Time Nick Message 00:41 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #764: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 2 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/764/ 00:42 jenkins_koha Starting build #765 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #762 4 hr 23 min ago) 01:12 * Oak waves 01:36 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed! 01:36 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #765: FIXED in 54 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/765/ 03:04 druthb o/ 03:06 rangi hi druthb 03:07 druthb :D Hi, rangi! 03:10 mtj i have a quick/dumb question about bug 8253 03:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8253 blocker, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Fine doubling 03:11 mtj shouldnt the fix to this bug be- a tweak to the fines.pl script? 03:12 mtj ... to get the fines.pl script searching the description col with a 'date' value, not a 'datetime' value 03:13 Brooke hoka hey 03:14 druthb hi, Brooke. :) 03:14 Brooke evenin' miss 03:39 ago43 mtj: I think it is because the relevant tables use datetime in 3.8, versus date as the 'type'. 03:40 ago43 I'll ask Kyle for a better explanation. 04:19 * Oak_ waves 05:17 Oak guten morgen senorita cait 05:18 cait ola senor Oak 06:19 alex_a bonjour 06:32 marcelr morning koha 06:48 reiveune hello 06:51 marcelr hi reiveune 06:54 kf good morning #koha 06:58 kf guten morgen :) 07:00 matts hi #koha ! 07:00 mveron hi #koha 07:01 mveron Guten morgen kf :-) 07:01 kf hi matts and julian :) 07:02 mveron kf: Can I be of any help with the translation? 07:03 kf Sure :) 07:03 kf I haven't started yet and we only have today :( 07:03 kf so not sure I will finish in time for 3.8.3 string freeze tonight 07:03 kf any string you can trasnlate today is a help 07:03 kf most is fuzzy strings in documentation 07:04 kf but reading it I started correcting a lot too 07:05 mveron kf:Ok, I will walk through 07:05 gaetan_B hello 07:05 wahanui privet, gaetan_B 07:07 julian_m good morning #koha 07:18 marcelr hi julian_m 07:19 julian_m hi marcelr 07:33 kf mveron++ 07:34 mveron :-) 07:35 * mveron makes a short break for a support case 07:35 kf mveron: I will check the files for erros ealry afternoon (or at least that's the plan, plz feel free to remind me :) ) 07:35 mveron Ok 07:36 kf mveron: what I do is download the files and open them in poedit - it gives errors for mostof the problems and then I correct those on pootle 07:38 mveron kf:Thanks, will do 07:38 kf mveron: only telling you - it's not something secret :) 07:38 mveron :-) 07:39 kf mveron: so anyone can check the files, it's only important to do it, because the translation scripts can have problems with errors and stop prematurely without creating all files :( 07:39 kf (like they currently do in 3.8) 08:07 * mveron is back from supporting issue 08:11 marcelr welkom terug mveron 08:11 mveron Daag marcelr. Hoe is het ermee? 08:11 marcelr prima 08:34 eythian wahanui: hi 08:34 wahanui hi, eythian 08:55 magnuse ah yes, translatation 09:07 marcelr mveron: please see 7143 for a similar timeline bug but with a "fix" in about script; you may sign it off :-) 09:09 mveron marcelr: OK, will have a look at it 09:31 whois hi all 09:32 whois please help me. 09:32 whois Can't call method "subfield" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm 09:33 whois please fix solution above? 09:36 mveron marcelr: 7143 is signed off 09:37 marcelr thx mveron 09:39 eythian whois: you're going to have to provide more information. 09:40 mveron whois: http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2012-April/032641.html 09:45 whois I proceeded to create a new record (books, booklets, workbooks) and select Save and edit items> Add items then the message: 09:45 whois " 09:45 whois Software error: 09:45 whois Can not call method "subfield" on an undefined value at 09:45 whois / usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line in 2919. 09:45 whois " 09:45 whois I go back then click on page and saw the new record is created 09:47 whois please fix solution on 09:54 matts whois, do you have more information in the log file ? 10:00 mveron kf: 6 untranslated sentences left. 10:00 * mveron Lunchtime 10:01 kf mveron: wow! great! 10:01 kf mveron: was in a meeting, just came back 10:01 kf mveron++ 10:03 mveron kf: Thanks :-) - but I only did sentences where no translation showed up. I think there is still a lot of correction wor to do. 10:03 mveron kf: Will be back about 2 p.m. 10:03 kf mveron: we have to do all :( 10:04 kf mveron: all that is fuzzy counts as untranslated 10:04 kf so all have to be checked and unfuzzied 10:04 mveron kf: Will work on it after 2 p.m. 10:18 magnuse Oak 10:18 Oak magnuse 10:18 Oak kia ora #koha 10:18 magnuse kia ora Oak and matts 10:19 Oak :) 10:19 matts ? 10:20 eythian borrowers.address and borrowers.city can't be null? What madness is this? 10:23 matts ohh, got it ! 10:23 matts :) 10:26 kf eythian: the whole table is a bit messy, lots of different datatypes too 10:28 eythian it really is 10:37 magnuse probably one of the oldest tables? :-) 10:51 kf eythian can fix it when he is done with the accounts rewrite ;) 10:51 eythian bah 10:54 kf heh 11:06 martin_ anyone in here any good with SRU... trying to work out how to limit a search by koha itemtype and really not getting very far.? 11:07 kf hi mrenvoize_m 11:09 magnuse martin_: i'm a bit rusty, but i can try... 11:09 martin_ hi kf (yes.. i am logged in twice.. no idea where i'm logged in a mrenvoize the first time though... just keeps saying i'm logged in somewhere) 11:10 magnuse hiya jcamins 11:10 martin_ cheers magnuse.. so initally i'm just trying to get a result limited by itemtype.. 11:10 martin_ my test server is at http://bldscat.ids.ac.uk:9998/biblios?version=1.1&operation=searchRetrieve&query=itemtype=ART&maximumRecords=5 11:11 magnuse martin_: etc/zebradb/pqf.properties is the key: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=etc/zebradb/pqf.properties 11:11 martin_ the keyword Subject seems to work as expected, but Itemtype does not. It is however picking the right index 1031 (going on the diag message), but bringing up an error instead of results.. any idea's what i might be doing wrong? 11:12 martin_ Yeah, i've been trying to work out that file (and ccl.properties, and bib1.att for that matter) 11:13 magnuse martin_: using marc21? 11:13 martin_ yes 11:14 magnuse etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/record.abs is a good place to start, then 11:14 magnuse itemtype is in 952 something, right? 11:14 martin_ yeah, 951$y I beleive 11:15 martin_ thats a new file to me, not looked at that one yet, cheers 11:15 magnuse yup 11:15 magnuse record.abs says that field is indexed in the itype index 11:15 jcamins martin_: did you confirm that you don't want itype (instead of Itemtype)? 11:16 magnuse next: bib1.att says "att 8031 itype" 11:16 jcamins Ah, that's what you are doing now. 11:16 * jcamins stops talking. 11:16 martin_ jcamins, yeah.. tried "itype", "Itemtype" and "itemtype"... 11:16 martin_ capitalisation dones't seem to change the result. 11:17 magnuse but pqf.properties does not mention 8031 :-( 11:17 magnuse it does have "index.dc.itemtype = 1=1031" 11:17 magnuse though 11:17 ropuch If your'e talking koha itemtype it's 942c 11:17 martin_ itype comes up with "Unsupported index" with no message.. whereas "itemtype" comes up with unsupported index, but has a message giving me the correct number for the index "1031" 11:17 jcamins ropuch: yeah, but itype is where the data is actually stored. 11:17 magnuse bib1.att says "att 1031 Material-type" 11:18 ropuch jcamins: oh, kk 11:19 magnuse record.abs says "Material-type" comes from 007 and 502 11:19 martin_ wow.. it's way mroe of a maze in there than i thought. 11:19 magnuse so as far as i can see there is no way to search for the contents of 952$y in SRU... 11:20 magnuse you should be able to do what you want to do by adding a new index to pqf.properties 11:20 martin_ i see... any chance you cold direct me to somewher that says how those files all fit together.. i'm a tad confused with the path you just followed to work that out 11:21 magnuse something like "index.local.itemtype = 1=8031" 11:21 magnuse i have explained it in norwegian somewhere once... 11:22 magnuse but let me try to do the short version 11:22 martin_ cheers magnuse.. 11:22 magnuse record.abs maps from marc fields (952$y) to zebra indexes (itype) 11:23 magnuse bib1.att maps from zebra indexes (itype) to bib1 attributes (8031) 11:24 magnuse pqf.properties maps from bib1 attributes (8031) to indexes that are available to SRU (e.g. index.dc.itemtype - you can add your own too) 11:25 martin_ so pqf is specific to SRU only..? 11:25 magnuse hm, not sure, but at least it is the one SRU uses 11:25 martin_ just wondering how cql.properties and ccl.properties fit into the mix.. 11:25 magnuse one is CQL-queries and the other is for CCL queries 11:26 magnuse they are different "query languages" 11:27 martin_ i see.. that makes sense.. the SRU url includes a CQL query to narrow down the search (i.e. the query=itemtype=ART part) as far as i could work out. 11:28 magnuse yup 11:28 martin_ thnkas for your help.. you've given me a fair bit more to think about and "play" with.. 11:28 magnuse i'm not sure, but maybe it should be "query=dc.itemtype=something" 11:29 martin_ i've tried that one too... :P and came up with the same result. 11:29 magnuse because dc.itemtype is searching 007something and 502 11:29 martin_ going to try adding the index.local line you suggested.. that'll require a rebuilt though i assume? 11:30 jcamins No, no rebuilding. 11:30 magnuse nope, the indexes are already populated, it's just a question of making them available to sru 11:31 jcamins If the data is already in the index, you're just telling Zebra about how to make use of the data. 11:31 martin_ ah yeah. of course.. silly me. 11:32 magnuse hm, does "melm 502 Material-type" make sense for "502 - Dissertation Note"? 11:32 martin_ the records on this server seem to contain neither 502's nor 007's... maybe not the best server to be testing this against. 11:32 jcamins magnuse: ... maybe? 11:33 jcamins magnuse: I wouldn't have thought so, but that's just me. 11:33 magnuse me neither, but who am i to say? 11:33 jcamins martin_: most records won't have 502s or 007s. 11:35 martin_ that's good.. if they should then i my import wasn't very good :p 11:35 jcamins Hehe. 11:36 martin_ hmm.. adding the "index.local.itemtype" line doesn't seem to help.. (or index.local.kohaitemtype which i then tried just in case it was clashing with the index.dc.itemtype line above it) 11:38 magnuse how are you using it in the url? 11:40 martin_ as http://bldscat.ids.ac.uk:9998/biblios?version=1.1&operation=searchRetrieve&query=kohaitemtype=ART&maximumRecords=100 11:40 martin_ so "query=kohaitemtype=ART" 11:40 martin_ will probably chance to something smaller once i've got it working. 11:41 magnuse hm, try defining it as index.kohaitemtype ? 11:41 martin_ same result.. 11:41 magnuse so "index.kohaitemtype = 1=8031" 11:41 magnuse hm 11:41 martin_ even with index.local.kohaitemtype 11:42 martin_ yup 11:48 magnuse hm, it looks like prefixes like "dc" have to be defined, so "local" will not work 11:48 magnuse try "index.dc.kohaitemtype" ? 11:50 mveron kf:Back... 11:55 kf hi oleonard 11:55 martin_ still no luck.. 11:55 kf martin_: perhaps file a bug? 11:55 oleonard Hi all 11:55 martin_ what do the prefixes actually mean (dc i imagine is dublin core?... but how does that actually relate) 11:56 martin_ hi oleonard 11:56 martin_ kf: maybe, though it might jut be me trying to do somthing others are unlikely to ever want to do? 11:56 kf hm don't think so 11:56 magnuse martin_: i think they are just namespaces, sort of. they are "defined" on lines 13 etc of pqf.properties 11:57 kf I can imagine it's something people might want - and someone might read it and have an idea on how to do it :) 11:57 magnuse martin_: i know i have successfully added an index for sru, but i can't remember where, and the changes i did are probably lost anyway... 11:58 kylemhall bug 8253 now has a new patch ready for sign-off 11:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8253 blocker, P3, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Fine doubling 11:58 martin_ no worries magnuse, you've been really great in upping my understanding of how zebra fits together so far... 11:58 mveron kf: I browse now through Pootle (online) to do items marked as "fragwürdig" 11:59 kf mveron: ah, what you can do is 11:59 kf mveron: click on the words waiting for translation from this page: 11:59 kf http://translate.koha-community.org/de/38/ 11:59 kf 4302 currently 12:00 kf working on it too right now, waiting for someone 12:00 mveron kf: Ok. 4289 currently... 12:01 mveron ...'benötigen Aufmerksamkeit' 12:01 kf this translation is not from me :) 12:01 kf I am working with the english interface 12:02 mveron kf: ...but it sounds very polite :-) 12:02 kf heh true :) 12:03 mveron kf: dass Sie nur 1 von mehreren Titeln erhalten wollen 1 -> einen ? English one 12:05 kf ah 12:05 kf ingore that 12:05 kf I already corrected that string :) 12:05 kf einen 12:05 kf jump to next 12:06 kf 4016 now 12:06 mveron kf: I skip a couple of entries to prevent collisions 12:06 kf lol 12:06 kf I just did the same :) 12:09 mveron kf: Ok I go back to the first one... :-) 12:09 kf they are alphabetic 12:10 kf perhaps we should use separate letters? 12:10 kf currently mine start with if 12:11 mveron kf: OK, i skip very far ahead. 12:11 drojf hi #koha 12:15 mveron hi drojf 12:15 kf hi drojf 12:15 kf want to join the translation fun? 12:16 kf mveron: I am at Wichtig now = Important 12:16 drojf kf: would get problems with my boss i guess. other job today 12:16 drojf could join in the evening 12:17 drojf if you leave me something ;) 12:17 kf ah too late then 12:17 mveron kf: By skipping without editing it seems that "fuzzy" is removed, did it with several items witout correcting them. 12:17 kf hm no 12:17 kf go back and you see it does not get removed 12:17 kf or at least never worked for me 12:18 kf 3233 now 12:18 mveron Ok. 12:18 kf afaik you either have to change something in the string or remove the fuzzy manually 12:20 oleonard After two checkouts and three or four checkins this is what the new statistics page looks like: http://screencast.com/t/iGrvy3ij3 12:21 oleonard Isn't that wrong or am I missing something? 12:21 mveron kf: Ok. No Heinzelmännchen 12:22 drojf must. translate. one. alibi. string 12:22 kf why location itype and ccode? 12:23 kf 3059 12:23 kf and what is previous state? 12:23 kf and current state? 12:26 kf 2961 12:27 oleonard From the commit: '"precedent state", the number of checkouts the patron had yesterday on its library card' 12:27 oleonard '"actual state", the number of checkouts on the borrower card at the current date' 12:27 kf hm 12:27 kf maybe current checkouts 12:27 kf and yesterday's checkouts? 12:30 drojf kf: how would i know why they all are "fragwürdig"? or is it the default for a new version? there is not really anything to translate there 12:30 * mveron has a support case 12:31 kf drojf: something got changed, I think punctuation most of the time 12:31 kf drojf: but it's still very similar to the old version, so marked fuzzy 12:32 drojf ok 12:32 kf @marc 852 12:32 huginn kf: Identifies the organization holding the item or from which it is available. May also contain detailed information about how to locate the item in a collection. (Repeatable) [a,b,c,e,f,g,h,i,j,k,l,m,n,p,q,s,t,u,x,z,2,3,6,8] 12:35 kf 2720 12:35 kf have to stop now 12:35 * mveron is back 12:36 oleonard So I figured out (Googled) how to generate a patch for a single file among many change files in one commit 12:36 magnuse martin_: did you restart zebra when you tested the new index? i just made it work on my dev install, but had to restart 12:36 oleonard git format-patch [commit id] file(s) 12:36 martin_ ah. no.. didn't think to restart zebra.. of course.. 12:36 jcamins oleonard++ 12:37 martin_ silly me.. it won't read the ocnfig file otherwise.. 12:37 magnuse martin_: yup 12:37 * magnuse is silly too 12:38 martin_ thanks magnus, works like a dream now! 12:38 magnuse w00t! 12:39 gaetan_B fredericd: bonjour :) until what time can we send the .po i am working on for 3.8.2 ? 12:39 * martin_ would hug magnus if he was close :p 12:39 martin_ cheers 12:41 magnuse yay ;-) 12:46 kf fredericd: same queston from me :) 12:52 jcamins martin_: if you look in kohaclone/etc/zebradb, you'll find the files that get installed. 12:52 eythian select count(attribute),distinct(attribute) from borrower_attributes where code='WARD' group by attribute; 12:52 eythian why is that a syntax error? 12:53 martin_ haha.. you just read my comment on the bug.. cheers jcamins 12:53 kf hm maybe count and distinct? 12:53 kf not ure you need the distinct 12:54 eythian select count(attribute),attribute from borrower_attributes where code='WARD' group by attribute; 12:54 eythian that's what I actually want 12:54 kf select count(attribute), attribute 12:54 martin_ try select count(distinct(attribute)) from borrower_attributes where code='WARD' group by attribute; 12:54 jcamins Yeah, distinct does not do what you think it does. 12:54 eythian but I still don't understand why the first is a syntax error 12:54 kf group by already gives you distinct 12:54 martin_ oop. think i got the wrong end of that stick.. i'll leve the pro's to answer that one. 12:54 kf I think both togehter don't work 12:54 eythian kf: it's an error without the group by 12:54 jcamins DISTINCT isn't a function. 12:55 kf oh 12:55 kf correct 12:55 eythian jcamins: that's probably the key point 12:55 kf keyword? 12:55 kf or how do you call those? 12:55 jcamins It's a modifier to SELECT. 12:58 ropuch Yup, it's like "SELECT" and "SELECT DISTINCT" 12:59 eythian yeah, makes sense then why it'd not work 13:00 eythian https://github.com/alevchuk/vim-clutch <-- that is certainly something 13:00 magnuse lol 13:01 ropuch hehe 13:01 mveron kf: Do we have a bug omnibus for typos found in the original text? 13:01 jcamins lol 13:02 magnuse mveron: bug 7367 and bug 7368 13:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7367 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , General OPAC typo omnibus 13:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7368 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , General staff client typo omnibus 13:03 * jcamins must find a use for foot pedals in his computer usage. 13:03 eythian jcamins: I could see it also being useful for emacs modifiers, if you swing that way 13:04 mveron magnuse: Thanks, this time I bookmark them... 13:04 jcamins eythian: you'd need about fifty pedals for Emacs. 13:04 * oleonard pictures a pipe organ 13:07 eythian only 5: escape, meta, alt, ctrl, shift 13:08 kf mveron: yes, try typo omnibus 13:08 kf ah, my scrolling always breaks :( 13:08 jcamins eythian: but you can't press more than two pedals at a time, so you need... 5! 13:09 jcamins No, that's not quite right. 13:09 jcamins The order doesn't matter. 13:09 mveron kf: I make a omnibus comment for the omnibus. :-) 13:09 * jcamins ponders. 13:12 jcamins 5 + 10 + 10 + 5 + 1 13:12 wahanui 31 13:13 jcamins There you go 31 different combinations of modifier keys. 13:13 jcamins So I suppose you could get away with about 15 pedals. 13:13 jcamins (because you have two feet) 13:17 tcohen hi #koh 13:17 tcohen a 13:36 kf mveron++ drojf++ :) 13:36 mveron :-) 13:37 ago43 mtj: about the fines doubling patch, Kyle wrote: It seems like a bad idea to try switching this one part of Koha back to just dates when we've moved forward to datetimes. I have a new patch ready that updates the old fine dates to datetimes instead. 13:39 drojf oh it's done already? 13:39 kf mveron: checking for syntax errors now :) 13:40 drojf i wonder how we could make the translation more consistent 13:40 kf checking the pages after initial translation I think :( 13:40 kf and searching for the words in question 13:40 kf iterative... 13:41 kf ah 2 fatal errors 13:41 mveron kf: I do a general search for things like "Feld, in dem..." to replace with "Feld, wo..." 13:41 kf Feld, wo? 13:42 kf ok, now I got confused :) 13:42 mveron kf: Ist das nicht besser? Ein Feld, wo ... eingegeben werden können 13:42 drojf i think i need a standard version then 13:42 kf hm sounds not right to me 13:42 drojf ein feld wo ist süddeutsch 13:42 kf kinda swabian 13:42 drojf yes 13:42 kf or maybe swiss :) 13:42 kf I think "hochdeutsch" is in dem? 13:42 drojf there were some things like that 13:42 drojf "ein feld scheint auf" :D 13:42 kf ah yes 13:42 kf I have corrected one of those heh 13:43 mveron OK, I do a search on "Feld, wo" :-) 13:43 kf ok, I am trying to find the fatal errors now :) 13:43 * drojf hopes he did not do them ;) 13:44 kf heh, I don't see who did and it happens so easily 13:44 kf we only have to remember to check 13:44 drojf haha i hoped you would not be able to see who did it :D 13:45 kf %s No %sproperties%ssearch domain%s defined. - missing %s in translation 13:45 kf hm and something in here 13:45 kf Koha › Administration › Budgets %s› %s Modify budget'%s' %s Add budget %s %s %s› Duplicate budget%s %s› Delete budget '%s'? %s %s› Data deleted %s 13:45 drojf had none of those strange ones 13:46 mveron kf and drojf: "...ein Suchfeld, wo Sie entweder eine Lieferanten- oder eine Bestellungssuche durchführen können." It is the only one i changed, as far as I remember 13:47 kf most of the docs sound a bit weird 13:47 kf I think it would be better if we could translate the whole manual 13:47 kf and koha would pull in sections from there 13:47 drojf i wonder if it is possible to have some kind of dictionary/thesaurus for koha-librarianese that suggests translations based on context (module) 13:47 kf this way we would have a complete manual and context help 13:47 kf we could start a list on the wiki 13:48 kf or create mark records / authorities ;) 13:48 kf marc records 13:48 drojf marc records for translation? 13:48 kf I was joking :) 13:48 drojf would be an excellent project for somebody with a lot of time to spare :D 13:49 kf ok 13:49 kf opac was ok :) 13:49 drojf i would like more than a list. i have to think about that sometimes. i think i said that the last time already :/ 13:50 drojf perhaps the manual could really be a start 13:50 magnuse +1 for ditching the help pages and integrating the manual! 13:51 jcamins +1 13:51 mveron +1 13:52 jcamins drojf++ # for having time to spare! :D 13:52 drojf heh 13:52 * jcamins will see if he can persuade Shari that this would be a good use of her time. 13:54 kf would need some pgoramming too :( 13:55 jcamins kf: that's what I meant I would persuade her to do. ;) 13:55 kf ooh :) 13:56 * oleonard hopes she doesn't shout "Shut up, nerd!" and kick sand in jcamins' face 13:56 jcamins Hehe. 13:59 jcamins Actually- why *don't* we do that already? 14:00 * jcamins will ask nengard, but it seems to him that life would be much easier for the doc manager if everything did not have to be copied from the manual. 14:00 oleonard Kick sand in each other's faces? 14:00 jcamins Extract our context-sensitive help directly from the manual. 14:01 mveron jcamins: ++ 14:01 tcohen julian_m: may we talk about bug 8110 14:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8110 blocker, P1 - high, ---, kyle.m.hall, Failed QA , Fines accruing on closed days 14:02 jcamins Speaking of releasing things... 14:03 julian_m tcohen, yes. do you know why dates are truncated? 14:03 tcohen i can guess 14:04 julian_m removing the 2 calls to truncate seems to fix my problem 14:05 tcohen it has to do with how are dates substracted 14:06 tcohen a date includes hour and minutes data 14:06 tcohen so who wrote the code wanted the day part to be taken into account 14:08 julian_m but the other parts have to be taken into account too 14:09 tcohen of course 14:09 tcohen i was just guessing why it was truncated 14:10 tcohen i would even add that hourly loans might make this messier 14:10 tcohen if its being usend in that case 14:11 julian_m I think the problem was introduced by this commit c6f1f64cb71e9d8ec560a201a4a0bc16c1510f3f, subtraction is moved after truncation 14:13 tcohen bug 8251 14:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8251 critical, P1 - high, ---, koha, Pushed to Master , Patrons are systematically debarred at checkin 14:13 tcohen that's a patch I wrote 14:14 tcohen maybe truncation should be removed ? 14:15 julian_m i don't know, maybe just replacing subtraction before truncation would suffice 14:15 tcohen I don't understand why that would make the job 14:15 tcohen i'll re-read it 14:16 tcohen maybe truncation was not working at all as ->truncate('days') was used instead of the documented ->trunctaion('day') 14:29 julian_m tcohen, I'm testing truncate, it seems that "to => 'days'" dont' do anything and "to => 'day'" reset hour,minute and second to 0, so I don't understand why removing truncate from days_between fixed my problem... 14:30 tcohen I think we fixed things in a higher level 14:30 tcohen assuming truncation was working... 14:31 tcohen not sure as I've been out for a while 14:31 tcohen so, fixing the truncate use ight have consequences 14:33 tcohen julian_m, which is the function that is failing? 14:34 tcohen (in fines.pl ?) 14:35 tcohen oh my... 14:35 tcohen truncate( to => 'minutes') 14:36 julian_m tcohen, in fact i think it's C4::Overdues::_get_chargeable_units which return $duration->in_units('days') and it doesn't take months or years into account 14:36 julian_m where do you see that? 14:37 tcohen grep -R 'truncate(' * | grep -v 'translator' | grep minute | grep 'truncate' 14:38 tcohen i was just following Jonathan Druart advise to fix the truncate usage everywhere 14:39 * jcamins tests 3.6.6. 14:39 jcamins I guess I should send a message to koha-translate reminding you all that you have to finish before fredericd's close of business on Friday. 14:39 jcamins kf: mveron: drojf: I'm looking at you! 14:40 jcamins gaetan_B: you too. 14:40 kf jcamins: we have finished already. 14:40 jcamins kf: for 3.6.x, too? 14:40 kf of course 14:40 gaetan_B jcamins: i am double-checking what i have been doing right now and will send it in shortly ! 14:40 jcamins :) 14:41 kf :P 14:41 jcamins kf++ 14:41 jcamins mveron++ 14:41 jcamins drojf++ 14:41 jcamins gaetan_B++ 14:41 kf were not many strings for 3.6.x 14:41 kf 3.8 was the hard one and mveron did most of ti :) 14:41 * mveron ...and introduces some helvetismes 14:42 drojf heh 14:42 kf heh 14:42 kf fair enough :) 14:42 drojf mveron: we need a swissgerman version 14:42 kf drojf: but who will translate for us when mveron has his own verson? 14:43 jcamins kf: drojf? ;) 14:43 mveron drojf: ...in each of our dialects: Füfefufg, fünfefuzig, feufefuzg for 55 :-) 14:43 drojf mveron: we don't need a swissgerman version 14:43 kf fredericd++ 14:43 drojf :P 14:43 jcamins Feufefuzg? 14:43 mveron Feufefüfzg is correct. For 55 14:43 kf citing fredericd "For translators working like mad in order to improve their language support in coming Koha 3.8.2, you can work until 7pm UTC." 14:44 kf ah 14:44 kf I am checking 3.6.3 for errors now 14:45 jcamins mveron: I don't know any German at all, and that word I can't even figure out how to pronounce! 14:46 kf don't try 14:46 kf you only hurt your throat 14:46 mveron jcamins: No need for you :-) We won't understand :-) 14:46 drojf how does that work with the nynorsk translation? i think there are a lot of different forms too 14:47 jcamins lol 14:47 kf oh 14:47 drojf oh nevermind, there is not much nynorsk atm it seems 14:47 kf one error in 3.6.x staff 14:48 kf fixed 14:49 kf jcamins: now I am sad 14:49 kf jcamins: I have to wait for 3.6.6 until 20112? 14:50 kf perhaps I should get myself one of those cryo tanks 14:50 jcamins Oops. 14:50 kf ;) 14:51 julian_m tcohen, I wrote a comment on bug 8110, if you want to see... 14:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8110 blocker, P1 - high, ---, kyle.m.hall, Failed QA , Fines accruing on closed days 14:51 tcohen i've just read it 14:52 jcamins julian_m: doesn't DateTime provide support for figuring out leap years? 14:52 tcohen it does 14:52 magnuse nynorsk has its own translation, which noone is looking after at the moment 14:52 julian_m DateTime maybe but not DateTime::Duration 14:52 tcohen $dt->is_leap_year 14:52 julian_m it contains only a number of years, months, days, ... 14:53 tcohen julian_m, but adding a duration to a date should work as expected 14:53 jcamins julian_m: and not the start and end dates? That doesn't seem very localizeable. 14:54 julian_m jcamins, Data::Dumper tell me that: 14:54 julian_m $VAR1 = bless( { 14:54 julian_m 'seconds' => 22, 14:54 julian_m 'minutes' => 1006, 14:54 julian_m 'end_of_month' => 'wrap', 14:54 julian_m 'nanoseconds' => 0, 14:54 julian_m 'days' => 30, 14:54 julian_m 'months' => 0 14:54 julian_m }, 'DateTime::Duration' ); 14:55 jcamins Pfeh. 14:55 * jcamins agrees with your suggestion. 14:55 julian_m tcohen, yes this should work, but we need a number of days :/ 14:55 jcamins At least as a temporary fix. 14:55 jcamins I think. 14:55 * jcamins isn't an expert. 14:55 tcohen $duration->days doesn't work? 14:56 julian_m days return only the day part, month the month part, etc.. 14:57 julian_m tcohen, try this: perl -E 'use DateTime; my $dt = DateTime->now(); $dt->truncate(to => 'day'); say $dt->year . "-" . $dt->month . "-" . $dt->day . "T" . $dt->hour . ":" . $dt->minute . ":" . $dt->second . "Z";' 14:57 tcohen yes, but rn't we trying to calculate fines using duration->days ? 14:58 julian_m hmm bad example, it doesn't use DateTime::Duration.. 14:59 julian_m tcohen, i believe we're using $duration->in_units('days') which seems to be the same thing 15:01 reiveune1 bye$ 15:01 julian_m not the same thing in fact, in_units is able to do some conversion, like years to months (always 12 months/year), or weeks to days (7days/week) but not months to days 15:04 julian_m i have to go, bye all! 15:05 jcamins nengard: I had a question for you. 15:05 nengard yup? 15:05 jcamins Would I be correct in thinking your life would be easier if the context sensitive help for Koha were pulled directly from the manual? 15:06 jcamins So you didn't have to copy it in before each release. 15:06 kf translators would love it :) 15:07 nengard yes that would make my life easier 15:08 jcamins Okay, that's what I thought. 15:09 nengard what wouldn't make my life easier would be splitting the manual up in to multiple files or going away from docbook 15:09 kf nengard: perhaps there are nicer things than docbook 15:09 kf I think mahara uses some kind of wiki - the syntax looks lots easier 15:09 nengard transferring to docbook was a pain in the arse 15:09 kf yeah, we would have to convert it 15:10 nengard and I don't want to transfer again - not when I finally have it down to a science 15:10 kf not rewriting anything 15:10 nengard and we have scripts in place to generate the html and ? all of it took forever to get in place 15:10 jcamins nengard: my thought was that we already have the needed context information in IDs (and if we are missing it a few places, we should add it), and then Koha could just extract the content from Docbook. 15:10 nengard and the community voted on docbook cause it was easy for translators 15:10 nengard or so I was told 15:10 nengard when I learned it 15:10 nengard years ago 15:10 * jcamins doesn't care what the format is. 15:10 nengard jcamins - yes I have all the IDs in there 15:11 jcamins That's what I thought. 15:11 kf was only thinking a wiki might be easier for translators to work in - cooperatively - but I understand it would be hard to change now 15:11 nengard oh god! the wiki would be horrible! 15:11 kf nengard: not our wiki - it's a different softare. don't panic! 15:12 nengard hehe 15:12 kf I was only reading a blog post from anitsirk recently, where she said how the mahara community does translatable manuals 15:12 * jcamins panics. :D 15:13 kf wah 15:13 * kf starts working on her next ticket, hiding behind it 15:15 francharb 0/ 15:41 jcamins Um, wow. 15:41 jcamins That's quite a problem that just came across the list. 15:41 oleonard ՇÕ 15:41 oleonard Õ«Õ 15:41 oleonard Õ¿Õ 15:42 * jcamins doesn't know any Armenian. 15:42 jcamins But at least I know it's Armenian and not Georgian. I used to get the two alphabets confused, which was very embarrassing. 15:43 trea are there any resources for showing how relevance works in koha? 15:43 jcamins trea: I recommend the following: 15:43 jcamins 1. Hazmat suit. 15:43 jcamins 2. Strong liquor. 15:43 trea roger that 15:44 jcamins 3. Looking in C4/Search.pm around line 760, in sub _build_weighted_query. 15:46 * oleonard hopes his patch for Bug 8281 made it through to the patches list 15:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8281 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Remove unused YUI files 15:46 oleonard Ooops, no it didn't. 15:46 oleonard I guess attaching it to the bug will have to suffice. 15:47 oleonard Over 8 megabytes of YUI-killing goodness. 15:47 jcamins Wow! 15:47 oleonard All stuff we weren't using anyway 15:47 jcamins 8MB of unneeded files? 15:47 jcamins Ouch. 15:48 oleonard Great, Bugzilla won't take it either. :( 15:49 magnuse oleonard++ 15:50 mveron nengard, kf, jcamins, drojf, magnuse: I think we can implement something that does not really change the process for manual authoring.... 15:50 * mveron will try dive into the whole manual / help / trsnalation process to understand the status quo 15:51 jcamins mveron: that was my thought. I just want to change the process for help files. 15:51 jcamins I would like all the translations to come from the manual translations. 15:51 * oleonard prints out his patch and snail-mails it to random Koha people hoping for a sign-off 15:52 jcamins lol 15:58 mveron jcamins: Could be some sections in the manual, something like "Quickhelp". If the whole manual is not translated, there could be at least a version just with the "Quickhelp". Koha then could grab those sections (defaulting to the original). 15:59 mtj oleonard: or push yr huge-patch to your github (or similar) and paste that url in the bug? 15:59 oleonard Just did :) 15:59 jcamins mveron: exactly what I was thinking. 16:00 mtj owen, nice one :) 16:02 mtj [off] dancer+bootstrap beer.app -> http://kohaaloha.com:5000 16:04 mveron jcamins: We could even do something like a "lazy initialization". First time, Koha grabs the section (could even be online) , then put it in a database. Some Hash could make sure thatwe always have the newest version (or a button "get newset version"). The table could contain a field for private notes that are not affected by updates. 16:05 jcamins mveron++ # great minds think alike 16:05 mveron :-) 16:06 mveron It's the somewhat cumbersome translation work that makes me think :-) 16:07 oleonard mtj: How'd you like working with bootstrap? 16:08 mtj super easy, super fun :) 16:09 mtj i now have real-world reason to want koha upgraded to gpl3.... 16:09 kf oleonard: wrong branch? ps-bug-8194-subscription-add-columns-2012-06-15 16:10 oleonard :( 16:10 oleonard ps-bug-8281-remove-yui-files-2012-06-21 16:11 jcamins What is bootstrap? 16:11 oleonard http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/ 16:12 oleonard mtj, what does gpl3 have to do with it? Are we incompatible? 16:12 eythian shouldn't be 16:13 mtj appartently so, bootstrap is apache2 license (which is incompatible with koha's gpl2 license?) :/ 16:14 eythian then you say "koha is gpl3" and it magically is :) 16:14 mtj whew, glad we got that sorted! 16:14 mtj http://www.apache.org/licenses/GPL-compatibility.html 16:15 eythian I think all of koha is "gpl2 or later" 16:16 mtj ok, chris.c said something similar when i asked him 16:20 mtj i still don't quite understand that 'or later' part of the gpl... 16:21 jcamins It means that you can choose to treat it as GPL2, or GPL3, or GPL4... 16:21 mtj ok, cool - i'm very happy to be wrong then :) 16:22 gaetan_B bye ! 16:30 kf bye all :) 16:31 eythian jcamins_away: oldstable|main|source: libtemplate-plugin-htmltotext-perl 0.03-1 16:32 jcamins_away eythian++ 16:32 eythian all uploaded. 16:34 eythian I might email an announcement that that repo exists. 16:35 drojf please do 16:39 eythian http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.0_on_Debian_Lenny <-- this kind of thing shouldn't be on the wiki any more 16:39 eythian at least without a warning 16:39 * eythian adds a warning 16:46 drojf eythian: maybe we can have a "good old days" section or something for things like that. there may be a reason for someone to come back to look at this, i dont know. but it should not pop up in a search engine if someone wants to get koha in 2012 16:47 eythian yeah. For now I just stuck a big bold message at the top of the page 16:48 drojf eythian++ # it's beautiful ;) 16:48 eythian I'm all about the art ;) 16:49 drojf now you have to maintain that page forever and fix the link every six months ;) 16:49 drojf or just put one on the 3.8 page when it's time and give new users a nice ride through koha history before they start 16:51 eythian drojf: no, every time it gets updated, I edit the 3.8 page and make it redirect to the new number :) 16:51 eythian http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.4_on_Debian_Squeeze <-- for example 16:51 eythian (I don't know why it stops in the middle though 16:51 eythian ) 16:51 eythian http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.2_on_Debian_Squeeze <-- oh, here is where it starts 16:52 drojf :D 16:53 drojf why doesn't 3.0 do that= 16:53 drojf ? 16:53 eythian there were no packages for 3.0 16:54 drojf ah, right 16:56 eythian I really need to re-write that wiki page from scratch, it's getting a bit messy 16:57 eythian Should probably also rename it to not have version numbers in the title... 17:04 eythian email: sent 17:04 eythian I might go home or something 17:11 Oak And as I watch the drops of rain 17:11 Oak / Weave their weary paths and die / 17:11 Oak I know that I am like the rain / 17:11 Oak There but for the grace of you go I 17:29 * cait waves 17:34 drojf hi cait :) 17:38 cait hi drojf 17:46 nengard question about overdue report 17:46 nengard can anyone tell me on this page: /cgi-bin/koha/circ/overdue.pl what does "Show any items currently checked out:" do? 17:46 nengard it's one of the filters on the left 17:47 cait not sure actually :( 17:48 cait shouldn't tey all be checked out? 17:48 nengard right 17:48 nengard hence my confusion 17:53 cait no idea 17:55 nengard HA 17:55 nengard anyone else? should we remove it if it doesn't do anything? 18:02 cait I think the code would reveal it 18:02 cait but I have to learn accounting :( have my exam tomorrow 18:08 oleonard $strsth.=" AND date_due < '" . $todaysdate . "' " unless ($showall); 18:08 oleonard Checking the box will show any item which matches the filter even if it's not overdue? 18:10 cait hah 18:10 cait I just had the same idea reading nengard's report 18:10 cait maybe it's supposed to show all items checked out by the user with overdues 18:11 cait or even all and everything? 18:11 nengard so ? wait a sec ? sounds like a bug to me 18:12 cait oleonard: can you see who added it with a git blame ? 18:13 wizzyrea it would about have to be biblibre, I believe they did the dev that added that. 18:13 wizzyrea added the filters I mean 18:14 cait yeah 18:14 cait thought we might find an explnation on the commit maybe 18:14 oleonard bug 2866: Overdues Reports - Upgrading to filter by patron extended attributes 18:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2866 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, Filtering and sorting the overdue report using patron attributes 18:18 cait hm 18:55 sekjal should Koha use "highly experimental" Perl syntax? 18:55 jcamins_away sekjal: uh, no. 18:55 jcamins_away Unless there's a really super-compelling reason, like... 18:55 jcamins_away Uhhh... 18:55 sekjal http://perldoc.perl.org/perlsyn.html#Switch-Statements 18:55 sekjal given/when 18:56 jcamins_away Ooh. 18:56 jcamins_away That for() block is brilliant. 18:59 sekjal I love switch statements 18:59 jcamins_away Me too. 18:59 sekjal glad Perl is finally starting to get a handle on them 18:59 jcamins_away I didn't realize there was a workaround to be able to use them already. 19:00 sekjal now that we're minimum 5.10, I think it's available 19:01 jcamins_away It seems to me that the for example would actually work with any version of Perl, with a very small modification. 19:03 oleonard MARC preview with jQueryUI Dialog instead of Greybox: http://screencast.com/t/dxrfNoxVmkt 19:04 sekjal oleonard: nice! 19:04 jcamins_away FWIW, I am still 1000% pro Test::MockModule. 19:04 cait nice! 19:04 jcamins_away I disagree strenuously with marcelr's assertion that we shouldn't be testing counterfactual conditions. 19:04 jcamins_away (see what I did there?:) 19:04 jcamins_away Nice! 19:07 jcamins_away Incidentally, for those who are curious, there is not actually any reason that we couldn't put Zebra config files on /dev/shm, and modify them from staff client. 19:07 jcamins_away (other than the obvious, it's too much trouble) 19:23 ger is there anyone who can help me to an koha error? 19:24 oleonard Only if you ask the question ger! 19:25 ger im installed koha in centos 5.5 and when i enter in the intranet i get the follow error "Can't call method "id" on an undefined value at InstallAuth.pm line 278." 19:27 ger the error_log of koha it returns me the following 19:27 ger install.pl: Can't call method "id" on an undefined value at InstallAuth.pm line 278. 19:27 ger losedir() attempted on invalid dirhandle DIR at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 201. 19:28 ger closedir() attempted on invalid dirhandle DIR at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 201. 19:29 drojf i dont know anything about centos, but is there a reason why you chose a version that is 2 years old to install? and what version of koha do you use? 19:29 jcamins_away There was someone else using CentOS recently. That person might know something about it. 19:29 jcamins_away first question? 19:29 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?" 19:29 jcamins_away Yikes. I'd say there is no way it's going to work. 19:29 jcamins_away Sounds like something wasn't installed properly. 19:29 jcamins_away CentOS 5.5 is 2 years old? 19:30 drojf 5.5 i386, x86-64 5.5 2010-05-14 19:30 jcamins_away (I hope I'm wrong, but modern CentOS versions are hairy) 19:30 drojf 6.3 is the latest according to wikipedia 19:31 drojf there is a wiki page about 3.6 in centos 6.2 http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.6_on_Centos_6.2_i386 19:32 jcamins_away Sounds worth a try. 19:32 ger the reason that ihave centos its cos actuallity the server is in production, so i can't change de version of the OS, why i'll have a lot of problems with the other aplications 19:33 drojf and what version of koha did you install? 19:33 jcamins_away I would consider running Debian under some sort of virtualization. Everything I know about Koha and CentOS has convinced me that it is not something I would want to try. 19:33 drojf heh 19:34 ger koha-3.00.00 19:34 jcamins_away drojf: ask sekjal. I think he installed Koha under CentOS once. I believe every single system utility had to be replaced. 19:34 drojf omg 19:34 jcamins_away The current version of Koha is 3.8.1 (soon to be 3.8.2) or 3.6.5 (soon to be 3.6.6). 19:34 drojf sounds fun :D 19:35 sekjal nope, never tried CentOS 19:35 jcamins_away You should use one of those. 19:35 drojf yes, 3.0 is two years old and not supported anymore 19:35 jcamins_away sekjal: what OS was it you had tried, then? 19:35 wizzyrea ger why 3.0.0? Where did you get that? 19:35 sekjal jcamins: mostly just do Debian and Ubuntu 19:35 sekjal larryb worked on getting RedHat to work once 19:35 wajasu when is 3.8.2 targetted. i want to patch and test some stuff 19:35 sekjal it was horrible 19:35 sekjal and, ultimately, a no-go 19:35 jcamins_away sekjal: I must have been thinking of Redhat. 19:35 jcamins_away And larryb. 19:35 jcamins_away Sorry, larryb! 19:36 jcamins_away wajasu: ca. six hours from now? 19:37 wajasu maybe next time round. 19:37 drojf ger: you should try 3.6 or 3.8. take 3.8 if you don't plan to go live within the next weeks 19:37 jcamins_away wajasu: you should submit patches against master. Right away. 19:38 jcamins_away :) 19:38 jcamins_away wajasu: also, I've decided I don't like sbuild. It is not nearly so contained as pbuilder. 19:38 ger anyone knows an installation guide for the latest version of koha? 19:38 ger maybe i have to try the latest version 19:38 jcamins_away However, rangi introduced me to ssh-agent, which removes the need to enter my password over and over. 19:38 drojf http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.6_on_Centos_6.2_i386 you could try this on centos 5.5 i guess 19:39 jcamins_away ger: you know that the Koha website is koha-community.org, right? 19:39 drojf or use a virtual machine and debian 19:39 drojf jcamins_away: he would have 4.x otherwise i guess ;) 19:39 ger maybe debian it's the best choice jeje 19:40 jcamins_away drojf: true. 19:40 jcamins_away ger: I would go with virtualization + Debian, definitely. 19:40 drojf ger: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.8_on_Debian_Squeeze 19:40 wajasu is there any place/page someone declares the target release dates? 19:41 ger ok i gonna try 19:41 jcamins_away wajasu: there is somewhere, but basically the 22nd and 23rd of the month. 19:41 jcamins_away Major releases are once every six months. 19:41 jcamins_away April/October. 19:41 ger thks for the help!!! :) 19:41 jcamins_away Minor monthly. 19:41 wajasu ok that works. 19:41 drojf ger: good luck 19:41 jcamins_away But you have to get your patches signed off and QAed, and everything, so you should plan to submit everything ASAP. 19:41 drojf come back if you have problems 19:41 drojf or just stay ;) 19:41 wajasu i won't lookk at sbuild. 19:43 wajasu jcamins: with proot, i couldn't figure out how to get mysql-server to install, since its post_install script hang stopping the mysql server. 19:44 jcamins_away As releases near, RMs and RMaints get a lot more conservative about what they push, usually. 19:44 jcamins_away wajasu: I don't think I had to do anything special to get it working. I think it pretty much just worked right off. 19:45 wajasu i ran proot, and whn i installed koha-common, and mysql-server was installed, it hung. now my host OS is archlinux. 19:46 jcamins_away Probably has to do with needing something special with Arch. 19:47 wajasu so you got koha-common installed under proot? 19:50 jcamins_away Yeah, though I it was a while ago. 19:50 jcamins_away Well, last week. 20:03 rangi Morning 20:09 rangi Hmm a cat on the bus today 20:10 oleonard A hep cat? 20:10 wizzyrea i can has no more phone ringing plz kthx 20:11 rangi Off to the vet cat 20:11 rangi Had 3 guide dogs on yesterday 20:17 drojf good morning rangi 20:17 cait morning rangi :) 20:18 rangi Ohh pull request from fredericd 20:19 rangi fredericd++ 20:19 rangi And yay mveron 20:20 rangi German_translators++ 20:20 cait and hopefully all errors fixed too 20:20 cait fingers crossed 20:21 rangi Ich danke der Mann 20:21 rangi Is that right? 20:22 cait dem Mann heh 20:22 rangi Dang 20:22 cait perhaps better try French with fredericd? 20:23 rangi I'll have to do more duolingo.com 20:25 rangi slef: tried the gorge best last night I like it 20:29 cait rangi: you will go back to get more? 20:29 cait :) 20:30 rangi Sometime yes :-) 20:32 oleonard See you later #koha 20:33 rangi Brian 20:37 rangi Autocorrect must die 20:37 rangi Bbiab 20:43 rangi back 20:48 kathryn hi all 20:49 * kathryn waves to cait 20:49 * cait waves to kathryn :) 20:49 cait hope no more soup accidents? 20:49 kathryn hehe, no. 20:50 rangi heh 20:51 rangi drojf++ #a good question 20:52 drojf forgot to ask about the os though. we'll keep him busy ;( 20:52 drojf ;) 20:53 * rangi starts work on release notes 20:59 drojf rangi++ #yeah new koha 21:00 drojf duckduckgo asks testers about relevancy. excellent. time to talk about the ranking of koha vs. the fork again 21:00 rangi heh 21:03 rangi equinox++ 21:03 rangi http://www.esilibrary.com/esi/newsitem.php?id=2193 21:07 rangi fredericd++ # i love how the pull requests always just work! 21:12 schuster Howdy all. I was looking at my logs on our new installation as of June 6th and found tons of errors in the koha-opac-error_log I'm pasting 2 lines that seem to continue to generate 21:12 pastebot "schuster" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "errors in the koha-opac-error_log" (2 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/3 21:12 rangi seems like you have no language preference set 21:12 rangi look in systempreferences 21:12 schuster I'm not seeing this in the bugs so wasn't sure if it is unique to me or not. 21:12 schuster Ah thanks! 21:13 rangi and the i18n/l10n tab 21:13 rangi try checking en in there it might make it go away 21:14 schuster hm that is already set. I'll undo it and redo it and see if that helps. 21:14 rangi worth a crack nigel 21:15 schuster nope still outputting errors. 21:15 rangi hmm 21:17 rangi oh damnit i pushed the wrong tag 21:17 * rangi fixes 21:17 rangi hi Justinb 21:17 Justinb hi 21:17 wahanui hola, Justinb 21:18 Justinb im ok w/ english 21:18 rangi wahanui is a bot 21:18 Justinb o 21:18 Justinb k 21:19 Justinb i'm trying to change my liblime koha 1.4.5 system 21:20 rangi ahh, sorry this channel is for Koha (from http://koha-community.org) we can't help you with the liblime fork 21:20 jenkins_koha Starting build #63 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 21:21 Justinb whenever i check out a book out it charges the patron 5.00 21:21 Justinb how do i change that? 21:21 rangi we don't know, no one here uses the liblime fork 21:21 Justinb dont think it has anything to do w/ the liblime part of it 21:23 Justinb darn. You should try liblime. I have never used this program before, and it was quite difficult to install, but i am glad i have it now. since ive never tried the normal koha, i dont know anything about it 21:23 rangi no we prefer using actual Koha 21:23 Justinb in fact, i couldn't find it on the website! 21:23 cait Justinb: what did yo not find? 21:24 Justinb here is link: www.koha.org 21:24 cait You can download koha from here koha-community.org 21:24 Justinb the non-liblime koha 21:24 rangi http://www.koha-community.org/ <-- is the real website, the other is solely controlled by liblime and used entirely to advertise their fork 21:24 schuster LibLime - back away from the computer... 21:24 Justinb oh. 21:24 Justinb haha 21:24 schuster Start OVER! 21:24 Justinb nah 21:24 cait when you still can I would give it a thought 21:25 cait and it's probably a lot easier to install 21:25 Justinb took me three days to install the other one! 21:25 schuster I just migrated away from that code back to the true Koha... 21:25 Justinb can u believe that? 21:25 rangi we can, thats why we don't use it 21:25 Justinb thanks, i will try normal koha 21:25 rangi :) 21:25 schuster Yes... There is no help there for it where here there is.. 21:25 Justinb :) 21:25 schuster for Koha... 21:26 Justinb Question... 21:26 wahanui i guess question is "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?" 21:26 cait Justinb: and when you run into probloems.. there will always be someone around to help 21:26 Justinb yes. 21:26 cait which os are you using? 21:26 Justinb do u still need Zebra, Yaz, MySQL, and all that other stuff for normal koha? 21:27 Justinb I am using Ubuntu 21:27 cait yes you do, but there are packages 21:27 cait packages? 21:27 wahanui well, packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 21:27 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.8_on_Debian_Squeeze 21:27 Justinb Ubuntu 11.11 21:28 cait I am using ubuntu too, should work nicely 21:28 Justinb Sorry, gotta go (11.10) 21:28 Justinb thank you for all your help!!!! 21:28 Justinb I will try normal koha! 21:28 cait cool :) 21:28 Justinb bye 21:28 Justinb :) 21:28 Justinb :P 21:30 * mtj boogles at what a 'liblime 1.4.5' system is... 21:30 wizzyrea well we haven't had one of those in a while 21:30 mtj amen wiz 21:31 mtj ... speshly since kc.org is now 'official' :) 21:32 wizzyrea :D 21:32 * wizzyrea is glad we are #2 now 21:32 mtj wizzyrea++ 21:33 mtj number 1 in google.nz results... with FF now 21:34 cjh mtj: do you mean searching for 'koha'? 21:35 mtj cjh: yep 21:35 cjh for me its not :( 21:35 mtj tis for me :) 21:35 cjh I thought google changed your results based on what you accessed, I visit kc.org daily and have gone to the bad koha once... 21:37 cait why did we get a better ranking so suddenly now? 21:37 mtj cjh: google does not 'know' who i am, ie: i dont sign-in to google when searching 21:38 mtj cait: coz..many search changes at google lately 21:38 rangi http://download.koha-community.org/ 21:39 mtj ..and its not soooo sudden :) 21:39 rangi if anyone has time to download and do a quick check the file looks ok? 21:40 wizzyrea lots of search changes, plus I explicitly told google that we were "official" for koha 21:40 wizzyrea dk if it had any effect but we were gone, then 3 days later we were #2 21:41 wizzyrea that is to say, I never got an answer from them 21:41 wizzyrea teh googlez, I mean. 21:42 mtj rangi: files look good to me 21:44 mtj and... thank you! :) 21:45 cait rangi+ 21:45 cait rangi++ even :) 21:55 rangi cool 21:55 rangi will do the release notes now 22:05 rangi http://koha-community.org/ 22:06 jcamins Woohoo! 22:06 jcamins rangi++ 22:06 jcamins Oh, that reminds me. 22:06 jcamins I need to push 3.6.x 22:06 * jcamins does so. 22:07 jcamins There are too many unreachable loose objects. 22:07 jcamins That does not make one feel confident. 22:08 rangi hmm? 22:08 jcamins That's what git says when I push to git.koha-community.org 22:09 rangi maybe do a git gc ? 22:09 jcamins It said "Run git prune," so I did. 22:09 rangi push appeared to have worked tho 22:09 rangi ah :) 22:09 rangi yep thats part of what gc does 22:09 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #63: SUCCESS in 49 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/63/ 22:09 jenkins_koha * f.demians: Koha 3.8.2 Translation Update 22:09 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Release notes for 3.8.2 22:14 rangi jcamins: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/3.6.x that right? 22:16 jcamins Yup. 22:17 jcamins I didn't have time to remove zebraqueue_daemon. 22:17 jcamins Oh well. 22:20 jenkins_koha Starting build #52 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 22:21 bshum rangi: I'm around. 22:21 rangi bshum: you about? 22:21 rangi :) 22:22 rangi github.com/rcaputo/bot-pastebot.git 22:22 rangi is pretty much all there is to it, clone that 22:23 rangi and the README is good 22:23 bshum Aha, neat. 22:23 rangi what we have done is poke the template files too, to add the koha logo etc 22:24 rangi altho i undid all that the other day by accident :) 22:24 bshum Hehe 22:24 rangi but yeah it pretty much just works 22:24 bshum Very nice. 22:25 bshum Do you do alot of maintenance or cleanup of old pastes? Or I imagine it's all reasonably minor anyways. 22:28 jcamins Woohoo! I managed to install my package signing key into pbuilder! 22:28 rangi by default it sticks them as txt files in /tmp 22:28 rangi a reboot cleans them all up :) 22:28 rangi jcamins: nice! 22:29 * jcamins tries the faster dependency resolver. 22:29 bshum rangi: Neat, thanks for the pointers! I'm toying with the idea of setting something like that up for our Evergreen channel. 22:30 rangi awesome :) 22:30 rangi http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2012/06/22/koha-3-8-2-released-and-statistics/ 22:31 jcamins Huh. That actually was faster. Cool! 22:31 rangi bshum: are you going to ALA ? 22:31 bshum rangi: Fortunately not. 22:31 rangi heh 22:31 bshum Erm… "un"fortunately? 22:32 rangi i think both work :) 22:32 rangi its a mixture of both 22:32 bshum Indeed, I don't know how hot it is over there, but I suspect I wouldn't enjoy it. 22:32 jcamins Looks like I did pretty well on signoffs. 22:32 jeff "i didn't go to ala therefore all i got was all the vendor ala spam in my inbox" 22:32 rangi heh 22:33 jcamins I expect I'll do even better with sign-offs on 3.6.6... 22:34 rangi jeff: it seems to be a library conference thing, i get spam from all the conferences 22:34 * jeff nods 22:34 jcamins I get a ton of spam from non-library conferences too. 22:35 rangi i mostly only go to tech and library ones, and the tech ones are floss ones .. 22:35 jcamins I get spam from conferences I have never gone to! 22:35 rangi ohh, for ones in las vegas? 22:35 jeff most library vendors send out conference-related newsletters / etc leading up to a conference, mostly to their entire customer list, sometimes combined with their "has ever asked us about any of our products" lists. 22:36 rangi yeah 22:36 jeff then there are the vendors who get a list of conference attendees and spam it year after year, or send to the entire attendee list from the context of "thanks for visiting our booth at" 22:36 * jeff shrugs 22:36 jeff mild annoyance, nothing more. :-) 22:37 rangi i wonder does it ever work? 22:37 rangi jeff: its the ones that do it with a huge cc list that are super special :) 22:49 bshum rangi: Off to dinner for now, but thanks for walking me through the basics! 22:49 rangi no worries 23:03 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.6.x build #52: SUCCESS in 43 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/52/ 23:03 jenkins_koha * ian.walls: Bug 7016 Followup: Add new GetItemnumberForBiblio subroutine 23:03 jenkins_koha * gmc: bug 7016 further followup: clarify return of GetItemnumbersForBiblio 23:03 jenkins_koha * veron: Bug 7528 - amount subtracting 1 cent 23:03 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7927 - library not showing on subscription full history anymore 23:03 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7354: Can't edit local use system preferences 23:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7016 blocker, P1 - high, ---, koha.sekjal, RESOLVED FIXED, CanBookBeReserved uses GetItemsInfo unnecessarily 23:03 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7922: Fixing typo in German sample news 23:03 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7833 - unique holiday link broken 23:03 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7845: Multiple 260s don't display properly in search results 23:03 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 3337 - RSS link is not correct for searches without results 23:03 jenkins_koha * gaetan.boisson: Bug 7693 - clear screen button misaligned 23:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7528 critical, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, Pushed to Master , amount subtracting 1 cent 23:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7927 critical, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , library not showing on subscription full history anymore 23:03 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 7950 - Typo for preference intranetuserjs 23:03 jenkins_koha * mjr: Bug 6267 custom http user-agent in check-url.pl (fix for books.google.com 401 error) 23:03 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 7726: explanation and options that were in the wrong order 23:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7354 critical, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , Can't edit local use system preferences 23:03 jenkins_koha * mjr: Bug 1577 - update INSTALL to mention need to translate templates 23:03 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 3969: Budget search in acquisition does't work (search) 23:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7922 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , Fixing typos and improving translations in German sample data 23:03 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6931 : Only update frameworks for the correct marcflavour 23:03 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 3969 follow-up = budget name field is budget_name, not name 23:03 jenkins_koha * robin: Bug 6496 - tidy the display of 710 fields on XSLT 23:03 jenkins_koha * robin: Bug 6496 - correct the order of the author display in the OPAC 23:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7833 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , unique holiday link broken 23:03 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Update 3.6.6 release notes 23:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7845 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , Multiple 260s don't display properly in search results 23:03 rangi kablam! 23:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3337 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , RSS link is not correct 23:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7693 minor, P5 - low, ---, gaetan.boisson, Pushed to Stable , clear screen button misaligned 23:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7950 trivial, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Typo for preference intranetuserjs 23:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6267 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , custom http user-agent in check-url.pl (fix for books.google.com 401 error) 23:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7726 trivial, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , AllowItemsOnHoldCheckout has columns in wrong order in sysprefs.sql 23:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1577 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , installer and language 23:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3969 major, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Budget Search Doesn't Work 23:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6931 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , hardcoded insert incompatible with UNIMARC 23:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6496 major, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, robin, Pushed to Master , authors appearing incorrectly in OPAC and Staff Client 23:04 rangi wow i have no recollection of bug 6931 23:05 cait it was very old 23:05 cait fix to an old updatedatabase 23:05 rangi maybe i write patches when im asleep 23:06 cait maybe 23:36 drojf seems like domingo is still searching the kobli git repository :( 23:36 rangi hmm? 23:37 rangi oh no answer to jareds email? 23:37 drojf he announced 1.8 on the main list. jared asked for the repos because the developer links on their site are broken 23:37 rangi yeah 23:37 drojf exactly 23:38 rangi i found this 23:38 rangi http://developer.berlios.de/projects/kobli/ 23:38 rangi http://git.berlios.de/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=kobli;a=summary 23:38 rangi but its old 23:39 rangi i did pull their marc update out of the tarball and made it into a patch tho 23:39 rangi bug 5858 23:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5858 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Default frameworks missing many MARC21 tags 23:39 drojf nice! 23:41 drojf still i think it's sad that he can announce on the list and not even answer. not to say anything about taking all things koha and not caring about offering own developments back 23:42 rangi yep, hopefully they will come around