Time Nick Message 22:07 rangi night cait 22:06 cait night :) 21:58 rangi good night 21:58 drojf time for bed, try to sleep before 3am once in a while. night #koha 21:58 magnuse have fun #koha! 21:57 drojf :D 21:57 cjh_ heh 21:57 rangi blaming zebra is like blaming the boxing glove when someone is punching you in the face 21:56 drojf hehe 21:56 rangi C4::Search-- 21:56 rangi all of the problems we have with zebra, are problems we made 21:56 rangi 99.9% zebra is fine 21:55 drojf or zebra is not working correctly :P 21:48 rangi id expect either of those numbers for a natlib the size of it 21:48 rangi according to libwebcats they say 7mill, but i heard on the twittervine it was 9 21:48 magnuse ah, true 21:48 rangi the opac might only have the ones they lend 21:47 magnuse rangi: are you sure it's 9million records and not items? i can't seem to find records with biblionumbers that high... 21:46 * jcamins_away goes to eat it. 21:46 jcamins_away Looks delicious. 21:46 jcamins_away The curry is done. 21:38 magnuse hiya cait and rangi 21:38 rangi heya magnuse ! 21:38 * cait waves at magnuse :) 21:37 * magnuse cheers for venezuela! 21:24 drojf i thought you might need it :P 21:24 jcamins_away Where were you when I was opening the jar? 21:24 jcamins_away drojf: heh. Good advice. 21:21 drojf it's supposed to go in the pot, not the air ;) 21:21 drojf heh 21:21 jcamins_away I always forget that it's a little too finely ground. 21:21 jcamins_away Sadly I inhaled some cayenne pepper in the process. 21:21 jcamins_away Also the curry and cayenne pepper. 21:20 jcamins_away I already put in the chilies. :) 21:20 drojf all purpose spice or what that is called at the asian market :D 21:20 jcamins_away Ooh, I'll toss in some of the fresh herbs Shari's picking up right this moment. 21:19 drojf chili ;) 21:19 * rangi randomly picks one 21:19 rangi :) 21:19 rangi oregano 21:19 jcamins_away I hate that, and I can never figure out what the spice is. 21:19 jcamins_away You know how sometimes you taste something you cooked and think "gee, this is perfect except it is missing some sort of green spice? 21:16 rangi :) 21:16 jcamins_away Probably not. 21:16 jcamins_away lol 21:15 rangi bacon 21:15 jcamins_away It's good, but it's missing something. 20:56 rangi oh yeah 20:54 drojf should have stayed a little longer 20:54 drojf TEDGlobal 2012: Radical Openness, happening now in Edinburgh. 20:41 cait hm 20:38 wizzyrea :D 20:38 rangi :) 20:38 wizzyrea rangi: :P 20:37 wizzyrea try this one: http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/aarti-sequeira/saag-paneer-spinach-with-indian-cheese-recipe/index.html 20:37 rangi that url needs more su83y2-4823907529075207525-8252=5293590275028973590279057209572908t925923750275-9279-20rifjiofjwe008u20u234 20:37 wizzyrea oh boy. 20:37 wizzyrea cait: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CGUQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.foodnetwork.com%2Frecipes%2Faarti-sequeira%2Fsaag-paneer-spinach-with-indian-cheese-recipe%2Findex.html&ei=KR3qT6CoHJGg8QSZl50R&usg=AFQjCNGA6oYt8r1uccA5FrPdtZWlz1dTQQ 20:33 cait I don't know what that is :) 20:31 wizzyrea curse you. 20:30 wizzyrea ohh now I want saag 20:29 kathryn seeya jcamins_away 20:29 * jcamins_away sets off to execute it. 20:29 jcamins_away This is a plan! 20:29 jcamins_away Ooh, maybe I'll do a side of saag sans tofu/paneer. 20:29 jcamins_away Over rice. 20:29 jcamins_away So I'm leaning towards mango curry. 20:27 jcamins_away I was going to make saag tofu, but there is no tofu to be had at the local grocery store (a fact which I forget about once a week), and I don't have time to make paneer. 20:26 jcamins_away rangi: not much. I used to eat a lot more meat. 20:26 cait I agree with kathryn then :) 20:26 jcamins_away cait: together, yeah. 20:25 kathryn aha rangi :) 20:24 rangi kathryn: that was where i was going, but chicken not cheese :) 20:22 wizzyrea ^^ 20:22 * kathryn advises that this is also a good time to make cheese 20:22 kathryn jcamins definitely indian food! spinach and something curry with fresh mango chutney? 20:21 wizzyrea hmm spinach and mango. Sounds like a recipe for a smoothie. 20:21 rangi do you eat meat jcamins_away ? 20:21 cait mango sorbet and spinach pizza? 20:21 cait jcamins_away: together? 20:21 kathryn g'morning cait! 20:20 rangi http://abstrusegoose.com/strips/i_never_would_have_passed_kindergarten.png 20:20 cait hi kathryn :) 20:20 cait wb 20:19 rangi jcamins_away: not the opac 20:19 rangi back again 20:16 * jcamins_away tries to figure out something to do with frozen spinach and mango. 20:12 jcamins_away rangi: hasn't the National Library of Venezuela been on Koha since 2.something? 20:11 drojf thanks 20:11 drojf hm i looked at that page. didnt see the link. maybe i should sleep more :/ 20:09 wizzyrea http://koha-community.org/about/worldwide/ 20:08 drojf i'd love to index that on the pi 20:07 rangi I need to try with Dom 20:06 drojf heh 20:06 rangi With grs lots 20 gigish 20:06 drojf approximately 20:05 drojf how much space does that take? 20:05 rangi You just need diskspace 20:05 rangi I've indexed a lot more than that 20:04 schuster Are they using Zebra to index those 7 mil records? Must be a monster server! 20:02 rangi There's a list of sites on the main page we should update 20:02 rangi If not we can add it 20:01 rangi Should be on the wiki 20:00 drojf is there a way to see what subdomains of k-c.org actually exist? how would i know about es.k-c.org? i don't see a link anywhere 19:52 wizzyrea ^^ 19:51 rangi Hehe that site is cool remarkably up to date given they handtranslate it all 19:50 drojf they link to es.koha-community.org. i wonder if that is good for the ranking *hides* 19:48 rangi USA not so much 19:48 rangi I'm sure they would come to Argentina 19:48 drojf they should host a kohacon ;) 19:47 drojf nice 19:47 rangi Now they have the opac too 19:47 rangi Yep they've been in the process for 2 years but only staff side 19:45 drojf but that was already on the catalyst flyer at kohacon, with 7mio? 19:44 drojf have not been reading mails 19:44 drojf ah i see it now 19:44 drojf what did i miss? new koha bib? 19:44 rangi Hehe 19:43 drojf take wellington and brookview, put in shaker, shake well and serve in fancy glass 19:43 rangi 9 million records 19:43 * rangi is still smiling about natlib Venezuela 19:43 rangi Nice winters day 19:42 rangi Blue skies 19:42 drojf you win 19:42 drojf hey rangi 19:41 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 6.0°C (7:00 AM NZST on June 27, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). 19:41 rangi @wunder nzwn 19:41 rangi Back 19:21 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 20.0°C (9:00 PM CEST on June 26, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1022 hPa (Rising). 19:21 cait @wunder Konstanz 19:21 cait same here :) 19:19 drojf the more i read, the more i like my <20° and grey sky. thanks :) 19:18 wizzyrea ouch. 19:17 maximep felt like 45 19:17 maximep 34C and 80% humidity last week here was just killing me 19:17 wizzyrea but you can have the windows down and have a nice drive that way 19:17 schuster HOT and DRY - meaning AC in the car does almost nothing! 19:17 wizzyrea yea, feels a lot hotter here. ;) 19:16 wizzyrea i mean, the temp. 19:16 maximep but only 20% humidity 19:16 wizzyrea excessive 19:16 wizzyrea ok that's just eccessive 19:16 maximep wow 19:16 huginn schuster: The current temperature in Brookview, Plano, Texas is 39.9°C (2:08 PM CDT on June 26, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 20%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Falling). Air pollution watch level Orange in effect for today... 19:16 schuster @wunder 75074 19:16 wizzyrea :P 19:16 huginn maximep: The current temperature in Quebec, Quebec is 18.0°C (3:00 PM EDT on June 26, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Falling). 19:16 maximep @wunder cyqb 19:16 wizzyrea you should come visit KS, it's gonna be like that for a week or so 19:15 drojf over 19:15 drojf but i prefer that ober 30°+ 19:15 drojf mostly grey 19:15 drojf not really 19:15 wizzyrea bit chilly even. 19:15 wizzyrea hm, nice in germany 19:14 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 16.5°C (9:12 PM CEST on June 26, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 19:14 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 19:13 drojf uh 19:13 wizzyrea crikey. 19:13 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 32.9°C (2:12 PM CDT on June 26, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1010 hPa (Falling). 19:13 wizzyrea @wunder lawrence, ks 19:13 drojf hm 19:13 huginn drojf: Error: No such location could be found. 19:13 drojf @wunder leeds, england 19:12 huginn drojf: Error: No such location could be found. 19:12 drojf @wunder leeds 19:01 nengard anyone want to help me with some mysql regex? I'm looking for everything before the first space in the call number .... 18:45 * rangi wanders off again, back later from the bus 18:45 rangi morning 18:45 cait morning rangi :) 18:44 * wizzyrea giggles 18:43 huginn rangi: Quote #115: "chris: friends don't let friends use proprietary software." (added by chris_n at 05:36 PM, January 19, 2011) 18:43 rangi @quote get 115 18:19 schuster Want to check placement of robots.txt - ../kohaclone/koha-tmpl/ the best place or where for the bot to find it. I want to make sure I have it in the right place! 16:58 eythian also, ha ha telecom. 16:58 eythian http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/7173270/Firms-fail-may-hit-Telecoms-XT-network <-- and this is why free software should be used. 16:24 cait finally found the grater :) 16:22 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 16:22 cait @later tell jcamins_away http://www.amazon.de/Fackelmann-45443-Sp%C3%A4tzlereibe-mit-Teigschaber/dp/B003OBY45E/ref=sr_1_1?s=kitchen&ie=UTF8&qid=1340727526&sr=1-1 16:21 cait hmmm. wahanui, help? 16:21 cait I think there? 16:21 * jcamins_away heads into the city. 16:21 jcamins_away Hehe. 16:20 jcamins_away I think there? 16:20 * jcamins_away uses the second. 16:20 cait forget I think there 16:20 cait forget I tink there 16:20 cait ah 16:20 cait you? 16:20 wahanui That's Ms. Cait to you! or in a very good mood today :) or a librarian, you will get wahanui's information or a hero or signing off on wahanui's patch :) 16:20 cait I? 16:20 cait lol 16:20 wahanui okay, cait. 16:20 cait I think there is also something like the second with holes like the first... 16:20 cait aaah 16:20 jcamins_away This is Relevant To My Interest. 16:20 * cait goes back to dusting 16:19 cait tirtm? 16:19 cait and there are some variants... 16:19 cait http://www.amazon.de/St%C3%A4dter-Maiback-Sp%C3%A4tzleschaber-Sp%C3%A4tzlesschaber-Holzbrett/dp/B001PPPK4A/ref=sr_1_1?s=kitchen&ie=UTF8&qid=1340727487&sr=1-1 16:19 cait or someting like this 16:18 cait http://www.amazon.de/Sp%C3%A4tzlepresse-Sp%C3%A4tzle-Chef-handgeschabt-unregelm%C3%A4%C3%9Fige-Lochform/dp/B000ZJWCKC/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1340727458&sr=8-2 with something like this 16:18 cait you can do them 2 ways 16:18 cait hehe yes they are 16:16 jcamins TIRTMI! 16:16 jcamins There are spaetzle *graters*? 16:13 drojf ok hungry, will manage to leave the office :) see you later #koha 16:11 drojf seems they are spaetzle in english 16:11 drojf no… a spätzle grater, or what that may be in english. because i would like to make spelt spätzle :) 16:10 jcamins (I can no longer eat store-bought salad dressing... it's just so disappointing, every time) 16:10 jcamins I guess I'll make blueberry vinaigrette. 16:10 jcamins We're going to have such a yummy salad... 16:10 jcamins drojf: lettuce? 16:10 drojf actually i would like something else 16:09 drojf heh 16:09 wahanui coconut flour is REALLY expensive 16:09 drojf jcamins: or coconut flour 16:09 jcamins drojf: but you could buy fennel on the way home... 16:09 * mveron wishes a nice evening (or other daytime) to everybody. Good bye :-) 16:08 drojf meh too lazy to drive home 16:06 jcamins :) 16:06 jcamins Koha, yeah. 16:06 jcamins Anyway. 16:06 jcamins Which we don't own. 16:06 jcamins Possibly in a blender. 16:06 jcamins Right, we're just going to grind our own coconut flour. 16:05 jcamins drojf: consider yourself lucky. 16:05 drojf like in 5€+ for a pound 16:05 * jcamins dies. 16:05 wizzyrea yes, that was what I understood about it 16:05 jcamins Ah. 16:05 jcamins drojf: what? You didn't realize we were all such geeks about baking? 16:04 drojf coconut flour is REALLY expensive 16:04 drojf omg 16:04 jcamins I'm trying to cut down on wheat by judiciously mixing other varieties of flour. 16:04 drojf i have some too, have not used it yet 16:03 jcamins I have some rice flour, though. 16:03 jcamins wizzyrea: coconut flour? Never heard of it. 16:03 drojf sounds even 16:03 drojf wizzyrea: ounds interesting. not sure where to get that here 16:02 jcamins Which is good, because I looooove baking, and $0.45/lb is a lot more affordable than $1.5-2/lb 16:02 wizzyrea they tell me coconut flour works well. 16:01 drojf have not tried much baking, as in sweet things 16:01 jcamins I know that I definitely don't have any gluten sensitivity (or at least didn't used to), because I went on a gluten free diet for about four months. 16:01 drojf i think its doable as long as i can cook for myself 16:01 jcamins Hehe. 16:01 wizzyrea (both) 16:01 wizzyrea ^^^ is a common refrain 16:01 * jcamins couldn't do it. 16:00 drojf jcamins: discovered by accident a little time before edinburgh. after baking and eating spelt bread for a week and feeling much better suddenly 16:00 wizzyrea (I don't want to say "gluten free" because, well, life is too short to not enjoy bread now and then) 16:00 * wizzyrea is strongly considering going gluten-restricted 15:59 jcamins (probably more, but I only went to two with any regularity) 15:59 jcamins drojf: oh, you should have told me. There are two restaurants that have special Celiac-friendly menus. 15:59 jcamins Often $2/lb. 15:59 drojf i did not even try in edinburgh 15:59 jcamins $1+! 15:59 drojf the bigger problem is that you cannot eat anything outside. or somehow processed 15:58 jcamins I think it's $1/lb! 15:58 drojf not so much here 15:58 jcamins :P 15:58 jcamins Or, "expensive." 15:58 jcamins Spelt. 15:57 drojf i bake with spelt now. or what that is called in english 15:57 jcamins Though I need to clean my oven before I can do it again. 15:57 jcamins drojf: I love baking. 15:57 drojf i try to not eat wheat, seems its not good for me. you can have it all ;) 15:57 * jcamins does a happy dance, and wishes it were here now so he could have a huge salad. 15:57 wizzyrea cait's fennel salad is uh may zing. 15:57 jcamins And black turtle beans, pinto beans, wheat berries, hard red spring wheat, farro, whole wheat pastry flour, and cornmeal! 15:56 cait drojf: apparently I have a fennel salad recipe that meets international taste 15:56 jcamins And summer savory and lemon thyme! 15:56 jcamins And blueberries! 15:56 jcamins And zucchini. 15:56 jcamins Also lots of lettuce. 15:56 cait heh :) 15:55 drojf she made fennel good? 15:55 jcamins It is *all* her fault. 15:55 jcamins drojf: blame cait. 15:55 jcamins Community-Supported Agriculture. 15:55 drojf i've seen you talk about fennel before. you seem like a fennatic 15:55 eythian You get fennel from the Celiac Sprue Association? 15:54 jcamins Maybe we'll even get fennel! 15:54 jcamins :D 15:54 jcamins :D 15:54 jcamins Yay! Awesome selection from the CSA this week! 15:53 drojf ah its in kate. thats enough for me i guess 15:52 jcamins Yeah, Serna wins my vote. It shows you the structure. 15:52 eythian (mostly not visual) 15:52 eythian https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DocBookEditors <-- also a good list 15:51 jcamins (a sample that was included with Serna) 15:51 jcamins drojf: I opened up the same sample in both. 15:51 eythian It's time I updated the manual pages really. 15:51 drojf jcamins: how did you try that already? 15:51 eythian (also, see the programs list at the bottom) 15:51 drojf my download did not even finish, they also have a slow website 15:51 eythian https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DocBook <-- this I'm going to have to read in more depth 15:51 wizzyrea I've used serna, it's alright 15:50 jcamins Pfeh. Serna wins, I think. 15:50 drojf and that's a good thing 15:50 * wizzyrea pats eythian 15:50 eythian Writing a thesis in LaTeX broke me of that ability. 15:50 eythian this said, I can't actually work with visual editors. 15:49 nengard okey dokey 15:48 eythian nengard: I'd moved on from a commentary on what you use onto seeing what was out there :) 15:48 jcamins drojf: yeah, oXygen is very popular. If I do a lot of XML editing, I'll consider it. 15:48 drojf ;) 15:48 drojf jcamins: i had oxygen for a university class. i think its ~$350 15:48 nengard okay 15:48 jcamins At least out of those two, since I don't care enough to look for other options myself. :) 15:47 jcamins nengard: I will let you know which the best one is today. 15:47 nengard eythian, you can use whatever you want - that's what I'm saying - as long as the code comes across right I don't care what tool others use and they shouldn't care what I use 15:47 nengard I don't know what the best one is today - but when we switched to docbook I tried a bunch - this was the best for me personally 15:47 eythian Because I'd rather not use non-free stuff, and haven't learnt the docbook schema yet. 15:46 jcamins I've never been on the market for an XML editor before, but I'd like the best one. 15:46 * wizzyrea gets the popcorn 15:46 drojf nengard: i did not want to take away your freedom to choose a non-free product 15:46 eythian because we were seeing if there was a properly free visual editor out there. 15:46 * jcamins doesn't care. 15:45 nengard how about we let people use what they want to use - as long as you submit valid code I don't care what tool you use - we should all have the "freedom" to make our own decisions 15:45 jcamins That doesn't seem to be linked from any of the links that say "Downloads." 15:45 eythian they do 15:45 jcamins Well, they have a lousy website. 15:45 drojf should actually look in the window before pasting 15:45 drojf narf 15:45 drojf http://downloads.syntext.com/serna-free/ 15:44 eythian http://downloads.syntext.com/serna-free/ 15:44 eythian jcamins: nope 15:44 jcamins drojf: it's open source, but it asks you to contact them to download it? 15:43 drojf yes 15:43 drojf or http://www.syntext.com/products/serna-free/ rather. i dont see the license but there was gpl in a wikipedia list 15:43 eythian http://www.syntext.com/products/serna-free/ <-- this one maybe 15:42 drojf whats with this? http://www.syntext.com/products/serna/index.html 15:41 jcamins Hehe. 15:41 drojf a legal lemon is called a lime 15:41 jcamins Got it. 15:41 eythian if you're not matching a condition above, it turns into a legal lemon. 15:41 eythian > Licensee may use the Software for the purpose of evaluation of XMLmind XML Editor, for a limited time period that shall not exceed 30 days. 15:40 jcamins You're right. It doesn't say anything about "in thirty days I'm turning into a lemon bwahaha" when I start it. 15:40 * eythian doesn't approve of restricting usage of something either 15:40 eythian (or non profit or educational) 15:40 jcamins eythian: oh, that's okay then. 15:40 eythian jcamins: no, it's 30 days if it's not an open source project 15:40 cait sorry 15:39 cait lol 15:39 * eythian doesn't use OSX because he's a practical computer user who doesn't want other people to have control of what I can do. 15:39 nengard Trust me others have come before you all when we first looked for an option for the manual - and this is what we ended up picking 15:38 nengard and I need something that works on Mac OSX 15:38 nengard that's a code editor 15:38 nengard eythian, that doesn't look like a visual editor 15:38 jcamins However, I didn't read it closely. 15:37 jcamins I just read the license, and it looked like it was saying you could use it for 30 days on open source projects. 15:37 nengard http://www.xmlmind.com/xmleditor/download.shtml 15:37 eythian xmlcopyeditor? 15:37 jcamins Okay, that's fine then. 15:37 nengard let me find it 15:37 nengard forever free 15:37 nengard I have the free personal version - 15:37 jcamins Or is there a missing "or" there? 15:36 nengard i'm a practical computer user - if it works I use it - if it's open source that's better - but I'm not gonna not use something just cause it's not open source 15:36 jcamins nengard: it says you can only use it 30 days? 15:36 nengard it's freeware - not shareware and it works and I don't have an open source/free option to use 15:34 jcamins Eww. 15:34 jcamins Hm, but it's shareware? 15:34 drojf unfree. unfree. *hides* 15:33 * jcamins never saw that before. 15:33 jcamins Ooh, interesting. 15:32 nengard it's on the wiki 15:32 nengard that's what i use 15:32 nengard don't need to learn docbook - just xmleditor from xxe 15:32 jcamins nengard: Shari will be submitting patches to the manual once she's learned Docbook. :) 15:31 nengard hehe 15:31 jcamins nengard: yes, I had a feeling. :) 15:31 nengard can anyone tell that i'm working on the 3.10 manual? lots of string fixes submitted today :) 15:31 jcamins Though it will have to be supplemented by a desktop at some point, the same as my last one was for the last year or two. 15:30 jcamins I don't imagine my laptop is going to last 6 years, but I expect it will last me three or four. 15:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8071 blocker, P1 - high, ---, henridamien.laurent, Needs Signoff , link beween bib and authorities with the authid 15:30 tcohen hdl1: can you elaborate on how to test bug 8071? 15:30 eythian mine is about a month. 15:30 cait mine is not even 1 year old yet 15:30 eythian I could probably see that, too 15:30 eythian yeah, the manufacturers goal for the one I got was about a 6 year lifetime. 15:30 cait jcamins: exactly hehe 15:29 cait but next time is still far away - I tend to use my hardware for a longer time 15:29 jcamins eythian: fortunately, now that it's working, cait will probably not need to get another laptop for years. 15:29 cait probably :) 15:28 eythian cait: however next time you'll probably buy a laptop with just intel graphics, and everything will be nice and happy anyway. 15:25 jcamins :) 15:25 cait the only good thing about problems like this is that I learn something new everytime :) 15:24 drojf hehe 15:24 jcamins lol 15:24 cait thx again everyone forkeeping me sane and keeping my laptop from flying out the window :) 15:22 cait probably 15:22 cait no idea :( 15:21 drojf https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/871667 sounds great 15:20 drojf the nvidia driver? 15:20 drojf where did the wrong permissions come from? 15:20 cait in case someone wants to know: activating the second screen from the nvidia tools works and the login was wrong permissions on .Xauthority in my home directoy 15:20 drojf :) 15:19 drojf well that was easy 15:19 jcamins Yay! 15:19 cait and it's super fast 15:19 cait works even 15:18 cait it wors! 15:18 cait omg 15:17 drojf only took, like, hours? 15:17 drojf but it will probably just work now :) 15:16 drojf cait: i still had this here from before… http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/nvidia-settings#Zusaetzliche-Monitore http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Grafikkarten/NVIDIA/XServer_Optionen#TwinView-Zwei-Bildschirme-betreiben http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Disper one of these is going to help 15:15 cait ok... crossing fingers that I will have 2 working screens and a working login soon 15:15 cait heh:) 15:14 jcamins paul_p: look at that, H:T:P lost karma just by existing. 15:12 paul_p <!-- TMPL_VAR name="somevariable" --> is now [% (somevariable) %] 15:12 paul_p costed <! a lot of -- :D :D 15:12 paul_p hey, <!-- is the syntax for HTML::Template, we used before Template::Toolkit ! 15:10 cait now going to try the second screen again... 15:10 cait oook 15:10 cait now 15:10 cait hehe 15:09 cait drojf: not yet 15:06 jcamins Hehe. 15:06 huginn eythian: Karma for "C" has been increased 14 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 14. 15:06 eythian @karma C 15:05 drojf poor <! 15:05 wizzyrea pity party, probably 15:05 wizzyrea hehe yea 15:05 jcamins It's been increased eight times! 15:05 huginn mveron: Karma for "mveron" has been increased 29 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 29. 15:05 mveron @karma mveron 15:05 huginn jcamins: Karma for "<!" has been increased 8 times and decreased 116 times for a total karma of -108. 15:05 jcamins @karma <! 15:05 wizzyrea ;) 15:05 drojf :D 15:05 wizzyrea <!++ 15:05 wizzyrea :) 15:05 drojf Lowest karma: "<!" (-109) <- haha 15:05 * jcamins is catching up to wizzyrea! 15:04 jcamins Ooh. 15:04 huginn jcamins: Karma for "jcamins" has been increased 342 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 341. 15:04 jcamins @karma jcamins 15:04 huginn jcamins: Highest karma: "rangi" (594), "oleonard" (517), and "wizzyrea" (346). Lowest karma: "<!" (-109), "failed" (-84), and "-" (-51). You (jcamins) are ranked 4 out of 2131. 15:04 jcamins @karma 15:04 drojf can you log in again? 15:04 cait drojf++ jcamins++ eythian++ 15:04 cait nvidia-- 15:02 tcohen hahha 15:01 gaetan_B bye ! 15:01 jcamins tcohen++ # for giving me a reason to do it _now_ 15:01 jcamins I've been meaning to figure out how to push that to a public repo for weeks now. 15:01 jcamins hdl1: yes, I plan to. :D 15:00 hdl1 jcamins: And now you can send merge request to Frederic :D 15:00 jcamins I create one daemon with one process per instance. 15:00 jcamins fredericd's original daemon code creates one daemon per instance. 15:00 jcamins hdl1: I modified it. 14:59 hdl1 tcohen: you also have that on git.tamil.fr:tools iirc 14:56 jcamins Another thing for my to-do list: public git repo. 14:56 jcamins tcohen: https://github.com/jcamins/tamilcontribs 14:55 jcamins It should be finished with that soon. 14:55 tcohen :-D 14:55 jcamins tcohen: I'm uploading now. 14:52 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Brighton, Brighton, United Kingdom is 16.4°C (3:45 PM BST on June 26, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). 14:52 eythian @wunder brighton, uk 14:49 jcamins I thought I'd seen that at some point. 14:49 jcamins schuster: excellent! 14:49 schuster To fix my pac error messages.. 14:49 jcamins (and I couldn't figure out how to attach an object to an event) 14:49 schuster jcamins - found the patch that was pushed thanks! 14:48 jcamins But Perl OO is weird. 14:48 jcamins What it really *should* be doing is using one event loop. 14:48 * jcamins isn't really satisfied with his modified daemon, but at least it works. 14:48 tcohen thanks 14:47 jcamins eythian: agreed. 14:47 jcamins tcohen: if I can figure out how to create a new repo on github quickly, I'll push it now. 14:47 eythian really we should use a real queuing system 14:47 tcohen jcamins, when you have the time, please send me that version of fredericd's daemon 14:46 * jcamins will go with that option. 14:46 drojf1 heh 14:46 jcamins lol 14:46 cait or you read it and say mirko 14:46 * jcamins isn't a German speaker. 14:46 drojf1 just like it's written ;) 14:45 jcamins drojf1: how do you pronounce your nick? I have been wondering this for ages. 14:44 jcamins Any errors that show up during boot should also show up in dmesg. 14:44 eythian try the nosplash thing 14:44 eythian that is what it sounds like 14:43 cait someone else said a problem with the xserver dying? 14:42 drojf also you could disable the ubuntu splash screen on startup and see if that helps. i think nosplash in grub 14:42 eythian that was fixed though 14:42 eythian yeah, there was a bug where it just sat there doing nothing after entering the password, about 50% of the time 14:41 drojf but the lines that appear shortly should be in the log 14:41 drojf ;) 14:41 drojf this is because the pw is ok ; 14:41 cait it goes black for a second, then some lines of text are shown (too short to read anything) and I am back on the log in screen - there is no error message like wrong password 14:40 eythian (also, what exactly is happening when you try and it doesn't work?) 14:40 eythian errors and such from when you tried to log in but it failed 14:39 ryehex ok cool 14:39 cait hmfound the file now, but what am I looking for? 14:37 jcamins ryehex: right. 14:37 ryehex u mean just let koha do the db updates and I shouldn't worry about specific tables? 14:37 jcamins I've forgotten which one, but it was startlingly nice. 14:37 jcamins I found a desktop manager I really liked. 14:37 jcamins Oh, speaking of which. 14:37 drojf ok, link was old probably 14:37 eythian gdm is not used in ubuntu 12.04 14:36 eythian look in /var/log/lightdm 14:36 cait drojf: ? 14:36 drojf what desktop are you using? 14:35 cait seems there is no such file? 14:35 drojf cait: you should be able to get in using startx. but that is not the direct way… 14:35 jcamins ryehex: also, what eythian said. 14:34 eythian usually you just work on the database as a whole, not individual tables. 14:34 eythian ryehex: it's not usual to do it at such a low level that this is something you'll encounter. 14:34 cait drojf: working on it 14:34 cait eythian: it burns... 14:33 drojf cait: what came out of the greeter log thingy? 14:33 jcamins ryehex: keep deleted_*, but you can remove all the import_* 14:33 ryehex We want to migrate our old koha db from 3.00.01.005 to a clean 3.8 koha install. I read that tables 'sessions' and 'zebraqueue' have no value to migrate over. Is there anything in the 'deleted*' or 'import_*' tables that is necessary to migrate the the new install? 14:31 eythian cait: remember the hating bit? 14:30 cait ... and all because I wanted a second screen... 14:29 jcamins You need that, and you need this: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Building_Debian_Packages 14:28 jcamins I should probably have a list of packages that are required for release-tool.pl to work. 14:28 jcamins Told ya. :P 14:27 tcohen an ICBM! 14:27 tcohen ! 14:27 jcamins (with, granted, several hundred lines of POD) 14:27 jcamins I have a 1000-line script. 14:26 jcamins Normal people have a ~10 line script. 14:26 jcamins Open up release-tool.pl, and you'll see what I mean. 14:26 tcohen hehe 14:26 jcamins Yup. 14:26 tcohen intercontinental ballistic missile? 14:26 jcamins tcohen: if you look at release-tool.pl in that repo, it does basically everything. 14:26 jcamins tcohen: hehe. 14:25 tcohen i just understand the meaning of a few of that words! 14:23 jcamins https://github.com/jcamins/release-tools 14:23 jcamins Instead of using the recommended flyswatter for killing that gnat, I use an ICBM! 14:23 tcohen how hard is to set everything for tha? 14:23 jcamins Yup. 14:23 tcohen but you build your own packages.. ? 14:23 jcamins tcohen: I don't use stock Koha. 14:22 tcohen they don't want to lose 14:22 tcohen but we added some fancy stuff to our 3.0.x setup 14:21 tcohen i'm trying to convince our users to accept the stock koha 14:21 tcohen i didnnt have the time to set a deb building service for our infrastructure 14:21 jcamins No, you just install it using apt or cpan. 14:20 tcohen will it be included into koha any time soon? 14:20 jcamins Which is just as well, since I still haven't set up a new public git repo. 14:20 jcamins In that case my modifications of fredericd's daemon won't be helpful. 14:20 tcohen we have our own svn for deployment 14:19 tcohen no 14:19 jcamins Do you use packages? 14:19 jcamins Though I don't have 30+ instances. 14:19 tcohen i'll give it a try 14:19 jcamins tcohen: agreed. That's why I use the daemon. 14:19 tcohen jcamins: using cron does not scale for us. Using a daemon does 14:19 jcamins tcohen: I use fredericd's daemon. 14:18 drojf http://superuser.com/questions/291044/cannot-login-in-graphical-mode-ubuntu-10-04-lts 14:18 drojf mom 14:18 drojf i think that link was not really helpful, only if you have the same error. they also said something about disabling ubuntu splash screen 14:18 * cait laughs hysterically 14:18 jcamins tcohen: no. 14:18 cait now i can't log in as my normal user... but dual screen works... 14:18 cait lol 14:17 cait drojf: I would really like to fix that :( 14:17 tcohen does anyone have +30 koha's in the same server with cron-ed zebra -z every minute? 14:16 cait drojf: says the internet about my logging in problem? do you have a link? 14:15 eythian future releases are going to be able to use xrandr apparently 14:15 eythian twinview is nvidia's "special" way of doing dual screen. 14:14 eythian OK 14:12 cait so I think we can at least rule out broken hardware 14:12 cait in "twinview" 14:12 cait and I got the second screen working for a minute 14:12 cait logged in as my koha user (thatworked ... not sure why 14:11 cait ok 14:08 jcamins Hm. I thought there was something about the OPAC. 14:08 eythian maybe your vga plug is broken? 14:08 drojf says the internet 14:08 drojf cait: cat /var/log/gdm/:0-greeter.log 14:08 cait ;) 14:08 cait eythian: no, not ok. grrrrr. 14:08 schuster I did go to bugz and there was a problem but it reffered to the staff client only. 14:06 eythian hmm ok 14:06 cait gui 14:05 eythian from the gui or the command line? 14:05 cait *cries* 14:05 cait uhoh :( 14:05 cait yeah 14:05 drojf hm 14:04 jcamins Uh-oh. 14:04 cait installed a different nvidia driver and now I can#t log into my system??? 14:04 cait ohfun 14:04 jcamins Did you look in bugzilla? 14:04 jcamins schuster: there was a problem with that recently, I think. 14:02 eythian I have seen it, not sure what situations it comes up in, maybe only when you change from the default? 14:02 schuster I used one of the demo systems and don't see the cookie get set there either...??? 14:02 schuster Is anyone else getting that cookie? 3.6.5 Koha. 14:02 schuster I have a question about opac language and setting cookies. I am seeing a lot of errors in my koha-opac-error-log and was investigating. Templates.pm calls to look at the KohaOpacLanguage cookie, but I'm not seeing it set when I go into pac anywhere. 14:00 cait1 brb ( I hope) 13:58 eythian http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/ie/forum/ie8-windows_other/what-is-causing-webpage-has-expired-page-to-be/29ac7a88-b38c-4596-b4f7-439b7348194f <-- "solution" 13:57 jcamins eythian: there's nothing to do about it. 13:57 cait1 and I think there was no solution (afaik) 13:57 eythian cait1: OK cool. In that case, I can just tell them that. 13:57 cait1 might be on bugzilla too 13:57 cait1 eythian: I think it#s a known bug with ie 13:57 sekjal later, all 13:57 wahanui somebody said meeting time was always going to favour one section of the globe 13:57 sekjal meeting time 13:57 eythian (aside from the obvious) 13:57 eythian and know what to do about it? 13:56 drojf also http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Disper 13:56 eythian does anyone see "webpage has expired" messages in the staff client when the back button is use with IE? 13:55 wahanui well, searching is not working 13:55 cait1 searching 13:55 drojf cait1: in the nvidia program or the general graphics settings? 13:53 cait1 heh 13:53 cait1 aha 13:52 * jcamins speculates wildly that maybe there's a box somewhere in the configuration program that you have to check to enable the VGA interface. 13:52 cait1 drojf, jcamins: before it said nothing was plugged in - now it does not now about vga at all? 13:51 mrenvoize Good morning.. 13:51 maximep good morning =) 13:51 cait1 hi maximep and mrenvoize 13:50 cait1 I have no other cable... so anything else would require a trip to the shop right now 13:50 jcamins Darn. That's what I was going to suggest you do. :( 13:50 cait1 vga 13:50 jcamins cait1: are you trying with VGA or DisplayPort? 13:50 jcamins 320 x 175? Why would anyone want to do that? 13:50 eythian that looks relatively normal for having one screen... 13:49 cait1 that's from running xrandr 13:49 cait1 http://paste.koha-community.org/7 13:49 cait1 eythian: exactly 13:48 mveron jcamins: Thanks :-) 13:48 eythian does it not see it? 13:48 cait1 eythian: tried it - no change 13:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8058 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chrish, Needs Signoff , Circulation empty barcode field redirect to pay fines screen if borrower has outstanding fines 13:47 jcamins mveron: I like your suggestion on bug 8058 a lot. 13:47 eythian and click the detect button? 13:47 drojf unplug and put in again? 13:47 cait1 ook 13:47 eythian what does the nvidia-settings say about your monitor? 13:47 cait and switching this here back so I cna copy and paste :) 13:47 eythian why not? 13:47 cait no working external monitor 13:46 eythian what does the appropriate configuration screen say? 13:45 jcamins Definitely using nvida, then. Still no working external monitor? 13:44 cait lots of tabs with configuration options 13:44 cait no 13:44 eythian rather than just "hey, you don't seem to have an nvidia card" 13:43 eythian (and says something useful, like what you have plugged in) 13:43 cait runs 13:42 eythian if it works, nvidia. If not, not. 13:42 eythian cait: run nvidia-settings 13:42 cait more suggestons? 13:42 sekjal 1 Q&A session, 1 survey discussion, 1 committee meeting, 2 website consultations 13:42 cait hm 13:41 drojf depends on the meetings ;) 13:41 jcamins sekjal: productive day! 13:41 sekjal aaaand, that makes 5 meetings today, starting in 20 min, and going straight through the rest of the workday 13:41 drojf it helps watching ;) 13:40 cait does that help my problem? 13:40 cait heh 13:40 drojf s 13:40 * drojf inhales gummy bear 13:37 * jcamins doesn't know exactly where that would be. <-- no X 13:37 cait ? 13:37 cait ok= 13:36 jcamins It'll be somewhere in your X log 13:36 cait hm xrandr looks different now 13:35 cait how can I check? 13:35 cait but I am not trusting it 13:35 cait it shoudl 13:35 jcamins It probably is using nvidia, because you disabled the Intel graphics. 13:34 drojf heh 13:34 cait trying to find out now :) 13:34 cait not sure yet it's really using the nvidia thing... but I have a desktop 13:34 cait lol 13:34 drojf woohoo 13:33 drojf helping each other: cait-drojf 1000:1 <-- now \o/ 13:33 cait drojf: I have a desktop! 13:33 cait and thx again to all helping :) 13:32 drojf good luck 13:32 cait restarting 13:32 drojf also http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers agrees 13:32 drojf i had to do that somewhen, long ago. but it worked then 13:31 * jcamins is glad drojf actually knows something about all this... he was just making stuff up that sounded good. ;) 13:29 drojf reboot 13:29 cait I did add both lines, same output for startx 13:28 drojf also i suggested that before the blog post :P 13:27 drojf and add "blacklist nouveau" while you are there 13:27 drojf add "blacklist nv" 13:27 drojf /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf 13:27 cait some blog post suggests blacklisting nv - but blacklist does not exist as command 13:27 cait not sure... 13:26 cait it was a long list of things 13:26 eythian like "rebuilding module" 13:25 eythian when you did the reinstall, did it do dkms stuff? 13:25 cait and some more errors along those lines after that 13:25 cait then: Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module has ersion 295.49 but this NVIDIA driver component has version 295.40. Please make sure that the kernel module and all NVIDIA drier components have the same version 13:24 cait Failed to load module 'nv' (module does not exist) 13:23 cait the first 2 errors from starx are: 13:23 cait drojf: if you want I can sent you a photo of the screen... heh 13:23 cait yeah, not helpful :) 13:23 drojf cait: got the nv message again? 13:22 eythian not that that's helpful I'm afraid. 13:22 cait I can feel it 13:21 eythian this is because nvidia hates you 13:21 cait eythian: I did it, no change in xstart 13:20 cait and for the record... the second screen works on my old old old laptop without any problems... only had to plug it in :( 13:19 cait trying 13:19 cait ok 13:19 eythian apt-get install --reinstall ... 13:19 cait sudo apt-get remove nvidia_current? 13:19 cait sorry, my linux vocabulary is still terrible :( 13:18 cait tell me how maybe? 13:18 cait ok... 13:18 jcamins cait: you probably need to uninstall the nvidia module, then reinstall. 13:18 cait that's progress 13:18 cait bot the second laptop to connect to the internet 13:18 cait ok, first problem solved 13:18 cait hah 13:17 jcamins Ah. 13:16 eythian I can't actually see that it uses it 13:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8062 critical, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Stable , Cart email broken for non english templates 13:15 eythian Am I wrong, or does bug 8062 introduce a dependency on HTML::FormatText and not declare it? 13:15 eythian well, part of it 13:14 eythian it sounds like it is 13:14 cait-m__ dont think thats the prob 13:13 drojf you can blacklist the module if you dont want to use it 13:13 cait-m__ ? 13:13 drojf blacklist nv 13:11 cait-m__ hmpf :-( 13:04 jcamins Maybe. 13:03 jcamins I think. 13:03 jcamins You don't want to load nv. You want to use nvidia. 13:03 jcamins nv? 13:03 cait-m__ that could be the problem maybe? 13:03 cait-m__ api mismatch between driver component and kernel mkdule? 13:02 cait-m__ failed to liad module nv 13:00 cait-m__ hmm startx looks not good 13:00 eythian it's ==== in the middle 12:59 nengard for some reason i thought it was ---- 12:59 nengard thanks jcamins 12:59 cait-m__ i tried the jockey line from the wesite takes forever no output 12:58 eythian I think the conflict markers appear the same no matter what merge type you use 12:58 jcamins (git am -3iu patchfile) 12:58 jcamins But you had to apply the patch with 3-way merge. 12:58 magnuse eythian++ 12:58 jcamins Search for <<< 12:57 nengard can someone remind me how to find conflicts in a file that i'm trying to commit? 12:57 eythian looks like I'll be able to test and sign-off on this... 12:57 eythian magnuse: cheers 12:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8315 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , fix 'C4::Output 3.02' errors in Koha 12:56 magnuse eythian: bug 8315 12:55 cait-m__ hm have to wait for jockey right now 12:55 jcamins Or maybe just switch to VT-8? 12:54 jcamins Run startx? 12:54 jcamins Okay, that means the modprobe line probably succeeded. 12:54 eythian > C4::Output version 3.02 required--this is only version 3.08.01.002 at /home/robin/kohaclones/ca/opac/opac-tags.pl line 41. 12:54 cait-m__ none indtalled 12:53 cait-m__ jockey says the same as before , 12:53 eythian to which? 12:53 cait-m__ did now - no output 12:53 eythian and/or jockey-text 12:51 jcamins Did you try sudo modprobe nvidia-current? 12:50 cait-m__ ok trapped on command line... what can i do? 12:49 cait-m__ no luck with my devices today 12:49 cait-m__ old laptop hates the access point 12:49 cait-m__ grrr 12:36 cait Iwill be back, thx all for helping me :) 12:36 cait ok 12:36 jcamins cait: right, so you need to enable discrete graphics in the BIOS, and then do the jocky-text bit. 12:36 eythian you can't load the module if it's turned off I'd expect 12:36 cait ok 12:36 cait eythian: I kinda had to to come back... 12:36 jcamins Okay, so it's installed but not loadable. 12:36 eythian do you maybe have the nvidia bit turned off in the bios? 12:35 eythian I guess they renamed the module since I last looked. 12:35 cait ah sorry, looked not so much on the screen 12:35 cait nvidia-current-updates, 295.49, 3.2.0-25-generic, x86_64: installed 12:35 cait nvidia-current-updates, 295.49, 3.2.0-24-generic, x86_64: installed 12:35 cait nvidia-current, 295.40, 3.2.0-25-generic, x86_64: installed 12:35 cait nvidia-current, 295.40, 3.2.0-24-generic, x86_64: installed 12:35 cait jcamins: nvidia-current, 295.40, 3.0.0-17-generic, x86_64: installed 12:35 cait FATAL: Error inserting nvidia_current (/lib/modules/3.2.0-25-generic/updates/dkms/nvidia_current.ko): No such device 12:35 jcamins sudo dkms status 12:34 eythian so 'sudo modprobe nv<tab>' 12:34 eythian you can tab-complete modprobe 12:34 cait more ideas hints? 12:34 cait ok 12:34 cait *sigh* 12:34 cait I think it should be possible and maybe it even worked in the past... but not totally sure 12:34 eythian oh right 12:34 jcamins eythian: the instructions on that page were how to use the nVidia card. 12:33 cait fatal: module nvidia not found 12:33 eythian I don't think you drive the nvidia side in linux anyway 12:33 jcamins ^^ does that do anything? 12:33 eythian no -current on the module I think 12:33 jcamins sudo modprobe nvidia-current 12:32 cait yeah, I tried that - instead of _ - still the same 12:32 jcamins Maybe try xorg:nvidia-current? 12:32 jcamins Not sure, then, sorry. :( 12:31 jcamins Hm. 12:31 cait but that is installed 12:31 cait oh yes typo 12:31 jcamins It's nvidia-current that you need. 12:31 cait says unknown driver 12:31 cait jockey-text -e xorg:nvidia_current < this doesn't work 12:31 cait the package manager shows nvidia-common as installed 12:30 jcamins You'll have to enable the drivers the first time from the TTY, I suspect. 12:30 jcamins cait: oh, you already installed and enabled the drivers? 12:29 drojf cait: http://www.produnis.de/blog/?p=1506 it's about a docking station, but that may be irrelevant for the graphics part 12:29 cait jcamins: I tried hat... and I ended up on command line 12:28 cait I am still reading :) 12:28 * jcamins would go with option 2 on that first page, at least to start with. 12:27 jcamins http://zachstechnotes.blogspot.com/2012/04/post-title.html 12:26 eythian "optimus" is a dual nvidia-integrated thing, it'll "seamlessly" switch between them depending on graphics load and battery needs. 12:26 jcamins http://zachstechnotes.blogspot.com/2012/01/tri-head-display-on-linux-thinkpad-w520.html 12:26 * cait doesn't want to be hated... 12:26 cait eythian: that's not helpful! 12:26 eythian drojf: no 12:26 cait no, I think you are right 12:25 eythian http://askubuntu.com/questions/103564/external-displays-with-bumblebee <-- I think the problem boils down to "nvidia hates you" 12:25 drojf nvidia and optimus? ok i thought the optimus is nvidia and guessed the integrated is intel. now im confused 12:25 cait the external just doesn't work at all... I was trying to find out why 12:25 drojf but it still tries to use it for external monitor? 12:25 cait there are 3 settings, nvidia, optimus and integrated 12:24 drojf ok 12:24 cait drojf: yeah, I did theat 12:24 cait sorry, already getting bit confused here... meh. 12:24 drojf can you disable the nvidia in bios? 12:24 jcamins Right. 12:24 drojf but with the intel card and not the nvidia optimus 12:24 cait it is 12:24 jcamins It's not just an external monitor? 12:24 cait ah, maybe I misunderstood jcamins 12:24 cait a second screen 12:24 cait thinkpad w520 12:24 drojf what do you want? 12:23 cait jcamins: that's not what I want 12:23 jcamins What laptop do you have? Maybe there's some way to tell it to use the external monitor with the integrated video? 12:23 jcamins Hehe. Yeah, I'd imagine. 12:23 cait eythian: it reported "no proprietary drivers used" 12:23 sekjal a lot, I think is the answer 12:22 sekjal I looked at libpurple, the Pidgin core, and wondered how much effort it would take to make our own chat solution 12:22 cait extra stuur - sounds like extra stubborn in German :) 12:22 cait lol 12:22 jcamins sekjal: makes sense. 12:22 sekjal jcamins: we're probably just going to switch over to LibChat, and only offer limited legacy support for chat over single networks 12:21 eythian (or type "jockey" into dash, that'll make it show up) 12:21 eythian or, search for however "Extra stuur programma's" is translated into english, that'll find it too. 12:20 jcamins Well, that might be it then. 12:20 jcamins Oh. 12:20 eythian I think now it comes up automatically if needed. 12:20 jcamins Then they redid everything and made it weird. 12:20 jcamins cait: Ubuntu used to have a "find proprietary drivers" program. 12:19 cait anyone any hints how to find the right drivers? 12:19 sekjal cait: ah, I imagine laptops are even more difficult to work with there 12:19 cait um 12:19 eythian ah right. They've gotten a lot better. 12:19 jcamins Of course, that was on Ubuntu 6.4. 12:19 jcamins eythian: really? There used to be. 12:19 eythian intel puts its drivers into the kernel tree, in general 12:19 eythian jcamins: I don't think there are proprietary intel drivers 12:19 jcamins cait: which laptop? 12:18 cait sekjal: it's a laptop - so I hope it will work :) 12:18 jcamins sekjal: oh, I found a website that you might find interesting: http://www.lassanamagassa.com/2012/06/meebo-messenger-is-shutting-down-now-what/ 12:18 sekjal cait: first graphics card I bought for my Ubuntu desktop didn't work very well at all... even with proprietary drivers. had to swap out for a more robustly supported card 12:18 cait that's why I was gone so long :) 12:17 cait I don't care if it doesn#t support optimus I think but it would be nice if it didn't send me to command line when I switch to the nvidia in bios 12:17 jcamins What about installing the proprietary drivers for the Intel video? 12:17 cait eythian: I think they made some progess on it, but it's still very experimental, I didn't try it 12:17 eythian ? 12:17 eythian have you tried "bumblebee" 12:17 cait drojf: you do one, I learn from htat? ;) 12:16 eythian and nvidia is refusing to support it 12:16 drojf just write a driver :) 12:16 eythian that's terrible 12:16 eythian optimus 12:16 eythian oh 12:16 cait yay ;) 12:16 drojf ;) 12:16 drojf your chance to become one 12:16 * cait is not a hardware geek 12:16 cait which is not supported by linux right now I think 12:15 cait optimus 12:15 cait gr 2 12:15 cait it has too 12:15 cait no 12:15 cait maybe 12:15 drojf you also bought an external graphics card for the monitor? 12:15 cait yeah 12:15 jcamins Maybe you need to install proprietary drivers for it? 12:14 cait it's using the integrated and perhaps that's why it's not working... 12:14 cait I think ubuntu doesn't like the graphics card 12:03 eythian clearly 12:03 drojf wrong cable 12:03 eythian oh 12:03 eythian (intel, nvidia, ?) 12:03 eythian what video card? 12:03 drojf lol 12:03 drojf in kde there come up screen settings when you plug in the monitor. worked in ubuntu and debian 12:02 cait1 yes it is! :P 12:02 eythian is the other end of the cable plugged into the screen? :) 12:02 cait1 I am trying something, brb 12:02 cait1 eythian: there is no indication that something was plugged in 12:02 cait1 eythian: I tried that... :( 12:02 eythian but on mine, I just plug it in 12:02 cait1 xrandr without auto indicates there is nothing plugged in 12:02 eythian open the screen settings? 12:01 cait1 hm nothing happening so far 12:01 cait1 newest ubuntu... forgot the name again :) 12:00 cait1 ubuntu 12:00 drojf also depends on the dektop environment, not only os 11:59 hdl1 should could fo the job on Linux machine 11:58 hdl1 xrandr --auto 11:58 drojf depends on your os though 11:58 hdl1 cait1: which os, which version ? 11:58 drojf plug it in? 11:57 cait1 bought a second screen... is there a trick to make my laptop see it? 11:57 drojf hey jcamins 11:57 cait1 hi drojf and jcamins 11:57 jcamins Hi cait1 and drojf. 11:56 drojf hi cait1 11:56 drojf i said it first ;) 11:55 cait1 hi #koha 11:55 drojf hi #koha 10:28 eythian http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/vkwjz/iama_significant_portion_of_the_firefox_for/c55ec4d <-- the "mentored bugs" thing here is interesting. 09:37 * magnuse added kohacon12 09:35 drojf later 09:35 drojf but im off to nonkoha work now 09:35 drojf i think we should have kohacon12 also, we didnt talk about it besides i said it was awesome. if there is more to say about it that is 09:34 magnuse ooh :-) 09:34 drojf magnuse++ 09:26 magnuse http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_18_July_2012 says 10 now, anyone is free to edit, of course 09:24 drojf there was a final mail from brooke. i'm on my tablet, don't have my email archive here. but the discussion was 2 or 10 i think 09:23 magnuse i'm creating the page now 09:22 magnuse ok 09:22 drojf should be 10 09:22 magnuse 10 utc? 09:22 drojf yes 09:22 magnuse did we ever decide on a time for the july meeting? 08:47 drojf1 omg i'm in the koha newsletter. i'm a celebrity *autographs some pictures of himself* 08:44 drojf1 hey mveron :) 08:44 mveron Hi drojfl :-) 08:42 mveron Hi rangi 08:42 rangi hi mveron 08:42 mveron Hi #koha :-) 08:38 cait bye all :) 08:35 eythian g'morning 08:34 rangi hi eythian 08:33 wahanui hey, eythian 08:33 eythian hello 08:33 cait morning eythian:) 08:27 mtj- Damian _Conway++ 08:26 mtj- pretty interesting stuff -> http://search.cpan.org/~dconway/Regexp-Grammars/lib/Regexp/Grammars.pm 08:24 asaurat nice =) 08:24 Oak awesome name 08:24 cait son of my older brother :) 08:24 cait asaurat: markus 08:24 Oak ahhh coool 08:24 asaurat1 what's his name ? 08:23 asaurat1 ooooh 08:23 cait I was visiting my new baby nephew 08:23 Oak :) 08:22 cait :) 08:22 cait Oak:! 08:20 drojf good morning #koha 08:19 Oak magnuse 08:19 Oak where wert thou? 08:19 Oak cait! 08:14 mtj- and a nice plug for jenkins too 08:11 mtj- yeah, i can imagine... 08:11 rangi thanks, it was tricky to write 08:11 mtj- rangi++, nice email :) 08:03 mib_cvux1w Hi, need help about KOHA theme change! 08:01 asaurat1 hi!! 07:59 rangi heya asaurat1 07:42 rangi and evening all 07:38 * rangi answers stacy 07:08 gaetan_B hola wahanui ;) 07:07 wahanui hola, gaetan_B 07:07 gaetan_B hello 07:06 reiveune hello 06:50 julian_m hi 06:37 cait hi #koha 06:32 alex_a bonjour 04:46 * Oak wondering where cait is 03:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8315 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , fix 'C4::Output 3.02' errors in Koha 03:48 mtj- logged a bug 8315 ...:) 03:44 mtj- cjh_: yep, agreed, its something related to 'use' -> http://perldoc.perl.org/functions/use.html 03:42 cjh_ although most places in koha dont mention the version they require so it does seem superfluous 03:41 cjh_ is it possible to fix the faulty comparison? 03:39 mtj- i think simply remove the '3.02' stuff , its unnecessary 03:38 mtj- i'm not sure what is the best fix... 03:37 cjh_ heh 03:37 mtj- C4::Output version 3.02 required--this is only version 3.07.00.049 at /home/mason/git/head/tags/review.pl line 33. 03:37 mtj- hmm this looks new... 03:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8191 minor, P5 - low, ---, sophie.meynieux, Pushed to Stable , New value for 8 position in coded data field 100 in unimarc 03:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8255 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , Local cover images should be cacheable 03:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Bug for tracking changes to the about page 03:18 jenkins_koha * sophie.meynieux: Bug 8191 : Adding a new value to 8 position of coded data field 100 03:18 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8255: allow local cover images to be cached 03:18 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: Bug 7143 Followup for timeline 03:18 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #74: SUCCESS in 51 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/74/ 02:26 jenkins_koha Starting build #74 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 02:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7368 trivial, P5 - low, ---, veron, ASSIGNED , General staff client typo omnibus 02:26 jenkins_koha veron: Bug 7368 - General staff client typo omnibus 02:26 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #73: SUCCESS in 51 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/73/ 01:53 rangi dh_install: etc/koha/zebradb/zebra-biblios-dom.cfg exists in debian/tmp but is not installed to anywhere 01:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7818 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , support DOM mode for Zebra indexing of bibliographic records 01:51 rangi bug 7818 breaks the packaging 01:50 rangi ah ha 01:35 jenkins_koha Starting build #73 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 01:19 SJeffery There is, SLA, that one has its own advantages and disadvantages 01:17 Oak hello rangi :) 01:17 rangi hi Oak 01:17 Oak kia ora #koha 01:15 rangi is there a corporate libraries association? 01:15 SJeffery ALA is not well-suited for corporate libraries, but you can get a lot out of it if you work it 01:13 rangi yup thats what i always say, the hallway track is the best conference track 01:13 SJeffery There was a good one on IT strategic planning this afternoon...but really, you get more out of the networking and committees than the sessions,. 01:12 rangi what was your pick of the conference? 01:11 rangi ahhh 01:11 SJeffery Plenty, also involved in committee stuff 01:11 rangi did you go to any sessions? 01:10 SJeffery Yeah, I will head back tomorrow afternoon. 01:10 rangi ahh not too far away at least 01:09 SJeffery no, az. 01:09 rangi SJeffery: are you from california? 01:06 rangi yeah i went to my first one last year, in new orleans, exhausting is exactly how id describe it 01:06 SJeffery Exhausting is a good way to describe it 01:05 wahanui it has been said that crazy is if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder 01:05 rangi SJeffery: crazy? 00:56 SJeffery Thank god ala is over 00:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8194 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Layout problem on subscription add when showing manual history 00:41 jenkins_koha oleonard: Bug 8194 - Layout problem on subscription add when showing manual history 00:41 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #72: SUCCESS in 51 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/72/