Time  Nick         Message
23:55 bag          heh
23:52 mtj          oh god, who's stupid idea was that tweetbot...
23:43 tweetbot`    [off] Twitter: @arwenamin: "@paulcnielsen @gtsilvia77 there's a research project on #kohails?"
23:43 tweetbot`    [off] Twitter: @paulcnielsen: "@ranginui @gtsilvia77 yep, what i said too. Wassup kiwi #kohails librarians?"
23:42 drojf        but better not now. good night
23:40 drojf        "Play Zork on the Raspberry Pi" \o/
23:35 rangi        slackers!
23:34 tweetbot`    [off] Twitter: @paulcnielsen: "Just had a great interview with @gtsilvia77 for her #kohails reserach project. But I was only kiwi responding :("
23:30 rangi        could do that, fork and pull request on github
23:19 wahanui      i guess pull request is better, for a big patch like that
23:19 jcamins      pull request?
23:18 drojf        rangi: yes i was wondering how he would make ll cherrypick exactly THIS
23:14 rangi        yup
23:13 drojf        aaaand… i was right
23:13 drojf        (22:55:37) drojf: i can imagine one
23:13 drojf        (22:55:35) drojf: hm
23:13 drojf        (22:55:34) drojf: "There are even Koha consortia which are charging their librarians multi-thousand dollar extraction fees just to get their own data out!"
23:12 mustard      It's 1800 and I need a big hamburger.  Everyone have a pleasant day...
23:10 * jcamins    should have known.
23:10 jcamins      Ahhh.
23:10 rangi        and we have come to the crux of the issue
23:10 mustard      I did read part of the bug, but didn't go into the history
23:09 rangi        he's not running anywhere, the discussion has been channelled into productive activity
23:09 mustard      ah, it's over...
23:09 huginn       04Bug 6891: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , LDIF interoperability - a proposal
23:09 rangi        http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6891#c20
23:09 mtj          mustard: i highly recommend reading the bug to assuage your stewage
23:09 rangi        specifically
23:07 jcamins      Version 5.
23:07 jcamins      Ohhhh.
23:07 rangi        [off] liblime academic koha 5
23:06 jcamins      I'm so confused.
23:06 jcamins      rangi: a what? Huh?
23:06 rangi        but it doesnt have to be an occupation
23:06 rangi        i know devils advocate is fun and all
23:06 rangi        i suggest actually reading the bug might help
23:06 rangi        who even metaphorically did that?
23:05 rangi        jcamins: a non release release announcement from non releases
23:05 mustard      well, we are talking metaphorically I hope....
23:05 jcamins      rangi: I thought he drove a car into a wall or something?
23:05 rangi        who killed the salesman?
23:04 mustard      cutting off your ear to spite your nose or something
23:04 jcamins      Version 5?
23:04 mustard      but it would be nice to keep the objective and possible benefits in mind, you know, what's that American saying...
23:04 rangi        ohh version 5
23:03 mustard      accept
23:03 rangi        theres your problem right there
23:03 mustard      and I didn't, admittedly
23:03 mtj          he could also make a great start by publishing their existing ldif->apollo converter code
23:03 rangi        if you read the history of the bug
23:03 rangi        well people spent a bunch of time helping with the spec and fixing the xml
23:02 jcamins      Well, yeah.
23:02 mustard      [off]he's probably running like h* in the opposite direction
23:02 drojf        …and staff access to apollo
23:01 jcamins      I do genuinely hope that he'll provide a patch.
23:01 mustard      Ok, but in killing the salesman it appears to kill the idea, which might have merit
23:00 jcamins      mustard: it *is* a great idea. The problem is he's sold it... badly.
23:00 mustard      patches to tor or the reaming tool? anyway
23:00 mustard      Oh, to be clear, the reaming tool from S., not our migrating vendor
22:59 mtj          mustard:  i love your idea!, patches welcome...
22:59 mustard      2. we almost got the great reaming tool applied to us when we migrated to Koha from S.
22:59 mustard      I could be ketchup and you'd never know
22:58 drojf        then you are the one tor user :P
22:58 jcamins      mustard: ooh, clever.
22:58 mustard      jcamins: you can route irc over tor
22:58 mustard      1. There are more migrations from other ILSs to Koha than the reverse. Having a standard data export format would eventually benefit Koha at the expense of everybody else
22:57 jcamins      mustard: but you always sign in from the same IP. :P
22:57 jcamins      lol
22:57 mustard      I can always come up with a new nick I suppose...
22:57 mustard      OK, I've been sitting here stewing. At the risk of suffering great persecution I'll take the flip side of the coin for argument...
22:53 jcamins      [off] I thought asking for staff access to a demo was kind of a nice touch.
22:53 libsysguy    developers will work for food not karma
22:50 mtj          ... the bug needs a  "wow, great idea!. patches welcome, bye ..."  reply
22:48 rangi        hehe
22:48 jcamins      I'm helping!!!!!
22:40 mtj          nah, he understands just fine
22:38 rangi        [off] yeah, either that or he really doesnt get it
22:37 jcamins      [off] I actually did understand, in case that was unclear.
22:37 mtj          [off] that Biblionix guy must think we are idiots... :/
22:27 jcamins      [off] Oh drat, did I miss the point of what he was saying? Oops. Too late now.
21:16 rangi        comebacks they always get better after the fact :)
21:16 rangi        thats what i shoulda said
21:16 wizzyrea     hehehehe
21:16 rangi        send a patch yo
21:15 rangi        :)
21:13 wizzyrea     erm… well… yea, that's fine yo.
21:13 drojf        yes
21:13 wizzyrea     "please make it easier for me to convert your db"
21:13 drojf        and that coming from the guy with the closed system. hard to take that seriously
21:10 rangi        imho
21:10 rangi        which means that coming in saying "If your goal is truly opennes .." makes you a bit of a prick
21:09 rangi        i mean robin did spend a bunch of time helping him with his schema earlier
21:08 drojf        not for me it wasn't
21:08 rangi        my comment wasnt too harsh eh?
21:08 rangi        :-)
21:07 drojf        rangi: but it's not truly open if it is not in the format that makes import in his closed system easiest for him ;)
21:06 rangi        i should have put that in a link to the biblionix dude
21:06 trea         YAY
21:06 wizzyrea     YAY
21:06 wizzyrea     gotya
21:06 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8268 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Koha should offer way to backup entire db
21:06 rangi        yay bug 8268
21:06 rangi        it just checks this is issued to someone, and it should have been returned by now
21:05 rangi        so doesnt check if its lost, or missing, or whatever
21:05 rangi        it doesnt look at the item any closer than that
21:05 rangi        overdues looks purely at what is out
21:05 rangi        then you will still get overdues
21:05 rangi        yeah
21:05 wizzyrea     missing leaves it on the account
21:05 rangi        no idea
21:05 wizzyrea     what about missing?
21:05 * rangi      does a quick reply to that bug report
21:03 wizzyrea     ohhh right
21:03 rangi        and they get charged for it
21:03 rangi        because it returns it off the persons card
21:03 rangi        it does
21:02 drojf        i don't know. but it would make sense if it did.
21:01 wizzyrea     before*
21:01 wizzyrea     I admit I've never heard this question befoer
21:00 wizzyrea     does anyone know - does marking an item lost stop the overdue messages?
20:58 drojf        i can imagine one
20:58 drojf        hm
20:58 drojf        "There are even Koha consortia which are charging their librarians multi-thousand dollar extraction fees just to get their own data out!"
20:57 rangi        if you dont control the code, you control NOTHING
20:57 rangi        ask anyone who develops for twitter
20:57 rangi        as are open api
20:57 rangi        open data is a fraud
20:56 rangi        yeah
20:56 drojf        which is like the third sentence
20:56 drojf        i stopped at "We're not open-source, but we do strongly believe in open interchange: library data belongs to libraries, and shouldn't be used as a hostage to keep libraries chained to their automation systems."
20:55 rangi        if you were truly about openness, release the source code for that
20:54 rangi        dude you work for a company that makes a proprietary ILS
20:54 rangi        If your goal is truly ILS openness and vendor independence, let's work together and make LDIF interoperability a reality!
20:54 huginn       04Bug 6891: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , LDIF interoperability - a proposal
20:54 rangi        http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6891#c13
20:54 wizzyrea     O.o
20:53 rangi        way to not make me want to work on your project
20:53 rangi        wow
20:45 drojf        yes
20:45 wizzyrea     and just show the list
20:45 wizzyrea     I actually probably just need to get rid of "more searches"
20:44 drojf        but it's there so there is no need to click that anyway
20:43 wizzyrea     I haven't figured out how to fix it yet
20:43 drojf        ok
20:43 wizzyrea     on initial page load
20:43 wizzyrea     yep it's a side effect of trying to force it not to be in a drop down.
20:42 drojf        like a third of it is out of that box on the left side
20:42 drojf        when i open the link its all ok, i see the list. when i click in more searches, the list vanishes. when i click it again, it reappears but is too much left and a little to much up
20:40 wizzyrea     define "crazy"
20:40 drojf        that more searches link list goes crazy when i click on "more searches"
20:39 rangi        yup
20:39 wizzyrea     not perfect, but still decent
20:39 rangi        cool
20:37 wizzyrea     under more searches
20:37 wizzyrea     click "read reviews on this title"
20:36 wizzyrea     for example: http://catalog-test.nexpresslibrary.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=470483
20:34 * wizzyrea   is not a sadist
20:33 wizzyrea     heh
20:33 drojf        you could make dpavlin scrape the whole thing ;)
20:31 wizzyrea     that could work.
20:31 wizzyrea     link to reviews based on a search
20:31 wizzyrea     oh, but you could do something with the related links though
20:29 wizzyrea     there, done pestered.
20:27 rangi        yes you should :)
20:27 * wizzyrea   pesters
20:26 wizzyrea     we should pester them for one :P
20:26 wizzyrea     sadly, it doesn't look like it >.<
20:26 rangi        does it have an api?
20:26 wizzyrea     also, I really love that UI
20:24 wizzyrea     mornin
20:24 rangi        morning
20:24 wizzyrea     it would be awesome to integrate this with koha somehow: http://idreambooks.com/
20:16 sekjal       exit
19:42 bag          thanks jcamins_away
19:19 wizzyrea     cool thx :)
19:19 jwagner      wizzyrea, it's hardcoded in memberentry.pl
19:18 wizzyrea     I thought it was hardcoded to first.last.
19:18 wizzyrea     whether that's a field from borrowers or a combo thereof
19:17 wizzyrea     right, that's exactly what I mean - there's no syspref to say "Use xxxxxx as the default username for new patrons"
19:17 oleonard     I don't know of a configuration option if that's what you mean wizzyrea
19:13 wizzyrea     is that right?
19:13 wizzyrea     it's always first.last
19:12 wizzyrea     you can't change the default username for new users, right?
17:32 sv           how to export biblio from koha 2.0.0 in Marc Format
17:09 cait         yeah, it owuld be good to update it to reflect what is there and what is missing
17:09 jcamins      I update RFCs as I find that my plans changed.
17:09 jcamins      maximep: the latter, I think.
17:09 maximep      are RFCs just plan before doing the work or should http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Hourly_Loans_RFC be updated with what was done and what is left to do ?
17:07 maximep      no need, i'm doing fine =)
17:07 jcamins      And my legs (can't cross my toes as they're too short;).
17:06 jcamins      maximep: my fingers are crossed for you as well.
17:05 cait         :)
17:05 maximep      I already started to share our code as we rebase it for 3.8
17:05 cait         maximep: fingers crossed
17:04 maximep      he knows
17:04 jcamins      maximep: maybe if you point out to them that if they let you release it, they wouldn't be paying you to do all the work over?
17:03 maximep      we'll see what the client wants to do, but id really like to share that part
17:02 maximep      yes we do have business_hours that are configurable in calendar/holiday page.
17:02 jcamins      I missed my chance to talk to clrh.
17:02 jcamins      Oh, drat.
17:01 jcamins      186k.
17:01 jcamins      Nope.
17:00 jcamins      And there are... uhhh...
17:00 cait         hopefullly not my testing data?
17:00 cait         if you already have the interface part, maybe you could try to contribute that part? (how to store them etc.)
17:00 jcamins      I think every single record in this authority file is a duplicate.
17:00 jcamins      Good grief.
17:00 cait         I think it would be a great addition - opening hours
17:00 cait         but I think it wasn't implemented so far
17:00 cait         maximep: it was in the spec initially
16:59 cait         bye paul_p
16:59 * paul_p     leaves, with 22 mails to deal within inbox. Usually that's 40-50, so, it's a good day. Bye & see you tomorrow #koha
16:59 jcamins      I'm not 100% sure, but I think it does.
16:58 maximep      if it really sets the due date in 4 hours in all cases, this is a major flaw :S
16:57 maximep      hmmm so I wonder how the fines are calculated
16:57 jcamins      maximep: it's due on the middle of the night, which is an issue.
16:57 maximep      forgot we also added this :/
16:57 maximep      what happens if you checkout something 1 hour before the library close and the loan period is set to 4 hours ? Hmmm is there closing hours in 3.8 ?
16:56 jcamins      Wait, these are old failures.
16:55 jcamins      Speak of the devil.
16:55 jcamins      As will Duncan and rangi.
16:54 jcamins      Oh no! If the TTParser test breaks again, I'll get e-mails!
16:54 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8268 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Koha should offer way to backup entire db
16:54 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5327 major, P3, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Unit tests required for all C4 modules
16:54 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8268 follow-up: incorporate QA comments
16:54 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8268: Add database dump to export tool
16:54 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 5327 : Follow up for TTParser test
16:54 jenkins_koha * duncan: Added coverage to unit test for TTParser
16:54 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8203 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Should be possible to save individual authorities
16:54 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8203 follow-up: fix MARCXML export for UNIMARC
16:54 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8203 follow-up: QA fixes
16:54 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8203: Add ability to save individual authorities
16:54 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #782: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 4 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/782/
16:39 * cait       waves
16:34 SJeffery     oleonard: yes, yes we are *evil/crazy laugh*
16:33 tweetbot`    [off] Twitter: @27point7: "very interesting debate about the rythm & methodology of koha development http://t.co/liZHVMLJ #kohails #fb"
16:32 oleonard     The infinite escalation inherent in that rule implies that libraries are doing some really crazy stuff
16:31 jcamins      That would mean "yes."
16:31 jcamins      Hmmm...
16:31 huginn       jcamins: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
16:31 jcamins      @quote get 123
16:31 * oleonard   wonders if other libraries have rules about what collection codes can be used with certain item types
16:28 wizzyrea     take that!
16:28 huginn       wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #209 added.
16:28 wizzyrea     @quote add New Koha tagline: "More magic than you're used to!"
16:27 huginn       wizzyrea: Quote #23: "<gmcharlt> /msg huginn register nick password" (added by wizzyrea_ at 04:25 PM, August 06, 2009)
16:27 wizzyrea     @quote get 23
16:27 wizzyrea     bother.
16:27 huginn       wizzyrea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
16:27 wizzyrea     @quote add New Koha tagline: "More magic than you're used to!"
16:25 maximep      haha
16:25 oleonard     New Koha tagline: "More magic than you're used to!"
16:21 maximep      a bit more magic than what i'm used to
16:21 maximep      aaaaaah, ok, I now understand. Took me a while :S
16:20 jcamins      rhcl++
16:19 wizzyrea     maximep*
16:19 wizzyrea     go ahead and ask maxime
16:18 reiveune     bye
16:16 maximep      well i was going to ask a followup question :S
16:15 jcamins      oleonard: yup.
16:14 nengard      just the way you do for daily loans
16:14 oleonard     Making a smoothie jcamins?
16:14 nengard      maximep you don't set the due date at all - just scan the barcode and submit
16:14 jcamins      oleonard: that, too.
16:13 oleonard     And they're hard to type on after they've been through the blender.
16:11 jcamins      The seeds refuse to be blended by the immersion blender.
16:11 jcamins      You know what the problem with blackberries is?
16:11 maximep      hmmm so I set today as the due date
16:10 wizzyrea     yea, ez pz
16:10 nengard      just check it out and the rule should make it due in X number of hours
16:09 nengard      jcamins is right
16:09 jcamins      maximep: I actually haven't used hourly loans at all, but I think if your circulation rule is set, you just check the item out the usual way.
16:08 jcamins      maximep: if you create a new circulation rule, you can choose to do it in hours instead of days.
16:08 maximep      then how do I checkout with a due date in hours ?
16:08 maximep      ok, just set a circulation rule in hours as the unit
16:07 jcamins      *not to say
16:07 * jcamins    tries to to say "told you so."
16:06 wizzyrea     you use the circulation rules
16:06 maximep      still haven't figured out how the one in 3.8 works :S
16:06 maximep      since 3.2
16:06 maximep      yes
16:05 jcamins      maximep: you have a custom hourly loans system?
16:03 wizzyrea     aw
15:59 kf           :(
15:59 maximep      seriously fml. It will take so many hours to switch from our hourly loan system to this one :/
15:50 jenkins_koha Starting build #782 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 8 days 0 hr ago)
15:49 maximep      ah, http://schema.koha-community.org/
15:49 maximep      forgot the name :S
15:49 maximep      our database is a progably a complete mess. There is a database structure site somewhere where I could compare ?
15:48 maximep      :(
15:47 kf           sorry, i haven't tested them yet really :(
15:45 maximep      I must be missing something :S
15:45 maximep      is there any tutorial/guide on how they work ?
15:45 wizzyrea     yep
15:44 maximep      hourly loans are in 3.8.2, right ?
15:43 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8268 follow-up: incorporate QA comments <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8affddc52db84d0da95b5460fbe8d2a1a1e34942> / Bug 8268: Add database dump to export tool <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bbcb1d784b38d129a5fa41aa9f3dc7b798c25c9c> / Bug 5327 : Follow up for TTParser test <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3f12a40af69f461098
15:43 Morthland    I will try the method you linked to me
15:38 eythian      need to finish that
15:38 eythian      yeah
15:38 kf           yep, and asked if you also did the account mail, because that's the only one we don't want to go there, or at least not without anonymizing it (passwords)
15:38 eythian      ah yes, I was writing a patch to make them do that actually
15:38 kf           ah, oleonard was faster :)
15:37 kf           eythian: they do not
15:37 Morthland    So then, that email wont work
15:37 oleonard     carts don't go through the message queue
15:37 Morthland    I define my username in that script
15:37 Morthland    I think that using the method I am now with nullmailer,
15:36 eythian      I can't remember if carts go through that or not.
15:36 eythian      probably
15:36 Morthland    then do I have to run process_message_queue?
15:35 eythian      yeah
15:35 eythian      set an account to get notified when things are checked out, and check out books.
15:34 Morthland    Using the Opac?
15:34 eythian      send a cart to yourself, or something like that.
15:34 Morthland    I just don't know how to test.
15:34 Morthland    How can I trigger Koha to send an email?
15:33 eythian      Koha doesn't use an SMTP server, it just uses the server's local mail system, and that passes it along.
15:32 eythian      http://blog.jonloh.net/11/04/2010/postfix-gmail-smtp-relay-ubuntu <-- Morthland
15:32 Morthland    I need some help configuring Koha to send emails via gmail.
15:31 Morthland    Hey,
15:18 eythian      bye!
15:18 gaetan_B     bye !
14:55 eythian      http://www.cakewrecks.com/storage/thumbnails/10710906-19236560-thumbnail.jpg
13:22 jcamins      eythian: yay!
13:22 jcamins      Agreed.
13:22 eythian      :D
13:22 eythian      > libhtml-template-pro-perl was installed automatically;  it is being removed because all of the packages which depend upon it are being removed
13:22 marcelr      marc unimarc grs dom etc.
13:21 marcelr      now we have too much options
13:21 marcelr      if we get rid of grs, it will become at least easier again
13:21 jcamins      Sure.
13:20 marcelr      jcamins: we/you could raise the point on dev list ?
13:19 jcamins      Hehe.
13:19 marcelr      ;)
13:19 marcelr      no
13:18 eythian      I think you mean "<span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span>", marcelr
13:18 marcelr      :)
13:18 marcelr      ok see it now
13:18 jcamins      It's easy to miss, but if you go to the authority search, it says "($a only)"
13:18 jcamins      No, actually in the interface.
13:18 jcamins      I think maybe it has to do with UNIMARC?
13:18 marcelr      in the manual?
13:17 jcamins      It's well documented in the interface that that's how it works, though.
13:16 jcamins      I don't know.
13:16 marcelr      what is the use of staff using Heading-Main ? why not Heading?
13:15 jcamins      I don't think so, because the staff client defaults to not searching subfields.
13:13 marcelr      was that the point staff looking in subfields and public not or so?
13:13 jcamins      Heading = main entry, can search subfields (1xx)
13:12 jcamins      Heading-main = main entry, can't search subfields (1xx $a)
13:12 eythian      I have webdings, but in that it's a small desert island
13:12 kf           anyway, it's weird it replaces it with wingdings in the first place.
13:12 kf           ah, then it' because you don't have wingdings?
13:11 eythian      I probably don't have wingdings
13:11 jcamins      Match/match-heading = all heading forms (in MARC21, 1xx, 4xx, and 5xx)
13:11 eythian      <span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span>
13:11 eythian      there is also a text part
13:11 eythian      I think I'm viewing it in HTML
13:11 jcamins      Any = real keyword
13:10 kf1          annoying.
13:10 kf1          jcamins: I guess so
13:10 marcelr      jcamins: if you look at my questions, i was also wondering if some of these indexes are actually used..
13:09 jcamins      kf1: is that why so many people end their e-mails with J!
13:09 kf1          I forgot to tell it to send as text - sorry!
13:09 kf1          like this
13:09 kf1          :)
13:09 kf1          it's a smiley
13:09 eythian      e.g.: "...I only think we should stop it from happening in the first place J"
13:09 kf1          because oulook is stupid
13:09 eythian      kf1: why do your emails end with 'J'?
13:08 marcelr      if we now add corresponding indexes, we add functionality (back) and harm nobody?
13:07 jcamins      (rangi and hdl might too, but I don't think many of the people who wrote the original indexing are still working on Koha)
13:06 jcamins      No, but he's one of the only people still around who would remember why it was necessary to have different sets of indexes.
13:05 marcelr      did he disagree ? is there a unimarc problem involved?
13:04 jcamins      However, I'm happy to do a follow-up that changes the indexes, so that if paul_p disagrees, he can just not push the follow-up.
13:03 marcelr      well, i try a search too
13:02 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, RESOLVED FIXED, Authority matching algorithm improvements
13:02 jcamins      I'm not coming across it now, but I remember seeing it when I was working on bug 7284.
13:02 jcamins      Hm.
12:58 jcamins      Let me see if I can find it.
12:58 marcelr      ok, i should look that up
12:58 jcamins      I don't think we should, but the git log had indistinct notes about needing separate indexes for the OPAC, as I recall.
12:57 marcelr      well, why should we have them different?
12:57 jcamins      marcelr: I mean, you'd consider that evidence that the alternate indexes can be replaced by the "normal" indexes?
12:57 marcelr      but i think that opac and staff could be the same
12:56 marcelr      jcamins: no i would have liked to keep them
12:56 jcamins      Hm.
12:55 kf1          I don't see why it should be different
12:55 jcamins      marcelr: you'd consider that evidence that the alternate indexes are no longer wanted? :)
12:55 kf1          I tend to agree with marcel
12:53 marcelr      jcamins: some time ago these searches were dropped; do not know where that came from
12:53 eythian      It'll take about 10 minutes to redo with the right one, so not a big issue
12:53 jcamins      Oh. Hm.
12:52 eythian      jcamins: no, I loaded a 3.4 into a 3.8 schema
12:52 jcamins      eythian: it'll just upgrade
12:52 eythian      easy to fix at least
12:52 eythian      ...and just realised I'd loaded the wrong schema version. Surprised that didn't explode on me.
12:52 jcamins      The reason I did not change it from the start is that clearly someone disagreed, since a great deal of code went into making it inconsistent.
12:51 jcamins      marcelr: my personal opinion has always been that authority search in the OPAC was wrong, and should match the functioning search on the Intranet.
12:49 marcelr      jcamins: what about your report on opac auth search?
12:49 jcamins      Good morning.
12:48 eythian      but it requires dropping everything and reloading the fixed database in.
12:48 marcelr      hi jcamins
12:48 eythian      fixing the MyISAM issue I was having.
12:48 jcamins      Yikes!
12:47 * eythian    prepares to delete a production database, having taken about 20 backups first...
12:37 eythian      yeah
12:37 jcamins      eythian: it does an end run around all error checkign... suitable for migrations, not for regular use.
12:34 eythian      I consider it my most used script :)
12:34 jcamins      bulkmarcimport is considered harmful.
12:34 jcamins      If you import using the stage MARC tool, it will link.
12:34 jcamins      It depends.
12:33 nengard      what about after importing marc?
12:32 jcamins      nengard: you have to run the linker manually after importing authority records.
12:13 eythian      http://media.jehaisleprintemps.net/talks/baguetteonsnails/ <-- paul_p_
12:10 nengard      will do
12:10 nengard      well I'm hoping not for the marc import :)
12:10 kf           yu might want to wait for jared's answer about that
12:09 kf           I am not sure for the staged marc import
12:09 kf           hm
12:09 nengard      hi Amit
12:09 nengard      of marc records
12:09 nengard      so that means that we have to run it for them after every import
12:09 nengard      regular users can't manually run the linker
12:09 Amit_Gupta   heya nengard
12:08 nengard      so ?.. now i have an enhancement request / problem
12:08 nengard      okey dokey
12:08 kf           yes
12:08 nengard      yes I have to run the linker after doing imports?
12:08 * eythian    begins a 3.4->3.8 upgrade.
12:08 kf           knowing jared it's probably in the documentation somewhere too
12:07 eythian      nengard: when doing it from the command line, I think that is the case. I'm not sure about the web interface, but probably.
12:07 kf           nengard: yes
12:06 huginn       nengard: The operation succeeded.
12:06 nengard      @later tell jcamins does the new authority linker run when you import authorities via the command line and/or when you batch import marc records - basically, I'm asking if we need to run the linker manually after doing an authority or marc record import
12:04 * oleonard   sees tweetbot` is back. New and improved?
11:42 drojf        LO says it would show them, but i don't see anything so i suppose it's not used by the person that sent it
11:40 eythian      (LO can work with these, I've done it before)
11:40 eythian      drojf: if change tracking is on you can see them
11:40 drojf        [off] can i make diffs of doc files? i hate it when people send me "updates" of stuff but don't indicate what the updates are. maybe i just copy it in a text file
11:38 drojf        yeah, you better really stay in southern parts of germany then too
11:38 eythian      it's OK, paul_p has promised me good weather in Marseille :)
11:38 drojf        from inside it's nice :)
11:38 eythian      ah, fun
11:37 drojf        eythian: we had that almost every day now, for two weeks or something
11:36 drojf        hi Amit_Gupta
11:36 eythian      hello Amit_Gupta
11:36 Amit_Gupta   heya eythian, drojf
11:35 eythian      yeah, we had that yesterday
11:35 drojf        more thunderstorm coming up. interesting summer again this year
11:19 kf           lol
11:18 kf           vg-? :)
11:18 drojf        who knows, after france… "eythian, vg-, stains of cheese and pastis on the cover" :D
11:15 kf           ;)
11:15 kf           drojf: I really hope he will be in good condition still...
11:15 kf           drojf: more like third hand eythian....
11:14 drojf1       heh
11:14 eythian      naw, just going foster home to foster home :)
11:14 drojf1       kf: second hand eythian?
10:41 kf           paul_p: take good care of eythian - I will get him after you ;)
10:41 * kf_mtg     waves
10:25 rangi        hmm no jonathan eh?
09:49 eythian      hmm, French ciders rate highly.
09:48 eythian      even better!
09:48 paul_p       eythian = with no extra charge, of course
09:47 eythian      ohh :)
09:47 paul_p       eythian = plus, you'll be one of the first going into my new car (got it yesterday)
09:46 eythian      paul_p: sounds good :) yeah, it wasn't until yesterday that I realised the flights are at a not-so-great time.
09:45 eythian      ah, good to know.
09:45 paul_p       eythian = in this case, the best option is that I'll pick you at the airport = i'll be in my bed sooner !
09:44 gaetan_B     eythian: it's very likely that i won't be in Marseille this saturday evening in the end ! So paul_p will take care of you i guess !
09:44 eythian      hiya gaetan_B
09:44 gaetan_B     eythian: o/
09:44 eythian      paul_p: that stuff looks a bit concerning :)
09:44 drojf        paul_p: ok then i wonder about your "all at once" numbers still
09:43 paul_p       drojf I think so, but, with 2GB on my laptop, it's usually unused
09:43 drojf        paul_p: do you know if you had swap enabled?
09:43 paul_p       drojf yep. I just had nothing to add
09:43 drojf        paul_p: have you seen my post about your plack stats on koha-devel?
09:42 paul_p       eythian = here you'll have Pastis !!!
09:42 paul_p       eythian = 2 days ago, with my wife, we took a boat, and swimmed in the see. Last sunday, dinner on the beach, this lunch wife and children on the beach. Hard times here ;-)
09:42 eythian      well, I bet the beer here is better ;)
09:41 paul_p       very hard to decide staying in Brighton or coming to Marseille :D :D :D
09:41 eythian      that's a bit warmer
09:41 huginn       drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 17.9°C (11:12 AM CEST on July 12, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
09:41 drojf        @wunder berlin, germany
09:41 huginn       paul_p: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 25.0°C (11:30 AM CEST on July 12, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Falling).
09:41 drojf        is
09:41 paul_p       @wunder Marseille, france
09:41 eythian      not too bad right now
09:41 drojf        but i can confirm germany iy grey, cold, wet :)
09:40 huginn       eythian: The current temperature in Brighton, Brighton, United Kingdom is 16.6°C (10:30 AM BST on July 12, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
09:40 eythian      @wunder brighton, uk
09:40 eythian      I'm still in Brighton. Cold and wet :)
09:40 paul_p       how are things in germany ? (cold  I think)
09:40 eythian      hiya
09:40 paul_p       hello eythian !
09:37 drojf        lol
09:31 eythian      http://youtu.be/rqTE-ig7NhY <-- the insulting librarian
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08:05 kf           forgot a meeting
08:05 kf           sorry
08:02 dcook        I might've missed one or two times though
08:02 dcook        And I was doing that...
08:02 dcook        I think Shift + click refresh might do it
08:02 dcook        Hmm
08:01 kf           there is a short cut I always forget to make it reload the js when refreshing the page
08:00 kf           hm I think there it's something like shift + f5... or similar
08:00 dcook        Any tips? :)
07:59 kf           so you are sure it works/doesn'twork
07:59 kf           each time
07:59 kf           dcook: I think you ahve to make sure the js is reloaded and not cached
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07:58 dcook        Blahhh...it's 6...time for food or study or...something other than bugs :P
07:57 dcook        I must've made a mistake the first time around...there was a lot of clicking O_O
07:57 dcook        I just tried now, and sure enough ...it works fine in 7249
07:57 dcook        I suppose I can always redo the bisect
07:55 kf           not sure how to resolve :(
07:55 kf           hm sorry
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07:51 dcook        Or at least I have errors shooting up
07:51 dcook        Hmm, couldn't revert it
07:48 dcook        Haven't tried yet
07:47 kf           does reverting it fix the issue for you?
07:47 kf           yeah, I am a bit suspicious that we got the wrong commit
07:46 dcook        The problem is that newer versions of koha aren't picking up barcode duplications in item records made during an order
07:45 dcook        Since I think the data validation is done by js
07:45 dcook        I figure it's likely a js issue
07:45 kf           and maybe it was still in the cache?
07:45 kf           are there errors on the page?
07:45 kf           what if the problem is realted to javascript?
07:45 kf           hmmm
07:45 dcook        But yeah...no idea how
07:45 dcook        24213703d5906d4bfff1a8e1c9e079bd11523ba7 is the first bad commit
07:44 kf           what did git bisect say?
07:44 rangi        yeah, not sure how that could do it
07:42 kf           hm, completely different area
07:42 dcook        24213703d5906d4bfff1a8e1c9e079bd11523ba7
07:42 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7249 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Report webservices
07:42 wahanui      rumour has it bug 7249 is particularly cool
07:42 kf           bug 7249?
07:41 rangi        whats the commit sha ?
07:41 wahanui      hmmm... bug 7249 is particularly cool.
07:41 kf           bug 7249
07:41 dcook        Hmm, seems 7249 is the bad one
07:38 dcook        Crucial step. Great :)
07:38 rangi        keep doing it until it stops giving you new commits
07:38 dcook        Mmm
07:38 rangi        and get another one
07:37 rangi        so do git bisect good
07:37 dcook        Which was good
07:37 rangi        and its good?
07:37 dcook        Then the git picked 3414
07:37 dcook        7249 was bad
07:37 rangi        and git picks you a new one
07:37 dcook        Yeah, that's how I reached that point
07:37 rangi        or git bisect bad
07:37 rangi        you just say git bisect good
07:37 rangi        afret your first good and bad, you dont check things out anymore
07:37 kf           sorry, confused
07:37 rangi        how are you doing it?
07:36 dcook        I assume there are commits inbetween that I'm missing?
07:36 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7249 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Report webservices
07:36 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3414 minor, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, gcollum, RESOLVED FIXED, Invalid XHMTL in parcels.tmpl and general cleanup of html needed.
07:36 kf           hi Amit_Gupta
07:36 dcook        The warning appears when I got back to Bug 3414, but it still wasn't appearing the step before at Bug 7249
07:36 Amit_Gupta   heya kf
07:36 kf           what did it say?
07:36 dcook        Hmmm, not quite sure what to do with the results of this git bisect
07:17 kf           hi rangi :)
07:16 rangi        hey kf
07:14 dcook        I don't think it ever advanced the barcode after adding the item, but yes...the duplicate message...
07:14 dcook        *facepalm*
07:14 dcook        Oh wait...
07:14 dcook        I wonder if it ever worked though..
07:13 dcook        Thanks, rangi :)
07:13 dcook        Intriguing...I'm going to give it a whirl
07:12 rangi        keep doing that it, and it will get to the commit that caused the issue
07:12 rangi        if not bad
07:12 rangi        then git will check one out for you, verify again, if it works, git bisect good
07:12 rangi        git bisect bad
07:12 rangi        verify it doesnt
07:12 rangi        git checkout v3.08.02
07:12 rangi        git checkout a commit when you know it doesnt work, eg
07:11 rangi        git bisect good
07:11 rangi        verify it still works
07:11 rangi        then git bisect start
07:11 rangi        git checkout commitid
07:10 rangi        ok, so what you do is checkout the commit where it worked
07:09 rangi        :)
07:08 dcook        P.S. I was going to say that before you mentioned the sweet part ;)
07:08 dcook        Sure. That would be fab
07:08 rangi        it will help you track down the exact commit that is causing the behaviour
07:06 rangi        dcook: wanna learn about git bisect?
07:04 rangi        thanks
07:04 dcook        wb rangi
07:02 rangi        back
07:01 francharb    hello #koha
06:53 dcook        hey gaetan_B :)
06:53 gaetan_B     hello :)
06:49 dcook        ttyl :)
06:49 cait         bbl :)
06:49 cait         ...
06:49 cait         of course... when I have to get to work it starts raining
06:45 cait         hi marcelr :)
06:42 marcelr      good morning #koha
06:37 Amit_Gupta   heya alex_a1
06:36 reiveune     hello
06:29 alex_a1      hi rangi and cait
06:28 * rangi      goes to eat bbiab
06:25 rangi        hi alex_a1
06:24 cait         hi alex_a
06:24 dcook        bonjour alex_a1
06:23 alex_a1      bonjour
06:17 cait         I really think it needs some work currently - but not sure where to start!
06:17 cait         *sigh*
06:17 cait         to me it looked all wrong
06:17 cait         I really didn't understand it
06:17 dcook        Calculations seem to vary from page to page :S
06:17 cait         where she reported it worked wrong
06:17 cait         for taxes
06:17 dcook        Mmm, I've been of the same mind as cait
06:17 cait         there was a spreadsheet from jransom on the wiki on a bug
06:16 cait         that kind of consistency
06:16 rangi        and that configuration should allow you to do that
06:16 cait         I meant like the list price being calculated for the same settings the same on dfferentpages
06:16 rangi        we can agree on it needs to work inconsistently
06:15 rangi        thats the point
06:15 rangi        no
06:15 cait         can we agree on consistency? :)
06:15 rangi        assuming somethign is broken and fixing it, is how we got here
06:15 rangi        one persons wonky is another persons working exactly how it should
06:15 cait         because right now it's just very confusing
06:15 cait         and ideally in a way that at least it kinda works the same on all pages
06:15 cait         but i really think it does some wonky things currently that shoudl be fixed
06:14 cait         yeah, that would be bad :(
06:14 rangi        :)
06:14 rangi        ie, DONT BREAK IT MORE
06:14 rangi        also, hlt have never failed an audit in 12 years, lets not make next year the first
06:14 rangi        before it can work for everyone
06:14 wahanui      somebody said configuration was not so hard
06:14 cait         ok, configuration
06:13 * dcook      O_o
06:13 rangi        and realise that you need a lot of configuration options
06:13 rangi        we need to stop trying
06:13 rangi        no
06:13 cait         so we need an insane system? ;)
06:13 wahanui      i heard question was "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?"
06:13 dcook        Question...
06:13 rangi        you can not have any sane system that works for all
06:12 rangi        the only way to do it is to set that up on a per vendor basis
06:12 rangi        we dont pay gst on imported goods under a certain cost
06:12 dcook        This is the kind of thing that would be good to document
06:12 cait         we have different taxes for electronic media, newspapers and books
06:11 cait         have to be careful with that
06:11 rangi        thats why its on the vendor level
06:11 cait         yeah, that's exactly what I meant earlier...
06:11 rangi        we dont
06:11 cait         hm we do
06:11 rangi        eg amazon, you dont pay gst on
06:11 cait         and oderline should overwrite vendor later (I think)
06:11 rangi        you can override it on per vendor basis
06:11 cait         vendor overwrites it
06:11 cait         ^^
06:11 rangi        gist is the default
06:10 dcook        How the gist syspref figures in as well
06:10 cait         how should the price be calculated for each
06:10 cait         for the different settings in the vendor
06:10 cait         *shudder*
06:10 cait         with math
06:10 cait         I think we might need a table
06:09 rangi        linking all that in would be good if you can find it
06:09 rangi        yup
06:09 cait         I think he would be happy to answer questions too
06:09 cait         and send notes about the terms
06:09 cait         francharb put something on the wiki I think
06:09 rangi        and specs of how it was designed to work
06:09 cait         correct
06:09 rangi        and test plans
06:08 cait         so we can start testing
06:08 cait         we should at least start discussion to figure out how it should work
06:08 cait         forget which is
06:08 cait         lol
06:08 wahanui      okay, cait.
06:08 cait         which is also not good
06:08 cait         but that way... it just sits there
06:06 dcook        Exactly
06:04 cait         and hat makes testing nearly impossible
06:04 cait         because I am not 100% sure how we want it to work
06:04 cait         the whole tax thing is a bit scary to me
06:04 cait         hm, I think there was a problem with one of his patches, becaue hlt does not have to pay tax
06:03 rangi        and discount on orderline
06:03 rangi        yep we did that for hlt im pretty sure cjh submitted it
06:03 cait         I think the vat one might enable that
06:03 dcook        Although...
06:03 rangi        listprice includes tax
06:03 cait         and ideally it would beon order line level too - because we have different taxes fr different type of media...
06:03 rangi        invoice includes tax
06:03 dcook        Mmm, nice one rangi
06:03 rangi        you have 2 radio buttons
06:03 cait         dcook: yep - the vendor
06:02 cait         but we didn't get reports from a library so far
06:02 rangi        dcook: the vendor
06:02 cait         I always suspected problems in there...
06:02 dcook        But I don't even see how you would do that aside from the gist syspref :S
06:02 dcook        I've had librarians tell me that they indicate that they want no tax applies but that it is still being applied
06:02 cait         maybe a wiki page with tests?
06:02 cait         I am not sure where to start with it too...
06:02 dcook        I think I might be missing a few angles on it as well..
06:01 dcook        True enough
06:00 cait         so we should get some opinions if it covers everything correctly
06:00 cait         especially because taxes might work differently in different countries
06:00 cait         but it would be good to get started on it
06:00 cait         yeah it's big
06:00 cait         exactly that yes
06:00 dcook        *shudder8
06:00 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5335 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , More granular VAT
06:00 cait         bug 5335
05:59 wahanui      i think 5335 is conflicting too :(
05:59 dcook        5335?
05:59 cait         I think you would make some people very happy for looking into it
05:59 cait         there is a bug waiting for sign off
05:59 cait         heh
05:59 dcook        No pun intended..
05:59 dcook        Does anyone actually use Acquisitions to keep track of finances? The way it handles tax makes zero sense.
05:58 * dcook_away glares at Acquisitions
04:29 mtj          Amit_Gupta:  there is a mirror-repo here -> https://github.com/Koha-Community
04:21 Amit_Gupta   seems http://git.koha-community.org/ not working
03:53 cait         hi Amit_Gupta
03:53 Amit_Gupta   heya cait
03:48 Amit_Gupta   heya dcook
03:47 dcook        hi Amit :)
03:46 Amit_Gupta   hi koha
03:41 dcook        Hmm...not IE specific at all, but very sporadic...:S
03:35 dcook        And now I can't reproduce the behaviour that was just happening a few minutes ago...:S
03:30 dcook        It's only 1:30pm here. It's a bit early...
03:29 mtj          ah, theres an easy fix for that... ;)
03:29 dcook        Now if only I could stop finding/fixing bugs related to old versions of IE...
03:28 dcook        I like the "without breaking anything else" bit :p
03:26 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8233 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, ASSIGNED , New search engine layer - introduce solr without breaking anything else
03:26 mtj          in bug 8233
03:25 mtj          meh, the error is already reported
03:23 * dcook      returns to what he was actually doing, lol
03:21 dcook        http://meetings.koha-community.org/2010/koha.2010-12-07-20.00.log.txt
03:20 dcook        Ahh, I see
03:20 wahanui      well, hdl is saying, who when where, how.
03:20 dcook        Do you know hdl?
03:19 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8423 blocker, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Koha/SearchEngine/Zebra/Search.pm fails 'perl -c' test
03:19 mtj          logged bug 8423 :)
03:18 dcook        Mmm, I'm not sure
03:14 mtj          my hunch its a non-koha perl module, written by biblibre - that hasnt been published?
03:13 dcook        I know very little about perl modules themselves, but perl -c  Koha/SearchEngine/Zebra.pm works, despite saying "extends 'Data::SearchEngine::Zebra';"
03:07 dcook        Hmm
03:04 mtj          namely ->  Data/SearchEngine/Zebra.pm
03:04 mtj          looks like Koha/SearchEngine/Zebra/Search.pm refers to a file that does not exist...
03:03 mtj          BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at Koha/SearchEngine/Zebra/Search.pm line 5.
03:03 mtj          Can't locate Data/SearchEngine/Zebra.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /home/mason/git/head /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.14.2 /usr/local/share/perl/5.14.2 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.14 /usr/share/perl/5.14 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at Koha/SearchEngine/Zebra/Search.pm line 5.
03:03 mtj          $ perl -c  Koha/SearchEngine/Zebra/Search.pm
03:03 mtj          hmm, any idea about this error....
02:55 dcook        'night
02:55 dcook        Nearly 1pm. Time for some lunch :D
02:54 jcamins_away Good night. (morning for you, I guess)
02:54 jcamins_away You just set the circ rules to match how you think reserves should work, and you're done.
02:54 dcook        Get some rest!
02:54 dcook        Hehe, thanks jcamins
02:53 jcamins_away Yup.
02:53 dcook        I suppose that would be an item type..
02:53 jcamins_away It doesn't.
02:53 jcamins_away And, having imparted that wisdom (?) I think I'll get some sleep.
02:53 dcook        We don't have many academic clients, but for my own curiousity...how does Koha handle "reserve"/course materials
02:53 jcamins_away Explain to them (again, probably;) that itemtype != genre, it's just one of the criteria used for circ rules.
02:52 dcook        I bet that's exactly what's happening
02:52 jcamins_away (where wrong = not the way you want them to work)
02:52 dcook        I was just thinking that
02:52 jcamins_away If you're putting holds specifically on reference books, that's probably a sign that you have your circulation rules configured wrong.
02:52 jcamins_away Yes.
02:51 jcamins_away (this is a very common configuration, at least here in the States)
02:51 jcamins_away Or if there are two copies of the book, one of which is not for loan and one of which is.
02:51 dcook        I suppose the constant putting of holds on a reference item is seen as quite exceptional
02:50 dcook        Ordinarily
02:49 jcamins_away If there were not a hold on it, it wouldn't be a problem, but we wouldn't expect any sort of notification. ;)
02:49 dcook        Which there could be, if the librarians decide to allow a hold on that item
02:49 jcamins_away Right.
02:48 dcook        If there were a hold on it
02:48 jcamins_away Otherwise, it would notify for holds if someone dropped a reference copy of a popular book in the return slot.
02:48 jcamins_away That's the correct behavior.
02:47 dcook        Am I missing something or is this a genuine bug?
02:47 dcook        I'm not certain how common this workflow would be, but it has been pointed out by a librarian and it does seem inconsistent with regular hold behaviour.
02:46 dcook        If a hold is placed for a Not For Loan item (i.e. the holds policy has been over-ridden) and the item is checked in, no Hold found dialog appears. Instead, it seems says "Item not checked out".
00:56 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8235 minor, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Packaging scripts get upset with non-Debian perl modules
00:56 jenkins_koha robin: Bug 8235 - allow a whitelist of modules that aren't in Debian
00:56 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #94: SUCCESS in 1 hr 1 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/94/
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00:07 drojf        thanks :)
00:06 rangi        sleep well
00:06 drojf        good night
00:06 drojf        but now it's bedtime. 2am again :/
00:06 rangi        cool
00:06 drojf        i will try that, thanks
00:06 rangi        nope
00:06 drojf        yes
00:06 drojf        that does not sound very complicated
00:06 rangi        that make sense?
00:05 rangi        your even
00:05 rangi        now youre template variable in opac-detail.pl has all the params for html5 set
00:05 rangi        }
00:05 rangi        return $template;
00:05 rangi        do all that stuff
00:05 rangi        my $template = shift;
00:05 rangi        sub populate_html5 {
00:04 rangi        and the in a module somewhere
00:04 rangi        }
00:04 rangi        $template = populate_html5($template);
00:04 rangi        after if ( C4::Context->preference("HTML5MediaEnabled") ) {
00:03 rangi        in opac-detail.pl
00:03 rangi        well here's waht i would do
00:00 drojf        rangi: what would be a good example function to look at for putting the code into a module and getting it working from the template then?