Time Nick Message
03:21 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
03:30 Judit1 hi
03:30 wahanui privet, Judit1
03:40 mtompset Greetings, Judit1
03:50 vkm hello all
03:50 vkm may i know a script to get checkin report in a date range
03:51 vkm in koha report library there is no such script or let me know any trick to get the above report please
03:54 mib_5tfxyk hello
03:54 wahanui what's up, mib_5tfxyk
03:55 mib_5tfxyk please let me know script to get checkin report in date range
04:29 * mtompset doesn't know the answer. :(
04:30 mib_5tfxyk ok
05:07 mib_x2j5y8 hi dear all of you i am pankaj i am use koha 3.8 and i want to installed SIP2 .
05:10 mib_x2j5y8 dear friends how can installed and use koha SIP2 please help me ......
05:24 rakesh Hi
05:25 rakesh any one there?
05:28 * mtompset doesn't know the answer. :(
05:28 mtompset sip2?
05:28 rakesh Hi
05:30 rakesh i am facing error in installing perl dependencies for koha, ubuntu version is 12.04, namely Net::Z3950::ZOOM
05:30 rakesh it says installation seems impossible
05:31 rangi rakesh: doing sudo apt-get install libnet-z3950-zoom-perl ?
05:31 rangi and for sip2
05:31 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_SIP2_server_setup
05:33 rakesh no, ive done install net:Z3950:zoom
05:33 rakesh i am doing it in cpan
05:34 rangi why would you do that?
05:34 rangi not use the ubuntu packages?
05:40 rakesh1 hi any 1 there?
05:41 rangi the same people as last time you asked
05:41 rangi 17:32 < rakesh> no, ive done install net:Z3950:zoom
05:41 rangi 17:32 < rakesh> i am doing it in cpan
05:41 rangi 17:32 <@rangi> why would you do that?
05:41 rangi 17:32 <@rangi> not use the ubuntu packages?
05:41 rakesh1 ya
05:41 rakesh1 no ive not tried ti use the ubuntu packages
05:41 cait you should
05:41 rakesh1 how to do that plz guide'
05:41 cait it makes your life a looo teasier
05:43 rakesh1 plz guide how to install it through the ubuntu package method
05:43 rangi sudo apt-get install libnet-z3950-zoom-perl
05:43 rakesh1 kk
05:43 rakesh1 i will try that
05:44 rakesh1 and secondly the error also comes in installing XML::Libxslt
05:45 rangi do that from packages too
05:45 rangi you should only ever use cpan if the file is not packaged in ubuntu
05:45 rakesh1 package it also says install impossible moreover gives 1 more error that cannot make "makefile.pl"
05:45 rakesh1 make cannot install and test
05:45 rakesh1 how to solve that
05:45 rangi and for 12.04 they all are
05:45 rangi rakesh1: dont install it from cpan
05:47 rangi sudo apt-get install libxml-libxslt-perl
05:55 rakesh3 hi any 1 there?
05:55 rakesh3 same person
05:56 rakesh3 rakesh, rakesh1, rakesh2 actually my internet disconnects
05:57 rakesh3 any 1?
06:02 rakesh3 my prob is that i get error while installing XML:LibXSLT via cpan
06:02 rakesh3 it gives me two errors
06:02 rakesh3 1st is the makefiel error
06:03 rakesh3 srry makefile.pl
06:03 rakesh3 and secong goes the rror it says install seems impossible
06:04 rangi 17:44 <@rangi> rakesh1: dont install it from cpan
06:04 rangi 17:46 <@rangi> sudo apt-get install libxml-libxslt-perl
06:04 rangi dont install from cpan, for anything
06:05 rakesh3 kk
06:05 rakesh3 and i would like to ask u that i ve installed the 12.04 version of ubuntu server does that make a problem?
06:06 rangi no
06:06 rangi whats a problem is not using the ubuntu packaged versions of the modules
06:06 rakesh3 bcause i tried to install koha earlier on ubuntu desktop and it worked like a charm
06:06 rakesh3 kk i will install through ubuntu aptitude'
06:07 rangi that way you get them upgraded for security etc
06:07 rakesh3 okk
06:07 rangi if you install with cpan, you need to watch the bug trackers of all the modules to make sure you upgrade when you need to
06:07 rakesh3 ok
06:08 rakesh3 and there was a serious error that couldnt make "makefile.pl" for xxxxxxxxxxxxx.tar.gz
06:10 rakesh3 thnx for all your guide
06:10 rakesh3 will contact u in the future if any prob occur'
06:10 rakesh3 :)
06:12 rangi my bill is in the mail
06:13 cait lol
06:14 alex_a bonjour
06:14 Judit1 :)
06:14 cait hi alex_a and Judit1
06:14 Judit1 hi all
06:14 alex_a salut cait
06:17 rangi hi alex_a and Judit1
06:17 Judit1 did you have fun at kohacon?
06:18 rangi you voted for kohacon13 yet?
06:18 rangi i sure did
06:18 Judit1 i didnt
06:18 Judit1 vote
06:18 Judit1 i am not going, so it is not fair to vote i guess
06:18 alex_a hi rangi
06:20 alex_a i didnt vote neither
06:21 cait alex_a: why not?
06:21 alex_a cait: where it is ?
06:21 alex_a :)
06:21 alex_a cait: Could you give me the link ? I will share with biblibre
06:21 cait http://survey.web2learning.net/limesurvey/index.php?sid=91534
06:22 alex_a thx !
06:22 rangi its on koha-community.org too
06:22 cait KohaCon13 vote is http://survey.web2learning.net/limesurvey/index.php?sid=91534
06:22 rangi http://koha-community.org/kohacon-2013-voting-open/
06:24 * rangi hopes he gets to hang out with alex_a again
06:24 rangi even if we have to communicate with sign language :-)
06:25 rangi i promise to try to learn some french before next kohacon
06:26 * cait thinks beer seemed to work too
06:26 Judit1 :D
06:27 rangi beer always works
06:27 Judit1 in many ways
06:30 alex_a rangi: :)
06:30 alex_a i will try to improve my english ...
06:31 Judit1 ah, just drink more
06:33 rangi hehe
06:34 rangi http://blog.networksaremadeofstring.co.uk/2012/07/01/i-build-high-availability-platforms-so-cloud-is-not-for-me/
06:34 rangi from fmarier, quite a good write up
06:34 alex_a National Capital Region of the United States => why not just Washington ?
06:34 alex_a it's Washington right ?
06:34 Judit1 there are more washingtons
06:35 alex_a Washington D.C. ?
06:35 Judit1 better
06:35 alex_a \o
06:35 Judit1 only one washington d c
06:36 alex_a washington DC is shorter then National Capital Region of the United States :)
06:36 rangi hehe this is true :)
06:36 alex_a s/then/than/
06:36 Judit1 National Capital Region of the United States is ore impressive
06:36 Judit1 i guess :)
06:36 rangi i think it might actually end up in somewhere in maryland (which is the state surrounding DC) but for us non usians
06:36 Judit1 fro some
06:36 rangi its all the same place
06:38 rangi did you know DC doesnt have a senator?
06:39 rangi or a rep in the house of congress either
06:40 rangi useless facts i know that help win beer at pub quizzes
06:41 cait lol
06:47 francharb hello
06:48 Judit1 hi
06:48 wahanui niihau, Judit1
06:49 rangi hiya francharb
06:55 rangi hi laurence
07:10 gaetan_B hello
07:10 rangi hi gaetan_B
07:12 rangi hmmm
07:13 kf good morning #koha
07:13 rangi did we used to be able to turn moderation on reviews off? i thought we could?
07:14 kf I think only for tags, but not entirely sure
07:14 rangi darn
07:14 kf the problem is that comments are buggy right now
07:14 kf I have to retest and file a bug report
07:14 rangi hmm buggy in what way?
07:14 kf but what I saw is:
07:15 rangi the real problem for me is i cant turn moderation off
07:15 kf add a new comment, hit f5 - it will disappear
07:15 kf edit a moderated comment - it will create a new comment
07:15 kf but I still have to confirm that, was testing something else and ran out of time
07:15 rangi right, those are bugs alright, but i still need to be able to create an unmoderated comment :)
07:16 kf I think that will need another pref :(
07:16 rangi i dont mind prefs, prefs are better than doing it any other way
07:16 kf I don't mind prefs too and I thin this one would make sense - but needs a patch :)
07:17 kf hm interesting
07:17 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
07:17 rangi yeah a pref and and couple of lines in C4/Review.pm
07:17 kf bug 1868
07:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1868 enhancement, P3, ---, frederic, RESOLVED MOVED, Comments in OPAC
07:18 rangi lol i wrote this crap
07:18 rangi Author: rangi <rangi>
07:18 rangi Date: Sat Sep 3 00:05:40 2005 +0000
07:18 rangi lol
07:18 kf looks morelike frederic?
07:19 kf notsure where the duplicate bug is it mentions
07:19 rangi no the original code
07:19 rangi Author: rangi <rangi>
07:19 rangi Date: Sat Jun 17 04:26:38 2006 +0000
07:19 kf oh
07:19 rangi Admin interface to approve reviews, not finished yet
07:19 rangi Needs a script to delete a review and to approve one. Will work on this later (taking a break to watch rugby)
07:19 kf lol
07:19 rangi that sounds like me all right
07:19 kf yes, that sounds like you
07:19 kf look at the bug
07:20 rangi yeah never got made/pushed
07:20 kf yep
07:20 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1598
07:21 huginn 04Bug 1598: enhancement, P3, ---, frederic, NEW , Make OPAC reviews a comments system (like Flickr, YouTube, etc)
07:21 kf ah there it is
07:21 kf Joshua and I... ooold.
07:21 rangi heh yeah
07:22 rangi i was working there then
07:22 rangi i resigned in march 2008
07:22 rangi anyway, im gonna take this bug
07:23 rangi and make it say, allow unmoderated comments
07:24 kf makes sense
07:24 kf I think we don't allow comments without being logged in anyway right now
07:25 kf so it would be a lot more work to implement that and I don't think people really want it
07:25 rangi yeah
07:25 rangi im just doing unmoderated
07:25 * kf nods
07:37 rangi hi paul_p
07:37 paul_p good morning #koha
07:37 paul_p (good evening rangi)
07:44 kf morning paul_p
07:50 rangi hi sophie_m
07:50 sophie_m hi rangi
07:50 kf bonjour sophie_m
07:50 sophie_m Guten Tag kf
07:52 drojf1 good morning #koha
07:54 drojf1 and again
07:55 drojf1 crazy router
07:55 kf hi drojf
07:55 rangi hi drojf1
07:56 drojf1 hi kf and rangi
07:57 drojf1 @wunder berlin, germany
07:57 huginn drojf1: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 18.8°C (9:42 AM CEST on July 03, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
07:58 kf @wunder Konstanz
07:58 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 17.7°C (9:55 AM CEST on July 03, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
08:03 rangi @wunder nzwn
08:03 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0°C (7:00 PM NZST on July 03, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
08:08 rangi drojf1++ #answering random questions on the mailing list
08:08 drojf1 it's a nice way to get awake
08:08 rangi heh
08:09 rangi lamiette: you about?
08:15 Oak kia ora #koha
08:16 rangi hi Oak
08:17 Oak hello rangi ! :)
08:39 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
08:40 kf hi Oak
08:41 rangi hi mtompset
08:42 rangi lyon3++
08:47 mtompset kf, how is it that you see Oak?
08:47 kf hm? I only saw he said hi
08:47 mtompset Hi, rangi. You were the one who signed off the patch on 8175, right?
08:48 mtompset I was just wondering what you might have thought regarding Ian's comments. It merits a revision to the patch, correct?
08:48 rangi i think bug 8348 is a duplicate of bug 8110
08:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8348 critical, P1 - high, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , useDaysMode syspref does not apply
08:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8110 blocker, P1 - high, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Fines accruing on closed days
08:49 rangi yep, the patch has changed the functionality, a warn in the logs is better than a regression
08:50 mtompset I've got a patch. I'll attach it. It doesn't break the functionality.
08:50 rangi the new patch?
08:50 mtompset Yep.
08:50 rangi cool
08:50 Oak hello kf :) how does the presentation look?
08:50 kf oh, needs lots more work today
08:50 mtompset a defined() with a =~ /\S/
08:51 Oak ah. hmm.
08:51 rangi hmm
08:51 mtompset because I'm pretty sure the output doesn't care about " "
08:51 mtompset a blank column is a blank column.
08:52 mtompset if materials_flag was always one you'd have a blank column, which is what the check is hoping to avoid.
08:52 rangi you're scope creeping :)
08:53 rangi originally it was silencing a warn, now you are changing behaviour
08:53 rangi it might be right, but its definitely scope creep
08:53 mtompset Well...
08:53 mtompset actually, it was checking if there was something in the materials field.
08:53 rangi so you should make sure you update the bug description to say that
08:54 mtompset hence the ne ''.
08:54 rangi yes
08:54 mtompset But I do see what you are saying about scope creep.
08:54 rangi now you are making it check there is something that is not whitespace
08:54 rangi that isn't the same
08:54 rangi so you should say that
08:55 rangi like i say, its probably right, but its a change in what the bug was reported as
08:55 mtompset Okay, I'll make that tweak to the bug description.
08:55 rangi cool thanks
08:55 mtompset I reported the bug... am I not allowed to creep? ;)
08:55 Oak mtompset++
08:55 rangi it just helps people test properly, and helps the release notes
08:55 mtompset That's true.
08:55 rangi you are, but not without updating the description
08:55 rangi :)
08:56 mtompset Okay... off to update the description, then put up a new patch.
08:56 rangi excellent
08:56 rangi mtompset++
08:56 Oak kf what is you presentation about?
08:57 mtompset "Check for something in materials field fails in catalogue/details.pl"?
08:57 Oak actually electricity will go out in 3 minutes..so I'll talk to you later ....
08:57 rangi sounds good to me
08:58 mtompset Hmmm... perhaps you could help me.
08:59 mtompset how to I revert the one file back to original one?
08:59 mtompset ^to^do^
08:59 rangi git checkout filename
09:01 mtompset um.... further back...
09:02 mtompset revert to the one that wasn't on my machine initially
09:03 rangi you can checkout any commit
09:04 rangi so find the commit from when you want to check it out
09:04 mtompset I'm new to git, so how do I do that?
09:04 rangi git checkout -b mybranch commitid
09:04 rangi then yuo will be on a new branch with the files all at that point
09:05 mtompset I already have a branch for bug_8175
09:05 lamiette rangi: you still about?
09:05 mtompset I want to set it back to the not quite right version
09:05 lamiette just saw your ping
09:05 rangi how many commits ago is that mtompset ?
09:06 rangi git reset HEAD^ if its one HEAD^2 etc
09:06 rangi lamiette: heya, just was talking to someone else who is at maharauk
09:06 lamiette ah yeah, Kevin?
09:06 rangi yep
09:07 mtompset one.
09:07 mtompset ah, okay.
09:08 rangi that will reset it, then you can do
09:08 rangi git stash
09:08 wahanui git stash is for saving and restoring unstaged (and uncommited) changes.
09:08 rangi that will stash away your changes (which we have just marked as uncommitted)
09:08 rangi and you will be back with the file, but you can get your changes back
09:09 rangi by doing a git stash apply
09:09 rangi git rules
09:11 rangi we must remove all that no zebra stuff, its confusing another poor person
09:13 * mtompset nods, "That no zebra stuff was confusing me for a bit too."
09:14 mtj i was thinking... should we rename the 'nozebra' syspref to 'nozebra (depreciated)' ?
09:15 mtj ... as a temporary measure, before deleting it completely
09:15 mtj and... hi #koha :)
09:16 rangi well we did that already, its been marked as deprecated in release notes since 3.4
09:16 mtompset Actually, can we display it as "Zebra (depreciated)"? I know that's backwards... but the thing that was confusing is use setting for NO ZEBRA.
09:16 rangi i think we should kill it good now
09:17 druthb o/
09:17 rangi it doesnt work, theres no point even having it :)
09:17 * mtompset nods, "killing is better."
09:17 rangi hi druthb !
09:17 rangi working late
09:17 rangi ?
09:17 druthb Naah. Up early-ish.
09:17 mtj yep, but the 'nozebra' syspref opt ion is still there right? to confuse peepz
09:18 mtj heya druthb :)
09:18 druthb Hi, mtj! :D
09:19 mtj ok, lets just kill the zebra/nozebra syspref, and have a big warning in the release-notes :)
09:20 * druthb celebrates the impending doom of NoZebra.
09:20 rangi yes its hard the warning for a while now, no one reads it, so best to just kill it
09:20 rangi hard=had
09:22 alex_a All my multiple fields are grouped in one on staff or opac display using koha 3.8. has someone already encountered this problem?
09:23 alex_a it's the first time i see that ...
09:23 rangi hmm i havent encountered that yet
09:25 kf alex_a: can you show a screenshot?
09:25 kf and which fields?
09:25 wahanui which fields are associated with authority records.
09:27 alex_a kf: http://catalogue.migrationinsarouen.biblibre.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-MARCdetail.pl?biblionumber=85
09:27 alex_a look at the 606 field
09:27 alex_a i have 2 fields 606 in marcxml
09:27 kf hm interesting
09:27 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
09:28 alex_a kf: all multivalued fields :(
09:28 kf yeah, every time there is more than one of it?
09:28 alex_a yes
09:28 alex_a all subfields are grouped in one fields
09:28 alex_a field
09:28 kf itlooks wrong too
09:29 kf I am missing the plain marc view
09:29 kf or does this not exist for UNIMARC?
09:29 alex_a plain marc view ?
09:29 alex_a you should have marc view
09:29 alex_a no ?
09:29 wahanui hmmm... no is failing unit tests
09:30 kf alex_a: I think in marc21 this is the "labelled marc view"
09:30 kf and there is a button to bring up the marc marc view :)
09:30 kf [off] https://seminar-weingarten.bsz-bw.de/cgi-bin/koha/opac-MARCdetail.pl?biblionumber=521
09:31 kf that's 3.6.3
09:31 kf looks ok there :(
09:33 Herwig Morning
09:33 kf morning
09:33 hdl kf was ok in 3.6
09:33 hdl as far as i know
09:33 mtj remove-nozebra-syspref++
09:34 rangi alex_a: is it ok in staff? or broken in staff and opac?
09:34 kf looking in bywater's test installaton now
09:35 hdl rangi: broken in both
09:35 Herwig Hey all still stuck in finding a way to get the search engine running here ... if annyone got some tips ... i did what someone posted here yesterday but ... http://users.telenet.be/webwijzer/koha/10.JPG still in trouble ... but not giving up :P
09:35 rangi and in master?
09:35 alex_a rangi: broken in staff and opac
09:36 kf http://model.bywatersolutions.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-MARCdetail.pl?biblionumber=11363
09:36 rangi id suspect css changes then
09:36 hdl 3.8, not tested yet on master.
09:36 kf seems ok on the bywater test installation with marc21
09:36 kf so maybe very recent or only unimarc?
09:36 kf Koha 3.0801002
09:36 rangi yeah i just tested master with marc21
09:37 rangi thats latest 3.8.x kf
09:37 rangi seems ok in master with marc21 .. so it might be specific to unimarc
09:38 alex_a rangi, kf: the result in staff: http://postimage.org/image/s7faahkiv/
09:38 mtj Herwig: your PERL5LIB line is incorrect - (it points to a non-existing dir?)
09:38 Herwig no i dont now where to point it
09:38 rangi alex_a: ouch, that doesnt look good at all
09:40 Herwig time for googling that :P
09:40 mtj Herwig: 'export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib' is probably correct for you...
09:41 Herwig ill try
09:41 kf alex_a: no, doesn't look good - I downloaed the marc from opac, that looks correct, so it's the display
09:41 alex_a yes, marc is correct. Not the display
09:42 Herwig good news i got a listing and it said cleaning (i hope its good news)
09:42 mtompset Herwig... are you talking about Zebra?
09:43 Herwig yup
09:43 mtompset Oops... too slow. Someone pointed out checking KOHA_CONF and PERL5LIB already. :)
09:43 Herwig fighting it with help from some peeps here
09:43 mtompset I feel your pain. I was doing that for the last week.
09:44 Herwig lol :)
09:44 mtompset Are you running Debian?
09:44 Herwig i'm used to linux at home but not the code type things so its all learning for me
09:44 Herwig ubuntu virtual server
09:45 mtompset Me too! YAY!
09:45 Herwig :)
09:45 mtompset I might be able to make some suggestions.
09:45 Herwig omg i have results
09:45 Herwig :) :) :)
09:46 mtompset That's a good start.
09:46 mtompset Are you running a full reindex in a cron job?
09:46 mtompset -b -a -r
09:47 mtompset or just a updates?
09:47 mtj yay! /me hands Herwig a doppelbock
09:47 mtompset -b -a -z?
09:48 Herwig i think i do sec
09:48 Herwig 1 * * * * koha /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -a -b -z 2>&1 > /dev/null
09:49 mtompset that's fine... that's updates hourly on the first minute.
09:49 Herwig thats the one in the cronjobs
09:49 * mtompset nods.
09:49 Herwig must i put it on 1 min ?
09:49 mtompset no, you could change it as you want.
09:50 mtompset But I doubt you are adding things that you need to see every 5 minutes.
09:50 Herwig now the next part starts getting my old data in the system :OP
09:50 mtompset Where is the old data coming from?
09:51 Herwig thx peeps never got out off this without this help ill buy you all a beer
09:51 mtompset I'll just take a coke. ;)
09:51 Herwig lol ok
09:52 vfernandes Hi guys... can anyone explain to me how MARC21 items works? all my projects until today were using UNIMARC
09:53 slef vfernandes: @marc 952
09:53 wahanui The 952 field is used by Koha to store item data in MARC21 and is described at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Holdings_data_fields_%289xx%29
09:53 rangi mtompset: you want it running every 5 if you are circulating items
09:53 rangi or your search will be telling people stuff is on the shelves when its not
09:53 vfernandes right... but how about itemtype?
09:53 mtompset true...
09:53 slef vfernandes: itemtype is 942$c, also on that page.
09:53 slef (or it should be)
09:53 rangi thats biblio level itemtype
09:54 slef vfernandes: and 952$y
09:54 rangi thats item level itemtype :)
09:54 mtompset So, Herwig, change the 1 to */5
09:54 mtompset That will run every 5 minutes.
09:54 vfernandes ok... but the MARC21 model doesn't have 952$y...
09:54 slef rangi: is tajoli(?)'s synchronous zebraqueue daemon ready yet? It's been on my todo-sometime-when-I-get-time list
09:54 slef vfernandes: MARC21 model?
09:55 rangi slef: never tried it
09:55 rangi and its fredericd's :)
09:55 vfernandes MARC21 biblio model in KOHA... cataloguing
09:55 alex_a kf, rangi: it's a syspref
09:55 alex_a LabelMARCView
09:55 slef vfernandes: Administation: Koha-MARC links?
09:56 alex_a just a syspref
09:56 vfernandes MARC Bibliographic framework
09:56 alex_a :-/
09:56 rangi alex_a: ahhh, how annoying!
09:56 rangi vfernandes: yes it is, if its not in yours, there is something messed up in your install
09:57 rangi itype 952 y Koha item type
09:59 vfernandes damn it appears in mapping but not in the framework
09:59 vfernandes it's possible to add it right?
10:01 rangi should be
10:01 vfernandes omg forget it...
10:01 vfernandes the field has many subfields that creates another page
10:01 vfernandes the y subfield is in another page
10:03 vfernandes thanks ragi and slef... :D
10:04 vfernandes * rangi
10:04 slef vfernandes: thanks. You're welcome.
10:05 vfernandes its the first time using MARC21 so there is many things different from UNIMARC
10:07 mtompset I suppose that removing NoZebra means that the _AddBiblioNoZebra function will be removed from C4::Biblio.pm?
10:09 rangi theres a patch to do just that already
10:10 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=9903
10:10 rangi attached to bug 7430
10:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7430 normal, P3, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , ModZebra should not be in C4::Biblio
10:11 mtompset In the midst of my confusion over Zebra/NoZebra... I actually modified some broken NoZebra code on our production machine.
10:11 mtompset I'm just doing some file compares to make sure that any changes I have done have made it into master, or if they were already fixed.
10:18 mtompset What component is C4::Breeding.pm?
10:20 mtj mtompset: its an experimental module, to enable Koha to make babies
10:20 eythian rangi: good to see Koha is printed on the top of the new round of Catalyst cycling gear :)
10:22 mtompset ha ha ha... It triggered an error and I patched it, so I'd like to bug report and post a patch.
10:22 eythian isn't that what handles marc staging, or am I wrong?
10:22 eythian I think it's a weird library term
10:23 mtj yeah, thats it real usage
10:23 mtompset perhaps...
10:24 mtj afaik, its a frenglish translation
10:24 mtj ask paul_p about it :p
10:24 rangi eythian: yep i might have to get some
10:24 mtompset I did find something about 'module to add biblios to import_records...'
10:24 rangi we could send some to slef :)
10:25 eythian rangi: for your ... bike?
10:25 eythian heh
10:25 rangi i own 3 bikes
10:25 mtompset So, I guess staging/import is what I'm looking for.
10:25 mtompset 3 bikes?!
10:25 rangi i just dont often ride them :)
10:25 mtompset Why would you need 3?
10:25 rangi since i left uni
10:26 rangi i have an old 10 speed, and 2 mountain bikes, one is a downhill one, which is pretty much useless for anything else, i should get some new tyres for the other one
10:26 rangi i know a lot of people with more than 3
10:27 slef I have one on the west coast and have borrowed one on the east coast.
10:27 slef I'm still pondering getting a folder because mass transport here is so anti-bike.
10:27 rangi 3.2.4 ?? why on earth would someone be trying to install that
10:28 slef Trains are often limited to 2 non-folders by policy, even though the trains vary between 0 and 8 cycle racks. Buses? hahahahaha
10:28 eythian looks like they're following a really old tutorial
10:28 mtompset Because they were running 2.X and 3.4 says it can't upgrade from it?
10:28 slef Some of the buses in Scotland actually have racks, I hear. I'm not sure I blieve that.
10:28 mtompset I'm guessing.
10:29 slef rangi: do you use armoured tyres over there?
10:29 eythian slef: the council in Wellington said the busses were going to get racks about 2017 or so, but I think there was enough of a stink that they're bringing it forward.
10:29 rangi i honestly havent ridden on the road in years
10:29 eythian I don't on the road, just regular tyres.
10:29 eythian I just bike around the glass :)
10:29 rangi i rode every weekday for 7 years at uni, but never really have in wellington
10:29 slef some of Wellington's roads didn't look much fun, narrow with too many cars going too fast
10:30 rangi yeah most cyclists at catalyst have been collected at least once
10:30 rangi i think eythian not yet
10:30 eythian the only (non-self-inflicted) accident I've had was hitting a pedestrian who walked into the road without looking.
10:31 eythian She was lucky I wasn't a bus.
10:32 eythian I've learnt how to make cars do what I want them to do for the most part :)
10:33 mtompset Sounds manipulative. :P
10:34 slef the only non-self-inflicted accident I remember is being rear-ended by another cyclist
10:34 slef usually I ride into stuff
10:34 eythian Really it boils down to "bike like a car would drive" :)
10:34 slef cars, kerbs, ...
10:34 eythian in slef's case, I'd also add "look forwards"
10:35 slef I was looking forwards. The last failure I recall was expecting the car to pull away from the lights faster than it did.
10:35 slef kerbs tend to be the usual "failing to cross as a sharp enough angle" error
10:36 slef oh actually the last failure was me crashing into my own bike while walking
10:36 slef that took some doing
10:36 slef (collected myself with a pedal while turning)
10:37 * slef replies with "sarge is dead. Upgrade"
10:37 slef it must be oldies day!
10:38 rangi earthquake
10:38 wahanui i heard earthquake was on the news
10:38 eythian I didn't feel it.
10:39 eythian Although, I think if I did, half of the buildings here would have fallen down.
10:39 kf_lunch that's probably likely
10:39 rangi i hope that was centered here
10:39 rangi else somewhere is a mess
10:40 kf strong?
10:40 mtj meh, felt quite biggish :/
10:40 rangi we dont usually feel them in this house
10:40 rangi yep
10:40 rangi and long
10:40 rangi which usually means its far away
10:41 eythian http://beta.geonet.org.nz/
10:41 eythian 6.5
10:42 rangi ouch
10:42 kf :(
10:42 eythian but, in Wellington
10:42 kf but it's still labelled as moderate?
10:42 eythian or nearby anyway
10:42 rangi must have been deep
10:42 eythian kf: yeah, it's not a 7 :)
10:42 eythian 258
10:43 eythian that's pretty deep
10:43 rangi yeah
10:43 rangi thats what saved us
10:43 eythian also further away than the map makes it look like
10:44 rangi yep
10:44 eythian <lamiette> guys, we are listening to Kristina at this conf
10:44 eythian <lamiette> middle of her talking "shit, earthquake *lots of noise - kristina making it to doorway*"
10:45 rangi yeah, it was decent
10:45 rangi the dogs flipped out
10:45 eythian (the conf being in the UK, and kristina videoing in)
10:45 lamiette we couldn't see her at this stage
10:45 lamiette just hear it
10:45 lamiette the room then looked at me for confirmation it'd be okay ...
10:45 kf :( did she come back since?
10:46 lamiette yeah, she's still talking
10:46 lamiette sounded seriously impressive
10:46 rangi yeah it was about 5 seconds
10:47 eythian stuff.co.nz is pretty slow.
10:47 eythian but has no news :)
10:48 rangi opunake
10:48 rangi thats a long way away
10:49 rangi lucky only 4 people live ther
10:49 rangi e
10:50 lamiette geonet has it in the water?
10:50 rangi yeah 60k west of opunake
10:50 rangi so would have felt in in new plymouth
10:51 rangi heya anitsirk :)
10:51 anitsirk hi guys. i hope rangi is fine in his house.
10:51 rangi i am
10:51 anitsirk i had a bit of a shock as my building had never shaken that much before. but then i'd not have a 6.5 quake in welly before.
10:52 anitsirk great to read that.
10:52 anitsirk are the kids ok?
10:52 rangi it was up near new plymouth
10:52 lamiette anitsirk seriously made my heart leap listening to you
10:52 anitsirk oh my.
10:52 rangi and 257km down
10:52 rangi they slept thru it .. nzers :-)
10:53 kf hi anitsirk
10:53 anitsirk now they said it's 7.0
10:53 rangi ohhh shit
10:54 anitsirk yeah. it was something.
10:54 anitsirk and it was a long one
10:54 slef bah the email I replied to was a second thread by the posted of the 3.2.4 rangi mentioned earlier
10:54 slef multiposters--
10:56 kf davidnind++ #answering mailing list mails :)
10:58 rangi http://geonet.org.nz/earthquake/drums/ kapow!
10:59 rangi there's pretty much nowhere that didnt feel that
10:59 davidnind Thanks kf. I can generally only answer the simpler things to date..
11:02 davidnind Was a quite a shake! Biggest one I've felt in Wellington for a while (maybe ever?).
11:02 rangi anitsirk: now you have to wait for the adrenalin to wear off before you can sleep?
11:03 rangi davidnind: wasnt it just
11:03 anitsirk you bet. i'm uploading the presentation to slideshare. might as well get it done.
11:04 davidnind Bit of a worry when you are in an older flat on stilts on the side of a hill!
11:05 rangi ahh wellington ... we live on a convergence of fault lines, lets build stilt houses on hills!!
11:06 eythian also, the governmetn :)
11:06 anitsirk rangi: i can't report my "did you feel it" report as that geonet page is down. it seems to happen whenever there is a big quake
11:07 anitsirk hi eythian. you missed the action
11:07 eythian so I heard :)
11:07 eythian geonet has got a lot better in recent years, used to be you could tell how big a quake was by how long it took to respond.
11:07 eythian Now it's only for something really big that it slows down.
11:08 rangi yep
11:09 mtompset shoot! I hate fixing something, and then realizing there is a secondary bug to fix as a result.
11:11 mtompset Is there a book or thing that would be entered into koha with the title '0' (without the quotes)?
11:12 rangi its certainly possible
11:12 * kf nods
11:13 mtompset What about an author's name?
11:13 mtompset Would anyone change their full legal name to '0'?
11:15 eythian yes
11:15 eythian I'm sure it's happened
11:15 kf lol
11:15 kf maybe as a pseudonym
11:17 rangi mtompset: trying to guess all the possible valid things is the path to madness, just check its non empty
11:21 kf ok, someone with as uggestion for a nice special library's opac? :)
11:22 mtompset it's the difference between if ($var) and if (defined($var))
11:22 rangi plantandfood?
11:23 davidnind https://library.plantandfood.co.nz/
11:23 wahanui rumour has it https://library.plantandfood.co.nz/ is a research library
11:23 kf heh
11:23 kf almost all my examples are nz!
11:23 kf pretty opacs
11:23 mtompset And rangi... I'm already Craaaaaazy! ;)
11:25 mtompset But when dealing with if ($var) you need to run through a couple cases. :)
11:27 mtompset Isn't jcamins renaming a bunch of C4 libraries to Koha?
11:27 rangi ok, animals are all calm after that shake, time to hit the hay
11:28 mtompset Have a good night. :)
11:28 jcamins mtompset: I rewrote some things.
11:28 kf good night
11:28 kf hope no more earthquake
11:28 kf s
11:28 mtompset What about C4::Breeding?
11:29 jcamins I won't be doing anything with it.
11:29 mtompset Okay, so I should keep submitting my patches for it. :)
11:29 jcamins Yup.
11:30 mtompset bug 8349
11:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8349 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Attempted string substitution in C4::Breeding fails on undefined
11:33 kf hi libsysguy - how is the new job?
11:33 libsysguy morning kf
11:33 libsysguy its good, picking up lots of new processes
11:34 libsysguy you know, usual new job stuff :p
11:40 libsysguy interest in
11:44 mtompset okay... when I 'git checkout master'
11:44 mtompset it tells me I am 13 commits behind.
11:44 mtompset What does that mean?
11:45 eythian that means that your version of 'master' is 13 commits behind 'origin/master'
11:45 mtompset And so how do I correct that?
11:46 jcamins _This_ is where you do a git pull.
11:46 eythian it depends what you want to do really
11:46 eythian I never use my local master branch to avoid confusion.
11:46 * jcamins doesn't either.
11:46 * libsysguy doesn't either
11:47 libsysguy just to have something to go back to when i invariably screw up
11:47 mtompset So you just git fetch and the create new bug branches without going back to master?
11:47 jcamins Right.
11:47 eythian I always create branches off of kc/master
11:47 jcamins I check out kc/master when I want to see if a problem exists in master.
11:47 libsysguy heh
11:48 eythian yeah, but I deliberately do that in a detached head, so if I mess up and try to commit something, it tells me.
11:48 jcamins eythian: someone else who has the git.k-c.org repo named kc? Cool!
11:48 mtompset but if you are doing git pulls to master, then wouldn't that make 'master' the place to check if it exists in master?
11:48 jcamins eythian: right.
11:48 eythian I don't do git pulls to master
11:48 eythian I always use kc/master
11:48 eythian (which may be origin/master in your case)
11:49 eythian I pretty much never use git pull tbh
11:50 * jcamins has never used git pull.
11:50 jcamins kf++
11:51 eythian I do if multiple people are working on a feature branch.
11:51 jcamins eythian: oh, that makes sense. Not something that happens very often for me.
11:52 eythian it's not too common for me either.
11:52 kf lonely developers of koha? ;)
11:52 eythian though, git pull == git fetch && git merge, I habitually do them separately.
11:53 jcamins I do use git mere occasionally, when signing off on things.
11:54 * libsysguy is waiting to see jcamins use the blame function in git
11:54 eythian I don't do that for that. I just 'git bz apply' and then 'git commit --amend -s'
11:54 jcamins That was supposed to be "merge"
11:54 eythian libsysguy: svn has 'blame' and 'praise' as synonyms.
11:55 * jcamins uses git blame all the time.
11:55 libsysguy and that is why you shouldn't use svn...
11:55 jcamins libsysguy: it's too forgiving?
11:55 libsysguy among other things :p
12:08 mtompset Okay... question.
12:08 wahanui well, question is "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?"
12:08 mtompset I found a bug... fixed it... and then found a secondary bug.
12:08 jcamins mtompset++ # for fixing the bug
12:09 mtompset I bug reported the fixed the first bug.
12:09 mtompset BUT...
12:09 mtompset the secondary bug is tied in with the first bug.
12:09 mtompset Take a look at C4::Breeding.pm
12:10 mtompset Around line 182
12:10 mtompset You can't substitute on a null.
12:10 mtompset So, I figured move the search into the if statement below.
12:11 mtompset Then I looked at the if statement.
12:11 mtompset And realized that 0,'0','',NULL, and everything other string cases don't work the same.
12:12 mtompset Now, I figured since the first three wouldn't have a space to substitute there's no problem.
12:12 mtompset BUT... there's still that ugly set of if statements to fix.
12:12 mtompset because there could be a title, author or isbn number '0'
12:13 mtompset How do I mark the two bugs related in bugzilla?
12:13 jcamins There's a see also field.
12:14 jcamins You could also say the second bug depends on the first bug, if the first bug needs to be fixed before the second.
12:16 mtompset Well, I think I'll see also field them both, and let whoever pushes things forward figure out the best course of action.
12:17 jcamins mtompset: you'll be responsible for rebasing if one of the patches is pushed before the other.
12:18 mtompset Uh, what do you mean by that?
12:19 jcamins If bug one's patch can only be applied *before* bug two, and someone signs off on bug two first because it is easier to test, the patch for bug one will no longer apply.
12:19 jcamins At that point, depending on the complexity of the patches, bug one will probably be marked "Does not apply" and you'll be asked to revise the patch so that it will apply.
12:20 mtompset If the push 2, before 1, then 1 is already solved.
12:20 mtompset if they push 1 before 2, the yes, I'll have to fix the patch up for 2.
12:20 jcamins In that case, I suggest you mark bug one a duplicate of bug two.
12:20 mtompset Okay.
12:21 mtompset Did mean to enter a duplicate. :(
12:21 mtompset Didn't...
12:21 mtompset DOH!
12:22 jcamins They may not actually be duplicate bugs, but if the patch for the second can completely fix the first as well, better to just have one patch.
12:22 mtompset true.
12:33 mtompset There bug 8349 and bug 8350 dealt with.
12:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8349 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Attempted string substitution in C4::Breeding fails on undefined
12:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8350 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , $search = '0' or 0 will fail to affect SQL statement correctly in C4::Breeding
12:35 kf mtompset: I was right, eh? after the first patch it's easy :)
12:35 mtompset Yes, but I'm still struggling with git.
12:38 mtompset I'm just reconciling my bug fixes on our production system with what I have submitted to make sure they are all there.
12:43 kf :)
12:43 mtompset Just a couple haven't made it.
13:13 mtompset Well, now I'm wondering if I was being over cautious in some of my patches.
13:14 mtompset I'm trying to set $v => 1 in a hash but have $v as undefined.
13:14 mtompset Seems the hash reference of that passed to a subfunction is treated the same as ''
13:16 eythian I would expect it to also throw a warning.
13:16 mtompset yes, but nothing fatal.
13:18 eythian No, it won't. But avoiding warnings is good, there's already far too many of them.
13:18 mtompset yes, but this fix I put into our system would have been AFTER the warning.
13:18 eythian ah right
13:18 mtompset So my fix is overkilled.
13:19 mtompset though, I suppose there could be an improvement in the code.
13:20 mtompset $query .= " AND $key LIKE ?"; -- the $key length isn't checked.
13:20 mtompset push @query_parameters, "%$where->{$key}%";
13:20 mtompset And neither is the value of the $where, which is the hashref that is passed to the function.
13:21 mtompset or $where->{$key}
13:21 mtompset I figure a if defined and 2 length checks would optimize the generation of SQL statements.
13:22 mtompset But it's late... I'll think about that tomorrow.
13:22 eythian why length checks?
13:25 mtompset Why would you do a "blah like %%"?
13:26 mtompset and how do you do a "where '' like 'string'"?
13:26 mtompset if the key is 0 length, clearly there's no need to build that part of the SQL either.
13:30 mtompset I was only pondering this code because my bug 8329 has a modification in the same module.
13:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8329 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , GetLostItems in C4::Items.pm has a SELECT *
13:32 mtompset Have a good day (24 hour period), I'm off.
13:32 * mtompset waves.
14:43 eythian <subfield code="d">2012-06-22</subfield>
14:43 eythian <subfield code="c">STACK</subfield>
14:43 eythian I wonder why they bought something to put it straight on the stack
14:44 jcamins eythian: academic?
14:44 eythian public
14:44 eythian though a small one
14:44 jcamins Okay, that's weird.
14:44 SJeffery why weird?
14:44 jcamins Academics do it all the time.
14:44 eythian I suppose it could be something they like to keep a copy of and something happened to the previous one.
14:45 jcamins SJeffery: buying a new book for closed stacks in a public library?
14:45 jcamins Maybe it's a controversial book?
14:45 eythian Moby Dick?
14:46 jcamins lol
14:46 jcamins Probably not.
14:47 SJeffery It does have a swear word in the title...that could upset some people...
14:47 eythian Not here, i think :)
14:59 wizzyrea for those of you who think kansas is barren wasteland: http://instagram.com/p/MmwBejtAru/
15:00 eythian sure, but that's what it looked like in the 70's!
15:00 wizzyrea haha
15:01 wizzyrea oh eythian your snark is priceless :)
15:01 eythian I do practice in front of a mirror to perfect it, you know.
15:02 kf lol
15:02 kf about the book, maybe they don't expect many loans?
15:02 * wizzyrea giggles
15:02 kf I mean... moby dick, quite a lot pages
15:02 relish Bluevaganza? Sounds like a Jane Fonda word. https://sparklinggnome.wordpress.com (link from http://instagram.com/p/MmwBejtAru)
15:05 wizzyrea lol oy.
15:05 wizzyrea (that's one of my librarians, if you can imagine)
15:06 wizzyrea (she's cool though)
15:06 wizzyrea (despite the "bluevaganza")
15:21 tcohen hi #koha
15:21 tcohen can anyone recognise this?
15:21 tcohen "Can't call method "field" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Items.pm line 1367."
15:21 tcohen (.deb 3.8.x install)
15:22 eythian what do you do right before it happens?
15:22 tcohen i'm in the circulation log report
15:22 tcohen clicking on an item
15:24 tcohen looks like there is some linkage data missing?
15:25 eythian could be.
15:25 khall bug 8352 ready for signoff if anyone is interested
15:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8352 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Add automatic printing of 'hold to pull' notices
15:26 tcohen i don't know why there should be that info on the record
15:32 gaetan_B bye #koha !
15:48 tcohen are there some sanity checks for koha DB? missing sysprefs, unused sysprefs, invalid data?
15:49 tcohen i need to find out the cause of this error or i'll be axed!
15:52 wizzyrea the first question?
15:52 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?"
15:55 Rakesh hi
15:56 hdl tcohen: you have some checksysprefs t files.
15:57 hdl in order to know which sysprefs are missing.
15:57 Rakesh hi any 1 there
15:57 tcohen thanks hdl
15:57 jcamins tcohen: unfortunately, there is no script to tell you if you are lacking any sysprefs in your database.
15:57 tcohen its a 3.1.x -> 3.8.x upgrade
15:58 tcohen and i'm having trouble when requesting items info
15:58 hdl And if you are trying to see the sanity for DB structure, julian developped something but not ported to community.
15:58 tcohen (trying to circulate, from old circulation logs, etc)
15:58 jcamins tcohen: and you didn't have this problem on your test server?
15:58 Rakesh i have installed all the perl modules
15:58 tcohen i'm on the test server right now
15:58 Rakesh and in the koha directory
15:58 tcohen my problem is that i'm running out of time
15:59 jcamins Rakesh: you should tell us what your question is.
15:59 kf tcohen: what exactly is your problem?
15:59 kf sorry if I missed the description
15:59 hdl jcamins: there is. check_sysprefs.pl in misc ?
15:59 jcamins hdl: really?
15:59 jcamins Awesome!
15:59 * jcamins never heard of that.
15:59 tcohen kf: "Can't call method "subfield" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 2965."
16:00 kf ok
16:00 kf you are updating from 3.1 to 3.8?
16:00 * kf read back
16:00 jcamins tcohen: that's not the error message you pasted earlier.
16:00 kf have you run the script to remove items from the marc xml?
16:00 jcamins hdl++
16:00 tcohen jcamins: you're right!
16:00 hdl and in master biblibre, in xt files, you can find syspref.t and check_syspref.t
16:01 tcohen jcamins: unfortunately, i have both...
16:01 jcamins hdl: we have the syspref tests, but they only check the codebase, not the database.
16:01 Rakesh i have run the command to check that i have installled all the perl modules
16:02 hdl those two in our repository are doing that.
16:03 Rakesh i ran the to check that everything is installed and i havwe instaled everything but still it says that i have not completed the installation of modules
16:03 jcamins Ah, very cool!
16:03 hdl if you feel lucky, test, and if you enjoy it share that with the community.
16:03 jcamins hdl: "lucky"? ;)
16:04 hdl jcamins: we have been using that for quite a number of things now.
16:04 hdl so works.
16:04 jcamins hdl: so, no need for luck.
16:05 hdl but could need some more documentation to help the user.
16:05 libsysguy oleonard has been working on jqueryui integration right?
16:05 wizzyrea yes
16:05 hdl there is a branch on his repo about that.
16:05 jcamins libsysguy: yes, under no circumstances should you use YUI for something new.
16:06 libsysguy is that implemented?
16:06 jcamins Parts.
16:06 jcamins He's doing it one control at a time.
16:06 Rakesh hey please i ve a serious issue'
16:06 libsysguy thanks jcamins, hdl, and wizzyrea
16:06 jcamins libsysguy: which control are you working with?
16:07 libsysguy sco
16:07 eythian Rakesh: you're going to have to provide more info.
16:07 libsysguy low on the todem i would imagine
16:07 eythian versions of things, for example.
16:07 jcamins libsysguy: I mean, which JQueryUI control.
16:07 tcohen kf: i've ran that script, but running it again
16:07 libsysguy oh lol
16:07 libsysguy dialog
16:07 Rakesh see i have installed all the perl dependencies
16:07 tcohen this time not using the koha-upgrade-to-3.4 wrapper but the script
16:07 jcamins libsysguy: oleonard is changing every instance of each control he works on.
16:07 eythian copy-paste what you're seeing into a paste bin, stuff like that.
16:07 jcamins Rakesh: what version of Koha are you using?
16:07 libsysguy jcamins, isn't that going to mess with updating it?
16:08 jcamins What do you mean?
16:08 libsysguy maybe im misunderstanding...he is modifying the core of the ui modules?
16:08 jcamins No.
16:08 libsysguy oh
16:08 jcamins He's changing from YUI autocomplete to JQueryUI autocomplete.
16:09 Rakesh and i ran the command ./koha_perl_deps.pl -m to check that everything installed
16:09 libsysguy ahhh ok i understand
16:09 Rakesh it gave me 8 dependencies to install
16:09 wizzyrea ok so, tcohen - you are trying to click through to an item from the log, and it's giving the error?
16:09 jcamins Rakesh: what version of Koha do you have?
16:09 Rakesh and i install all 8 via apt-get
16:09 tcohen wizzyrea: right
16:09 jcamins Rakesh: so far, you have told us NOTHING that we can use to troubleshoot your problem.
16:09 Rakesh i have 3.8,1
16:09 jcamins Details are important.
16:09 jcamins Copy the output you're seeing into paste.koha-community.org.
16:09 tcohen and a similar one in circulation.pl
16:09 wizzyrea tcohen: can you get through to items at all?
16:10 Rakesh and still it gives me the error that two dependencies are not installed
16:10 tcohen wizzyrea: don't get it
16:10 wizzyrea i mean, can you search for a title, click on the detail, and see the items?
16:10 wizzyrea can you click on items and edit them?
16:10 eythian Rakesh: maybe you installed the wrong things. But we don't know because you're not telling us exactly what it says.
16:10 wizzyrea from the catalog detail
16:11 Rakesh ya it tells that
16:11 Rakesh Libget:Stem:Snowball is nott installed
16:11 Rakesh but i checked it through cpan that it is installed
16:12 Rakesh and Graphics: magick also gives the same error
16:12 wizzyrea Rakesh: try apt-get install liblingua-stem-snowball-perl
16:12 eythian what does apt-cache policy liblingua-stem-snowball-perl say?
16:12 eythian Rakesh: ^
16:12 wizzyrea keke
16:12 Rakesh it says that it is to the newest version
16:12 wizzyrea graphics magick is always a problem. You can safely ignore it
16:12 wizzyrea for now
16:13 Rakesh kk
16:13 Rakesh and for the package Lingua:Stem:Snowball?
16:13 eythian Rakesh: and what does it say is the latet version?
16:15 Rakesh yes thesnowball package also says that it is installed but the command ./koha_perl_deps.pl -m shows that it is not installed'
16:15 Rakesh :s
16:16 * drojf offers general afternoon popcorn to everybody
16:16 jcamins drojf: lol
16:16 jcamins Thanks.
16:17 eythian Rakesh: run this command: perl -MLingua::Stem::Snowball -e 'print "OK\n";'
16:17 eythian and see what it says
16:17 Rakesh in cpan?
16:17 eythian no, on the command line
16:18 jcamins drojf: I hope it's kettle corn.
16:18 Rakesh kk let me check
16:18 eythian also, when you ran the apt-cache policy command, what version did it say?
16:19 Rakesh i didnt run apt-cache policy command?
16:19 eythian Rakesh: then why did you answer when I told you to run it before?
16:19 eythian liblingua-stem-snowball-perl
16:19 eythian <eythian> what does apt-cache policy liblingua-stem-snowball-perl say?
16:19 eythian <Rakesh> it says that it is to the newest version
16:19 drojf lol
16:19 Rakesh o sorry
16:19 Rakesh very sory
16:20 drojf jcamins: a huge kettle of kettle corn ;)
16:20 jcamins drojf: awesome! Shari loves kettle corn.
16:20 eythian gar, my circulation merging script forgot to take into account returns between the file versions.
16:20 eythian Drat.
16:21 jcamins eythian: uh-oh.
16:21 eythian yeah.
16:21 jcamins Hm.
16:21 eythian fortunately, everyone is asleep now
16:21 jcamins This is an *awesome* script.
16:21 eythian and the script is (in theory) idempotent
16:21 eythian so I just need to implement handling of returns and it should work.
16:22 * jcamins hopes you're right about it being idempotent. :P
16:23 eythian me too
16:23 Rakesh perl -MLingua::Stem::Snowball -e 'print "OK\n";' says the following
16:25 eythian that you're taking so long to reply leads me to think that it's not saying "OK"
16:27 Rakesh cant load 'usr/local/lib/perl/5.14.2/auto/Lingua/Stem/Snowball/Snowball.so' for the module Lingua::Stem::Snowball: usr/local/lib/perl5.14.2/auto/Lingua/stem/snowball/Snowball.so: wrong ELF class: wrong ELF class:ELFCLASS32 at /usr/lib/perl/5.14/Dynaloader.pm line 184
16:27 Rakesh at -e lne0
16:28 Rakesh srry at -e line 0
16:28 Rakesh compilation failed in require
16:28 Rakesh Begin failed--compilation aborted
16:28 eythian you have installed the wrong version of the package.
16:28 eythian you have installed the 32 bit version on a 64 bit machine.
16:28 Rakesh so how to correct it
16:29 eythian if you had only ran the apt-cache policy command, it probably would have said as much
16:29 Rakesh i also think that can u please give me the correct command via apt-get to install a64 bit version of this
16:29 eythian probably remove that package and install the proper one.
16:29 eythian I don't know how you'd install the 32-bit version to be honest.
16:29 eythian What debian version are you using?
16:30 Rakesh okk so u think that the package version is wrong
16:30 eythian I don't know, you still haven't told me what the apt-cache policy command says
16:30 Rakesh i am ubuntu server 12.04 64 bit
16:30 Rakesh ya i will give u in detail
16:30 Rakesh what it said
16:31 Rakesh it says that
16:32 Rakesh installed: 0.952-2build2
16:32 Rakesh Candidate 0.952-2build2
16:32 Rakesh Version table
16:33 Rakesh *** 0.952-2build2 0
16:33 eythian well that's wierd
16:33 eythian because the path: usr/local/lib/perl/5.14.2/auto/Lingua/Stem/Snowball/Snowball.so
16:33 eythian suggest that you have installed it twice,.
16:33 eythian the local one is probably installed through CPAN
16:34 eythian that was a bad idea.
16:34 Rakesh 500 http://in.archive.ubutntu.com/ubuntu/precise/universe amd64 packages
16:34 eythian you'll have to remove all the things you installed through CPAN and do it properly.
16:34 Rakesh 100 var/lib/dpkg/ststus
16:34 eythian (also, you should probably copy-paste, it'll make life so much easier)
16:34 * drojf giggles
16:35 Rakesh actually i have no gui running on it so how i can copy paste
16:35 eythian ssh into it?
16:35 Rakesh so should i remove the package and reinstalll it
16:35 eythian (i'm not going to explain how to do that, ask your systems administrator)
16:35 jcamins This is why the instructions say very clearly to only use Debian packages and not CPAN for those packages that are available.
16:35 eythian no, you need to remove it from however it got installed in /usr/local
16:36 eythian I think you have used CPAN and made everything really confused.
16:36 Rakesh kk
16:36 drojf also, rangi said it 10 hours ago. ten times at least
16:36 jcamins Rakesh: you have to uninstall it via CPAN. You will need to figure out how to do that.
16:36 drojf just sayin'
16:36 Rakesh actually i dont no the command and how to uninstall
16:36 eythian if only someone were to set up a handy package repository containing everything you need...
16:36 jcamins Rakesh: you'll have to figure it out, then.
16:36 Rakesh kk
16:36 drojf eythian: that would be witchcraft
16:37 Rakesh please guide how to uninstall
16:37 eythian http://lmgtfy.com/?q=uninstalling+through+cpan <-- Rakesh
16:38 jcamins Bug 8353 is pretty darn cool.
16:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8353 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Add test to compare sysprefs in db to syspref.sql
16:38 eythian ohh nice
16:39 jcamins Of course, I assigned it to me rather than the author of the patch...
16:39 * jcamins fixes it.
16:41 * eythian thinks lmgtfy has got a lot less sarcastic over the years.
16:42 drojf heh
16:42 jcamins I don't know, it's still pretty snarky and wonderful. :)
16:43 * jcamins is a big fan of the mouse cursor animation
16:43 drojf but people you send there just see it as a service now
16:43 eythian I'm sure the text used to be a bit more ... bitey.
16:44 jcamins Heh.
16:44 eythian ahh
16:44 eythian I'm confusing it with jfgi
16:44 kf bye all :)
16:44 drojf lol
16:44 Rakesh well eythian
16:44 drojf bye kf
16:44 Rakesh i saw the guide to uninstall'
16:45 Rakesh and it says to install cpanplus
16:45 Rakesh first and i would like to tell u
16:45 jcamins Then you should do that. This is why you should follow instructions.
16:45 jcamins Much easier to do it right the first time. :)
16:46 eythian hrm, I don't think I know what cpanplus is
16:46 Rakesh yes
16:46 jcamins eythian: ooh, I like jfgi.
16:46 Rakesh but while installing it also it says make would not test and install
16:46 eythian http://search.cpan.org/~bingos/CPANPLUS-0.9130/lib/CPANPLUS.pm <-- interesting, wonder how that differs from regular cpan
16:47 jcamins You should do some research online to find out if that is a problem.
16:47 Rakesh ya
16:47 Rakesh but theres something
16:48 Rakesh actually i had installled koha on ubuntu 11.10 desktop
16:48 Rakesh and it worked like a charm
16:48 Rakesh with no errors
16:48 jcamins You probably followed the instructions that time.
16:49 Rakesh and when i tried it to install it on 12.04 64 bit server it gives the following errors
16:49 eythian hmm
16:49 Rakesh would the new version be the problem
16:49 Rakesh no i followed the instructions
16:49 eythian My best guess is that something you did the first time doesn't work on 64-bit
16:49 eythian but I use the apt methods for everything, so I'm not sure what it would be.
16:49 jcamins You used CPAN so you demonstrably did *not* follow the instructions this time.
16:49 Rakesh so what should i do now install a 32-bit server
16:50 eythian no, that would be unnecessary
16:50 Rakesh kk
16:50 jcamins If you would prefer a 32-bit server, sure. However, I use 64-bit only. I just follow the instructions when installing.
16:50 Rakesh so what should i do now
16:50 eythian I'd move the /usr/local/lib/perl out of the way
16:50 eythian I think that's what's causing the problems
16:50 jcamins You need to uninstall everything you installed with CPAN, and reinstall things correctly, using apt.
16:51 Rakesh can u give me the link from where u read to install
16:51 jcamins installing koha?
16:51 wahanui well, installing koha is one thing. Doing development with it is something else.
16:51 eythian I suspect that with that gone, perl will use the regular versions which should work better.
16:51 Rakesh kk and how to do that'
16:51 jcamins koha on debian?
16:51 wahanui rumour has it koha on debian is installed and http://10.16.18.71:8080/ works fine. Now how do I configure the OPAC? entering IP address of the pc in Oak's local network just returns: "It works! This is the default web page for this server."
16:51 jcamins Installing Koha on debian?
16:51 jcamins Koha 3.8 on Debian?
16:51 Rakesh yes
16:51 jcamins Hm.
16:51 eythian package installation?
16:51 eythian damn
16:51 eythian I was sure it was in there
16:51 jcamins http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.8_on_Debian_Squeeze
16:51 jcamins ^^ that page
16:51 wahanui i think ^^ that page is *great*
16:52 eythian no wahanui, koha on debian is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.6_on_Debian_Squeeze
16:52 wahanui okay, eythian.
16:52 drojf wahanui botsnack beer
16:52 wahanui thanks drojf :)
16:52 eythian no wahanui, koha on debian is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.8_on_Debian_Squeeze
16:52 wahanui okay, eythian.
16:52 Rakesh please give me the guide page
16:53 jcamins Rakesh: I just did.
16:53 eythian Rakesh: dude, it's been posted 3 time in the past minute
16:53 Rakesh to install it on ubuntu 12.04 64 bit server
16:53 jcamins That page we just posted.
16:53 jcamins Three times.
16:53 Rakesh but thats for debian
16:53 jcamins It works the same.
16:53 eythian debian is very similar to Ubuntu
16:53 jcamins Just follow the instructions.
16:53 Rakesh okk
16:53 Rakesh i will try that'
16:53 * eythian needs to make the packages happier with Ubuntu and do more testing on it really.
16:54 jcamins paul_p: signed off on your follow-up for bug 8202.
16:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8202 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Add authorities to export tool
16:55 Rakesh okk i must try that and then report u al
16:55 Rakesh thnx guys
16:55 Rakesh bye fir now
16:55 Rakesh srry
16:55 eythian Rakesh: this way is a lot easier
16:55 Rakesh bye for now
16:55 Rakesh okk
16:55 Rakesh bii
16:55 eythian but, still remove the perl stuff in /usr/local
16:55 Rakesh and thnx again
16:55 Rakesh okk
16:55 Rakesh i think i must do a clean install of the server again
16:56 Rakesh that would be the best
16:56 Rakesh isnt it?
16:56 eythian yeah
16:56 eythian if you can, install debain
16:56 eythian *debian
16:56 eythian it's more likely to work well
16:56 eythian but ubuntu should be mostly OK too.
16:58 jcamins coding guidelines?
16:58 wahanui coding guidelines are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines
16:58 Rakesh mostly ok ? :)
16:58 Rakesh please tell me the final bro
16:58 Rakesh does it work
16:59 eythian I haven't tested it, so I can't confirm.
16:59 jcamins Rakesh: no one here uses Koha on Ubuntu.
16:59 eythian I use it on Debian.
16:59 Rakesh okk
16:59 Rakesh so debian has a gui?
16:59 eythian if you install it, yeah
16:59 eythian but it's not the best idea to put a gui on a server.
17:00 Rakesh ya i think so
17:00 Rakesh does debian has a server/
17:01 jcamins A "server" is a computer that serves things to the internet. Debian is often used for servers. Ubuntu is too, sometimes.
17:01 jcamins Koha runs on a server.
17:01 jcamins That server can run Debian or Ubuntu.
17:01 jcamins Most people use Debian.
17:02 Rakesh ya
17:02 Rakesh so please give me the link to download debian server
17:02 eythian Really?
17:02 Rakesh just like ubuntu server is another distro
17:02 eythian I mean, if you were to type "debian" into a browser, you'd find the download link immediately
17:03 eythian You spent longer asking for the link than it would take you to find it.
17:03 Rakesh oh just joking bro
17:03 eythian ...
17:03 Rakesh i was just asking u that does trdebian has a server distro just like ubuntu has ubuntu desktop and ubuntu server
17:04 drojf all the time?
17:04 eythian not really.
17:05 jcamins drojf: All the time?
17:05 sv our library has koha 2.0.0 can we upgrade to 3.04.0
17:06 jcamins sv: the short answer is "probably," the long answer is "as far as I know," and the detailed answer is "I have no idea how." :)
17:06 drojf jcamins: just joking
17:06 eythian sv: yes, though you know that koha 3.08 is out right?
17:06 eythian sv: it is possible, it will take time though, it's the easiest thing in the world.
17:06 senator Rakesh: ubuntu chooses to make specialized distros for servers and desktops separately. debian (and many other distros) make no such distinction. debian is just debian.
17:07 sv k. tell me upgradation linux commands
17:07 eythian err
17:07 jcamins I think eythian means "not the easiest thing in the world."
17:07 eythian when I said...
17:07 eythian yeah, that
17:07 wahanui yeah, that is cool - a way to enhance the OPAC without bloating Koha...
17:08 * eythian also just forgot that arrays start at 0, it's one of those days.
17:08 jcamins eythian: not if you change the array start index magic constant.
17:08 eythian jcamins: I would not do that.
17:08 eythian sv: there are no upgradation linux commands. It's basically a migration.
17:08 drojf you can do that?
17:08 eythian drojf: you can
17:08 jcamins drojf: yes, don't.
17:08 eythian drojf: $[
17:09 drojf sounds like a great idea to drive people crazy. and by people i mean myself, after forgetting about it
17:09 sv ok. tell me the migration procedure
17:09 eythian mostly used in the old days of emulating awk, which is 1-indexed.
17:09 jcamins I wonder if you could do $[ = -1. :D
17:10 drojf hm my internet connection is really bad today. i try another reconnect
17:10 jcamins sv: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Upgrading_2.2
17:10 eythian http://lmgtfy.com/?q=upgrading+koha+from+2.2 <-- sv
17:10 jcamins But be aware that a lot of those instructions are out of date.
17:11 jcamins In particular, you cannot use NoZebra.
17:11 jcamins You *must* use Zebra.
17:18 drojf well, slow sucky internet > no internet
17:19 eythian I hate to say this, but I've found the internet in the UK to be worse than what I have at home.
17:19 eythian Though, my sample size is small here.
17:19 eythian and I am on pretty good internet at home.
17:24 drojf talking of slow…
17:24 drojf [off] Your Real Snail Mailâ„¢ message which you sent to <girlfriend at that time> on 20th Jun 2008 at 10:51:44 has been successfully delivered by agent 155 aka 'Liridon' on 3rd Jul 2012 at 13:04:38
17:28 eythian haha wut?
17:30 drojf http://www.realsnailmail.net/ delivered by an actual snail ;)
17:30 drojf [off] i wonder what i wrote in that message. i hope it's appropriate for an ex-girlfriend :D
17:32 jcamins drojf: I wouldn't count on it.
17:33 drojf i don't
17:38 eythian "remember to pick up some milk"
17:42 drojf :D
17:49 eythian seriously, if anyone tells you they sent you a 2 week old data file, just put your hands up and back away slowly.
17:49 eythian It's a nightmare to merge in.
17:49 eythian I _think_ I have the last of the kinks out.
17:50 eythian two days of scripting later.
17:50 jcamins eythian: if it were their fault, I'd tell them they had to choose between the two weeks of missing data and the data since go-live.
17:50 drojf ouch
17:51 eythian in hindsight, me too.
17:51 eythian on the other hand, I know how to do it now :)
17:51 drojf we will all send you our old data files :)
17:51 eythian I shall charge a hefty amount.
17:52 drojf i'll take your irc help for free then. kindly guide step by step, video tutorial preferred :D
17:53 drojf nah i'll just go with answer number two, "i'm sorry, it's just not possible"
17:54 jcamins [off] Dear sir kindly send detailed step by step video tutorial on merging new data with exact commands that match my situation and not yours.
17:54 drojf :D
17:54 eythian sure. run this, and see what happens: http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=import/csv/elm_merge.pl;h=caede6ee52336f4d5ead05e9b520f4f55eb1e46e;hb=waimate_import
17:54 eythian jcamins: heh
18:01 jcamins eythian: shouldn't you be off at the pub by now?
18:01 eythian jcamins: I had things to fix, but I just ran it, it seems happy, and in about 5 minutes I shall be going that way.
18:11 datadoctor What do y'all think about installing on Debian Squeeze vs. Ubuntu 12 Server?
18:11 jcamins Squeeze.
18:11 wahanui hmmm... squeeze is 3.2.x
18:11 jcamins No question.
18:12 * jcamins hated Ubuntu 12.04.
18:12 datadoctor Thanks for the good advice jcamins!
18:13 jcamins datadoctor: I don't know it's good advice, but I certainly feel strongly about it. ;)
18:14 datadoctor I will take your word for it. We are currently running on Debian Squeeze, but had some problems with VMWare tools on a test install.
18:14 datadoctor Thought about trying an alternative, but seeing as you had problems, I'll stick with what I know.
18:15 drojf +1 for debian
18:15 jcamins VMWare should work fine on Debian, I'd think.
18:15 datadoctor Thanks drojf, and also for the Snails!
18:15 drojf heh
18:15 datadoctor They were delicious! :D
18:16 datadoctor Those snails are really good at spam filtering as well!
18:17 drojf i'm not sure about that
18:18 libsysguy so im working on bug 8033, and just realized that you need permissions to print slips
18:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8033 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, elliott, In Discussion , add print receipt option to Koha self-check
18:18 jcamins eythian: go to a pub, but first tell me if I saw something about you moving forward on the koha-i18n-es-ES (etc.) packages.
18:18 jcamins libsysguy: yes, that would be good.
18:18 libsysguy that feature or retaining permissions
18:18 eythian jcamins: I realised I need to book some things for the weekend.
18:19 eythian I haven't done any moving on them, they are still "almost there"
18:19 jcamins Maybe I should pick those up.
18:22 eythian by all means :)
18:22 libsysguy jcamins did you mean it would be good to retain the permissions or it would be a good feature
18:22 jcamins libsysguy: keeping it.
18:23 libsysguy do you know of a permission to 'self-checkout'
18:23 libsysguy i thought everyone could do that
18:23 jcamins libsysguy: so that if a library does not want one of their SCO machines printing receipts, it won't.
18:23 jcamins I think it's just circulate, isn't it?
18:24 libsysguy i am set as a standard patron on my install and i can SCO
18:24 libsysguy i guess i could make a new 'permission' and set it to true if print slips are enabled as a syspref
18:25 libsysguy for sco**
18:25 jcamins Oh, you already added a slip syspref?
18:25 libsysguy oh no i didn't
18:25 jcamins I guess that might be okay.
18:25 libsysguy i was trying to do it the lazy way and just add it for all sco's
18:25 libsysguy just a dialog
18:25 libsysguy print or no thanks
18:26 jcamins Hm.
18:26 libsysguy the only way that is a problem is url hijacks
18:26 libsysguy if someone types in a borrowernumber then they can get a print out of all the checkouts for that patron
18:27 libsysguy which is obviously a problem
18:27 libsysguy but im not sure how to get around with the way printing is set up
18:27 jcamins Yeah, that would be a problem.
18:28 libsysguy maybe i can just check to see if i came from an sco url
18:29 jcamins You can still spoof referer headers.
18:30 libsysguy true
18:30 * libsysguy scratches head
18:30 jcamins Wouldn't it be better to confirm that the specified patron did the self checkout?
18:30 jcamins libsysguy: wait, you know that the user doing SCO != user to whom books are being checked out, right?
18:30 jcamins There's a syspref that controls it.
18:31 libsysguy hmm
18:31 libsysguy but you are still basically programming in a hole right?
18:32 jcamins Oh, the referer thing is definitely an issue.
18:32 jcamins I was going back to the permissions.
18:33 libsysguy oh ok
18:33 libsysguy well this is also interesting the way get_template_and_user is set up
18:33 jcamins Does it do some sort of bind?
18:34 * jcamins has never really looked at the code.
18:34 libsysguy it passes opac/intranet
18:34 libsysguy to force one or the other
18:34 libsysguy then basically a set of flags
18:35 libsysguy auth kind of looks like a dinosaur
18:36 jcamins It really is.
18:36 libsysguy *smh*
18:37 libsysguy i guess it goes back to "if it isn't broken don't fix it"
18:37 jcamins Right.
18:37 eythian it's kinda broken
18:37 jcamins Any unit tests you'd like to write would be much appreciated.
18:37 eythian in the sense that it's hard to extend
18:37 libsysguy ^^
18:37 libsysguy like im trying to do now
18:37 libsysguy and failing hard
19:12 * rangi waves good morning and goes to make breakfast for atarau
19:12 * cait waves back
19:27 rangi back
19:27 rangi he
19:27 rangi 's eating honeypuffs i have about 10 mins
19:28 * jcamins just read a report about cereal advertising to children.
19:29 rangi oh yeah?
19:29 rangi atarau eats anything
19:29 rangi as long as I say, this is what kapa haka groups eat
19:30 * jcamins will summarize: you're going to kill your kids if you let them eat cereal that is marketed for kids.
19:30 * wizzyrea noticed that after the spud visits his gran with her satellite television, that he suddenly wants all kinds of crazy toys and questionable food items.
19:30 wizzyrea viva la netflix.
19:30 jcamins (but it's better now than it was three years ago)
19:30 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoUkCjdb1jc&feature=g-upl
19:30 rangi oh yeah american cereal is a trip
19:31 rangi curse my compulsion to try new things
19:31 wizzyrea hahahahahah he's so tough
19:31 jcamins Aww.
19:31 rangi i spend most of my visits to the USA high on sugar
19:31 wizzyrea hehe
19:32 rangi (that video was on sunday)
19:32 wizzyrea to think, that's how we (some of us) live all the time. High on sugar.
19:32 wizzyrea terrifying.
19:32 * jcamins doesn't even have processed foods much and manages that. ;)
19:32 wizzyrea cheerios makes "fruity cheerios" now
19:33 jcamins Honey nut cheerios are about as healthy as candy.
19:33 wizzyrea froot loops > shredded wheat fruit in the middle > fruity cheerios
19:33 wizzyrea but it's still a lot of sugar.
19:33 wizzyrea (that is, greater in sugar)
19:33 jcamins rangi: Myshkin was a little scared by Atarau at first, but decided he approves.
19:34 rangi hehe
19:35 rangi wizzyrea: sugar cereal then ritalin for the adhd
19:35 wizzyrea i know right
19:35 rangi its a nice little feedback loop
19:36 rangi our biggest cereal controversy here
19:36 rangi is that sanitarium, (who make things like weetbix and marmite)
19:37 rangi are owned by 7th day adventists and dodge taxes
19:39 rangi oh and also marmitegeddon
19:39 rangi which is a very cynical and clever marketing campaign
19:39 rangi http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/foodanddrinknews/9154576/Outcry-in-New-Zealand-over-Marmageddon-crisis-as-Marmite-stocks-run-out.html
19:47 wizzyrea ooh tax dodgers!
19:49 jcamins wizzyrea: just so long as they don't dodge the marmite tax!
19:49 wizzyrea oh and naturally hillary clinton says something dumb and snarky about it.
19:49 * wizzyrea was quite fond of cheesymite.
19:49 wizzyrea :P
19:50 rangi its what she does, that endears her to the public so
19:50 wizzyrea i…. i guess.
19:51 rangi hehe
19:51 rangi http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/7215025/Deep-7-0-earthquake-hits-New-Zealand
19:51 rangi no real damage anywhere so that's good
19:51 wizzyrea yea, wow that's a big one
19:52 rangi kristina was presenting remotely during it
19:53 rangi http://virtualbreath.net/curious/2012/07/04/mahara-presentation-with-a-dash-of-earthquake/
19:53 rangi so you can hear what it was like
19:57 rangi at about 4.40
19:59 wizzyrea oh my poor girl
20:00 cait brave girl
20:00 cait she continued
20:00 rangi hehe, 'ok, no worries'
20:00 rangi she's been here a while :)
20:00 wizzyrea i like her combo kiwi/german accent
20:01 wizzyrea it's cute :)
20:01 wizzyrea yes very brave jeez :)
20:02 cait anitsirk++
20:59 libsysguy libsysguy?
20:59 wahanui i heard libsysguy was Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck
20:59 libsysguy ^^ heh
21:00 libsysguy wizzyrea?
21:00 wahanui I LIKE SCIENCE
21:00 libsysguy jcamins?
21:00 wahanui jcamins is A-Grade developper on Koha willing to rewrite it from top to bottom. Good Luck jcamins
21:02 mbalmer yes, rewrite Koha in <insert your favourite language here>