Time Nick Message 23:57 jcamins_away cait-m_! What are you doing up?!? 23:34 mtj atmanning: can you paste a winnebago marc record please? -> http://paste.koha-community.org/ 23:31 mtj ah, gotcha :) 23:24 jcamins_away CSV profiles? Look in the administration section. 23:24 wahanui mtompset: I forgot that 23:24 mtompset wahanui forget that 23:23 wahanui well, that is maybe broken 23:23 mtj hmm, what is that? 23:23 jcamins_away mtj: I was thinking maybe we should be able to import using the CSV profiles feature. 23:23 mtj (as atmanning has just demonstrated to us) 23:23 jcamins_away mtj: agreed. 23:22 mtj see - a general koha2marc.pl script would help newcomers to koha solve a big problem.... 23:22 jcamins_away mtj: that's what I find, yeah. 23:21 mtj jcamins_away: more flexible than the csv2marc.pl script...? 23:13 mtompset What's being discussed? 23:11 mtj $ marc2koha.pl --mapping-file=dynix.yaml --input=dynix.mrc --output=koha.mrc 23:11 jcamins_away mtj: I prefer druthb's scripts... they're a lot more flexible. 23:10 mtj catalyst's csv2marc.pl would be a great start, then add some feature to create a new mapping via a yaml file? 23:06 mtompset Hello, #koha. :) 23:05 mtj jcamins_away: nice! 23:03 wajasu good to know there is another solution 23:03 wajasu yeah. i coded it in java 3 years ago. it read all the records into a hsql database, and allowed sql queries and matched to z3950 servers, and other smarts like utf8 normalization. 23:02 wahanui druthb's migration toolbox is, like, amazing or https://www.gitorious.org/koha-toolbox/ 23:02 jcamins_away druthb's migration toolbox? 23:01 wahanui okay, jcamins_away. 23:01 jcamins_away druthb's migration toolbox is also https://www.gitorious.org/koha-toolbox/ 23:01 jcamins_away druthb's migration toolbox is amazing 23:01 jcamins_away druthb's migration toolbox? 23:00 mtj etc... 23:00 mtj $ marc2koha.pl --source-format=dynix --input=winny.mrc --output=koha.mrc 22:59 mtj $ marc2koha.pl --source-format=winnebago --input=winny.mrc --output=koha.mrc 22:58 mtj youknow... a really nice project would be marc2koha.pl script - that converted many other ILS marc records to koha's $952 format 22:58 wajasu what about bulkmarcimport.pl 22:57 wajasu i mean 15000 records. 22:56 wajasu it took two days to query servers for just 1500 records, since the servers seemed throttled ;) 22:55 wajasu i wrote a program in java to do this for me. i also had isbn records in my legacy library db, and queried a list of z3950 servers to get more biblio info. i'm going to have to contrib that one day. 22:55 jcamins_away atmanning: koha-rebuild-zebra will only complain if the records are corrupted, and it takes talent to import corrupt records. 22:54 mtj i use perl for that task , some people use a win32 app called marc-edit 22:53 atmanning looks like I'll have to figure out how to get the marc edit to do a search and insert 22:53 mtj nope, Koha will not auto-magically create items for your itemless marc records 22:52 atmanning now to figure out how to batch modify my marc export file... any pointers? 22:51 atmanning that sounds right ... I was hoping the import would set the item count to 1 .. 22:51 mtj yes, you need to create correct $952 info for your records *before* import into Koha 22:50 mtj your winnebago marc records dont yet contain the needed $952 item-level fields, for koha 22:49 atmanning It looks like I have to find a way to edit the MARC redords and put a 1 in the 952 tag somehow... 22:49 mtj ... if your marc records didnt import ok, then the searching or indexing of those non-existent records wont work, either :) 22:48 atmanning yes, yes, and yes but Marc results (above) show all processed but no items added - I manually added items but I would rather set the item count to 1 on all records for the import 22:47 mtj . 22:47 mtj 3) did your marc records import successfully 22:46 mtj well, and a 3rd part too... 22:44 mtj 2) did your zebraidx work successfully? 22:44 mtj 1) is your zebrasrv process running? 22:44 mtj atmanning: theres 2 basic parts to your problem... 22:40 * slef falls asleep...bbl 22:38 atmanning lack of items and lack of search results too... the koha-rebuild-zebra script didn't complain 22:37 atmanning grr.. did a report on catalog statistics - zero items.... I think I'll go back to the MARC records and check that 952 field 22:36 slef look up something with an item available in the catalogue? 22:36 slef is the problem lack of items or lack of all search resutls? 22:35 atmanning what's the best way to confirm whether items have been added to my catalog? 22:33 mtj $ koha-rebuild-zebra your-koha 22:32 atmanning those crons are there.... I'll check for logs next - thanks for the help... gotta go eat before I starve to death 22:31 mtj $ dpkg -L koha-common | grep cron.d 22:31 slef if it is the debian package, it will (should) do the INSTALL steps for you 22:30 mtj cat /etc/cron.d/koha-common 22:29 atmanning debian package via apt-get koha-commons ... looking for those crons... 22:29 mtj atmanning: cron files are in /etc/cron.d 22:28 mtj atmanning: ./INSTALL.debian 22:28 slef did you install from the debian package or the tar.gz? 22:28 slef errr 22:27 atmanning I still haven't found those instructions.... grrr... 22:27 slef there is an inglorious historical reason for it... but I think it is in the INSTALL instructions 22:26 atmanning I was afraid of that... I think I found the index thing under migration tools --- that seems like an illogical place if it supposed to run all the time 22:26 slef (I think adding an item updates 2 or maybe more tables, plus gets sent to the zebra indexing server) 22:25 slef and I am sorry but it is not as simple as a mysql query... you need items added through the Koha API somehow... and updating the MARC before import is probably the simplest 22:25 wajasu i wrote a program way back, that added one item per in the 952 prior to import, as well as set other things. 22:24 atmanning I'd like to try that zebra index thing... looking for it in /usr/share/koha/bin/?? 22:24 huginn` slef: unknown tag 952 22:24 wahanui The 952 field is used by Koha to store item data in MARC21 and is described at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Holdings_data_fields_%289xx%29 22:24 slef @marc 952 22:24 slef let me get you the layout of tag 952... then I must sleep 22:23 slef there is a sort-of standard for holdings info in tag 852 but I think it is deprecated and koha uses tag 952 anyway 22:23 atmanning did a MARC export of 900 records 22:23 slef yeah you probably need to make the Koha holdings tags 22:22 atmanning pulled them out of a working Winnebago library system. I don't have a clue about the tags. I saw some things about a MARC editor that I suppose I could read through - I'd be happy with a mysql query to update an item count somewhere... 22:21 slef blurgh, I must sleep soon, but where did the MARC records come from and do they have 952 tags? 22:21 atmanning koha-common per the wiki instructions 22:20 wajasu did you install koha-common or koha? 22:20 atmanning i followed this guide: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.8_on_Debian_Squeeze where do I find those install instructions? 22:19 wajasu there is a section in INSTALL.debian than mentions how to set it up. 22:18 atmanning nothing found under /var/spool/cron/crontab 22:18 atmanning where is the indexer found? 22:17 wajasu or if its in cron, wait until it runs? 22:17 atmanning I thought the import was supposed to add the items... does this mean my imported marc records are showing zero items? 22:17 wajasu have you run the zebra indexer? 22:16 atmanning this is a fresh install on Debian squeeze, Koha v 3.8 (koha-commons via apt-get) 22:16 atmanning can anyone point me to a faq or instructions about why I see zero items added when I import MARC records? Here's my output: Number of records added 973 Number of records updated 0 Number of records ignored 0 Number of items added 0 Number of items ignored because of duplicate barcode 0 22:09 wajasu i'm trying to align with the apache-shared stuff. (i.e. reuse the mysql/apache stuff. 22:08 slef oh right 22:07 wajasu s/no/now/ 22:07 wajasu i did successfully with a noninteractive shell script that builds a kvm image. no i am adding git dev support for patch support. 22:05 slef is there a reason you are not installing the koha-common*deb packages? 22:05 slef oh that is easily done... not too hard to fix with some chown commands... or make much worse 22:03 wajasu i always used to get in trouble with perms and zebra. we will see this time around. 22:02 slef you may be right that INSTALL assumes people create a new login for a new web app... not strictly necessary but maybe a good idea 22:01 slef well some user not used for another purpose, I think 22:00 wajasu just as quick to start again. should i be running as a " koha" user account? or such? thats what might be missing from the INSTALL instructions. 21:58 slef you can reconfigure it, but maybe it is a bad idea... 21:58 slef many webserver setups are cautious about serving from /root or /etc or /usr because they often contain sensitive files 21:58 wajasu ok 21:57 slef wajasu: check your apache configs, particularly <Directory ...> sections. You may find it easier to try again in /home somewhere. 21:57 wajasu ok. my git env is setup using /root/koha-dev and /root/kohaclone but i get forbidden! You don't have permission to access / on this server 21:48 wahanui rumour has it ah so is there no charge from ALA for the meetup 21:48 slef ah so? 21:45 wajasu tab completion was not my friend that time 21:45 wajasu my bad i symbolicly linked the wrong file. koha-conf.xml instead of koha-httpd.conf 21:37 mgeist Whoot! quitting time. Cyall on the morrow. 21:29 wajasu xpected </cql2rpn>/root/koha-dev/etc/zebradb/pqf.properties</cql2rpn> but saw </server> 21:29 wajasu apache2: Syntax error on line 230 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 32 of /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/koha: E 21:29 wajasu has anyone seen this before after perl makefile.PL, make,make test, make install, then /etc/init.d.apache2 restart --> 21:16 schuster No I didn't so ??? maybe... The install instructions though don't say anything about that and what was in the list are like 5-10 every minute. 21:12 wizzyrea maybe the extras are your backed up zebraqueue cronjobs 21:11 wizzyrea schuster did you turn off the zebraqueue cron when you did your indexing? 21:09 schuster I didn't have problems with this during my testing on 3.06.00.14... 3.06.05 has been my nemisis so far but we LOVE the features. 21:09 schuster Luckily my index of 277,000 bibs actually completed today so we can move forward with community otherwise my tail was on the line and my boss was ready to.... 21:08 schuster I thought originally it was disk, but then today I saw all of these "Zebra" fatal messages when I did ps -ef pages among pages as noted in the paste... 21:07 schuster the koha-zebradaemon-output.log has 109661 lines of warn ir_session (exception) 21:06 dpavlin and once it dies it can produce a lot of hanging processes since we run incremental update via cron. 21:06 dpavlin strange. kill all processes and hope that you won't run out of disk space again. zebra does need quite a bit of space to do full reindex... 21:05 schuster nothing but "stopping" messages which would be normal. 21:03 schuster let me check 20:51 dpavlin schuster: do you have anything useful in /var/log/koha/*/zebra-error.log ? 20:42 schuster I'm on Version 3.06.04 ... 20:41 schuster I think last night when it died I thought it was disc space, but I was only at 80% - today in watching this I had a TON of these lines... 20:40 pastebot "schuster" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Is this indicitive of a memory type leak?" (17 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/437 20:40 schuster I have a question about zebraindexing... I've been doing some work with it now for 3 days and realized today that it was spinning a bunch of lines as it "sort/merges" 20:39 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot version 20:39 wizzyrea forget version 20:39 wahanui hmmm... version is wrong 20:39 wizzyrea version. 20:39 wizzyrea and there was a bit of an outrage over lowering the versoin. 20:39 wizzyrea see, there's a version mismatch here too, but everything still works 20:39 wahanui graphicsmagick is, like, avaliable in package form for the following Operating Systems: Version 1.1.11 in Lenny, 1.3.12 in Squeeze, 1.3.5 in Sid and Ubuntu Lucid. Regarding the update message, all Koha functions still work even if you only have Version 1.1.11 20:39 wizzyrea graphicsmagick? 20:39 wizzyrea imagemagick? 20:35 wajasu i'll go that route. 20:35 dpavlin s/decreate/decrease/ 20:35 dpavlin Anyhow, I would probably decreate version to 1.20 to make squeeze happy (see git show c82d114f) 20:33 * dpavlin hm! It seems that commit message (which I got using git blame C4/Installer/PerlDependencies.pm) references wrong bug... 20:32 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Pushed to Stable , Hourly Loans 20:32 dpavlin It's hard to say. Dependecy was introduced in Bug 5549 together with bunch of others... 20:27 dpavlin http://cpansearch.perl.org/src/DROLSKY/DateTime-TimeZone-1.46/Changes doesn't list anything which I should be warried about between 1.20 and 1.26 ;-) 20:27 wizzyrea typo maybe? 20:27 wizzyrea yea, same 20:26 dpavlin I'm running on squeeze using DateTime::TimeZone 1.20 20:26 wajasu i just wonder what repo has version 1.26 and why my git -b my381 v3.08.01 working branch requires it to build. 20:21 wajasu yeah 20:21 wizzyrea oh nm you said it's got a version mismatch 20:20 wizzyrea you can't apt-get install libdatetime-timezone-perl 20:20 wajasu squuze-dev is technically pre wheezy i think. 20:19 wajasu or should i add the squeeze-dev repo? 20:18 wajasu should i had the debian wheezy repo and do apt-cache libdatetime-perl then apt-get install libdatetime-perl=1.26 (or 1.46)? 20:16 wajasu makefile.PL reports that I need 1.26. I used the debian netinst ISO. 20:15 wajasu i build a virgin debian vm. i installed apt-get install koha-common and editing and things worked. now i did a git clone, and want to do perl Makefile.PL 20:10 libsysguy how did you install it the first time wajasu? 20:09 wajasu i did a git -b my381 v3.08.01 to hopefully be alligned with debian squeeze. i already have the koha-common pkg installed. 20:03 wajasu when doing a git dev install, for v3.08.01 i get DateTime::TimeZone 1.26 module required, and I have 1.20. What is the best what to get the 1.26 version? cpan? or deb pkg from? 18:26 slef ok ttfn wizzyrea 18:26 wizzyrea anyway bye ;) 18:26 * wizzyrea is a terrible cynic 18:25 slef wizzyrea: I can point to co-ops that say one thing and maybe do another 18:25 wizzyrea "to give librarians a chance to look and feel important in the presence of their peers?" 18:25 mleaway uberglamping 18:25 slef wizzyrea: yeah and in reality? ;) 18:25 slef is that glamping 18:25 wizzyrea ohh kayyy 18:25 wizzyrea The aim of the Association, in that resolution, was "to enable librarians to do their present work more easily and at less expense." 18:25 wizzyrea haha 18:24 slef tata 18:24 wizzyrea http://www.ala.org/aboutala/missionhistory/history 18:24 mle anyhow... bbl 18:24 mle quote they even had shpwers in a tent. 18:23 slef yeah not sure I have since I was 7... I should not be so negative 18:23 mle i met investment banker who was raving about a connference he went to at green and awY. he had never slept i a tent before 18:22 slef so who runs ALA? Librarians or officers? 18:22 jwagner slef, wait for it.... 18:22 * slef is happily disappointed 18:21 mle http://www.greenandaway.org/page.cfm?pageid=ga-home 18:21 * slef waits for the gag about slef and hot air... 18:21 slef mle: silly heater costs? Have you seen the weather outside? 18:20 mle no silly hotel costs 18:20 slef mle: kohacon 2022? 18:20 slef you do need to know how much the conference is taking out of libraries 18:20 mle i reckon we could do a green version in a big tent and make it fun, green and cheap. 18:20 wizzyrea don't get me wrong I'm not defending it 18:19 slef you don't need to know that someone paid £10 for a last-minute box of paperclips because they were lost in transit 18:18 slef or any summary of it, more likely 18:18 slef wizzyrea: who knows? Do ALA members see the conference budget afterwards? 18:18 wizzyrea I'm sure running the conference itself isn't cheap. 18:17 bag BUT ALA does have a bottomline number they need to keep up ;) 18:17 bag ALA has pro managers (field officers I think they are called)…. Most of the round tables and actual talks/programs are mostly librarian run.. 18:16 slef I guess there are pro managers at ALA 18:16 mle bag: ok how to get there? 18:15 bag but now you've summed it up well… more librarian control ;) 18:15 bag I don't totally agree… we're not like other vendors - librarians are the star… ALA was great to attend when I worked the circ desk, etc… 18:15 slef mle: yeah I'm as subtle as a molotov 18:14 mle slef it needs to be said/suggested in a low threatening manner 18:14 slef it's very tempting to say that loudly... but also damaging to one's own business :( 18:13 bag PLEASE 18:13 slef bag: librarians, please take control of your association? 18:05 slef mle: just laughed at that bit... but we got reactions later 18:05 bag seems to be helping themselves (ALA that is) 18:05 bag I agree slef 18:05 mle just laughed or did you manage to ellicita reason? 18:05 slef bag: and then you have to charge libraries more and then libraries have to cut costs and close branches and fire librarians... and who is ALA meant to be helping exactly? 18:05 bag schuster may have a better idea on that too 18:05 bag There is some money left over from Kudos conference - That vtl was thinking about using to have a little get together (but I don't know the status of that) 18:03 slef mle: soooo... I suggested the koha vendors needed to merge or form a cartel... and they laughed at me :/ 18:03 bag The best way is to have a meetup at a pub ;) 18:03 bag I won't be attending ALA.. 18:03 bag yup ALA charges if you want a meeting room 18:02 slef wizzyrea: you brain surgeon you 18:02 wahanui slef: sorry... 18:02 slef wahanui: I don't care! 18:02 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot it 18:02 wizzyrea forget it 18:02 wahanui ...but it is confusing for someone to be working on a bug and the assignee field is either wrong or blank... 18:02 slef wahanui: it is far too early on Sunday 18:01 slef I think the hard part is in town AND online 18:01 slef mle: tried the doctors? 18:01 * mle goes home 18:00 mle slef ty for taking the eusa laptop 18:00 slef I have rangi's number but I'm sure he is doing a beer tour starting at the beehive (?) 1930 and they maxed out the number of free places 17:59 wahanui wonders is it is too early on Sunday for Koha db questions? lol 17:59 * mle wonders where 17:59 SJeffery Right, I was thinking something informal to just allow people to get together and hang out 17:59 wizzyrea slef: not if you do the meetup in the hallway track :P 17:59 slef mle: probably 17:59 SJeffery IIRC ala is something like $10k/booth 17:58 mle anyone still in town? 17:58 slef ah so is there no charge from ALA for the meetup? 17:58 * wizzyrea would probably find a restaurant and enjoy talking about koha with food and booze. 17:58 SJeffery so true 17:58 slef but I don't know... all these library confs seem like they overcharge vendors who then just overcharge libraries... 17:58 SJeffery I can put something together in the next few days...probably something along the lines of "get together this or that room/location and chat about Koha" 17:57 * wizzyrea is not going to ALA this year 17:57 slef and get less say about the meeting 17:57 slef else you all just pay more for them to gamble 17:56 slef so club together, hire a vendor to organise it? 17:56 SJeffery On the part of the individual, not the collective group...someone always has to spend the time 17:55 wizzyrea if you have no desire to organize it why would anyone attend? 17:55 slef sooo if there is not enough desire, why would a vendor...? 17:54 SJeffery For the usual reason: lack of time/ability/desire to organize it :) 17:54 * slef is ignorant co-op worker 17:53 slef SJeffery: why don't the users organise users meetups? 17:53 slef SJeffery: I think we distracted bywater with kohacon12. Try asking NateC when he says hi or use @later tell NateC whatever 17:51 slef mle: soory no... doctors may contain nuts 17:32 SJeffery Maybe we could get one of the vendors to organize it? *prods bywater* 17:23 mle slef where are you at? ia anyone about 17:23 mle back to teviot soon. anupne there? 17:13 slef SJeffery: ah then I've not seen nothing yet 17:13 rangi Yeah! 17:13 slef rangi: lucky you stuck it to something with your number on ;) 17:12 slef rangi: np. did you want the o2 leaflet too? 17:08 rangi Thanks slef 17:05 SJeffery It starts about the 21st 17:04 slef SJeffery: is ALA now? 16:58 SJeffery Did anyone ever get around to arrange a Koha users gathering at ALA? 16:50 Morthland Is there a way to add a font to the patron card creator? 16:43 slef ta jcamins_away 16:18 jcamins *Enjoy 16:18 jcamins ENjoy. 16:17 clrh have a good evening 16:17 clrh we will drink and eat and 16:17 clrh I will share you the result of hackfest :) 16:17 clrh ok jcamins I read 16:03 jcamins clrh: no problem. :) 16:02 clrh (sorry jcamins I am talking with Stefano) 16:02 jcamins Well, probably tomorrow. 16:02 jcamins hdl1: not yet. I'll be sending them out shortly. 15:59 hdl1 jcamins: any RFC link for C&P devs ? 15:55 jcamins Enjoy the pubbing. :) 15:53 Joubu bye 15:53 Joubu Drink for me at pubs ! 15:52 jcamins (I mean, not you personally, that would be too much... just if you had a plan for it all) 15:51 jcamins I'd rather clean up some code as part of this project, but if you're planning on doing all the refactoring, I can leave it as it is in C4. ;) 15:50 jcamins Which means that we will have to load the entire C4:: menagerie every time we want to do a search. 15:49 jcamins If we use C4::Search::Engine, that means we'll have to use C4::Search. 15:49 jcamins clrh: I have funding to do some work now. I think it's better to do it right from the start. 15:49 jcamins SJeffery: thanks. 15:49 jcamins clrh: my goal is to have things work, improve the quality of the code, and get solr into 3.12, if not 3.10. 15:49 SJeffery jcamins: Very nice presentation 15:48 jcamins clrh: if I write into C4, it'll still have to be rewritten. 15:48 clrh yes but if you write into Koha:: you/we will maybe have to rewrite it 15:47 wizzyrea maybe some pubs. 15:47 mbalmer more pubs 15:47 mbalmer pubs 15:47 wizzyrea pubs! 15:47 jcamins clrh: we could create a C4::Search::Engine* but that would just make things even messier, and wouldn't reduce circular dependencies. 15:47 rangi now we have to figure out what we are doing tonight 15:46 marcelr kohacon12 closed 15:46 jcamins clrh: because we want to separate the code. 15:45 wizzyrea :P 15:45 eythian http://www.amazon.com/Story-About-Ping-Marjorie-Flack/dp/0140502416 <-- wizzyrea, also this book 15:45 clrh but why cleaning it into Koha:: and not C4:: for the moment? 15:44 clrh yep I saw 15:44 jcamins clrh: disgusting/ugly/bad. 15:44 wizzyrea so when you need to explain the internet to people, you can use this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WwyJGzZmBe8 15:43 clrh ô icky new word for me :) 15:41 jcamins I am not entirely rewriting C4::Search, but better to have somewhat icky (but not as icky as what we have now!) code in Koha:: and the ability to introduce solr, than wait until someone has the time to entirely rewrite the Zebra interface. 15:41 clrh clean clean ;) 15:41 clrh jcamins: ++ 15:40 jcamins In order to move code to Koha::Search, it has to be cleaned up a lot, or it won't work in its new home. 15:40 clrh :) 15:40 jcamins clrh: I'm not *just* moving. 15:40 jcamins clrh: sufficient is an English word too. :) 15:39 clrh suffisant = enougth(sorry) 15:39 clrh juste "moving" can be not suffisant 15:39 mbalmer biblibre++ for the Drupal module! 15:38 clrh jcamins: great, I have to share last works we done with you and others at hackfest 15:38 jcamins Oops, need to adjust 7417 to ASSIGNED. 15:38 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8211 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Add "subject (broader)," "subject (narrower)," and "subject (related)" options for search 15:38 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7417 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, NEW , Include alternate forms from authorities in bibliographic searches 15:38 jcamins clrh: I wanted to let you know that as part of bug 7417 and bug 8211 I'll be doing more clean up of C4::Search, moving things over to Koha::Search::Engine. 15:37 jcamins marcelr: oh, I thought I was the very last presentation. Guess I got confused. 15:37 clrh jcamins: yep! 15:36 marcelr 1,5m before me; listening :-) 15:36 jcamins clrh: around? 15:34 * talljoy1 looks for biscotti <.< >.> 15:32 * jcamins munches on a couple of German biscotti. 15:31 cait thx 15:31 rangi cait: https://launchpad.net/~chris-bigballofwax/+archive/3.8.x-dailybuild 15:26 talljoy1 whatever works, right? 15:26 jcamins So I just started a new clip. 15:25 jcamins Then I couldn't figure out how to resume recording. 15:25 jcamins So I stopped it to check. 15:25 jcamins talljoy1: I realized after getting through the first part that I wasn't actually sure if I'd managed to record it. 15:24 talljoy1 jcamins. good presentation. I liked the funny pause in the middle. And no worries, we heard every word. ;-) 15:23 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8212 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Omnibus bug report for C & P authority developments 15:23 jcamins Bug 8212 15:20 wahanui somebody said packages was at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 15:20 cait packages? 15:20 wahanui debian packages are at debian.koha-community.org 15:20 cait debian packages? 15:19 paul_p drupal-opac URL = http://drupal.org/node/1570804 15:18 jcamins tajoli++ # for sending me a copy of his presentation. 15:17 eythian ah right 15:17 jcamins I had some issues with transcoding, so I didn't manage to upload the files to their final resting place yet. 15:16 jcamins eythian: yeah. 15:16 eythian *link 15:16 eythian it'd be handy to send to people asking about it 15:16 cait jcamins++ 15:16 eythian jcamins: I hope you'll like your video and slides from the wiki 15:16 cait yep it was 15:16 marcelr jcamins++ 15:16 david_ *virtual applause* 15:16 jcamins My pleasure. 15:16 rangi that was really good 15:16 rangi thanks jcamins 15:12 * jcamins dials in. 15:12 cait time for questions 15:12 cait *applause* 15:12 * SJeffery just noticed that secontrolnumber is off....that explains a few things 15:11 mbalmer re-ola 15:10 jcamins I'll upload those a bit later. 15:10 jcamins I think the missing ones were mostly charts of things to think about. 15:10 jcamins Sorry about that. 15:10 jcamins Errr, it sounds like some of the middle slides are missing. 15:10 SJeffery Works:) 15:08 jcamins I think the MPG should play fine with Windows Media Player. 15:07 jcamins SJeffery: I just sent you the links to my presentation, which actually comes in two parts thanks to my impatience with video editing. 15:06 jcamins I kept it very short since I'm about the last presentation on the last day. I figure I can answer as many questions as people have, but I didn't want to push it. 15:05 rangi its going well 15:05 jcamins I'm e-mailing you the links. 15:05 cait SJeffery: I think the recordings will be available after the conference 15:05 drojf you will be able to download it later i guess 15:05 jcamins SJeffery: there is not. However, my presentation is easy to see. 15:05 drojf SJeffery: don't think so 15:04 * cait cheers too 15:04 SJeffery Is there a live stream of this anywhere? 15:04 * chris_n cheers jcamins 15:04 drojf :P 15:04 drojf now that i know how to do it i get several presentations about it 15:03 eythian given I'm always asking about it 15:03 * eythian should pay attention to this 15:03 cait video is on 15:03 eythian huh, so that's what jcamins looks like... 15:02 cait *applause* 15:02 * mtompset waves bye. 15:02 cait jcamins: you are being announced now 15:01 mtompset Well, I'm off. Sounds like I'll miss some fun. 15:00 jcamins eythian: that's okay. 15:00 eythian also that your slides will probably get changed at all the wrong moments :) 15:00 eythian jcamins: slef says thanks for that, it lets him move the video on the screen 14:59 jcamins I also apologize if I talked too fast. 14:58 pastebot "samuel" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "ldap, problems of mapping" (25 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/436 14:58 jcamins I couldn't tell if it was recording. 14:57 jcamins I should warn you there are about two and a half seconds of silence at the beginning of the presentation. 14:57 mtompset AS opposed to being off. ;) 14:57 jcamins Yay! 14:56 eythian jcamins: you're almost on :) 14:56 jcamins mtompset: nope. 14:56 mtompset I'm curious as to the output of ./koha_perl_deps.pl -m 14:55 schuster I would swear it gave me the report that 3.6.5 was complete, but it is working and I need it "semi" stable before I do ANYTHING to it again... It has been a rough 3 days. 14:53 mtompset Actually, would the install/upgrade fail if there were missing dependencies? 14:53 jcamins DOM, on the other hand, will make that easy. 14:53 jcamins That would be a prime example of something that the GRS-1 configuration files do not lend themselves to. 14:53 jcamins See, what we really need is something that will automatically generate a listing. 14:52 jcamins http://manual.koha-community.org/3.8/en/kohasearchindexes.html#id605897 14:52 SJeffery Out of date? *prods nicole* 14:52 jcamins Somewhere... 14:52 jcamins SJeffery: there is an out of date table. 14:52 SJeffery Is there documentation on which MARC fields are searched by each search box/method? 14:51 clrh great! 14:50 rangi yep, that seems to be the common one clrh 14:50 clrh do you use the term "lis" for library and information science ? I was looking for a name for a twitter list for people related to ils libraries and job related 14:49 rangi so i think we will be starting in a few 14:49 jcamins Not long now. The recorded bit is about ten minutes, and then I'll call in for questions. 14:48 rangi jcamins: people are coming back in 14:48 jcamins C4::Search-- 14:47 jcamins SJeffery: that is correct. 14:46 SJeffery Can anyone confirm that the 008 date fields are NOT used for a general search, but is used when performing an advanced search by date? 14:45 wizzyrea it could be that the upgrade itself wasn't completed correctly, and that's why there is a discrepancy 14:45 wizzyrea since he said he upgraded it 14:45 jcamins mtompset: yeah, but if you installed from the 3.6.5 tgz, you should end up with the same version. 14:44 wizzyrea yes, thanks. I'm making some assumptions that the upgrade itself was completed correctly 14:44 mtompset the unpacked directory and the installed directory aren't the same on a standard installation. 14:43 wizzyrea because his install reports it's 3.6.4 14:43 mtompset Why is that odd? 14:41 wizzyrea ok that's odd 14:40 schuster yep - koha-3.06.05.tar.gz 14:40 wizzyrea .tar.gz? 14:40 wizzyrea it says 3.06.05? 14:40 schuster yes I do what do you want to know about it? 14:37 schuster Ah let me look 14:37 wizzyrea do you still have the file? 14:37 schuster My luck of course... 14:37 jcamins wizzyrea: yeah, that would make sense. 14:37 wizzyrea i.e. coincidence of timing 14:37 schuster I downloaded the 3.06.05.tar.gz version. 14:37 wizzyrea i wonder if schuster downloaded it in that magic moment in between when the file was uploaded and the link was changed 14:36 wizzyrea hm looks ok 14:35 schuster OK - well I'm in the middle of my migration to community and have had a few headaches along the way... So I will "redownload" 3.6.5 soon once I can show it is up and running! 14:35 jcamins Yeah, I think so. 14:35 wizzyrea link wrong maybe? 14:35 jcamins schuster: okay, that's weird... 14:34 schuster On May 25th I downloaded 3.6.5 from the website and what my about is saying I have 3.6.4 14:34 jcamins So you might want to re-download 3.6.5, and upgrade to that right away. 14:34 wizzyrea ! that doesn't seem right schuster. 14:34 schuster whew... 14:34 jcamins wizzyrea: no, I mean, the file labeled 3.6.5 is, in fact, 3.6.5. 14:34 schuster OpacSupression... 14:33 schuster OK step back jcamins wins!!! Evidently in the upgrade it changed the default from Don't Hide to Hide! 14:33 wizzyrea or the version is reporting 3.6.4 14:33 wizzyrea the patch for that is in 3.6.5, but schuster says he has 3.6.4 14:29 jcamins It's 3.6.5. 14:28 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7874 minor, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , Templates::get_language generates lots of not defined warnings 14:28 wizzyrea perhaps bug 7874? 14:27 * jcamins will check what's in there. 14:27 jcamins Odd. 14:27 jcamins Still is. 14:26 jcamins schuster: 3.6.5 was up. 14:26 schuster Even though I downloaded from the website 3.06.05??? 14:26 schuster 3.06.04.000 - actually 14:25 * wizzyrea grins 14:25 * wizzyrea waves at eythian 14:25 eythian they have "or" 14:25 mtompset That's three questions. :P 14:25 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?" 14:25 mtompset the first question? 14:25 schuster 3.06.05 14:24 wahanui somebody said the third question was "What version of Koha are you using?" http://koha-community.org/faq/find-version-koha-running/ 14:24 wizzyrea the third question? 14:24 wahanui the second question is "What is the exact error message?" 14:24 wizzyrea the second question? 14:24 wizzyrea hi samuel 14:24 mtompset What version are you running, Schuster? 14:22 samuel hi everybody 14:22 schuster But where do I select the language? 14:22 schuster So I turned on the language piece in I8L or whatever that tab is and now get this error - opac-search.pl: Use of uninitialized value $lang in string eq at /home/koha/kohaclone//C4/Templates.pm line 336. 14:20 jcamins Hm. I think I may add a "C & P Authorities Improvements" meta-bug. 14:15 mtompset ^mant^many^ 14:15 wizzyrea patch or it didn't happen ;) 14:15 mtompset too mant late nights. 14:15 mtompset but I forget what it was. 14:15 mtompset I remember tracing it down. 14:15 mtompset its in my koha-error_log 14:14 mtompset no, the accept_language(x,y) mess. 14:14 schuster Why would you have those errors in koha-opac-error_log from staff client? 14:13 mtompset Though, it's for the staff client. 14:13 schuster mmm chocolate ones... Ok will try. 14:13 jcamins schuster: you may need to clear your cookies. 14:13 schuster something about language? but I see that double // in front of the C4 which makes me concerned. 14:13 mtompset I have a bunch of those flooding my logs too. 14:12 schuster When I look in the Koha_opac_error_log I see this - opac-search.pl: accept_language(x,y) called with no clientPreferences (x). at /home/koha/kohaclone//C4/Templates.pm line 331 14:12 mtompset dalek is from Dr. Who, talljoy. 14:12 eythian or opacsuppresssomething 14:11 schuster zebra. 14:09 cait schuster: which index tool are you using? 14:09 jcamins I think it's opachiddenitems. 14:09 jcamins ^^ there is a question about that problem. :) 14:09 wahanui rumour has it faq is found at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ 14:09 jcamins faq? 14:09 schuster I've had issues mainly with the indexer sucking up disk space... But I did a test search in Staff and it works, but when I do a test search in Pac I get no items found. any suggestions? 14:09 schuster What a day yesterday was I hope today will be more successful! In moving back to community things have been a little bumpy on our own. 13:52 cait heh 13:51 talljoy lol...oh. i should have recognized from the boys lego sets. 13:51 jcamins However, I use bug numbers for tracking. 13:51 rangi starwars 13:51 talljoy is that a dalek, starwars or startrek 13:51 rangi thats boba fett, a bounty hunter :) 13:51 jcamins Ooh, sci fi references? :) 13:51 eythian but both are very fast and efficient, which is what I cared about. 13:51 talljoy these sci fi references are over my head rangi 13:51 jcamins clrh: yes, I'll be posting the detailed RFC to the wiki. 13:51 jcamins We report bugs/enhancements for things we're working on so that people know what's going on. 13:51 eythian mtompset: I wrote it in vim, also not user friendly. 13:51 rangi favourite slide so far 13:49 clrh rfc++ for a start for documenting feature and test cases (before push) cc nengard 13:48 jcamins mtompset: nah, it's a conflict of interest if I try to claim that my testing is sufficient to conclude that the fixes resolve the bugs. 13:47 mtompset isn't that a conflict of interest? ;) 13:45 jcamins Only seven bugs left to report and assign to myself. 13:45 mtompset Back to wiki edit's before I lose them again. 13:44 mtompset Though, I'll still use it for generating PDF output. ;) 13:44 mtompset Unless you know it well, it's ugly. 13:43 mtompset Imagine having to deal with it in a text-only hand-code environment. 13:43 mtompset I'm sure GUI front-ends have improved. 13:43 drojf i bet word processors were even worse then :P 13:42 mtompset I had bad experiences from the 90's. :P 13:42 drojf a few years ago 13:42 * jcamins doesn't do TeX. 13:42 jcamins mtompset: *TeX* is user-unfriendly. LaTeX isn't too bad. 13:42 mtompset When did you first interact with it? 13:42 drojf way more friendly than a word processor ;) 13:42 jcamins marcelr: yes, you hate cats. 13:41 drojf mtompset: i'm a user, it's friendly to me 13:41 mtompset Useful. 13:41 mtompset Powerful. 13:41 marcelr heathens? 13:41 mtompset LaTeX is not user friendly. 13:41 jcamins Pixel says you're all heathens, and now he's going to hide in a corner. 13:40 rangi hehe 13:40 marcelr libsysguy: you really should hate cats before joining qa team ;) 13:36 libsysguy touche sekjal 13:35 * sekjal is actually Dothraki for 'killer of kittens' 13:34 eythian mtompset: are you some kind of heathen perhaps? 13:32 cait don't check categories when uploading files 13:32 cait I think that might be the problem 13:32 jcamins libsysguy: there's a saved search for Failed QA. 13:32 cait uploading files works - please don't check categories! 13:32 cait ok 13:32 drojf mtompset: why is that? 13:31 * libsysguy was reading the devel email about scoreboard and wonders how many kittens sekjal and the rest of the QA team have killed 13:30 * mtompset cringes at the mention of LaTeX. 13:28 eythian yeah 13:28 drojf for the bullets 13:27 drojf eythian: yeah just saw that. company and koha logo 13:27 eythian drojf: yeah, but there's really not much point in including the graphics, most of it is company logo stuff 13:27 dpavlin start singing, now! 13:26 marcelr pdf works, ppt does not 13:26 cait going to try eythian's presentation next 13:26 cait I can upload pdf files to the wiki 13:26 cait ok 13:26 drojf slef: we will stay longer for you, don't worry :P 13:26 jwagner You'll do fine :-) 13:26 slef if ppl ask 30mins of questions, we run out of time for me 13:25 drojf eythian: your latex file would give less errors if there were the graphics too ;) 13:25 slef (joke...it is not wired in just now) 13:25 jwagner ? 13:25 slef jwagner: phone in with a q for gbenga 13:24 jwagner slef, There Is No Escape 13:24 slef get me out of talking 13:24 slef cmon, 30mins more 13:24 slef drojf: awww you're so kind 13:23 drojf slef: you've been an excellent host/ presenter so far, don't worry, all will be fine 13:23 slef store place good idea 13:23 slef you have 35mins to fill 13:23 dpavlin eythian: I though that mumble, mumble, grrr, grrr sounds should be enough :-) 13:23 slef everyone ask lots 13:23 jcamins They used to have little samples out. :) 13:22 jcamins Yeah, that's a good shop. 13:22 jcamins Ohhh. 13:22 jcamins TIRTMI! 13:22 eythian dpavlin: for singing when slef is presen...never mind, explaining a joke kills it :) 13:22 wahanui I haven't seen 'http://fudgehouse.co.uk/', drojf 13:22 drojf cait: seen http://fudgehouse.co.uk/ ? 13:22 dpavlin eythian: I'm not sure I know what wean songs you are refering to? From yesteday? 13:21 cait I am going to give uploading files another try 13:21 cait I removed it because both tables got out of sync with changes being made 13:21 cait ah, there should be no schedule on the wiki now 13:20 jwagner I noticed the other day that the schedule on the wiki wasn't the same as on k-c.org -- which one is the "final" version? 13:20 cait I think brooke reported that in the past but were not able to replicate 13:20 eythian (for me, anyway) 13:20 eythian it's just not working for some reason 13:20 eythian cait: ideally you'd upload them to the wiki 13:19 jwagner cait, looks fine, thanks 13:19 cait slef: perhaps we should get and store all slides somewhere - itwould be nice to have all files in the same place somewhere 13:18 cait jwagner: it's done, please check it works 13:18 eythian /msg dpavlin you've got the mean songs memorised? 13:18 cait slef: hm? 13:18 slef cait: you'll be forcing me chocolate after this! 13:18 dpavlin slef: don't worry, you are among frineds here :-) 13:18 cait ok, that was mean 13:17 rangi you'll be fine 13:17 cait eat some chocolate :P 13:17 cait you will do fine 13:17 slef I'm about to present. Paralysed by fear, as always before I do anything in public 13:17 jwagner slef asked me to put it online last week, so it's at http://www.koha.org/library/resources/documents/WhattoDoWhenTheySay.pdf 13:16 cait do you have a link to the slides? 13:16 jwagner slef or cait, can you link my presentation? 13:14 rangi ahh 13:14 cait rangi: linking your presentations 13:13 mtompset Okay... calmer.... wiki edits are ugly, but made it there. 13:12 rangi hmm? 13:12 cait rangi++ even 13:12 cait rangi+ 13:10 cait and ++ for all other speakers linking their slides :) 13:10 cait thx eythian - eythian++ 13:09 eythian http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon12_Schedule#Migrating_to_Koha_.2860_min.29 <-- my slides are linked from here now 13:08 mtompset AH! I hit the wrong key and logged out. 13:06 * eythian will just link from somewhere else 13:06 cait hope the uploading works, if not, we will try to figure out something else 13:05 cait yes 13:05 clrh cait: here ? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon12_Schedule ok 13:05 eythian it just sites there trying to upload forever 13:05 eythian hmm, I appear to not be able to attach the file. 13:04 mtompset ARG! Let's try again... editing the wiki is a pain. 13:02 mtompset Good thing a large section was in the discussion page. :) 13:00 mtompset So this doesn't happen again. 13:00 mtompset Okay, smaller edits. 12:59 mtompset :( 12:59 mtompset Wasn't fast enough. 12:59 mtompset Yes, this means I have Wiki access. :) 12:59 jcamins mtompset: if you hit back quickly, you may not have lost them. 12:59 mtompset My login timed out, and all my lovely edits were lost. 12:59 mtompset GAH! 12:57 eythian at least, I think it's working... 12:57 eythian You can attach files in the wiki, use the "media files" button. 12:53 cait eythian: I think we should be able to, nicole linked her abstracts in, not sure how she did it 12:52 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon12_Schedule 12:52 * eythian finds out 12:52 eythian can we upload to the wiki? 12:52 cait clrh: yep - the wiki woudl be good, on the page with the abstracts 12:52 rangi yep, people have been linking them to their abstracts/talks there 12:51 clrh is there a place to share the slides? wiki? 12:41 rangi ahh sweet 12:41 jcamins I have a calling card which I can combine with VoIP for absurdly low rates. :) 12:41 rangi so potentially we could call you too 12:40 rangi (we bought O2 simcards) 12:40 rangi jcamins: eythian is just checking his plan, he thinks he might have cheap international calling 12:38 jcamins I'll just need the phone-in number. 12:38 jcamins If not, IRC will work just fine too. 12:38 jcamins Or at least try. :) 12:38 jcamins I can phone in. 12:38 rangi and relay questions to you 12:38 rangi we can put it on the big screen 12:38 rangi jcamins: apparently sip is not working :( can you phone in? or would irc work for questions 12:16 mtompset This is scary... so much change in a single edit. 12:05 mtompset okay... I'm editing... it's just that maybe someone has a love of unp over tar -xvf 12:03 medmondson the wikipedia URL is a bit too wikipedia specific anyhow 12:02 medmondson be bold, revert is easy 12:02 medmondson well its a common wiki principle 12:02 mtompset I get timeout errors. 12:02 jcamins It worked for me. 12:02 medmondson hmm I wonder what is wrong with that URL 12:02 jcamins *" 12:02 jcamins mtompset: I will summarize: "Be bold and edit those wiki pages!: 12:00 mtompset Is there a back up somewhere? 11:59 mtompset I can't seem to get that link to work, medmondson. 11:58 jcamins Exactly. 11:58 medmondson http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Be_bold 11:58 jcamins And, if you accidentally screw things up, the change can be reverted. 11:57 jcamins You won't. 11:57 mtompset it 11:57 mtompset I'm worried about busting ir. 11:57 jcamins It's very easy. 11:57 jcamins No, you should go ahead and edit the pages. :) 11:57 mtompset I figured since I've never edited a page, I'll let someone else do that. 11:56 mtompset I've already added a slew of discussion notes to the koha on ubuntu page. 11:55 jcamins Yay! 11:55 jcamins I think cait did the "jcamins is an outstanding cook," then various people added the other bits, and I revised it to use commas instead of ". or" a few months ago. 11:55 mtompset On a positive note... I got wiki access today! 11:54 mtompset okay, that makes sense. 11:54 jcamins ;) 11:54 jcamins mtompset: I can't say I'd like to, but I don't really have much of a choice. 11:54 pastebot "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "What wahanui used to know about me" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/435 11:53 mtompset who would want to forge queries in the deep fires of zebra? 11:53 * jcamins looks for an example. 11:53 wahanui jcamins is an outstanding cook, well-traveled and brilliant, trying to think of a solution, or the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra or an authorities expert 11:53 mtompset jcamins? 11:52 jcamins mtompset: it used to be a lot more colorful. 11:51 mtompset How is it that you got such a colourful descriptor, jcamins? 11:51 jcamins Huh. "Wahanui" used to have a response like "wahanui is little yet. He needs to learn more. :)" 11:51 wahanui yes, jcamins? 11:51 jcamins wahanui? 11:51 wahanui i guess mtompset is not. 11:51 jcamins mtompset? 11:50 wahanui slef is not at home so please email kohacon12 AT software.coop instead 11:50 mtompset slef? 11:50 wahanui mtompset? 11:50 mtompset wahanui? 11:50 wahanui mtompset? 11:50 mtompset wahanui 11:50 wahanui you are not. 11:50 mtompset mtompset 11:49 wahanui jcamins is probably an outstanding cook, well-traveled and brilliant, trying to think of a solution, or the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra or an authorities expert 11:49 mtompset Hey, jcamins. 11:47 mtompset A friendlier API on top of the existing one. 11:40 mtompset Sorry for a slow reply. 11:40 mtompset No, I am not. 11:21 medmondson s/'real locals'/my friends 11:19 medmondson pub: http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/17/17130/Dagda_Bar/Edinburgh very close to teviot and one of the cheapest in Edinburgh. very popular with real locals 11:18 clrh we'll have lunch, see you 11:17 clrh api exists it can be enhanced (<- can I say that?) 11:17 clrh mtompset: sorry I don't know you, are you in edimbourg? 11:17 cait we will be back :) 11:17 cait lunch break here 11:16 mtompset So, providing a friendlier API? 11:16 rangi stefano++ 11:16 rangi yes 11:16 rangi clrh: that sounds really great 11:16 clrh stefano++ too happy to see his work 11:16 cait clrh++ :) 11:15 wahanui refactoring is not rewriting it is abstracting. 11:15 mtompset refactoring? 11:15 rangi clrh++ 11:15 rangi w00t 11:15 cait clrh: :) 11:14 clrh rangi: today the layer provides ability to plug whatever you want - the purpose now is not really solr but adapting/refactoring zebra part - I hope I'll take time to explain during hackfest :) 11:10 drojf <3 edinburgh 11:09 eythian excellent! 11:09 eythian > Did you know that Edinburgh has more pubs per square mile than any other city in Europe? 11:04 paul_p rangi = yes, it work fine now ! 11:02 rangi paul_p: is the default removed now? 11:02 cait i am sure they can... 11:02 mtompset serious... 11:02 mtompset Wow, that was a serioud read to catch up. 11:02 drojf cait: they can pack the cooked breakfast :D 11:02 mbalmer I see 11:02 medmondson pubs on Friday night will be very busy 11:02 eythian http://www.edinburghliterarypubtour.co.uk/pub_details.php <-- every night 11:02 cait drojf: grab something on the way? ask for a lunchpack? ;) 11:02 mbalmer so pub stroll tomorrow night? 11:02 rangi i have the brochure for the pub tour by me 11:01 drojf hm if tour starts at 8am i would not get any breakfast 11:01 wahanui cait: I forgot tonight 11:01 cait forget tonight 11:01 cait forget nonight 11:01 eythian Not sure. 11:01 wahanui tonight is probably 23rd :) 11:01 mbalmer tonight? 11:01 matts ^^ 11:01 eythian I think it's a pub crawl with a pretence of culture. Exactly my sort of thing! 11:00 mbalmer literary pub tour? 10:59 rangi i think so 10:59 eythian rangi: the literary pub tour started at 7.30 didn't it? 10:59 cait varying in prices too 10:59 rangi paul_p: ahh ill take that out 10:59 rangi (there are a few different ones tho, shorter and longer) 10:59 rangi 8am to 7.30pm drojf 10:58 drojf we would be able to see nessy… 10:58 drojf ah, i'm just blind, thanks 10:58 paul_p drojf = on the right "start 8AM, back around 7PM" 10:57 paul_p it's at the wrong place = in english it's "between ______ AND Now" while in french it's "between Maintenant and _______" 10:57 Oak thank you nengard ! 10:57 drojf rangi: the highlands tour sounds nice, but does it say somewhere how long it actually takes? 10:57 paul_p rangi = much better, except the "Maintenant" ( in the Entre le: field) must be removed or you get no results 10:54 rangi or any french speaker 10:54 rangi can you try a search in french now? 10:54 rangi paul_p: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/query.cgi?format=advanced 10:53 clrh thx hdl :) 10:51 nengard #koha folks - my mom sent me a text asking me to send you all her love :) 10:50 pastebot "hdl" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "clrh: rpn2solr avec sru enabled" (27 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/434 10:47 rangi oooh 10:47 medmondson west highland line is truly wonderful. (go over the famous 'Harry Potter' viaduct) http://www.scotlandsforme.com/main_attraction.php?id=79 10:46 cait i haven't taken the tour before, I think they advertised tours in different languages, so there might be french 10:46 cait hm i think we came by the bus stop this morning 10:46 paul_p cait = OK, we take the bus. But will there be a guide ? which language ? audio-guide in french ? lunch included for the price ? where the bus start in EDI ? 10:42 cait paul_p: read the left column down 10:42 paul_p not really clear what is included in http://www.highlandexperience.com/tour-details.asp?txtTour=171, or I couldn't find where it's described... 10:40 slef anyone find marcelr's library on LibraryThing? 10:40 cait I think 10:40 cait it depends on how you explain that 10:40 slef will you applaud or boo when I say "LibLime was right"? 10:39 slef that will be more on my talk I think, once I make my suggestion 10:38 rangi heh 10:37 slef maybe only works in my accent 10:37 slef Scream and Run Urway 10:37 rangi well eythian does 10:37 rangi yup 10:37 slef you all got your SRU questions ready? 10:36 cait I think would be ok for me, the nessi hunter tour is not included i think, but I would like to do it again 10:35 rangi 41 pound, which is alright for me, but maybe too much for some? 10:34 cait monsters mountains and massacres - sounds like fun :) 10:33 rangi i was thinking to maybe do a highlands tour tomorrow http://www.highlandexperience.com/tour-details.asp?txtTour=171 10:31 slef medmondson: I think S went there yesterday. Pretty good but tour was overbooked (22) and even fully-booked (20) is a bit more than some rooms hold (maybe 15). Still interesting though. 10:30 Joubu rangi: The patch was already signed-off, I updated the status. I cheated :) 10:30 medmondson http://www.realmarykingsclose.com/ 10:30 medmondson rangi: it reminds me.. I was going to recommend... 10:30 medmondson rangi: Some are quite fun apparently. 10:29 paul_p rangi = FYI = usually, from wed to friday, clrh team -joubu, julian_m and matts work for the community 10:26 rangi yep :) 10:26 slef is that starting early? 10:26 rangi hmm Joubu is trying to win the wine signing off patches! 10:20 rangi medmondson: http://edinburghliterarypubtour.co.uk/ <-- this looks cheesy but fun 10:15 mtompset I have wiki access! YAY! 10:14 mtompset gmcharlt++ 10:03 mtompset How did you get the red underline? 10:00 medmondson some folk werea asking about visiting edinburgh hacklab. Tonight is coffee and code night from about 7.30. I have sent an email to the list, to alert them to our presence, but will be suprised if we get a reply. for those that want the info: http://edinburghhacklab.com/events/ 09:57 rangi it's entirely accurate 09:55 slef I think that is accurate, isn't it? 09:54 rangi heh 09:53 slef I have also put "Former koha.org webmaster" in my biog 09:53 rangi go for it :) 09:52 slef rangi: may I steal your TMs? 09:52 slef medmondson: I have 90mins to recharge them before me. 09:52 slef to see if I will fall foul of the same complaints. 09:52 drojf i vote for exlibris aleph for everybody. our university library approves :/ 09:51 slef I think I will spend lunch time reading arguments against worldcat 09:51 medmondson make sure that the camera batteries are full before your talk slef ;) 09:51 drojf lol 09:51 cait better pack a parachute ;) 09:50 slef that is closer 09:50 cait we all go into worldcat? 09:50 cait uhoh 09:50 slef No, worse. 09:50 slef Oh well. I will walk off a cliff in front of you all. 09:50 cait you suggest that all libaries start using ebsco? 09:49 slef I think people will hate it now. 09:49 slef cait: my talk has a Big Idea in the middle of it 09:49 cait slef: ??? 09:49 slef eeeeek I've misread the mood of the room 09:48 slef all those comments against monoliths 09:48 slef ohhh this is going to go really badly 09:48 slef hmmm you're not going to like the main answer in my talk then 09:48 cait yep she is :) 09:47 rangi 's brave :) 09:47 rangi she 09:46 drojf heh 09:46 slef and now we've stopped torturing lee, people are allowed their laptops back 09:38 mtompset Hello all. 09:36 Joubu hi cait :) 09:36 Joubu hi #koha 09:36 cait hi Joubu :) 09:31 gmcharlt mtompset: hmm - I've set one for you, then 09:29 mtompset but I don't think it asked for a password. 09:29 mtompset It said the username is the same as my Real Name. 09:28 mtompset I must have done something wrong. 09:27 mtompset Hmm... no password is set... did it ask? 09:26 gmcharlt mtompset: ok, I've approved the account -- please see if you can log in now 09:26 mtompset Nice randomization on the math question. 09:25 mtompset Okay... it says and email has been sent to me... 09:24 slef are ppl on phones or breaking lee's rule? 09:23 alex_a bonjour medmondson 09:23 gmcharlt mtompset: bio requirement removed 09:23 medmondson salut alex_a 09:22 slef awrite about getting a login?;) 09:22 mtompset Arg! A bio of 50 words. 09:21 slef so there's only the phonies like me still here 09:20 slef lee just made everyone close their laptops 09:20 gmcharlt yes 09:19 mtompset So request? 09:18 mtompset registering? 09:18 gmcharlt mtompset: ok, I think we're set up - please try registering your account again 09:18 medmondson yup 09:18 mtompset Are those shifty eyes? 09:17 medmondson ¬¬ 09:15 mtompset What if there was an email address to which a blank message with "Register Me" as a subject line would generate the confirmation email after the user registered? Bots don't send empty emails, and they don't know the subject line, though they'd likely get the email address. 09:07 * mtompset laughs, "Great minds think alike." 09:07 wahanui gmcharlt, I didn't have anything matching mtompset 09:07 gmcharlt wahanui: forget mtompset 09:07 wahanui mtompset: I forgot mtompset 09:07 mtompset wahanui forget mtompset 09:06 wahanui rumour has it mtompset is taking off 09:06 mtompset mtompset 09:06 cait gmcharlt++ 09:06 gmcharlt nm, found it 09:06 gmcharlt mtompset: yes, I mean, what username did you assign yourself? 09:05 * slef rants off to his mailbox 09:05 slef what am I? chopped liver? 09:05 mtompset I did send you an email @gmail. 09:05 mtompset mtompset@hotmail.com 09:04 cait lol 09:04 slef I hate "are you human?" because most of them say I am not 09:04 gmcharlt mtompset: what user account did you register? 09:04 gmcharlt slef: I agree, it's gonig to have to be manual approval 09:03 slef irc 09:03 gmcharlt mtompset: whcih the bots have defeated 09:03 slef bulk deleting unapproveds and switching to lots of ppl allowed to approve. maybe from irv 09:03 mtompset And then some even have a simple "What is 3+4?" box. 09:03 cait that could work until we get a real solution again 09:03 mtompset A lot of places have a "Are you human?" box that you need to check. 09:03 cait yes, perhaps some people could be given permission to activate user accounts? 09:02 cait hi gmcharlt 09:02 * mtompset smiles, "Okay... I can relax now. :)" 09:02 slef can we special case approve mtompset account please? 09:02 gmcharlt as we were in danger of getting k-c.org on spam blocks 09:02 * gmcharlt pops in -- not just a matter of unblocking email, going to need to figure out a way to deal with mediawiki's laxity 09:01 mtompset How frustrating. 09:01 mtompset From what I can tell in the IRC logs... I missed him by 3 minutes! 09:01 cait perhaps we should try thd 09:01 cait no answer yet 09:00 cait I dropped gmcharlt a mail too some days ago 09:00 slef I am very trying! 09:00 cait lol 09:00 mtompset Hey, you guys are trying. I very much appreciate that. 09:00 slef but I would just fail to find time 09:00 cait we all do... 09:00 slef I wish I could give mtompset wiki access 09:00 cait mtompset: he has to suffer doing all the organisation 09:00 cait mtompset: we have t obe nice to slef 08:59 * slef hides from mtompset 08:59 drojf ah ok 08:59 cait i think you can link from your abstract on the wiki 08:59 mtompset This conversation made me think of: http://youtu.be/wvsboPUjrGc 08:59 slef drojf: wiki 08:59 drojf slef: where to put the presentation for the rest of the world? 08:59 drojf rangi: thanks :) 08:58 slef typing is hard on mini keyboard 08:58 rangi drojf: it was good :) 08:58 slef back 08:58 drojf slef: i had a stop watch running. took 11 minutes, took 20 at the hotel ^^ 08:58 mbalmer itym, i'm the young man! 08:58 mtompset stop using acronyms that nobody knows. ;) 08:58 slef drojf: clock at the bck shows wrong time 08:57 mtompset suatnk! :P 08:57 cait you will see the sme happening with me in wildau ;) 08:57 cait heh 08:57 drojf nice to put a timer and then don'tr look at it :D 08:57 wahanui OK, slef. 08:57 slef wahanui: ITYM is I Think You Mean 08:57 mbalmer i thing you mean 08:57 drojf omg i was fast with my presentation. i hope you could understand anything 08:57 cait mtompset: thx for asking that :) 08:57 mtompset ITYM? 08:56 mbalmer that dance folks do because of the little moskitos.. 08:56 drojf hi #koha 08:56 mle caber tossing workshop! 08:56 cait moin drojf 08:56 slef mbalmer: ITYM flange 08:56 mbalmer dancing the highland flinge? 08:56 slef something energising in the mornings 08:55 mtompset get started? 08:55 cait what's your definition of "boot up"? 08:55 slef shall we ask mle to boot up hackfest? 08:55 cait who could that have been... 08:55 rangi hehe 08:54 slef yeah some blodger was meaning to teach us a song and slept 08:54 cait there is still the hackfest... :) 08:54 cait :) 08:54 cait you should have... 08:54 mle hope everyone is feelimg chipper this morning! i was tempted to do something energisimg with you all this morning! 08:54 cait true 08:54 rangi :) 08:54 rangi at kohacon10 08:54 slef I was worried. We did not cover ourselves in singing glory before 08:53 mle hi cait. 08:53 cait mtompset: I don't know which it was, but it was good 08:53 rangi hehe 08:53 mle rangi ty it was my pleasure. i will forever remember the waving arms of kohacon12. ;) 08:53 slef blurgh 08:51 mtompset which is the right one? 08:50 mtompset hard or not? 08:50 mtompset alcoholic or non? 08:50 cait and thx for helping me find the right cider :) 08:50 cait yeah, it was awesome 08:50 rangi it was fantastic 08:50 cait hi mle :) 08:50 rangi mle: i need to say thanks again for organising last night 08:49 mtompset But frequently people click 'no'. :( 08:49 mle morning 08:49 mtompset I did mark the email read-receipt. 08:49 mtompset (his email address is on a couple of the bug reports I made) 08:49 mtompset I did send an email to gmcharlt. 08:48 mtompset Well, I do appreciate the efforts. 08:44 mtompset :) 08:44 cait we are trying... but I think we got stuck again 08:44 mtompset Does this mean someone might be able to fix my wiki access? 08:44 mbalmer ola 08:43 mtompset Greetings, people. 08:40 paul_p hi cait 08:40 cait bonjour paul_p :) 08:39 nengard yuppers :) 08:39 cait nengard: superlibrarian powers? ;) 08:39 rangi yay thanks 08:39 nengard I had no idea I had those special powers :) 08:38 nengard for both 08:38 nengard rangi it's done 08:38 rangi umm one of them, and yeah i am admin, but only bureaucrat can do user permissions apparently 08:35 nengard user Chris is a an admin - or are you Chrisc 08:35 nengard okay let me poke around 08:35 nengard hmmmm 08:35 rangi so somehow you can elevate permissions, if you figure out how could you make me one too please :) 08:34 nengard oh ?. hehe 08:34 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&group=bureaucrat 08:34 nengard I know I can delete pages - I can see the users list but don't see a way to approve/reject members .... 08:33 nengard I don't think I do ? but maybe 08:33 Oak hmm 08:33 nengard what does that mean? 08:33 rangi nengard: you have bureacrat permissions on the wiki eh? 08:32 cait short night 08:32 cait we are at the conference site... only a bit tired :) 08:32 Oak huh? waking up late today? 08:31 nengard ditto 08:31 cait still trying to wake up :) 08:31 Oak o hello cait :) what are you doing? 08:31 cait heya Oak :) 08:30 huginn` Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 35.0°C (1:00 PM PKT on June 07, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 25%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady). 08:30 Oak @wunder islamabad 08:19 huginn` mtompset: The current temperature in Manila, Philippines is 29.0°C (4:00 PM PHT on June 07, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 26.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady). 08:19 mtompset @wunder MNL 08:18 huginn` mtompset: The current temperature in Dalgety Bay, United Kingdom is 12.2°C (9:15 AM BST on June 07, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Steady). 08:18 mtompset @wunder EDI 08:17 mtompset It's 4:16PM here. 08:16 matts It's 9 AM here :) 08:16 mtompset It's been rather empty so far today. 08:15 mtompset Hi, matts. 08:15 matts hi ! 07:00 * mtompset thinks he needs to take an afternoon nap. 06:59 mtompset Oh, the data was an hour ago. 06:58 mtompset It's nearly 3PM. 06:58 mtompset Wait a second... that time is wrong. 06:56 huginn` mtompset: The current temperature in Ninoy Aquino Inter-National Airport, Philippines is 28.0°C (2:00 PM PHT on June 07, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 27.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Falling). 06:56 mtompset @wunder MNL 06:55 mtompset 96% humidity?! 06:55 huginn` mtompset: The current temperature in Dalgety Bay, United Kingdom is 10.6°C (7:45 AM BST on June 07, 2012). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Steady). 06:55 mtompset @wunder EDI 06:54 mtompset Bonjour. :) 06:53 wahanui bonjour, reiveune 06:53 reiveune hello 06:53 wahanui somebody said a bit was unset, but it's still stuck at the bottom. 06:53 mtompset what is a bit? 06:53 * mtompset smirks, "Yes, a bit is much longer than 10 minutes." 05:38 * mtompset nods. 05:37 cait bbiab 05:32 mtompset Strange... no bug reports of CCL parsing error? 05:30 mtompset It's afternoon here. But you're at #kohacon, so it's morning there. :) 05:29 mtompset Hi, Cait. 05:29 cait morning mtompset 05:29 huginn` mtompset: The current temperature in Dalgety Bay, United Kingdom is 10.7°C (6:15 AM BST on June 07, 2012). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Steady). 05:29 mtompset @wunder EDI 03:50 bencahill :) 03:50 mtompset Okay... have a good night, bencahill. :) 03:50 mtompset When I was in University, emacs was the rage. 03:50 bencahill But anyway, g'night...I'm just excited. :) 03:49 * bencahill actually likes pretty colors, even though he does use a tiling wm with no window borders. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, eh? 03:48 bencahill I'm sure there are a lot of other things I like in vim that vi doesn't have. Not that I'm saying vi by itself isn't awesome. ;) 03:48 mtompset BAH! If you can't see the syntax, you need glasses. :P 03:48 bencahill Um, no syntax highlighting, for one. 03:48 mtompset What's wrong with plain vi? 03:47 bencahill s/on-default/n&/ 03:47 bencahill mtompset: vi 03:47 mtompset really?! what editor is installed by default on arch linux? 03:46 bencahill mtompset: And yes, vi/vim has that awesome advantage, and I'll still use it for a lot of things. 03:46 bencahill mtompset: Eh, vim is on-default on this distro (arch) 03:45 mtompset Less installs = good. 03:45 mtompset Why install a non-default editor? 03:45 bencahill Yup 03:45 mtompset And editor? 03:45 mtompset What is Sublime Text? 03:45 * bencahill feels crazy for somewhat ditching vim so fast, but this is out of this world. 03:44 bencahill mtompset: Hey, I'm just now trying out Sublime Text (just heard of it), and it's awesome! You should give it a try. :P 03:43 mtompset Good night, bencahill. 03:43 bencahill G'night guys, I'm going to unplug because of the storm here. :) 03:24 mtompset topic? 03:24 wahanui mtompset: I forgot topic 03:24 mtompset wahanui forget topic 03:24 wahanui topic is wrong. :) 03:24 mtompset topic? 03:07 * mtompset waves to #koha folks. 03:07 * mtompset is taking a short 15 minute break. 02:50 wahanui mtompset: sure thing 02:50 mtompset Thank you, wahanui. 02:49 wahanui the irc logs are http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ 02:49 mtompset where are the irc logs? 02:42 huginn` mtompset: The current temperature in Manila, Philippines is 30.0°C (10:00 AM PHT on June 07, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 26.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). 02:42 mtompset @wunder MNL 02:41 Oak Hello mtompset :) 02:40 mtompset interesting. Hi, Oak. 02:16 Oak kia ora #koha 02:08 wajasu it only took 5 minutes to run in my /dev/shm /tmp directory. (really just waited while grabbing stuff from repos). its a good way to document what it takes. maybe it can be web hosted later and folks can generate different images. my host machine is archlinux. 02:06 wajasu i wrote a shell script that i run that uses libvirt. it grabs the debian netinst iso, and a cdrom install using a debian preseeding file, which also installs koha-common, and configures its all. now I am adding a git dev environment to it for patches. libvirt will be able to generate qcow2, vmdk, lvm, kvm based images. 02:03 mtompset For my testing purposes, I have a windows box with VirtualBox running. 02:02 mtompset What VM package are you using? 02:00 wajasu yes. i will have to do this tomorrow with a fresh generated VM and follow the install steps. :) thx 01:59 mtompset Probably a good idea to finish them first before trying to debug. :) 01:58 mtompset Ah, so you haven't finished the setup steps... 01:58 wajasu the staff interface worked. 01:58 wajasu i've just done a git pull. and edited the apache stuff. 01:58 mtompset But this is probably a newer feature. 01:58 wajasu i need to do Makefile.PL and follow the INSTALL.debian (got to get my KOHA_CONF and defined as well. 01:57 mtompset No, I don't think so. 01:53 wajasu maybe i have the /etc/koha/apache2/apache-shared.conf not mapped correctly for opac 01:52 wajasu BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /kohaclone/opac/opac-main.pl line 26. 01:52 wajasu Can't continue after import errors at /kohaclone/opac/opac-main.pl line 26 01:52 wajasu "GetDailyQuote" is not exported by the C4::Koha module 01:49 mtompset the missing library is the first one you mentioned: DateTime::Format::MySQL 01:48 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8192 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Update libraries and Missing library in install_misc/ubuntu.packages 01:48 mtompset bug 8192 01:48 mtompset I did mention ubuntu expressly in a bug report I put up recently. 01:47 mtompset Don't worry about it. I've done that before too. :) 01:46 wajasu oh yeah. i forgot. i was literraly following INSTALL.debian (should have searched). 01:46 mtompset perhaps a similar search "aptitude search datetime-timezone" might find the second. 01:45 mtompset and it found it. 01:45 mtompset I did an "aptitude search datetime-format-mysql" 01:45 mtompset I did an install attempt under Ubuntu. 01:45 mtompset Are you sure there isn't a package for the first one? 01:44 wajasu DateTime::Format:MySQL and DateTime::TimeZone 01:44 mtompset which two? 01:43 wajasu running cpan to get two perl modules 01:36 mtompset any success, wajasu? 01:19 mtompset And then figure out by looking at the code in the modules listed. 01:18 mtompset I would try to "grep -l GetDailyQuote `find .`" in your koha install. 01:17 wajasu i'll try an pull a stable release tag. 01:11 * mtompset shrugs, "I don't know." 01:08 wajasu ok. got my kvm script to build debiansqueeze+koha, and now i did a git clone and am wiring up the environment, whilst reusing the PERL5LIB. My staf admin interface works fine. The opac complained about GetDailyQuote is not exported by the C4::Koha module. Maybe its just because I pulled from the master. 00:50 mtompset Greetings, #koha folk.