Time  Nick         Message
22:28 drojf        good night #koha
21:54 * jcamins    will grant it's kind of a scary message.
21:54 jcamins      Well, other than the commit message.
21:54 jcamins      wizzyrea: awww. It's not that scary!
21:54 * wizzyrea   is feeling signoff shy
21:50 kathryn      jcamins : ) encouragement accepted!
21:49 rangi        i might get a chance tonight, hopefully someone beats me to it
21:49 rangi        ah right
21:48 jcamins      No, the paranoid sysadmin in me made it so that you have to enable the feature in koha-conf.xml.
21:48 rangi        db changes eh?
21:48 jcamins      rangi: no.
21:48 rangi        is it sandbox testable?
21:47 jcamins      ^^ the same goes for everyone.
21:47 rangi        heh
21:47 jcamins      kathryn: or yours! I in no way intended to imply you weren't permitted to sign off!
21:47 jcamins      rangi: or yours.
21:47 rangi        yay!
21:46 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8268 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Koha should offer way to backup entire db
21:46 jcamins      :D
21:46 jcamins      wizzyrea: bug 8268 is ready for your sign off!
21:40 cait         night :)
21:13 cait         back too :)
21:12 rangi        hi mtj
21:11 mtj          morning #koha
20:31 rangi        back
20:23 kathryn      hey jcamins that's pretty awesome
20:22 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8268 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Koha should offer way to backup entire db
20:22 jcamins      I have an initial implementation for bug 8268!
20:22 jcamins      Yay!
20:19 cait         brb
20:19 cait         only joking of course :)
20:18 kathryn      hehe
20:18 cait         haven't met you yet ;)
20:18 bag          I am not stink cheese ;)
20:18 cait         ... found out the hard way
20:17 kathryn      oh true, i can confirm there was no dairy in it
20:17 cait         forever
20:17 cait         cream makes your bag stink cheesy
20:17 kathryn      Hi bag :)
20:17 cait         well, at least it was not cream
20:17 kathryn      yech!
20:17 bag          oh no
20:17 cait         oh no :(
20:17 kathryn      hiya cait. I just finished cleaning chicken soup out of my bag :S
20:17 cait         hi querty
20:16 cait         morning kathryn
20:06 rangi        Ok my stop bbiab
19:55 rangi        Good idea
19:54 * jcamins    may start doing that while developing.
19:54 jcamins      Hm.
19:53 rangi        Strict mode
19:53 rangi        jcamins you can make it do that
19:52 rangi        Koha iti
19:52 rangi        Iti is small
19:51 cait         a small gift?
19:51 drojf        i mean in maori ;)
19:51 mbalmer      kohalino
19:51 mbalmer      koha.i
19:50 drojf        rangi: is there a diminutive of koha?
19:50 mbalmer      missspelled
19:50 jcamins      [% dbfile %] won't say "hey you idiot, the variable is misspelled!"
19:49 jcamins      Oh, silly autovivification.
19:49 wizzyrea     or hard-ish
19:49 wizzyrea     yes, please double check that fines dev, functional testing is going to be hard.
19:48 rangi        Heya drojf
19:47 drojf        hi cait
19:47 * cait       waves at drojf
19:47 drojf        good morning rangi
19:46 rangi        Should be the same arrayref.$i
19:45 jcamins      rangi: I can make them work with arrays of hashes, but not so much with arrays of strings.
19:45 cait         :P
19:45 cait         sorry :)
19:45 cait         use a loop!
19:45 rangi        Or you could do a while loop
19:44 rangi        For loop
19:43 jcamins      Afternoon, cait.
19:43 jcamins      Drat. I can't figure out how to iterate through a regular array in T::T.
19:41 mbalmer      I am really interested in strange MARC records to stress test the marc datatype in PostgreSQL
19:41 cait         evening jared
19:41 cait         searching in hebrew works too, but bit more difficult to do :)
19:40 jcamins      If vaguely non-standard compliant records qualify, any Arabic record in NYU's catalog should do.
19:39 cait         search for something like dvd
19:39 cait         if hebrew is interesting you could download a few records from hfjs.bsz-bw.de
19:39 cait         I can point you to some interesting ones
19:39 cait         mbalmer: remind me tomorrow maybe?
19:37 mbalmer      different languages etc.
19:37 drojf        more than normal i mean
19:37 drojf        what would make a MARC file strange or complicated?
19:36 mbalmer      if you have strange or complicated MARC files, I am interested. in getting a copy...
19:19 jcamins      (to the stovetop)
19:17 * jcamins    prefers baking bread in the oven.
19:12 rangi        Ok. Gotta feed kids bbiab
19:11 rangi        So it does nice string comparisons
19:10 rangi        U might want to specify cmp
19:10 rangi        Should work
19:07 jcamins      rangi: just strings.
19:07 rangi        Depends what's in the array jcamins
19:06 rangi        Hmm fortunately even
19:06 rangi        Yeah but unfortunately can just run sql updates to change them tcohen
19:06 jcamins      (and have it work!)
19:05 jcamins      Is it possible to do @array = sort @array?
19:05 tcohen       the thing is, due dates are calculated on checkout
19:04 rangi        Not easy to test
19:04 rangi        And try with different date format sysprefs
19:03 rangi        And run the cronjob
19:03 rangi        Then mark today a holiday
19:02 rangi        I think would have to insert some lines in issues that would cause a fine today
19:01 rangi        *nod*
19:01 tcohen       how
19:01 tcohen       i'm trying to imagine haw to test it
18:59 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8110 blocker, P1 - high, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , Fines accruing on closed days
18:59 rangi        tcohen: I haven't tested the fix for bug 8110 yet but my fear is by fixing it for us style dates its now broken for others.  I'm most likely wrong
18:57 wahanui      Morning is probably a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
18:57 rangi        Morning
18:33 tcohen       quassel irc client malfinction
18:33 tcohen       this is weird, i've changed to 'tomascohen' in the UI so it shows 'tcohen' in the IRC
18:32 jcamins      ;)
18:32 * jcamins    was confused.
18:31 jcamins      What's with the new nick?
18:31 jcamins      tomascohen++
18:31 jcamins      tcohen++
18:31 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8110 blocker, P1 - high, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , Fines accruing on closed days
18:31 * tomascohen is preparing the field to test patches for bug 8110
18:26 koha_pune    good night guys
18:26 koha_pune    ur query is perfect ;)
18:25 koha_pune    thanks wizzyrea
18:25 koha_pune    it worked ;)
18:25 koha_pune    thanks man
18:25 koha_pune    jcamins
18:19 jcamins      Neo = Mr. Anderson. :)
18:19 * jcamins    giggles.
18:15 koha_pune    one sec
18:14 koha_pune    and confirming that CataloguingLog is on Log status
18:13 koha_pune    guys, i m Home › Administration › System Preferences
18:12 jcamins      (on the mailing list)
18:12 jcamins      *?
18:12 jcamins      Hmmm... I think that query might have something to do with pazpar2/
17:59 koha_pune    okay
17:59 wizzyrea     (no)
17:59 wizzyrea     how would it know who did it?
17:58 koha_pune    for the previous data ?
17:58 koha_pune    is there a risk ?
17:58 koha_pune    now...after enablin logs...would the data already entered will be afftected ?
17:56 drojf        on the plus side… you don't have to worry about how to get the info *hides*
17:56 wizzyrea     *shrug* that's what logging is for.
17:56 koha_pune    I havent configured it
17:56 koha_pune    hmmm...it sucks
17:56 wizzyrea     bummer. That's the only place the cataloger's ID is recorded.
17:56 koha_pune    action_logs.object are not updated at all
17:56 jcamins      koha_pune: in IRC, you can just use nick: rather than @nick
17:55 koha_pune    logging is turned off :(
17:55 huginn       koha_pune: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
17:55 koha_pune    @jcamins and wizzyre yep you both are right
17:55 wizzyrea     even better: select biblio.title, biblio.author, biblio.biblionumber from biblio left join action_logs on (biblio.biblionumber = action_logs.object) where action_logs.user='19' and module='CATALOGUING' and info = 'biblio';
17:53 wizzyrea     shows all items
17:51 wizzyrea     select biblio.title, biblio.author, biblio.biblionumber from biblio left join action_logs on (biblio.biblionumber = action_logs.object) where action_logs.user='19'; if you had logging on this would work
17:50 jcamins      ^^ if you look in the manual in the administration section, it will talk about the CataloguingLog syspref.
17:50 wahanui      somebody said manual was at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation
17:50 jcamins      manual?
17:50 koha_pune    how to turn it on ?
17:50 koha_pune    ohh is it
17:50 jcamins      koha_pune: that means you don't have logging turned on.
17:50 koha_pune    i got No log found for Bibliographic Record .
17:50 koha_pune    the second tought didnt work too :(
17:47 koha_pune    already tried the above query but not filtering borrowernumber
17:46 wizzyrea     that will give you a list of biblionumbers
17:46 koha_pune    hi wizzyrea
17:46 wizzyrea     info "biblio"
17:45 wizzyrea     put the librarian's borrowernumber in "librarian", module "catalog," action "add:
17:44 wizzyrea     tools -> log viewer
17:44 wizzyrea     wait can't you do this through the logging interface?
17:42 wizzyrea     oh never mind. not exactly what you are looking for
17:41 wizzyrea     did you try this one? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library#Titles_added_by_cataloger_2
17:39 koha_pune    I I want a list of all books cataloged by a particular user
17:39 koha_pune    hi all
17:32 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7894 blocker, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Broken detail page for first link on page 2 from search result page in OPAC
17:32 jcamins      Bug 7894.
17:32 jcamins      There was a bug to do with the first result on the second page of OPAC search results.
17:18 drojf        unfortunately we are only #2 without disambiguation. doesn't make any sense
17:18 * drojf      likes http://duckduckgo.com/Koha_(software)
17:15 wizzyrea     so that's a positive recovery.
17:14 wizzyrea     of course, that's *after* they nuked us out of the results completely.
17:14 wizzyrea     we used to be 5-6
17:14 wizzyrea     that's better than it was before the relevancy changes
17:14 * wizzyrea   cheers
17:13 jcamins      My tests agree.
17:13 wizzyrea     in my tests it's #2
17:12 wizzyrea     my tests indicate so but google knows what I'm looking for
17:12 jcamins      drojf: it's a security feature.
17:12 wizzyrea     google koha - are we ranked again?
17:12 drojf        jcamins: the host is debian
17:12 wizzyrea     oh, quick check
17:10 jcamins      drojf: you have a real OS for the host?
17:08 drojf        wizzyrea: yes network does not work at all here. it is supposed to be that way, just strange that i cannot change it back :D
17:07 * wizzyrea   guesses you have undefined DNS on your VM
17:07 drojf        i get the same response regardless of what i write. default servers are not available, server unknown, address 127.0.0.1
17:07 * wizzyrea   runs around shouting "I'm helping!"
17:07 jcamins      wizzyrea: silly me, I thought when I looked for nslookup on Microsoft's site, I'd get instructions for something other than Windows 7.
17:06 wizzyrea     >.> yw
17:06 jcamins      wizzyrea: thanks.
17:06 * wizzyrea   consults the manual
17:06 wizzyrea     jcamins http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/nslookup.mspx?mfr=true
17:05 jcamins      drojf: well, you can just try to resolve localhost. I'm just trying to make sure that the command I'm giving is at least somewhat correct.
17:04 drojf        jcamins: network bridging seems not to work with the vm anymore. i disabled that at some point because i wanted xp not to phone home. but it doesn't work now that it is enabled anyway
16:55 jcamins      eythian: well, yeah.
16:54 eythian      except that it forces a reconnect
16:54 drojf        heh
16:54 jcamins      That's awesome!
16:54 jcamins      Whoah!
16:54 wahanui      google.com is 74.125.227.142
16:54 eythian      nslookup google.com
16:53 wahanui      I can't find that machine name
16:53 jcamins      drojf: nslookup localhost?
16:53 jcamins      drojf: ah.
16:53 drojf        maybe, but the machine has no internet :D
16:53 jcamins      IP address, specifically.
16:53 jcamins      drojf: does the command `nslookup demo.cplibraries.com` return useful information?
16:52 wajasu       when building the deb packages, i did:  pbuilder create --othermiror 'deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main' --mirror http://ftp.debian.org/debian
16:52 eythian      fair enough
16:52 jcamins      *not-computer literate user
16:52 jcamins      eythian: I think so too, but instructing a non-computer illiterate to use nslookup means I have to be sure of the command.
16:52 drojf        yes it does
16:51 eythian      jcamins: I think that it does
16:51 drojf        it says it has some problem but starts up. wait a minute
16:50 jcamins      *if
16:50 jcamins      drojf: I'm trying to figure out with XP has nslookup.
16:50 drojf        i have a virtual machine with xp. i think it still works
16:49 jcamins      If you PM me, I will not out you.
16:49 drojf        lol
16:49 jcamins      eythian: yes, that would help too.
16:49 eythian      And will admit to it?
16:49 jcamins      Preferably XP?
16:49 jcamins      Is anyone around who is running Windows?
16:43 wizzyrea     (the test plan indeed came back correct)
16:42 wizzyrea     I signed off of it, however, I'd like to see a signoff with a positive functional test.
16:40 koha_pune    SELECT biblio.title, biblio.author FROM action_logs  WHERE module='CATALOGUING' AND user=<<Borrower number>> AND info!='item' AND action='ADD'
16:40 koha_pune    here is my query
16:40 koha_pune    we shall join it with biblio table but on which base of PK, FK
16:39 koha_pune    not returning data as the table action_logs dont have title and author
16:38 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8110 blocker, P1 - high, ---, savitra.sirohi, Needs Signoff , Fines accruing on closed days
16:38 nengard      can anyone test bug 8110 so that we can get that very important fix in to 3.8.2 (hopefully)
16:36 koha_pune    k
16:36 jcamins      koha_pune: instead of selecting COUNT(whatever) select "biblio.title, biblio.author"
16:35 koha_pune    right ?
16:35 koha_pune    the other should give me the title, author
16:35 koha_pune    the one give me count => this one I knew
16:35 koha_pune    hey there is 2 Titles added by cataloger
16:35 huginn       koha_pune: I suck
16:35 koha_pune    @jcamins
16:34 jcamins      Hehe.
16:33 eythian      http://youtu.be/mk7VWcuVOf0 <-- jcamins
16:33 drojf        oh-oh getting really dark. nice that this starts now AFTER i took a long walk in the sun :)
16:33 kf           bye all!
16:33 kf           time to go to a biergarten ;)
16:32 drojf        lol eythian
16:32 * jcamins    is not entirely sure whether you are joking or not about the plaid warning, because unfortunately that does sound like something a government would come up with.
16:31 eythian      Just wait until you have a plaid warning
16:29 drojf        i did not know there is a violet stage after the red stage for storm warnings. but we have one now
16:29 jcamins      You're welcome. I just needed to understand what you wanted to do. :)
16:27 koha_pune    thanks
16:27 koha_pune    i m tryin now
16:26 koha_pune    that helped me ;)
16:26 koha_pune    okay jcamins
16:25 jcamins      Note that you do have to have the cataloguing log turned on.
16:24 koha_pune    lookin at it
16:24 koha_pune    thanks
16:24 jcamins      http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library#Titles_added_by_cataloger
16:24 koha_pune    oh sorry ffor the misunderstaning
16:24 jcamins      Okay, that's a very different question from what you asked originally. :)
16:24 koha_pune    => I want a list of all books cataloged by a particular user?
16:23 koha_pune    yes
16:23 koha_pune    now I want to fetch the title and author
16:23 jcamins      So you want a list of all books cataloged by a particular user?
16:23 jcamins      You've mentioned borrowernumber, but that has nothing to do with biblio records, really. But I presume you don't just want a list of all titles and authors.
16:23 koha_pune    assume that I m borrower 1 who r cataloing 10 entry per day
16:22 jcamins      That information is in biblio. It is easy to get that out. The question you have to ask now is which records would you like the author and title of?
16:22 koha_pune    we can get it - right
16:22 koha_pune    and after joining with biblio and biblioitems
16:22 koha_pune    I know that
16:22 jcamins      *items
16:22 jcamins      koha_pune: there is no title and author information associated with titems.
16:21 koha_pune    under table items joined with bbiab
16:21 wizzyrea     bbiab
16:20 jcamins      Title and author of *what*?
16:20 koha_pune    to the table
16:20 koha_pune    I fired the query given on wiki
16:20 koha_pune    and as u advised
16:20 koha_pune    title and author only
16:20 koha_pune    lets make it simple
16:20 koha_pune    data like
16:20 koha_pune    now my 3  guys
16:20 jcamins      koha_pune: what data do you want?
16:20 koha_pune    btw issues and items
16:19 koha_pune    I saw the PK and FK maitain
16:19 koha_pune    related to borrowers and items
16:19 koha_pune    the aim is to get data
16:19 koha_pune    and issues are not reflecting the same
16:19 wahanui      "What are you trying to do?"  "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?"
16:19 wizzyrea     the first question?
16:19 koha_pune    almost 100entries per day per user
16:18 koha_pune    3 people r cataloging
16:18 jcamins      Items = physical books in a collection.
16:18 koha_pune    however in my case
16:18 koha_pune    right
16:18 koha_pune    yep
16:18 koha_pune    why it would be ?
16:18 jcamins      Borrowers = people who borrow books (or catalog them)
16:18 jcamins      koha_pune: there is no relationship between items and borrowers.
16:18 drojf        how should there be a situation like this without issues?
16:18 drojf        "title, author from items table  where borrower number is = 1"
16:18 koha_pune    and not related to issues...
16:18 koha_pune    related to items and borrowers
16:18 koha_pune    the idea is to get data
16:17 koha_pune    there can be no issues always in some situation
16:17 drojf        heh
16:17 koha_pune    I m not talkin about having issues...
16:17 jcamins      No, if you don't have any issues, you don't have any issues.
16:17 koha_pune    ???
16:17 koha_pune    any workaround to that
16:17 koha_pune    what if there is no data maintained in the issues table ?
16:16 koha_pune    now the question would be
16:16 koha_pune    guys, in the section 'List of all items currently borrowed from another library' we can see that they join PK and FK from table 'issues'
16:15 drojf        thunderstorm coming up
16:15 huginn       drojf: The current temperature in Berlin, Germany is 33.2°C (6:00 PM CEST on June 18, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 20%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Falling).
16:15 drojf        @wunder berlin, germany
16:14 koha_pune    okay...lets have a look
16:14 jcamins      ^^ you should look there
16:14 wahanui      it has been said that sql reports library is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library
16:14 jcamins      sql reports library?
16:13 koha_pune    hello all, I wanna fetch title, author from items table  where borrower number is = 1 however I am not able to see any relationship btw items and borrowes table... I saw some forums joining table issues, statistics however no data maitained in those tables... any tips
16:13 huginn       kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 30.0°C (6:00 PM CEST on June 18, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 21%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Falling).
16:13 kf           @wunder Konstanz
16:09 eythian      yep
16:09 kf           eythian: are you still working?
15:55 wajasu       i had to build with the fakeroot in /tmp i think.   let me try again.
15:54 neo_         now i am going to implement in the production server
15:53 neo_         yes jcamins ,  with your help of course
15:52 jcamins      neo++
15:52 jcamins      neo_: I'm impressed that you got Koha working under CentOS in the first place!
15:52 wajasu       but i bumped my VM to 5G.
15:52 neo_         that is a working config for koha ssl
15:51 pastebot     "neo_" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Working SSL configuration for Koha on CentOS 6.2" (232 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/2
15:51 wajasu       i hadn't done the no password thing yet.
15:50 eythian      (for my dev environment)
15:50 eythian      oh, I also add nopasswd:
15:50 eythian      yeah, I do the sudo thing too
15:49 wajasu       i ran as koha user
15:49 wajasu       i added koha ALL=(ALL) ALL    just under the one for root in /etc/sudoers and things ran through.  To get some root capability
15:49 jcamins      Apparently wajasu managed to do it on his system, though.
15:48 eythian      that's why pdebuild is handy, it uses a chroot to build in.
15:48 eythian      I can't run it on NFS, for example
15:48 jcamins      eythian: yeah, we discovered that.
15:48 eythian      fakeroot has issues when mounted over some network filesystems
15:47 jcamins      I guess that means you're not sure what it was? :)
15:47 wajasu       i must have
15:47 jcamins      Did you find a way to deal with the fakeroot?
15:46 wajasu       i was able to build the koha-common deb package too.
15:44 wajasu       so whn i change the branch on my hostOS (or separate VM in your case), i can skip through patch environments.
15:43 wajasu       i used -oidmap=user,uid=1000,Ciphers=arcfour
15:42 mtj          jcamins: yep, thats the one :)
15:41 jcamins      mtj: I have /home on a separate virtual disk.
15:41 wajasu       i put a colorized bash prompt for git, and it tells me if i have changed things in my branch, and reports the brnch i am in.
15:41 mtj          i was getting lots of 'VM disk is too small' errors too
15:40 wajasu       ok. we have quorum.
15:40 wajasu       i did a perl Makefile.PL dev environemnt with no problem from my VM.
15:40 mtj          yeah, its how i'm doing it too...
15:39 jcamins      wajasu: yeah, I've been thinking I might adopt that method, too.
15:38 wajasu       i am able to use sshfs from debian to mount my host OS koha git clone.  so i patch/code in my host with all my tools, and run the koha web app in dev mode no problem.
15:30 pastebot     "neo_" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "https error of koha" (32 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/1
15:30 wizzyrea     ooh crlh++ rangi++
15:30 neo_         i think some rewrite rule error
15:29 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8233 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , New search engine layer - introduce solr without breaking anything else
15:29 wizzyrea     bug 8233
15:29 neo_         i have encountered some error ,  trying to configure ssl for koha
15:29 wahanui      que tal, neo_
15:29 neo_         hi
15:25 * wajasu     upgraded from v3.1 to v3.8, works ok.
15:21 vfernandes   thanks hdl
15:18 hdl          vfernandes: same for UNIMARC leader btw
15:18 hdl          jcamins: vfernandes mmm no 100$a plugin for authority that I know of...
15:16 hdl          So this is a bad behaviour. And quite anoying.
15:16 hdl          the $9 gets the user to authority "0"
15:15 hdl          And then, when authorities are linked and displayed...
15:15 hdl          tcohen: the problem comes from BNF biblio records and authorities. They add $9 " 0 " in elements linked to authorities.
15:15 kf           rangi++ clrh++ :)
15:14 clrh         rangi: thanks for 8233 - so important for us :)
15:14 kf           ropuch: it's still koha, no worries .)
15:13 jcamins      ropuch: yes, one of the features in 3.8 was a redesigned staff client.
15:13 ropuch       I was little suprised by the look of intranet home page
15:13 ropuch       I've just installed 3.8 (highest version used so far was 3.4)
15:12 ropuch       Hello kf [;
15:11 jcamins      (to you... I know it makes sense to me;)
15:11 kf           ropuch: hi :)
15:11 jcamins      paul_p: that's okay. I just want to make sure that my reasoning makes sense.
15:10 paul_p       hi jcamins, nope i'm a little bit late pushing those days :\
15:08 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6557 normal, P3, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , biblioitems.totalissues unused
15:08 jcamins      paul_p: did my answer on bug 6557 clarify?
15:02 ropuch       Good morning :)
14:49 jcamins      Ah.
14:49 kf           jcamins: stories from India I think
14:48 jcamins      Uhhh... what?
14:48 wahanui      francharb falls asleep easily at sea.  Don't believe me?  Just ask Brooke.
14:48 jcamins      Or francharb.
14:48 jcamins      vfernandes: hdl would know, probably.
14:47 vfernandes   for biblio there one... but the 100$a in the authorities are completely different of the biblio :/
14:46 kf           ah, authority, I think I am confusing with bibliographic :(
14:46 kf           ?
14:46 kf           vfernandes: I thought there was one - does it not show up in the plugin list
14:45 vfernandes   thanks anyway jcamins :)
14:45 * tcohen     re-reads his previous posts, and belives he has to abandon coffee for a few days. English getting worse!
14:45 jcamins      vfernandes: no idea, sorry.
14:44 vfernandes   anyone can help me with this: there is any UNIMARC plugins for 100$a authority?
14:44 eythian      thanks vfernandes
14:44 eythian      "Other Title Information" ... sounds plausible, I'll go with that.
14:43 vfernandes   200$a title... 200$e subtitle
14:42 eythian      jcamins: yeah, 200$a is title, but I can't see an equivalent for 245$b
14:41 jcamins      eythian: 200$something
14:41 jcamins      Yay!
14:40 eythian      oh goodie, a pdf
14:40 tcohen       maybe hdl?
14:40 tcohen       yeah, i know
14:39 kf           tcohen: I asked the same question on the bug :(
14:39 wahanui      hmmm... unimarc is http://www.ifla.org/en/publications/unimarc-formats-and-related-documentation
14:39 kf           unimarc?
14:39 kf           unimarc documenation?
14:39 kf           eythian: I think maybe 200
14:39 kf           jcamins: new vb for koha dev at work :)
14:39 * wajasu     rebuild zebra index
14:39 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8071 blocker, P1 - high, ---, henridamien.laurent, Needs Signoff , link beween bib and authorities with the authid
14:38 tcohen       anyone can explain the nature of bug 8071, i'm willing to test the patch but not sure haw to do it
14:38 eythian      can anyone tell me what the UNIMARC title and subtitle fields are (245$a and $b in MARC21)
14:38 jcamins      kf: oh?
14:35 * kf         is downloading debian
14:34 * wajasu     waits as remove_items_from _biblioitems is run .........................
14:33 * wajasu     attends to his keyboard
14:32 drojf        a lot of unattended keyboards in #koha
14:32 * drojf      leaves his keyboard to see the sun :)
14:32 * magnuse    leaves his keyboard to make dinner
14:31 * jcamins    thinks that leaving one's keyboard is an excellent idea.
14:31 * dpavlin    leaves his keyboard to go to coffee with sister, sorry. BRB
14:30 dpavlin      jcamins: I agree. Will have to see what I can do wile preserving CGI compatibility
14:30 kf           dpavlin: I thnk you showed some pictures...
14:27 Viktor       Bye - see you another day. Got to go home.
14:26 jcamins      (not necessarily for every request, but for every page)
14:24 jcamins      I might be misunderstanding how it works, but I think that Plack is recreating the Context object every time it opens a new page, just like CGI.
14:23 jcamins      dpavlin: no, just check whether we need to call ->new() prior to calling it.
14:23 dpavlin      jcamins: but that would change our cgi compatibility up to some point, right?
14:22 jcamins      It seems to me that we could make Plack start up a lot more efficiently if we didn't have that horrible BEGIN { } block and ->new() getting called every time the file is used.
14:22 dpavlin      jcamins: yap. I have half-baked Koha which replaces memoize and memcache with chi variants, but that's probably not what you are asking...
14:21 vfernandes   hi Koha community... there is any UNIMARC plugins for 100$a authority?
14:21 jcamins      dpavlin: have you looked at C4::Context?
14:21 dpavlin      kf: http://blog.rot13.org/koha/koha-plack-debug.ogv is overview of development tools which are in state of flux, and not yet in upstream
14:19 drojf        dpavlin: ok, but i will write up plack on raspberry pi somewhen later, need to get some sun first.
14:18 dpavlin      kf: I don't think I had *presentation* I showed plack and performance wiki page, and all info should be there somewhere
14:18 kf           want to show my sysadmin :)
14:18 magnuse      Viktor: did you talk to people at kohacon about the digital signs?
14:18 kf           slides for plack?
14:18 kf           dpavlin: heya :)
14:17 dpavlin      drojf: You can upload attachment to wiki, I manage to insert image into performance page.
14:16 Viktor       Yep! asaurat :)
14:15 asaurat      loll
14:15 drojf        asaurat: easy for you, you did not need to learn the names of all the people from your company ;)
14:15 mbalmer      bbl..
14:14 asaurat1     you're from Sweden ?
14:14 asaurat1     (I think so)
14:14 asaurat1     I remember you, Viktor =)
14:14 Viktor       KohaCon was great - but I didn't either get to know everybody. But the group photo was a good idea. Let's med remember many names and faces.
14:12 drojf        dpavlin: http://i.imgur.com/wmIrf.png \o/
14:09 drojf        can i upload a png to the wiki?
14:04 drojf        too many new people for my little brain
14:03 drojf        no must have missed him
14:02 kf           drojf: didn't you meet viktor in edi?
14:02 drojf        Viktor: but it's probably all stuff you can do with koha, only differently i suppose?
14:01 jcamins      http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=FIXME%20NOW&sharer_id=1&list_id=33480
14:01 Viktor       I'll certainly ask them :) They have taken an interest in Koha, but I don't think they are up for throwing out their custom system just like that. They built a lot of other internal workflow into it.
14:01 jcamins      tcohen: there's a list called FIXME NOW.
14:01 tcohen       is there a list of bugs that need atention so 3.8.x becomes stable?
14:00 dpavlin      kf: I don't think I had *presentation* I showed plack and performance wiki page, and all info should be there somewhere
14:00 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8251 critical, P1 - high, ---, koha, Signed Off , Patrons are systematically debarred at checkin
14:00 tcohen       bug 8251
13:59 wahanui      confused is "Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
13:59 drojf        confused
13:59 drojf        heh
13:59 drojf        no they did not do plack there
13:59 drojf        kf: from kohacon? it is, somewhere
13:59 drojf        Viktor: tell them to use koha ;)
13:59 Viktor       It´s called "ProBib"
13:59 kf           dpavlin: is your plack presentationonline somewhere? :)
13:58 magnuse      that *does* sound like fun ;-)
13:58 Viktor       I see. We have a academic library here running a Filemaker system they built themselves here.
13:57 drojf        some selfbuilt filemaker thing that somebody made to replace the old paper catalogue years ago
13:57 Viktor       What system are you using today?
13:54 drojf        yes, our data is weirdly structured. or not structured at all :D
13:54 Viktor       The one I've done so far was easy - they had no circulation going :)
13:53 Viktor       Migration can be a pain I understand.
13:53 drojf        heh
13:53 Viktor       Sound like "fun"
13:52 drojf        we are not live yet. ugly old database to import
13:51 Viktor       How long have you been on Koha? (if you are)
13:51 Viktor       Nice :)
13:51 drojf        more the techside, like you
13:50 drojf        i work at a special library at humboldt university in berlin
13:50 Viktor       And you?
13:50 Viktor       Now I'm working with all the stuff that libraries dont have time to think about. Like control of the code.
13:49 drojf        nice :)
13:49 Viktor       Started out as nerd who became librarian.
13:49 Viktor       drojf I'm with the Regional development council in Halland (a region of Sweden)
13:48 Viktor       It struck me that I should provide you with a "we have to afford at least this or it's no go" with the signs magnuse
13:48 drojf        Viktor: are you librarian/libtechnician or vendor?
13:47 Viktor       :)
13:47 Viktor       That's good magnuse
13:47 magnuse      Viktor is doing a great job on fixing that drojf :-)
13:47 magnuse      where i used to work we worked 8am-3pm in summer (3 months) and 8am-3.45pm for the rest of the year
13:47 Viktor       drojf No sadly not, but it´s picking up speed a bit I think.
13:46 drojf        so plenty of libraries for everyone ;)
13:46 drojf        there is not much koha in sweden as of yet, right?
13:46 magnuse      hehe
13:46 Viktor       It´s cold, but your'e quite welcome to move here :)
13:45 Viktor       :)
13:45 jcamins      :)
13:45 jcamins      Right, that's it, I'm moving to Sweden!
13:45 Viktor       But I have to write some mail for magnuse first
13:45 Viktor       Yep - going home soon :)
13:43 drojf        Viktor: <4pm is evening already in sweden?
13:43 Viktor       Hi magnuse
13:43 tcohen       Cordoba, Argentina
13:42 jcamins      You?
13:42 wahanui      jcamins: I forgot you
13:42 jcamins      wahanui: forget you
13:42 wahanui      You are our ladybug cait or free to add the features you need..  just saying..
13:42 Viktor       You?
13:42 Viktor       Sweden.
13:42 tcohen       where Viktor? :-D
13:42 Viktor       :)
13:42 Viktor       (or good evening as I´d call it where i am)
13:42 magnuse      hiya tcohen and Viktor
13:41 Viktor       Morning :)
13:41 tcohen       mornin' #koha
13:29 oleonard     Back later I hope.
13:29 oleonard     Hm, okay looks like this power outage is going to outlast my UPS.
13:26 oleonard     schuster: Was there a bug in Bugzilla for it?
13:25 jcamins      (but could conceivably have been included in 3.0 but not master, I suppose)
13:23 jcamins      schuster: the feature was not in 3.2.
13:22 drojf        eythian: with tiny books on cheese
13:21 schuster     We do not use OCLC.  I thought this was working in an earlier version - Way back in 3.0 we had done development on this and I thought it had made it to general community code...
13:21 eythian      libraries for mice!
13:20 drojf        i see tiny libraries coming
13:20 * drojf      just had a loading time of ~11 seconds for the opac page on the raspberry pi with plack
13:20 jcamins      But I am in a very small minority.
13:20 jcamins      schuster: that is correct. If you are using OCLC, I prefer OCLC number.
13:19 eythian      because there's no db field for subtitle, and no way to express logic to make it look good even if there were.
13:19 schuster     But if they don't match exactly it doesn't match - 10 /13 problem.
13:18 eythian      I'm thinking of hacking a 'biblio.fulltitle' into the notices template
13:18 jcamins      schuster: lots of places use ISBN.
13:18 eythian      if you wanted to show title and subtitle in overdue notices, how would you go about it?
13:18 schuster     So what do people "match" on when loading MARC records?
13:17 jcamins      Yes it is.
13:16 schuster     Can you tell if this is a required module? Business::ISBN ? it shows when I look at PERL Dependencies, but I am not seeing that on my current install.
13:13 jcamins      Too much chance of it breaking things.
13:13 jcamins      I can tell you that won't be going into 3.6.x if it is implemented, though.
13:13 jcamins      schuster: I didn't think there was any implementation of the proposed ISBN 10/13 conversion.
13:10 schuster     Are the ISBN 10 - 13 searches working in 3. 6.5?  for some reason it is only bringing up exact and not checking for both.
13:07 magnuse      yay!
13:07 Oak          :)
13:07 Oak          magnuse
13:06 magnuse      Oak
13:00 jcamins      oleonard: I would be willing to bet that IE8 has issues with Google Books covers too, since the local cover image Javascript is shamelessly copy-and-pasted.
12:59 oleonard     nengard's screenshot looks like a javascript problem, but I don't have IE8 to test with
12:59 oleonard     FWIW, IE9 looks the same as FF, but not quite right: The local cover image with the "no cover image" box below it.
12:58 drojf        i do :)
12:58 jcamins      drojf: what? Like the way I smoothly suggested a web browser for uploading? :)
12:57 drojf        lol
12:57 jcamins      oleonard: I suggest uploading with a web browser, then testing the OPAC with IE.
12:55 jcamins      Ah.
12:55 oleonard     After clicking "upload file" IE reloads the page but doesn't show the option to say whether it's a single image, etc.
12:54 oleonard     jcamins: Uh oh, looks like that's an IE problem too.
12:52 jcamins      oleonard: why can't you upload a local cover image?
12:51 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8263 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Make OPAC stylesheet preferences more consistent
12:51 marcelr      Bug 8263 to get the number of sysprefs one down :-)
12:48 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8264 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , local cover images not working in IE8
12:48 oleonard     I was curious about Bug 8264, but find I can't test it because I can't upload a local cover image
12:38 jcamins      That's the way to do it.
12:38 jcamins      Heh.
12:34 eythian      http://www.kogan.com/au/blog/new-internet-explorer-7-tax/ <-- jcamins
12:33 kylemhall    wizzyrea: excellent!
12:25 wizzyrea     kylemhall: I may get to that today
12:21 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8110 blocker, P1 - high, ---, savitra.sirohi, Needs Signoff , Fines accruing on closed days
12:21 kylemhall    I have a couple patches for bug 8110 that need signed-off. It's a blocker level bug.
12:20 drojf        hi oleonard
12:19 oleonard     Hi #koha
12:16 drojf        jcamins: yes it should be browser agnostic and just work for everyone, in theory
12:14 jcamins      drojf: to be perfectly honest, I don't mind those clients so much... I would like Koha to work perfectly on IE.
12:14 * jcamins    still charges more.
12:14 nengard      webinar time ? be back later
12:13 drojf        damn patrons, always a hassle :D
12:13 drojf        ok that's a point
12:12 nengard      well, it is the OPAC - we make them all use FF for the staff client, but we have no control over their patrons
12:12 drojf        make them pay more to make it work in IE ;)
12:11 nengard      but I can't convince paying customers of that
12:11 jcamins      If I knew how to do it off the top of my head, I'd tell you, and you could go fix it.
12:11 nengard      I'm with you!!
12:11 drojf        nengard: i would not consider IE a browser :P
12:11 nengard      got it
12:11 jcamins      nengard: nah, I'd be happy to fix it, but local cover images was not something that I was paid to do.
12:10 nengard      as long as it's not - we won't fix it :)
12:10 nengard      well that's okay :)
12:09 jcamins      nengard: "do without, or pay me to care."
12:08 nengard      as much as I hate IE - don't we make an effort to make the OPAC work in as many browsers as possible?
12:08 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8264 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , local cover images not working in IE8
12:08 nengard      jcamins what is the solution to bug 8264 ?
12:07 neo_         yep, thank you juan_sieira and jcamins
12:03 juan_sieira  you have to generate your pem files and thats it, similar to other projects
12:03 neo_         yes
12:03 neo_         so there won't be other issues, right ?
12:03 juan_sieira  you can see a example here, it's only a virtualhost over 443: http://fer2401.net84.net/ssl
12:02 juan_sieira  neo_
12:02 jcamins      neo_: as far as I know, it's just a matter of turning on HTTPS in your VirtualHost.
12:01 Viktor       Sorry but I don´t have any experience with that. But there are lot´s of people who do know Koha really well here so I hope someone knows.
12:00 neo_         is any document regarding  running koha web over https ?
11:47 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8264 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , local cover images not working in IE8
11:47 * jcamins    supposes that his solution to bug 8264 probably won't make most IE users happy.
11:44 Viktor       Which proves (again) that the community is a huge part of Koha :)
11:43 Viktor       Thanks again!
11:42 Viktor       Yes - I think it´ll take us close to what we want to do.
11:39 Viktor       Looks very promising!
11:39 kf           there is also something on the wiki about a notice rewrite
11:39 huginn       04Bug 6858: normal, P5 - low, ---, matthias.meusburger, Pushed to Stable , Adds staticfines.pl for static fines processing
11:39 matts        http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6858
11:39 kf           heis starting to work on that, so if there is an additional requirement he might be interested
11:38 kf           I think maybe talk to libsysguy
11:38 Viktor       Ok, but still I´d guess it´s a lot easier to add that then to write the whole stuff yourself :)
11:38 kf           espresso time bbiab
11:37 kf           but I think there is nothign yet to distinguish between items that are overdue with/without holds
11:37 Viktor       Thanks kf!
11:37 kf           perhaps check bugzilla - I think it was "static fine" or something similar
11:36 kf           that might work for the rule you want independent on the number of items
11:36 kf           I think there is a script to do static fines in master now
11:36 kf           libsysguy is working on a rewrite, but I am not sure how far h eis
11:36 kf           ah fines
11:35 kf           back :)
11:33 eythian      yeah, there are a lot of moving parts
11:32 Viktor       I´ve mostly played with Python lately, but Perl should be doable I guess. But it´s a lot of learning with the whole infrastructure around Koha like server administration.
11:31 Viktor       Yes :)
11:31 Viktor       But I´ll think I´ll have to get some money together to buy the development from my vendor.
11:31 eythian      good goal :)
11:30 Viktor       I´d love to learn some Perl - and my goal is to get at least one line of code into Koha this year :)
11:30 eythian      There may also be a few simple things you can add that'll do what you need.
11:29 eythian      I think writing something general would be quite hard, but I'd still encourage you to try.
11:29 Viktor       So I might have to look into how much trouble a patch wold be I guess :)
11:29 eythian      It'd require quite an overhaul to allow the more complex stuff.
11:29 eythian      I think there's a billion different combinations that people _could_ have for fines, however most people just want the fairly simple defaults.
11:28 Viktor       Or that I´m just missing obvious things again :)
11:28 Viktor       Shame, but that is sort of what I started to think myself.
11:27 Viktor       But if there are holds on the media (still the free ones) I want to charge from day one they are overdue.
11:27 eythian      at least, without making a patch ;)
11:27 eythian      I don't think you can do that kind of thing
11:27 Viktor       Free media: After a week I want to charge 50 SEK regardless of how many items are late.
11:26 Viktor       Ok - here goes: there's two main set of rules. One set of fine rules for free media and one for paid media.
11:25 eythian      Viktor: you'll have to say what you're trying to do, some things can be done, others can't.
11:24 Viktor       Welcome Guest365
11:24 Viktor       (it´s the fees I´m having problems with)
11:23 Viktor       I'm trying to set up some rules that's not the standard "5 bucks / week and item"
11:22 Viktor       By the way - is there any other place to look for documentation of the circulation rules than the manual?
11:21 eythian      I think it may be
11:21 kf           brb
11:21 kf           eythian: that sounds not very promising... if your list is like mine :)
11:21 eythian      kf: I'll add it to my queue of Things to Do
11:20 Viktor       Nice to hear you did'nt miss the whole thing at least.
11:20 kf           ah, it was ok, the first day was not so good, after that mostly ok
11:19 Viktor       Anything new? Did you get well for the hackfest?
11:19 Viktor       :)
11:19 kf           and so you do, glad to see you here :)
11:19 Viktor       I said I´d try to get a little more involved on the IRC :)
11:19 kf           ah, phew, for a second I wondered if I you are the Viktor from Sweden :)
11:18 Viktor       Hi Katrin! Nice to see you
11:18 * kf         = Katrin
11:18 kf           hi Viktor! :)
11:18 * kf         volunteers eythian to write a patch :P
11:18 eythian      I didn't know what that was talking about
11:18 eythian      yeah
11:17 kf           there is something mentioned aobut hardcoded library types or something
11:17 kf           the description for the sample libraries is wrong too
11:17 kf           wrong description maybe?
11:16 * eythian    notes that when going through the web installer, there are two parts that claim to give you some Z39.50 servers.
11:05 Oak          never mind. will annoy later.
11:04 wahanui      but why are you even looking at backports?
11:04 Oak          um, but why?
11:03 kf           hiding from google
11:03 Oak          ah
11:03 kf           not in the logs :)
11:02 Oak          off topic?
11:01 Oak          sure... will do. what does [off] mean?
11:01 kf           [off] http://swop.bsz-bw.de/volltexte/2012/995/
11:00 kf           maybe check some of the english speaking companies too?
10:59 Oak          i meant german is fine, i'd like to see them. kf,
10:52 Oak          or email...
10:52 Oak          that's okay. link please?
10:51 kf           we do,... but they are german :)
10:51 Oak          kf, does your employer make koha brochures  for clients? I need to see some Koha brochures...
10:49 Oak          hello kf :)
10:48 kf           hi Oak
10:48 Oak          Ahoy me hearties
10:47 kf           lol
10:38 mtj          heh, yeah - that was a bit creepy :p
10:36 eythian      how creepy :)
10:36 mtj          yes, it's nothing without your smiley little face :)
10:34 eythian      Is hashigo feeling a bit too empty?
10:34 mtj          i miss eythian already... :(
10:34 magnuse      hehe
10:33 eythian      not if I can help it :)
10:32 mtj          eythian:  is there anywhere you *aren't* going in the next 2 months? :p
10:32 eythian      hush
10:32 drojf        if summer will last that long…
10:31 eythian      over the course of the next two months
10:31 drojf        when? :P
10:31 eythian      also going there...
10:31 huginn       eythian: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 28.0°C (12:00 PM CEST on June 18, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 28%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
10:31 eythian      @wunder marseille
10:31 eythian      magnuse: konstanz also looked pretty good, and I'll be going there.
10:31 drojf        so i did not miss this year's week of summer :)
10:31 magnuse      there's your summer, eythian
10:30 huginn       drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 26.6°C (12:13 PM CEST on June 18, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
10:30 drojf        @wunder berlin, germany
10:29 magnuse      cool
10:25 eythian      http://act.yapc.eu/ye2012/ <-- magnuse, I am hoping to make this though
10:24 eythian      However, the timing is a little bad for me
10:23 eythian      magnuse: I did.
10:23 magnuse      s/sis/did/
10:23 magnuse      eythian: sis you see this? http://act.yapc.eu/mtmh2012/index.html
10:19 magnuse      eythian: yay!
10:18 lamiette     hi kf
10:18 eythian      magnuse: that's my plan ;)
10:18 eythian      kf: it's pretty good
10:18 kf           hi lamiette :)
10:17 lamiette     hey, Brighton does get sunny and awesome! we've had summer #1 (back in May) and we'll have summer #2 in aug/sept :)
10:17 kf           and now he is not talking to us... ts.
10:17 kf           heh
10:16 * magnuse    imagines eythian scooting around europe, searching for summer
10:16 kf           eythian: how is work in brighton? )
10:15 kf           and sunny, you are just in the wrong place!
10:15 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 11.0°C (11:50 AM CEST on June 18, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
10:15 magnuse      @wunder boo
10:15 kf           it's warm here :)
10:15 kf           heh
10:13 eythian      that's not summer!
10:12 huginn       eythian: The current temperature in Brighton, Brighton, United Kingdom is 14.3°C (11:00 AM BST on June 18, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
10:12 eythian      @wunder brighton, uk
10:12 huginn       eythian: Error: No such location could be found.
10:12 eythian      @wunder brighton
10:10 huginn       kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 24.0°C (12:00 PM CEST on June 18, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
10:10 kf           @wunder Konstanz
09:16 whois        the OPAC we translate all, here you see: tinphu.no-ip.info
09:14 kf           there were mails to the mailing list
09:14 kf           someone recently started translation
09:14 drojf        from the 2% translation i would say no
09:11 drojf        is there a support company that covers vietnam?
09:10 kf           we can't guide you step by step to all configuration
09:10 kf           whois: sorry, but your eally have to start with some of the documentation
09:10 whois        You can visit my administration: tinphu.no-ip.info: 8080
09:07 wahanui      documentation is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/
09:07 kf           documentation?
09:07 kf           also manual?
09:07 kf           and check the help pages for the sides, there is a ? in the top corner
09:07 kf           whois: I think easiest is starting on the administration page, work down from top to bottom
09:05 whois        one can not fail, helps me with
08:59 whois        hope you help me with the most concise way
08:59 whois        document the flow of koha 3.8.0 I do not understand
08:59 whois        I am a Vietnam
08:40 drojf1       whois: have you looked at the documentation?
08:40 whois        please guide me how to configure for a book in circulation and can place hold?
08:40 drojf1       ah just got a new ip
08:39 drojf1       network fun again
08:39 drojf1       hm
08:38 mveron       Wat leuk :-)
08:38 kf           oh...only 1123 mails without mailing lists in my inbox
08:38 kf           nice!
08:38 kf           :)
08:38 drojf        yeah
08:37 marcelr      german or dutch
08:37 drojf        hi marcelr
08:37 mveron       hi kf and drojf and marcelr
08:37 drojf        wow a wave of german speakers
08:37 marcelr      hi mveron
08:36 kf           hi marcelr :)
08:36 drojf        hi mveron
08:36 marcelr      hi drojf kf
08:36 kf           hi mveron :)
08:36 kf           hi drojf :)
08:36 drojf        hi kf :)
08:36 kf           hi #koha
08:36 drojf        good day #koha
08:33 eythian      whois: I can't right now, I have a big pile of work to catch up on. However, I'd suggest reviewing your circulation rules relating to holds, that's what the problem is 99% of the time.
08:32 wahanui      hola, eythian
08:32 eythian      hello wahanui
08:32 whois        to eythian: you can login and test: tinphu.no-ip.info
08:31 eythian      often it's things like not having set a maximum number, so it defaults to 0 in the circulation rules.
08:31 eythian      whois: that probably means you don't have the correct holds rules
08:27 whois        while the book was available for loan
08:26 whois        Sorry, none of these items can be placed on hold.
08:25 whois        please help me?
08:25 whois        hi all
07:50 marcelr      thx
07:50 marcelr      it was a selinux error; wrong label on library file
07:50 hdl          marcelr: apt-get install libtext-unaccent-perl ?
07:43 marcelr      yes, someone else thought differently ;)
07:43 hdl          But that's me.
07:42 hdl          I would rather use Text::Undiacritic.
07:41 * marcelr    and Can't load '/usr/local/lib64/perl5/auto/Text/Unaccent/Unaccent.so' for module Text::Unaccent: /usr/local/lib64/perl5/auto/Text/Unaccent/Unaccent.so: failed to map segment from shared object
07:32 * marcelr    looking at Can't locate Text/Unaccent.pm in @INC
07:31 mtj          thats some good news!
07:30 mtj          looks like postgres has some cjk support with tsearch2
07:29 mbalmer      gotta run, bbl...
07:28 mbalmer      in german it also means creautzdel-jakob disease...
07:28 mbalmer      ah, chinese and so on.
07:27 mtj          go on... google it ;)
07:27 mbalmer      CJK packages?
07:25 mtj          bonjour biblibrians
07:23 mtj          ... and i would be extremely happy to be proved incorrect, too
07:21 paul_p       good morning #koha
07:20 mtj          mbalmer:  the big advantage with solr over... well everything really... is it's many CJK packages
07:19 mtj          hiya clrh
07:18 clrh         hello
07:13 sophie_m     hi #koha
06:59 gaetan_B     hello !
06:56 julian_m     hello
06:51 reiveune     salut marc :)
06:51 mbalmer      bonjour reiveune!
06:50 reiveune     hello
06:47 mbalmer      say no more, say no more, ....
06:46 magnuse      we live in interesting times ;-)
06:43 mbalmer      but no one knows yet a) if it works, and b) if it is fast, and c) if it is flexible enough
06:42 magnuse      ah, got it
06:42 mbalmer      using an SQL database with support functions for bibliographic data.
06:41 magnuse      ah, got a concrete indexer in mind?
06:40 mbalmer      but as I said, I don't know if it will work.
06:40 mbalmer      well, if it works, a less ressource hungry indexer that does not need java and indexes automatically
06:39 magnuse      what would the third choice be?
06:38 mbalmer      me and some others hope that there will be a third choice, but we are still waiting for the proof of concept.
06:37 mbalmer      magnuse, it's indeed somewhat superseeeded by 8233
06:37 cait         because we decided not to switch, but have multiple options
06:36 cait         maybe not up to date any longer
06:36 cait         hm
06:36 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5360 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, NEW , From Zebra to solR
06:36 magnuse      guess bug 5360 could/should be marked as a duplicate of 8233?
06:36 cait         bbl
06:36 cait         work time
06:36 cait         ok
06:35 mbalmer      I put me on the CC list of that bug, thanks for pointing me at it
06:35 cait         I only wanted to point out, that there is already an implementation to look at
06:34 mbalmer      yes.
06:34 cait         mbalmer: not talking about using it, but you can study the nterface
06:34 alex_a       bonjour
06:34 mbalmer      cait, I don't want to run Solr yet
06:34 cait         magnuse: ts, now you were just a second faster than me :)
06:34 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8233 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , New search engine layer - introduce solr without breaking anything else
06:34 magnuse      bug 8233
06:34 magnuse      bug8233
06:33 mbalmer      well, with a well defined interface from Koha to *A* search engine, it should be well possible to change or add indexers
06:33 cait         mbalmer: you might want to look up the bug, rangi signed off on it and it maybe pushed soon (I hope it will)
06:33 mbalmer      yes, that makes sense.
06:32 magnuse      nope, not replacing zebra
06:32 mbalmer      but the interface seems to be well-defined at first sight
06:32 cait         I think the goal is to let you choose your monster :)
06:31 mbalmer      replacing a zebra with a monster … ;P
06:30 cait         http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Switch_to_Solr_RFC
06:29 cait         and there is a bug now with a poc for solr
06:29 cait         http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Solr/Lucene_Documentation
06:28 cait         I think there is a page about solr on the wiki
06:28 mbalmer      is the koha interface to the indexer(s) documented?  i.e. how Zebra or Solr is plugged into Koha?
06:27 marcelr      :-)
06:26 cait         morning marcelr :)
06:25 marcelr      hi koha
06:23 francharb    morning #koha
06:23 francharb    morning cait
06:22 cait         :)
06:22 cait         morning francharb
06:17 mbalmer      morning cait, koha
06:17 cait         morning mbalmer
06:12 cait         :)
06:08 matts        hi cait !
06:07 cait         morning matts
05:57 cait         :)
05:56 mtj          its easily the best thing for the job, atm
05:55 mtj          owen is a wise man! :)
05:55 cait         I think oleonard was talking abou tbootstrap to replace yui grid
05:54 mtj          and a bunch of additional bootstrap themes, too -> http://bootswatch.com/
05:53 mtj          -> http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/index.html
05:53 mtj          twitter's bookstrap =  Koha's next gui framework? :)
04:56 mtj          whois: ok!
04:24 whois        please help me!
04:23 whois        hi all