hours of exercise and this hour of night XD 02:56 slef I van never remember which easy it goes 02:56 jwagner next one should be 18 02:56 slef Cool 02:57 mtj so, 18 utc, in one month, on sept 8th ? 02:57 * thd is uncertain which way the clock is turning. 02:58 jwagner Should be Sept 5, if we're sticking to Wednesday 02:58 Brooke I've the 8th as a Sat 02:59 mtj oops, ok ... sept 5th , 18 UTC it is then :) 02:59 slef Cool 02:59 mtj cheers #koha 02:59 Brooke proposal is 5 Sep 18 UTC 02:59 Brooke +1 if that works 02:59 libsysguy +1 03:00 thd +1 03:00 mtj +1 03:01 jwagner +1 03:01 slef +1 03:02 Brooke clearly your silence is a sign of assent 03:02 Brooke #info next meeting is 5 Sep 18 UTC 03:02 Brooke #endmeeting 03:02 huginn Meeting ended Wed Aug 8 03:00:20 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 03:02 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-08-08-02.01.html 03:02 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-08-08-02.01.txt 03:02 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-08-08-02.01.log.html 03:02 slef Cool.thanks all 03:04 Brooke thanks for coming :) 03:07 slef If anyone wants me, I'm in the beachfront poolside bar 03:08 mtj are you really in miami? 03:08 thd slef: Did you bring your sunblock? 03:08 slef No 03:08 slef It's Miami beach really 03:09 slef Which I believe is a different city 03:09 slef thd: hell yeah. Factor 50 03:09 dcook I hope this is not in bad taste, but now that the meeting is over...how does one report bugs/issues that arise from third-party code? (specifically jquery.dataTables.min.js version 1.9.1 displaying "Next" and "Previous" as link text rather than link titles... 03:10 thd dcook: Are you identifying a bug in the Koha implementation of JQuery or in JQuery itself? 03:10 dcook JQuery itself 03:11 mtj http://datatables.net/ 03:11 dcook 1.8.1 was fine, but 1.9.1 introduces the issue 03:11 thd dcook: You should then report that bug upstream as well as reporting it at bugs.koha-community.org . 03:12 mtj http://datatables.net/support 03:12 thd slef: Do we have a good way of tracking upstream bugs in Bugzilla? 03:12 mtj theres a 1.9.2 now, fyi... 03:13 slef thd: no. Link it and pray 03:13 thd dcook: Yes add a Koha bug report and link to any upstream bug report. 03:14 mtj dcook: fyi bug doesnt exist here ? -> http://datatables.net/ 03:14 slef Bye:-) 03:15 dcook Thanks, thd 03:15 dcook Not quite following you, mtj 03:15 mtj look at that page... does the bug exist on that page? 03:15 thd dcook: mtj is suggesting that the bug does not seem to be present upstream currently. 03:16 mtj page is using -> Version: 1.9.2 03:16 mtj dcook: try upgrading to 1.9.2 ? 03:18 mtj dcook: and if the fix works... log a bug, send a patch ;) 03:20 thd dcook: I think that mtj has found the best solution. 03:20 dcook Agreed 03:20 thd Good night #koha. 03:21 dcook night, thd 03:23 dcook Still not sure what you were referring to before mtj, but I'll take a look.. 03:24 mtj sheesh, theres a table on that url 03:24 mtj .. that looks correct, as far as i can see 03:24 mtj .. using jquery.dataTables.min.js version 1.9.2 03:25 mtj yes? 03:25 Brooke later! 03:25 mtj the table on this url -> http://datatables.net/ 03:25 dcook Mmm, I see what you're saying 03:26 dcook I thought that you were saying that there was a list of existing bugs somewhere 03:26 mtj nope, the table, on the page 03:26 dcook Got you now :p 03:26 mtj it looks correct? yes? 03:26 dcook Mmm, no 03:27 dcook Which makes me think that perhaps it does have to do with the implementation 03:27 dcook I've only ever written JS from scratch or linked to a file 03:27 dcook But when I download 1.9.2, it looks like it needs to build the file. 03:27 dcook In either case, it's really too much of a bother right now for a trivial issue 03:28 mtj pass, i dont understand your bug yet...but that example table looks fine to me 03:28 mtj on this page -> http://datatables.net/ 03:28 mtj so if you have another bug in your koha - its probably a koha bug, not a data-tables bug 03:28 dcook It's because it displays the buttons differently 03:29 dcook I'm wondering if it's a configuration issue of somekind 03:29 dcook On http://datatables.net, the Previous/Next buttons are just text 03:29 dcook In Koha, we use images 03:29 dcook But text is being shown over top of those images 03:30 dcook Take a look at /cgi-bin/koha/circ/pendingreserves.pl 03:30 dcook In at least 3.8.0 03:31 mtj sounds like an obvious css styling bug 03:31 dcook In 3.8.0, "Previous" and "None" were titles for the links 03:31 mtj sounds like an obvious css styling bug, in koha 03:31 dcook But in 3.9.x, the titles for the links are gone, and "Previous" and "None" are shown as link text 03:31 thd I have just noted that wiki.koha-community.org is down. 03:32 thd Would someone else confirm that? 03:32 dcook On it, thd 03:32 dcook Yup. Looks like it's down 03:32 dcook mtj: how is that possibly a css styling bug? 03:33 dcook The jquery script is building the links differently 03:33 thd Ok, the server seems to be down, not just the wiki on the server. 03:33 mtj if you log a bug, ill take a look at it :) 03:33 dcook You sweet-talker you :p 03:34 mtj heh, i should shut-up until i look at it 03:35 thd gmcharlt: please reboot the wiki machine or otherwise restore connectivity whenever you are awake. 03:36 mtj dcook: screenshots too, on this one ;) 03:36 thd gmcharlt: The wiki machine does not even respond to ssh. 03:36 thd Good night again. 03:37 dcook Sounds good, mtj 03:43 dcook Now that I look at it, maybe the actual function was broken in 1.8.1, but it just looked OK 03:43 * dcook will just post the bug... 03:51 dcook bug 8592 if you're curious anymore ;) 03:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8592 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Pendingreserves.tt is showing "Previous" and "Next" text over the "Previous" and "Next" buttons on the jQuery datatable 05:17 cait good morning #koha 05:37 dcook Good afternoon #koha 05:40 dcook I was wondering if anyone had thoughts about punctuation in regards to the display of MARC data 05:40 dcook Koha often seems to try to anticipate needed punctuation, especially when it comes to separating title and subtitle, as well as different elements of the physical description 05:40 dcook This means that you get a lot of duplicate punctuation marks when you actually catalogue correctly with AACR2 :/ 05:42 dcook Perhaps it's a useless question, but is the preference really for the system adding punctuation? I suppose it's possible that other systems do the same...but the whole point of specifying punctuation in your cataloguing standards is so that your data is portable :S 05:58 cait dcook: it might be it's because unimarc is different 05:58 cait I have been thinking about this too 05:59 cait germany decided to use marc21 without punctuation marks - but we have them in our data that we import into Koha. I was thinking maybe we could go without... it would make some things look better, like notices and the xslt templates don't need the punctuation 05:59 cait I think in Unimarc you don't have punctuation 06:03 dcook Intriguing 06:03 dcook I was thinking that there had to be something like that 06:04 cait bit of guessing here 06:04 cait really have no good solution yet - both options have advantages and disadvantages I think 06:05 dcook Like every situation, I suppose ;) 06:06 dcook I suppose it's an issue that affects every system too. There's always going to be conflicting data standards and systems :/ 06:06 cait ideally it should be possible to make both work... 06:06 cait at least for display 06:07 dcook Well, there might always be a factor that screws things up though 06:07 cait yeah 06:07 cait :( 06:07 cait no idea how to solve it 06:07 dcook Same :( 06:08 cait ok, leaving for work - back later 06:57 kf mveron++ 07:02 Joubu hi 07:03 kf hi matts and Joubu 07:03 matts hi ! 07:03 kf matts: how are the cats? :) 07:04 matts fine ! They survived my week of holiday, and weren't pouting that much when I came back :) 07:04 kf lucky :) 07:04 kf where have you been for holidays? 07:06 matts I went around Annecy, France 07:06 matts The lake is beautiful (one of the cleanest in Europe, have I heard) 07:06 kf :) 07:12 gaetan_B hello :) 07:16 rangi evening 08:00 bartsimpson rangi: hello :) me and jorgia are trying to submit her patch, do we need to submit a patch for the css seperately 08:01 rangi hmm, we probably need a bug to attach it to first 08:01 rangi lemme see if i can find one 08:03 rangi cant see a likely one so you can go to http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/enter_bug.cgi 08:03 rangi and create a new bug, then attach the patch to that 08:08 rangi bartsimpson: that ok? 08:09 bartsimpson what would the component be? 08:09 * magnuse waves 08:09 rangi bartsimpson: staff client 08:09 wahanui staff client is probably for the staff in the library, OPAC is for patrons 08:10 rangi hi magnuse and drojf 08:11 magnuse kia ora rangi 08:11 drojf hey rangi 08:11 kf hi magnuse and drojf 08:12 magnuse guten morgen kf 08:12 drojf moin kf 08:15 magnuse hiya drojf 08:15 drojf hei magnuse 08:17 bartsimpson rangi: We git-commited the file but it's not showing up where i'm used to it being, so what file should I attach 08:17 rangi did you do the git format-patch origin/master 08:18 bartsimpson oh right 08:18 rangi :) 08:20 bartsimpson rangi: we are going to submit the other version and the css aswell in attachments. :) 08:21 rangi sounds good to me 08:25 magnuse bartsimpson++ 08:27 magnuse kia ora eythian 08:27 rangi bartsimpson: the wifi still working ok on jorgia's laptop? 08:28 eythian God morgen magnuse 08:28 rangi hi eythian 08:29 eythian hiya rangi 08:30 kf hi eythian 08:30 eythian rangi: so I was listening to the music from the humble music bundle thing last night, got half way through one song before I realised it was completely in MÄori. 08:30 eythian hello kf 08:30 rangi eythian: oh really? cool, i wonder who sings it 08:31 eythian the same singers who do the other songs on the album. It seems to have a lot of languages (going from the song titles, anyway) 08:32 eythian although, it has (what sounds like) actual people doing part of it, but I can't tell if it's composed with, or sampled and mixed in. 08:32 eythian I suspect the latter however 08:32 kf got another mail with questions for the workshop :) 08:33 kf that was for eythian heh 08:34 eythian heh 08:34 kf good but not easy questions :) 08:35 kf want to know about koha/pazpar2 and koha as cms, Koha/oai-pmh... 08:38 bartsimpson rangi: yep it's operational :) 08:38 bartsimpson rangi: im going to work on that test i was working on now 08:38 rangi yay! 08:46 bartsimpson rangi: just to double check, it was 'members_attributetypes' that i was working on? 08:48 bartsimpson rangi: also jorgia is trying to git add her second patch, but it's coming up with an error, is there a line to enter to clear the first patch so she can process a new one? 08:48 rangi whats the error ? 08:48 rangi she might want to paste it 08:48 magnuse pastebin? 08:49 rangi bartsimpson: and yep that was the one you were working on 08:49 rangi paste.koha-community.org 08:49 magnuse pastebin is at http://paste.koha-community.org/ 08:49 magnuse pastebin? 08:49 wahanui pastebin is, like, at http://paste.koha-community.org/ 08:50 magnuse paste? 08:50 wahanui paste is probably found at http://paste.koha-community.org 08:50 magnuse ah 08:54 pastebot "jorgia" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "error i get after trying to git commit" (12 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/83 08:55 rangi hmm it looks like it thinks you have already committed that change 08:55 rangi can you do git log 08:56 jorgia i commited a change. this is a different one 08:56 eythian either that or forgot to save changes 08:56 eythian that message is saying "nothing's changed to be committed" 08:57 jorgia hmm ok. 08:57 jorgia i did a git log 08:58 rangi it only has the one commit? or are there 2 by you? 08:59 jorgia i did one before, this is the css for the script 08:59 jorgia or does the .tt cover both? 08:59 rangi ahh you might have accidentally done both files .. can you remember the bug number? 09:00 jorgia 8593 09:01 rangi ta 09:01 rangi ah nope that is only the tt 09:02 rangi hmm maybe you didnt save the css change? 09:02 jorgia Ok ill try again 09:02 jorgia thanks :) 09:02 rangi no worries, thanks for working on koha in your evenings :) 09:04 kf jorgia++ :) 09:04 magnuse jorgia++ 09:05 rangi @karma jorgia 09:05 huginn rangi: Karma for "jorgia" has been increased 6 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 6. 09:18 jorgia @karma jorgia 09:18 huginn jorgia: Karma for "jorgia" has been increased 6 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 6. 09:18 bartsimpson @Karma bartsimpson 09:18 huginn bartsimpson: Karma for "bartsimpson" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1. 09:18 bartsimpson damn :P 09:19 rangi bartsimpon++ 09:19 rangi there :) 09:20 rangi doh 09:20 rangi i cant spell 09:20 kf bartsimpson++ 09:20 rangi bartsimpson++ 09:20 * kf helps out 09:20 bartsimpson @karma bartsimpson 09:20 huginn bartsimpson: Karma for "bartsimpson" has been increased 3 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 3. 09:31 bartsimpson rangi: I did the terminal side of a prove_cover for my new patch, but don't remember how to look at it on firefox :) 09:32 bartsimpson wait nvm 09:32 bartsimpson got it :) 09:32 rangi :) 09:35 drojf pizza dough 1, kitchen mixer 0 :( 09:35 rangi ooops 09:35 drojf i hope it comes back to life when i wait a little 09:36 magnuse what's a pizza dough doing in a kitchen mixer in the first place? ;-) 09:36 kf that would have been my next question too 09:37 kf use your hands! :) 09:40 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ranginui: "more patches from the @CatalystAcademy students, 1 from bart, 1 from jorgia #kohails" 09:40 drojf it's a handmixer, never had problems with that. takes much longer by hand and i'm lazy? 09:41 kf yeah, you are :P 09:41 * magnuse does not knead his pizza doughs much 09:41 drojf ha! it's back. yeah german engineering. carried out somewhere in asia by an underpaid child :/ 09:41 kf it's much more authentic with hands 09:41 kf another reason to not use it 09:41 rangi i just throw mine on the road and let cars run over it for a bit 09:41 drojf lol 09:42 drojf pizza nz style? ;) 09:42 drojf do you bake it on a volcano afterwards? 09:42 rangi when i was in china, they did that with wheat 09:42 rangi quite smart, why thresh it when you can get traffic to do it for you 09:42 drojf heh that's brilliant 09:43 drojf kf: i don't like cheese, so what i call pizza is far from authentic ;) 09:47 kf you don't like cheese... hm. 09:48 drojf what is that supposed to mean? 09:48 kf hm. nothing? 09:49 rangi kf: how far away from you is fribourg ? 09:49 kf in switzerland? 09:49 rangi yep 09:49 rangi thats where anitsirk is today 09:50 bartsimpson rangi: I submitted the patch, its all right I think, I tested the end column of the mock-data to test the table and managed to check the 'fetch' thing :) Im getting off now though so see you tomorrow :) 09:50 kf google maps says 223 km 09:50 rangi thats next door in european terms :) 09:50 kf lol 09:50 kf it's 2.5 hours by train 09:50 kf um car 09:50 kf train probably much longer 09:50 kf so not exactly next door :) 09:51 rangi she was in heidelberg and was going to fribourg 09:51 kf :) 09:54 magnuse ouch, i'm trying to do bulkmarcimport.pl ... -match 999c and get an unfriendly error: 09:54 magnuse .Use of uninitialized value $recorddata in pattern match (m//) at misc/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.pl line 439, <GEN13> line 1. 09:54 magnuse unable to search the database for duplicates : No query entered at misc/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.pl line 218, <GEN13> line 1. 09:55 kf magnuse: you could use the stage import tools from command line 09:55 kf magnuse: that's what we do for the imports 09:55 kf still a bad bug tho :( 09:56 magnuse ah, yes 10:05 drojf searching "world cat day" without quotes on duckduckgo gives me "worldcat.org" as #1. yeah relevance 10:06 kf weltkatzentag? 10:06 drojf jo 10:06 drojf it's today ;) 10:06 kf oh nice 10:07 kf we should tell matts - his cats will expect a special menu :) 10:07 drojf :) 10:07 matts ^^ 10:09 kf :) 10:09 eythian why do cats need a day? 10:10 kf the queen has a day too? 10:11 drojf cats > queen 10:13 eythian cats don't even have a calendar 10:13 eythian does anyone know a decent UI wireframe/mockup thing that is also free software? 10:13 kf eythian: are you sure? 10:13 kf for a cat, every day is cat day :) 10:14 eythian right, why do you need a calendar to have caturday, and so they don't know if there's a specific day. 10:15 kf now I amconfused 10:15 kf time for lunch 10:15 magnuse ooh lunch 10:15 eythian yeah, that wasn't me at my most coherent 10:24 magnuse ok my brain is fried - i'm trying to help a library that has exported all their marc records in iso27109, cleaned up the data (including item data) and now they want to load the marc in again, to just replace the existing records and item data. what's the best way to do that? 10:25 magnuse it's ~70000 records, so stage marc records hangs 10:26 magnuse um, more like 77264 records, to be precise 10:27 rangi you can use the stage marc record script from the command line 10:28 rangi was that what you were doing? 10:28 magnuse nah, i was trying bulkmarcimport 10:28 magnuse how is it used from the command line? perldoc was not very helpful... 10:29 rangi ahh you need to ask kf when she gets back from lunch, i havent done it, but they do it a lot 10:30 magnuse ok, i'll pounce on her the minute she turns up! ;-) 10:30 magnuse thanks rangi 10:30 rangi no worries 10:53 magnuse http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2012-08-10_Global_bug_squashing_day 10:53 magnuse join the fun! 11:02 rangi Joubu: you about? 11:03 WaqarAzeem Hi, i logged in as admin and went to see the books onhold by some user... but somehow call-number is empty against the book (v3.6) 11:08 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @libriotech: "#kohails Global Bug Squashing Day coming up this Friday! http://t.co/9kQfx3xy" 11:11 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @KohaGBSD: "#kohails Global Bug Squashing Day coming up this Friday! http://t.co/ONZPBqqP" 11:28 jcamins magnuse: I use stage_* and commit_* to deal with that. 11:28 Joubu rangi: yes 11:57 magnuse jcamins: but how do you use it? is it documented anywhere? 11:58 jcamins magnuse: perldoc stage_records.pl? 11:58 jcamins No, just stage_biblios_file.pl --help 11:59 jcamins --file whatever --match-bibs {matcherid} 12:01 magnuse ahhhh, thanks! 12:03 magnuse wow, that's pretty neat 12:15 jcamins Joubu: I made the additional changes you requested on bug 7417. 12:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7417 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Include alternate forms from authorities in bibliographic searches 12:21 Joubu jcamins: ok thank you ;) 12:22 Joubu jcamins++ 12:26 oleonard Hi #koha 12:39 drojf hey oleonard 12:39 wahanui i heard oleonard was still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer 12:48 tcohen greetings #koha 13:10 * oleonard grumbles about Bug 8574 13:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8574 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, RESOLVED INVALID, test 13:11 kf because it's a test? 13:12 oleonard Yes. A test of what? 13:14 kf hm no idea? :) 13:32 mbalmer nengard, do you have a hires version of the edinburgh group foto somewhere (that I could for printing in the swiss librarian magazine) 13:33 nengard the one on flickr should allow you to download the original size 13:33 nengard http://www.flickr.com/photos/nengard/7162934703/sizes/o/ 13:35 eythian http://youtu.be/4RL9afO27Kg <-- nengard, this may amuse bengard 13:35 eythian (and possibly yourself 13:35 eythian ) 13:36 mbalmer oh yeah, that is fairly big, at least I shaved on day ;) thanks! 13:37 gmcharlt @later tell thd sorry -- we were moving the wiki to a different host; looks like no advance notice was sent 13:37 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. 13:40 hdl gmcharlt: was sent late last night but since the person was not subscribed to the list, it was stuck in the queue 13:41 gmcharlt hdl: ah, OK 13:41 Joubu kf: could you re signoff the Bug 7417 with followups when you have some time please ? Thus I can passed qa it ;) 13:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7417 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Include alternate forms from authorities in bibliographic searches 13:42 kf Joubu: I will try to do so tonight - thx :) 13:42 Joubu kf: thank you ! 13:43 oleonard Oh, I missed a meeting last night :( 13:45 kf oh? 13:45 kf oh, was it this morning? 13:46 wizzyrea heh 13:46 kf was someone there? 13:46 wizzyrea are we forgetting to send out messages and do posts? because I didn't know there was a meeting either 13:46 oleonard I guess "we" are wizzyrea... But who is "we?" 13:47 wizzyrea yes, good question 13:47 wizzyrea someone used to put the meeting times in the topic 13:47 kf it is there for me 13:47 jwagner I noticed yesterday that the wiki page listing meetings hasn't been updated since June 13:47 kf the meeting time 13:47 wahanui the meeting time is always going to favour one section of the globe 13:47 jwagner http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Meetings 13:47 wizzyrea it sure is 13:48 eythian wahanui: you are a bot, you don't have timezones 13:48 wahanui ...but wahanui is a bot|a repository of important and useful and accurate information or at least partially slow.... 13:48 jwagner I meant to bring it up last night. There was no notification to the lists, and no entry on the page. 13:48 drojf oops. feels like the last meeting was yesterday 13:48 drojf because it was long enough for three 13:50 drojf so nobody was at the meeting? there are no minutes 13:51 jwagner About a dozen people were there, drojf -- nothing really substantive was discussed 13:52 jwagner except that they are starting to ask for volunteers/candidates for the next cycle's roles (release manager, etc.) 13:52 wizzyrea minor things. 13:53 oleonard At least the next one is in the time slot where I won't miss it because I'm here anyway :| 13:54 eythian I hate when you find a cool feature in Perl that you didn't know existed, use it, and find that it's super-new and not in most versions yet. 13:54 eythian (in this case "s/.../.../r") 13:54 gmcharlt eythian: one of the reason I weep whenever I see a RHEL5 server 13:55 eythian haha 13:57 gmcharlt of course, with that it's more like "I hate it when you find a cool feature in Perl that's been there for at least 5 years..." 13:57 eythian "man, I miss being able to use regexes in perl" 13:57 gmcharlt eythian++ 14:01 * eythian hates writing test cases, especially when they fail. 14:03 kf heh 14:26 chris_n lol 14:50 maximep is there no way to do a code block in bugzilla ? A way to put code and have it not lose formating and with a different style ? 14:51 maximep something like a <pre> (that works in redmine). Just hard to read with a ton of code in comments :/ 14:51 kf I think you can't in the comments 14:53 * oleonard hoped there might be something here: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Bugzilla:Addons#Bugzilla_Extensions 14:54 maximep I guess I can paste text as an attachment for really long blocks of code 14:54 kf reading the documentation right now - have spotted nothing so far :( 14:54 kf maybe addon like oleonard suggests 15:01 eythian ah. So the new date picker in the reports interface produces dates that mysql doesn't like. 15:02 eythian (i.e. dd/mm/yyyy rather than yyyy-mm-dd) 15:05 jcamins Ugh. 15:05 jcamins 45 minutes sitting in a train halfway in the station. 15:05 eythian annoying. 15:06 jcamins Profoundly. 15:07 oleonard eythian: Because your dateformat pref is dd/mm/yyyy? 15:07 oleonard ...but the reports interface requires ISO? 15:07 eythian oleonard: yep 15:07 eythian the 3.8 selector puts in the ISO form 15:07 eythian but the master one is new and doesn't 15:07 oleonard I'm sure we can force the format for that page 15:07 eythian it would seem a good way, yeah. 15:08 oleonard If you file a bug I can look at it 15:08 eythian will do 15:09 jcamins eythian: writing tests is great! 15:09 jcamins It's the most fun ever! 15:10 jcamins ^^ that's my story and I'm sticking too it. 15:10 eythian heh 15:10 eythian well it's OK now that all 19 of them pass :) 15:10 maximep I love writing tests 15:11 kf lol 15:11 maximep didn't at first, but after the 10th time they spotted a regression, now I really do 15:11 kf so all of you - have fun! :) 15:11 maximep if I could I would write more test lines than code 15:12 jcamins maximep: and when you write the test before the feature, you hardly even have to think about whether or not the feature works. 15:12 maximep hoping I can do some TDD someday in a project 15:12 jcamins "Oh, it passes the tests and the pages all render without any Javascript errors? Excellent, my work here is done." :) 15:12 jcamins That's how I did bug 8209. 15:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8209 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , "Did you mean?" suggestions based on authorities 15:13 eythian oleonard: bug 8596 15:13 maximep imo every time you write here are the 25 steps to test that patch, there should instead have a selenium test that does it all for you 15:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8596 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Reports interface date picker doesn't force ISO formatted dates 15:13 jcamins That'd be awesome. 15:14 maximep yeah that patch in 8209 is amazing 15:15 maximep I really like your long and detailed patch messages :p 15:16 jcamins Hehe. I like to err on the side of more detail. 15:16 kf I like the test plans :) 15:17 kf and the code comments 15:17 maximep I pretty much hate every single patch and line of code I ever sent to the koha community 15:17 maximep haha 15:18 jcamins There's still time to change all that. :) 15:20 maximep yes and I finally have some time to do tests for my code 15:20 maximep yay 15:21 drojf DOM indexing is default in 3.8.3? 15:22 jcamins drojf: yup. 15:22 drojf alrighty. getting prepared to nuke the crazy zebra on friday 15:23 maximep what's DOM indexing ? :S 15:23 maximep found http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Switching_to_dom_indexing, but it doesn't explain much 15:24 drojf bug 7818 15:24 wahanui bug 7818 is, like, waiting for my QA. Should be pretty painless, as it works a charm 15:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7818 critical, P1 - high, ---, robin, Pushed to Stable , support DOM mode for Zebra indexing of bibliographic records 15:24 drojf wahanui forget bug 7818 15:24 wahanui drojf: I forgot bug 7818 15:26 maximep Koha currently uses Zebra’s GRS-1 filter for indexing MARC and Zebra’s DOM filter for indexing authority records (represented as MARCXML). 15:26 maximep love that line. I probably could spend 2 days googling all those terms lol 15:27 jcamins maximep: DOM is better. 15:28 drojf i love the examples 15:28 drojf What the GRS-1 index cannot provide, however, is the ability to index a phrase that spans subfield boundaries. For example, giving the subject heading: 650 $a Cats $x pharmacology $x catnip 15:29 maximep haha 15:30 drojf For example, the GRS-1 filter index definition melm 245 Title would allow 245 $a Cats on boxes : $b cardboard fantasies to be searched as the phrases "cats on boxes" or "cardboard fantasies", but a title phrase seach of "cats on boxes cardboard fantasises" wouldn't work. 15:30 drojf :) 15:31 jcamins Those are pretty great examples. 15:31 drojf can't explain things better than with cat examples 15:33 * kf nods 15:34 Joubu jcamins (and anyone interested) : Just for *information* (;-)) : I tried to replace Moose with Moo for Koha::Data::SearchEngine, and I failed. It is not simple. Moo does not support introspection for Moose objects. (and we have to overwrite an url attribute). However replace Moose with Mouse is as simple as s/Moose/Mouse/g :) 15:34 Joubu I launched nytprof with these 2 versions, results are quite similars: 15:34 Joubu Mouse : 1.91s (of 2.22s), executing 628721 statements and 219031 subroutine calls in 334 source files and 50 string evals. 15:34 Joubu Moose : 1.97s (of 2.31s), executing 672471 statements and 236729 subroutine calls in 322 source files and 50 string evals. 15:34 Joubu For a simple opac search (5 results to display) 15:35 jcamins Using Plack? 15:35 Joubu no, only cgi 15:35 oleonard I love having to use Firebug to enable the "place hold" button when *some* of multiple titles can't be placed on hold :P 15:36 jcamins Ohh... of course. The Solr code is still loading Moose for Data::SearchEngine::Solr. 15:36 * jcamins thinks you have a more powerful computer than his, though. ;) 15:37 Joubu hum, it's possible :) Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2520M CPU @ 2.50GHz 15:38 jcamins Yes, that's a bit more powerful. Like... a gazillion times. :) 15:39 * jcamins has decided to set colocate a server, when he has a change, to offload some of the Koha running onto. 15:39 Joubu "The Solr code is still loading Moose for Data::SearchEngine::Solr."> Yes of course. But I wanted to make sure that we could use Mouse or Moo for Koha::SE::Solr 15:39 jcamins -set 15:39 jcamins Right. 15:40 jcamins I was trying to figure out why they were so similar, given my benchmark results. 15:40 jcamins Mouse is available under Debian Squeeze. 15:41 Joubu yes, good news :) 15:41 jcamins http://shadow.cat/blog/matt-s-trout/moo-versus-any-moose/ 15:42 jcamins So... with Any::Moose, we could use Moose under Plack and Mouse under CGI? 15:42 jcamins Do I understand correctly? 15:45 Joubu It's what I understand too 15:45 jcamins Well, at least if we're wrong, we're both wrong. 15:46 jcamins And Any::Moose is available on Debian. 15:46 Joubu :) 15:47 jcamins I prefer Moo because it is lighter weight, but Mouse is still reasonable (I think) for CGI. 15:48 jcamins Where are you using introspection features in Koha::SE? 15:48 gaetan_B bye ! 15:49 jcamins (I'm not very familiar with that code, and I figure asking you is faster than trying to find it myself;) 15:49 Joubu It's not introspection. I just overwrite an attribute (has '+url'). Apparently, It's not possible from a Moose object with Moo 15:51 jcamins Hrm. That seems a bit like an anti-feature. 15:52 Joubu There is certainly a better way to do some parts. A thinking will be needed when we will choose our OO system. 15:52 jcamins Joubu: http://api.metacpan.org/source/MSTROUT/Moo-0.091011/xt/moose-override-attribute-from-moo-role.t <-- looks like they can do it? 15:52 jcamins Where "they" = mst 15:53 Joubu jcamins: If you are interested, I have a local branch with my tests with Moo 15:53 jcamins I'd be interested to see it. Any chance you could push it somewhere? 15:53 Joubu jcamins: It's the opposite :) 15:54 Joubu We have a Moose object, we extend it and want to override it with a Moo object 15:55 jcamins Ohhh. 15:55 jcamins Ah. 15:55 jcamins I see the problem. 15:56 kf don't rewrite Koha while I am on my way home, ok? :) 15:56 kf bye all :) 15:56 Joubu It's the end of day's work for me :) goodbye 16:03 jcamins Joubu++ # thanks 16:03 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 16:06 drojf hey mtompset 16:06 wahanui it has been said that mtompset is currently in the Philippines and is coding up a bash script storm in the midst of seasonal typhoons. 16:07 drojf oh, no musical flashbacks anymore? 16:09 maximep oh gaaaaaaaaaaaawd bug 8597 16:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8597 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED , New theme for the OPAC with a mobile view 16:09 maximep finally. 16:10 maximep really not sure how anyone would use it, but it's cool that we finally sent it 16:10 drojf heh 16:10 jcamins New developments should always be versioned against master, not 3.8. 16:11 maximep yeah :/ 16:11 fcapovilla ok, I'll change it 16:11 jcamins Thanks. :) 16:12 fcapovilla Well, I guess I'll have to do it on my other new patches too :P 16:12 jcamins What is attachment 11448? 16:12 huginn 03Attachment http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=11448&action=edit patch, New theme for the OPAC, 0001-New-theme-for-the-OPAC.patch 16:13 jcamins I see the second and third make up the mobile theme. 16:13 drojf the mobile thingy? 16:13 jcamins drojf: the first one seems to be different? 16:13 fcapovilla first and second are for the theme. The third is the mobile version 16:13 maximep we should probably provide an exemple, like http://sherbrooke.koha.ccsr.qc.ca/ 16:13 drojf ah sorry confused the numbers 16:14 maximep you can see our theme and you can test the mobile just by resizing the window 16:14 jcamins Ah-ha. 16:14 maximep sadly the mobile depends on stuff in our theme :/ 16:14 jcamins Darn. 16:14 jcamins I was just about to ask that. ;) 16:14 drojf so i can use mobile only if i use your theme? or if i install your theme? 16:15 maximep yes 16:15 * drojf does not even have a smartphone and the tablet is to big for a mobile view 16:15 drojf firstworldproblems 16:15 fcapovilla yes, you need the theme. We tried to backport the mobile version on the basic Koha theme, we depended too much on our masthead modifications. 16:15 drojf then i better like your theme ;) 16:16 eythian Whew, bug 8594 took longer than I hoped it would. But, waiting for signoff now from someone who is bored ;) 16:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8594 normal, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , A report containing a subquery that has a 'limit' will have that limit stripped out 16:16 oleonard fcapovilla: Why are the images not part of the patch? 16:16 jcamins What is jqtransform_select? 16:17 fcapovilla Note : you can test the mobile version by resizing your browser window, mediaqueries work like that :P 16:18 maximep jqtransform is to be able to skin <select> 16:18 maximep no way to do it withoult javascript 16:18 fcapovilla Our designers included a jquery library (jqtransform) to theme browser controls 16:18 jcamins Ahh. 16:19 fcapovilla oleonard: git didn't want to include binary files in format-patch 16:19 oleonard git can handle binary files just fine 16:20 oleonard git send-email may not be able to handle it, but that's another story 16:20 fcapovilla doh, should have searched a little more 16:20 eythian I think git-send email can too, doesn't it just base64 them? 16:20 oleonard eythian: I'm thinking of long lines, sorry. 16:20 eythian (or really, doesn't it just send the patch?) 16:20 eythian ah right 16:20 eythian yeah, they're a pain 16:22 oleonard fcapovilla: Will you be rebasing these patches on master? 16:24 fcapovilla oleonard: I can try, I'll also try to include the binary images in the patch 16:24 oleonard just git add them, commit, and they'll be included. 16:25 fcapovilla well, by default, when I did "git format-patch", it didn't include the images 16:25 oleonard Did you use "git add" to add them before that? 16:25 maximep lol 16:26 maximep we know how to use git :P 16:26 * McCloud[A] is now away - Reason : Auto-Away after 30 minutes 16:26 jcamins maximep: it's easy to miss a step, and since images are definitely handled by git, it seems reasonable to think there's something else going on. 16:27 fcapovilla I guess I made a mistake wile rebasing. I guess the images weren't in my squashed temporary branch. So many commits. 16:27 maximep ah that would explain it 16:28 maximep 38 commits o_O 16:28 fcapovilla commit early, commit often 16:28 wajasu jcamins: what are the ramifications of removing "broader_headings" in LinkerOptions in v3.8.3 (Bug 8447) so I can save z39.50 biblios with AutoCreateAuthorities=generate? What will be the side effects? 16:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8447 blocker, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , can't save new records / indicator error 16:29 maximep anyway, you were right. Git has no problem handling images with format-patch 16:30 jcamins wajasu: no side effects. 16:30 jcamins It's for linking United States--History--Stuff to United States--History. 16:31 jcamins I'm a little baffled how it would've gotten set... I could've sworn my instructions said "you probably don't want to use it because it is highly experimental." 16:31 wajasu jcamins: ok. by the way that test plan for that linker was a beast :) 16:32 jcamins wajasu: yes, that was before I learned about Test::MockModule. 16:33 jcamins But it was thorough, wasn't it? 16:33 wajasu yup! 16:34 jcamins I'll have to see if I can track down the problem. 16:34 jcamins BTW, any hints how broader_heading would have gotten enabled in your system? 16:35 jcamins The documentation says "don't enable this in production without testing thoroughly." 16:35 wajasu my user read the docs, and said he though it would the functionaility he wanted. thats all. 16:35 jcamins The fact that you weren't told "we're testing broader_headings and now it doesn't work" makes me think that the warning isn't clear enough. 16:35 * jcamins will send a patch to nengard. 16:35 jcamins Some other time. 16:36 wajasu i added a comment in the bug for a workaround/hint when this comes up for others. 16:36 jcamins I saw, thanks. :) 16:39 wajasu we spoke once before about why we wouldn't infer the koha itemtype "Books" most of time by using the leader. Does that include the 008 fields. My user is asking me. 16:39 jcamins That is correct. 16:40 jcamins Koha itemtype has nothing to do with bibliographic genre, so it can't be inferred from any combination of non-942/952 fields. 16:41 jcamins In hindsight, I think using "Book," "Video," etc. as sample itemtypes was a very foolish decision. 16:41 nengard thanks jcamins 16:42 wajasu Ahh. its a semantic mistake? 16:42 jcamins nengard: now that I know how to reproduce the bug, I'll also fix it, but the note in the manual apparently isn't dire enough. :) 16:43 wajasu so the koha "Book" itemtype has nothing to do with searching for things that are book-like. 16:43 jcamins Exactly. 16:43 jcamins I mean, lots of people use it as such, but that's a personal decision. 16:44 wajasu so in what other ways is the book itemtype useful? 16:44 jcamins "Reference" "General circulation" "Reserve" etc. make just as much sense. 16:44 jcamins It's for circulation. 16:45 jcamins If you think about a public library, they have a section for "Books," a section for "DVDs," etc., and everything in a given section circulates the same way. 16:45 jcamins If they have books that don't circulate, they call them Reference, and put them in a special "Reference" section, and change the itemtype to "Reference." 16:45 wajasu Ahh. Thats why my user sqwauks. They don't circulate. And everything is a Book. 16:45 wajasu right now :) 16:47 wajasu so its a circulation type/category 16:48 jcamins For non-circulating libraries (like the ones I work with) itemtype doesn't matter so much. 16:48 jcamins One client uses itemtype for book/article/auction catalog. 16:48 jcamins Exactly. 16:49 wajasu maybe itemtype should be circulationtype (would be nice "help" for future marc editor tooltip or such to explain this. 16:49 * jcamins thinks that would be much better. 16:53 wajasu since my user doesn't circulate, everything is a book, so is there a way to default the koha itemtype to a "Book" as a systemPref, or is there a way to enable that in the framework mappings (i.e. default ) 16:54 jcamins You can just set the default in the framework to BOOK (or whatever the controlled value in question is). 16:54 jcamins This is what I do. 16:54 wajasu Ahh. Yea!!! Thats what I want. 16:54 wajasu thx !!! 17:28 drojf if i want to use koha-restore from the packages on a new installation, do i use it immediately after koha/mysql installation? 17:28 jcamins drojf: I do. 17:29 drojf there are a lot of cool debian commands i never used 17:30 * jcamins especially likes koha-do-everything, which takes care of cataloging, too. 17:30 tcohen quick question: is it possible to print the staff cardnumber in the quick slip receipt? 17:30 drojf koha-repair-the-$@&!-zebra would be cool too 17:30 maximep does koha-do-everything fix my bugs ? :p 17:38 tcohen drojf, dont' we have it? koha-rebuild-zebra? 17:38 jcamins tcohen: no, koha-rebuild-zebra just rebuilds the index. koha-repair-the-$@&!-zebra makes it work when it spontaneously stops working. 17:39 tcohen jcamins: I have a magic wand that could be used for that purpose too 17:39 tcohen LOL 17:39 jcamins Hehe. 17:40 * jcamins wonders what it says that everyone laughs at that joke. 17:45 tcohen jcamins, do u know if it is possible to have the staff member cardnumber in the quick slip receit? 17:45 jcamins tcohen: I don't, sorry. 17:45 jcamins None of my libraries use slips. 17:45 tcohen we still have a couple 18:05 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Managing Comments in Koha 3.8 http://t.co/7KjCroVb #kohails" 18:22 fcapovilla Hum.. I'm trying to test a patch on the master, but I can't install a new dependency : Text::Unaccent ... It says the test failed. Anybody got that problem? 18:23 cait hm it worked for me 18:23 cait are you installing libtext-unaccent-perl? 18:24 fcapovilla I used cpan 18:24 jcamins You should never use CPAN. 18:24 wizzyrea oo yea 18:24 wizzyrea bad idea 18:24 fcapovilla oh, theres a package, I'll install that 18:24 jcamins This sort of thing happens when you use CPAN. 18:24 wizzyrea :)) 18:24 wizzyrea things get all confusticated. 18:25 fcapovilla And it works! Thank you. 18:28 wizzyrea yvw :) 18:43 jcamins magnuse: by the way, you'll like my revisions to bug 7417. 18:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7417 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Include alternate forms from authorities in bibliographic searches 18:43 jcamins magnuse: it takes the first step toward freeing us from MARC. 18:45 jcamins It renames record to marcrecord. 18:46 jcamins One day, it will be generated on the fly for those rare times when we need to export an authority as MARC. 18:47 jcamins It will be a glorious day. 18:54 cait heh 19:03 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Managing Comments in Koha 3.8 http://t.co/fv45NSdE" 19:05 eythian www.bibliocommons.com/how-we-work/our-platform <-- anyone want a new discovery layer!!! 19:06 jcamins eythian: NYPL is using that. 19:06 jcamins I don't dislike it yet. 19:07 eythian ah, interesting 19:08 * wizzyrea knows someone who works for them 19:09 jcamins Actually, I was just kidding. 19:09 jcamins I do dislike it already. 19:09 jcamins Silly me, thinking I might not. 19:10 jcamins It is by far the best discovery layer I've ever used, but it has issues sometimes helping me locate known items. 19:11 fcapovilla Took longer than I expected, but I finally rebased bug 8597 on master. 19:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8597 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED , New theme for the OPAC with a mobile view 19:15 wizzyrea oh nice 19:16 jcamins eythian: are you helping someone implement a discovery layer? 19:17 eythian gods no 19:17 eythian someone just asked about it 19:47 rangi Morning 19:47 cait evening :) 19:48 wizzyrea mornin 19:59 rangi Back above 90 eh? 20:00 cait on it :) 20:01 rangi :-) 20:02 rangi @wunder nzwn 20:02 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0°C (7:00 AM NZST on August 09, 2012). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Steady). 20:02 rangi Ohh a mobile theme 20:02 rangi Cool 20:13 rangi Wow 20:13 rangi Just wow 20:14 cait :) 20:14 cait morning kathryn 20:14 cait :) 20:15 kathryn hello there cait 20:17 rangi Ok my stop bbiab 20:23 rangi back 20:23 maximep mobile theme with a few problems :P 20:23 cait still looks quite pretty :) 20:24 maximep yeah but I don't expect everyone to like our theme 20:26 rangi maximep: i like it, but if people dont, and dont want it in the main repo, we could always put it http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=contrib/global.git;a=tree 20:39 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ptoothfish: "My nerdling just increased coverage of the C4/Members/AttributeTypes.pm from 7.7 to 33% #kohails I need to get this on a bumper sticker" 20:42 mtj fcapovilla++ maximep++ - nice opac theme! :) 20:42 mtj love it 20:47 rangi and cssr++ too 20:49 wizzyrea you know, any default mobile theme is better than no mobile theme. 20:49 wizzyrea maximep: you know, you could do a mobileusercss pref 20:49 wizzyrea and include that 20:50 wizzyrea so people could muck about with their css 20:50 wizzyrea like opacusercss 20:50 rangi oh smart 20:50 wizzyrea in fact, why don't we do that... 20:50 wizzyrea lol 20:52 wizzyrea they did the mobile detection thing right? 20:52 cait I think it detects the windows size 20:53 cait which is nice! 20:53 wizzyrea oh yes yes 20:53 cait window size 20:53 fcapovilla mediaqueries :P 20:53 wizzyrea fcapovilla: did you see my idea about a mobileusercss 20:53 rangi window size is a much nicer way to do it 20:54 wizzyrea so people could input their own overriding css on top of your lovely work 20:54 wizzyrea (for those people who say "I don't like this wah wah" well, change it up then!) 20:54 mtj bootstrap has some nice media-query stuff , too -> http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/scaffolding.html#responsive 20:54 fcapovilla wizzyrea: yes, very good idea. 20:55 wizzyrea because I think you did the hard part 20:55 wizzyrea : 20:55 wizzyrea :) 20:55 wizzyrea colors and such is ez business for most libraries 20:55 wizzyrea are. 20:55 wizzyrea well, not most. more than one. 20:56 wizzyrea then we could have a wiki page for mobile styles 20:56 wizzyrea ooh la la 20:57 fcapovilla The hard part was converting all those horizontal tables into lists using only css, because we lack horizontal space on mobile. 21:00 mtj fcapovilla: i will look at the cssr opac theme using the android emulator, soon :) 21:01 fcapovilla mtj: ok, we tried it on a blackberry emulator, on ipods/iphones and even on a windows phone. 21:02 fcapovilla The problematic part is the sliding menu in the user account page. Some mobile browsers might have a hard time with it. 21:02 wizzyrea fcapovilla: do you have a live site with it? 21:03 fcapovilla https://sherbrooke.koha.ccsr.qc.ca/ 21:03 fcapovilla But you won't be able to access the user account page without an account :/ 21:04 wizzyrea hmmm 21:05 wizzyrea i can't get that to come up on my android phone… says url not available 21:06 wizzyrea (and yes, otherwise I can get stuff fine) 21:06 fcapovilla strange 21:06 wizzyrea comes up in my browser 21:06 wizzyrea on my computer 21:06 wizzyrea just fine 21:07 wizzyrea no typos 21:07 wizzyrea weird, I clicked through from google 21:08 wizzyrea and it works but typing it in directly, even with no typos, it didn't work 21:08 wizzyrea i like it though 21:08 wizzyrea preety 21:31 koyauni hi guys I have just got a dedicated server with hertzner.com running Debian 6.05, and I trying to install Koha 3.8, 21:32 koyauni anyone has any good site that I can follow for this installation please 21:32 rangi packages? 21:32 wahanui packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 21:33 rangi that url ^ 21:34 koyauni what is Debian squeeze 21:34 wahanui Debian squeeze is recommended for koha? 21:34 koyauni is it same as Debian 6 21:34 mtj yes 21:34 koyauni so it is just another name for Debian 6 21:34 mtj yes 21:35 koyauni thanks, my server runs Debian 6.05 21:35 koyauni is Perl 5.10 good enough 21:35 mtj http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ 21:36 bag heya mtj 21:36 mtj koyauni, if you are running squeeze, everything is good enough :) 21:36 * mtj waves to bag 21:37 koyauni yes it does, let give it a go, I just learned Linux today? :( 21:42 koyauni they have two package in that instruction koha-common and Koha and they recommend to use koha pack but the instruction just talks about koha-common, any tips what I should as I am beginner to all this, please 21:43 rangi use koha-common 21:43 rangi dont use koha 21:43 rangi you are using the stable one eh? (not oldstable or development) 21:45 wizzyrea fortunately you are in luck, we love beginners :) 21:45 wizzyrea we were all one once 21:45 rangi except gmcharlt 21:45 wizzyrea oh, true 21:46 wizzyrea he sprung fully formed from the head of zeus 21:46 rangi heh 22:04 magnuse jcamins++ for taking the first step toward freeing us from MARC 22:04 magnuse g'night #koha! 22:06 rangi hey! 22:06 rangi i didnt even put MARC in it! 22:06 rangi :) 22:06 rangi we were free for 2 whole years :) 22:20 koyauni thanks!, I will do that 22:26 koyauni I try to add this (wget -O- http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/gpg.asc | sudo apt-key add -) but it says that is does not have command sudo, does it mean that I miss some modules 22:26 jcamins_away koyauni: if you are running everything as root, you can remove sudo. 22:27 jcamins_away And then you can install sudo by doing `apt-get install sudo` 22:27 jcamins_away That's not a Koha thing. It's a Linux thing. 22:28 koyauni so I need to remove it and reinstall it 22:28 jcamins_away No. 22:28 jcamins_away This has nothing to do with Koha. 22:28 jcamins_away If you want ot use sudo, you can install sudo by running `apt-get install sudo` 22:29 jcamins_away If you are just using root, you don't need sudo. People just prefer it because it means you don't have a root shell around. 22:29 koyauni ohh I have root 22:29 koyauni I use SSH working in root of the server 22:30 koyauni so this should be deffirnet command line for me then 22:30 koyauni (wget -O- http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/gpg.asc | sudo apt-key add -) 22:30 jcamins_away Remove "sudo" 22:31 koyauni (wget -O- http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/gpg.asc | apt-key add -) 22:31 koyauni like that 22:31 jcamins_away Yes. 22:31 koyauni it says (gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found. ) 22:32 koyauni I ges that link is not valid 22:32 jcamins_away Well, that's an optional step. 22:33 rangi you arent doing the brackets are you? 22:33 rangi try doing 22:33 rangi apt-get install wget 22:34 rangi then run that command again (it's definitely a valid link) 22:34 koyauni no no no brackets, just add them here 22:34 rangi cool just checking :) 22:35 koyauni wget is already the newest version. 22:35 rangi what happens when you just do 22:35 rangi wget http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/gpg.asc 22:37 koyauni I think that did it :) 22:37 koyauni wget http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/gpg.asc 22:37 rangi well all that has done is downloaded the file 22:37 rangi you should see a gpg.asc file there now 22:37 rangi if you do ls 22:37 rangi if so 22:37 rangi then 22:38 rangi apt-key add gpg.asc 22:39 koyauni apt-get install koha-common > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done > E: Unable to locate package koha-common 22:39 rangi have you done the apt-get update step? 22:39 rangi you have to be very careful not to skip steps 22:40 koyauni yes still says unable to locate 22:43 rangi apt-get update 22:43 rangi says that? 22:44 koyauni long list and then Reading package lists... Done 22:46 rangi and debian.koha-community.org 22:46 rangi was in that list? 22:47 koyauni no it is not 22:49 koyauni it has got that 22:49 koyauni wget http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/gpg.asc --2012-08-09 00:46:29-- http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/gpg.asc Resolving debian.koha-community.org... 64.57.244.203 Connecting to debian.koha-community.org|64.57.244.203|:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: 26919 (26K) [text/plain] Saving to: âgpg.asc.7â 100%[===== 22:53 rangi no 22:53 rangi when you do 22:53 rangi apt-get update 22:53 rangi was it in the list? 22:54 rangi if not sounds like you missed an earlier step 22:54 koyauni no I can not see it in the list 22:55 koyauni :) I did not do this 22:55 koyauni deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main 22:55 rangi ahh yes you have to do that step 22:55 koyauni shall I do the stable one 22:55 rangi yes 22:57 koyauni it says 22:57 koyauni -bash: deb: command not found 22:57 rangi you dont type that in 22:57 rangi To get the stable 3.8 release, add this to a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/koha.list file: 22:58 koyauni ok 22:58 rangi you have sshed into the server eh? 22:59 koyauni the folder is empty 23:00 koyauni sources.list.d 23:00 rangi yep, you will have to make a new file 23:00 rangi you can do that by just editing one 23:01 koyauni ok, then I add this line to it 23:01 koyauni deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main 23:01 rangi exactly 23:01 koyauni and then save 23:01 rangi yup 23:01 rangi then run apt-get update 23:03 koyauni now it is done and it is in the list 23:05 rangi excellent 23:05 rangi try the install line again now 23:05 koyauni it is going and asked to say Y for taking 612 MB of space 23:06 koyauni now I have a blue screen and says 23:06 koyauni Package configuration 23:09 rangi thats good 23:09 koyauni where to go from here 23:10 rangi whats it saying, it should ask you questions 23:10 koyauni only one option OK, and I said OK, now it does some further installation 23:10 rangi cool 23:12 koyauni how do I make sure that koha works in our sub domain only 23:12 koyauni library.koyauniversity.org 23:12 rangi we aren't up to that yet 23:13 rangi you need to now 23:13 rangi edit /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf 23:13 rangi add this line 23:14 rangi actually do you want the opac to be libary.koyauniversity.org 23:14 rangi or koha.libary.koyauniversity.org or opac.libary.koyauniversity.org 23:14 rangi ? 23:14 rangi or something else 23:15 koyauni this one libary.koyauniversity.org 23:15 koyauni now done installing many many lines 23:15 koyauni I hope I did not wipped the server :( 23:17 rangi ok 23:18 rangi now you need to edit the file 23:18 rangi edit /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf 23:18 rangi add 23:18 rangi DOMAIN=".koyauniversity.org" 23:18 koyauni so I have to create that first 23:18 rangi yes 23:19 rangi do you want the staff site (koha has 2 sites, the opac and the staff site) to be at library.koyauniverstity.org too? but on a different port or do you want it to be on a different url? 23:19 koyauni DOMAIN=".koyauniversity.org" # Any library instance will be a subdomain of this string. 23:20 koyauni can I leave the #and line after that 23:20 rangi yes 23:21 koyauni we do not have this case 23:21 koyauni DEFAULTSQL="/usr/share/koha/defaults.sql.gz" # only needed if you're pre-populating from another Koha database 23:21 rangi dont add that 23:21 rangi and you havent answered my question above, this is important or you might put the wrong things in this file 23:22 koyauni I want to use Plesk on the server to create the database so we can have autobackup a schedule on it 23:22 rangi the packages do backups already 23:23 koyauni I did not add it 23:23 koyauni what is staff site, 23:23 rangi have you used koha before? 23:23 koyauni you mean people at the library do admin work 23:23 rangi yes 23:23 koyauni yes, we need that 23:23 koyauni I have watched videos, lots of them 23:24 koyauni but not use it yet but demo online 23:24 rangi so, what url do you want that on? 23:25 koyauni can we have libraryadmin.koyauniverstity.org/ 23:25 rangi actually are you going to be the system administrator for this system? 23:25 rangi you can yes .. do you have dns set up for that? 23:25 koyauni yes, as I am learning to do it :( 23:26 koyauni I just got the server today, I have created library.koyauniverstity.org 23:26 koyauni I can create the admin as well 23:26 rangi and it points to that machine? 23:26 rangi cool do that :) 23:26 rangi then INTRAPORT needs to be 80 23:26 rangi and INTRASUFFIX="admin" 23:27 Space_Librarian o/ 23:27 rangi i don thtink creating the db with plesk will work, you are better of making plesk back up an existing database 23:29 koyauni I created libraryadmin.KoyaUniversity.org 23:29 rangi and it points to the ipnumber of the server eh? 23:30 koyauni I have one IP only and this is subdomain to the main domain which is KoyaUniversity.org 23:30 koyauni should this INTRASUFFIX="admin" be INTRASUFFIX="libraryadmin" 23:30 rangi no 23:30 rangi just admin 23:31 koyauni ok 23:31 rangi 69.64.90.112 <-- that is the ipnumber of this server right? 23:31 rangi ifconfig will tell you 23:33 koyauni no 88.198.51.202 23:33 rangi well then this wont work 23:33 rangi becuase 23:33 rangi libraryadmin.KoyaUniversity.org. 14400 IN CNAME KoyaUniversity.org. 23:33 rangi KoyaUniversity.org. 43200 IN A 69.64.90.112 23:34 koyauni that is my old server 23:34 rangi the dns is pointing it to 69.64.90.112 23:34 koyauni I need to change that to this new server 23:34 rangi im going to have to get back to work im afraid 23:35 rangi but yes you will need to do that, nothing is running on the old server eh? 23:35 koyauni :( 23:35 koyauni no, it is CentOS 23:35 koyauni and we had problem to get Koha to work on it 23:35 * rangi doesnt get paid to help out in #koha .. it would be nice .. but I have to do the work i get paid to do as well 23:35 koyauni so we got this new one on Debian 23:36 koyauni I still need to work on this config page donot I 23:37 rangi ill be back tomorrow if you want to continue then, or you can try to work through the instructions yourself .. but on your first day of linux .. this is a pretty ambitious task 23:37 rangi you have to learn a lot about server administration .. (not koha that bit is a lot easier) 23:37 * rangi will be back later 23:37 koyauni well here in Iraq, things has to happen 23:38 koyauni and I have to do it as there is no appreciation for new tech or solution 23:38 mtj koyauni, ask your dev person to help you... 23:39 koyauni I am everyone! 23:39 koyauni and only one 23:39 koyauni I am trying to tell uni that this will work 23:39 koyauni so I have to get it up and running to show them 23:40 mtj if you cant install koha yourself, then use a live-cd or vmware koha 23:41 mtj http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Virtual_Appliances 23:41 mtj these are pre-installed and pre-configured 23:42 mtj ... for people who cant install a koha by themselves 23:42 koyauni but we have done this installation for now, what will happen to this 23:44 mtj try to complete the install by yourself - no harm to try ... 23:44 mtj :) 23:46 mtj why not ask your dev, who successfully installed your debian-koha to help you? 23:48 koyauni ohh you mean admin at herzner.com 23:48 koyauni I already did, they said they do not do tried party application 23:53 koyauni what is koha web installer 23:53 koyauni http://www.packtpub.com/sites/default/files/0820-chapter-4-kohas-web-installer-crontab-and-other-server-configurations%20.pdf 23:54 mtj koyauni, try a vmware / virtualbox koha first 23:54 mtj http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Virtual_Appliances 23:56 koyauni so I should stop working on configuration and go for virtual one