Time  Nick           Message
23:39 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8315 major, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Stable , fix 'C4::Output 3.02' errors in Koha
23:39 jenkins_koha   dpavlin: Bug 8315 - remove use C4::* version
23:39 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_3.8.x build #95: SUCCESS in 1 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/95/
23:33 jcamins        Good night.
23:32 drojf          ok, nothing i deal with at 1:30am then :/ good night
23:31 jcamins        Yes, I think so.
23:31 drojf          something is really broken i guess
23:31 jcamins        Ah.
23:30 drojf          other indexes not working
23:30 wahanui        it has been said that Less is more
23:30 jcamins        Less what?
23:30 jcamins        There is more what?
23:30 drojf          or, less
23:30 drojf          hm no there is more now.
23:29 drojf          indeed
23:29 jcamins        That's very peculiar.
23:29 drojf          yes. i get results for everything else, but the indexes für control-number and record-control-number seem to be gone
23:28 jcamins        Is Zebra running?
23:28 jcamins        Very odd.
23:26 drojf          weird. zebra related files look ok. reindexed, no change
23:24 jcamins        Should still work.
23:24 jcamins        Indeed.
23:24 jcamins        Huh.
23:23 jcamins        777$w?
23:23 drojf          did something change about search in koha or did i break something? i had a link opac-search.pl?idx=Control-number&q=12345&op=or&idx=Record-control-number&q=12345 and that returned all records with a certain control number either in 001 or 777$w. now i get 0 results
23:03 * jcamins_away instructs his release script to warn him if the release version and Koha version do not match.
22:35 jenkins_koha   Starting build #95 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
21:34 jcamins        Good night, #koha.
21:34 * jcamins      looks at the time, decides to call it a day.
21:27 Shane-S        it is working, now I get to set it up and then try and export it to a VM that ESXi will like
21:26 Shane-S        well at any rate thank you all
21:26 Shane-S        Some of the IT personnel were teacher or school administrators, and the districts made the postion and administrative position
21:25 Shane-S        Support staff are : secretaries, custodians, maintenance, lunch workers, aides, and in most of school in this area of NJ IT staff.
21:23 Shane-S        support staff is not union represented unless their local school union offers to blanket them
21:23 jcamins        However, that seems... not quite right.
21:23 jcamins        I meant "IT" not "It."
21:23 Shane-S        Teacher and Admins are Union
21:22 jcamins        (in public schools)
21:22 jcamins        It is non-unionized?
21:22 Shane-S        I am non-union, yearly contracted, so I live by the fact I need to do my job, and well, or I can be fired life
21:22 Shane-S        yeah and from the IT side, the data they are now collecting because of NCLB and the Federal aid 30 states too for education, we can see a trend to merit based pay...which "I" an not oppsed to
21:21 jcamins        I understand the governor has been cutting school budgets rather dramatically.
21:20 Shane-S        there are some private and charter school which get state aid, but are privately funded, I am in the public sector
21:20 jcamins        Shane-S: that's a joke... many members of my family teach in the NJ school system.
21:20 Shane-S        no*
21:20 Shane-S        jcamins: on now we are public, taxes and state funding pay for us.
21:20 drojf          how are schools paid for in NJ?
21:19 jcamins        drojf: well, not so much in NJ...
21:19 Shane-S        I was literally an over pair custodian last week, I walked around helping the guys move furniture out of the classrooms
21:18 drojf          ah, public money. excellent ;)
21:18 Shane-S        Elementary School so it isn't mission critical, just wasted 2 weeks of IT "pay"
21:17 drojf          sounds like excellent planning. what kind of place do you work at?
21:16 Shane-S        yep, best part was we paid to have an exhaust fan put in...because I want my servers running under 90degrees F, and I only have a vent in the door to pull air in. So the entire room was already ripped out
21:15 jcamins        Shane-S: sounds like you've had a busy two weeks (is that right?) staring at cool things you can't use.
21:15 drojf          uh-oh. getting between the it guy and his new toys
21:15 Shane-S        waiting for my PoE switch so I can just look at that too
21:15 Shane-S        Then my new UPS came in, and I stared at them...then my new firewall...stated at that too
21:14 Shane-S        because I just got in my Dell PE 710 server with 64Gb ram to Virtualize...and I couldn't do anything but stare at it
21:13 Shane-S        No I think my tone said it all
21:12 cait           did she made the mistake to ask why?
21:12 Shane-S        I tolder her, I have no network connectivity, no print servers, and no internet access to go download drivers to I can use USB
21:11 Shane-S        Best part is when the Business Admin who approved the ripping out of it, called me asked me to print out a purchase order. I just laughed at her.
21:11 wizzyrea       well you can actually see the word "down
21:11 jcamins        Is that different?
21:10 wizzyrea       actually this one: http://www.mememaker.net/meme/good-morning-your-network-is-about-to-go-down8
21:10 Shane-S        Needless to say I was not happy...and no one even looked at the room, the blueprints still had "closet", so they assumed it was a storage closet not a "server" closet
21:10 jcamins        Hehe.
21:09 wizzyrea       http://www.mememaker.net/meme/good-morning-your-network-is-about-to-go-down
21:07 Shane-S        so I had to rip out 3 servers, 4 switches, 2 UPSs, and our routers/modems.
21:06 libsysguy      yayy for mesothelioma
21:06 Shane-S        He goes, well not quite, this room here with these 7 foots racks...yeah we are supposed to rip the asbestos tile out
21:06 jcamins        At least he didn't start off with "what was in that little room with all the air conditioning?" ;)
21:05 Shane-S        and I looked at him going yeah, is there a computer or wire in your way?
21:05 wizzyrea       ohh… boy...
21:05 Shane-S        I walked in Monday to a general contractor going , your the IT guy right?
21:05 wizzyrea       bummer
21:04 wizzyrea       O.o
21:04 Shane-S        wizzyrea: no, it will with Koha, but right now everything hosted in the building is down
21:04 * wizzyrea     wants to know what the circ policies look like :P
21:04 drojf          librarians. have crazy stuff like MARC with a field for everything and then let people choose item types like crazy
21:03 wizzyrea       does your library have a website?
21:03 Shane-S        <-- has 1 librarian who he asked to look at Koha and she never logged in beyond me doing it with her twice.
21:03 wizzyrea       I'd start there :P
21:03 wizzyrea       do you know the policies of your library?
21:02 Shane-S        we only have like 5 types of media
21:02 wizzyrea       do it in a way that makes sense to your librarians.
21:02 wizzyrea       or locations. It's all very flexible
21:02 Shane-S        okay easy enough then
21:02 wizzyrea       no, those are usually collection codes
21:02 Shane-S        and this doesn;t affect like fiction, non-fict, ref, etc right?
21:01 cait           you can also search by location and collection
21:01 wizzyrea       yep, those make sense
21:01 Shane-S        I am think Book, DVD/CD, VHS, Audio CD, Audio Casset
21:01 SJeffery       Though there are advantages of separating out the media types for searching purposes...
21:01 wizzyrea       if you didn't want to, say, circulate DVD's for less time than books
21:01 cait           you could have just one type for all then, if you wanted
21:00 wizzyrea       right, it doesn't have to be
21:00 cait           the trick is that it doesn't have to be a media type
21:00 Shane-S        we have no fines
21:00 Shane-S        when I asked my media specialist about rules she looked at me like I had two heads...her response was, kids just check books out and bring them back in a week
21:00 cait           or if you really circ like that "book" "audio-visual"
21:00 cait           or "short loan" "normal loan"
21:00 cait           you could have "4-weeks"
20:59 rangi          so pick something that makes sense to you
20:59 wizzyrea       like cait said
20:59 wizzyrea       but your circ rules are based on them
20:59 rangi          you can call it whatever you want
20:59 rangi          its just arbitrary characters
20:59 cait           think about what you need for circ rules
20:59 rangi          (the point being it doesnt actually matter)
20:59 * wizzyrea     gives rangi "the look"
20:59 cait           Shane-S: your itemtypes dictate your circ rules
20:59 rangi          id use train
20:59 * wizzyrea     would use "book"
20:58 Shane-S        what is suggested then for Item Type for normal fiction books?
20:58 wizzyrea       that is to say, different at every library
20:58 wizzyrea       they are arbitrary, I think
20:58 Shane-S        anyone know what item types Follet likes to use for books? I will have to bring home the Koha test laptop to check otherwise
20:54 rangi          well it wont be saved until the fixes are pushed :)
20:53 cait           thx for saving jenkins once again
20:53 cait           rangi++
20:53 rangi          after those are pushed, just the perlcritic error to fix
20:53 jcamins        Glad you like it. :)
20:53 jcamins        lol
20:52 wizzyrea       hehe
20:52 Shane-S        okay WOW 3.8's staff screen 10x better then 3.6 at least the first page much easier
20:51 jcamins        Maybe we could get dpavlin to test it.
20:51 rangi          i tested with english-NZ
20:51 rangi          but not marked it needs signoff
20:51 rangi          yup, i put a sign off on
20:50 jcamins        ^^ those need to be signed off by someone who uses a non-English interface.
20:49 rangi          fix another jenkins complain
20:49 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8385 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, ASSIGNED , searchengine/solr/indexes.tt fails 'prove ./xt/tt_valid.t' test
20:49 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8407 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , xt/tt_valid.t is too strict
20:49 rangi          also bug 8407 and bug 8385
20:49 jcamins        I would, except I'm at a client's.
20:48 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5644 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , dropbox mode doesn't set the correct date
20:48 rangi          bug 5644 easy signoff to help make jenkins happy again
20:47 wizzyrea       gives you some templates to work from if you are going to be printing labels or patron cards from koha
20:47 wizzyrea       yes, you want those
20:47 Shane-S        Sample Label and Patron Card Data (sample_creator_data) is what i am stuck on
20:46 wizzyrea       those are actual "borrower accounts"
20:46 wizzyrea       nope, you don't need sample patrons
20:46 wizzyrea       barcodes for books are printed from the label creator
20:46 Shane-S        do I need sample patron for that, or is it in their already
20:46 wizzyrea       no, they're printed from the patron card creator
20:46 jcamins        They're printed from the barcode printing tool.
20:46 jcamins        Shane-S: barcodes aren't printed from the reports module.
20:45 Shane-S        I remember building reports with the admin interface, and I never could find a "patron card" to print our this barcode, was curious if that adds it (or maybe I just missed it before)
20:45 * wizzyrea     is not sure what you mean
20:44 wizzyrea       adding the reports?
20:44 * wizzyrea     either
20:44 libsysguy      :p
20:44 * libsysguy    is not as picky as jcamins
20:44 jcamins        Too many missing tags.
20:44 Shane-S        Sample Patron Card Data, does that include adding the reports or are they in there already?
20:44 jcamins        Oh, I never install sample frameworks.
20:44 libsysguy      frameworks are a yes
20:44 wizzyrea       are nice
20:44 wizzyrea       sample frameworks
20:44 jcamins        Z39.50 servers is always a good idea.
20:44 libsysguy      only if you're into christmas :p
20:43 wizzyrea       yes
20:43 Shane-S        sample holidays does that save time?
20:43 wizzyrea       sample holidays are nice
20:43 wizzyrea       (sample libraries and patron categories are nice)
20:43 jcamins        Yup. Those are low stakes. Choose what you'd like.
20:42 Shane-S        okay...lots of optional stuff I can do
20:42 jcamins        Shane-S: it's definitely MARC21. That's not something you need to be concerned about being wrong about in NJ. ;)
20:41 libsysguy      better get it right Shane-S
20:41 libsysguy      oh ouch
20:41 jcamins        (to change the Zebra indexing)
20:41 jcamins        Well, you could change the syspref, but you'd have to reinstall the instance.
20:41 jcamins        libsysguy: nope.
20:41 jcamins        Somewhere near where my parents live, based on the domain name.
20:40 libsysguy      you can always change it later right?
20:40 wizzyrea       you're not in france right?
20:40 Shane-S        ty
20:40 wizzyrea       marc21
20:39 Shane-S        okay I don't remember this part...Unimarc or Marc21 (I will be migrating data from Follett Circ/Cat)
20:37 * Shane-S      also used cpan the first time and cried and beat his head on the table...and screamed out "Why would anyone make this so complex?"
20:37 libsysguy      yeah using packages will generally do it
20:37 libsysguy      never again
20:37 * libsysguy    made the mistake of using cpan his first time
20:36 * jcamins      thought that using packages generally was a clever scheme. ;)
20:36 Shane-S        ty thank worked now onto the install
20:36 libsysguy      yeah
20:36 jcamins        Oh, naming scheme.
20:36 jcamins        libsysguy: he's using the packages.
20:36 libsysguy      lib(package-name)-perl
20:36 libsysguy      Shane-S there is a clever scheme for libraries in debian
20:36 cait           what did I do?
20:36 wizzyrea       it's true he's wicked fast
20:36 cait           hi wizzyrea :)
20:36 cait           I do too - but not against you :)
20:36 jcamins        cait: I type very quickly.
20:36 cait           meh, jcamins typed faster or cheated :)
20:36 wizzyrea       <3 cait
20:35 cait           sudo apt-get install libtemplate-plugin-htmltotext-perl
20:35 jcamins        sudo apt-get install libtemplate-plugin-htmltotext-perl :D
20:35 Shane-S        err Module
20:35 Shane-S        hmm says it is missing a perl dependency "Template::Plugin::HtmlToText" any quick fox for that?
20:34 wizzyrea       )
20:34 jcamins        Right.
20:34 wizzyrea       (or just install the sample data
20:34 wizzyrea       patron categories, I mean
20:34 wizzyrea       (and some patron types)
20:33 wizzyrea       (after you create a library)
20:33 jcamins        You use the MySQL password to go through the web installer, then create yourself a new user which you use from then on.
20:33 Shane-S        oh
20:33 jcamins        Shane-S: the other user is for Zebra.
20:33 wizzyrea       so is the password
20:33 wizzyrea       the username is the same as the mysql
20:32 Shane-S        so I am trying to login with kohauser from .xml file with a long hard to use random password with no luck, I got the MYSQL one working fine, now I am at the web installer
19:42 Shane-S        gotcha thanks
19:38 jcamins        You can change it, but it's a good idea to have a random password.
19:38 jcamins        I'd do the latter.
19:38 Shane-S        that I did not, can I change it in the xml or just set it MYSQL to what is in the XML?
19:37 jcamins        Shane-S: did you set the password to the same as was specified in the koha-conf.xml file?
19:36 Shane-S        okay so I manually did a grant all on koha_nps.* TO 'koha_nps'@'localhost'; and droped the user with the % for the location and I still have the software error
19:32 cait           bye oleonard
19:31 oleonard       Bye #koha
19:31 * oleonard     is off
19:30 huginn         slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3766 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Cities/Towns and Road Types only on one address
19:30 slef           @query town
19:28 slef           should members/member.pl search town/city?
19:28 jcamins        Right... if it doesn't tell you that you can enter "1d" no one will think they can.
19:28 oleonard       I don't know about the underlying code
19:27 oleonard       That's just the description change
19:27 jcamins        I shall revert.
19:27 jcamins        Ooh, I think I pushed that 3.6.x.
19:26 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6701 normal, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Stable , language on timeout system preference is wrong
19:26 oleonard       Bug 6701
19:26 cait           well old ad rediscovered
19:26 cait           it's quite new
19:25 jcamins        Didn't know that.
19:25 jcamins        Huh.
19:25 oleonard       "Adding d will specify it in days, e.g. 1d is timeout of one day. "
19:24 jcamins        Isn't it supposed to be in milliseconds?
19:22 oleonard       ...because that's what bornie21 had changed it to
19:22 slef           mysql_setpermission
19:22 jcamins        Shane-S: right.
19:22 Shane-S        okay now I get software errors, looks like the user error you spoke of earlier, just need to give access permissions to the MySQL db for that user correct?
19:22 slef           mmm, old pennies!
19:21 oleonard       Okay, yeah. What changed is that I set the timeout setting from 12000000 to 1d
19:21 slef           it might be missing because if you do that and you have another site on there -> brokenness
19:20 Shane-S        ty
19:20 jcamins        sudo a2dissite default
19:20 * Shane-S      feels like the README is missing the "disbale apache default site instruction...and he can't remember the built in line
19:18 * oleonard     checks
19:18 oleonard       Ah, and I'll bet I know what has changed...
19:17 oleonard       First I had nothing, then I had ago43's snippet. In neither case can I save via preferences.pl (using systempreferences.pl works)
19:16 cait           lol
19:16 oleonard       Don't be shy wizzyrea, ask away. We're all grownups.
19:15 jcamins        Odd.
19:15 * wizzyrea     thinks it feels odd to ask oleonard what is in his opacuserjs
19:15 jcamins        Apparently the query is supposed to end with a slash.
19:15 jcamins        Shane-S: 80 is for the OPAC, 8080 is for the staff client.
19:14 Shane-S        jcamins: yeah so I could redirect 8080 to 80, but I thought Koha used 8080 for something
19:14 wizzyrea       what do you have in your opacuserjs/
19:14 wizzyrea       I can save them
19:14 wizzyrea       hm
19:14 Shane-S        wow jcamins has a person bot slave the forgets random stuff!
19:14 jcamins        Shane-S: the VM does not affect it at all. You just set up NAT to point whichever ports you want to 10.0.0.1:8080
19:13 Shane-S        jcamins: I thought that was for apache to know if I do 10.0.0.1:8080 it will load, how does the VM affect that?
19:13 jcamins        That does not look right.
19:13 wahanui        jcamins: I forgot master
19:13 jcamins        wahanui: forget master
19:12 wizzyrea       1s
19:12 oleonard       Yes
19:12 wahanui        master is for 3.6
19:12 wizzyrea       master?
19:12 oleonard       "NetworkError: 400 Bad Request - http://localhost:8888/cgi-bin/koha/svc/config/systempreferences/"
19:11 jcamins        However, there is no harm in doing the Listen anyway.
19:11 wizzyrea       it's infectious today
19:11 jcamins        Shane-S: if you are using virtual hosts, you don't need to add the Listen.
19:11 wizzyrea       … really?
19:11 oleonard       Seriously.
19:11 Shane-S        http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=debian/koha-common.README.Debian;h=ba831af848a1871129e3f2de1a1722fee733a163;hb=HEAD Line 25, I assume that mean doing Listen edit OR the alternate and not just if you did the alternate?
19:11 * wizzyrea     gives oleonard "the look"
19:10 oleonard       Also, I can't save preferences because it says my session has timed out!
19:10 ago43          thanks.  then wizzy must be right about an earlier entry causing the problem.
19:09 oleonard       Works for me ago43
19:09 Shane-S        ty
19:09 jcamins        Another line.
19:09 jcamins        I don't buy it.
19:09 Shane-S        Apache... Listen 80 do I add space 8080 or another listen line
19:09 jcamins        slef: lol
19:08 slef           jcamins: fessional is omitted
19:08 jcamins        You should add a class or id.
19:08 jcamins        Or a string change.
19:07 ago43          ahh.
19:07 * wizzyrea     has had that happen, it was always related to a missing somethingerother in another statement *before* the one I added.
19:07 jcamins        Shane-S: ah. Gotcha.
19:07 Shane-S        jcamins: I am fighting with Virtual Box right now ...it setup the network with NAT so I have to add rules...so I am just working from the VB screen
19:06 ago43          lemme check that.  I was copying from an e-mail, so maybe that's not all.
19:06 wizzyrea       what is the entire contents of opacuserjs
19:05 wizzyrea       ago is that everything that's in there?
19:05 * jcamins      tries to avoid correcting the apostrophe, fails. :P
19:04 ago43          Hi, any jquery pro's out there?  http://pastebin.com/gmv1Bwfk
19:03 jcamins        BTW, you know the point of installing SSH was so that you could SSH into the server and have multiple terminals open, right?
19:02 jcamins        You're welcome.
19:02 jcamins        Hehe.
19:02 Shane-S        Thank you jcamins
19:02 Shane-S        no I can put my pen and paper away :D
19:02 Shane-S        there we go, thanks that one was it :P
19:01 jcamins        http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=debian/koha-common.README.Debian;h=ba831af848a1871129e3f2de1a1722fee733a163;hb=HEAD
19:01 jcamins        But...
19:01 Shane-S        and it talks about enabling Apache mods, database stuff, all commands I have to issue, but the README is in my way :P
19:01 * jcamins      still has never heard of that file.
19:01 jcamins        Hm.
19:01 jcamins        Oh.
19:00 Shane-S        The wiki says "Read the README.Debian file for instructions on how to configure Koha after the package is installed. "
18:59 wizzyrea       http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob_plain;f=INSTALL.debian;hb=HEAD but do it from the wiki.
18:59 jcamins        ^^ just follow those instructions
18:59 wahanui        somebody said packages was at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
18:59 jcamins        packages?
18:59 jcamins        But install.debian doesn't explain how to use packages.
18:58 wizzyrea       he means install.debian i thikn
18:58 jcamins        README.Debian? Never heard of that file.
18:58 Shane-S        can I pull up the readme from less /usr/share/doc/koha-common/README.Debian online anywhere so I can work in two windows
18:57 drojf          alright. it sounded a little like "when i feel like" ;)
18:56 nengard        but I can send a reminder out
18:56 nengard        so when I wake up on the 18th I'll close it
18:56 nengard        drojf i told everyone the 17th was the last day to vote
18:56 nengard        okay
18:56 cait           nengard: the tags thing has a bug in htere, it happened when we removed the nonsense tooltip
18:56 drojf          i think it should be known beforehand when the vote is closed
18:55 nengard        doing too many things at once
18:55 nengard        sorry
18:55 nengard        yes
18:54 jcamins        Got it.
18:54 jcamins        Oh.
18:54 cait           closing the vote I think
18:54 jcamins        It's already signed off by Elliott.
18:54 jcamins        Do what?
18:53 nengard        I'll probably do it on Weds to make up for any time diff changes
18:42 cait           bug memory :)
18:42 jcamins        Once you told me where to look, I found it.
18:42 cait           cool
18:42 jcamins        Signed off. :)
18:42 cait           i think the patch is there, maybe even waiting for signoff still
18:40 jcamins        That's what I meant.
18:40 jcamins        Ah, yup.
18:40 cait           I think it was changed to be publication date
18:40 cait           because there are numbering schemes where that would not work out
18:39 jcamins        I feel like I discussed this with someone before, and there is, but I'm not sure when.
18:39 cait           but I tink it's not by date number
18:39 cait           hm there is a patch to change the sorting
18:39 jcamins        Is there any way to sort serial issues on the OPAC by issue date/number rather than received date?
18:37 jcamins        Ah.
18:37 drojf          17th afair
18:37 drojf          i think its tuesday
18:37 jcamins        Deadline is Wednesday?
18:35 drojf          jcamins: a little
18:35 jcamins        lol
18:35 drojf          everybody used up all their twenty email addresses? :P
18:35 jcamins        drojf: Nigeria is well ahead?
18:34 cait           yeah
18:34 drojf          kohacon 2013 voting frenzy seems to be over
18:25 nengard        it's NULL for all of my rules
18:25 nengard        anyone know what issuingrules.restrictedtype is for?
18:19 drojf          so, will you change to a rack full of raspberry pi for koha? :)
18:18 cait           :)
18:18 drojf          heh
18:18 drojf          hewh
18:18 cait           about that guy who was running koha on a raspberry pi
18:18 drojf          showed my coworker bugzilla. she even tried a sandbox
18:17 cait           a coworker told me a story today
18:17 drojf          hey cait :)
18:16 cait           hi drojf :)
18:16 drojf          hi #koha
18:02 jcamins        At least, I don't think there is.
18:02 datadoctor     Cool. Thanks!
18:02 jcamins        No CPANing involved.
18:02 jcamins        All part of the packages.
18:02 datadoctor     Am I going to need to download a bunch of cpan stuff separately, or is that a part of the packages?
17:59 datadoctor     That makes sense.
17:59 jcamins        Packages for production, git for development.
17:58 datadoctor     I'm installing 3.8 today, and wondering about the best method - do you recommend the git method or the download for Debian? Or a combination approach?
17:49 datadoctor     I like the concept, free access to book reviews - maybe it will catch on - they should probably put some of their funding toward getting librarians to review new books for their site!
17:48 jcamins        Of course, I guess there's no point if they don't have useful data.
17:47 datadoctor     Yes, jquery :)
17:46 jcamins        datadoctor: you could probably incorporate that into Koha with jQuery?
17:46 datadoctor     So their read-o-meter is cool, but doesn't have the data backing it up yet.
17:46 datadoctor     idreambooks wrote back to me - they offer a free read-o-meter widget, but most materials have only been reviewed by a few dozen people - they are working on their API, and need reviews for more materials.
17:27 kf             aaah would have been my next guess ;)
17:27 jcamins        Smoothie.
17:26 wahanui        salad is a definite possibility.
17:26 kf             salad?
17:26 kf             hmmmmmmmm
17:26 jcamins        I did. And why was I trying to chop up the seeds in the immersion blender?
17:26 kf             you got blackberries this week
17:26 kf             I do too
17:25 jcamins        Though oleonard knew what I was talking about when I said that yesterday.
17:25 jcamins        Usually I win that award with observations like "the problem with blackberries is that the seeds are too hard for the immersion blender to chop up."
17:24 kf             well, jcamins followed just fine :P
17:24 kf             ah
17:24 jcamins        A "non sequitur" is a statement that doesn't follow from the previous conversation.
17:24 kf             the what award?
17:24 * jcamins      followed just fine.
17:23 slef           kf wins today's nonsequitur award!
17:19 kf             marcelr++
17:04 Shane-S        now I have my crappy old HP laptop that dies in 45 minutes
17:04 Shane-S        my boss'es kids spilled soda on hers, so I had to give her mine, as that was all she had
17:03 Shane-S        I do miss my Macbook Pro through, it had a lovely 4-5 hours of battery life
17:01 Shane-S        yeah only issue with hardware, obsolete the moment you hit "checkout" :)
17:00 Shane-S        just don't have the $600 to spend to get 500Gb
17:00 jcamins        The thing is that if I wait a year and a half, it'll cost that much for something twice as fast.
17:00 Shane-S        downfall is mY HD, I want to get a solid state
17:00 Shane-S        it only cost me $800 in parts 2 years ago, grnated I recycled my case, DVD-RWs, and 1 HD, but should run someone like 400 or less today
16:59 jcamins        At some point I will break down and get a desktop.
16:58 jcamins        Wow.
16:58 Shane-S        only 1 VM in VB though, so I am sure the ram will go down lots more as I launch more vms
16:58 Shane-S        lol I love my system...ith 6 CPU cores, I am running a game, virtual box, irc, and firefox, and I am only at 20% load, with 10Gb ram left :P
16:56 jcamins        I choose only "Base distribution" (or whatever they call it) and "OpenSSH)
16:56 Shane-S        oh lunch....I should get some of that too!
16:54 Shane-S        i always do lamp, never did the SSH one
16:54 Shane-S        yeah there a bunch of options
16:54 jcamins        It has about five options, I think. "Base distribution," "Database," maybe "Web server," and "OpenSSH," at least.
16:53 Shane-S        okay thanks
16:53 jcamins        That's what I meant.
16:53 Shane-S        oh I am just at the core screen, where you can pick DNS, so do you mean the openSSH option?
16:52 jcamins        Base distribution and SSH.
16:52 jcamins        Actually, that's the only thing I install.
16:52 jcamins        Very important.
16:52 jcamins        SSH.
16:52 Shane-S        what server option should i check beyond LAMP if any to help with the install later?
16:44 BrianJPS       excellent, I'll check it out
16:44 jcamins        ^^ that page explains how to install Koha.
16:43 wahanui        packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
16:43 jcamins        packages?
16:43 BrianJPS       great, thanks
16:43 eythian        BrianJPS: if you have experience with working with Linux, fairly.
16:42 BrianJPS       alright, and with a Linux server it'll be straight forward to get started?
16:41 * eythian      is done for the day I think, last day in Brighton.
16:41 jcamins        BrianJPS: you'll want to use VirtualBox for testing, since Koha runs under Linux.
16:40 eythian        BrianJPS: the basic prereq is a Linux server, Koha itself won't run on Windows (though you can access it from windows.)
16:40 BrianJPS       Hey all, I'm interested in using Koha for a small library.  I'm trying to figure out what are the pre reqs for running it and just how to get started.  I'm on a windows-based system and am a bit of a layman.  Could someone help?
16:39 eythian        ah, I just presumed that vmware wouldn't support that :)
16:39 Shane-S        yeah and it should be able to do the open format as well both support it (escaping me now think it is vox)
16:38 eythian        well, vbox can import vmware images, so I assume it can export them...
16:38 eythian        it is technically possible to export a vbox vm and load into a vmware thing, I think, but I've never done it.
16:37 eythian        ah right
16:37 Shane-S        so I am working at home with my computer and Virtual Box in the hopes I can migrate my installs
16:37 Shane-S        supposed to be done this week, I will see
16:36 Shane-S        oh cool, I am hoping to move the VM, because I am networkless atm in work. I had to remove my server racks which held all the servers and main switches for asbestos removal
16:35 eythian        Shane-S: if you install from packages, you can use koha-dump and koha-restore if moving the VM itself is tricky.
16:35 Shane-S        then I have to see if I can import it inot my server running ESXi
16:34 Shane-S        its a VM anyway right now
16:34 Shane-S        okay well I will go with server, no gui and see how I fair
16:34 eythian        I have noise cancelling headphones for that :)
16:34 Shane-S        when I am at my desk people come to my door with the "Are you busy?" question and proceed to give me their issues before I go "Yes I am@"
16:33 Shane-S        Well, I try to remote when I can, but sometimes it helps to be in there as it is more a get away from interruptions and focus kind of deal
16:32 slef           else it's a bit of an unnecessary risk, what with all the nasties on the internet
16:32 slef           if so, I think there's an argument for working on the server
16:32 jcamins        Yeah, what they said.
16:32 slef           browse+IRC from workstation, not server, or are you short of computers?
16:32 eythian        (even if that server is in a VM on my desktop machine)
16:32 eythian        I also don't actually work directly on the server, I ssh into it from a real desktop machine.
16:31 Shane-S        I do for the browser and IRC
16:31 eythian        but you don't actually use the mouse when running a server.
16:30 Shane-S        its for me, I like my mouse :P
16:30 jcamins        You probably shouldn't be allowing anyone to use the server directly.
16:29 Shane-S        just trying to remember if the gui is an option or if I have to look up how to apt-get it
16:28 jcamins        FWIW, I never use desktop.
16:28 jcamins        Shane-S: Desktop vs. Server is basically just a difference between what's installed by default.
16:28 eythian        within reason, size of the collection doesn't matter terribly much, especially not at those levels.
16:27 Shane-S        I don't need major power we have under 10K books, realistically 6K but they never clear their old records
16:26 eythian        I tend to not to do desktop, but realistically it doesn't.
16:26 jcamins        Woohoo! I love thorough testing!
16:26 Shane-S        does desktop matter?
16:26 eythian        (which is why it breaks koha at the moment)
16:26 eythian        all you need to do is manually create a new mysql user, and you can't use '%' as wildcard like you can in older versions.
16:25 Shane-S        Ill go make a 12.04 VM
16:25 Shane-S        I had Zebra issues with 10.04 3.6.4 and you all help me get it working, but I want to no mess with it, as this will be my production install
16:24 Shane-S        that sounds manageable
16:24 eythian        You _will_ encounter an issue with database permissions however.
16:24 jcamins        http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Ubuntu has instructions for installing Koha on Lucid, but, as I know I've already told you, better to use packages.
16:23 jcamins        In fact, I would go so far as to say you should not use Lucid for 3.8+
16:23 slef           Shane-S: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian for packages, INSTALL.* files included with Koha for "straight" install.
16:23 Shane-S        okay I will have to try that then
16:23 jcamins        I would seriously consider using it.
16:23 jcamins        Shane-S: 12.04 is a LTS release.
16:22 jcamins        Shane-S: there are even more dependencies that won't be in Lucid.
16:22 oleonard       Shane-S: Or you could refer to the INSTALL file included with Koha
16:22 wahanui        packages is, like, at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
16:22 slef           packages?
16:22 eythian        fwiw.
16:22 eythian        Shane-S: the packages work on 12.04, with one issue that I'm hoping to fix soon.
16:21 Shane-S        could anyone direct me to the best documentation for installing 3.8.2 on Ubuntu 10.04... I remember using http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Lucid_using_Koha_packages with 3.6.4 and having issues
16:20 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7167 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Failed QA , updatedatabase improvements
16:19 jcamins        marcelr++ # for spending a lot of time on bug 7167
16:18 nengard        in my table it looks like the categorycode is actually the itype - not a patron category
16:17 nengard        mine has data but i don't know where it's coming from
16:17 nengard        default_borrower_circ_rules;
16:17 nengard        paste wrong
16:17 nengard        oops
16:17 nengard        Default checkout, hold and return policy
16:17 nengard        hmmmm ? what's this table?
16:15 nengard        okay - i'll do that at lunch
16:15 eythian        It _might_ be working now, or it may take a reboot of the guest OS.
16:15 nengard        thank you!
16:14 nengard        we'll see next week :)
16:14 eythian        should be, yeah
16:14 nengard        is it just magic?
16:14 wahanui        now is good time with holidays coming up
16:14 nengard        now what?
16:14 nengard        eythian okay it's installed
16:10 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6697 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Empty Organisation(s) field for organisational patrons
16:10 * slef         goes for a coffee break before testing his fix to bug 6697
16:10 nengard        stuff being downloaded
16:10 nengard        yup .. seems that way
16:09 eythian        your packages list is out of date I suspect.
16:09 eythian        ah, then run sudo apt-get update first
16:09 nengard        this one: " apt-get install virtualbox-ose-guest-utils" seemed to work
16:09 nengard        this one: "sudo apt-get install virtualbox-ose-guest-dkms " gave me some 404 errors
16:09 nengard        hmmm
16:09 eythian        yes, except where it says '(none)' that should be a version
16:08 nengard        i think that's right
16:08 nengard        yep
16:08 pastebot       "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "is this better?" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/29
16:08 eythian        Kandidaat:     3.2.10-dfsg-1
16:08 eythian        Geïnstalleerd: 3.2.10-dfsg-1
16:08 eythian        it'll say something like: virtualbox-ose-guest-dkms:
16:08 eythian        apt-cache policy virtualbox-ose-guest-dkms
16:07 eythian        I miswrote:
16:07 eythian        oh
16:07 pastebot       "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "eythian: this is what i see after installing those packages .... think maybe they didn't really install :)" (17 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/28
16:05 nengard        erased from my memory
16:05 nengard        will do
16:05 nengard        hehe
16:05 ropuch         nengard: forget about hwclock ;>
16:05 ropuch         eythian: yea, I just scrolled the log back and I don;t think that will help nengard
16:04 eythian        though, I don't know what the hardware clock would do in a VM anyway,
16:04 eythian        it's a thing that syncs between hardware and system clocks
16:04 jcamins        man 8 hwclock
16:04 nengard        k
16:04 eythian        no
16:04 nengard        do i need it if these installs work?
16:04 nengard        and ropuch what is hwclock?
16:04 eythian        (it lets debian talk directly to the host to get that sort of info)
16:04 nengard        installing
16:03 eythian        It's very likely to make difference
16:03 eythian        ok, then apt-get install them
16:03 nengard        okay apt-cache policy  did not show those 2 files you mentioned
16:03 ropuch         Running hwclock on boot time should do the trick also
16:02 eythian        nengard: but you will have a cron daemon running, it'd be weird not to.
16:02 ropuch         Uh
16:02 wahanui        well, Open Source is strong and solid partly because different people are working through the system
16:02 ropuch         Open Source
16:02 eythian        nengard: apt-cache policy
16:02 jcamins        Or ntpd -g -q
16:02 nengard        ?
16:02 nengard        and how do i check to see if those are installed
16:02 nengard        eythian, i don't have crons running, i'm just manually running everything once when i turn the vm back on cause i don't need them running all the time
16:01 jcamins        nengard: I don't think I did anything special.
16:01 eythian        nengard: and yes, you can add 'ntpdate to an hourly cron job to keep things in sync.
16:01 eythian        nengard: two things: make sure virtualbox-ose-guest-utils and virtualbox-ose-guest-dkms are installed in the VM
16:01 nengard        for now though i manually fixed it and i'll continue writing patches :)
16:00 nengard        jcamins then i want to know your secret
16:00 nengard        paul_p++
16:00 jcamins        I have never had a problem with the clock on my VM, and I don't run it all the time.
16:00 nengard        can i add the date function to that in some way?
16:00 nengard        now i have a script i run when i turn the vm on to run zebra and other crons
16:00 paul_p_        6PM here, *lot* of work done on koha (patches QAed, pushed, ...), time for my family now !
16:00 ropuch         Hello #koha :)
16:00 nengard        people have been saying that to me for years but it never seems to happen that way
15:59 nengard        and then i turn it off on the weekends
15:59 eythian        time in VMs is always a pain.
15:59 nengard        it's on most of the work week
15:59 eythian        hmm, it should come back with system time when it restarts.
15:59 nengard        just like those extra branches :)
15:59 nengard        no need for it to be running
15:59 nengard        no i turn it off
15:59 eythian        do you sleep it?
15:59 wahanui        virtualbox is good for that sort of thing
15:59 nengard        virtualbox
15:59 nengard        oh
15:59 nengard        so it loses time
15:59 nengard        and i don't have the vm on all the time
15:58 nengard        i'm on debian
15:58 nengard        yeah i think we tried ntp
15:58 eythian        what I really mean is "what is your VM software?"
15:58 eythian        I think so.
15:58 jcamins        eythian: really?
15:58 eythian        jcamins: ntp gives up if things are miles out.
15:58 eythian        what is your VM running?
15:58 jcamins        Enable ntp.
15:58 eythian        well, for a computer, anything outside of 10 seconds is way wrong ;)
15:57 nengard        no one has given me a foolproof way to stop that from happening
15:57 nengard        it always happens to my VM
15:57 nengard        but yes, wrong
15:57 nengard        not WAY
15:57 nengard        Thu Jul 12 09:23:22 EDT 2012
15:57 nengard        hmmm
15:57 eythian        nengard: unless there's something unusual going on with your email, I think your computer clock is way wrong.
15:54 * jcamins      improved his juggernaut script release-tool.pl to automatically push if all the tests pass, thus allowing the computer to spend several hours running tests while he is asleep.
15:53 jcamins        Or you could push them to release-tools.
15:53 jcamins        That'd be very useful. :)
15:52 paul_p_        jcamins = should I push them to contribs/ReleaseManagement/paul_p/*, for example ?
15:51 paul_p_        basically, I have 2 or 3 only. Plus git hooks that are already on the wiki
15:51 jcamins        You should. :)
15:51 jcamins        paul_p_: ah.
15:51 paul_p_        jcamins nope, but I planned to send them to the next RM ;-)
15:51 reiveune1      bye
15:50 jcamins        paul_p_: do you have a repo with your RM scripts?
15:46 nengard        doing more today
15:45 nengard        should be pretty easy
15:45 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6716 enhancement, P3, ---, nengard, Needs Signoff , Database Documentation
15:45 nengard        been working on db documentation again bug 6716 could use some review/sign off
15:45 jcamins        (if it hadn't, it would've been pushed a half hour ago or so)
15:45 jcamins        Hmm. Looks like the 3.6-testing branch failed some tests.
15:44 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8281 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Remove unused YUI files
15:44 jenkins_koha   oleonard: Bug 8281 - Remove unused YUI files
15:44 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #784: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/784/
15:44 wahanui        i heard jcamins was A-Grade developper on Koha willing to rewrite it from top to bottom. Good Luck jcamins
15:44 larryb         Hey jcamins
15:43 * jcamins      waves to larryb
15:43 eythian        no jcamins, in Soviet Russia, coins read books about numismaticists.
15:40 jcamins        slef: the ANS only let's people read books about coins, not coins read books about people. ;)
15:33 slef           anyway, that doesn't matter right now
15:32 slef           which is actually wrong because it takes it from borrowers table!
15:32 slef           C4::Members calls it "C<&categorycode> is from categorycode table"
15:31 eythian        gaetan_B: see you shortly :)
15:31 slef           numismatics :)
15:30 eythian        slef: I expect jcamins_away would be the closest :)
15:30 slef           that thing that could be a doublon is the second element returned by checkuniquemember
15:30 gaetan_B       bye :)
15:30 slef           anyone here got a library that issues books to gold coins?
15:29 slef           errr, seems a bit unlikely
15:29 slef           Doubloon \Doub*loon"\, n. [F. doublon, Sp. doblon. See {Double}, a., and cf. {Dupion}.] A Spanish gold coin, no longer issued, varying in value at different times from over fifteen dollars to about five. See {Doblon} in Sup. [1913 Webster]
15:29 slef           memberentry.pl:222
15:29 slef           #   recover the category type if the borrowers is a doublon
15:28 slef           No definitions found for "doublon", perhaps you mean: gcide:  Doubloon wn:  doubloon moby-thes:  doubloon
15:28 slef           what's a doublon?
15:25 eythian        I dunno, command completion is pretty hefty
15:24 slef           bash thinks it is
15:24 eythian        also, this isn't the early 80's any more.
15:24 slef           can we get a nonlinear pipe in there somehow?
15:24 eythian        yeah
15:23 slef           string reparsing or a pipe... tough choice
15:23 eythian        git branch -D `git branch` if you want to avoid a pipe
15:23 eythian        heh
15:22 slef           now with ADDED xargs! MORE angels on EVERY pin!
15:22 eythian        that would be a better solution, yeah
15:22 eythian        if someone puts a space in a branch name, they deserve everything they get :)
15:22 slef           eythian: git branch -l | xargs git branch -D
15:21 slef           I always type "git branch -l" too... not sure why
15:21 eythian        yeah, it's just slef typing with a funny accent :)
15:20 slef           eythian: git branch | while read br ; do git branch -D "$br" ; done # because you just know someone will put a space in a branch name one day ;-)
15:20 nengard        i'm one of those people who likes things clean and i had a ton of junk in there
15:20 nengard        thank you both!
15:20 nengard        eythian's way worked
15:19 slef           nengard: I don't see why not... it's not how I'd write it, but it's only dialectal differences ;-)
15:18 nengard        slef so  ---    for br in $(git branch) ; do git branch -D $br ; done
15:18 eythian        (also: habit :)
15:18 eythian        slef: for throwaway commands, it makes no difference.
15:18 slef           eythian: $(git branch) not `git branch` Shirley?
15:17 nengard        oh :)
15:17 eythian        no, it's just round.
15:17 nengard        is 200 a magic number?
15:15 eythian        I'm 5 branches short of 200, I can't delete them now anyway ;)
15:15 nengard        heh
15:15 eythian        something like that (untested obviously)
15:14 eythian        for br in `git branch` ; do git branch -D $br ; done
15:14 nengard        and how do i do that?
15:14 eythian        (and it'll leave that one behind)
15:14 eythian        so, I'd delete everything.
15:14 eythian        but you can't delete the one you're on anyway
15:14 eythian        I never delete branches
15:13 nengard        and don't want to delete them one by one
15:13 nengard        I need to do a purge cause I have way too many branches that I don't need/use
15:13 nengard        is there a way in git to remove all branches but the one you're on?
14:51 oleonard       Yeah
14:51 kf             still in developement it seems :(
14:51 kf             http://wiki.jqueryui.com/w/page/12137997/Menu
14:51 kf             ?
14:50 kf             any news on the menu developmentß
14:50 kf             ah ok
14:50 oleonard       Buttons and menus are tied together so closely that they really have to be done at the same time
14:48 kf             it would be awesome to get it all done for 3.10
14:48 * kf           could help
14:48 kf             maybe can be done in steps?
14:47 kf             but lots of work
14:47 kf             oleonard: hm I think buttons would be nice
14:47 oleonard       The drag and drop stuff in basketgroups will have to be updated too.
14:45 oleonard       Greybox does some things out of the box that I'm having trouble replicating with jqueryUI dialog
14:44 oleonard       Menus and buttons mostly. I was also hoping to be able to replace the greybox library with jQueryUI Dialog, but that turned out to be more complex than I anticipated
14:43 wahanui        i guess missing is usualy library only, an item that's not out
14:43 kf             oleonard: what is missing?
14:42 kf             oleonard: I love all the new updated elements
14:42 * oleonard     regrets that the low-hanging fruit is gone in his YUI-removal project
14:41 paul_p_        and another internet connexion failure...
14:41 jenkins_koha   Starting build #784 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 8 days 23 hr ago)
14:40 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8353 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, henridamien.laurent, Pushed to Master , Add test to compare sysprefs in db to syspref.sql
14:40 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6394 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , purchase order has french hard coded in
14:40 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7411 normal, P3, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , remove diacritics when automatically generating userid
14:40 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8315 major, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , fix 'C4::Output 3.02' errors in Koha
14:40 jenkins_koha   * paul.poulain: Bug 8353 follow-up adding a tiny sh in misc/maintenance
14:40 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8283 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace usage of YUI Cookie utility with jQuery Cookie plugin
14:40 jenkins_koha   * jcamins: Bug 8353 follow-up: Perltidy new test
14:40 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5644 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , dropbox mode doesn't set the correct date
14:40 jenkins_koha   * henridamien.laurent: Bug 8353: Adds a test to check for missing sysprefs in the database
14:40 jenkins_koha   * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6394: purchase order has French strings hard coded in
14:40 jenkins_koha   * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7411: Follop-up: Add Text::Unaccent to PerlDependencies.pm
14:40 jenkins_koha   * dpavlin: Bug 8315 - remove use C4::* version
14:40 jenkins_koha   * oleonard: Bug 8283 - Replace usage of YUI Cookie utility with jQuery Cookie plugin
14:40 jenkins_koha   * Chris Cormack: Bug 5644 : Fixing dropbox mode calculation
14:40 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #783: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/783/
14:26 marcelr        how long will you be there  still?
14:25 paul_p         marcelr = you can count on me !!!
14:25 marcelr        i will submit it soon but need your testing again
14:25 marcelr        but still finding errors
14:25 marcelr        paul_p: i am amending the patch
14:24 paul_p         marcelr = yep, i'm still here
14:23 * jcamins      heads into the city.
14:23 jcamins        I replaced the file with conflicts with the version from 3.8.x and applied the patch to 3.6-testing, but that will need to be tested prior to going into 3.6.8.
14:23 kf             so at the moment it's not hurting so much
14:23 kf             and we also fixed acq manually
14:23 wahanui        there is, like, no spoon. or something like the second with holes like the first... or a patch from jared soemwhere removing some of the nozebra code
14:23 marcelr        paul_p: still there?
14:23 kf             we fixed it with separate templates
14:22 kf             it's ok
14:22 jcamins        kf: there was no 3.6.x patch for e-mailing carts.
14:21 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7167 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , updatedatabase improvements
14:21 jcamins        3.6.7 should be pretty nice. :)
14:21 marcelr        bug 7167 should really pass now but. ..
14:20 kf             tackling all those big patches for qa :)
14:20 marcelr        ?
14:20 kf             ah marcelr++ btw :)
14:20 marcelr        :)
14:20 kf             oh wow
14:20 * oleonard     moans 'Oh, the scrolling!'
14:20 jcamins        Sorry about that.
14:19 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7548 normal, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, Pushed to Stable , Missing arguments in the pagination of receptions
14:19 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8201 major, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , can't change receive date
14:19 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7894 blocker, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Broken detail page for first link on page 2 from search result page in OPAC
14:19 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8176 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , $sqlwhere is undefined in C4::Serials in GetSubscriptions
14:19 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3638 normal, P2, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , Status of hold not changed when item checked in via SIP2 Interface
14:19 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8082 major, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Stable , The:  IssuingInProcess  configuration setting is working in reverse.
14:19 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8116 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , z3950 empty search causes silent warning in koha-error_log
14:19 jenkins_koha   * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7548: Missing arguments when receiving orders
14:19 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8111 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Language chooser display problem in self-checkout
14:19 jcamins        Good grief.
14:19 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7847 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Stable , OPAC search dies with plack
14:19 jenkins_koha   * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 8201: Receive date not passed through correctly
14:19 jenkins_koha   * mjr: bug 7894 [SIGNED-OFF]: crude fix: convert results array into an arrayref
14:19 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7599 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Cart JavaScript contains untranslatable English strings
14:19 jenkins_koha   * colin.campbell: Bug 8176 [SIGNED-OFF] Assign an intial value to $sqlwhere
14:19 jenkins_koha   * colin.campbell: Bug 3638 : Captured Holds may need to generate a transfer
14:19 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8140 blocker, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Stable , Error when exporting label xml
14:19 jenkins_koha   * colin.campbell: Bug 3638 Self Check Should Capture Hold Items
14:19 jenkins_koha   * Chris Cormack: Bug 8082: Fixing circulation.pref to match reality for IssuingInProcess
14:19 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4330 normal, P3, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Copyright statements out of date
14:19 jenkins_koha   * paul.poulain: Welcome to Piotr Kowalski, that is 183th
14:19 jenkins_koha   * kolpen: Bug 8116 : Fixing warn in error log
14:19 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8144 critical, P1 - high, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , 775 tag in the MARC record causes display issue
14:19 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6684 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Stable , koha-remove should check the number of arguments it gets
14:19 jenkins_koha   * oleonard: Bug 8111 - Language chooser display problem in self-checkout
14:19 jenkins_koha   * jcamins: Bug 7847: OPAC search dies with Plack
14:19 jenkins_koha   * oleonard: Bug 7599 - [SIGNED-OFF] Cart JavaScript contains untranslatable English strings
14:19 jenkins_koha   * kyle: Bug 8140 - [SIGNED-OFF] Error when exporting label xml
14:19 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8080 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Stable , login and password is pre-filled by the browser when creating a new patron
14:19 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5795 normal, P3, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , Missing ReservesControlBranch system pref in database installer
14:19 jenkins_koha   * Chris Cormack: Bug 4330 : Adding copyright headers and fixing FSF addresses
14:19 jenkins_koha   * Chris Cormack: Bug 4330 : Fixing FSF address and copyright headers for acqui/
14:19 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3521 trivial, P3, ---, koha.sekjal, Pushed to Stable , Items table in catalogue/detail.pl and cataloguing/additem.pl is sorted nonsensically
14:19 jenkins_koha   * Chris Cormack: Bug 4330 : Adding missing license statement
14:19 jenkins_koha   * Chris Cormack: Bug 4330 Fixing FSF statements
14:19 jenkins_koha   * Chris Cormack: Bug 4330 : Fixing FSF address and copyright statements
14:19 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7948 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Stable , Printing transfer slip loses barcode field focus
14:19 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7604 normal, P3, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , Link on basket group name for closed basket groups is broken
14:19 jenkins_koha   * Chris Cormack: Bug 4330 : Fixing FSF address and copyright headers
14:19 jenkins_koha   * paul.poulain: Bug 8144 - 775 tag in the MARC record causes display issue
14:19 jenkins_koha   * paul.poulain: Welcome to the 182th commiter !
14:19 jenkins_koha   * simon.story: Bug 6684: Fixes to koha-remove
14:19 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8001 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Stable , Add some styling to the tags to allow them to be distinctive
14:19 jenkins_koha   * kyle: Bug 8080 - login and password is pre-filled by the browser when creating a new patron
14:19 jenkins_koha   * amit.gupta: Bug 5795 Update the database as follow-up If sys pref
14:19 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7496 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Personally identifying information sent in opac user TITLE
14:19 jenkins_koha   * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 5795 [SIGNED-OFF] - Missing ReservesControlBranch system pref in database installer
14:19 jenkins_koha   * kyle: Bug 3521 - Items table in catalogue/detail.pl and cataloguing/additem.pl is sorted nonsensically
14:19 jenkins_koha   * kyle: Bug 7948 - Printing transfer slip loses barcode field focus
14:19 jenkins_koha   * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7604 - Link on basket group name for closed basket groups is broken
14:19 jenkins_koha   * robin: Bug 8001: [SIGNED-OFF] improve styling potential of the tag list
14:19 jenkins_koha   * oleonard: Bug 7496 - Personally identifying information sent in opac user TITLE
14:19 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_3.6.x build #54: SUCCESS in 1 hr 28 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/54/
14:17 jcamins        wizzyrea: or he hit refresh.
14:15 wizzyrea       it
14:15 wizzyrea       …I hope that means we fixed
14:12 wizzyrea       I suspect just removing the html from the preference will allow it to save - but maybe not
14:10 eythian        (well, to unset the syspref)
14:10 eythian        pity, I could send you one command to fix it if it were done with packages.
14:10 bornie         jcamins:Koha on ubuntu
14:09 bornie         ok
14:09 wizzyrea       but do try the easy way first :)
14:09 wizzyrea       if we need to we'll do it the hard way
14:08 bornie         ok thnx will see about tht
14:08 jcamins        bornie: which instructions?
14:08 wizzyrea       see if it works better
14:08 wizzyrea       and save the system preferences
14:08 wizzyrea       try just deleting what is in your header
14:08 wizzyrea       bornie
14:08 bornie         I used the instructions on the koha wiki
14:07 eythian        bornie: how did you install Koha? (but try what wizzyrea is saying first)
14:07 wizzyrea       we'll talk about nuking it from the database
14:07 wizzyrea       if you can't do that
14:07 bornie         sorry am kinda new to koha wat packages
14:07 wizzyrea       it *ought* to work
14:07 wizzyrea       and save it
14:07 marcelr        paul_p: amending another dangerous typo: _get_queries  -> get_queries
14:07 wizzyrea       go into the opac preferences, remove the stuff in the header
14:07 oleonard       Try it here: /cgi-bin/koha/admin/systempreferences.pl?tab=OPAC
14:07 wizzyrea       well, you can *try* deleting it all from the interface
14:07 eythian        bornie: you're using the packages, right?
14:06 bornie         how do I do that wizzy
14:06 eythian        OK.
14:06 wizzyrea       you will have to delete what is in your preference from the db
14:06 bornie         etythian am actually on the server
14:06 wizzyrea       you have something malformed in your html
14:05 * wizzyrea     has actually, if you can believe it, seen this before
14:05 wizzyrea       so
14:05 wizzyrea       AHA
14:05 bornie         just recently  added custom html for my header
14:05 gaetan_B       anyone using Item Circulation Alerts and can give me explanations ? (is it still really used ?)
14:05 wizzyrea       what changed?
14:05 eythian        bornie: how are you connecting? Is your browser on the Koha server, on the same LAN, or further away?
14:04 wizzyrea       oooo
14:04 bornie         problem is it was working well a couple of days ago
14:04 bornie         yep and all form data too
14:04 wahanui        Cookies are delicious delicacies
14:04 oleonard       And cookies?
14:03 bornie         yep cleared all browser hstry
14:03 wizzyrea       clear cache, flush cookies
14:03 wizzyrea       ^^ this was going to be my suggestion too
14:03 eythian        bornie: have you flushed all related cookies and logged in again, in case something crazy is going on with your session?
14:02 bornie         okay am trying to customize OPAC and am getting timed out on saving
14:02 oleonard       "thnx I installed koha 3.8 on Ubuntu 12.04 & was trying to customise OPAC Preferences bt I keep getting Error: data might not be saved. session timed out"
14:02 jcamins        Save sysprefs.
14:02 wahanui        "What are you trying to do?"  "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?"
14:02 wizzyrea       the first question?
14:02 wizzyrea       I missed what bornie is trying to do
14:02 eythian        that's not dealing with system preferences.
14:01 bornie         moremember.pl: Problem = a value of 1 has been passed to param without key at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Templates.pm line 187., referer: http://127.0.1.1:8080/cgi-bin/koha/members/memberentry.pl?op=modify&borrowernumber=55&step part of the error message i hv found
14:01 wahanui        okay, wizzyrea.
14:01 eythian        OK, that shouldn't be it then.
14:01 wizzyrea       no, wahanui, firefox is koha's preferred browser
14:01 wahanui        i heard firefox was so much better for maximep's use case of opening hundreds of tabs in tab groups. Chrome couldn't do that
14:01 bornie         firefox
14:01 eythian        bornie: what browser are you using?
14:00 oleonard       bornie: Since setting system preferences is an AJAX operation I wonder if there is a problem with your system which would result in the operation being attempted on a different domain or path? I'm just guessing though.
14:00 jcamins        Oh, guess those were from eythian and wizzyrea.
13:59 jcamins        mtompset: Hehe.
13:59 bornie         okay thanx for all your efforts
13:58 oleonard       bornie: The fact that your problem is unfamiliar to us suggests it may be a configuration error outside of Koha's scope. That makes it difficult for us to diagnose.
13:58 wizzyrea       oh and this one for jcamins: http://www.topatoco.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TO&Product_Code=QC-BAKING&Category_Code=QC
13:57 bornie         apache is complaining abt a named virtual hosts
13:57 wahanui        Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
13:57 eythian        germs?
13:57 eythian        germs
13:57 mtompset       koga should be koha.
13:56 mtompset       Like the apache ones?
13:56 mtompset       did you check other error logs other than the koga one?
13:55 bornie         guys can I go ahead and unistall my koha then
13:55 eythian        I've been tempted to get it for wearing to conferences and client meetings.
13:55 * mtompset     laughs.
13:55 wahanui        http://www.topatoco.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TO&Product_Code=QC-BLINDED&Category_Code=QC
13:55 mtompset       library science?
13:55 wahanui        okay, eythian.
13:55 eythian        no wahanui, library science is <reply>http://www.topatoco.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TO&Product_Code=QC-BLINDED&Category_Code=QC
13:55 * wizzyrea     laughs at eythian
13:55 wahanui        ...but library science is the kingdom of hacks :)...
13:55 eythian        wahanui: library science is <reply>http://www.topatoco.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TO&Product_Code=QC-BLINDED&Category_Code=QC
13:54 mtompset       Oh that is hilarious, eythian.
13:54 * wizzyrea     makes an esoteric feng shui joke
13:54 wizzyrea       he forgot to open his south facing window?
13:53 * libsysguy    highfives wizzyrea back
13:53 mtompset       jcamins, Why is your libchi only 52? ;)
13:53 * wizzyrea     giggles at mtompset
13:53 eythian        http://www.topatoco.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TO&Product_Code=QC-BLINDED&Category_Code=QC <-- mtompset
13:53 * wizzyrea     highfives libsysguy
13:53 * wizzyrea     nods
13:53 wahanui        i heard libsysguy was Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck
13:53 libsysguy      libsysguy?
13:52 mtompset       As long as it isn't blinding. ;)
13:52 * oleonard     suspects with SCIENCE
13:52 mtompset       How did you change that?
13:51 wizzyrea       there you go ;)
13:51 wahanui        I LIKE SCIENCE and I GEEK KOHA
13:51 wizzyrea       wizzyrea?
13:51 kf             I geek Koha? :)
13:51 wizzyrea       that too :)
13:50 mtompset       I thought it was I geek Libraries?
13:50 wahanui        I LIKE SCIENCE
13:50 mtompset       wizzyrea.
13:50 mtompset       Hello, wizzrea.
13:49 * wizzyrea     yawns
13:49 * wizzyrea     waves
13:47 bornie         thnx oleonard I am a newbie and its my first tym here
13:46 oleonard       bornie: huginn is a bot who is complaining because you're putting an "@" in front of irc nicks
13:46 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7167 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , updatedatabase improvements
13:46 kf             bug 7167
13:46 kf             the staff file is way too big and a good chunk of that is the help files I think
13:46 marcelr        paul_p: 7167
13:45 kf             so you could do opac- staff - help - sysprefs
13:45 kf             I have filed a bug for that
13:45 kf             paul_p: I would like to see documentation separated out too
13:45 huginn         bornie: I've exhausted my database of quotes
13:45 bornie         @ huggin wats a RDA
13:45 paul_p         just a fact = 3 pos to translate = staff, opac, sysprefs
13:45 kf             not a problem - you only have to think to teach a script to make a po out of it :)
13:45 kf             nope
13:45 paul_p         jcamins = it's not really a problem
13:44 kf             and the syspref translation script is also clever, because it keeps the strings in a good order for translations using comments
13:44 jcamins        Ah. Separate file is a problem. Got it.
13:44 kf             which is good btw
13:44 kf             yes
13:44 paul_p         jcamins yes they are, in a separate file !
13:44 kf             they are
13:44 jcamins        kf: sysprefs aren't translatable?
13:44 kf             so maybe not easier
13:44 kf             you would have to write something to parse a po file out of it too
13:43 kf             keep the data structure the same, but feed it from elsewhere?
13:43 jcamins        kf: that's why I was suggesting yaml, like with sysprefs.
13:43 kf             loopnig over stuff and such, I got confused
13:43 kf             so it's with both
13:43 kf             paul_p: the tree view uses lots of js
13:42 huginn         bornie: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
13:42 bornie         @mtompset  I did look at the error log but there is nothing suggesting an error in system preferences
13:42 paul_p         kf = was it with T::T or H::T::P ?
13:42 kf             or was scared to break trying to do that...
13:42 kf             I looked into it once, but it generates the tree view in a way that I didn't want to break
13:42 kf             paul_p: I think you are right
13:41 paul_p         kf I think the easiest way to do it would be to put permission descriptions in templates !
13:40 jcamins        kf: ah.
13:40 kf             jcamins: I woud like it - we could get a po file out of yaml too maybe and get rid of the sql files
13:40 kf             jcamins: because noone has rewritten it so far :)
13:40 marcelr        should be an assignment..
13:40 marcelr        and some typos: including a dangerous one: my $koha39 =~ "3.0900000";
13:39 marcelr        hope you do not mind some amendments in 7167
13:39 jcamins        Why don't we use yaml for permissions?
13:39 paul_p         marcelr yep
13:35 marcelr        paul_p: joubu around?
13:34 mtompset       Did anyone suggest that bornie look at the /var/log/koha/... error logs?
13:25 huginn         New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'jcamins/bug_8281_qa' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=60b6c187c46614431f109512c740a3bcf077f342>
13:17 bornie         hey
13:17 wahanui        niihau, abc
13:17 abc            HI
13:16 bornie         actually when I am doing other things it doesn't bt when I try to save any preference it times out
13:15 oleonard       bornie: Does your session time out when you're doing other things, or only when working with preferences?
13:14 bornie         anybody knws wht could b wrong with my OPAC saving preferences
13:10 bornie21       nope am nt using a proxy
13:10 eythian        are you behind a crazy proxy?
13:08 bornie21       I think its failing to save preferences but I was able to that a couple if days ago when i changed the header html
13:06 bornie21       Yeah its still timing me out and the timeout setting is set to 1d
13:05 paul_p         if you reach another page, have you the same "timeout" thing ?
13:05 oleonard       bornie21: have you changed Koha's timeout settings in system preferences?
13:05 paul_p         s/behing/behind/, of course
13:05 paul_p         bornie21 = are you behing a (crazy) proxy by -not really a- chance ?
13:05 tweetbot`      [off] Twitter: @NToddsPa: "Bicycle ride this morning in between conference calls re 2 new libraries that will be joining the VOKAL #kohails. The more the merrier!"
13:04 bornie21       thnx I installed koha 3.8 on Ubuntu 12.04 & was trying to customise OPAC Preferences bt I keep getting Error: data might not be saved. session timed out
13:03 paul_p         oleonard = it's the way Test::More work it seems
13:00 oleonard       bornie21: If you have a question about Koha ask it here
12:57 oleonard       Why is the "OK" output of that script "# No tests run!" ?
12:55 huginn         New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8353 follow-up adding a tiny sh in misc/maintenance <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f08698a40670f71e2aa31274334ae7a2f8abe3ef> / Bug 8353 follow-up: Perltidy new test <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=407583aa932a1cb3ae412a61f78c9df0f1b11666> / Bug 8353: Adds a test to check for missing sysprefs in the database <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.g
12:50 jenkins_koha   Starting build #783 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 8 days 21 hr ago)
12:50 jenkins_koha   Starting build #54 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
12:38 paul_p_        BibLibre internet access is unstable today :\
12:37 marcelr        paul-p seems to be paul_p_
12:35 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7167 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , updatedatabase improvements
12:35 marcelr        paul_p: i am working on bug 7167 again; hoping for the best now..
12:32 clrh           jcamins: great for dedup!
12:20 paul_p_        thx jcamins
12:12 jcamins        I also moved the script to t/db_dependent while I was at it.
12:12 jcamins        Well, the second one wouldn't.
12:11 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8353 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, henridamien.laurent, Passed QA , Add test to compare sysprefs in db to syspref.sql
12:11 jcamins        paul_p_: the follow-up patches for bug 8353 wouldn't apply, so I recreated them.
11:59 mtompset       Oh, you were mentioning something about zebra-ish things on the list..
11:59 jcamins        Right.
11:59 mtompset       remove duplicates?
11:58 mtompset       dedup authorities?
11:58 jcamins        Not vice versa, though.
11:58 jcamins        Good news! It should be quite easy to integrate my dedup authorities stuff into BibLibre's script.
11:42 kf_lunch       hi oleonard
11:42 oleonard       Hi #koha
11:18 * kf_lunch     decides to ignore that right now
11:17 kf_lunch       *sigh*
11:17 kf_lunch       umlauts in the cart email are broken
11:17 kf_lunch       hmmmm
11:01 rangi          yep
10:53 eythian        So it very much likely is that
10:53 eythian        hmm, if I change the 'hl' to 'en', it appears third, after .org and wikipedia
10:53 eythian        ah well, went and '+1'ed it
10:53 rangi          who knows, you could go insane trying to guess how it works
10:52 rangi          not enough dutch pages linking to it :)
10:52 eythian        ah, it's half way down page 2
10:51 rangi          yeah
10:51 eythian        yeah. I'll be getting a combination of language=nl, country=uk results.
10:51 rangi          so its not what happened the other time, when it wouldnt come up anywhere, just the way they do their ranking is mental
10:50 eythian        it's second there
10:50 rangi          what about koha ils
10:50 eythian        I get www.koha.org, koha.net, translate.k-c, kohacon12 summary, wikipedia...
10:49 rangi          fine here
10:49 rangi          weird
10:49 eythian        yeah
10:49 rangi          in firefox
10:49 eythian        not here
10:49 rangi          2nd on the list
10:49 rangi          does for me
10:48 eythian        I see that googling 'koha' doesn't find the main koha-community.org page again :/
10:28 mtompset       heisenbugs?! sucky.
10:26 eythian        hi papa
10:25 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7910 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, amit.gupta, Signed Off , Batch renewal of serials and order creation
10:25 Amit_Gupta     bug 7910
10:25 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8415 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, amit.gupta, Needs Signoff , Link Serial with Acquisition
10:25 Amit_Gupta     bug 8415
10:18 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8418 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Koha::Calendar is_holiday ignores all user data
10:18 * rangi        hopes someone else takes a look at bug 8418, its too late in the night for my brain
09:56 slef           hehe
09:54 kf             I mean I am not rangi, but still answering .P
09:54 kf             slef: not rangi - predictable depending on configuration
09:53 slef           rangi: predictable or a heisenbug?
09:53 slef           anyone know a guide/study for consortium use of Koha?
09:52 rangi          like all annoying bugs
09:52 rangi          it only manifests in certain situations
09:52 slef           hi all
09:49 kf             calendar is quite central to circ
09:49 kf             it sure sounds like it
09:49 rangi          if we get it in, and fix the last of the fines one, 3.8.3 should be pretty solid
09:49 rangi          it solves a bunch of problems
09:45 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8418 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Koha::Calendar is_holiday ignores all user data
09:45 kf             bug 8418
09:43 rangi          there are 3 patches on 8418
09:42 kf             which was the third one?
09:39 rangi          the third one needs a lot more testing working on it now
09:39 rangi          signed off 2
09:26 alex_a         kf: okay !
09:25 kf             but have to prepare for a presentation next week
09:25 kf             alex_a: I put it on my pile of things to test a minute ago - hope to get to it soon
09:25 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8381 blocker, P1 - high, ---, alex.arnaud, ASSIGNED , Paging broken in OPAC search results
09:25 alex_a         kf: Bug 8381 is fixed (i hope). And it should fix the freezing problem too. And you're the one (with me) that can test
09:20 * rangi        goes to look at dpavlin's patch
09:19 rangi          no worries
09:18 mtompset       Hi, matts.
09:18 mtompset       Hi, rangi. Sorry for not scrolling back.
09:18 mtompset       Sweet. Which reminds me... I need to look at some of my bugs, and see what happened to them. And figure out that one bug report that just doesn't seem to work when I do a simple rename.
09:17 mtompset       Was chatting with my supervisor who has just switched timezones for the next while.
09:16 kf             np
09:16 mtompset       Sorry for the delay.
09:16 mtompset       Hi, kf.
09:06 kf             mtompset: http://dashboard.koha-community.org
09:06 kf             hi mtompset :)
09:06 kf             hi mt
09:04 rangi          hi mtompset
09:04 mtompset       Greetings, #koha.
09:01 kf             drojf: you speak brookish? :)
08:57 * drojf        giggles about brooke's email
08:54 drojf          hi rangi and kf :)
08:54 kf             hi drojf
08:54 rangi          heya drojf
08:51 drojf          good day #koha
08:48 alex_a         hmmm too
08:47 rangi          hmmm
08:47 alex_a         So query_desc should be used somewhere
08:47 alex_a         when i comment this line "$query_desc .= ", $limit_desc";" no longer have the freeze and pager works !
08:45 rangi          hmm parse fail, i can not make heads nor tails of that email
08:33 kf             alex_a: something must have changed in between :(
08:33 kf             alex_a: neither did I when I signed off your patch
08:14 alex_a         yep, and i did not have this behavior before
08:13 rangi          weird
08:13 alex_a         however, "a" are not highlighted
08:13 alex_a         rangi: nope. I just search "a"
08:12 * paul_p       head to bugzilla and should work on it for the rest of friday...
08:07 rangi          for the record i like the french pronounciation of koha a lot better than the US one
08:07 rangi          mystery solved
08:06 rangi          ah ok :)
08:06 paul_p         rangi = usually yes. But you must know that "koha" is pronounced in french like the word "quoi" which is "what". So we usually empasize the h = "kohhhha". So "kohala" is sometimes emphasized too
08:05 rangi          paul_p: i guess i was asking that when pronounced in french does kohala and koala sounds similar?
08:04 rangi          alex_a: is there something that makes the page grow large and the highlight try to highlight too much?
08:04 paul_p         maybe they're thinking of a communication to enrole more libraries. Or change the kohala logo. I don't know
08:03 kf             paul_p: I think we know about kohala being the french user group - it's more we are still wondering about the secret behind the tweet :)
08:02 clrh           https://twitter.com/Tredok/status/220896173710508033 https://twitter.com/Tredok/status/219668150113935361
08:02 alex_a         But what is the relationship ?
08:02 paul_p         in french "Association" refer to "Association loi 1901", that is the most common NPO (99.5% of NPO are "law 1901 association")
08:02 alex_a         this js seems to block the query: "opac-tmpl/prog/en/lib/jquery/plugins/jquery.highlight-3.js"
08:02 paul_p         kohala = KOHA Libre Association
08:01 rangi          yep, and does that sounds like koala when you pronounce it?
08:01 kf             rangi: ?? :)
08:01 clrh           maybe paul_p knowws more why ;)
08:00 clrh           kf rangi the french koha association is called kohala
07:59 rangi          :)
07:59 rangi          we can successfully break browsers with html
07:59 rangi          thats pretty awesome
07:58 alex_a         And i can confirm that when i comment the few lines of this patch, browser no longer freeze
07:55 kf             but it has the latest version of whatever is in ubuntu
07:55 kf             hm can't check, was testing on my laptop :(
07:54 alex_a         kf: i just update ff to 13.0.1. And you ?
07:54 kf             and you will :)
07:54 kf             because now you can figure out how to stop it :)
07:54 paul_p         the question being = WTF difference ?
07:54 rangi          that was a confusing one
07:54 kf             I am glad you can reproduce it!!
07:54 alex_a         kf: yes
07:54 paul_p         alex_a = there must be something with the configuration, because some/many don't have this problem of freeze...
07:54 alex_a         my_patch--
07:54 kf             well
07:54 alex_a         + paging broken
07:54 kf             alex_a: you can reproduce it?
07:53 alex_a         my_patch--
07:53 alex_a         :(
07:53 alex_a         Browser freezes
07:53 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5981 normal, P5 - low, ---, alex.arnaud, ASSIGNED , OPAC: Add limits to search history
07:53 alex_a         kf: i get the same problem than you on bug 5981
07:53 kf             the kohala is a good idea
07:53 rangi          someone must know, or ill be trying to figure it out all night :)
07:52 rangi          why the koala and koha .. is it because of kohala ?
07:52 rangi          paul_p: https://twitter.com/27point7/statuses/223657946205261825
07:52 kf             I already herd cats... why not bugs
07:52 rangi          bug herder :)
07:52 rangi          herder would be another good one
07:51 rangi          but you can kinda of use it nowadays for anything
07:51 kf             heh
07:51 rangi          you wrangle horses
07:51 kf             I am a cow girl then? woohoo :)
07:51 clrh           aaaah
07:51 rangi          same in english
07:51 paul_p         google translate says = "cow-boy" ...
07:50 clrh           the litteral translation is the guys who take care of horses
07:50 rangi          you might understand this
07:50 rangi          oh paul_p
07:50 clrh           :)
07:50 * paul_p       tries to find a french word for "wrangler" and can't ...
07:49 kf             clrh: and you do work on Koha - even if it's not visible in a lot of patches :)
07:48 rangi          1 patch is more than 6 billion people have done
07:33 clrh           I just submitted a patch and not sure to submit a lot more...
07:32 kf             clrh++ :)
07:32 clrh           rangi: hum :)
07:32 kf             rangi++
07:32 rangi          and clrh is list in it
07:32 kf             yay!
07:31 rangi          new developers section added to the dashboard
07:30 clrh           kf
07:30 clrh           hello kt
07:26 kf             bonjour clrh :)
07:24 clrh           jcamins_away: ++
07:24 mveron         au revoir, dcook
07:23 dcook          Au revoir, tout le monde
07:23 dcook          In any case, my brain is about to explode and I have a week from hell coming up, so I better get moving!
07:23 dcook          Might be an oversight in the design mveron
07:21 paul_p         hi rangi & kf & everyone
07:21 kf             hello gaetan_B, hello again rangi and #koha
07:21 rangi          hi paul_p clrh kf and gaetan_B
07:20 gaetan_B       hello :)
07:17 clrh           jcamins_away: I am here but not you ;)
07:17 clrh           hello
07:16 dcook          Mmm, good point
07:13 mveron         dcook: It is'nt by design, no? Misunderstanding "done"?
07:13 dcook          I doubt anyone has stumbled upon that one
07:12 dcook          Looks like you have to actually choose the new date if you want to change the month and/or year
07:11 dcook          Same thing with the month
07:11 dcook          Mmm, I see what you're saying now
07:10 mveron         dcook: It misbehaves with the year. If I change the day it works
07:08 * dcook        takes another look
07:08 dcook          The datepicker has worked well across the board in my tests though
07:08 dcook          I was just about to ask what browser you were using
07:08 dcook          Actually..
07:08 mveron         dcook: I use firefox 14 beta, maybe it is an issue there.
07:07 dcook          Hmm. I think it's a problem on your end then, as it looks like it's working nicely
07:06 alex_a         hello francharb !
07:06 mveron         I think so, I just pulled from master
07:05 dcook          It seems to work fine for me on current master
07:05 dcook          mveron: this is the jquery datepicker?
07:05 rangi          yep, im guessing koala for kohala ?
07:05 alex_a         rangi: what a beautiful koala :)
07:04 mveron         Thanks, dcook
07:03 dcook          I'll take a look at mine mveron
07:03 mveron         Changing the date manually (write directly into the field) works.
07:02 mveron         If I want to change the birthdate of a patron on current master, datepicker does not insert the new date. Known issue? Can anybody confirm?
07:02 rangi          https://twitter.com/27point7/statuses/223657946205261825
07:02 rangi          i dont know :)
07:02 alex_a         rangi: hello ! :)
07:02 wahanui        he is gone again
07:02 alex_a         Who is he ?
07:02 alex_a         rangi: Mathieu Saby ? mmh no
06:59 francharb      0/ rangi dcook
06:59 dcook          morning/afternoon francharb
06:59 rangi          hi francharb
06:59 francharb      good morning #koha
06:59 dcook          It's just funky in Master
06:59 dcook          Yeah, it's all right in the latest 3.8.x
06:56 rangi          have you checked out the latest version of 3.8.x to test?
06:54 dcook          But it shows as link text
06:54 dcook          Well, I don't know if innerhtml is the right term...
06:53 dcook          They seem to have lost "Previous" and "Next" as titles and have them as innerhtml instead
06:53 rangi          i think they have yes
06:52 dcook          I'm getting "Previous" and "Next" showing up over the Previous and Next buttons in the Holds Pull list
06:52 cait           bbiab
06:52 dcook          Does anyone know if the data tables have been updated in Master since 3.8.0?
06:43 cait           yum
06:40 dcook_away     Yum
06:40 rangi          http://www.lacloche.co.nz/  <-- where i am taking the family for lunch tomorrow
06:34 rangi          hi reiveune
06:34 * rangi        will not give up until he understands that photo
06:34 wahanui        privet, reiveune
06:34 reiveune       hello
06:34 rangi          ohh maybe a koala for kohala ?
06:32 rangi          alex_a: do you know Mathieu Saby?
06:29 wahanui        hello, cait
06:29 cait           bonjour
06:28 rangi          bonjour alex_a
06:20 alex_a         bonjour
06:11 mveron         No :-) But it is nice to work a littel bit in the cool morning time
06:10 cait           getting bored already? :)
06:10 mveron         ...but working a little bit...
06:10 * mveron       is still on Sifnos, one more week :-)
06:09 huginn         cait: The operation succeeded.
06:09 cait           @later tell mtj maybe the tweetbot should tweet a link to the tweet too?
06:09 mveron         hi rangi qand cait
06:09 cait           back home?
06:09 cait           hi mveron
06:09 rangi          hi mveron
06:09 mveron         Good morning #koha
06:06 cait           insider joke
06:06 rangi          i need the french people to arrive to explain it to me :)
06:06 cait           I think an insider maybe
06:06 rangi          hmm i dont get that tweet
06:05 rangi          hehe
06:04 cait           i know :) but was waiting if you would tell me the idea was stupid
06:04 rangi          talk to mtj :)
06:02 cait           hm maybe tweetbot should also give the link to the tweet?
06:01 tweetbot`      [off] Twitter: @27point7: "a new friend... #yesIdidit #kohails http://t.co/LHwpPzJO"
06:00 cait           and my edit this morning was 4:55
06:00 cait           hm I mean it seems like they are
06:00 cait           it seens to - last change 5:42
06:00 rangi          i wonder if they are still editing ill fix it when they finish
05:59 cait           mediawiki is still weird to me
05:59 cait           glad it was not me
05:58 rangi          someone has made a page in the category agian
05:58 rangi          http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category:Tips_%26_Tricks/Customising_Notices_and_Slips
05:57 rangi          hmm this doesnt seem right
05:09 rangi          hehe
05:09 cait           yeah, that's true
05:09 wahanui        i already had it that way, huginn.
05:09 huginn         cait: The outlook is poor.
05:09 cait           @eightball it-law homework?
05:08 cait           lol
05:08 huginn         rangi: Naturally.
05:08 rangi          @eightball why dont you work?
05:08 huginn         rangi: (eightball [<question>]) -- Ask a question and the answer shall be provided.
05:08 rangi          @help eightball
05:08 rangi          that does it
05:08 rangi          that was huginn
05:06 wahanui        cait?
05:06 cait           wahanui?
05:06 cait           thought that did work
05:06 cait           hmm
05:06 huginn         cait: No clue.
05:06 cait           @eightball
05:06 cait           hi Amit_Gupta
05:06 Amit_Gupta     heya cait
05:06 huginn         cait: What are you asking me for?
05:06 cait           @eightball should I do my it law homework now?
05:05 cait           using your crystal ball? :)
05:05 dcook          Mmm, I think I might see it..
05:04 dcook          But...so obstinate...can't give up...
05:03 cait           good idea :)
05:02 dcook          I'm going to go grab my lunch :P
05:02 * dcook        gives up for now
05:02 dcook          So that it was going from demo to electronic to demo2
05:01 dcook          Last time, I think I added another layer perhaps
05:01 dcook          Mmm
05:01 dcook          Which means I must've done something different last time..
05:00 dcook          Hmm, this is actually looking OK
04:59 rangi          right
04:59 dcook          But the top box is the most obvious and I know that I don't want to send it to Electronic, so I hit "Cancel transfer"
04:59 dcook          Now, I believe clicking "Confirm hold" will make everything great
04:59 dcook          and "Hold Found. Hold for...Hold at demo. Confirm hold or Ignore"
04:58 dcook          As before, I see two prompts. "Please return to Electronic (Print slip or cancel transfer) for hold ... Confirm"
04:57 dcook          Because it hasn't physically left demo yet, I'm going to check in at demo
04:57 dcook          Now the item says going from demo to electronic for pickup at demo
04:56 dcook          I'll cancel that hold
04:56 dcook          for pickup at electronic
04:56 dcook          So I've got my item going from demo to electronic
04:56 dcook          I'm trying to replicate the issue, but I seem to be doing it a bit differently
04:54 rangi          but not one for that item to the branch you cancelled it for?
04:53 rangi          right
04:53 dcook          from and to the same branch
04:53 dcook          I see a few "wrongtransfer" records
04:50 rangi          hopefully can find out if the transfer was actually cancelled
04:50 rangi          try SELECT * from branchtransfers where itemnumber=whatever
04:50 dcook          branchtransfers?
04:49 dcook          Limited write, but I can select just fine
04:49 dcook          Decent access
04:48 rangi          do you have db access?
04:48 rangi          they can just start a transfer
04:48 dcook          So why would the transfer branch refuse it,  but the item status still say it
04:48 rangi          ie not linked in anyway
04:48 dcook          Yeah, I just realized that
04:48 rangi          the transfers are totally independent of holds
04:48 dcook          You can tell I never do anything with holds, lol
04:48 rangi          the item doesnt need to be
04:47 rangi          hmm?
04:47 dcook          But maybe the item is just not being modded?
04:47 dcook          If it was cancelled, that would explain why the transfer branch wouldn't accept it
04:47 dcook          Or maybe it somewhat worked
04:46 rangi          and choose to cancel it didnt work
04:46 rangi          when you returned it to home
04:46 dcook          Mmm
04:46 rangi          well its not cancelling them
04:46 dcook          As in?
04:45 rangi          so i think its all down to cancelling transfers then
04:45 rangi          right
04:45 dcook          But home branch "thinks" it did
04:45 rangi          cos you can have floating collections and stuff, that never have to return home
04:45 dcook          But it didn't really work
04:44 dcook          When returning it home the first time, we tried to cancel the transfer
04:44 rangi          no, it will be to do with homebranch something something
04:44 dcook          And here's the real problem, I suppose
04:44 dcook          Right
04:44 dcook          Independant Branches maybe?
04:44 rangi          but returning it home doesnt wipe the transfer off?
04:44 rangi          it will be
04:43 dcook          But even if it is...
04:43 dcook          Actually, I had that inkling as well
04:43 dcook          I sure hope so
04:43 rangi          hmm that must be related to a syspref too
04:43 dcook          It said "Cannot check in. Must checkin at home branch"
04:43 rangi          (at the transfer library)
04:43 dcook          In the second case, clicking on the first "transfer to original transfer location" either throws a software error or clears all transfer destinations
04:42 rangi          what happens in the first scenario when you try to check it in?
04:42 dcook          I imagine that there are other scenarios as well, but those are the two that I've noticed so far
04:42 rangi          right
04:42 dcook          In this second case, two prompts appear. One telling you to transfer it to the original transfer location. The second telling you to confirm the hold and second it to the new transfer location.
04:41 dcook          If you cancel a hold or change the pickup location while it's in transit, you have to check it in at the home branch and either (Cancel the transfer to the original transfer) or just confirm the real hold/transfer at the bottom)
04:41 dcook          If an item on hold is in transit to another library and the transfer is cancelled at the home library but the hold remains, the item cannot be checked in at the transfer library...but checking in at the home library does nothing
04:40 rangi          hmm?
04:40 dcook          But cancelling holds on items in transit creates some nasty problems
04:40 rangi          nope
04:40 dcook          We can't stop people from cancelling holds while items are in transit
04:40 dcook          Not sure how to deal with the transit issues...
04:38 druthb         :P
04:38 cait           sleep! :)
04:38 druthb         Already brushed my fangs and am in bed, cait.  :)  just being lazy.
04:37 dcook          Sooo true
04:37 cait           because not having local customizatoins is nice :)
04:37 dcook          ?
04:37 cait           makes it possible to use the packages for us soon
04:37 cait           yep it does :)
04:36 cait           druthb: brush you rteeth and go to bed!
04:36 dcook          Agreed
04:35 rangi          yeah, tracking and getting them into koha makes everyones life easier
04:34 * druthb       perx.  Cookies?
04:34 dcook          For the most part, I think that they're good changes. I just wish that they were tracked better. I suppose that's the whole point of moving to using git for all of our changes
04:34 dcook          Mmm, cookies
04:34 * cait         sends cookies
04:33 rangi          hehe
04:32 * dcook        tears out his own eyes for a bit
04:32 dcook          Yep...looks like we made a lot of changes to the way that holds are handled
04:32 dcook          :p
04:31 cait           but I am not sure it's properly version controlled
04:31 cait           he does
04:31 dcook          I wonder sometimes, rangi, if you have all the koha code in your head :p
04:29 dcook          Cancelling holds in transit also adds another layer of evil...
04:26 * dcook        looks into the prompt
04:26 dcook          It doesn't even return to the "No Holds" screen
04:26 rangi          yep it is
04:25 dcook          But the clearing of the screen is still unusual
04:25 dcook          Maybe
04:25 rangi          maybe it was a patch never submitted?
04:25 rangi          at least i dont remember it
04:25 rangi          right, im not sure koha did
04:25 dcook          Looking at our 3.2 install, it used to have a very nice prompt appear in such a situation
04:24 dcook          Instead of prompting you to confirm the hold for the next person in the queue
04:24 dcook          If there is an item with multiple holds on it, and you cancel a hold, the screen (except the header) is cleared
04:24 dcook          waitingreserves.pl
04:24 dcook          I am intrigued...
04:23 rangi          :)
04:23 rangi          the best is to write a test so that if someone breaks it again, the tests scream at them
04:23 rangi          what is it?
04:23 rangi          thats always a great goal
04:22 dcook          Personally, I'm just trying to restore functionality that was already there :S
04:22 dcook          I can understand. I'm not sure I follow a lot of this
04:22 dcook          Hmm
04:21 cait           I started on one of them but got totally lost :(
04:20 cait           good to hear it's being tested :)
04:19 rangi          thats a merge of them
04:19 rangi          http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/wr76711_bug_5786_5787_5788
04:19 dcook          Yeah, I looked at those
04:19 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5788 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, srdjan, Needs Signoff , Move ReservesMaxPickupDelay system preference to the Circulation Matrix.
04:19 rangi          bug 5788
04:19 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5787 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Patch doesn't apply , Move OPACItemHolds system preference to the Circulation Matrix.
04:19 rangi          bug 5787
04:19 dcook          I'm looking at another one of those issues where it used to work and now it doesn't
04:19 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5786 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, srdjan, Patch doesn't apply , Move AllowOnShelfHolds system preference to the Circulation Matrix
04:19 rangi          bug 5786
04:18 dcook          Most of this looks like enhancements though
04:18 dcook          You're right about there not being much
04:18 dcook          Hmm
04:16 rangi          5609 but not a lot to see there
04:16 rangi          papa is who you wnat to talk to about it
04:15 wahanui        hmmm... the bug # is there
04:15 dcook          What's the bug #?
04:15 * dcook        drools
04:15 rangi          yep
04:15 dcook          For holds?
04:15 rangi          its being tested at the moment
04:14 rangi          theres a big rewrite in the works
04:13 dcook          Damn...if only I were so lucky :p
04:09 dcook          It would save me the headache of trying to puzzle them all out
04:09 dcook          Actually, I wouldn't mind that so much
04:08 rangi          heh
04:07 * dcook        feels that his day may become invalidated shortly
04:07 dcook          I've actually been finding several bugs dealing with holds all day, but now that I think about it...I've been looking at 3.8.0, so they might already be fixed
04:06 dcook          I just added another :p
04:06 rangi          just a few :)
04:04 dcook          Just a few e-mails, eh?
03:57 cait           wow
03:53 rangi          and sent 242
03:53 rangi          i received 4053 emails to my bigballofwax address
03:53 rangi          from 13/6/2012 to 10/7/2012
03:52 rangi          according to my stats
03:52 cait           :)
03:52 rangi          that was jcamins_away idea
03:52 rangi          next feature is 3 newest developers
03:51 cait           that's nice too, it's growing
03:50 cait           long listof sign-offers now
03:50 cait           rangi++
03:50 cait           nice!
03:50 rangi          cait: i added important dates to the dashboard
03:49 cait           h rangi :)
03:49 rangi          hi cait
03:48 cait           good morning #koha
03:40 Amit_Gupta     heya bag
02:47 tweetbot`      [off] Twitter: @ranginui: "#kohails dashboard now showing more information including the 5 newest features added http://t.co/NPeDHjf7"
02:41 Shane-S        hopefully the package install is simple
02:40 Shane-S        night
02:40 Shane-S        I had linked to a few documents that were not clear on the package installtions and I think wizzyrea mentioned removing outdated docs
02:40 rangi          sleep well
02:40 * jcamins      smiles beneficently at his computer, now testing two releases, and goes to sleep.
02:39 mib_1xu6wg     oh yeah I plan on packages for the production system
02:39 jcamins        Packages all the way.
02:39 jcamins        No question.
02:39 rangi          id definitely use the pacakges
02:39 mib_1xu6wg     there are doing asbestos abatement, entire building is down
02:39 jcamins        Actually, I seem to remember talking to you. :)
02:38 jcamins        Oh my.
02:38 mib_1xu6wg     I downloaded VMware converter tool. Hopefully construction is done soon and I can do this all @ work, but for now I was looking at "options" if I still can;t get in my server room
02:37 jcamins        You need to use a certain type of disk image.
02:37 mib_1xu6wg     I just my new server in and I am using Vmware ESXi on it, so I am hoping I can building a system in VirtualBox and transfer it in
02:37 jcamins        Awesome! You'll get the hang of git in no time. :)
02:36 mib_1xu6wg     okay I played with 3.6.4 I believe a while back you all helped me get a working system, I submitted a few failed patches, and even tried to learn git...
02:36 jcamins        Awesome!
02:36 jcamins        Ooh, 8301 was pushed?
02:36 rangi          yeah its good eh
02:36 rangi          :)
02:35 jcamins        Ooh, I like the "New features recently pushed."
02:35 jcamins        mib_1xu6wg: 3.8.2 would be a good choice, then.
02:35 jcamins        rangi: BTW, tell me that command line wasn't profoundly awesome.
02:35 mib_1xu6wg     no fines, its a school they hold report cards hostage :P
02:34 rangi          hehe snap :)
02:34 jcamins        Hmmm... you probably don't use fines too much, do you?
02:34 rangi          you do fines?
02:34 jcamins        :D
02:34 mib_1xu6wg     Window is to have it running in production by end of August to replace Follet Circ/Cat
02:34 jcamins        You just change "oldstable" in your /etc/apt/sources.list to "stable" and run: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade koha-common
02:33 jcamins        Very easy.
02:33 jcamins        (currently the big problems with 3.8.x are all to do with fines)
02:33 mib_1xu6wg     is the transisition to the next version hard? say we use 3.6.6 but I try 3.8.X and it has stuff we want, nice upgrade script, or it is a rip and replace type install?
02:32 jcamins        3.8.3 will be about in two weeks or so, and it will be even more stable.
02:32 jcamins        If you won't be going live for a while, I'd go with 3.8.2.
02:32 jcamins        mib_1xu6wg: 3.6.6 is rather more mature and stable. 3.8.2 has a lot of cool new features.
02:31 mib_1xu6wg     anyone have a link to the difference between 3.6.6 and 3.8.2? or can say which would be better to "start" with for a new system for a library?
02:31 jcamins        :D
02:31 jcamins        ~/release-tools/release-tool.pl -v --push=kc-rmaint:3.6.x && git checkout 3.6-testing && ~/release-tools/release-tool.pl -v --push=kc-rmaint:3.6.x-rmaint/testing
02:29 jcamins        Yup.
02:29 rangi          release on 22?
02:29 rangi          cool
02:29 jcamins        Yup.
02:29 rangi          string freeze on the 15th?
02:28 rangi          when are you planning 3.6.7 ?
02:16 rangi          lemme get a coffee and ill get right on that
02:15 rangi          ohhh that too :)
02:15 jcamins        I thought you meant "newest developers."
02:15 jcamins        That too.
02:15 rangi          days until string freeze
02:14 jcamins        Yes!
02:14 rangi          a new thing for the dashboard
02:14 rangi          oh
02:13 rangi          and meetings
02:13 jcamins        Guess there's a good reason not to.
02:13 rangi          i think i used to tag the developer ones too
02:13 * jcamins      keeps on meaning to send in a patch to fix that, since it looks like it just says "released releases"
02:12 rangi          some might have the releases bit missing, but we can fix that easily enough ;)
02:11 rangi          yeah to stop that :0
02:11 jcamins        I just wrote a crazy regular expression to get me that information.
02:11 jcamins        That's excellent.
02:11 rangi          the idea is you can slurp the file in, find all the release notices for a nice timeline
02:11 jcamins        Got it.
02:11 jcamins        Ohh.
02:11 rangi          releases is the type
02:10 rangi          that i keep fixing the tabs on
02:10 rangi          its a tab separated file
02:10 jcamins        What is with the "released releases" thing in docs/history.txt?
02:09 rangi          but maybe not this close to eol .. the timebomb is unlikely to explode in the next few months :)
02:08 rangi          so id pull those ones in, even if not the 7941
02:08 rangi          the nice thing it did, was throw up that we had hardcoded madness
02:07 rangi          yep, id leave it for 3.6
02:06 jcamins        Right, but when choosing things to go to 3.6.x, that seems non-essential, and is known to break things.
02:05 rangi          not really, the hardcoded numbers in the other files caused the mess, once thats pushed it will be fine
02:04 * jcamins      gives it a miss.
02:04 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7941 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Stable , Fix version numbers in modules and set up a system to keep them up to date
02:04 jcamins        Bug 7941 caused all sorts of problems, didn't it?
02:01 ago43          cool.  thanks!
02:01 rangi          yeah, 114 points to bad config usually
02:00 jcamins        The config is still wrong.
02:00 jcamins        No point.
02:00 jcamins        ago43: you need to update the zebra config.
02:00 ago43          should I abort the process, and re-index with the back-ups I made before starting the authorities import?
01:59 ago43          I only imported 100 authorities, but I've gotten many hundreds of these errors.
01:59 ago43          Hi, after importing some authorities via bulkauthimport.pl, I ran link_bibs_to authorities.pl and got tons of the following errors: Auth error: Unsupported Use attribute (114) Match-heading Bib-1
01:55 rangi          *nod*
01:53 jcamins        I'd just like to have had a 3.6.x patch for 3.6.7.
01:52 rangi          sweet
01:52 jcamins        I did, yes.
01:52 rangi          if they dont apply clean
01:52 rangi          did you update it askign for a 3.6.x patch? i do that with 3.8.x ones
01:51 jcamins        I just tried my hand at resolving it, but I don't think that'll be going into 3.6.7.
01:50 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8062 critical, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Stable , Cart email broken for non english templates
01:50 jcamins        Well, there was no 3.6.x patch for bug 8062.
01:45 rangi          ahh
01:45 jcamins        cherry-picking.
01:43 rangi          hmm?
01:42 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6931 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , hardcoded insert incompatible with UNIMARC
01:42 jcamins        bug 6931
01:41 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7726 trivial, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , AllowItemsOnHoldCheckout has columns in wrong order in sysprefs.sql
01:41 jcamins        bug 7726
01:08 jcamins        The format-patch was a step in the right direction.
01:07 jcamins        Figured it out eventually.
01:07 jcamins        Ha!
00:53 rangi          :)
00:52 jcamins        Well, it shouldn't be too dangerous... 3.6.x and 3.6-testing have so far diverged... not at all.
00:51 rangi          the patch will at least give you a chance to fix the conflicts
00:51 rangi          yeah too dangerous
00:51 jcamins        Bad idea.
00:51 jcamins        I tried the xargs one.
00:50 rangi          git format-patch --full-index --binary --stdout range
00:50 rangi          also the format-patch idea has merit
00:50 rangi          yeah try that
00:50 jcamins        Maybe they meant the one that comes first has to be *newer*.
00:49 jcamins        I know because I've been trying that over and over and over.
00:49 jcamins        I have git 1.7.2.5, and it definitely does not cherry-pick more than one commit.
00:49 rangi          ah yep, new git :)
00:48 jcamins        http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1670970/how-to-cherry-pick-multiple-commits
00:47 jcamins        Probably me.
00:47 rangi          i cant remember the answer
00:47 jcamins        I *don't* want to merge in the other branch, because there are some patches I don't want.
00:47 rangi          i know someone has asked this before
00:47 jcamins        Is there any way to cherry-pick more than one commit at a time?
00:45 rangi          i didnt realise anthony mao had so many libraries
00:44 rangi          ohh cool
00:02 rangi          i like it
00:02 mtj            yes paul, do it!, do it!
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