Time Nick Message 00:04 rangi https://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/epic-fail-photos-autocowrecks-i-was-just-calling-to-ask-for-a-ride-you-insensitive-jag.jpg 00:20 jcamins Is there any way to find out the last commit in a branch that was tagged? 00:21 jcamins git describe. 00:22 jcamins git describe --abbrev=0 00:22 rangi cool 00:22 * jcamins makes get_bugs.pl use that. 00:27 jcamins There must be a shorthand way of opening a file such that if the provided filename is '-' the script prints to stdout. 00:29 jcamins Oh, >$filename 00:30 jcamins Guess I'll use the two-argument form of open(). 00:34 jcamins Any way to make Perl squelch newlines when reading in from `commands`? 00:35 jcamins If I use chomp, it won't mess up anything that doesn't have a newline. That'll do. 00:45 jcamins rangi: new version of get_bugs.pl 01:01 rangi did you push? 01:08 jcamins_away rangi: yeah, https://github.com/jcamins/release-tools 01:09 rangi ah cool, to kc later? 01:10 jcamins_away I don't think I have access 01:10 rangi hmm 01:11 jcamins_away I've been having chris_n push my changes. 01:11 rangi ahh right 02:19 jenkins_koha Starting build #64 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 02:31 jcamins_away Ugh. 02:31 * jcamins_away is trying to rebase 7943. 02:33 rangi oh yeah that might be tricky 02:33 rangi i went to fix the conflict and bailed 02:33 jcamins_away Very sensible. 02:34 rangi it's valid to just say, it builds on work in master, so best to wait for 3.10 too 02:34 jcamins_away Nah, I *really* want it in 3.8. 02:34 rangi ahh righto :) 02:53 druthb o/ 02:53 rangi heya druthb 02:53 druthb :) hi 02:54 jcamins_away o/ 02:54 jcamins_away Rebased 7943 against 3.8.x. 02:54 jcamins_away Wonder if it would apply on 3.6.x... 02:55 rangi cool, ill test it out tonight 02:59 jcamins_away Yeah, could do. 03:01 jcamins_away Attached the follow-up as well. 03:01 rangi cool 03:02 rangi ohh good lord 03:02 rangi someone asked about a tv 03:03 jcamins_away A tv? 03:03 rangi and now we have people calculating how many pixels you need to have depending on how many arcminutes you take human acuity to be 03:03 rangi i work with geeks 03:04 jcamins_away lol 03:06 jcamins_away Bug 3462 is ready for sign off. 03:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3462 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Link see alsos in authorities 03:07 rangi oooohhh 03:08 rangi thats totally sandbox testable too eh? 03:08 jcamins_away Yep. 03:08 rangi sweet 03:10 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #64: SUCCESS in 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/64/ 03:10 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: Bug 7367 Followup for opac-suggestions template 03:10 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 8232: Comments in OPAC contain untranslatable javascript messages 03:10 jenkins_koha * matthias.meusburger: Bug 8229: Tabs in marc subfield structure is not shown correctly 03:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7367 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , General OPAC typo omnibus 03:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8232 minor, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , Comments in OPAC contain untranslatable javascript messages 03:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8229 major, P5 - low, ---, matthias.meusburger, Pushed to Stable , Tabs in marc subfield structure is not shown correctly 03:10 jenkins_koha Starting build #65 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 03:10 rangi for fun try this 03:10 rangi for i in Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat Sun; do echo $( echo " $i: "; git shortlog -n --format='%ad %s'| grep "$i " | wc -l); done 03:11 jcamins_away Cool! 03:12 cjh heh, Tuesdays are winning. 03:12 rangi yep 03:12 cjh very neat. 03:15 jcamins_away Time to match some authorities. 03:16 jcamins_away Hm. 03:17 rangi jcamins_away: for i in Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat Sun; do echo $( echo " $i: "; git shortlog -n --format='%ad %s %aN'| grep "Esakov" | grep "$i " | wc -l); done 03:17 rangi sunday is your most productive day 03:17 jcamins_away I hate it when I inadvertantly upload 100MB of authorities into my system. 03:17 rangi for i in Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat Sun; do echo $( echo " $i: "; git shortlog -n --format='%ad %s %aN'| grep "Chris Hall" | grep "$i " | wc -l); done 03:18 jcamins_away Saturdays are pretty good for me, too. 03:18 rangi yup 03:18 jcamins_away Why did I just hit the Stage button on a 100MB authority file? 03:18 rangi heh 03:19 jcamins_away That was a bad idea. 03:19 rangi go have a sleep, it'll be ready in the morning :) 03:19 jcamins_away lol 03:20 jcamins_away Yeah, after this Magnum PI episode ends I will. 03:20 druthb Magnum PI? Gosh, I've not seen that in years and years. 03:21 jcamins_away Shari is introducing me to the TV shows of her generation. :P 03:21 druthb lol 03:21 druthb Tom Selleck and his Amazing...Mustache. 03:55 jcamins_away Bug 7475 requires terminal access for sign-off. 03:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7475 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Option to overlay authorities 03:55 jcamins_away 2060 won't, but 7475 comes first. 03:55 * jcamins_away goes to bed. 03:59 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #65: SUCCESS in 49 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/65/ 03:59 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 8223 - Properly format SQL query in C4::Bookseller::GetBookSeller 03:59 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 6720: show authority type in auth details 03:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8223 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Stable , Properly format SQL query in C4::Bookseller::GetBookSeller 03:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6720 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Saved authorities always show as 'Default' 04:05 cait hm 04:07 Oak Alohaa #koha 04:07 Oak up early cait ? 04:20 cait Oak: yes, travelling today 04:31 Oak good 04:31 Oak traveling is good 04:39 cait ok, have to go :) bye all 04:40 vkm is there anyway to restrict purchase suggestion catogory of user wise 06:11 mtj hmm, how to test templates with 'prove t/foo.t' , again... ? 06:11 mtj i've forgotten the name of the .t file :/ 06:22 mtj ah, twas prove ./xt, not prove ./t :) 06:35 umer Hi everyone.. i have a little problem with the automatic email sending to new patron accounts.. can anyone help me with this 06:41 alex_a bonjour 06:41 wahanui privet, alex_a 06:44 umer I can sends automatic emails to the new accouts with their username and password when i creat an account manually and put their username and password manually while makin the account. But when i use the import patrons tool KOHA doesnt send automatic emails to the new accounts. can any one help me with this or suggest some solution.. 06:49 fredericd rangi: 3.8.2 released version contains in kohaversion.pl: 3.08.01.002, not 3.08.02.000 06:50 reiveune hello 06:59 gaetan_B hello :) 07:30 ropuch_ Morning #koha 07:32 rangi Yep noticed after the release but figure it's not really a problem. Not enough to do a new tarball anyway 07:37 julian_m hello 07:37 wahanui que tal, julian_m 07:39 hdl hi 07:39 wahanui hello, hdl 07:48 matts hi #koha ! 08:07 rangi hi matts, hdl ropuch paul_p sophie_m asaurat fredericd rangi and gaetan_B 08:16 ropuch Hello rangi 08:19 jenkins_koha Starting build #66 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 08:20 asaurat hi rangi ! 08:25 rangi asaurat: i was just looking at a blurry photo of us 08:25 rangi http://pub.veggie.fr/biblibre/pics/index.php?cmd=image&sfpg=MjAxMl8wNl8wNS0xMV9Lb2hhY29uX0VkaW5idXJnaC9tYXR0cy8qUElDVDE4NDMuSlBHKjFjYjBlODhkN2Y3ZjE0MDM1OTliODVmY2E3ZjEwYjQ0 08:25 rangi i look very confused :) 08:26 asaurat hehe 08:27 asaurat maybe was I trying to speak greek 08:27 rangi heh, could be 08:31 sophie_m hi all 08:31 rangi morning eythian 08:32 eythian gday 08:32 rangi hi traveling cait-m__ 08:32 cait-m__ hi 08:32 cait-m__ almost there now - exam at noon 08:32 rangi good luck! 08:34 mib_llb4wl hi 08:34 mib_llb4wl anybody here 08:40 cait-m__ thx:-) 08:44 mib_llb4wl hey 08:45 mib_llb4wl i need some help 08:45 mib_llb4wl regarding adding items from z3950 server 09:11 drojf1 good day #koha 09:11 hdl mib_3z7b20: ? 09:12 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #66: SUCCESS in 52 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/66/ 09:12 jenkins_koha colin.campbell: Bug 8216: Allow SIP modules to pass critic tests 09:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8216 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , Enable critic tests on SIP modules 09:12 * paul_p doing an upgrade from 2.2 to 3.8.2 today ! long time no see 2.2 ;-) 09:12 paul_p (and I'm the only one at BibLibre knowing how to do such upgrades...) 09:12 hdl 2.2.9 was blazing fast 09:12 mib_3z7b20 confused with z3950 server and addking item 09:13 mib_3z7b20 can we give a other user a admin privileges in koha 09:13 mib_3z7b20 ? 09:13 paul_p OTOH, I'm also playing a lot with DBIx::Class, Moose and all those things, will submit a POC soon 09:13 paul_p mib_3z7b20 = yes, you can, just choose your admin in the user table and give him "superlibrarian" permission. 09:14 mib_3z7b20 okay thanks paul_p 09:14 mib_3z7b20 i am new to koha 09:15 paul_p mib_3z7b20 = where are you from ? (welcome on board !) 09:15 mib_3z7b20 i am from Bhutan 09:16 mib_3z7b20 thanks 09:16 mib_3z7b20 where are you from? 09:16 mib_3z7b20 seems you know much about koha 09:16 paul_p mib_3z7b20 = i'm from France 09:16 paul_p mib_3z7b20 = I'm Koha Release Manager ;-) 09:16 mib_3z7b20 did you heard about Bhutan anytime 09:16 paul_p mib_3z7b20 so yes, I know much about koha :D 09:17 paul_p mib_3z7b20 yes, of course. It's in Asia 09:17 mib_3z7b20 ok greate 09:17 mib_3z7b20 yes its in between two giant country 09:17 mib_3z7b20 china and india 09:18 mib_3z7b20 today i just finished setting up koha 09:18 mib_3z7b20 and i cluld not import and add items from z3950 server 09:19 paul_p mib_3z7b20 which z3950 server did you choose ? (this kind of problem can be very tricky to solve...) 09:20 mib_3z7b20 Is Library of congress one of z3950 server 09:20 mib_3z7b20 ? 09:21 paul_p mib_3z7b20 = when you say "could not import and add items from z3950 server", could you give more details about what you were doing/seing/expecting ? 09:22 mib_3z7b20 i could do it now 09:22 mib_3z7b20 because i forgot to rebuild zebra-daemon 09:23 mib_3z7b20 where i can see my list of koha user? 09:28 mib_3z7b20 hey paul_p you there? 09:29 paul_p mib_3z7b20 yes (although i'll leave in 15mn) 09:29 paul_p mib_3z7b20 Koha > Patrons > search your patron 09:30 mib_3z7b20 okay 09:30 paul_p mib_3z7b20 when you're on one patron detai l page, click Plus > permissions, superlibrarian is the 1st one 09:30 paul_p mib_3z7b20 do you know the doc is on http://koha-community.org ? 09:30 mib_3z7b20 okay 09:30 mib_3z7b20 thanks paul_p 09:31 mib_3z7b20 you made my day 09:31 mib_3z7b20 i have created one user under staff patrons 09:31 mib_3z7b20 i have to search for that user right? 09:34 mib_3z7b20 i got it paul_p 09:34 mib_3z7b20 thanks 09:36 mib_3z7b20 hey paul_p 09:36 mib_3z7b20 one last question 09:36 mib_3z7b20 you there? 09:36 paul_p mib_3z7b20 yep 09:36 mveron Hey everibody #koha 09:37 mib_3z7b20 can we customize koha sites, like can we change themes n all 09:37 eythian http://library.org.nz/ <-- mib_3z7b20 , yes you can 09:37 mib_3z7b20 thanks 09:38 paul_p mib_3z7b20 = look at OPAC systempreferences, there are many things you can change from here (if you provide an image, a css, some javascript,...) 09:39 mib_3z7b20 okay paul_p thanks 09:40 paul_p mib_3z7b20 (and look in the doc, there are plenty of useful informations & examples) 09:41 mib_3z7b20 okay thanks paul 09:44 mveron Bonjour paul_p 09:45 mveron paul_p: I rebased Bug 7621 (with Wiki as requested), and Bug 7563 , what are the next steps? 09:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7621 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, veron, Signed Off , Circulation: Match age restriction of title with borrower's age without using categories 09:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7563 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Signed Off , Silent print slips using Firefox PlugIn jsPrintSetup and new staff client preference 09:50 mib_3z7b20 i which directory openheader is located 09:50 mib_3z7b20 ? 09:52 drojf mib_3z7b20: do you mean opacheader? there is a system preference to add your own header from the staff client without editing files by hand if that is what you want to do 09:52 mib_3z7b20 yes opacheader 09:52 * mveron Hi drojf 09:52 drojf hi mveron! 09:52 mib_3z7b20 thanks drojf 09:55 mveron drojf: The Wiki mail problem seems to be related to some greylisting. I solved it (as a workaround) by redirecting mails via a gmx mail account. 09:56 drojf mveron: ok. sounds complicated but at least it works :) 09:56 mib_3z7b20 can we edit some kind of CSS file and edit 09:56 drojf mib_3z7b20: there is also a syspref for css 09:56 drojf no need to edit files 09:57 mib_3z7b20 okay 10:00 mveron mib_3z7b20: You have some HTML prferences as well. And you can do stuff with jQuery. You find hints and tricks on http://www.myacpl.org/koha/ 10:00 drojf hey. i was just looking for that url! 10:00 drojf :) 10:01 mib_3z7b20 thanks mveron 10:01 drojf mib_3z7b20: the advantage of the system preferences is that they will survive an upgrade. if you edit css files directly that may get lost when you upgrae to a new version of koha 10:02 mib_3z7b20 ok thanks for you suggestion 10:02 mib_3z7b20 as i am very new to koha 10:02 mib_3z7b20 i am not very good in it 10:03 drojf mib_3z7b20: you will learn :) 10:03 drojf we all do 10:03 mib_3z7b20 thanks 10:03 mib_3z7b20 i got to learn alot 10:03 francharb 0/ all 10:03 drojf mib_3z7b20: you should take the time to go through the manual, it's good 10:04 mib_3z7b20 by the drojf where are you from? 10:04 mib_3z7b20 kay 10:04 drojf hi francharb 10:04 rangi hi francharb 10:04 drojf mib_3z7b20: i am from berlin, germany 10:04 mib_3z7b20 okay 10:05 drojf mib_3z7b20: you are from bhutan i read. it's nice to see koha being used all over the world 10:05 mib_3z7b20 yes 10:05 mib_3z7b20 do you know or did you ever heard of Bhutan? 10:05 drojf sure i did 10:06 mib_3z7b20 really thats nice 10:06 mib_3z7b20 cheers for germany team in Euro2012 10:06 drojf :) 10:07 drojf mib_3z7b20: what are you planning to use koha for? what kind of library? 10:08 mib_3z7b20 we recently had meeting in our organization 10:08 mib_3z7b20 i am working in one of the college in bhutan as system admin 10:08 drojf nice 10:08 mib_3z7b20 we are using one old manually developed library system called autolib 10:09 mib_3z7b20 now we want to upgrade to koha 10:10 drojf that's cool. you will like it 10:11 mib_3z7b20 i will surely 10:11 mib_3z7b20 just now i am just the beginer 10:11 mib_3z7b20 can you give me one good link to customize koha 10:12 drojf mib_3z7b20: i see that you have a lot of languages in bhutan. what language is used at the college? 10:12 mib_3z7b20 yes 10:12 mib_3z7b20 but we use english in all the colleges 10:12 mib_3z7b20 we do have our national language 10:13 mib_3z7b20 but we mostly use english 10:13 drojf if you decide to translate koha to your national language one day… we always like new translations :) 10:14 mib_3z7b20 i was about to ask that 10:14 mib_3z7b20 can we translate koha to our national language 10:14 mib_3z7b20 ? 10:14 drojf yes 10:14 mib_3z7b20 how? 10:14 drojf there is http://translate.koha-community.org/ 10:15 mib_3z7b20 but our language is not listed there 10:16 drojf oh, i'm sorry. yes, i meant you can do a translation of koha yourself 10:16 mib_3z7b20 how i can translate koha all by myself to our language 10:16 mib_3z7b20 ? 10:17 drojf i think somebody has to create a project for your language on the translation server and give you the administration rights 10:17 drojf not sure how that works 10:17 mib_3z7b20 but i am sure you have worked on other language translation 10:17 hdl mib_3z7b20: send a message on koha-translate list to the translation manager. 10:17 mib_3z7b20 ? 10:18 mib_3z7b20 okay 10:19 drojf about customisation, i suppose you meant the opac. there is something in the manual: http://manual.koha-community.org/3.8/en/impopac.html and there is a category on the blog that mveron linked you http://www.myacpl.org/koha/?cat=6 10:19 drojf there is also a gallery on the wiki http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Gallery_of_customized_OPACs 10:20 mib_3z7b20 thanks drofj 10:23 mib_3z7b20 my national language is listed in interface language 10:33 sophie_m clrh : ce sera possible de faire un petit point St etienne vite fait ? 10:37 sophie_m oups :-[ 10:38 rangi :) 10:39 rangi google makes a really bad translation of that 10:40 clrh :) 11:00 neo_ hi 11:00 neo_ can we see all the patrons 11:01 * rangi goes to sleep 11:02 neo_ now we have to search or browse by last names 11:02 neo_ do we have any other way to see all the added patrons 11:03 neo_ never mind , i have searched by "*" 11:04 neo_ can see all the patrons, :) 11:19 ropuch Hm, I get finishreceive.pl: Use of uninitialized value $origquantityrec in numeric gt (>) at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/acqui/finishreceive.pl line 60. 11:20 ropuch followed by finishreceive.pl: Use of uninitialized value $error_url_str in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/acqui/finishreceive.pl line 104. 11:20 ropuch I'm using 3.08.01.002, all perl modules updated 11:32 oleonard Hi #koha 11:32 ropuch Hi oleonard 11:37 oleonard Anyone around who might be able to help me with Bug 8278? 11:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8278 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Replace YUI autocomplete in UNIMARC 210c plugin 12:47 * oleonard thinks everyone must be hung over from the 3.8.2 release party he wasn't invited to 12:48 jcamins_away oleonard: pre-3.6.6 party for me. 12:48 oleonard jcamins_away: I hope that's not like having to sit at the kid table at Thanksgiving 12:48 jcamins_away oleonard: alas, it kind of was. 12:49 eythian I suppose I should do some 3.8.2 packages... 12:50 jcamins eythian: yay! 13:11 jcamins Hm. Could someone remind me what type of join will only take as many rows from the right table as there are in the left? 13:14 jcamins (I thought it was LEFT JOIN, but LEFT JOIN is return 1400 rows instead of the desired 54) 13:14 jcamins No, LEFT JOIN is returning 80k rows. Guess it's just doing a cartesian join. 13:24 hdl JOIN. 13:24 hdl or RIGHT JOIN 13:26 jcamins Hm. SELECT DISTINCT + JOIN did it, but it's a very inefficient query. I guess better to do it differently. 13:50 francharb 0/ (again) 13:51 francharb :) 14:21 tcohen http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Kohacon2013 14:22 oleonard tcohen++ 14:23 tcohen thanks oleonard 14:24 * oleonard weeps for his travel budget though ;) 14:28 eythian 3.8.2 is being uploaded to the repo right now. 14:29 tcohen eythian++ 14:30 tcohen julian_m: do we have a set of tests for bug 8110? 14:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8110 blocker, P1 - high, ---, kyle.m.hall, Failed QA , Fines accruing on closed days 14:30 tcohen i'd like to work on that right now, but don't know how to test it 14:33 * wizzyrea would totally do argentina 14:33 julian_m tcohen, i don't think we have tests for this 14:34 tcohen ok 14:35 wizzyrea tcohen: the basic idea is this 14:35 julian_m but you can checkout books with manually set due date to 15 days ago, 30 days ago, 400 days ago... launch fines.pl and see results 14:35 wizzyrea right, and it would have to span a set holiday 14:35 wizzyrea so you'd have to do some math to see if the due dates were correct 14:35 wizzyrea and to see if the holidays were skipped for fines 14:36 wizzyrea in all 3 (4?) date formats 15:22 eythian can someone tell me if 952$j (Shelving control number) does something, and if so, what it does? 15:30 tcohen wizzyrea, julian_m: i found it worked for the example I used 15:32 tcohen (using master right now) 15:34 tcohen its a pity as I cannot reproduce the problem in bug 8110 15:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8110 blocker, P1 - high, ---, kyle.m.hall, Failed QA , Fines accruing on closed days 15:34 eythian As far as I can tell, it's managed but not actually used by anything. 15:37 magnuse eythian: "The stack number of the item, inventory code." http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Holdings_data_fields_%289xx%29 15:38 magnuse ...does not make me much wiser... 15:38 eythian yes. that says nothing :) 15:38 wizzyrea i think it's a 15:38 eythian I can't see it being used by anything in the code 15:38 wizzyrea @quote get 123 15:38 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 15:38 magnuse hehe 15:38 * magnuse wanders off, all confused 15:38 wizzyrea seriously, someone must be using it for something, but no one who cares about it 15:38 wizzyrea oh! magnuse! 15:38 * wizzyrea waves 15:39 eythian wizzyrea: maybe, but I can't tell that it actually does anything 15:39 wizzyrea right, it's like the appendix of marc 15:39 eythian It'll store and load and comes from an auth value all OK 15:39 eythian but there's no logic that uses it 15:39 eythian I can't even see a display that shows it 15:39 sekjal eythian: I think it's just another unique identifier, separate from barcode or itemnumber 15:39 eythian sekjal: no, it's a tinyint 15:39 tcohen eythian: grep told me is not used anywhere 15:40 eythian tcohen: yeah, that's what I did. The only references to it really are in C4/Items.pm 15:40 sekjal eythian: very tiny unique identifier? 15:40 eythian I was hoping it was a flag to say "this is in the stack" 15:40 eythian heh 15:40 eythian (it's column name is items.stack) 15:40 eythian -' 15:41 tcohen maybe it was intended for linking with external systems? 15:41 tcohen (a custom ID) 15:41 sekjal oh, whoops, I was confusing it with stocknumber 15:41 sekjal yeah, I think it may be legacy code 15:42 eythian I wonder if I can convince a library they want it as a stack identifier. 15:43 jcamins Oh, you're using 952$j? 15:43 jcamins Heh. 15:43 jcamins It's not what you want. 15:44 eythian I'm not using it, I was hoping it did something relating to its column name 15:44 eythian rather than nothing as seems to be the case 15:44 jcamins It does, actually. 15:44 eythian oh? 15:45 jcamins "Stack number" = "non-public callnumber for microfilm collections." 15:45 eythian jcamins: but it's a tinyint 15:45 jcamins Microfilms often have call numbers like M12345. 15:45 jcamins Which is great, unless you happen to barcode each spool individually. 15:45 eythian linked to an authorised value 15:46 jcamins Because M12345 may be stored in several different cabinets. 15:46 jcamins So each cabinet has a stack number. 15:46 jcamins Does it make sense? 15:46 jcamins No, not really. 15:46 jcamins But it is fairly standard in US libraries, as I understand it. 15:46 eythian but what if you have more than 10 cabinets? 15:47 jcamins eythian: that was just poor planning on the part of whoever made it a tinyint. 15:47 eythian I can believe that. 15:47 jcamins I think NYPL's microfilms can have stack numbers up to 300. 15:47 * oleonard wonders how many times that has been said of tinyint 15:47 tcohen what does stack number means? (/me is embarrased he doesnt understandthe terminology) 15:47 eythian It doesn't even seem to display anywhere though. 15:48 jcamins tcohen: it is the number of the stack (=cabinet) that a particular spool of microfilm is stored in. 15:48 tcohen oh, so its a reference for the librarians 15:48 jcamins Right. 15:48 eythian the docs say nothing about microfilm 15:48 tcohen to find the material 15:48 eythian I which I had the time to find everything undocument and rip it out 15:49 eythian until it was documented, then it could go back in 15:49 tcohen as the call number allow them to find the material in the shelves 15:49 * wizzyrea could get used to this european time zone eythian 15:49 eythian though, it doesn't seem to show up even in the staff client 15:49 jcamins tcohen: right. Though apparently we don't display it, which makes it kind of useless. 15:50 jcamins tcohen: and, a useless (or possibly useful?) piece of triva: though a stack number refers to the number of a cabinet/stack, a shelfnumber refers to the number of a given book on the shelf. 15:50 tcohen if it is introduced into the MARCXML for displaying maybe it could be included with the staff interface's xslts 15:51 jcamins Where did the idea that QueryFuzzy has anything to do with spellcheck/did you mean come from? 15:52 gaetan_B bye ! 15:53 eythian http://youtu.be/HU2ftCitvyQ <-- this sums up many things 15:54 jcamins It seems to be a very pervasive belief. 15:55 eythian wahanui: Captain Kirk is climbing a mountain is <reply>Why is he climbing a mountain? 15:55 wahanui eythian: no idea 15:56 eythian wahanui: Captain Kirk is climbing a mountain is <reply>Why \is he climbing a mountain? 15:56 wahanui eythian: no idea 15:56 eythian wahanui: Captain Kirk \is climbing a mountain is <reply>Why \is he climbing a mountain? 15:56 wahanui no idea, eythian 15:56 eythian wahanui: Captain Kirk \is climbing a mountain is <reply>Why \is he climbing a mountain# 15:56 wahanui OK, eythian. 15:56 eythian wahanui: Captain Kirk \is climbing a mountain =~ s/#/?/ 15:56 wahanui I didn't have anything matching 'captain kirk \is climbing a mountain', eythian 15:56 eythian wahanui: Captain Kirk is climbing a mountain =~ s/#/?/ 15:56 wahanui OK, eythian 15:56 eythian wahanui: Captain Kirk is climbing a mountain 15:56 wahanui Why is he climbing a mountain? 15:56 eythian perfect 15:57 drojf lol 16:02 eythian wahanui: germs 16:02 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world. 16:09 drojf …all good things come from germany 16:10 drojf yeah for another non-us bid for kohacon13 16:12 reiveune1 bye 16:12 * drojf thinks his university will not send him to any of these places 16:12 drojf but who knows 16:12 * eythian might go for a beer 16:13 drojf beer is a solution to a lot of things 16:17 * nengard thinks beer is icky 16:17 nengard and now I duck 16:17 drojf heh 16:18 nengard :) 16:19 wizzyrea germs? 16:19 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world. 16:19 wizzyrea hrmph. 16:20 * drojf puts a scottish thistle ale in the fridge 16:56 cait hi #koha 16:57 oleonard Hi cait, exam all done? 16:57 cait hm yeah 16:57 cait but there might be a repeat 16:58 jcamins Hello. 16:58 jcamins Congratulations! 17:02 cait repeat as in.... try again 17:02 cait *sigh* 17:03 drojf there "might be"… so when do you know? 17:03 drojf hi cait btw :) 17:03 cait written exam - can be soon or take a while 17:03 cait and hi drojf :) 17:03 cait and jcamins and oleonard :) 17:05 francharb cait, finger crossed! 17:05 francharb ;) 17:05 cait thx :) 17:05 cait for the moment I am trying to forget about it 17:05 cait too annoying 17:05 francharb ++ 17:05 cait any exciting koha news today? :) 17:06 drojf argentina is in for kohacon13 17:06 francharb circulation rules works real fine! 17:06 francharb sorry, bad joke 17:06 francharb ;) 17:06 drojf lol 17:07 francharb but I will work on a testing plan soon!! 17:10 * oleonard was pleased with his progress on jQueryUI Dialog until he got to labels and patron cards 17:10 jcamins cait: you finished it today, though. That's the important thing. 17:11 * jcamins uploaded patches for bug 6720 and bug 8205 17:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6720 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Saved authorities always show as 'Default' 17:11 francharb I work with a library that will have around 30 branches at the end of the projet. We spend a couple of days talking on the set up and when we talked about hold rules, well, it was a little bit messy in my head to figure out if it will works with every setting we chose! hehe! I need to test more! 17:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8205 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Should be possible to hide unused authorities in OPAC 17:11 jcamins Bug 7475 17:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7475 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Option to overlay authorities 17:11 jcamins ^^ that's what I meant. 8205 is already passed QA. 17:12 francharb cait, jcamins made a point! I hope you will at least celebrate today! 17:13 francharb I raise a toast to cait! 0/ 17:14 francharb ;) 17:15 francharb and I go back on my migration report 17:15 francharb see ya 17:15 oleonard Bye francharb 17:16 cait francharb: test, document and share= 17:16 cait ? 17:16 cait I am sure you know way more than me already :) 17:16 francharb cait, that's my goal 17:16 cait jcamins++ 17:16 cait and francharb++ and oleonard++ 17:27 atmanning I have multiple runaway rebuild_zebra.pl processes going! How can I control how often rebuild_zebra runs? There are no crontab files around to edit. Is this hidden somewhere in the configuration files? 17:27 atmanning running on debian - koha-common 17:29 atmanning feel free to point me to a link... I continue to search the Koha site for info about this... 17:30 cait atmanning: how did you install Koha? 17:30 jcamins atmanning: crontab -e 17:30 cait which version and os? 17:30 jwagner atmanning, you should have a crontab for the koha user, with an entry for rebuild_zebra 17:30 jcamins Oh, koha-common? 17:30 wahanui koha-common is the one you want, the main koha one needs a bit more work (its for setting up a single instance) 17:30 jcamins Just edit /etc/cron.d/koha-common. :) 17:31 atmanning latest debian ... used apt-get to install 17:31 jcamins atmanning: in that case, see my last suggestion. 17:31 jcamins And ignore the complicated one I gave you at first. 17:31 * jcamins is currently photographing books, so he's a little distracted. 17:31 atmanning found the file - thanks! I was looking in /var/spool/cron, which is empty and was all confused 17:32 jcamins Yeah, /var/spool/cron is where cron output can be stored. 17:32 jcamins (but isn't, on Linux, so far as I know) 17:37 atmanning do I need to restart koha somehow after editing that crontab file? 17:37 jcamins Nope. 17:38 jcamins Just kill off your runaway Zebras. :) 17:39 drojf zebra bbqueue 17:44 atmanning with 135000 records, that rebuild_zebra process seems to be taking way too long... 17:47 jcamins atmanning: if you edited a sizeable percentage of the database, it'll take a couple of hours. 17:48 atmanning hmm.... I added the records two weeks ago and have done nothing since. Should I run it from the command line instead to check for errors? 17:49 drojf do you run it with -r? that rebuilds everything completely 17:49 jcamins I would pause the cron job (comment it out), kill all the running rebuild_zebra processes, then do koha-rebuild-zebra --full 17:49 jcamins Then unpause the cron jobs. 17:49 jcamins Sounds like your system has been deadlocked for two weeks. 17:51 tcohen does FineNotifyAtCheckin calculates fines for patron? does it compete with fines.pl? 17:56 atmanning killed all the jobs, running from command line... perl /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -r -v 17:57 jcamins atmanning: if you installed from the packages, you should be running sudo koha-rebuild-zebra --full 17:59 atmanning how can I monitor output from the koha-rebuild-zebra process? /var/log/koha/? 18:00 jcamins sudo koha-rebuild-zebra --full --verbose? 18:00 jcamins man koha-rebuild-zebra will tell you. :) 18:00 jcamins You just missed the guy who wrote that script, so he can't tell you off the top of his head. ;) 18:01 atmanning ooh, forgot this stuff had man pages.... was looking through the wiki.. 18:01 jcamins atmanning: yeah, I'm lazy and usually use the man pages. ;) 18:03 tcohen #koha, what is the fines.pl script for? I mean, aren't the fines and overdues calculated on check-in? 18:04 jcamins tcohen: they were not until 3.8. 18:04 tcohen exactly 18:05 cait tcohen: and I still think you can use it 18:05 tcohen but we have a bug against master and 3.8.x 18:05 cait because without patrons don't see they have fines 18:05 cait and it will not show up in their accounts or notices 18:05 jcamins tcohen: yeah, the switch broke things. 18:05 tcohen but... they don't have fines until the do a check-in 18:05 cait they do. 18:06 cait well, here they do 18:06 tcohen as the amount won't be calculated until they check-in? 18:06 jcamins tcohen: that's what fines.pl calculates. 18:06 cait yeah, that's why we still need the cronjob 18:07 tcohen so, every new [frequency], you expect the fines.pl script to add an amount of money to the debt the patron has 18:07 tcohen so it is shown to the user 18:07 cait yeah 18:08 cait for libraires not using hourly loans 18:08 cait you would run it once a day 18:08 cait or every hour for hourly probably? 18:08 tcohen (you can charge $X for every Y days I think) 18:08 cait yes 18:08 cait but it checks the calendar and dates 18:09 cait so it will only add a fine every x days 18:09 cait not every day, even if it's run more often 18:09 tcohen I still don't understand why we could need a cronjob for that 18:10 cait we always had one? 18:10 cait I mean, that's not a new feature 18:10 cait it's only something that can work differently now 18:10 cait the cronjob was used to check every night if book was overdue and put a fine on it when the rules said there should be one 18:11 tcohen yes, but we can calculate that on check-in or when going to tha patron's details 18:12 tcohen I guess it is possible that from one day to the other there might be a policy change 18:12 tcohen charging more/less money for overdue days 18:12 tcohen and we could want for a period the charge the patron using some config, and the remaining days another one 18:13 jcamins tcohen: right, we *should* calculate it every time we need to tell someone what the fine is, but we don't. 18:13 jcamins We have to use the cron job for that. 18:13 cait hm 18:13 cait I think maybe I disagree here 18:13 cait if you change the rules 18:13 cait and the patron already checked the account for his fine... it shouldn't change 18:13 cait fines that were set when policy x was in place 18:13 cait must remain 18:13 tcohen exactly 18:13 cait and when the notice was sent out and told them the fine amount 18:13 cait you can't change it 18:13 cait history has to be kept 18:13 tcohen and thats why a fines.pl cronjob should remain 18:14 tcohen i guess 18:14 tcohen maybe there are other use cases 18:16 tcohen is there any doc on the use cases that have been taken into account when writing those libs/scripts? 18:16 jcamins tcohen: I highly doubt it. 18:16 cait tcohen: maybe talk to eythian 18:16 cait he had started on an account rewrite 18:17 cait and I think he did a pod for a new modue 18:17 cait and looked at this 18:17 tcohen we need it to avoid confusion, because it is not straightforward to understand those concurrent libs/scripts 18:17 tcohen not to speak about the interaction with those systemprefs 18:17 cait agreed 18:17 jcamins cait: I think tcohen is asking about the existing hourly loans code. 18:17 cait ah 18:17 cait I never touched hourly so far 18:17 cait no help here :( 18:17 jcamins (by which I mean, the fine stuff that the hourly loans added) 18:18 cait but I agree, more documentation is needed 18:18 tcohen i'm reading code so i can try to help on bug 8110 18:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8110 blocker, P1 - high, ---, kyle.m.hall, Failed QA , Fines accruing on closed days 18:18 cait I didn't even know it changed the fines behaviour :( 18:18 jcamins That's the calculating fines on checkin. 18:19 tcohen and found i don't fully understand the interaction between fines.pl and the current sysprefs 18:20 tcohen #koha, have a nice weekend, got to levae right now 18:20 oleonard Bye tcohen 18:21 oleonard One more small cut to YUI: Bug 8283 18:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8283 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Replace usage of YUI Cookie utility with jQuery Cookie plugin 18:23 jcamins oleonard++ 18:24 cait oleonard++ 18:25 oleonard Now I'm off for two weeks, so you guys keep this ship running for me okay? 18:25 cait oh 18:25 cait we will try 18:25 cait butit will be hard 18:25 cait where are you going? :) 18:26 oleonard Thailand 18:26 cait oh! 18:26 cait safe travels and have lots of fun :) 18:26 cait and make some beautiful photos for us :) 18:26 oleonard Thanks, I'm going to do my best to have fun 18:27 oleonard I will be thinking of rangi and his many trips back and forth while flying across the Pacific for the first time 18:27 cait how long is your trip? 18:29 oleonard We leave Sunday and return on July 5, almost two full weeks 18:31 cait not taht long! 18:31 cait but I met someone from sf on the train today 18:32 * oleonard has to leave 18:32 oleonard Bye everyone 18:32 cait oh ok :) 18:32 cait so I will spare you my thoughts about vacation lengths :P 18:32 cait bye oleonard 18:32 cait :) 18:32 oleonard Hold that thought... 18:32 wizzyrea oleonard - be safe, have fun 18:33 wizzyrea bother the typo made me miss him. Hate it when that happens 18:33 cait hi wizzyrea - know exactly what you mean :) 19:07 rangi oh argentina now too 19:08 * jcamins imagines the denizens of #koha at a pro-Peron rally. 19:09 jcamins (I actually had Evita stuck in my head earlier, too, but now it's firmly ensconced) 19:09 wizzyrea don't cry for me argentina 19:10 rangi heh 19:40 rangi kids want breakfast, brb 19:45 jcamins You know what would be useful? 19:45 wizzyrea what? 19:46 jcamins A way to integrate pootle more closely into running Koha installations, so you could have librarians who find mistranslations easily correct it. 19:48 cait yeah :) 19:49 jcamins Some kind of pootle overlay, perhaps. 19:49 jcamins Turn on the pootle overlay, tell it you want to retranslate something, click the string you want to retranslate, and have it go straight to that string. 19:50 jcamins Also helpful when people don't like the word "cart." 19:50 rangi yep i talked about that at the hackfest actually 19:50 jcamins Darn. I never have new ideas. 19:51 jcamins :P 19:51 jcamins So, where's the proof of concept? 19:51 jcamins I'd test it. 19:51 rangi hehe well its one from about 4 years ago 19:51 rangi have no idea how to do it 19:51 jcamins Aww. 19:51 jcamins Me either. 19:51 rangi the only way to jump to a string in pootle is via a search 19:51 rangi and it may or may not be the one 19:51 jcamins Right. 19:52 cait search is still kinda limited in pootle 19:52 cait although better than it was with kartouche (kartouche having no search at all) 19:52 rangi its under active development 19:52 rangi pootle that is 19:53 rangi we could get involved, find the bugs list etc see if anyone is working on something like jump to a string 19:53 wizzyrea what would be cool 19:53 wizzyrea would be a mode where all strings are linked 19:53 wizzyrea and you click it and it takes you there 19:53 cait hm yeah, but then you could not switch between pages :) 19:54 rangi yep but a toggle on and off 19:54 cait yep 19:54 wizzyrea well it'd have to be something like a firefox plugin or something 19:54 rangi toggle translation mode on 19:54 wizzyrea ^^^^ 19:54 cait I would still like to see the manual being fixed 19:54 rangi edit the .po file locally 19:54 rangi then a 'submit my changes' button 19:54 cait I think perhaps we could have a bookmarklet 19:55 cait click the stirng, click the bookmarklet, start a search in pootle 19:55 cait and if it could search for string + template name maybe 19:55 rangi http://katipo.co.nz/software/kea/page-editing.html 19:55 rangi like that 19:56 atmanning I just saw this output from rebuild_zebra.pl: Records exported: 135392 DBD::mysql::st execute failed: The table 'zebraqueue' is full at /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl line 282. Is there anything I can do to resolve the problem? It took about three hours to get to this point in the script. 19:57 rangi did you run out of diskspace ? 19:57 jcamins atmanning: truncate zebraqueue. 19:58 atmanning It says it is reindexing zebra, but I'm not sure if it is hopeless and there is no output.... ooh I see the disk is full ... grrr 19:58 rangi yeah you will get that if the disk is full 19:59 rangi you need enough space to write out all the records as marcxml, then enough space to create the indexes of them 19:59 jcamins atmanning: then I'd run the mysql recovery program, whatever it is, because this is probably why your system was deadlocked, and who knows how many problems there have been. 19:59 jcamins rangi: actually, this is an even bigger problem than that... the mysql error means that root can't even write to the device. 19:59 rangi wel yeah if the disk is full 19:59 rangi you will get that 20:00 rangi no one, not even root, can write to a full device 20:00 jcamins rangi: unless you were tampering with your filesystem settings, that shouldn't happen. 20:00 rangi eh? 20:00 jcamins A "full" disk has 15% free space. 20:00 rangi um no 20:01 jcamins Really? 20:01 rangi its totally possible to actually fill a disk 20:01 rangi happens all the time 20:01 jcamins Well, I know it's possible, but it shouldn't happen when you're indexing... at least unless ext reserves space differently than ffs/ufs. 20:01 rangi actually ive seen /var be filled tons of times 20:02 rangi and had to truncate logs 20:03 rangi and if you have you havent set innodb_file_per_table 20:04 rangi that innodb data file grows huge fast, and never gets smaller 20:04 jcamins I've seen that too, but a non-root process shouldn't be able to cause that error in MySQL. 20:04 jcamins Hm. 20:04 jcamins ext2 only does 5% buffer. 20:04 rangi why not? 20:04 rangi if mysql is writing to space at the same time 20:04 jcamins I had understood that MySQL was run as root. 20:04 rangi yes 20:05 atmanning rebooting first to see if the system will wipe out some temp files on a clean startup, then I may resize this virtual machine's drive. Any recommendations for min disk size for a library of 200K books? 20:05 jcamins The indexing is not. 20:05 rangi yes 20:05 rangi each of those queuries 20:05 jcamins In order for MySQL to run out of disk space, that implies that the filesystem was *already* overfilled. 20:05 rangi increments the binary index 20:06 jcamins Because the indexer would have crashed prior to MySQL running out of space otherwise. 20:06 rangi what well happen is rebuild zebra fills all space 20:06 rangi it doenst crash, just truncates the last record it was trying to write 20:07 rangi and meanwhile mysql is still trying to write a ton of binary logs 20:07 rangi and probably syslog is growing and helping create the death spiral 20:08 jcamins I guess it depends on the size of the filesystem, but 5% of 20GB is still a lot of space for MySQL to be able to fill up so quickly. 20:08 rangi its why i put /var/lib/mysql on its own partition 20:08 * jcamins does that as well. 20:08 rangi its not just mysql, lots of things run as root 20:08 rangi and actually mysql writes as mysql 20:08 rangi on debian 20:09 * rangi just looked 20:09 rangi -rw-rw---- 1 mysql mysql 5242880 Jun 23 06:49 ib_logfile0 20:09 rangi -rw-rw---- 1 mysql mysql 5242880 Jun 23 06:49 ib_logfile1 20:09 jcamins Ah, well, that explains why MySQL could run into problems before you got a "no space on device" message from Zebra. 20:09 * jcamins has gotten those messages before. 20:10 rangi i dont think its even got as far as zebra 20:10 rangi its still dumping the records, zebraidx hasnt even been called yet 20:10 jcamins Ohhh. 20:10 jcamins Okay, never mind, that makes sense. 20:10 rangi back to atmanning question ;) 20:11 rangi how big is the disk now atmanning ? 20:11 * jcamins saw the "table zebraqueue is full" message, and presumed it had to be on the UPDATE at the end of indexing. 20:18 rangi i think 20gig would be enough for that size db 20:22 jcamins Depending on what else you have on there. If you are also using the server for a digital repository, you'll want more. 20:33 jcamins Hm. 20:33 atmanning current disk is default debian size for VirtualBox guest OS - 8 Gig - resizing... 20:34 jcamins I don't think I'll respond to Paul's message explaining that in fact - does not exclude an item from search, generally speaking. 20:35 rangi not without ccl= somewhere in there 20:36 jcamins Right. 20:36 jcamins I'm also not feeling in the mood to explain that QueryFuzzy does not actually do anything with the dictionary. 20:38 sekjal time for me to go. have a good weekend, #koha! 20:39 rangi cya sekjal 20:39 jcamins (plus, I'm not entirely clear what it *does* do) 20:39 jcamins (other than confuse people) 20:39 jcamins Okay, I think I have no choice but to brave rush hour with my photography equipment. 22:22 jcamins Ooh, this is challenging. 22:23 jcamins On the one hand, a KohaCon in the US would be much easier to get to. On the other hand, Cordoba isn't as expensive as Edinburgh... quite. 22:27 drojf for me it's all far away and will sound scary to the people in charge of the budget 22:31 jcamins Hehe. 22:31 jcamins Good answer on the list. 22:39 drojf seems like you scared away the kobli guy 22:41 jcamins drojf: that is unfortunate, but if you're not going to contribute, just talk big, I have no patience for you. 22:44 jcamins (that was the generic "you," you, drojf, don't do that, and I have lots of patience for you:) 22:44 drojf i was kidding. it's not unfortunate, your email was the right thing and he seems to be just ignorant. if he is neither going to contribute nor to answer a simple question he should stay away with the anouncement in the first place 22:44 drojf heh i got that ;) 22:45 jcamins Hey, isn't it midnight-ish in Berlin? 22:45 drojf it is 22:46 drojf 0:44 22:46 jcamins Why are you awake, then? 22:48 drojf have been importing a bigger (as in ~1000 biblios) set of data to the koha pi and looking at some git 101 22:48 jcamins Ahhh. 22:49 drojf i can be very busy when i should do other things :D 22:51 drojf i have to summon dpavlin in the coming days, plack takes more ram than i expected. but i am still surprised that koha performs like that on the raspi 22:52 jcamins Hehe. 22:55 drojf hm. i came across http://www.librarieswithoutborders.org/ today and was wondering what library system they use. did not find any info, so i sent them an email but nobody has answered yet 22:56 jcamins [off] I'm not surprised. They don't seem to have their act together at all. 22:57 drojf heh. what makes you think that? i dont really know anything about them, but i get a lot of database errors on that site 23:00 jcamins Back when they were first trying to start a library in Cote d'Ivoire (or Ghana? I don't recall), they announced that they had encountered a serious problem: no power was available. 23:01 jcamins At the time I worked with someone who did that sort of thing- built sustainable power sources in underdeveloped regions. 23:01 jcamins So I contacted them to say "hey, here's this person who has a charity providing power sources to non-profits like your proposed library." 23:02 jcamins The first response I got was "thanks, we will let you know when we are prepared to deal with the power issues" (note, the reason I contacted them was because they announced the project was stalled until they could find a solution to the problem). 23:02 jcamins I sent them a follow-up a year later, which they ignored. 23:02 jcamins I don't think they ever built the library. 23:02 jcamins Wherever it was. 23:06 drojf hm. yes that is what i thought when i looked at the website. there is way too much affiliations and names and blah. looks like something that finances an administration that is too big and won't get things done at the level you would expect from their presentation 23:06 jcamins Yup. After my experience in Afghanistan, I generally have little patience for NGOs. 23:07 drojf what did you do in afghanistan? 23:07 jcamins I was a librarian. :) 23:08 drojf i kind of expected that :) 23:08 jcamins Hehe. 23:08 jcamins I think you might be the only person who has ever anticipated that response, then. 23:09 drojf in what kind of library did you work there? you were involved with a ngo? 23:09 jcamins I worked at the American University of Afghanistan. 23:10 drojf we will have a lot of guest ops soon 23:10 drojf aaah now they start to time out :D 23:10 jcamins I guess the storm is pretty strong down in NC, too. 23:13 drojf how long have you been in afghanistan? 23:13 jcamins I was only there three months. 23:13 jcamins It was enough. ;) 23:14 jcamins September-December 2007. 23:14 drojf was it planned like this or did you run away? ;) 23:14 jcamins Oh, I didn't really have a plan at all. 23:14 jcamins I didn't like it there, so I left at the end of the semester. 23:15 drojf ok 23:15 drojf i did not expect an american university there at all, i'm slightly confused what the concept is 23:16 jcamins So were they. 23:16 jcamins It was an English-language university charging American prices in Kabul. 23:17 drojf sounds like something people in that area would need 23:17 jcamins Well, not the prices. 23:18 drojf maybe also not the rest of it ;) 23:19 drojf wikipedia says "not for profit". what did they do with the money then? 23:19 * jcamins would have thought that too, but apparently we were wrong. 23:19 drojf heh 23:20 jcamins Good question! 23:24 drojf is the sustainable energy-person still in that business? something like that might be useful if $100-automated-libraries really work out with koha 23:25 jcamins If that person isn't, someone else will be, and I know who would know them. 23:27 drojf i think i will vote for kohacon in nigeria for things like that. its amazing what is possible with ridiculously cheap hardware these days and i'd like to see people profit from that somehow. 23:29 drojf i mean profit as in "be able to learn/ read", not $$$ 23:29 jcamins Right. 23:29 jcamins My problem is that I have to balance my desire to get the word about Koha out to people in Nigeria with my desire to actually go to a KohaCon. 23:30 drojf yeah i absolutely understand that 23:31 drojf i might have voted for a kohacon in europe just because it is way more likely that i can actually go there 23:32 drojf but i did not expect to go to edinburgh either and when i asked if that would be possible the response was surprisingly positive, so who knows 23:32 * jcamins will cross his fingers for you. :) 23:32 drojf :) 23:33 drojf for me all 5 options will probably be 2x as much as edinburgh and we will see how that works out. the tactical vote would be "have usa now, then they cannot beat euro next time" but i think voting like that is too crazy 23:34 jcamins Also, it doesn't work like that. 23:34 jcamins Because of the rotation, USA and Europe will never be on the ballot together. :) 23:35 jcamins At least, I don't think that could happen. 23:35 drojf why not? 23:35 jcamins We rotate continents. 23:36 drojf rotation has been a different continent so far, but i think "not the same country" was said a few times now and there are no fixed rules as far as i know 23:36 jcamins Oh, I wasn't paying too close attention. 23:43 drojf i wonder how to interpret the fact that after kohacon in india, nobody from india came to the following kohacon 23:43 jcamins Probably too expensive? 23:46 drojf probably 23:46 jcamins A lot of the attendees in India were students. 23:48 drojf that's good! but i thought there were some support companies and assumed the one or the other person would make it to edinburgh too 23:49 drojf but it is quite expensive to travel that way i guess 23:50 drojf almost 2, i'll better go to bed. good night jcamins, watch #koha ;) 23:50 jcamins Good night.