Time Nick Message 23:26 drojf better get some sleep. good night 23:04 * jcamins_away kills his terminal by mistake. 23:02 jcamins_away Aaaand, that didn't work. 23:01 jcamins_away I'm sending a 640x480 video. The PIP said "just go and die." 23:01 slef my own laptop does not seem to like that display 23:00 slef bit me this morning 23:00 jcamins_away Yep. :) 23:00 slef display is as described on email 23:00 jcamins_away Okay, thanks. 23:00 slef I think we have mplayer if I have the same laptop as this afternoon so whatever you think 22:59 jcamins_away slef: mpg/ogg/what would you like? 22:59 slef jcamins_away: yep, am still here, but switching windows slowly 22:57 jcamins_away Maybe... one ogg theora/vorbis option, and one mpg/mp3 option? 22:55 drojf from a free software point of view i would say ogg theora/ vorbis, but that is just me. 22:54 jcamins_away drojf: both. 22:54 drojf jcamins_away: video or audio? 22:53 jcamins_away (MPG, OGG, etc.) 22:51 jcamins_away What format do you prefer the presentations in? 22:51 jcamins_away slef: I'm having some transcoding issues, but I think I've got it licked. 22:51 drojf slef: is there some place now where we collect all presentations? 22:51 jcamins_away slef: are you still here? 22:44 drojf had to finish my slides, took way longer than i thought :/ 22:43 slef where were youuuuu? 22:43 drojf i have a presentation now for tomorrow ;) 22:43 drojf hope you all had a nice musical evening 22:43 drojf hey slef 22:43 slef hi drojf 22:39 wahanui the sky is, like, the limit 22:39 slef wahanui: the sky 22:38 slef the sky 22:38 wahanui what's up, slef 22:38 slef hi 22:19 wajasu ok git clone just over 1GB 22:03 shari goodbye, all! 22:02 wajasu it will be nice for trying out difference distributions, or perl versions, etc. i can't wait to try to run koha unit tests. 22:01 YoungPublicLibrarian Okay, I was wrong...the report I thought was perfect was missing a few things...So, Wizzyrea, still willing to help? 21:55 wajasu does anyone know how big a git clone is in megabytes. I need to know off hand for my kvm image size build. 21:54 wajasu i saw that contribs. and i'll do that. (one shell script to run). its runs under my archlinux just fine. (it assumes one has configured a bridge to the internet right now, and dhcp assigns an ip address, but that can be added later. 21:52 wizzyrea_mib that might be cool 21:52 wizzyrea_mib oh, or, you could ask for push permission to contribs 21:52 wajasu then later in the wiki if folks want it. 21:52 jcamins_presenting :) 21:52 wajasu yes. i'll put it in pastebin, when i get the next part done. git patch support. 21:51 wizzyrea_mib ^^ this 21:51 jcamins_presenting wajasu: you should share that. :) 21:51 jcamins_presenting wajasu: oh, okay. 21:51 wajasu jcamins_presenting: no livedvd. just a script that i wrote that pulls abd builds from deb repos, and with a debian preseed file that does all the koha needed cusomizations. 21:50 * wizzyrea_mib does not spew on druthb 21:50 druthb oi! Careful with the spew, wizzyrea...I'm in the line of fire. 21:50 bag like wizzyrea_mib is all spy like 21:50 wizzyrea_mib or the MIB 21:50 * wizzyrea_mib was in a wow guild once called the "merciless iry brigade" 21:50 wizzyrea_mib because I'm using a <spew> windows computer 21:50 bag I was totally thinking it was Men In Black… 21:49 bag heh that's why I thought of you mtj 21:49 mtj bag: short for mibbit.. 21:49 mtj bag: not now please! i'm building my radio-controlled cat-helicopter... 21:49 druthb m-i-b-bit, bag. 21:49 bag wizzyrea_mib: what's m i b ? 21:48 bag ;) 21:48 wizzyrea_mib someone was in earlier having trouble with indexing 21:48 bag mtj make sure you have your sound on when you watch that 21:48 wajasu now, i am working on adding git based dev environment for patches. 21:48 mtj wajasu: congrats... 21:47 jcamins_presenting wajasu: oh, did you did the livedvd? 21:47 bag mtj http://jezebel.com/5916095/teeny-tiny-pig-overcomes-his-fear-of-stairs-to-get-to-a-bowl-of-delicious-oatmeal 21:47 wizzyrea_mib that would be pretty huge. 21:47 wizzyrea_mib and bsz\ 21:47 wizzyrea_mib yes, and I think if we got MDAH to turn theirs off 21:47 wajasu i've got my shell script that can create a debiansqueeze+mysql+apache2+koha-common (it creates a kvm image file via libvirt/virsh in 5min with debian network install.iso and the image in my /dev/shm /tmp directory. upon boot its ready on port 80/8080) . 21:46 mtj thats my hunch...? 21:46 mtj looking like the short version is... footer links to $your_domain is a no-no ? 21:44 wizzyrea_mib so that it seems relevant 21:44 wizzyrea_mib another option would be to give the syspref several different options of what to use as link back 21:44 jcamins_presenting However, the first part recorded fine. 21:43 wizzyrea_mib that's common :) 21:43 * jcamins_presenting can't watch himself. 21:42 wizzyrea_mib it's ALL about relevancy now 21:42 * jcamins_presenting apologizes in advance to the non-native English speakers in Edinburgh. 21:42 wizzyrea_mib if the link text doesn't contain a keyword it may help, I mean. 21:42 jcamins_presenting I have the weirdest accent. 21:41 wizzyrea_mib it *may* help? 21:41 jcamins_presenting I _do_ say "aboot." 21:41 wizzyrea_mib I took off the SEO plugin that did a lot of keywords 21:41 jcamins_presenting Oh my. 21:40 wizzyrea_mib yep, that was the example that I found that seemed most like ours 21:39 mtj thanks $god we can now use our google-anal data to help solve the problem, at least 21:36 mtj ... looks like kc.org is in a similar situ to wpmu.org 21:35 mtj interesting -> http://www.seomoz.org/blog/how-wpmuorg-recovered-from-the-penguin-update 21:33 * druthb makes funny faces at jcamins_presenting 21:32 * jcamins records his presentation. 21:32 magnuse have fun, #koha! 21:32 magnuse wow, time to catch some sleep 21:30 druthb shari++ 21:30 druthb jcamins++ 21:28 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7936 major, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Signed Off , general ticket for 3.8 help file updates 21:28 jcamins There we go. Another followup attached to bug 7936. 21:27 magnuse wizzyrea++ 21:27 YoungPublicLibrarian Yes, thank you Wizzyrea! You have been a great help! 21:26 wizzyrea_mib later sekjal 21:26 wizzyrea_mib woot :) 21:26 sekjal alrighty, time for me to jet off for the night. cheers, #koha! 21:26 YoungPublicLibrarian Yes and no. I can't get the silly thing to run, but someone else in the consortium took it and tweaked it a bit and now it runs fine. So thanks for the help and I think we got it now! 21:24 wizzyrea_mib YoungPublicLibrarian: any luck? 21:23 huginn` druthb: "rangi": 588, "oleonard": 512, "wizzyrea": 342, "jcamins": 318, "gmcharlt": 311, "chris_n": 300, "cait": 291, "sekjal": 237, "paul_p": 226, "nengard": 216, "kf": 186, "magnuse": 166, "slef": 153, "druthb": 145, "eythian": 97, "fredericd": 71, "hdl": 68, "biblibre": 64, "hdl_laptop": 60, "jwagner": 54, "marcelr": 52, "kmkale": 46, "thd": 46, "atz": 44, and "pianohacker": 39 21:23 druthb @most increased 21:22 huginn` jcamins: Karma for "jcamins_away" has been increased 14 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 14. 21:22 jcamins @karma jcamins_away 21:22 huginn` wizzyrea_mib: Karma for "wizzyrea" has been increased 342 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 342. 21:22 wizzyrea_mib @karma wizzyrea 21:22 huginn` jcamins: Karma for "jcamins" has been increased 318 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 317. 21:22 jcamins @karma jcamins 21:22 wizzyrea_mib and/or, you just need to take out the line breaks in the report 21:22 druthb shari++ 21:22 wizzyrea_mib I think you have a rogue space before the report sql 21:22 huginn` shari: Karma for "shari" has been increased 4 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 4. 21:22 shari @karma shari 21:21 huginn` shari: Highest karma: "rangi" (583), "oleonard" (507), and "wizzyrea" (342). Lowest karma: "<!" (-109), "failed" (-83), and "-" (-50). 21:21 shari @karma 21:21 YoungPublicLibrarian Okay, so you think I have a rogue space somewhere? 21:19 wizzyrea_mib that was for you YoungPublicLibrarian 21:18 wizzyrea_mib so the problem may be that you have a space at the beginning of the report 21:18 wizzyrea_mib <<Pick your branch|branches>> is what's in the documentation 21:17 YoungPublicLibrarian *Wizzyrea_mib (sorry, apparently can't type...) 21:16 YoungPublicLibrarian Wizzrea_mib: It did not. It gives me this error - <h1>Software error:</h1> <pre>Can't use an undefined value as an ARRAY reference at /home/koha/kohaclone/reports/guided_reports.pl line 618. </pre> <p> For help please send mail to the webmaster (<a href="mailto:staff@bywatersolutions.com">staff@bywatersolutions.com</a>) gi 21:16 druthb the 952 formatting is a little tetchy. if stuff isn't in just the right place, then the items won't get imported. 21:15 atmanning this last install (3.8 on Ubuntu 10.04) imported with no modification of export from Winnebago, but then I have problems with items showing up in searches 21:14 druthb atmanning: You'll probably need to rearrange the item data fields some; MARCEdit can do that, or write a little perl script. 21:12 sekjal atmanning: sounds like the packages will work very well for you 21:11 wizzyrea_mib YoungPublicLibrarian: did it work? 21:09 atmanning I am testing whether this will work to port our library from Winnebago - hoping to import 135K marc records after successful install 21:06 sekjal atmanning: are you looking for an installation to test using, or did you want to be edit/add to the code? 21:06 YoungPublicLibrarian Awesome! Thanks Wizzyrea_mib! You've been an awesome help! 21:06 wizzyrea_mib yep 21:05 jcamins The 3.6 packages are still on an underpowered server of mine, though. 21:05 YoungPublicLibrarian Okay, so now if I want the borrowers address there as well I can just add things like b.address, b.city, b.state, b.zip...etc? Is that right? 21:05 atmanning Downloading squeeze now.... Will be testing in virtualbox... 21:04 jcamins atmanning: yes, that's the best way to do it. 21:04 magnuse atmanning: "sudo apt-get install koha-common" - that will install all the dependencies 21:04 pastebot "wizzyrea" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "for YoungPublicLibrarian" (16 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/433 21:03 magnuse atmanning: on debian you can install with packages: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.8_on_Debian_Squeeze 21:03 jcamins atmanning: Debian 6.0.5 = Squeeze. 21:03 atmanning not debian 6.0.5 (latest stable)? 21:03 YoungPublicLibrarian I tried to use the Runtime video as a guide, but it came back with an error when I ran it... 21:02 wizzyrea_mib one min. 21:02 wizzyrea_mib YoungPublicLibrarian: ez 21:02 wizzyrea_mib aha 21:02 wizzyrea_mib but that's just me 21:02 YoungPublicLibrarian I want to use the generic report for "Fines w/ Patron & Item Info" from the "SQL Reports Library - Koha Wiki", but I want to have it ask to select a branch before running the report. 21:02 wizzyrea_mib you know, personally, I'd go for 3.6 21:02 druthb Debian Squeeze. 3.6.x or 3.8.x, dealers' choice. 21:01 atmanning I thought the live DVD thing was a great deal but I'm not so sure anymore.... 21:01 wizzyrea_mib debian squeeze. 21:01 wizzyrea_mib most people use debian, and it's got the fewest real gotchas. 21:01 atmanning Is there a general consensus on the best platform for a fresh install? I wanted to use Ubuntu 12.04 and Koha 3.8 21:01 wizzyrea_mib harsh! 21:01 jcamins Soon to switch to Debian, 'cause I got angry with 12.04, and don't believe in second chances. 21:01 wizzyrea_mib I run one server on ubuntu, simply because I needed it right away and the OS was already installed :) 21:01 jcamins I have one production server running Ubuntu 10.04. 21:00 magnuse (not in production, though) 21:00 * magnuse too 21:00 * wizzyrea_mib runs it on ubuntu too 20:59 sekjal I'm running Koha on Ubuntu right now (as I type) 20:59 jcamins Though I only use Debian anymore. 20:59 jcamins I wanted to clarify that Ubuntu was close enough for Debian for Koha work. 20:59 wizzyrea_mib ^^ this 20:59 sekjal there is enough divergence in what's in Ubuntu that it can sometimes create surprising 'gotchas' 20:59 wizzyrea_mib YoungPublicLibrarian: go 20:59 druthb "Debian variation" != "Debian." 20:59 wizzyrea_mib it is a debian variant, but not debian :) 20:59 sekjal atmanning: you are correct 20:59 jcamins atmanning: no, you are correct. :) 20:59 YoungPublicLibrarian Okay, I have a report question if someone has time... 20:58 atmanning I thought Ubuntu *is* Debian variation - am I wrong? 20:58 huginn` druthb: 2 found: #16: "< wizzyrea> i mean, the point of american bacon..." and #17: "<wizzyrea> holy flaming bacon batman!" 20:58 druthb @quote search bacon 20:58 huginn` wizzyrea_mib: Quote #23: "<gmcharlt> /msg huginn register nick password" (added by wizzyrea_ at 04:25 PM, August 06, 2009) 20:58 wizzyrea_mib @quote get 23 20:58 wizzyrea_mib no, uh.... 20:58 huginn` wizzyrea_mib: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 20:58 wizzyrea_mib @quote get 123 20:57 jcamins CentOS is only recommended if you feel that your anticipated lifespan is too long. 20:57 wizzyrea_mib http://koha-community.org/download-koha/ 20:57 druthb magnuse: you could create a button that says, "delete all these", that actually truncates the table, not just the ones showing on the screen. that's a good idea. Suuuuure. 20:57 jcamins Or Ubuntu. 20:57 jcamins Debian! 20:57 wizzyrea_mib most people use debian. 20:57 atmanning hmm.... the install instructions said cpan for missing dependencies... I'm happy to try something better supported... there seem to be several versions floating around. What is the recommended platform? CentOS? 20:57 wizzyrea_mib afaik 20:57 wizzyrea_mib it's not uniform, magnuse 20:56 jcamins Koha on Ubuntu is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Ubuntu 20:56 magnuse is there a preferred way to delete things in the staff client? js-confirmation dialog v.s. an extra html confirmation page v.s. just delete once "delete" is clicked? 20:56 jcamins ubuntu? 20:56 jcamins koha on ubuntu? 20:55 jcamins atmanning: pretty much everything is packaged. 20:55 YoungPublicLibrarian Hello druthb! 20:55 jcamins atmanning: you wouldn't have needed CPAN. 20:55 * druthb waves at YoungPublicLibrarian. 20:54 atmanning did that - I'm now an expert at cpan, but it couldn't resolve them all 20:54 jcamins They tell you how to install the dependencies. 20:54 jcamins atmanning: you should always read through the installation instructions. 20:53 atmanning I'm happy to use something else if I well get better performance long term.. I first tried an install of community version on Ubuntu 12.04 - tons of missing dependencies when running perl Makefile.PL, backed down to Ubuntu 10.04 - same problems, so I gave up and tried the live DVD 3.2 - big MARC import bug- now 3.8 live DVD - MARC imports worked ... 20:53 sekjal atmanning: yes, the 1/2 screen of messages are the first place to look: will give us some clues as to what's working and what (if anything) is not 20:51 wizzyrea_mib :) 20:51 jcamins atmanning: use paste.koha-community.org 20:51 wizzyrea_mib you can use paste.koha-community.org 20:51 atmanning you want me to paste the output here? it's 1/2 a screen of messages... no apparent errors 20:51 jcamins atmanning: unfortunately, none of us have ever heard of this livecd, so chances are good we won't be able to help much. 20:51 wizzyrea_mib though I've not ever looked at that dvd before. 20:51 wizzyrea_mib a good plan :) 20:50 atmanning I just jumped in trying to get help with a new Koha install - looking for help from wise people here.. 20:50 sekjal atmanning: are there any error lines output by the script? 20:49 atmanning the faq referred to the script misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -r -v which I have run a few times 20:49 jcamins I have absolutely no idea who that is. 20:49 jcamins Huh. 20:49 atmanning I had that faq and did run that script (before manually attempting to change the item count on one book and changed location after adding authorized values for LOC) - this is all very confusing grrr... 20:47 atmanning I found the koha 3.8 live DVD found on sourceforge: sourceforge.net/projects/kohalivedvd-mk/?source=directory 20:47 magnuse :-) 20:47 wizzyrea_mib *nod* i know how that goes :) 20:47 magnuse perhaps on friday? 20:47 magnuse wizzyrea_mib: nope, things take a little time 20:46 wizzyrea_mib magnuse - the fam home yet? 20:46 shari Indeed! 20:46 wizzyrea_mib ^^ 20:46 magnuse shari: and you have #koha, full of wonderful people 20:46 magnuse koha_bootcamp++ 20:45 magnuse yay! 20:45 shari I do have an in-house tutor. 20:45 shari Perhaps this summer will be a koha bootcamp for me. 20:45 shari Brain needs a rest now. I'm new at this. 20:45 shari I'll be working on more patches later, I think. 20:44 jcamins Where did you get a LiveDVD, BTW? 20:44 jcamins atmanning: take a look at the FAQ I just linked to. 20:43 atmanning I can't even seem to be able to manually update my catalog - do I have to run this zebra script every time? it takes about 1/2 hour! 20:43 wahanui faq is found at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ 20:43 jcamins faq? 20:42 atmanning I am frustrated with koha after bringing in MARC records nothing is showing up in my catalog - what is wrong? Using 3.8 that came with the live DVD iso 20:39 magnuse shari: keep the patches coming and there will be more :-) 20:38 shari thanks for the karma! 20:36 magnuse shari++ 20:28 mtj hi hi yourself :) 20:27 kathryn and hi mtj! 20:27 kathryn mtj: good tip! 20:26 mtj kathryn, i bet he has more stashed in his top-draw 20:26 magnuse bencahill: thanks! 20:24 * kathryn sits by herself and eats the chocolates on eythian's desk 20:24 kathryn hi everyone especially rangi and eythian :) 20:22 wahanui confusing is "Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?" 20:22 trea confusing? 20:17 wahanui patches are on the bug 20:17 shari patches! 20:17 shari yay! 20:17 * jcamins is just about to sign off on a patch by shari. :) 20:15 jcamins :) 20:15 jcamins sekjal: I'm glad you like it. 20:11 bencahill_lunch magnuse: I haven't been on in a while, but congrats! :) 20:09 chris_n mtj: don't you have work to do? ;-) 20:02 wizzyrea_mib pop u larity :) 19:58 sekjal coming up with a more efficient means of getting biblio data may just be a project of it's own 19:58 sekjal and what you're saying about code atomicity and cleanliness is very valid 19:57 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6557 normal, P3, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , biblioitems.totalissues unused 19:57 magnuse bug 6557 19:57 sekjal well documented, clean in it's implementation (nearly surgical) 19:57 sekjal jcamins: your patch for 6557 really is awesome 19:54 mtj http://motherboard.vice.com/2012/6/4/why-hate-the-catcopter-drones-are-the-real-flying-death--2 19:54 sekjal mtj: yes, last night 19:54 mtj woah, anyone seen the cat-copter yet? 19:52 wizzyrea_mib ok answered you 19:51 wizzyrea_mib uh... just got it 19:51 mtj wizzyrea: hiya - did you get my /msg before? 19:50 wizzyrea_mib yea, out of scope, definitely should be an improvement though 19:50 * jcamins is a sneaky kind of guy. 19:50 jcamins sekjal: there are sneaky ways to do better, though. 19:49 jcamins sekjal: yes, and "totalissues" is specifically about the number of times a bib had an item circulated. 19:49 sekjal out of scope 19:49 sekjal but that's complicating the algorithm 19:49 sekjal I would think that the total number of holds should also factor into a material's "popularity" 19:48 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8115 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , DOM indexing configuration should compute totalissues from items.issues 19:48 jcamins Bug 8115. 19:47 jcamins sekjal: but I want to get this in first, because it might change the way the DOM indexing bit needs to be handled. 19:47 jcamins Somewhere. 19:47 jcamins sekjal: yes, that's a follow-up bug. 19:47 sekjal is that right? 19:47 sekjal jcamins: you mention in the bug report that with DOM, the addition of item circ info could be handled at indexing time 19:46 * magnuse doesn't know the backstory, but thinks what wizzyrea_mib says sounds reasonable 19:44 wizzyrea_mib and certainly, imo, knowing what is popular today vs. what was popular 5 minutes ago... I don't see the point 19:44 * druthb chucks handfuls of Skittles at mtj. 19:44 wizzyrea_mib fwiw, I don't think that instant popularity calculation is even worth it - I don't see the point of updating that stuff more than once a day - unless you have an extremely, extremely small or particularly active catalog, the popularity of items isn't probably going to change all that much. 19:43 mtj morning #koha 19:38 jcamins The expensive thing is always going to be writing the MARC record. 19:38 jcamins That's why I recommend against enabling instant popularity update. 19:37 magnuse (nah, guess i don't really mean that, for now...) 19:37 magnuse fastest of all: get rid of it! ;-) 19:37 jcamins But computers will keep on getting faster. 19:37 sekjal efficiency is really important for anything circ related 19:37 jcamins sekjal: agreed that it'd be nice to have a faster way. 19:37 sekjal jcamins: looking at 6557 was what prompted me to think of finding some kind of faster way to store and share the MARC 19:36 magnuse thanks trea ;-) 19:36 trea manguse that's a handsome fellow! 19:36 jcamins That said, if you feel strongly, I don't care enough about code organization/duplication to argue any more than that. ;) 19:35 jcamins It means we're duplicating code everywhere that we want to update the totalissues. 19:35 jcamins sekjal: passing in $record, $frameworkcode, and $totalissues (costing logical routine separation) for a performance gain seems to be going the wrong way in terms of code cleanup. 19:34 magnuse ;-) 19:32 sekjal awww! 19:32 magnuse [off] http://www.enger.priv.no/lpbs/leonard.jpg 19:32 jcamins sekjal: adding a follow-up for 6557. 19:31 magnuse druthb: thanks! 19:31 druthb congrats, magnuse! jcamins just showed me the picture. 19:31 magnuse sekjal: thanks! ;-) 19:31 sekjal magnuse: yes, congratulations indeed! 19:25 magnuse jcamins: thanks! 19:25 jcamins magnuse: congratulations! 19:25 * magnuse waves to druthb 19:24 * druthb waves to magnuse. 19:22 magnuse MARC must die! 19:20 sekjal hmm, yes, folks are depending on that as a workaround to get non-mapped MARC fields 19:17 jcamins We'd also need the marcxml for reporting. 19:16 sekjal would save on processing, and we could access the object directly with SQL, instead of having to use GetMarcBiblio or the like 19:14 jcamins I'm not sure that using a MARC::Record object abstracts significantly, but it does seem like an improvement anyway. 19:14 sekjal jcamins: so long as it's not relatively worse, it's all okay by me 19:13 jcamins sekjal: at least, no worse than with MARCXML. 19:13 sekjal ... I'm liking this. let's us abstract the data structure from the presentation a little bit more 19:12 jcamins Serialize it with Data::Dumper. 19:12 jcamins sekjal: not very. 19:12 sekjal hmmm, how susceptible to corruption would the stored MARC::Record object be/ 19:11 jcamins Nor the binary MARC. 19:11 jcamins At no point is MARCXML used directly. 19:11 sekjal save on processing 19:11 sekjal ... yeah, I think this might be a good thing. store the data in the format it's most often used 19:09 jcamins We still have to deserialize the XML into a MARC::Record for indexing. 19:08 sekjal but doing that every X seconds is less intense that reading/writing it for every single biblio-modifying transaction 19:07 sekjal well, at least for XML-based indexers 19:07 sekjal we'd still have to pass MARCXML for indexing 19:06 jcamins sekjal: I like this idea. 19:05 sekjal then we could get that data structure without having to invoke MARC::Record every time to serialize and deserialize from the binary or xml 19:05 jcamins sekjal: intriguing. 19:04 sekjal random idea: what if, instead of storing the binary MARC record in biblioitems.marc, we stored the MARC::Record object? 19:00 mgeist Gotta boot to my XP partition, so I will be back later. 18:53 sekjal yes, it's not the most intuitive name for the function, I'll give you that 18:52 sekjal ah 18:52 YoungPublicLibrarian Yes, I've watched quite a few of them. I just didn't realize Runteime Parameters in SQL was what I was looking for... :/ 18:52 sekjal she takes requests 18:52 sekjal there are lots of other Koha videos, too, most of them produced by our documentation manager Nicole Engard (nengard) 18:51 sekjal YoungPublicLibrarian: glad to help :) 18:50 YoungPublicLibrarian Thank you sekjal! That was perfect! 18:41 sekjal http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yjz_o3-SRQU 18:40 sekjal YoungPublicLibrarian: have you used the Runtime Parameters in SQL reports? 18:38 YoungPublicLibrarian Anyone, any advice? 18:33 YoungPublicLibrarian Hello everyone, I am in need of assistance with writing a Fines and Fees report for my library. I need help writing some code into it that will designate the patron's homebranch or allow us to select the homebranch at the beginning of the report. 18:26 mbalmer anybody speaks gaelic and can translate? 17:32 bencahill_lunch I haven't done this before; let's hope I don't burn them... 17:29 * bencahill_lunch is cooking some hotdogs on an electric skillet 17:28 mgeist_lunch Its okay, you can have eggos for either meal. 17:25 paul_p lunch time ? what a strange idea ? it's dinner time !!! 17:25 bencahill_lunch SJeffery: Texas! 17:25 SJeffery All these east coast people! 17:24 bencahill Yeah, me too. 17:24 mgeist Ooh good idea 17:21 jcamins Lunch time! 17:21 wizzyrea_mib ah. 17:20 SJeffery Nah, I just don't like the name showing up in search results, and since the chan is logged... 17:20 * wizzyrea_mib notes SJeffery's skillful skirting of the question 17:19 SJeffery The corporate library that I work for:D 17:19 wizzyrea_mib lotta strands in old duder's head. 17:19 * wizzyrea_mib is forgetful, remember 17:19 wizzyrea_mib who is "us" 17:18 SJeffery I just don't want us to end up being the only ones funding every major change:D 17:18 jcamins wizzyrea_mib: good idea! 17:18 wizzyrea_mib if someone did a quote, you could like, kickstarter it or something. 17:18 SJeffery Yeah. Since it involves such a fundamental change it is probably something we would want to pull in other libraries for 17:17 wizzyrea_mib :) I'm just being *explicit* 17:17 jcamins wizzyrea_mib: well, yeah, that's what 'serious work' means. 17:17 wizzyrea_mib plus, $$ 17:17 jcamins SJeffery: don't misunderstand me... I know *how* to do it. This isn't a mystery. It's just big enough a project that it will require some serious work. 17:16 SJeffery k. Well fwiw we will be taking care of 6617 one way or another. 17:15 jcamins (to make it like that) 17:15 jcamins SJeffery: agreed. Unfortunately, it's a bit non-trivial to do it. 17:15 SJeffery *checks the LHL job openings* dangit! 17:14 wizzyrea_mib i think it's technically in MO 17:14 * mgeist grew up in KS, moved to DC for about 10 years, then moved back to KS 17:13 SJeffery Ideally showing/hiding fields in the opac/serps would be a set of simple configuration changes. 17:13 jcamins Hm. MO, apparently. 17:12 SJeffery no, Kansas City (I cant remember which side of the border it is on) 17:12 * jcamins knows the director of special collections. 17:12 jcamins Oh, the Linda Hall science library is in KS? I thought it was in Chicago. 17:12 jcamins SJeffery: we really need the ability to hide any arbitrary 5xx fields from the Description tab. 17:11 wizzyrea_mib ah yea good pt 17:11 SJeffery There is one we need to recruit to Koha! 17:11 SJeffery In fact, I was out there last October...I love the Linda Hall library 17:11 * wizzyrea_mib has lived here for... a long time. 17:10 wizzyrea_mib ohhhhhh 17:10 SJeffery (I spent 5 years in KS and sitll think of it has home) 17:10 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6617 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , table of contents not printing right if entered right 17:10 SJeffery jcamins: IMO it needs to be done. We would probably do that in combination of bug 6617, which should make a big difference. 17:10 * druthb waves at SJeffery 17:10 druthb hi, mgeist! 17:09 wizzyrea_mib sometime's I'm like a goldfish -- ooh, a bubbler! ooh, a bubbler! 17:08 wizzyrea_mib did I? 17:08 wizzyrea_mib ... i didn't know you were a fellow kansan :P 17:07 jcamins Unfortunately, that's non-trivial. 17:07 jcamins I think the conclusion I reached was that probably we need to remove the fields from the Descriptions tab. 17:04 jcamins SJeffery: yeah, I've thought about that... a lot, actually. 17:04 SJeffery No wave for me? 17:04 mgeist Still here. It set me away. I guess because im not talking? 17:04 * wizzyrea_mib waves to her fellow kansan 17:04 wizzyrea_mib oh hey, mgeist was here :) 17:01 SJeffery Does anyone have any thoughts on removing the 505/520 from the either the main display or the description tab of the opac so that it only displays once? 16:56 jcamins sekjal: funness awaits! 16:56 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6557 normal, P3, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , biblioitems.totalissues unused 16:56 wizzyrea_mib bug 6557 16:56 wizzyrea_mib popularity is officially fixed - someone QA it! 16:56 wizzyrea_mib jcamins++ 16:50 jcamins :) 16:50 jcamins paul_p: how did you do that? 16:49 jcamins paul_p: in that case, you don't have an invalid record, just an invalid marcxml blob. 16:48 * druthb blames jcamins 16:47 paul_p jcamins not sure that's it. dom indexing work without -x flag, fail with -x. it's not related to my invalid record as I thought 16:46 jcamins (and any records after it) 16:46 jcamins paul_p: GRS-1 just failed to handle those records, I think. 16:44 paul_p worked well with grs1 16:43 paul_p (in biblioitems page) 16:43 paul_p seems it happens when your records are somehow invalid 16:43 paul_p ) 16:43 paul_p 18:23:08-06/06 zebraidx(11130) [warn] extract error: generic 16:43 paul_p ^ 16:43 paul_p <record 16:43 paul_p (to say everything : Entity: line 84: parser error : Extra content at the end of the document 16:43 paul_p 18:23:08-06/06 zebraidx(11130) [warn] extract error: generic 16:43 paul_p Just for fun, I got many zebra errors, the funniest one being : 16:42 paul_p OK, I could make it work. The thing now is to make it reproductible :D (and write how I made) 16:39 jcamins paul_p++ 16:39 jcamins Ah. 16:38 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7818 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Passed QA , support DOM mode for Zebra indexing of bibliographic records 16:38 wahanui Bug 7818 is waiting for my QA. Should be pretty painless, as it works a charm. 16:38 jcamins Bug 7818 16:38 paul_p in 2 hours, we will have a scottish singer 16:38 paul_p (and except zeno, that is sitted near me) 16:38 paul_p everybody at the pub, except me who is trying to test but 7818 to push it... 16:25 * jcamins works frantically. 16:23 SJeffery lol so am I 16:12 wizzyrea_mib i'm working poor jcamins hard today 15:59 mtompset have fun discussing it. 15:59 mtompset That is one ugly bug description. 15:57 * mtompset made the same initial mistake too. 15:56 mtompset *smirk* the template extensions aren't bad... someone didn't go reading the code for the substitution in C4::Templates. :) 15:55 wahanui :) 15:55 cait wahanui botsnack luxemburgerli 15:54 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , File upload in MARC 15:54 jcamins mtompset: he's sulking because we just said bug 6874 so many times. 15:54 cait hm 15:54 mtompset where's the bot? 15:54 mtompset bug 6874 15:53 jcamins clrh: yeah, discussing bug 6874. 15:53 mtompset :/? Did I miss some context? 15:53 clrh :/ 15:52 mtompset brainwave! his email address was on some bug reports I submitted. :) 15:52 jcamins Exact same problems. 15:52 jcamins clrh: yes I did. 15:52 clrh the patches are a litle bit old, did you tested the last rebased patch? 15:51 clrh I see your comments 15:51 clrh erf 15:50 jcamins clrh: I've tried it several times, and I just can't get it to work. 15:49 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , File upload in MARC 15:49 clrh bug 6874 15:41 mtompset Be back in 10. ;) 15:40 wizzyrea_mib later :) 15:40 mtompset Good day to you, #koha folk. :) 15:39 mtompset 0 to installed in 1 day... another day to harden, reconfigure, and import data. 15:38 mtompset Enough installation work for one day. 15:38 mtompset Well, my timezone is telling me it is bed time. 15:37 huginn` mtompset: mtompset was last seen in #koha 1 minute and 23 seconds ago: <mtompset> I missed him by 8 minutes. 15:37 mtompset @seen mtompset 15:37 huginn` shari: downloading the Perl source 15:37 shari @drruthb: Pixel will protect my share. 15:37 druthb why do you think I put them at the other end of the table? At least now, I have go *get up* and go get munchies. 15:37 huginn` slef: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 16 minutes and 25 seconds ago: <gmcharlt> @quote random 15:37 slef @seen gmcharlt 15:37 huginn` slef: The operation succeeded. 15:37 slef @later tell gmcharlt mtompset would like to talk to you 15:37 cait mtompset: not usre, I haven't seen him - perhaps an autoated reconnect? 15:36 druthb shari: cait: Yes, she would eat them all up. Yes, she would. :P 15:36 mtompset I missed him by 8 minutes. 15:36 mtompset gmcharlt was here briefly. 15:36 cait I think 15:36 cait but we have to find someone who has permission to give permissions... 15:35 slef mtompset: try to update a translation and see if it no longer works? 15:35 cait yes, I think it's a permission problem 15:35 mtompset Because I am part of users and autoconfirmed users. 15:35 mtompset I was wondering if someone who does have access could tell me what groups they belong to. 15:34 cait mtompset: I am sory, we will try to work something out 15:34 mtompset Still no wiki access. 15:34 * mtompset is sad... 15:32 mtompset Hopefully it will get noticed. 15:32 mtompset I went with the latter. 15:32 mtompset There is... but is this really an internationalization problem? or is this a misc utility that needs to be deleted? 15:31 slef sorry... I'll go stand outside 15:31 mle_office I am heading back to Teviot now. 15:30 mle_office (or oh no youre not) 15:30 mle_office no your not 15:29 slef </panto> 15:29 slef I'm behind (some of) you! 15:29 cait :) 15:28 shari I've been well trained with Jared's fudge. I respect the goodies. 15:28 cait ;) 15:28 cait rangi was refusing the sweets I offered to him... so glad you know what is good 15:28 jcamins mtompset: there's no section for internationalization? 15:28 cait :D 15:27 wizzyrea_mib nomnomnomnomnom 15:27 cait chocolate .... 15:27 shari she wouldn't do that! 15:27 shari lol 15:26 wizzyrea_mib rental charges on itemtypes - makes sense but OY hard to find 15:26 cait so druthb got no chance to eat them all up *hide* 15:26 cait perfect timing then even :) 15:26 shari :-) 15:26 shari It arrived at the same time we did. 15:26 shari I'll be back to editing, and that makes one hunger for sweets. 15:26 mtompset Hmm... maybe command-line utilities? it says mainly in misc/ 15:26 shari Well, it's a bit early for chocolates, but very soon I'll be indulging, I'm sure. 15:25 cait I got worried it wouldn't make it in time 15:25 cait so glad the package finally arrived 15:25 shari I'm looking forward to digging in. 15:25 cait hope you like it! 15:25 shari hi! thanks for the box of goodies! 15:25 * cait waves too 15:25 cait hi shari :) 15:25 * jcamins welcomes Shari to the #koha IRC channel. 15:25 wizzyrea_mib heya :) 15:25 shari hello! 15:24 jcamins mtompset: I think there's translation/i13n? 15:24 mtompset component, I should say. 15:24 mtompset jcamins, what category do you think this deprecated misc/translator/update.pl should be under? 15:23 mtompset I've been hoping to see you, gmcharlt, so I could confirm my email address which I registered with the Wiki. 15:22 mtompset Ah! I see gmcharlt. :) 15:22 mle_afk play with the bot 15:21 wizzyrea_mib mle what are you wanting to do? 15:21 mle_afk : p 15:21 huginn` mle_afk: (command <network> <command> [<arg> ...]) -- Gives the bot <command> (with its associated <arg>s) on <network>. 15:21 mle_afk @help command 15:21 huginn` mle_afk: Error: There is no command "commands". 15:21 mle_afk @help commands 15:21 huginn` mle_afk: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. 15:21 mle_afk @help 15:20 huginn` gmcharlt: Quote #197: "<chris_n> half-baked things are asking for trouble" (added by slef at 04:10 PM, April 05, 2012) 15:20 gmcharlt @quote random 15:17 mtompset translate has 2010 in the (c) 15:15 jcamins mtompset: not sure, exactly. A while ago. 15:14 mtompset when was it deprecated? 15:13 jcamins Eventually the script will be removed, I think. 15:13 jcamins mtompset: definitely a bug, though. I'd report it. 15:13 jcamins mtompset: okay, good. 15:13 gaetan_B bye ! 15:13 mtompset I'm not using it... I was just looking for perl use statements, to make sure the package lists were up to date. 15:12 jcamins Use translate. 15:12 jcamins It's deprecated. 15:12 jcamins mtompset: don't use update.pl. 15:09 mtompset in the misc/translator/update.pl program. 15:09 mtompset use lib '/home/chris/git/koha.git'; 15:09 mtompset okay, okay... a weirdness got my attention before getting to bed. 15:04 jcamins Heh. 15:04 chris_n although the intelligent part is in question 15:04 chris_n imb == intelligent mail barcode 15:04 jcamins Ah. 15:04 chris_n I need to cook up a module to interface some perl scripts with the usps imb c libs 15:03 jcamins chris_n: why are you learning XS? 15:03 * chris_n is learning perl xs foo 15:03 jcamins :) 15:03 chris_n cool 15:02 jcamins chris_n: no, we're enjoying cait's chocolate. 15:02 mgeist jcamins had fudge and didnt bring any to nekls yesterday? Im hurt. 15:02 chris_n jcamins: out delivering fudge? 15:01 jcamins cait++ 14:50 mtompset Bye, mle_afk. 14:50 * mle_afk waves to mtompset 14:49 mtompset Have a good day, bencahill. 14:49 mtompset Well, I think I'll call it a day. 14:41 bencahill slef: How's the video/storage working out? 14:40 mtompset I just emailed off that PDF link to my colleagues on this koha project I'm involved with. 14:39 mtompset Has anyone seen gmcharlt or thd-away` 14:39 * bencahill pulls out his gaffer's tape and tapes the stick to the wall 14:39 bencahill hey! 14:39 bencahill lol 14:39 * mtompset uses the poking stick excessively on bencahill. 14:39 bencahill My brother once ran an 11:18... o_O 14:39 mtompset On second thought... 14:38 bencahill *hehe 14:38 bencahill hhe 14:38 mtompset bencahill and I were talking bash earlier. We have an understanding. ;) 14:38 bencahill mtompset: I was just saying that I can expect myself to run faster since I'm younger. :P ;) 14:38 * mtompset laughs, "It's okay." 14:38 * talljoy hands poking stick to mtompset. lol 14:37 bencahill :( 14:37 * mtompset jabs the young one for disrspecting his elders. ;) 14:37 bencahill mtompset: Right, that's what I figured. ;) 14:37 mtompset I'm over double your age. ;) 14:35 rangi mle_afk: ooh thanks 14:35 bencahill mtompset: How old are you? I'm 18, and going to Basic Training (although not military) in 7 weeks. To get PT Excellence, I need to be faster than 12:54 14:33 mtompset Of course, I doubt I could do it in 20 minutes now. 14:33 mtompset 18:36... that's better than my 20 minutes. 14:32 mle_afk rangi: best ale pub http://www.list.co.uk/place/102899-the-cloisters/ 14:32 bencahill I ran 2 miles in 18:36 :( ...gotta work on that... 14:22 mtompset much less now, which is good. I can focus on my strengths. :) 14:22 mtompset not all the time, thankfully. :) 14:21 slef mtompset: you do cust support? 14:21 mtompset I have to bite my tongue when I think of users having a capital silent L. ;) 14:20 jwagner thanks -- I shut down a lot of my normal desktop stuff so I wouldn't get interrupted -- needed to reboot to get it all back :-) 14:18 slef wb jwagner 14:16 mtompset Nice PDF presentation! 14:15 slef I am juggling again 14:14 slef blurgh 14:14 slef and we mosee pdf link now mtompset 14:14 mtompset DOH! I can't join, because the meeting is over. :( 14:13 SJeffery Wow, that is a great presentation. I have a meeting with all of our staff on Monday and I will make use of that. 14:12 jwagner I'm going to reboot to get my normal setup back -- will be back online in a couple of minutes 14:12 francharb thank you 14:12 francharb great! 14:11 francharb :) 14:11 francharb jwagner, the sound was ok 14:11 wahanui i guess on the wiki is more information about the packages 14:11 francharb on the wiki 14:11 francharb will your slides available 14:10 jwagner francharb, thanks -- how was the audio? 14:10 francharb ;) 14:10 francharb thank you 14:10 francharb jwagner, don't have any question for now but your presentation was very interesting! 14:09 mtompset Meeting number? 14:06 slef but we fell back to phone for sound 14:06 slef http://ptfs.webex.com/ if you want to watch slides 14:05 slef hehe 14:04 mtompset Seeing as I am not at #kohacon12, no questions. :P 14:04 slef may be as easy here 14:03 slef any questions? 14:03 slef any feedback for jwagner? 14:01 slef ok I go kick mjkaye 14:00 slef can someone come get mic2 for questions please? 14:00 mtompset Hello again, bencahill. 13:59 bencahill mtompset: Good evening ;) 13:59 bencahill heh 13:58 mtompset Wow, lots of people... just not one of the two people I want here. ;) 13:58 slef jcamins: ok we have changedlaptop but = will install linphone and co tonight 13:58 rangi slef: ? 13:58 slef ;( 13:57 jcamins And, of course, if it doesn't work I can just phone in. 13:57 slef is edi not as special as nz? 13:57 cait so wh did we start talking japanese? 13:57 jcamins slef: I'd prefer linphone. I'll be at NEKLS during the Q & A, so we'll need to test from there. 13:57 slef francharb: oi is more what do you mean by that 13:57 cait kurisumasu 13:57 cait or 13:56 cait hea pin 13:56 cait hm actually that looks wrong 13:56 rangi my fave is still iceu creamu 13:56 cait rangi: douzu yorushiko 13:56 wizzyrea 1 million+ identical backlinks from a single site = bad. 13:56 huginn` bencahill: The current temperature in RAWS HENDERSON TX US, Minden, Texas is 23.9°C (8:06 AM CDT on June 06, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Falling). 13:56 bencahill @wunder 75654 13:56 francharb that's what I heard 13:55 rangi komban wa, kore wa chris desu 13:55 slef jcamins: cool. do you want to phone in fo q and a or linphoneor what? 13:55 francharb or something like that. 13:55 sekjal meeting time (about Ex Libris' Aleph... must control my disdain) 13:55 francharb slef : does "oi" really mean "hey you"? 13:55 wizzyrea Google was also hitting websites for aggressive anchor text for keywords in backlinks even before Penguin. Post-Penguin, anchor text diversity becomes more critical. < this is what our problem is, I think. 13:55 cait doumo arigatou gozaimasu? 13:55 jcamins slef: I'm going to be recording my talk today, and uploading it so you can play it tomorrow. 13:55 slef ignore me 13:55 rangi su mi ma sen 13:55 slef wizzyrea: I managed to post a new atta... wait no another topic... 13:54 cait desu 13:54 cait oishii dese ne! 13:54 rangi yep 13:54 asaurat cait: yeaaah oishiii 13:54 cait means delicious in japanese? 13:54 bencahill oiboiy 13:54 rangi i know 13:54 rangi oishi 13:54 francharb oï 13:54 cait wizzyrea: hope it's all yummy and you enjoy it :) 13:53 rangi oi? 13:53 wizzyrea slef: I haven't had a chance to look at your link yet 13:53 * bencahill is going to go run now (2 miles) :) 13:53 slef oi 13:53 bencahill cool 13:53 wizzyrea well, it's ever so much more special when it actually comes from the place it was made :D 13:53 rangi yep, day 2 today 13:53 bencahill It's active in here this morning! Is the conference still in action? 13:53 cait didn't know for example you had haribo (although i should have guessed that) 13:52 cait hard to find something that is not already sold in US! 13:52 wizzyrea they sell all kinds of things :) 13:52 cait oh :) 13:52 wizzyrea our little european market here 13:52 wahanui bonjour, libcoop 13:52 libcoop hi 13:52 cait au marche? 13:52 rangi hi libcoop 13:52 * wizzyrea will go try to find one just like it at au marché 13:52 cait jcamins: :) thx! 13:52 slef ok we are running 13:51 * jcamins tries to think of an additional pro to the "traditional" workflow for analytics, so that the slide will be balanced. 13:51 * druthb will be brining goodies from Germany to NEKLS this morning, once we all get stirring around. 13:51 wizzyrea aww, that's ok :) it's hot here. 13:51 cait I hear the coconut chocolate has melted :(that one was especially for you 13:51 * druthb offers hugs. 13:51 druthb wizzzzeeeeeee! 13:51 cait I was really worried by now! 13:51 wizzyrea yep! 13:51 wizzyrea :D 13:50 cait my surprise arrived!!! 13:50 cait hi wizzyrea :) 13:50 wizzyrea heya 13:50 rangi hi wizzyrea 13:49 cait hi mveron :) 13:45 mtompset I blink, and there's conversation! 13:40 drojf corneliusbeers.com even 13:40 drojf that cornelisbeers.com shop looks quite nice 13:36 * talljoy will settle for sparkly or just plain shiny 13:36 medmondson talljoy: wot bags themselves are not enough, sigh. ; ) 13:35 rangi w00t! 13:35 NateC I thought so too 13:35 talljoy conference bags full of awesome bling? 13:35 NateC :) 13:35 sekjal NateC: awesome. flat out 13:35 medmondson conference bags have been located and are noW in conference-organisers possesion EVEN 13:34 medmondson ack 13:34 medmondson woop woop 13:34 medmondson conference bags have been located and are not in conference-organisers possesion 13:34 medmondson newsflash ##### 13:33 medmondson very special 13:32 NateC heh 13:32 cait ouch 13:32 rangi thats a shiny endorsement of voyager :) 13:31 medmondson : > 13:31 rangi hehe 13:31 NateC "Working with our old ILS was like licking the anus of a dead squirrel that’s laying bloated in the sunshine in the middle of the road on a hot summer day. And there was also a negative side. Koha is a wonderful improvement." 13:31 * rangi waits 13:31 NateC I wanted to add this to our press release for them but decided to go with a less colorful one 13:31 rangi maybe we can do a craft beer night one of the evenings 13:31 NateC I thought you might like to hear a recent quote from one of our newly switched library partners (Ex Voyager Library) 13:30 medmondson rangi: http://www.brewdog.com/ these guys rock. 13:30 rangi ahh bus, good idea 13:29 rangi NateC: yeah it's going well 13:29 slef final tips from nengard 13:29 medmondson 25/30 minutes walk. short bus 13:29 medmondson not really 13:29 medmondson last night I was drinking kriek 13:29 rangi is it near the uni? 13:29 medmondson oh yes 13:29 rangi ohhh 13:29 medmondson rangi. I just moved near here: http://www.corneliusbeers.com/ its by far the best in Edinburgh and is the most impressive rare/weird alcohol retailer that I have ever found 13:29 NateC Hi Everyone! I hope the conference is going well! 13:28 rangi saturday sounds like a good idea 13:27 slef am yellow carding nengard meanly 13:26 slef saturday maybe 13:25 rangi i have wine for you .. also not with me :) 13:25 slef not with me today 13:25 slef rangi I have beer for you... 13:25 * medmondson rings S 13:24 medmondson Deuchars++ 13:24 slef she calledme for your number at 2 13:24 medmondson its great 13:24 rangi its an android app, like foursquare, but for beer 13:24 medmondson slef depends on when i was meant to call her 13:24 medmondson rangi I like your beer tracking page. 13:24 slef cool I think 13:24 slef riiight... so she has your number 13:23 medmondson slef I called S just before she went into the delicery depot 13:23 slef hi 13:22 slef he medmondson ... can you call S if you have not spoken with her? 13:22 slef bbc will have pics but Iam text only here 13:22 slef one of their truck got stuck in Somerset 13:21 cait slef: i told him, he likes it 13:21 medmondson irn bru++ 13:21 slef sticky too 13:21 rangi thats a good rule 13:21 rangi heh 13:21 slef anything that bright orange cannot be good 13:21 rangi im pretty sure there is the same amount of sugar as there is fluid in it 13:20 rangi im currently drinking an irn bru 13:18 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?" 13:18 slef first question 13:17 slef got to stop drinking coffee now... 13:17 sekjal rangi: nice! 13:16 rangi yup 13:16 slef all ok back there? 13:16 cait hi slef 13:15 rangi http://untappd.com/user/ranginui <-- tracking my beer drinking 13:13 slef hello everybody... 13:09 slef aha we are on 12:43 hdl samuel: pm 12:37 mtompset Sorry, it doesn't really have to do with koha, but I figured perhaps some perl geeks might be intrigued by the question. 12:36 mtompset I'm assuming it requires knowing the difference between empty keys and undef. 12:35 mtompset proper translation? 12:35 mtompset deprecated 12:35 mtompset if (! defined (%hash) ) {...} 12:35 mtompset Well, okay... here's the reason I am asking. 12:34 druthb hm.. In the past, I've never cared about the difference. I darn-near always initialize them as %hash = () on purpose. 12:31 mtompset scalar keys %hash == 0 is also true for %hash = undef; 12:21 oleonard Hi #koha 12:19 jcamins schuster: I meant, copy <VirtualHost *:80>...</VirtualHost> so that you have a third virtualhost identical to that first one. 12:18 schuster jcamins - what do you mean by end of that part? Take out the whole virtualhost? 12:17 pastebot "samuel" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "connection ldap" (33 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/432 12:16 druthb mtompset: The second one can be found with "if (scalar keys %hash == 0) { " 12:16 jcamins schuster: but the suggestion still stands. 12:16 jcamins Well, that was a pretty incoherent sentence. 12:15 jwagner drojf, calling now 12:15 hdl mtompset: http://www.cs.mcgill.ca/~abatko/computers/programming/perl/howto/hash/ 12:14 hdl %has('a'=>'q') : no way 12:14 hdl our undef %hash 12:14 hdl %hash=() 12:13 hdl And not NameVirtualHost *:port 12:13 jcamins schuster: if you copy from <VirtualHost *:80> to the end of that part, then adjust the ServerName to "001.catalog.pisd.edu", try that. 12:13 hdl schuster: I would have only NameVirtualHost * 12:13 mtompset ^what^way^ 12:13 mtompset anyone here know a nice what to check between, %hash = undef, %hash = (), and %hash('a'=>'q');? 12:13 samuel hdl: ok, i'll do it :-) 12:13 jwagner OK, give me a few minutes 12:12 drojf its lunch break 12:12 druthb you're welcome, schuster. :) 12:12 drojf to test things 12:12 jwagner drojf, now? I thought it wasn't for another hour 12:12 drojf jwagner: slef asks if you could try phoning in please? 12:12 schuster hey druthb... and all thanks again for helping me out. 12:11 pastebot "schuster" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "part one of koha-httpd.conf" (189 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/431 12:11 jcamins \o 12:10 druthb o/ 12:10 hdl But paste.koha-community;org 12:10 jcamins You're going to copy the entire <VirtualHost> stanza for the OPAC. 12:10 hdl not on irc. 12:10 jcamins schuster: okay, I see. 12:10 schuster Yep just a minute 12:10 mtompset those are different site names. 12:10 schuster I'm trying to do 001.catalog.pisd.edu - and it will open basically koha but with a different css 12:10 hdl schuster: would you mind pasting your koha-httpd.conf ? 12:10 mtompset that's not the default configuration. 12:09 schuster catalog.pisd.edu - koha-staff.pisd.edu:8080 - urls work. 12:09 mtompset Oh, so you want another opac on let's say 1234? 12:09 hdl samuel: paste your koha-conf (only the part for ldap mapping) on paste.koha-community.org 12:09 schuster no other websites just koha. 12:09 schuster yes that is set on koha-httpd.conf 12:08 mtompset Are any other websites running of this same machine? 12:08 schuster That is working when I do the standard, but I want to add another virtual host for the opac, with a special configuration and it won't take that. 12:08 jcamins Exactly what hdl said. 12:08 hdl or any. 12:08 jcamins schuster: if you open up the koha-httpd.conf, check that it says <VirtualHost *:80> 12:08 hdl And not xxx.xxx.Xxx:80 12:08 mtompset just a second... I just did a "fresh" install on ubuntu 12.04... let me look. 12:08 hdl *:80 12:07 hdl has : 12:07 hdl schuster: check that your vhost declaration 12:07 schuster yes 12:07 mtompset How are you planning on setting up your koha? the default way with staff client at 8080 and opac at 80? 12:05 schuster jcamins - sorry that means nothing to me.??? so what should I look at? 12:03 jcamins schuster: probably the hosts are listening on ipaddress:80 12:02 mtompset Sorry, I know nothing of LDAP. 12:02 samuel anyone with ldap knowledge? I'm also having troubles, certainly of mapping, because i've the following error "Unknown column 'flags" 12:01 * medmondson waves 12:01 * mtompset looks around. "Is anyone else here?" 12:00 schuster When I look at the configuration file I can't tell what I have done wrong. The server is up and running, but not all of my virtual hosts are accessible yet. 12:00 schuster I'm looking at koha-httpd.conf - when I restart apache I am getting NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts 11:58 jcamins_away schuster: I have a little bit of Apache knowledge. 11:57 samuel hi everybody 11:57 schuster anyone with apache knowledge here? I'm having some trouble with virtual hosts 11:07 medmondson ty rangi 11:06 rangi i will at the break 11:06 rangi i would but im about 8 rows away from her 11:06 medmondson please can someone in Teviot tell Lee that I have located bags. : ) 11:02 medmondson singer is 7.30 for 8.00 11:02 medmondson ACk 11:01 rangi i think this discussion needs to adjourn to lunchtime 10:59 medmondson if you want to google him. 10:59 medmondson singer details: Norrie 'Tago' MacIver 10:58 cait thx medmondson 10:58 medmondson it is in the same room 10:58 cait I don't know - perhaps slef can say something about it between sessions? 10:58 medmondson singer is 7.00 for 7.30 10:56 nengard or anyone - what time is the singer tonight? and is it in this room? 10:56 nengard slef around? 10:55 medmondson pls? :) 10:52 medmondson can someone in Teviot tell Lee that I am on hold about to pay customs charges for the bags. : ) groovy hold muzak. tumdee dum. 10:50 rangi yep 10:49 eythian soon there will be a package that lets you just pull in the perl deps 10:49 medmondson : ) 10:49 rangi then you can do the perl Makefile.PL and you should be all good 10:48 david right, i'll try that then 10:47 rangi ah yep, that works too, the nice thing with the koha-common package is it will pull in all the dependencies for you 10:47 david right, this'll be the first perl based environment i've put on this laptop so maybe not so surprising :) 10:47 david rangi: installing from git files with 'sudo perl Makefile.PL' 10:47 rangi that's how i install 10:47 rangi david: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.8_on_Debian_Squeeze 10:46 cait hi Oak :) 10:46 rangi are you using the packages? and yep thats about right 10:45 david i have 60 Perl pre-requisites missing when installing Koha for the first time. Is that norma? :) 10:06 Oak Ahoy me hearties in a land far far away 10:01 mtompset Bye, #koha folks. 10:00 mtompset Oh, and I think I'd like to chat more with you dpavlin regarding your PHP patchwork for SAML 2.0 authentication later. 10:00 rangi will do 10:00 mtompset I am taking off. 10:00 mtompset Well, if anyone sees gmcharlt or thd, could you ask them about wiki access for me? :) 09:58 rangi hi mrenvoize :) 09:58 mrenvoize Hi cait, and all.. 09:57 rangi phew not in 3.8.x 09:56 cait dpavlin: ouch 09:56 dpavlin s/admin/admit/ 09:55 dpavlin I must admin, I read through the code instead of using git bisect, but revert does help ;-) 09:54 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5742 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , batch edit patrons 09:54 dpavlin Bug 5742 is to blame, commmit a6c6946dfc89b523988fc9478a94040d81d287a8 -- it changes C4/Members/Attributes.pm in such way that it hungles WHERE without borrower number. 09:54 cait hi mrenvoize :) 09:50 rangi a bit of a tutorial 09:50 huginn` 04Bug 7975: blocker, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, can't use patron import 09:50 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7975#c2 09:49 cait it's fun :) 09:48 dpavlin once or twice before, but I will find my way around it ;-) 09:48 rangi dpavlin: have you used bisect before? 09:47 rangi yep 09:47 dpavlin but it's not plack related since it doesn't work in cgi mode anyway. 09:46 rangi git bisect will help you find it 09:46 rangi ahh fair enough :) 09:46 dpavlin yap. I'm testing plack on our librarians ;-) 09:46 rangi hm you run master not 3.8.x ? 09:46 rangi i hadnt noticed but will try to look 09:46 dpavlin but, it's one of changes from last two weeks because our last update worked ok. 09:45 dpavlin and on our production which was updated before comming here :-( 09:45 dpavlin yap 09:45 rangi hmm in master? 09:45 dpavlin members/memberentry.pl?op=add seems to list ALL values available in database as opposed to providing empty form to enter value. 09:44 dpavlin Did anybody saw problems with extended partron attributes lately? 09:34 * cait waves 09:28 mtompset DOH! Belated hello, david. 09:03 david morning 09:03 rangi hey david 08:55 mtompset Focus. :) 08:55 francharb I need to focus 08:54 francharb back to the presentation 08:54 francharb oh, see you later I guess... 08:54 francharb cul? 08:50 slef bbl 08:48 slef only gmc and thd? 08:48 slef can you not auth accounts? 08:47 mbalmer off to kohacon12, cul 08:47 slef eek why is my laptop messin up? 08:46 mtompset So this is a SSH access issue. 08:46 mtompset But you are listed as a bureaucrat... don't you have such access? 08:45 nengard I think it's gmcharlt 08:45 nengard I have rights to delete pages, but nothing related to users - so it's something for someone with access to the admin section of the wiki - whatever controls the sending of confirmation emails 08:43 mtompset Is this really a thd or gmcharlt problem? 08:43 mtompset Oh? But you have bureaucrat access, supposedly. 08:42 nengard mtompset unfortunatly I can't help - I know that emails aren't going out but I'm on the one who manages the wiki .... 08:42 huginn` mtompset: The operation succeeded. 08:42 mtompset @later tell nengard I was wondering if you, or someone else might be able to help get me registered with the wiki. My userid is mtompset, as I am using here on the channel. Thank you in advance! :) 08:41 francharb time to listen to the first presentation! 08:41 mtompset Ah... thanks... 08:39 matts mtompset,, it's @later tell :) 08:39 francharb ;) 08:39 huginn` francharb: The operation succeeded. 08:39 francharb @later tell mtompset hi! 08:38 mtompset @tell mtompset hello later 08:38 huginn` mtompset: Error: I haven't seen later, I'll let you do the telling. 08:38 mtompset @tell later mtompset hello 08:36 francharb hi mtompset 08:36 francharb hey jransom I'm good! you? 08:35 jransom Francois - how are you? 08:35 mtompset greetings, francharb. 08:28 francharb good morning #koha 08:26 mtompset :( 08:26 mtompset Nope. 08:25 alex_a mtompset: and you ? 08:24 alex_a mtompset: yep 08:22 mtompset Are you at #kohacon12? 08:21 alex_a mtompset: ca va très bien merci ! 08:21 alex_a mtompset: good :) 08:21 clrh :) 08:21 mtompset comme si comme ca... So so... :) 08:20 clrh mtompset: très bien et toi :) 08:19 mtompset okay, here goes my rusty french... comme ca va? (sorry, don't know how to type a cedilla) 08:18 alex_a hello mtompset 08:18 mtompset hello, alex_a 08:17 wahanui what's up, alex_a 08:17 alex_a bonjour 08:11 mtompset but the redirect command is 10 seconds. 08:11 mtompset I find it funny that the message says if it doesn't redirect you in 5 seconds... 08:10 mtompset Hello, clrh 08:09 clrh hello 08:08 mtompset Hello, matts. 08:07 matts hi ! 08:04 mtompset http://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&group=sysop 08:04 mtompset rangi said I need a bureaucrat level person to do it. :( 08:02 mtompset I'm hoping to get wiki access to contribute documentation. 08:02 mtompset oops... thd-away` 08:02 mtompset Well, if someone sees nengard, gmcharlt, or thd_away`, please let me know. 08:00 jransom nope - thats Brendan Gallagher from Bywater 07:58 mtompset unless bag = Liz. 07:58 mtompset It would seem that the mibbit irc client doesn't notify when someone connects. 07:51 jransom heya all 07:49 bag hey jransom 07:47 mtompset Hello, jransom. 07:45 jransom Millie loves her shoelaces - thank you so much or sending them 07:45 jransom Liz :) 07:40 mtompset -- that's why I stick with 'good day'. As a 24 hour period, day is always correct. ;) 07:39 mtompset afternoon. ;) 07:37 bag evening 07:36 mtompset thd-away`: are you really away? 07:34 mtompset pulling out? 07:34 slef biab, walking to teviot 07:33 slef the ones who are here are good... but some are pulling out :/ 07:32 slef stuartyeates: why aren't you here? could do with more star turns ;) 07:04 mtompset What country are you in currently? Seeing as it is 3AM EST, so I'm guessing not North or South America. :) 07:03 mtompset Neither am I. 07:03 gaetan_B mtompset: am not ;) 07:01 mtompset ^@^#^ 07:01 mtompset Are you at @kohacon12, gaetan_B? 07:00 mtompset Hello, gaetan_B. 07:00 gaetan_B hello :) 06:58 mtompset Sweet! That's my bug. :) 06:56 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8176 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , $sqlwhere is undefined in C4::Serials in GetSubscriptions 06:56 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8161 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Cataloging home page should be accessible to users with permission to edit catalog or edit items 06:56 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 8176 [SIGNED-OFF] Assign an intial value to $sqlwhere 06:56 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8161 - Cataloging home page should be accessible to users with permission to edit catalog or edit items 06:56 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #41: SUCCESS in 48 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/41/ 06:54 mtompset A bit is obviously more than 10 minutes. ;) 06:43 mtj bbiab 06:41 mtompset koha version update is the NEXT step. 06:40 mtompset I'm installing 3.6.3, so transposing data, etc. will be much easier... the goal is OS version update. :) 06:39 rangi i checked, fixed in master, 3.8.x and 3.6.x branches 06:39 rangi yep 06:39 mtompset I think it was fixed in 3.6.4 06:38 * paul_p think too 06:38 rangi ahh i think fixed already 06:38 mtompset I don't know if it is still in 3.6.5 06:38 mtompset 3.6.3 06:38 rangi what version mtompset ? 06:38 sophie_m j'arrive paul_p ;-) 06:37 wahanui bonjour, reiveune 06:37 reiveune hello 06:37 mtompset mv Reports.t db_dependent/ 06:37 mtompset mv Koha_template_plugin_KohaDates.t db_dependent/ 06:37 paul_p sophie_m = si tu veux venir petit-déjeuner, tu es la bienvenue ;-) 06:36 mtompset Oh right... I remember now... I had to move two test files while installing Koha. 06:35 sophie_m france 06:34 mtompset Yourself? 06:34 mtompset I'm a Canadian in the Philippines. 06:34 sophie_m where are you from mtompset ? 06:33 mtompset I'm not at #kohacon12. :( 06:33 mtompset intentionally a reference to when userids could only be 8 characters. :) 06:32 mtompset yes, my user id is chopped. 06:32 sophie_m ok :-) 06:32 mtompset Mark Tompsett 06:32 sophie_m hi mtompset (what is your real name ?) 06:31 mtompset Hello, sophie_m. :) 06:31 sophie_m almost, I haven't got breakfast yet 06:31 sophie_m hi rangi 06:31 rangi ready for day 2? 06:30 rangi hi sophie_m 06:23 mtompset I think I saw thd once in the last couple days. 06:23 mtompset well, thanks for the attempt, Chris. 06:22 rangi heya mtj 06:22 * mtompset has yet to see gmcharlt to be active here. 06:22 mtj (ive been tramping in sth-island for last week :) ) 06:21 * mtj waves to chris o 06:21 mtompset but bureaucrats will use the same web UI that you are trying to use? 06:21 rangi gmcharlt: about? 06:21 rangi ie, those 2 can ssh into the box 06:21 mtompset Ah.... 06:20 rangi thats quite different 06:20 mtompset perhaps even adding a see also link to the page you pointed me at would be useful. 06:20 rangi thats shell access 06:20 rangi no 06:20 mtompset The above link should have Nicole's name as person three in the first list. 06:19 mtompset http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Website_Administration#wiki.koha-community.org 06:19 mtompset Ah... so the documentation needs tweaking. 06:18 rangi you need a bureaucrat, not just an adminstrator, i can block, delete pages etc, i cant elevate privileges, only a bureaucrat can do that 06:18 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&group=sysop 06:17 mtompset unless the documentation is out of date. ;) 06:17 mtompset So, I guess it's thd or gmcharlt 06:17 mtompset nengard is not listed in the top list of two. 06:17 mtompset Says your six names. 06:17 mtompset http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Website_Administration#wiki.koha-community.org 06:16 rangi nope i cant, you need nengard, thd, or gmcharlt for that 06:14 wahanui mtompset: I forgot mtompset 06:14 mtompset wahanui forget mtompset 06:14 wahanui you are doing this with 3.6.3, which is NOT current. 06:14 mtompset mtompset 06:14 rangi maybe, what's your username? 06:13 mtompset I was hoping one of them might be able to get me wiki access. :) 06:13 mtompset I suppose you aren't any of: Galen Charlton Thomas Dukleth Nicole Engard Chris Cormack Paul Poulain Magnus Enger 06:12 mtompset good morning, Cait. 06:08 jenkins_koha Starting build #41 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 06:08 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3638 normal, P2, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , Status of hold not changed when item checked in via SIP2 Interface 06:08 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 3638 : Captured Holds may need to generate a transfer 06:08 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 3638 Self Check Should Capture Hold Items 06:08 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #40: SUCCESS in 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/40/ 06:06 cait no sun waking me up 06:06 cait quite grey outside this morning 06:00 huginn` mtompset: The current temperature in Edinburgh, United Kingdom is 11.4°C (6:59 AM BST on June 06, 2012). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Steady). 06:00 mtompset @wunder EDI 05:23 mtompset hello, jenkins_koha 05:18 jenkins_koha Starting build #40 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: FIXED) 05:12 huginn` mtompset: The current temperature in Edinburgh, United Kingdom is 11.1°C (6:12 AM BST on June 06, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Steady). 05:12 mtompset @wunder EDI 05:09 mtompset So, are any #kohacon12 folks really idling here? 04:45 mtompset use constant; 04:45 mtompset is there a constant library? 04:44 mtompset Hmm... 04:40 chilts in fact, if anything the qw(f1 f2) would probably use more, but honestly, don't worry about it 04:39 chilts better to worry about how the code looks and feels than a few bytes of memory 04:39 chilts I don't think it would make much difference and I personally wouldn't worry about it 04:33 mtompset So in terms of memory use, does Use blah::blah; use more memory than use blah::blah qw (f1 f2);? 04:32 mtompset I learned about paste.koha last night, but I just want quick and dirty. 04:32 Oak okay you guys discuss stuff, me go work on fixing my laptop. 04:31 Oak mtompset, you can also use this if you like: http://paste.koha-community.org/ 04:31 mtompset Does qw(f1 f2) reduce the amount of memory used? 04:31 mtompset There is also a use YAML::Syck; 04:30 mtompset http://mibpaste.com/KGxOOR 04:30 Oak chilts++ 04:30 chilts can't comment on that I'm afraid, don't know the source enough - but I know enough Perl to answer your previous question :) 04:29 mtompset Shouldn't this be something that is more consistent in Koha? 04:29 chilts some people like importing things into their own namespace, others don't - your judgement 04:29 chilts correct 04:29 chilts same thing 04:29 mtompset but you can't this and that directly, unless it was qw(this that)? 04:29 chilts so either you import it with qw(this) or call it using Something::Something::this 04:28 chilts and Something::Something::that 04:28 chilts the use statement brings the module in and if it doesn't import anything, you can still call Something::Something::this 04:28 chilts (assuming the module exports something by default, which it shouldn't) 04:28 mtompset then what is the point of the use statement then? 04:28 chilts if qw() is empty, it'll _not_ import anything 04:27 mtompset I'm a perl geek novice. :) 04:27 chilts use Something::Something qw(this that); # imports this and that to your namespace 04:27 mtompset Sucky... I just ran a mass grep, and was wondering what the difference between "use blah::blah;" and "use blah::blah qw();" is. 04:27 Oak perl geek i mean 04:26 Oak but you are right? 04:26 Oak but i want to become one. so i can help Koha :) 04:25 Oak nope. 04:25 mtompset You're not a perl geek, are you, Oak? 04:23 huginn` mtompset: The current temperature in Manila, Philippines is 32.0°C (12:00 PM PHT on June 06, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 26.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Falling). 04:23 mtompset @wunder MNL 04:22 mtompset That sounds much more pleasant than: 04:22 Oak good night bencahill 04:21 huginn` Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 30.0°C (9:00 AM PKT on June 06, 2012). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady). 04:21 Oak @wunder islamabad 04:21 huginn` mtompset: The current temperature in Edinburgh, United Kingdom is 11.0°C (5:20 AM BST on June 06, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Steady). 04:21 mtompset @wunder EDI 04:09 bencahill lol 04:09 bencahill cya 04:09 * mtompset laughs, "organized?!" 04:09 bencahill mtompset: Good lunch to you as well. ;) 04:08 bencahill mtompset: re: while...that's perfectly understandable 04:08 bencahill #koha and freenode/#darktable are two IRC channels I'd describe as friendly...although koha is a bit more organized :P 04:08 mtompset Have a good night, bencahill. 04:08 mtompset Anyways.. lunch for me, and bedtime for you. :) 04:08 mtompset I'm just so familiar with 'for', I hadn't got to using 'while'. :) 04:07 bencahill This is true. 04:07 mtompset that's because #koha folks are friendlier. 04:07 bencahill mtompset: np :) 04:07 bencahill No, I just mean that they don't explain things to you in long ways like I did; they whip you into shape quickly :P 04:06 mtompset thanks for the education. 04:06 mtompset I claim to write usable bash, not good bash. :P 04:06 bencahill ;) 04:06 mtompset I don't claim to be a #bash expert. 04:05 bencahill mtompset: heh, you wouldn't last long in freenode/#bash ;P 04:05 mtompset Okay, I must conceed that the while method is superior and less fraught with side effects. 04:05 * bencahill doesn't know the first thing about perl 04:04 mtompset It got me thinking that perhaps there should be a mass hunt for '' and "" in the entire koha system to bring it up to spec. 04:03 bencahill Oh, perl... 04:02 mtompset and there was a link to some Perl::Critic page. 04:02 bencahill I don't know what that is... 04:02 mtompset and some qa person asked by not ''? 04:02 mtompset which is why someone used $var = q{} 04:02 bencahill mtompset: Also, as that page talks about, bash is much more inefficient using for to read a file, because it has to read the entire file twice into memory, rather than one line at a time. 04:01 bencahill mtompset: Not everything is possible; do things the right way, and you'll be safe. :) 04:00 bencahill mtompset: Nope, read the page you linked. It's still globbing, and doesn't get empty lines. 04:00 mtompset But then while becomes shorter. ;) 04:00 mtompset You can always change IFS to be a different delimiter (eg. \n), then for works. ;) 03:59 mtompset Hmmm... looking into IFS 03:58 bencahill mtompset: I'd highly recommend reading the BashGuide on that website; it is quite short, but will correct many of the common misconceptions I'm guessing you have. :) 03:56 bencahill mtompset: Yeah, don't trust me...trust that wiki. It is awesome. 03:56 mtompset I now see what you are talking about. 03:56 bencahill mtompset: If you include quotes in yours as well (always a good thing), then it is two characters shorter...that's a very lousy excuse for using something that will fail. 03:56 mtompset Okay cool. 03:55 mtompset okay... just a second. 03:54 bencahill mtompset: while read -r line; do echo "$line"; done <test.txt 03:54 bencahill Yes. 03:54 mtompset Oh, because you want the \s on the same line? 03:54 bencahill mtompset: And you don't want to cat anyway! 03:54 bencahill mtompset: PRECISELY! for failed. 03:53 bencahill mtompset: And the 001 FAQ does...search for <( on it. 03:53 mtompset http://mibpaste.com/ea9gcW 03:52 bencahill mtompset: You mean for a command rather than a file? It's the same, just a different source of input. 03:52 mtompset It doesn't explain why you used the sample for you used. 03:52 bencahill mtompset: There are many pitfalls to using for that the wiki explains. 03:52 mtompset ef gh 03:52 mtompset Okay... let's say file X has: 03:51 mtompset That doesn't explain it. 03:51 mtompset Yes, if you next `'s you'll have to escape and it gets ugly. 03:51 bencahill mtompset: Because of the links you and I linked to. :-/ 03:51 mtompset Yes. 03:51 mtompset Why the whole $(...) mess? 03:51 bencahill mtompset: With a for loop? 03:50 mtompset Yes, but why not `...`? 03:50 bencahill mtompset: Thus, I'm running it...not reading it. 03:50 bencahill mtompset: Isn't ubuntu-pkg-check.sh something you run to get the desired output? 03:50 mtompset from the URL I have said twice. 03:50 mtompset for i in $(<afile); do echo "$i"; done 03:49 mtompset It must be late, or I'm not being clear. :) 03:49 bencahill mtompset: Where am I doing $(<file.txt) ? 03:49 mtompset http://mywiki.wooledge.org/DontReadLinesWithFor 03:49 bencahill No...where? 03:49 mtompset You are saying don't use for, and then proceed to use $(<file.txt) in your example 03:48 mtompset No, you aren't understanding... 03:48 bencahill I didn't read lines with for... :-/ ...you did :-? 03:48 mtompset http://mywiki.wooledge.org/DontReadLinesWithFor 03:48 bencahill Ouch... 03:47 mtompset `cat file.txt` is more legible 03:47 bencahill mtompset: I didn't. 03:47 mtompset Why did you $(<file.txt)?! 03:46 bencahill It's best to learn things the correct way, and then you avoid bad things when they might bite you. 03:45 bencahill mtompset: Yes, but will fail in some cases. See above ^^ 03:44 bencahill See this: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/001 03:44 mtompset mine's shorter. :P 03:44 bencahill That's what I would've done, actually. 03:43 bencahill while read -r pkg; do sudo apt-get -y install "$pkg"; done < <(./install_misc/ubuntu-pkg-check.sh | grep none | cut -f1 -d' ' | sort) 03:43 mtompset for i in `...`; do sudo apt-get -y install $i; done 03:42 bencahill Oh. 03:42 bencahill ? 03:42 mtompset I suppose I could do a for loop 03:42 bencahill Yup...I would as well. ;) 03:42 mtompset I did it the way I'm familiar with. 03:41 bencahill mtompset: ofc, you could also do that with sed/perl 03:41 mtompset :%s/^/apt-get -y install /g 03:41 * bencahill loves vim 03:41 bencahill Yeah, I noticed that. 03:41 mtompset Well, I did have to vi it. 03:40 bencahill mtompset: I didn't bother to look at the file to see what it did, though. :P 03:40 bencahill mtompset: Ah, no, looked pretty normal. 03:39 mtompset ./install_misc/ubuntu-pkg-check.sh | grep none | cut -f1 -d' ' | sort > ~/installthese.sh 03:39 bencahill mtompset: Your command line? 03:39 bencahill Like this one: https://github.com/bencahill/binfiles/blob/master/picrenamer 03:39 mtompset Okay... so my command line wasn't confusing to you? 03:38 bencahill I write bash scripts though. :P 03:38 bencahill mtompset: The latter...sort of...I'd just say I'm a power user. 03:38 mtompset So are you more of a librarian type or a developer type, bencahill? 03:37 bencahill lol 03:36 mtompset I mean install. 03:36 mtompset And that's before trying to compile up koha. 03:35 mtompset Yep... estimating 4.5 hours. 03:35 mtompset = about 32% done the script I generated. 03:34 mtompset 28/88 03:34 * mtompset grins. 03:33 bencahill It feels odd browsing the web so fast on this computer, like something is terribly wrong...in addition to the superior font rendering... 03:32 bencahill tmux ftw! 03:32 bencahill mtompset: It's the one I was on a few minutes ago (thus why I didn't disconnect) 03:31 bencahill Yes. ;) 03:31 mtompset Ah, so your linux server is a separate machine. 03:31 bencahill No. 03:31 mtompset Are you running a VM? 03:31 bencahill I'm on danlap, viewing RDP on cahilllapa (linux). Web browsing is faster on cahilllapa than on danlap, so I'm doing it there. 03:31 bencahill I don't know what you mean by host though... 03:30 mtompset I'm aware. :) 03:30 bencahill (RDP is a remote access protocol) 03:30 bencahill mtompset: RDP..not VM, but yes. 03:30 mtompset ^houst^host^ 03:30 mtompset you are telling me that web browsing in your VM is FASTER than browsing on the houst?! 03:30 bencahill (years-old = painfully slow) 03:29 bencahill mtompset: Probably a years-old XP install on a P4 2.66 with 512MB ram 03:29 bencahill mtompset: Slow ;) 03:29 mtompset Have a good night, jcamins_away 03:29 bencahill jcamins_away: cya, I will be soon as well ;) 03:29 mtompset why not web browse in the host? 03:29 * jcamins_away wanders off to get some sleep. 03:28 bencahill mtompset: Nice and simple...I use putty portable (portableapps.com) 03:28 bencahill It's nice to have the possibility though. 03:28 * mtompset likes putty. :) 03:28 bencahill jcamins_away: 99% of time is SSH (putty) 03:28 bencahill jcamins_away: I normally would, but I wanted to use a web browser. 03:28 mtompset Because he probably is used to the gui. 03:27 jcamins_away bencahill: RDP? Use SSH. 03:27 * bencahill is now on a slow Windows computer, RDP'ed into his linux box 03:26 bencahill (just for using virii :P) 03:26 bencahill jcamins_away++ 03:26 bencahill mtompset: Hehe...I've never used it. We used to use AVG, then MSE for a while, and now Avast! (because its updates work through our proxy, unlike MSE) 03:26 jcamins_away mtompset: fortunately Koha runs under Linux, and if you keep your security fixes up-to-date, Debian doesn't tend to get that many virii. 03:24 mtompset Oh, and while I think of it, bencahill, Trend Micro is one of the worst Anti-Virus packages in the world! 03:22 huginn` mtompset: The current temperature in Toronto Pearson, Ontario is 18.0°C (11:00 PM EDT on June 05, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 03:22 mtompset @wunder YYZ 03:22 huginn` mtompset: Error: No such location could be found. 03:22 mtompset @wunder Toronto 03:21 huginn` mtompset: The current temperature in Edinburgh, United Kingdom is 10.9°C (4:20 AM BST on June 06, 2012). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady). 03:21 mtompset @wunder EDI 03:18 bencahill brb 03:18 bencahill Ah. 03:17 mtompset vostro survives better. :) 03:17 mtompset Well, here in the Philippines... heat and environment is a major kill factor. 03:17 bencahill (actually $45) 03:17 bencahill mtompset: Why so? We're looking at the Inspiron because its $50 cheaper (and has a bigger HDD, but that doesn't really matter for us) 03:16 mtompset by the way... good choice on vostro over inspiron. 03:15 mtompset vostro 260 mini tower... got it... okay.. looking at the specs now. :) 03:14 bencahill mtompset: desktop 03:14 mtompset laptop or desktop or all-in-1? 03:13 bencahill (I knew they were switched, but couldn't remember which was which :P) 03:13 bencahill Nope, guessing it's Vostro 260 and Inspiron 620 03:12 bencahill It was 349 a few days ago, but is now 399 :( 03:12 bencahill Also I think we were looking at the Vostro 620 MT 03:11 bencahill mtompset: 260 I think... 03:11 mtompset So what kind of inspiron are you thinking of bencahill? 03:10 bencahill hehe 03:10 jcamins_away bencahill: I didn't realize you worked for a church library... I thought you had an elementary school. 03:09 bencahill jcamins_away: I see...I saw some of those in my searches a few days ago. 03:09 jcamins_away ^^ bookshelf-sized computer for the Koha appliance. 03:09 jcamins_away bencahill: http://www.amazon.com/Zotac-E-350-1-6GHz-Memory-ZBOX-AD02-PLUS-U/dp/B004XYJLXG/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1338952082&sr=1-1 03:09 mtompset Or the US, but not the Philippines. 03:09 mtompset Because it was a model sold in Hong Kong, but not the US. 03:09 mtompset I've done computer support for our organization, and I'd have to keep asking people: "Where did you buy this computer?" 03:08 bencahill mtompset: Ah, I see 03:08 mtompset But I find that you need to look up at the right site location in order to find things. :) 03:07 mtompset Okay... just looking up what you are describing. :) 03:06 bencahill mtompset: Texas, USA 03:06 mtompset Where are you located, bencahill? 03:04 bencahill jcamins_away: Bookshelf-sized? Cool. 03:04 bencahill jcamins_away: In fact, the last time we bought a computer before our latest (AMD 5000+, 2GB DDR2, 160GB SATA, Radeon HD 3450) was probably about 10 years ago o_o 03:03 mtompset Ah... I understand. 03:03 bencahill mtompset: church... 03:03 bencahill jcamins_away: Yeah, most of our computers (including the current P4 server) have been given to us by friends and such. 03:03 mtompset That's a tiny budget for a server. 03:03 * jcamins_away sells bookshelf-sized Koha appliances. 03:02 bencahill (oh, and 'tiny computer' = 10.4" tall o.0) 03:02 jcamins_away Ahh. The last time I actually bought a desktop, 80GB was standard. 03:02 bencahill mtompset: Budget is $300-400 03:02 mtompset Actually, if you are getting a server, why not go with the optiplex? 03:02 bencahill I spent the better part of a day figuring out what to buy and scouring eBay and such... 03:01 jcamins_away Well, never mind that idea. 03:01 bencahill jcamins_away: No, you can't drop it lower than it lets you...the one in question is an Inspiron 260, base model with upgraded CPU to i3-2120 03:01 jcamins_away Right. 03:01 bencahill jcamins_away: Not really...we could pay $330 for a tiny computer, but we really don't want that. 03:01 jcamins_away 250GB. 03:00 bencahill Oh d'oh 03:00 wahanui 250 is, like, the number all of those wicked, naughty grant reviewers ask for 03:00 bencahill 250? 03:00 jcamins_away bencahill: can't you pay less for a 250? 03:00 bencahill jcamins_away: Yeah, we're not paying extra for that... 03:00 jcamins_away With 2GB RAM, you're not going to be able to run a whole lot on that machine. 02:59 jcamins_away bencahill: if I were trying really hard to save money, I probably would've gone with a smaller HDD. 02:59 bencahill mtompset: The intel pages said 2nd 02:58 mtompset Is i3-2120 the third generation intel? 02:58 bencahill I think we're planning on getting a dell costing $355...a 500GB HDD and just 2GB RAM... 02:58 mtompset But why not an i7-2600k? 02:57 bencahill ;) 02:57 jcamins_away bencahill: yeah, I think so. 02:57 bencahill jcamins_away: I figure that will be a massive upgrade from our current P4 2.4 :P 02:57 mtompset sounds nice. 02:57 bencahill heh 02:57 jcamins_away bencahill: woohoo! 02:56 * bencahill is getting a box with an i3-2120 for new build 02:56 mtompset Import mysqldmp of koha 3.6.3 being used on ubuntu 10.04 02:56 mtompset Install empty koha 3.6.3: check 02:56 mtompset Install Ubuntu 12.04: check 02:55 bencahill Oh, you mean just transfer the db and settings, not the actual install of koha? 02:55 mtompset The koha 3.6.3 install on ubuntu 12.04 is fresh 02:55 bencahill Fresh install of koha... 02:55 mtompset fresh 02:55 mtompset the Ubuntu 12.04 is frensh. 02:54 bencahill Oh, so not a fresh install? 02:54 mtompset to koha 3.8.1 02:54 mtompset and then from koha 3.6.3 02:54 mtompset to Ubuntu 12.04 02:54 mtompset I'm hoping to transport from Ubuntu 10.04 02:54 bencahill Ah, cool. 02:54 mtompset But the NEXT test is to do an upgrade. 02:53 mtompset I am doing this with 3.6.3, which is NOT current. 02:53 mtompset Sure... I've done it a couple times, but I'm trying to do it cleanly this time and document steps. 02:53 * bencahill is going to bed now, will be back in a bunch of hours :P 02:51 bencahill mtompset: I'll be installing on 12.04 soon as well...I'll hang around to see what your outcome is :P 02:41 mtompset I figure that should take until mid-afternoon. :) 02:31 mtompset then a nice :%s/^/sudo apt-get -y install /g 02:27 mtompset shoot ... should have | sort first 02:26 mtompset ./install_misc/ubuntu-pkg-check.sh | grep none | cut -f1 -d' ' > ~/installthese.sh 02:26 mtompset getting same copy as what is running: 5 minutes 02:25 mtompset apt-get update, upgrade: 20 minutes 02:25 mtompset base install: 1.5 hours 02:22 mtompset I'm doing a fresh install of koha under Ubuntu 12.04 02:18 * Oak is cleaning his hard disk -- deleting stuff 02:17 Oak 3.6.4 02:16 mtompset what version are you running? 02:14 Oak yup 02:14 mtompset So you just tweaked a setting in the system preferences somewhere, and added your own CSS? 02:12 mtompset Greetings, jcamins_away. 02:12 Oak come in come in 02:12 Oak hello jcamins_away :) 02:11 * jcamins_away wanders in. 02:11 Oak yup 02:11 mtompset Did you generate those pages by overriding some opac CSS page? 02:10 Oak will add them soon. 02:09 Oak yes, i need text / content for those tabs. 02:09 mtompset They didn't work. 02:09 mtompset By the way, Oak. I tried clicking the pretty tabs at the top of your page link you gave me yesterday. 02:08 Oak :) 02:08 mtompset I don't have a list. It's on the wiki. :P 02:07 Oak nengard and bengard were here yesterday, yes. 02:07 mtompset http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Website_Administration#wiki.koha-community.org 02:07 Oak kidding 02:07 Oak you have a list? 02:07 mtompset She's #3 on the list of potentially 6 people that might be able to help me. 02:07 Oak you'll get another chance :) 02:06 mtompset What bugs me is that I saw nengard online yesterday, but forgot to mention my registration issues. 02:05 Oak we wait. 02:05 Oak administrator types may pop up. 02:04 * mtompset waits for the wiki.koha-community.org administrator types to resurface. 02:00 mtompset Anyone awake out there? 02:00 mtompset Hello #koha. 00:11 * bencahill searches a lot, according to Google's history. 25,175 total (and that's just since I've had this account!) 00:10 bencahill mtj: Ok, that makes sense. 00:10 bencahill Yup, 8:04pm (Central time) Jun 1, I searched for 'koha' and went to koha-community.org from there. So it's within the last 4 days. 00:10 mtj looks like the google f*ck-up hit kc.org on 4th june - 2 days ago... 00:06 bencahill They say the Penguin update was April 24th, though. I know I searched for 'koha' (I'll look back in my Google Web History in a sec) less than a week ago, and k-c.org was second (after liblime). :-/ 00:05 bencahill Wow, that site has a lot of deets. 00:04 mtj http://searchengineland.com/penguin-update-peck-your-site-by-mistake-googles-got-a-form-for-that-119698 00:02 mtj 'Google Penguin Update Recovery Tips & Advice' -> http://searchengineland.com/penguin-update-recovery-tips-advice-119650 00:01 mtj here's some more info about google's penguin update -> http://searchengineland.com/google-pushes-first-penguin-algorithm-update-122518