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01:03 mtompset Good morning, #koha folks!
01:03 mtompset Someone should change the topic, nengard's birthday is over now. :)
01:04 Waylon hiya all.
01:04 Waylon is there such a thing as over engineering?
01:05 Waylon sysadmin wants to setup a rather comprehensive RAID 1 and RAID 10 system
01:05 mtompset Technically, yes.
01:05 mtompset In reality, probably not.
01:06 Waylon RAID 1 -- 2 * 75 GB 10K disks -- usable 75 GB for OS
01:06 Waylon RAID 10 -- 4 * 300 GB 10k disks -- usable 600 GB for DB
01:06 Waylon RAID 10 -- 4 * 600 GB 10k disks -- usable 1.1TB for KOHA/Zebra
01:06 mtompset Will it be hot swappable?
01:06 Waylon DB i imagine is just mysql db.
01:07 Waylon koha is koha app and pdf files that are currently about 240 gb total.
01:07 Waylon hmm.. its in a data center. probably is hot swappable but we'd not be doing the swapping.
01:08 Waylon 2 dual/quad processors / 12 or 16 GB RAM
01:08 Waylon 2 quad processors... hell...
01:08 mtompset more ram = good. :) 1GB is still small, it seems.
01:09 Waylon yes.. 1gb is not enough for koha.
01:09 Waylon but 16?!
01:09 mtompset Depends on how popular your OPAC and Staff Clients are?
01:10 mtompset While watching memory use for our 512MB system...
01:10 mtompset yes, 512MB...
01:10 mtompset I noticed that each request was around 40-50MB.
01:11 mtompset 20 searches all at once means 1GB roughly.
01:12 mtompset Now, add a "leak" factor of 1MB...
01:12 mtompset 1000 searches means 1GB... it will get freed eventually though.
01:18 Waylon yeah... so i should let the sysadmin do what he wants?
01:18 mtompset Where are you, Waylon? It's Saturday here.
01:19 Waylon new zealand, Saturday too, 1:18 pm
01:19 mtompset Well, you said it was being hosted at a data center.
01:20 Waylon yea
01:20 Waylon sysadmin is ours though, not the data centers
01:20 mtompset If it is at a data center, you probably can't get a simpler set up.
01:20 Waylon ah actually we had a simpiler setup
01:20 Waylon straight 2 hdds, 500 gb each, and 8 gb ram.
01:20 mtompset But the sysadmin had to maintain it.
01:21 mtompset He's trying to simplify his life.
01:21 Waylon simplifiy?
01:21 mtompset He probably doesn't want to have to deal with hardware failures.
01:21 Waylon ha
01:21 Waylon s/ha/ah
01:22 Waylon right.
01:22 Waylon well.. we do have two servers, we were planning to loadbalance across.
01:22 mtompset But he likes dealing with system setup and updating, etc.
01:22 mtompset So, he's trying to outsource the hardware side of his responsibilities.
01:23 Waylon so, this single dedicated server, RAID setup will be preferable to two dedicated servers, simple storage?
01:23 mtompset And if you do a cost analysis, sometimes leasing the car and upgrading and continuing a lease later is cheaper than buying it and trying to keep it going for years.
01:25 mtompset What is the current set up?
01:26 Waylon just simple hdds.
01:26 Waylon 8 gb ram.
01:26 mtompset two servers?
01:26 Waylon two machines.
01:27 mtompset consider the cost analysis of running two owned servers vs. one leased one.
01:27 mtompset He's probably had to do some kludgey stuff to set the two machines up, and really would prefer a RAID setup.
01:29 * Waylon did the setup
01:29 mtompset Ah... he's killing your babies.
01:29 Waylon yeah..... that too.
01:30 mtompset What will become of the two machines if he gets his data center-based server?
01:31 Waylon these two servers are already in the data center.
01:31 Waylon so one will just get upgraded.. the other will possibly become its dev/staging server.
01:32 Waylon or just get axed, and get a dev/staging server in one of softlayers other data centers for safety.
01:33 mtompset When did the two machines get initially get set up?
01:36 Waylon ages ago. back when XCP 1.1 came out.
01:36 mtompset Ages? Like >5 years?
01:37 Waylon oh..no...
01:37 Waylon 200 days?
01:37 mtompset less than a year?!
01:37 Waylon new sysadmin
01:38 mtompset It's not cost effective to take his suggestions so soon after initial setup.
01:38 mtompset That's my gut feeling. I claim no expertise.
01:38 Waylon considers the dual server system, on XCP, abit of a too complicated.
01:39 Waylon and thinks that xapi export of the lvm partitions not raw enough.
01:39 mtompset It probably is. He's a sysadmin, suck it up. :P
01:40 mtompset Just for the record, I'm no expert. :)
01:41 mtompset His suggestions are probably good, but it's too soon after initial setup.
01:41 mtompset The costs haven't been amortized yet.
01:42 Waylon well.. we haven't even used it yet.
01:42 mtompset amortized sufficiently.
01:42 mtompset all the more reason to not change.
01:42 Waylon he doesn't think that the IO is up to it. based on my sieging of it.
01:43 Waylon god, i wish i never sieged it now.
01:43 Waylon old koha 3.0 sieged at 10 users, 5 second delay each batch... came up with 94% availablity.
01:44 mtompset sieged?
01:44 Waylon siege?
01:45 mtompset slowed down?
01:45 * mtompset is trying to understand the definition.
01:45 Waylon the program that automatedly requests urls, times the responses, tells if a request doesn't get a response.
01:45 Waylon simulates users using hte website.
01:45 mtompset AH.
01:46 Waylon in other words, if 10 users at same time, did searches, one search each 5 seconds, it would only work 94% of the time.
01:46 mtompset tuning?
01:46 mtompset Ah.
01:46 mtompset http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Tuning
01:47 mtompset Did you look into some of the suggestions here?
01:47 Waylon most of which is only usable on koha 3.8
01:47 Waylon 3.0 is a dead horse
01:48 mtompset Sounds like you need to set up a 3.8 system and seige it to prove that the IO is good enough.
01:51 mtompset I still think the costs haven't been amortized sufficiently is probably a good reason not to go with the sysadmin's suggestions.
01:51 mtompset Though, frankly, I like his suggestion.
01:52 mtompset Who paid for the servers? your company or the data center?
01:54 Waylon the servers themselves, data center, the server setup and lease, company.
01:57 mtompset I would argue that the initial setup costs haven't been amortized sufficiently and that there is insufficient data to prove the initial setup inadequate for an upgraded version.
01:58 mtompset Suggest that the initial setup be tested for X months.
01:58 mtompset After the upgrade.
01:58 mtompset If seiging proves it insufficient, then upgrade.
01:58 mtompset If seiging proves it sufficient, upgrade later.
01:59 mtompset by seiging, I mean actual use.
01:59 mtompset not a test program.
02:00 mtompset If you have only had them for 200ish days... then perhaps another 165 days? so 6 months minimum?
02:02 Waylon meh.i can't say anything really.. im only the perl coder.
02:02 mtompset You can point out amortization costs.
02:02 mtompset Let the boss put 2+2 together.
02:03 Waylon though, i can setup a vm with debian squeeze and koha 3.8 and see how it goes.
02:03 Waylon amortization costs?
02:03 mtompset The company has paid $X so far.
02:03 Waylon its kinda been sitting for 200ish days not doing much while i worked on it.
02:03 mtompset That was intended to run for Y years.
02:04 mtompset if you only have it for 6 months out of Y years... that's crazy...
02:04 mtompset to spend $X again every 6 months.
02:04 mtompset because of the whim of a sysadmin.
02:05 mtompset It's like buy a computer.
02:05 mtompset If I pay $2000 for a brand new computer.
02:06 mtompset And buy a new computer every year.
02:06 mtompset I must be amortizing $2000 over 12 months.
02:06 mtompset That is... $166.67 per month.
02:06 mtompset But if I buy a new computer every 5 years...
02:07 mtompset That's only $33.34 every month.
02:07 mtompset You'll want to upgrade a machine between every 3-5 years to keep current and hardware defect free...
02:08 mtompset So as you can see.... that armortization costs 5x as much in my example.
02:09 Waylon i don't think the actual setup costs anything.
02:10 mtompset Okay, then there's no reason to not go with the sysadmin's suggestion, because it won't cost extra.
02:10 mtompset And it will rock your Koha world.
02:12 mtompset If there are costs to change, that would be used in an amortization argument.
02:13 jcamins_away Waylon: to be blunt, who cares if they're being spendthrift?
02:14 Waylon yeah.. im not paying for it...
02:14 * mtompset nods.
02:14 jcamins_away So there you go.
02:15 Waylon but yea, the lease cost will be higher of course.
02:15 jcamins_away "Sounds great, it'll take about six months to reconcile the code enough to move to 3.8."
02:15 Waylon yeah.. not much point in getting the new hardware until then eh?
02:15 jcamins_away Right.
02:15 Waylon six months...
02:16 jcamins_away Waylon: you have a lot of weird custom code.
02:16 jcamins_away That's actually probably an optimistic estimate.
02:16 mtompset Depends on your coding stamina. ;)
02:17 Waylon well.. its actually not many features.. and i did code some of them myself. I don't think it will be too difficult to recode.
02:18 mtompset By the way, greetings, jcamins_away but not really. ;)
02:19 mtompset Hey, with this DEV install... I could actually go looking for NEW reports which need patching.
02:19 Waylon of course
02:19 Waylon and possibly even get paid for it.
02:20 * mtompset feels a wave of coding giddiness coming on.
02:20 Waylon depending on what your boss wants you to be doing.
02:20 mtompset I don't get paid.
02:20 * jcamins_away waves.
02:20 mtompset not in the conventional sense of the word.
02:20 jcamins_away Waylon: did Scotty teach you *nothing*?
02:21 jcamins_away Woohoo!
02:21 mtompset under promise, over deliver.
02:21 * jcamins_away successfully moves /var/lib on a production server onto a different filesystem without any downtime whatsoever.
02:22 mtompset There was probably a few milliseconds, jcamins_away.
02:22 jcamins_away mtompset: yeah, but no one hit the server in that time.
02:23 Waylon how did you manage to move the database without downtime?
02:23 jcamins_away Waylon: I planned ahead and didn't have that in /var/lib.
02:24 jcamins_away It's just Zebra that I put on the wrong filesystem.
02:24 mtompset What does UNCONFIRMED mean?
02:25 mtompset (as a bug status)
02:25 jcamins_away It means no one has tested to confirm the bug exists.
02:25 jcamins_away It's not very commonly used.
02:34 mtompset Giddiness declining... so many bugs. So much uncommon to me.
02:38 mtompset Anyone know why some bug listings are in RED?
02:57 Waylon ..... hostgator can't install debian lenny it seems... not going to be fun installing koha 3.0 on squeeze. not even sure if its possible, last time i tried that it did not work i think. libXML version was too high. Moving from one hostgator server to another, to avoid possibly bad hdd, while we sort out the softlayer/3.8 issue.
02:57 mtompset hostgator?
02:57 Waylon yeah.. stupid server management company.
02:58 Waylon their hardware used to belong to theplanet, which got brought out by softlayer.
02:58 Waylon so the hdd we're using is ancient and has failed a few times, requiring reboot and fscking.
02:58 mtompset oh, the joys of company acquisitions
02:59 Waylon so the hostgator management contact datacenter staff, who use the IPMI tools, i imagine.
02:59 mtompset If you had to reboot and fsck several times, shouldn't you replace the drive?
02:59 Waylon can't really afford the extended downtime.
03:00 mtompset you mean it is being used even on weekends?
03:02 mtompset Even a clone to a newer, larger newer drive should take several hours at worst.
03:02 mtompset Then the drive gets swapped in with a boot time down time.
03:03 mtompset So, 2 boot time down times, and the time it takes to clone.
03:03 mtompset That should be less than an 8 hour day. Do it on a weekend, users don't notice.
03:04 mtompset Or do you have users 24x7?
03:07 Waylon its 24x7
03:08 Waylon university students use it from uni, and from home, via their uni website.
03:09 jcamins_away mtompset: red bugs are higher priority.
03:11 mtompset How often do you have to reboot and fsck? If it happens monthly, I think it a scheduled downtime is in order.
03:12 mtompset Even quarterly probably merits the downtime.
03:13 mtompset Nothing worse than harddrive crashes causing downtime, when scheduled downtime could have prevented it.
03:19 mtompset okay, this is weird:
03:19 mtompset my ( $title, $LINES ) = TransformPrefsToHTML( { $title => $matched_groups }, $searchfield );
03:19 mtompset how can you use a variable before it is defined?!
03:20 mtompset well, before it is initialized?!
03:23 mtompset AAAAH!
03:23 mtompset $template->param($error) || $template->param( $error => 1);
03:26 mtompset These gems brought to you via grep. :)
03:26 mtompset grep "\$[a-zA-Z]*\s*\=>" `find . | grep -v blib | grep -v "/misc" | grep -v "/var" | grep -v "/t/"` | less
04:26 mtompset Oh that's interesting! The || probably checks in the parameter already exists. But why push it if it got template param'd? Hmmmm....
07:44 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
09:01 mtompset Is this an automated process, chris_n?
09:20 drojf bonjour matts. how is the perl workshop going?
09:20 drojf hi #koa
09:20 drojf #koha even
09:21 matts hi !
09:21 matts It's nice
09:22 matts eiro gave a nice conference yesterday about MARC::MIR
09:22 matts And it's about Data Mining (in french)
09:23 cait hi matts and drojf
09:24 drojf hi cait
09:26 drojf matts: wow, state of the art. cpan has version 0.0 (!) of marc-mir-template :D
09:26 mtompset Greetings all!
09:26 matts ^^
09:28 drojf hi mtompset
09:29 mtompset hi, drojf.
09:30 mtompset What is MARC::MIR?
09:30 mtompset Version 0.0 is the latest on CPAN.
09:30 mtompset http://search.cpan.org/search?query=MARC%3A%3AMIR&mode=all
09:33 matts It's a new module for MARC records handling
09:34 matts I'll ask eiro for his slides
09:34 matts (and post the link here)
09:35 mtompset I am sure there are problems with current methods, but why a new module? (I'm asking to learn, not to criticize)
09:36 cait same question here :)
09:36 matts MARC::Record is definitively not the more elegant way to handle MARC records, right ?
09:37 matts MARC::MIR is meant to be simple and smart
09:37 mtompset But is it mostly aimed at UNIMARC? or does it also incorporate MARC21, NORMARC, etc.?
09:38 cait I am not sure using a new module will solve all problems
09:39 mtompset If I were to implement things from scratch. I'd have MARC::Record... but it would be smart enough to use MARC::Record::<type>
09:39 mtompset Then people could optimize MARC::Record::MARC21
09:39 mtompset or ::NORMARC
09:39 mtompset or ::UNIMARC
09:39 matts mtompset, it's marc-agnostic
09:40 mtompset really?
09:40 mtompset How can it be?
09:41 mtompset Because all the processing logic for something like KOHA is marc-dependent.
09:42 matts Hmm... It's just a way to manipulate records... What you put in it doesn't really matter, does it ? It's *how* you in it that is relevant, no ?
09:42 matts you *put stuff* in it
09:42 mtompset I can generally agree with that.
09:42 drojf its just about "there is a field, it has subfields" i guess. it does not care what you use the fields for
09:42 mtompset Right.
09:43 matts yeah, but the fun stuff about this module is that you can define a bibliographic framework
09:43 matts and then manipulate your records like : author="Author" and not XXX$X = "Author"
09:43 mtompset so that it would prevent invalid data from being added?
09:44 cait matts: but it's not as easy as that with marc
09:44 cait because there is more than one field for that
09:45 cait hi Markus2
09:45 mtompset could you give an example, cait?
09:45 mtompset I'm trying to learn. :)
09:46 cait well
09:46 cait an author must not be a person
09:46 cait it could also be a corporate
09:46 cait and there could be more than one author
09:46 cait so you would have 2 different fields
09:46 cait and corporates and persons go in different fields
09:46 cait and so on
09:47 mtompset but would that be an example of a repeatable subfield?
09:47 drojf that's why we have these crazy marc things in the first place ;)
09:47 matts cait, yeah you're right... But marc::mir is really a young project (v0.0, right ?) and i don't know how far the implementation has been done... But the concept behind it is interesting
09:47 mtompset That much is true. :)
09:48 rangi mtompset: no, those are whole different fields, some of which are repeatable, some are repeatable fields with repeatable subfields even
09:48 matts there's a lightweight tutorial here : http://search.cpan.org/~marcc/marc-mir-0.0/lib/MARC/MIR/Tutorial.pod
09:49 cait sorry mtompset overread your questions
09:49 cait yes, rangi is right
09:49 cait totally different fields
09:49 cait i am not really a marc21 expert, jcamins could probably tell you a lot more about that :)
09:49 drojf oh that was rangi. i read his sentence in cait's voice :)
09:50 cait lol
09:50 * mtompset laughs, "Me too!"
09:52 rangi ed summers who works at library of congress and who wrote MARC::Record could tell us all :)
09:52 mtompset With that sort of praise, jcamins sounds like a Koha deity. :)
09:52 cait he is a cataloging deity at least :P
09:53 mtompset He helped me get my DEV install up and running.
10:18 Markus2 does anyone use koha in a production VM'ed enviroment?
10:19 cait hm yes
10:19 Markus2 you cait?
10:20 cait yeah, but I am not the server administrator - so can't tell you much abou tit
10:20 Markus2 bummer.
10:20 Markus2 any IO bottleneck?
10:21 Markus2 hmm.. whats your cpu/ram/disk setup
10:21 Markus2 ?
10:21 cait sorry, no idea :)
10:28 mtompset we do.
10:28 mtompset But we are only using 512MB, and it is awful!
10:28 mtompset We are looking to increase the ram.
10:30 mtompset I just VM'd the same data on a dual core dual threaded ATOM at 1.5GHz and gave it 1GB... it still seems like not quite enough.
10:30 mtompset cait, if you have a command prompt on your koha server... free -m
10:30 mtompset that should tell you total, used, and free memory for your system.
10:31 cait mtompset: can't access them - sorry
10:31 mtompset then who set up your koha?
10:31 cait my coworkers take care of that :)
10:32 mtompset so you are more of a librarian type than a programming type.
10:32 cait well, yes
10:33 mtompset I sense there's more than the simple dichotomy I provided.
10:33 cait I think dividing into librarians and programmers don't always work
10:34 cait or doesn't always work
10:36 mtompset no, because people are multiskilled.
10:36 mtompset Well, yes, I agree.
10:37 rangi and it's a sysadmins job to look after servers anyway, not a programmer :)
10:37 rangi and now im going to bed
10:40 mtompset computer geek of some kind. :P
10:41 mtompset Have a good night.
10:42 cait good night rangi
11:49 mtompset Sweet! Thank you! 3.9.X has div.gradient!
11:49 mtompset My styling nightmares with 3.6.3 will be lessened.
11:56 cait heh
11:58 mtompset Is anyone who is a CSS expert here?
11:58 mtompset I'm trying to understand the staff-global.css
12:00 mtompset Do you understand CSS, cait?
12:00 cait sometimes
12:00 cait I haven't used gradients much yet
12:00 mtompset Do you understand why h1#logo is given 4 sections in staff-global.css?
12:01 cait um, probably not :)
12:02 mtompset Because I don't ever remember needing multiple sections, but perhaps CSS has changed that there is a reason.
12:02 cait and the selectors are the same for all 4?
12:02 mtompset No.
12:02 mtompset And some of them are the same, but different values.
12:03 mtompset Quite confusing for a lay person in CSS.
12:03 cait if the seelctors are not the same, there will be a reason I guess :)
12:03 cait anyway
12:04 cait don#t change anything in there
12:04 cait if you want to change something
12:04 cait overwrite the statements by using opacusercss or one of the other related system preferences
12:04 cait and firebug is your friend
12:04 mtompset firebug, yes.
12:04 mtompset This is the staff client I'm trying to theme.
12:05 mtompset the OPAC side styling worked rather well without tweaks.
12:07 mtompset oleonard pointed me at some sysprefs for that.
12:07 mtompset but I figured I'd read the staff-global.css which I tweaked before and try to understand it first.
12:08 mtompset last time, I just got it working without thinking.
12:08 mtompset well, tweaked a copy of, and used the syspref to point at it.
12:09 cait hm never done much tweaking of the staff side
12:11 mtompset Greetings, matts.
12:15 mtompset Okay... misread the CSS and after reading W3 documentation... there's only TWO h1#logos that I don't understand. :)
12:49 * mtompset grumbles about cascading.
12:49 mtompset overrode the logo no problem.
12:49 mtompset but text height? Noooooo.... I don't understand cascading order rules.
12:50 mtompset Shouldn't the inline over-ride the staff-global.css period?!
12:50 cait yes, an inline style should override everything else
12:50 cait that#s why inline styles are evil
12:50 mtompset Greetings, jcamins.
12:50 jcamins You're right. You cannot send a cart if you're not logged in in 3.6.
12:50 * jcamins is not sure how he feels about this.
12:51 jcamins Good time of day.
12:51 mtompset who is the send a cart message for?
12:52 cait I think there are different use cases
12:52 jcamins mtompset: in the OPAC.
12:52 cait one of our libraries uses it to have students mail them books they want them to get ready for them
12:52 cait or you can send yourself a cart with a list of books you want to get from the library
12:52 cait or a friend
12:52 cait or wahtever
12:52 jcamins If you find a book you're interested in, you can add it to your cart and e-mail it to yourself.
12:55 mtompset jcamins, why does my inline h1#logo override the background image fine, but my h1#logo a doesn't override the text height?
12:56 jcamins mtompset: because the text height is set on h1#logo > span.
12:56 mtompset Where is that in staff-global.css?!
12:57 jcamins That was a guess.
12:58 jcamins We could use a mailto: link, I suppose.
12:58 Waylon Hmmmmmmmmm..
12:58 cait jcamins hm?
12:58 jcamins cait: for non-authenticated users to send carts.
12:58 cait ah
12:58 cait yeah but there are problems with that
12:58 cait they have to be at a computer with a mail client
12:59 jcamins mtompset: h1#logo > a
12:59 cait and how do you get the informatoin into the mail?
12:59 jcamins mailto: link.
12:59 cait I tried recently and had a lot of problems with encoding :(
12:59 jcamins Make T::T URLencode it.
13:01 Waylon sysadmin wants to create a single Golaith of a server. when Davids are enough. I also raised the point about server failure/boot fail "based from our exp. the only thing likely to fail is the Hardisk, if we provide redundancy in this level we have nothing much to worry. in our present XCP / VM / LB / glusterFS / sync scripts / cronbal ..... There is more chance for something to fail than in a single server.. The best way is to keep th
13:01 Waylon ings simple..." -sighs- I guess we're going to have a Goliath.
13:01 jcamins Waylon: so? As long as it works.
13:01 cait @wunder Konstanz
13:01 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 30.9°C (3:00 PM CEST on June 30, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
13:01 * cait does not want to go out there
13:02 cait too warm for me already
13:02 Waylon yeah. going to be a bugger to back up. but i guess thats not my responsibility anymore eh?
13:02 mtompset Particularly the DB dump. :)
13:03 mtompset I think I figured out why: !important.
13:03 mtompset How do I override a !important?
13:04 * mtompset jumps for joy, "!important overrides!"
13:04 Waylon forget the db dump, mtompset .. try 250 gb of pdf files.
13:06 mtompset rsync
13:06 mtompset If they don't change, the rsync is minimal.
13:06 jcamins mtompset: in principle if you add !important to your alternatives, that should fix it.
13:07 jcamins In practice there are some things that certain browsers just won't override.
13:07 mtompset Yes, it did. That's why I jumped for joy. :)
13:07 mtompset I'm overriding height.
13:07 mtompset I think browsers will let me. :)
13:11 mtompset I am much happier with the styling layout of 3.9.x than 3.6.3
13:12 mtompset On our 3.6.3 production system I copied staff-global.css and tweaked it.
13:13 mtompset How would I do something similar on my DEV install without triggering that extra file to upload?
13:13 jcamins mtompset: you just copy the file and don't add it to git.
13:14 mtompset But it will list it as a modified file.
13:15 jcamins Yes.
13:15 jcamins That's okay.
13:15 mtompset Nevermind... I have an idea.
13:15 mtompset I configured the default apache to run on 4080.
13:16 mtompset I can put it there.
13:18 mtompset and that isn't inside my git repositories.
13:18 mtompset YAY!
13:18 mtompset okay... last question, and then I'll probably start shutting down for the evening.
13:18 mtompset I have all these branches now.
13:19 mtompset plus my master branch.
13:19 mtompset if I git pull with my master branch selected, will that affect my other branches?
13:20 jcamins No.
13:20 jcamins Moreover, don't use git pull.
13:20 jcamins Use git fetch, then git rebase
13:21 mtompset so on my master before I make a patch branch, git fetch, git rebase, then git checkout -b bug_XXXX origin, edit whatever, git add whatever, git commit, git format-patch origin -o ~
13:22 jcamins You don't need to rebase your master branch at all.
13:23 mtompset so if my master is out of date, and I already made a patch branch.... git fetch, git rebase before the edit whatever?
13:23 jcamins Right.
13:24 mtompset when I select my master, will it have changed? or do I still have to git fetch?
13:24 mtompset What is the difference between git fetch and git pull?
13:24 jcamins git fetch downloads the changes and does not apply them to any master.
13:25 jcamins git pull merges in the changes.
13:25 jcamins cait's workflow is to do a git pull on the mater branch, then rebase all the topic branches.
13:25 * jcamins just learned this.
13:27 mtompset any master?
13:27 jcamins What do you mean any master?
13:27 jcamins You should only have one "master" branch.
13:27 mtompset That's what I am asking you.
13:27 mtompset you said, "does not apply them to any master"
13:29 jcamins I meant branch.
13:29 jcamins Sorry. :)
13:29 jcamins No breakfast or caffeine yet today.
13:30 cait mmh brunch?
13:30 mtompset Good Lord! Drink some caffeine!
13:30 mtompset Pizza and coke is the breakfast of coding champions.
13:32 mtompset Though a doughtnut and coffee/tea/iced cappucino from Tim Hortons would be good too. But you probably don't have one locally there.
13:33 mtompset Dear Timmies, please open one in the Philippines. Preferably in Santa Cruz, Laguna. :) Thanks, Mark
13:33 mtompset There are things you miss when you are not in your home country.
13:38 mtompset Do you get July 4 off, jcamins?
13:40 jcamins Not as such.
13:48 mtompset Long weekend?
13:49 Waylon "LVM is good, there is another option for backup from r1soft.com available ." any comments about r1soft?
13:49 mtompset Never heard of them. Can't comment, sorry.
13:50 jcamins mtompset: I have my own business.
13:53 mtompset Ah... Business owners get "no" holidays. :(
13:55 jcamins Right.
14:03 mtompset There generated a partial patch for a styling enhancement for the staff client. :)
14:03 mtompset bug 8339
14:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8339 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , div id="login" should be id="login_controls" in header.inc
14:04 mtompset languages make a patch like that harder.
14:05 mtompset or does the installing of other languages convert the English CSS and INCLUDE files?
14:05 jcamins The inc files will be translated.
14:05 jcamins There should not be any linguistic content in the CSS files.
14:06 mtompset Thankfully, no strings to translate in the patch.
14:07 mtompset It's strange that no one really noticed this, because staff-global.css is over-ridden by login.css at the login screen, but becomes the default once you are logged in.
14:08 mtompset Well, it's not strange...
14:08 jcamins Oh, I see what you're asking about.
14:08 jcamins All the other languages are translated from English.
14:08 jcamins @wunder 11375
14:08 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Jackson Heights NY US, Corona, New York is 28.9°C (9:32 AM EDT on June 30, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.75 in 1007 hPa (Rising). Heat advisory in effect from 1 PM this afternoon to 7 PM EDT this evening...
14:08 jcamins @wunder Konstanz
14:08 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 30.7°C (4:05 PM CEST on June 30, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
14:09 * mtompset laughs.
14:09 mtompset One has a heat advisory, the other doesn't, but the Germany one is hotter.
14:10 jcamins mtompset: yeah, but it's going up another 15 degrees.
14:10 jcamins Well, 8 degrees Celsius, I guess.
14:10 mtompset 36C?
14:10 jcamins I'll check that I got my math right.
14:10 mtompset @wunder MNL
14:10 huginn mtompset: The current temperature in Manila, Philippines is 24.0°C (10:00 PM PHT on June 30, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 24.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Rising).
14:11 jcamins Yup.
14:11 cait the problem here is humidity
14:11 cait hope we get some rain later tonight
14:11 mtompset No, the problem HERE is humidity. :)
14:11 cait they said they will be, but it sure doesn't look like it
14:12 cait true :)
14:12 mtompset But I know what you mean. :)
14:12 cait well, I am not used to it and it's too warm for my liking
14:13 mtompset What's worse is when my term is up... going back to Canada... my skin dries up and starts to crack, because it has adapted to the more humid climate.
14:13 mtompset I'm glad moisturizers exist!
14:13 cait ouch
14:13 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
14:13 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 27.8°C (3:43 PM CEST on June 30, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
14:15 mtompset Well, have a good day (24 hour period), folks. I need to get to bed at a regular hour.
14:15 cait good night mt
14:15 cait mtompset:
14:15 cait autocomplete failing me :)
14:16 * mtompset smiles.
14:16 * mtompset waves.
17:50 cait @wunder Konstanz
17:50 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 28.0°C (7:45 PM CEST on June 30, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
17:51 cait clear? there is storm and rain!
18:00 drojf :D
18:01 cait @wunder Konstanz
18:01 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 24.6°C (8:00 PM CEST on June 30, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
18:04 drojf a drastic weather change in 15 minutes ;)
18:06 cait still not really true :)
18:06 cait @wunder Konstanz
18:06 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 24.0°C (8:00 PM CEST on June 30, 2012). Conditions: Thunderstorms and Rain. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Falling).
18:06 drojf just wait a few minutes
18:06 drojf haha
18:06 cait yep
18:06 cait now
18:06 cait ok, back to reading it law :)
18:06 drojf how far is tagerwilen from konstanz? or is it a part of it?
18:08 drojf it law? like urheberrecht? nice weekend reading ;)
18:31 cait hm
18:32 cait drojf: laptop shut down
18:33 cait yes, urheberrecht, patentrecht, vertragsrecht, softwarerecht... my new course for the distance study
18:34 mbalmer_ naja, das meiste davon ist eher unrecht als recht...
18:35 cait bislang macht es noch sinn
21:10 cait @wunder Konstanz
21:10 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 19.0°C (11:00 PM CEST on June 30, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Rising).
21:15 rangi @wunder nzwn
21:15 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 5.0°C (9:00 AM NZST on July 01, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady).
22:50 rangi http://jon.geek.nz/2012/06/115/
22:50 cait nice!
22:51 rangi yup pretty cool :)