Time Nick Message 00:09 Judit morning 01:26 eythian Judit: afternoon 01:27 Judit :)afternoon? you already left? 01:28 eythian nope, it's 1:26pm here 01:49 jcamins_away y 01:49 jcamins_away u 01:50 jcamins_away Sorry. 01:50 jcamins_away Phone keyboard. 01:51 rangi heh 01:51 rangi yeah, they can be tricky to use 02:19 jcamins_away git.k-c.org really slow for anyone else? 02:20 jcamins_away really slow/down? 02:22 chilts both the website and the git clone are fine for me 02:22 jcamins_away chilts: thanks. 02:24 rangi hmm slow for me 02:24 rangi but up 04:41 cait morning #koha 04:54 Oak kia ora #koha 04:55 cait hi Oak 04:55 Oak Ahoy cait 05:00 eythian hello 05:00 cait hello :) 05:01 Oak hello :) 06:31 alex_a bonjour 06:41 cait hi alex_a 06:41 cait next week! :D 06:42 cait bbl 06:49 julian_m hi #koha 06:53 Joubu hi all 07:04 marcelr hello koha 07:04 slef hello 07:04 wahanui what's up, slef 07:05 slef wahanui: up is the sky 07:05 wahanui OK, slef. 07:06 Oak \o 07:14 kf good morning #koha 07:17 Oak good morning kf :) 07:19 marcelr hi kf Oak 07:20 francharb hi 07:23 * magnuse buries magnus_afk and waves at #koha 07:25 magnuse Oak 07:25 Oak magnuse 07:25 magnuse yay! ;-) 07:25 Oak :-) 07:28 marcelr hi magnuse francharb 07:29 magnuse hiya marcelr 07:30 Oak_ electricity playing hide and seek 07:31 magnuse sounds like fun... ;-) 07:31 Oak_ it is :) 07:37 Oak_ how do i give myself credit for the Koha deployment and customization I did... in footer area of my opac? what words do I use? 07:39 Oak_ like, Deployed by --- or Implemented by --- ? or what? any ideas? or should I add a 'Credits' link in footer and add names of all the people who helped me. that sound better actually. 07:40 hdl oak there is an opaccredits sys pref iirc 07:41 hdl But you also could add something to the about page. 07:41 paul_p good morning #koha 07:41 Oak_ hmm 07:41 hdl it is not something we usually do. 07:42 Oak_ yes, probably because you all have jobs... and this is my MLIS project, and it would be better if people knew who did the work? no? 07:42 Oak_ i mean i don't have a library job at the moment 07:44 hdl Oak_: at the time Paul and I worked, we worked as consultants. 07:44 Oak_ hmm :) 07:44 Oak_ okay 07:47 rangi evening 07:48 Oak_ evening rangi 07:48 magnuse kia ora rangi 07:57 stuartyeates rangi: thanks for the hints earlier today. we're having another crack at picking an LMS in October 07:57 rangi excellent 07:58 rangi happy to do a demo/presentation any time if that would be useful 07:59 stuartyeates last interation they decided that all the real offerings were vaporware, but everyone else seems to be heading in the alma direction 08:00 stuartyeates from what i can tell we'll looking for a 100% hosted outsourced solution 08:00 rangi ah yep 08:00 rangi totally doable :) 08:00 stuartyeates but i'm only seeing one part of the consortia, so that may not be an accurate description of the state of play 08:01 rangi right 08:01 rangi ill ask david up at waikato too 08:01 slef If Paypal do their worst, any ideas how we can collect the donations from the USA without them? Wire transfers are very expensive, even US-US which I could set up. 08:02 rangi cheques work, they just take a long long time to clear 08:02 slef mailing cheques internationally? Yeah, that's true 08:02 slef We've done that from the far east in the past. 08:03 rangi yep, laurels parents have done that to us before too 08:04 slef What about NZ? Can you wire transfer to UK or use e-wallets or are we begging paper cheques from there too? 08:04 * slef sulks at paypal 08:04 * magnuse thinks slef is too lenient 08:05 rangi naw we can do etransfers 08:06 rangi they do charge like a wounded bull for it 08:06 rangi however, i could talk to work, it might be that we can somehow use catalyst eu 08:07 rangi ie, get catalyst nz, to transfer to catalyst eu in the uk, and get it to you from there 08:07 rangi im assuming of course that we must have to do money transfers to them from time to time 08:13 slef rangi: if needed, do you think you or catalyst could collect the other NZ donations into it? And any idea what ballpark the transfer charge is? 08:13 rangi probably, and no idea 08:15 rangi david from catalyst eu will be at the conference so we can have a chat and figure it out 08:16 slef just in case anyone cares, international transfers in the UK are under £10 and US is $20-$40... bizarrely, I'm pretty sure transfers from most of the EU to us cost nothing as long as they're sent in Euros, thanks to the EU 08:18 slef rangi: if you have free domestic transfers, I can probably get access to an NZ bank account pretty simply. 08:18 rangi wouldnt be free, but in the region of 20cents 08:18 stuartyeates slef: the NZ-EU situation has changed in the last month, we've been dropped from an approved list 08:19 stuartyeates apparently it's too easy to set up a company here electronically and so people have been using us as money laudering transit point 08:20 rangi yay us! 08:21 asaurat it's business time! 08:21 slef stuartyeates: Great. And the reaction is to make the banking system more secure by stopping everyone being able to use it for anything. 08:21 slef asaurat: lazy. I've been here 80mins already. 08:21 slef ;) 08:22 asaurat i was talking about the NZ ;) 08:23 slef stuartyeates: I've a nice sideline using the co-op to campaign for relaxing banking security... although I'm not doing that with paypal because I think I have too much money and not enough time there. 09:53 slef every so often I get bored with writing perl and then I write something like map { $column->{$headings->[$_]} = $_ } (0..@{$headings}); and smile when it works. 10:00 drojf good day #koha 10:00 slef hi 10:02 drojf hi slef. do you know if there is an acta demonstration in edinburgh on 9.6.? i think it's a global (european) action day 10:03 slef drojf: last I saw, the nearest was Glasgow about 1h away by train. There is a google map linked from their facebook page if you want to check it and let me know ;) 10:03 slef Glasgow is a bit far for a lunchtime trip 10:03 drojf just looking for something non-facebookish ;) 10:04 slef the facebook page was public-viewable 10:04 slef EDRI.org may have links too 10:05 drojf glasgow and london on the related google map 10:05 drojf what does it take to register a demonstration in uk? ;) 10:09 drojf Glasgow 9. 6. 2012 12:00--20:00 in UTC+01 10:09 drojf i doubt there will really be people for 8 hours 10:10 slef I don't know what it takes to register a demonstration here. I've never registered one ;-) 10:10 slef I suspect whether there will be people for 8 hours depends on what the police do... 10:11 drojf 54 people going according to fb. if we have a public anti acta hackfest day we woudl be 38 already ;) 10:12 drojf 54. wow. either uk folks are really not interested in acta or don't use facebook for that. 10:25 slef yeah fb doesn't seem the natural place to organise against surveillance 10:25 slef or they're distracted by the monarchy going "ooh look at the pretty things, have some holiday, good peasants" 10:28 drojf heh. i never understood why they all use fb for that but it lead to 10000 people in berlin at -17° the last time i went so i try to accept it anyway 10:29 drojf found a different google map at edri which has 10 uk events. not all is lost ;) 10:31 slef any in Edinburgh? 10:31 drojf unfortunately not https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=214917285437566492834.0004bf01e005a41a2f7fa&msa=0&ll=51.096623,12.260742&spn=24.452056,67.631836 10:37 * drojf tries to pull zioha out of the revolving door 10:56 slef drojf: shame. Any "how to do a UK demo" and any volunteers to organise it? 10:59 jcamins_away slef: are you doing something with authorities? 10:59 slef jcamins: no more than usual. In what way? 11:01 jcamins slef: your example of how to keep Perl interesting looked like it might be a modification of C4::Heading. 11:01 slef jcamins: ah no, I'm loading a CSV into the items table with a perl script and the C4 API 11:02 jcamins Ah. 11:03 slef $headings is the first line of the CSV of course 11:04 slef biab 11:06 drojf slef: http://www.yourrights.org.uk/yourrights/the-right-of-peaceful-protest/index.html looks promising, i'll have a closer look later 11:45 BobB hi slef 11:48 BobB @later tell slef BobB cannot organise the band for KohaCon - members are dispersed on relevant nights. Sorry. 11:48 huginn` BobB: The operation succeeded. 11:56 slef BobB: OK, thanks for trying. I'll make a note. 11:57 oleonard Hi #koha 12:39 paul_p jcamins = sandbox2.sql.gz on contrib/global/sandbox has been upgraded to 3.8.0 and his size reduced to 5k biblio (instead of 20k) 12:45 jcamins paul_p: did you push the changes to add sign off? 12:45 paul_p jcamins yep 12:47 jcamins :) 12:47 jcamins paul_p++ 12:58 paul_p jcamins = just in case= I just pushed another patch (with doc and a commented line that should not be= 12:58 paul_p ) 12:58 umer Hi, every one. i am new to this channel and KOHA as well. i have understood many things regarding koha and still in the phase of learning. 12:58 umer i need a bit of ur help 13:00 umer how can we import data from some excel file into koha. i know how to import patrons, i do have idea how to import catalogs and items. but if my data is like (petron abc has item xyz issued from library) 13:00 umer a complete excel file of this data 13:00 umer any idea? 13:02 jcamins umer: you will have to convert the file into MARC. 13:04 umer no.. i have marc files, it has data related to records and items. i have imported the items and records into koha. this is working fine. 13:04 umer now what i want to do is, there was an old system, which has information like which book was issued to which patron and is still not checked in, which patron has how much fines etc 13:04 jcamins Oh, I see. You mean *just* circulation data. 13:05 umer yes yes you got it right 13:05 umer just circulation data 13:05 jcamins You'll probably need to write a script to read the data from the spreadsheet and insert it directly into the Koha database. 13:05 jcamins Koha migration toolbox? 13:06 jcamins Koha migration toolbox is https://www.gitorious.org/koha-toolbox/ 13:06 jcamins ^^ that might be useful. It has scripts for a lot of migration tasks. 13:06 umer ahhan.. okay.. i ll look into it. thanks a lot 13:14 umer ok one more thing. by default koha provides the functionality of calculating fines base upon days. is there some way that we could calculate fines on hourly basis? 13:15 jcamins umer: that feature was added in version 3.8. 13:16 umer oh.. i am using 3.02. is there some way that i can update it to the latest one? 13:17 jcamins If you look in INSTALL.debian, it has instructions for upgrading. 13:17 umer ok.. thankyou 13:18 jcamins oleonard: do you know of a way to produce a box with a caption-y looking thing outside of a form? 13:18 jcamins I know about fieldset and legend, but the box in question contains only text. 13:19 oleonard What's the context? 13:19 jcamins Authority notes. 13:19 jcamins I want to set them off a little bit from the rest of the text. 13:21 oleonard jcamins: I don't think there is an existing model for that yet, so you can do what you think works best 13:22 oleonard If it's instructions for a form we sometimes offset it on the right, like on the list add page 13:22 jcamins Actually, what might be better is to set up a tabbed bit, and then just have one tab. 13:22 oleonard Not that that looks great. 13:22 jcamins That makes it more like the bib details. 13:22 * oleonard doesn't understand 13:23 jcamins I am designing a details view for authorities. 13:23 oleonard But that reminds me to be grumpy about Bug 8170 13:23 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8170 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , 5XX fields get hidden under Title notes 13:23 oleonard 5XX fields aren't hidden there, they just GO THERE. 13:23 jcamins Why? 13:23 jcamins Ah. 13:24 oleonard You could just as easily argue that the MARC view is "hidden" because there's a separate link for it 13:24 * jcamins was going to file a bug saying that the MARC view is hidden. 13:24 umer couldnt find INSTALL.debian .. could u please guide me the path to this file 13:25 oleonard umer it's in the root directory of your Koha installation 13:25 jcamins umer: it should be in the root directory, but you can also find it online here: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL.debian;h=2c41201138e5dcabf0a06d21cda3df632474469d;hb=HEAD 13:26 umer couldnt find it in root. thanks for the link 13:42 jcamins Hm. the tabber is removing the <ul> and <li> elements, and not doing anything else. 13:45 wizzyrea I think you said "root" and he thought "/" 13:45 wizzyrea and good morning 13:46 oleonard "You had me at root" 13:46 oleonard "In that I stopped reading after that" 13:47 jcamins Okay, it's no longer removing the <ul> and <li> tags. 13:47 jcamins That's progress. 13:47 oleonard jcamins: You're trying to do the tabs plugin? 13:47 jcamins Yes. 13:49 oleonard I'd be happy to check the markup if that would help 13:49 wizzyrea oh there's a new zebra version 13:49 jcamins Before I show it to you, I think I'd better check that I'm not making any embarrassing mistakes in it. 13:49 jcamins wizzyrea: yeah, I saw that. 13:49 oleonard jcamins: That's usually the problem ;) 13:50 jcamins ... like the one I just found. 13:50 wizzyrea 3 whole changes. They are ambitious. 13:50 jcamins lol 13:50 jcamins wizzyrea: presumably there are more differences? 13:50 jcamins I _did_ think that very thing, though. 13:51 wizzyrea um, thre are only 3 listed in the email 13:51 wizzyrea Increase max size of indexing term from 256 to 512. 13:51 wizzyrea Fix buffer overrun for terms using ICU normalization. 13:51 wizzyrea Fix problem in dictionary due to increase max size of term. 13:51 jcamins I know. I saw the e-mail. 13:51 wizzyrea that's it 13:51 wizzyrea oh that was for everyone else :P 13:51 jcamins And thought "is that really all they did?" 13:51 jcamins But then I decided they probably did more and just didn't feel like writing release notes. 13:51 wizzyrea or they didn't, and zebra is just that awesome 13:51 wizzyrea and bug free. 13:52 jcamins Heh. 13:53 jcamins Odd... the javascript doesn't seem to be showing up. 13:54 jcamins Mystery solved. 13:54 jcamins Misplaced IF. 13:55 jcamins It is now working. :) 13:56 Oak jcamins++ 14:06 wizzyrea well here's your mad scheme of the day 14:06 wizzyrea "anybody ever tried to use SIP authentication with WordPress?" 14:06 * wizzyrea ducks 14:06 jcamins wizzyrea: why? 14:07 wizzyrea so that you can have patron only password protected areas of your website 14:07 wizzyrea for say, databases. 14:07 wizzyrea and keep only one username 14:07 jcamins Interesting. 14:07 wizzyrea actually, it would be cool if you could make Koha an OpenID endpoint 14:07 wizzyrea then you could just use OpenID 14:08 wizzyrea that solution would require no further work on WordPress. 14:08 jcamins That would make sense. 14:30 magnuse openid++ 14:35 * jcamins thinks Myshkin approves as well. 14:35 jcamins Especially if it openid is a code word for "tummy scratching." 14:40 magnuse isn't it? 14:41 jcamins Must be. 14:41 jcamins He's asleep in his box top (with a tissue paper mattress... what a spoiled cat), and every few minutes he wakes up enough to very theatrically roll around on his back and look at me accusingly before nodding off again. 14:50 Oak funny 15:11 jcamins liw: around? 15:20 clrh_ ? 15:25 mtompset Hello? 15:25 oleonard Hi mtompset do you have a question? 15:26 mtompset I thought that perhaps an interactive community might have a better chance at pointing me to SAML 2.0 integration with Koha. :) 15:26 mtompset I found a thread on some mailing list from March. 15:27 mtompset But other than that, nothing seems to be out there. 15:28 jcamins mtompset: a quick wikipedia search on SAML suggests that any work there is on it would be in BibLibre's work on shibboleth, but I've certainly never heard of it before. 15:28 mtompset I also found Dobrica Pavlinušić's blog. 15:29 mtompset I suspect that is dpavlin_away right now. 15:29 kf I think jcamins is right, biblibre said there were working on shibboleth integration with Koha. 15:29 jcamins mtompset: dpavlin may know something about it, then. 15:29 kf they were... 15:29 mtompset Is there any ETAs? 15:29 kf ETA? 15:29 jcamins mtompset: no. 15:29 jcamins Estimated Time of Arrival. 15:30 jcamins clrh: you don't have a schedule for shibboleth integration, do you? 15:30 mtompset Well, dpavlin's blog http://blog.rot13.org/2011/06/saml2-sp-with-perl-webapp.html 15:30 mtompset points at pieces, but I'm not sure I understand how the patchwork works. 15:32 jcamins Since I have no idea what SAML is (even after skimming Wikipedia), I can't really help you, sorry. 15:32 jcamins It might be worth sending an e-mail to koha-devel. 15:32 mtompset It's an protocol definition of how to authenticate and give access to services. At least that's my take on it. 15:32 jcamins That way when dpavlin isn't away he can respond. :) 15:34 mtompset Or I could leave a message on their blog. I just don't like signing in and subscribing to things left right and center. :) 15:34 kf mtompset: when you are working with Koha the mailing list is a must have :) 15:35 clrh jcamins: we did a first work and I am waiting for customer test installation to validate it 15:35 mtompset actually, the wiki was good enough for our base install. 15:36 clrh but I remmeber it was a really "hard thing" to setup architecture (sysop ionfrastructure !?) don't know the god work 15:36 clrh jcamins: will I see you at edimbourg? 15:36 jcamins mtompset: installing Koha is one thing. Doing development with it is something else. 15:36 jcamins clrh: unfortunately not. :( 15:36 jcamins I'll be presenting via the Internet. 15:36 mtompset tell me about it, jcamins. :) 15:37 clrh snif ok I will remember that I have to tell you when we will submit a patch 15:37 jcamins clrh: mtompset was wondering about it. I'll see the update to Bugzilla. :) 15:37 jcamins mtompset: actually, developing with Koha is pretty easy. 15:37 jcamins But you do need to subscribe to the mailing lists. 15:37 * kf joins clrh in sniffing 15:38 kf clrh: I wish too jcamins would be there 15:38 clrh for me snif is like "crying" / be sad 15:38 clrh ook kf you have the same meaning 15:38 mtompset okay... on main page... where is the "yes, bombard me with lots of mail that I'll mostly mark as read"? 15:39 jcamins Support. 15:39 wahanui i think support is found at http://koha-community.org/support/ 15:39 jcamins mailing lists? 15:39 wahanui mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ 15:39 jcamins ^^ there we go. :) 15:39 mtompset At least one question got answered. ;) 15:40 kf mtompset: where are you located? 15:40 mtompset PH 15:40 mtompset And you? 15:41 kf Germany 15:41 * jcamins is from the US- New York. 15:41 kf which version did you install? 15:41 mtompset 3.6.3 15:41 mtompset Though I patched the login with 3.6.4 15:42 mtompset Tweaked a bunch of styling things. 15:42 jcamins mtompset: you know, you could just upgrade the entire system. 15:42 mtompset To make it "fit" our things. 15:42 jcamins version control with git? 15:42 jcamins koha version control? 15:42 jcamins git? 15:42 wahanui i guess git is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git 15:42 jcamins There we go. 15:42 jcamins You might want to read that document if you haven't already. 15:42 kf mtompset: yes, updating to 3.6.5 would make sense 15:42 mtompset Nah, because that would bust the style things. :P 15:43 kf if it's already annoying with such a small update, you will run into major problems later 15:43 oleonard Actually using version control is for *not* busting style things 15:43 kf there are lots of options to style things without making updating a pain 15:43 mtompset I had to edit existing files. 15:43 kf not sure what you did, but it might be worth doing some research to save lot sof time and nerves later on 15:44 kf mtompset: I was afraid you woudl say that - but it's never a good idea 15:44 mtompset Though I did like the ability to add CSS'. 15:44 kf in my opinion 15:44 mtompset I documented my tweaks. 15:44 mtompset So if we do upgrade, it shouldn't be too hard. 15:45 oleonard With version control you have the possibility of having git automatically merge your customizations upon upgrade 15:46 mtompset Haven't used git before, nor koha, nor a lot of the technologies involved in this beautiful mess. :) 15:46 jcamins mtompset: never too late to learn. 15:47 mtompset I'd like to keep my learning curve less acute. :) 15:47 jcamins In that case, learn to use git. 15:47 jcamins You'll learn real fast how painful upgrades can be if you really want shibboleth. 15:48 kf mtompset: we really not try to make this hard for you - we try to tell you how it will be easier 15:48 mtompset I'm also looking at zxid 15:48 jcamins (the earliest release that could possibly have shibboleth would be 3.10... you'll have forgotten what tweaks you made, and the Koha files will have changed greatly in between 3.6.3 and 3.10) 15:49 kf I think you could perhaps use CAS 15:49 kf and it might be that you can get it indirectly working with shibboleth that way but not sure 15:50 mtompset No... CAS isn't an option. 15:50 kf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Authentication_Service 15:50 mtompset I've been told that SAML 2.0 is it, and there is no discussion. 15:50 mtompset I won't forget the tweaks. 15:50 mtompset 1) /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/css/login.css 2) /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/includes/doc-head-close.inc 3) /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/includes/header.inc 4) /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/lib/yui/reset-fonts-grids.css 5) /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/intran 15:51 jcamins Well, all I can say is, good luck. 15:51 mtompset and I have the tweaks listed in detail in a file. 15:51 mtompset That's also why I'm in the midst of setting up 3.8.1 in a VM. 15:52 mtompset That will give me an idea of how much those particular files have changed. 15:55 mtompset losing blood sugar subscribing to all these lists... ;) 15:55 oleonard mtompset: Why change reset-fonts-grids.css when you can override it with a custom stylesheet? 15:56 mtompset I would... if I knew where to easily. 15:56 mtompset I wanted it done quickly. :P 15:57 oleonard intranetstylesheet system preference, or IntranetUserCSS system preference 15:57 oleonard Quickly now will turn into time-consuming later. 15:58 mtompset Perhaps... so you are saying that if I put my tweak from the reset-grids.css into the stylesheet that I set up with those system preferences, it will over-ride it? 15:58 oleonard yes 15:59 mtompset Because it seemed like some of those sheet were overriding what i was putting into my custom sheet. 15:59 mtompset I'll try cleaning that up... 15:59 mtompset See if it works... later. 16:00 oleonard use the intranetcolorstylesheet if your stylesheet is on your Koha server. use intranetstylesheet if it's at another URL. use IntranetUserCSS if you want the CSS embedded on each page 16:01 mtompset Okay... this is useful info... now how to save it somewhere to look at.... today. :) 16:01 gaetan_B bye ! 16:02 mtompset Bye. :) 16:03 mtompset Okay... does anyone here know about the mess that is Zebra? 16:04 jcamins mtompset: "Know" is kind of a strong word. 16:04 mtompset I'm trying to figure out why certain options aren't behaving as expected... perhaps I don't understand the queue or something. 16:04 mtompset I add an item 16:04 mtompset -b -a... doesn't show up. 16:04 mtompset -b -a -r... does show up. 16:05 mtompset Delete an item... 16:05 mtompset -b -a -z doesn't remove 16:05 jcamins searching faq? 16:05 wahanui searching faq is probably at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ 16:05 mtompset -b -a -r does remove. 16:05 jcamins You should take a look in that document. It's probably a permissions issue. 16:05 mtompset I read the documentation... it is drastically lacking explanation. 16:06 kf patches to the documentation are welcome 16:06 jcamins You followed the troubleshooting steps that describe this exact problem? 16:06 mtompset give me the URL... I probably did. 16:06 jcamins I just did. 16:07 jcamins Third question from the end. 16:07 mtompset environment variables are fine. 16:08 mtompset it is running as the koha user 16:08 mtompset right there... what directory permissions? 16:09 jcamins Everything must be owned by your Koha user. 16:09 jcamins /var/lib/koha/* 16:10 mtompset yep, it is. 16:10 mtompset how do I know I'm not running the zebraqueue daemon? 16:10 jcamins Did you start it? 16:10 jcamins ps ax | grep zeb 16:11 jcamins If you see anything that looks like zebraqueue, you are. 16:11 mtompset 3224 ? Ss 0:00 daemon --name=koha-zebra-ctl.kohadata --errlog=/var/log/koha/koha-zebradaemon.err --stdout=/var/log/koha/koha-zebradaemon.log --output=/var/log/koha/koha-zebradaemon-output.log --verbose=1 --respawn --delay=30 --user=koha koha -- /usr/bin/zebrasrv -v none,fatal,warn -f /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml 3226 ? S 0:00 /usr/bin/zebr 16:11 mtompset nothing with a que in it. 16:12 jcamins Okay, that's correct. 16:13 jcamins How did you install Koha, out of curiosity? 16:13 mtompset http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Ubuntu 16:14 mtompset I read about the zebraqueue being flaky so chose the crontab way of doing it. 16:14 liw jcamins, you called? 16:14 mtompset sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -v –full `/usr/sbin/koha-list` 16:14 mtompset That's in the DEBIAN scripts. 16:15 mtompset the script remaps -full to -b -a -r 16:16 jcamins liw: yes, I'm trying to make a metapackage, and I was wondering if there was any way to have a metapackage with a changelog. It seems like when I add a changelog, it requires a rules file, and I don't want to install anything. 16:16 jcamins mtompset: so you used packages? 16:17 mtompset yep... wget the latest. 16:17 mtompset Which seems to be ancient now. :) 16:17 jcamins There are frequent updates. 16:17 liw jcamins, I've used empty packages as metapackages, which means there's no files in them, except /usr/share/doc/$PACKAGE/copyright and changelog.gz 16:17 jcamins So in order to rebuild Zebra you are running `sudo koha-rebuild-zebra koha`? 16:18 jcamins liw: do you have an example debian/rules file? 16:18 jcamins (for that) 16:18 mtompset No... I'm running UBUNTU. :) 16:19 mtompset rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r 16:19 mtompset /usr 16:19 mtompset AH! I had to // 16:19 jcamins mtompset: okay, then why were you running koha-rebuild-zebra? 16:19 liw jcamins, "bzr branch http://code.liw.fi/env-liw/bzr/trunk/ env-liw.trunk" should give you something that works for me 16:19 mtompset /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/ 16:20 mtompset I'm not... 16:20 mtompset I'm saying the instructions in the FAQ are debian biased. 16:20 mtompset And that I read the script 16:20 jcamins mtompset: okay. 16:20 mtompset and that it remaps -full to ... 16:20 mtompset /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r 16:20 jcamins Right. -b -a -r is correct. 16:21 mtompset But -r is a FULL reindex. 16:21 jcamins liw: thanks! 16:21 mtompset Isn't -z supposed to be a partial reindex? 16:22 mtompset If I add something, shouldn't that get into the zebraqueue somehow, so that -z would pick it up? 16:22 jcamins Yes. 16:22 mtompset I'm not talking importing a batch, I'm talking manually adding. 16:23 jcamins Right. 16:23 mtompset Okay.... so it isn't. 16:23 mtompset How do I determine where the failure is? 16:23 jcamins You can check in the zebraqueue table, try and figure out when done is being set to 1. 16:24 mtompset Hmm... co-ordinate with the user an add entry... watch the zebraqueue table. 16:25 mtompset oh sucky! 16:25 mtompset I see some error logs. 16:26 mtompset Oops... should have included the referer part... 16:26 mtompset NOT. 16:27 jcamins You missed a few steps. 16:27 jcamins And, what version of Ubuntu? 16:27 jcamins mtompset: you are missing some dependencies. 16:27 jcamins Run koha_perl_deps.pl -m 16:27 mtompset I don't think so... 16:27 mtompset I did a grep for use on the pl scripts and did a mass install. 16:28 mtompset I also did the dep check script. 16:28 jcamins And it said you had everything? 16:28 kf it looks like you are missing lingua snowball 16:28 kf or whatever that is called correctly 16:28 jcamins I think Lingua::Stem::Snowball is there, but one of its dependencies is missing. 16:29 mtompset Line 55 is part of the new() method. 16:32 jenkins_koha Starting build #739 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 16:33 mtompset C4::Search requires the snowball 16:37 mtompset I think I'll debug the problem later. 16:38 mtompset I think Snowball is being called with an undef parameter, and that causes things to get evil, because there are no undef checks. 16:41 wizzyrea weird, I run it on ubuntu and I don't have this problem 16:41 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8159: Fix error in kohastructure.sql <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=64f933a2faa862c4981491f3ca51cf9082ef4254> / Bug 7747 [FOLLOW-UP] Replace YUI autocomplete with jQueryUI <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f858a6853b17c54799d7d8250d71940d160b5819> / Bug 7747 - Replace YUI autocomplete with jQueryUI <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commi 16:41 wizzyrea but then again i have all of my dependencies. 16:42 slef I've been staring at this too long. When someone says classification number, is that items.fullcallnumber in Koha or something else? 16:42 wizzyrea did you check more -> about -> then click the "perl modules" tab 16:42 wizzyrea do you have anything missing? 16:42 jcamins slef: it depends, but *probably* something else. 16:43 slef jcamins: what would be your favourite bet? 16:44 jcamins I'd guess 082$a. 16:44 slef @marc 082 a 16:44 huginn` slef: Classification number (Repeatable) 16:44 slef heh 16:44 jcamins Of course, it could be that they're using those as the fullcallnumber, too. 16:44 slef ok let me go look at what went in there before... thanks jcamins 16:44 jcamins You're welcome. 16:44 slef no they don't look like fullcallnumber to me... I'm trying to figure out what to put in fullcallnumber too 16:45 jcamins What do the number look like? 16:46 mtompset What's the difference between bold items and non-bold items, wizzyrea? 16:46 slef hehe. Examples include "371.9144 TOW" and "Reading age 6-9yrs. Interest level 7-10yrs" 16:46 wizzyrea I think required for koha use, and required for specific function 16:46 wizzyrea for example 16:46 slef mbalmer? 16:46 wahanui mbalmer is DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS!!!!! 16:46 slef mbalmer: was I talking to you about SIP a while ago? 16:47 mbalmer slef, yes? 16:47 mbalmer yes! 16:47 wizzyrea SMS::Send, you don't need for normal koha operation 16:47 mbalmer I will be in Edinburgh next week 16:47 wizzyrea it's not bold. 16:47 jcamins slef: okay, that's fullcallnumber. 16:47 mbalmer and wahanui is wrong. that one is ballmer, with to l 16:48 slef mbalmer: do you want to take an hour or two out to do a sip3 teleconference with 3M? 16:48 mtompset Okay... 16:48 mtompset So what version of Lingua::Stem::Snowball do you have? 16:48 mbalmer sure. in edinburgh of before? 16:48 wizzyrea .0952 16:48 jcamins slef: that's probably fullcallnumber, and you need to extract the numeric bit to stick in 082$a. 16:49 mtompset As do I... I noticed it uses Carp and Exporter. 16:49 mtompset Do you know what versions you have of those? 16:49 wizzyrea basically, if it's red and says "not installed" 16:49 wizzyrea then you have a problem. 16:49 mtompset All mine are black. 16:50 mtompset Most are bold. 16:50 mtompset Can you tell me your versions of Carp and Exporter? 16:51 mtompset Because line 55 has $self->_derive_stemmer 16:51 mtompset And I can't find the definition of _derive_stemmer in the snowball. 16:51 mtompset So, I figure it must be in Carp or Exporter 16:51 slef mbalmer: it'd be in edinburgh. I can forward you the invitation email. It's something silly like 3pm on the 5th June. 16:51 slef mbalmer: I can't do it for various reasons, but I didn't know if it would interest you. No worries if you would rather pay attention to conference. 16:51 slef mbalmer: message me your email address if you'd like me to forward it. 16:51 slef jcamins: yummy :-/ 16:51 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/iXqTjlSF 16:52 slef jcamins: of course, the list of biblionumber and these classifications is yet another file... 16:52 mtompset Carp and Exporter aren't listed there. 16:52 mtompset You have to look manually. 16:53 jcamins slef: awesome! 16:53 mbalmer slef, I will only join the event on june 6, so june 5 3pm I think I could attend from .ch. 3pm which timezone? 16:53 wizzyrea CGI::Carp is 16:54 mtompset not CGI::Carp 16:54 wizzyrea then it's not listed 16:54 mtompset Snowball says Carp and Exporter. 16:54 wizzyrea sounds like you've got it all figured out. 16:54 slef mbalmer: 3pm UK I think. The email gives it in US Eastern IIRC. 16:54 mtompset That's why i'm asking you what versions you have. 16:55 mtompset Perhaps newer versions break it. 16:55 mbalmer slef, that sounds like I could be available. Thanks for letting me know about it, btw! 16:56 wizzyrea lingua probably has it's own dependencies that you are missing. they might not be listed in the koha dependencies. 16:57 mtompset Yes.... and they are Carp and Exporter. 16:57 mtompset I'm looking at the code. 16:57 mtompset I would like to know what versions you have. 17:02 mtompset Well, I'm off. 17:02 mtompset Thanks for the help and suggestions. 17:02 mtompset Too bad it didn't solve everything, but it gave me some ideas. 17:05 oleonard mtompset: I have a standard install of Ubuntu 12.04 and a by-the-book installation of Koha and I don't have a problem with Snowball. This suggests a problem with dependencies on your machine. 17:08 mtompset I agree. 17:08 mtompset But finding them is going to be a pain. 17:08 mtompset I don't want to reinstall from scratch. 17:09 mtompset Not when the system is being used to get the data current before going live. 17:09 mtompset Anyways... have a good day (24 hour period) everyone. 17:13 slef "Your PayPal Account Access Has Been Restored" 17:13 schuster wizzyrea_away you back? 17:14 jcamins Woohoo! 17:14 * jcamins throws a Paypal party. 17:15 slef jcamins: TimeWorked: 262 minutes 17:17 * liw runs: gedit obnam-1.0-announcement.mdwn 17:17 liw egh, sorry, wrong channel 17:18 jcamins Ooh, obnam 1.0 is released? Cool! 17:18 liw jcamins, not until tomorrow, I just want to draft the announcement now 17:18 * Oak googles obnam 17:19 kf slef: yay! 17:19 Oak slef++ 17:19 Oak stop sulking now 17:20 * Oak gives slef ice cream 17:20 slef Oak: when we get the money out... 17:21 Oak ah yes 17:21 slef I don't think that was a scam email but... ;) 17:21 Oak let's put the ice cream back in the fridge then 17:21 Oak :) hm 17:21 slef I'll do that in a mo 17:22 kf slef++ :) 17:23 Oak kf time to go home 17:24 kf I know, but still have to do some things 17:24 Oak things will never end, you know 17:25 jcamins kf: Oak is right about that. 17:25 kf 2 weeks vacation starting next week 17:25 Oak :) 17:25 Oak fine, you win 17:25 mbalmer woa 17:26 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #739: UNSTABLE in 53 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/739/ 17:26 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 8140 - [SIGNED-OFF] Error when exporting label xml 17:26 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7747 - Replace YUI autocomplete with jQueryUI 17:26 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7747 [FOLLOW-UP] Replace YUI autocomplete with jQueryUI 17:26 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8159: Fix error in kohastructure.sql 17:26 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8140 blocker, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Error when exporting label xml 17:26 mbalmer is that deserved, kf ;) ? 17:26 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7747 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Replace YUI autocomplete with jQueryUI 17:26 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8159 critical, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Error in kohastructure.sql 17:27 jcamins What do you mean, Jenkins build became unstable? 17:28 kf mbalmer: deserved or not, I need one :) 17:28 mbalmer heh...;) 17:31 * magnuse discovers "prove -m -Q --formatter=TAP::Formatter::HTML" 17:40 kf magnuse: what does that do? 17:45 Oak kf it sends people home who work too much 17:45 magnuse kf: formatts the output of prove nicely as an html page 17:46 Oak and that too 17:46 Oak of course 17:48 kf lol 17:48 kf Oak++ .) 17:49 Oak :) 18:00 mtompset I couldn't sleep knowing there was a bug. 18:00 mtompset I found it! 18:00 mtompset There's a typo in addbooks.pl 18:01 mtompset Hello? 18:01 mtompset Is there where I mail one of the lists and tell them about it? 18:02 jcamins Well, first you have to confirm that it hasn't already been fixed. 18:02 jwagner Check bugzilla to be sure it hasn't already been reported, and then create a bug report for it 18:02 jwagner http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/ 18:02 jcamins If it hasn't been, you report a bug for it. 18:05 mtompset I've got 3.8.1 -- 3.8.5 is the most current? 18:05 jcamins 3.8.1 is the most current on the 3.8.x line, and 3.6.5 is the most current on the 3.6.x line. 18:05 jcamins mtompset: weren't you on 3.6.3 about an hour ago? 18:05 wizzyrea_away schuster - back now 18:05 mtompset I have two versions. 18:05 mtompset 3.6.3 is the one being used. 18:06 mtompset I checked 3.8.1 which I'm tinkering with on the side. 18:06 mtompset They both have the same bug 18:07 mtompset To think a tiny \ can make a big difference! 18:07 mtompset If you go to Cataloguing. 18:07 mtompset Then do a search. 18:08 mtompset You will trigger the error in the error log. 18:08 mtompset But all the other searches don't trigger the error. 18:08 mtompset Only the search from Cataloguing. 18:08 wizzyrea wait what's the actual problem 18:09 wizzyrea the first question? 18:09 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?" 18:09 mtompset No apparent problem. 18:09 mtompset My goal is to stop error messages from filling the error log. 18:09 wizzyrea oh, that's noble. 18:09 wizzyrea (seriously :)) 18:09 mtompset Because the search appears to work for the end user. 18:10 mtompset buildQuery(\@operators,\@operands,\@indexes,@limits,\@sort_by,undef,undef); 18:10 mtompset See the @limits? There's no \ on it. 18:11 mtompset my @operands = $operands ? @$operands : (); my @limits = $limits ? @$limits : (); my @sort_by = $sort_by ? @$sort_by : (); 18:11 * wizzyrea checks that on her 3.9 system… sec 18:11 mtompset Looks ugly, but as you can see the buildQuert code treats indexes, limits, and sort_by the same. 18:12 mtompset buildQuery... 18:12 jcamins mtompset: buildQuery is a rather horrifying routine, alas. 18:12 wizzyrea what was the error you were seeing 18:12 mtompset The snowball one. 18:12 * wizzyrea does not get that one 18:13 wizzyrea I do however get this one: [Thu May 31 13:25:02 2012] [error] [client 192.168.1.137] [Thu May 31 13:25:02 2012] addbooks.pl: Illegal date specified (year = 2007, month = 7, day = 00) at /home/liz/kohaclone/C4/Search.pm line 1656, referer: http://koha-staff.lan.nekls.org/cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/addbooks.pl 18:13 wizzyrea but the search works. 18:13 wizzyrea that *could* be bad data. 18:14 mtompset Really? Maybe they fixed it in a later version. 18:14 wizzyrea well this is juuuuust beyond 3.8.1 18:14 wizzyrea I highly doubt it. 18:14 mtompset I'll bug report it. 18:14 wizzyrea probably the best plan 18:14 mtompset I did a search for addbooks.pl 18:14 mtompset Saw only 7 bugs. 18:15 wizzyrea mm, try cataloging search 18:15 wizzyrea too. 18:16 mtompset Okay.... I guess the person might not have narrowed it down to addbooks.pl 18:17 wizzyrea probably not - we get all levels of users reporting bugs. 18:17 wizzyrea (it is both glorious and occasionally frustrating) 18:17 wizzyrea but we deal :) 18:17 slef @query Illegal date specified 18:17 huginn` slef: No results for "Illegal date specified." 18:18 wizzyrea interestingly, i also get this one; [Thu May 31 13:31:15 2012] [error] [client 192.168.1.137] [Thu May 31 13:31:15 2012] addbooks.pl: Use of uninitialized value in numeric eq (==) at /home/liz/kohaclone/C4/XSLT.pm line 249., referer: http://koha-staff.lan.nekls.org/cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/addbooks.pl?q=addbooks.pl 18:18 wizzyrea not even the same thing! 18:18 wizzyrea and the other error didn't recur. 18:19 mtompset Which probably ties to the same bug... 18:19 wizzyrea different query 18:19 slef @query Use of uninitialized value in numeric eq 18:19 huginn` slef: No results for "Use of uninitialized value in numeric eq." 18:19 slef huginn`: you're a bit useless today. 18:19 huginn` slef: downloading the Perl source 18:21 mtompset wizzyrea, could you take a look at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/cataloguing/addbooks.pl and tell me if there is a \ on the @limits? 18:21 wizzyrea yep 18:21 mtompset line 75 18:22 wizzyrea no slash 18:22 jcamins Bah. I stuck the apt repo on an old VPS, and apparently a lot of people (including me) decided to hit it at the same time, bringing it down. 18:23 wizzyrea putting it in doesn't make the error go away 18:24 slef mtompset: line 1038 of /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Search.pm does suggest it should have a \ I think 18:24 jcamins Oh, it certainly needs the \. 18:25 slef mtompset: without it, the rest of the parameters to buildQuery will be ignored IIRC 18:25 mtompset It will dereference incorrectly. 18:26 mtompset Perhaps... 18:26 mtompset Anyways... 18:26 mtompset It solves one thing, but not what I was hoping for yet. 18:28 Oak but still 18:28 Oak mtompset++ 18:28 Oak jcamins, is it up now? 18:29 mtompset Oh sucky! I have to register for bugzilla too?! 18:29 kf yes 18:29 kf bye all :) 18:29 Oak finally 18:29 jcamins Oak: it was briefly. 18:29 Oak bye kf 18:29 jcamins Then I think it went back down. 18:29 wizzyrea later kf 18:29 kf Oak: :P 18:29 Oak hmm. 18:30 wizzyrea I'm really wondering if these errors, at least the date one 18:30 wizzyrea I think it's bad data. 18:30 wizzyrea bc it only happens on one specific query. 18:31 wizzyrea yep, I found the offending record. 18:31 wizzyrea also - jcamins- this may interest you 18:31 wizzyrea [Thu May 31 13:42:11 2012] [error] [client 192.168.1.137] [Thu May 31 13:42:11 2012] detail.pl: Use of uninitialized value $countanalytics in numeric gt (>) at /home/liz/kohaclone/catalogue/detail.pl line 256., referer: http://koha-staff.lan.nekls.org/cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/MARCdetail.pl?biblionumber=915 18:32 jcamins wizzyrea: a patch was submitted for that. 18:32 wizzyrea k 18:32 wizzyrea just checking. 18:32 Oak me go now. sleep time. 18:32 Oak wizzyrea++ 18:32 Oak jcamins++ 18:34 wizzyrea pf I didn't do anything 18:34 slef wahanui: manual 18:34 wahanui manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation 18:37 mtompset is wahanui a bot? 18:38 jcamins Yup. 18:38 mtompset Bug 8172 added. :) 18:38 wizzyrea a pretty clever one. 18:38 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8172 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Missing dereference marker for buildQuery parameter in addbooks.pl 18:41 mtompset Is huginn` a bot too? 18:41 sekjal yup 18:42 * sekjal is coding in a bar again… everyone watch out! 18:42 wizzyrea LOOKOUT 18:43 slef sekjal: | is a pipe, not a bar 18:43 slef wahanui: bots? 18:43 wahanui bots are listed at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars 18:43 slef wahanui: ta 18:43 wahanui slef: i'm not following you... 18:44 slef wahanui: thank you 18:44 wahanui slef: sure thing 18:44 slef wahanui: como Nicholas Cage en Leaving Las Vegas... 18:44 wahanui slef: what? 18:44 slef wahanui: idiot 18:44 wahanui slef: huh? 18:45 slef wahanui: die! 18:45 wahanui errrrgh arrrrgh stop it that tickles a bit! 18:48 magnuse lol 18:49 wizzyrea he's almost sentient. 18:50 jcamins #introduction 18:50 jcamins #introductions 18:50 jcamins #topic Introductions 18:50 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 18:50 jcamins ^^ see. 18:50 wizzyrea oh, no almost about it. :) 18:52 sekjal does anyone recall the latest verdict on management of Lists belonging to deleted users? 18:52 sekjal I believe they can only be dealt with by the Koha root user… is that true? 18:53 jcamins sekjal: right now, yes. 18:53 sekjal great, thanks jcamins 18:53 jcamins sekjal: marcelr's been fixing the list permissions slowly but surely to fix that, though. 18:53 sekjal working on bug 8164, and that's one of the areas where testing will be needed 18:53 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8164 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Replace IFNULL() with COALESCE() in all database calls 19:05 mtompset Goodbye, everyone. Talk with you later. 19:09 sekjal argh! Why is there a Unicode character for "pile of poo", but not for a shopping cart?! 19:10 jcamins lol 19:10 cait lobby? 19:10 mbalmer its the same. 19:22 sekjal … is "Save to your lists" broken on opac-detail.pl ? 19:22 sekjal I'm getting a 404 19:22 jcamins sekjal: it wasn't when I tested marcelr's patch yesterdayish. 19:22 sekjal hmmm… could just by my config, I suppose 19:22 sekjal I'm on a pretty stark test DB 19:25 sekjal hmmm… it's not the most recent change to opac-addbybiblionumber.pl 19:25 jcamins sekjal: I'm not sure if the patch was pushed. 19:25 jcamins (yet) 19:26 sekjal not yet 19:26 sekjal there was one circ March 22 19:26 sekjal that's not it 19:26 sekjal ah, well. time to go 19:26 sekjal later, all! 19:40 rangi Morning 19:40 cait morning rangi :) 19:43 wizzyrea peeps - please remember to check on your stuff in failed qa 19:43 wizzyrea there's lots of good stuff in there that needs to get in 19:44 rangi Can u mail koha-devel 19:45 rangi I suspect this is the choir in here :) 19:46 wizzyrea yes. I will do that 19:48 rangi Thanks 19:48 wajasu i'm working on a script that builds a libvirt based vm (kvm in my case) for debiansqueeze. as long as you have a bridge already configured to the internet, it will build debiansqueeze(standard+mysql-server+mysql-client+web-server) with no prompts using a preseed.cfg. I'm going to add koha's deb, and later git. the image can be reused as a base image, or hopefully for one-off patch work. 19:49 wizzyrea oo, cool. 19:52 cait wizzyrea++ :) 19:53 wizzyrea what?! 19:53 wizzyrea what'd I do 19:56 cait write a good mail? :) 19:56 wajasu then maybe one could grab the image, boot it, sync with git master, make fix, test, make git commit, run a kohapatch script to prepare the patch and instruct on how to a) push to bug report, b) send to list serv, etc, also, a script could pull and patch the vm just like sandbox.pl does. 19:56 cait having a lovely signature? "I geek koha"? being awesome? 19:56 wizzyrea hehe 19:56 wizzyrea well thank you :) 19:58 rangi wasaju++ 20:01 rangi slef: around? 20:01 slef rangi: momentarily, bbi30 after that 20:04 rangi Get my email? 20:05 slef rangi: get my reply? 20:05 slef (oonly just sent) 20:05 rangi Cool will look 20:07 rangi Sweet ill email them back when I get to work thanks 20:31 rangi morning kathryn 20:32 kathryn morning rangi :) 20:32 kathryn and morning all 20:33 Elay Wow. I'm finally here. Sorry for the interruption. 20:34 rangi heya Elay :) 20:34 rangi Elay = lenora .. say hi everyone who is still awake :) 20:34 * rangi is chris c 20:34 Elay I'm at the StreamNet Library, Portland, Oregon, U.S. 20:34 jcamins Hi Elay. 20:34 rangi now you are on irc, you can join us for meetings and stuff in the future if you want too :) 20:35 Elay what, participate? 20:35 rangi hehe 20:35 rangi it's a crazy concept! 20:35 Elay Can I just say that I LOVE Koha? 20:36 cait hi Elay 20:36 rangi you can stay then :) 20:36 cait and morning kathryn 20:36 cait :) 20:36 Elay And now, I want to learn to code so I can play even more... 20:36 Elay Hi, cait & jcamins 20:37 rangi got your email Elay 20:37 Elay My family all code in various languages, except Perl. 20:37 Elay So, I'm really just giving in. Resistance is futile. 20:37 rangi so the file you want to look at is C4/Templates.pm 20:38 Elay Hm. 20:38 rangi now the trick is, you use windows eh? 20:38 rangi hmm darn owen has gone home 20:38 Elay I've got putty. 20:38 rangi ohh cool 20:38 Elay My tech support person is weaning me off Windows to linux 20:38 rangi good person 20:38 Elay Trick is to get to where I need to be 20:39 rangi friends don't let friends use proprietary software ;-) 20:39 Elay Love that. I'm putting that on my favorite quotes. 20:39 rangi so, do you know if on your linux box that you can connect to with putty, if there is a git checkout of koha? 20:40 * kathryn waves at cait :) 20:40 Elay I connect to my server via Putty 20:40 rangi cool 20:40 Elay so, question is, I have command prompt, how to I get to directory (DOS days are so far gone) 20:41 Elay I know that ages me. 20:41 rangi so we could edit the patch in situ on the server, but then a plague of sysadmins would reign fire down on me for telling you to do that 20:41 rangi rain 20:41 rangi even 20:41 rangi Elay: cd 20:41 Elay so would my sysadmin 20:41 rangi cd /where/i/want/to/go 20:42 Elay ls gives me nothing, so I have no directories? 20:43 Elay dir gives me 20:43 rangi ls 20:43 Elay bin dev etc initrd.img lost+found mnt proc sbin srv temp var 20:43 rangi not dir 20:43 Elay boot Docs home lib media opt root selinux sys usr vmlinuz 20:43 rangi well dir might work if someone has been nice to you, and aliased it :) 20:43 rangi what user to do you login as? 20:44 Elay whatever sysadmin gave me 20:44 rangi ahh 20:44 Elay damn, I'm lame 20:44 rangi type 20:44 rangi whoami 20:44 rangi then 20:44 rangi pwd 20:44 rangi pwd will tell where you are 20:45 Elay oftl 20:45 Elay at /home/oftl 20:46 Elay Can I download the software to a local drive rather than trying to retrieve from server? 20:47 rangi yep 20:48 rangi thats why i was wanting to see if owen was around, he uses git in windows .. i don't know how to do that im afraid 20:48 jcamins rangi: he does? 20:48 jcamins He's a saint! 20:48 rangi well maybe not anymore, he did once tho 20:48 Elay can't I put in a partition and split my drive for a linux side or is that way too hard? 20:49 rangi oh, you could put a linux virtualmachine on 20:49 rangi thats what a lot of people do 20:49 rangi chris_n: do you do that? 20:50 rangi im pretty much useless for anything to do with windows im afraid 20:50 rangi actually cait does i think 20:50 cait I do what? :) 20:51 cait we are using windows at work, so I have a virtualbox with koha there 20:51 rangi have a linux virtual machine on linux 20:51 jcamins I'd recommend Virtualbox. 20:51 rangi that 20:51 jcamins That's how cait does it. 20:51 cait well... if cait is not messing it up... like she did yesterday :( 20:51 cait but that was my fault, it used to work pretty nicely 20:51 rangi https://www.virtualbox.org/ 20:52 * jcamins successfully created a Koha test AMI for himself. 20:52 Elay Windows hosts? 20:53 cait windows is the host 20:53 cait and linux will be the guest :) 20:55 Elay Gotcha 21:09 jcamins The problem is probably Ubuntu 12.04, not user error. 21:09 jcamins Unfortunately, that's the extent of my wisdom. 21:09 rangi annoying 21:10 jcamins Yeah. I can't really offer that as "advice" on the mailing list. 21:20 Elay Whoops. VirtualMachine cut off some of my connections on install. 21:20 rangi helpful of it :) 21:20 cait ah sorry, I should have warned you 21:20 Elay eh, one of those things 21:21 cait next you should download your linux of choice 21:21 Elay debian.org? 21:21 jcamins Yes. 21:22 jcamins Debian is a very good choice. 21:22 cait I was using ubuntu in the past, but I think debian would be a good choice 21:22 rangi debian squeeze would be mine 21:22 * jcamins is on an anti-Ubuntu kick. 21:22 cait as I have to start over again anyway... I might try debian too :) 21:22 Elay I think sysadmin prefers debian squeeze as welll 21:22 rangi squeeze is rock solid 21:23 * jcamins has been setting up Squeeze servers all day. 21:24 jcamins We're on number... six? Seven? I last cont. 21:24 jcamins *count 21:25 wizzyrea has anyone ever gotten the SIP tests to run? 21:25 wizzyrea I'm trying to get them to, but I am failing. Miserably. 21:25 Elay i386? 21:25 wizzyrea is the target computer 32 bit or 64? 21:25 jcamins wizzyrea: I have, but I don't remember what I did. 21:26 wizzyrea curses. 21:26 Elay xp 21:26 wizzyrea that means it's me. 21:26 jcamins wizzyrea: it took a lot of work. 21:26 Elay lame, argh, I have fallen so far behind the friggin' curve 21:26 jcamins Elay: how much memory does it have? 21:27 Elay RAM is 3072 21:28 Elay hard drive is 150 GB 21:28 jcamins Elay: in that case you might as well go with i386. 21:28 Elay oh, good. I guessed right! 21:28 * jcamins always uses amd64, but your computer is old enough that it might not be 64-bit. 21:29 Elay is 2 yo. But can't upgrade until 3. 21:29 jcamins And it's running XP? I thought XP was a 9yo OS. 21:29 jcamins Anyway, i386 will work just fine. :) 21:30 * jcamins hasn't used Windows in a very, very long time. 21:30 jcamins Probably got XP confused with something else. 21:30 rangi jcamins: vista sucked so much 21:30 rangi lots of ppl just stayed with xp 21:30 wizzyrea ^^ 21:30 Elay I skipped right over Vista. 21:31 rangi yeah xp, until windows 7 21:31 Elay But got DH a computer with it, partially as revenge 21:31 Elay Was very cruel, I know 21:31 rangi pretty much every IT dept i know did that 21:31 Elay cuz I broke my home laptop and now have to share his computer. 21:31 rangi :) 21:31 * wizzyrea imagines elay rubbing his/her hands together evilly 21:31 Elay karma sucks 21:31 wahanui sucks has neutral karma 21:31 Elay her 21:32 rangi i install linux on every computer i touch, fair warning if we ever meet at kohacon again :) 21:32 wizzyrea excellent, we can practice our evil laughs together. 21:32 Elay will already be done on my new laptop 21:33 * jcamins restores a 2.8GB Koha database. 21:33 Elay so, while we're waiting for download...should I go large (17") or smaller for new laptop? 21:34 Elay Have an android tablet already. Yes, I have bought into the Don't Be Evil Empire. 21:34 wizzyrea what are you going to use it for? 21:34 Elay website development 21:34 Elay coding if I ever get to learn Perl... 21:34 wizzyrea get a middle sized one. 21:34 wizzyrea travel a lot/ 21:34 wizzyrea ? 21:35 Elay yes, but generally won't be doing much web or code while traveling 21:35 Elay so have tablet for travel. 21:35 wizzyrea so this laptop, will it sit on your lap much? 21:35 Elay all the time, have a very comfy recliner 21:35 wizzyrea get a middle sized one. 21:35 wizzyrea :) 21:35 wizzyrea 14 or 15 21:35 wahanui 15 21:36 rangi get a zareason.com one 21:36 rangi :) 21:36 ibeardslee oh, and they have an NZ company now 21:36 rangi they do :) 21:37 jcamins Ooh. They have 16GB laptops. 21:37 rangi eythian has one jcamins 21:38 rangi mine is only a paltry 8GB 21:38 rangi i really like it tho 21:38 * jcamins has 8GB in his laptop. 21:38 * wizzyrea too 21:38 jcamins Don't get me wrong, I'm very happy with the laptop. 21:38 jcamins But, there are days. 21:38 rangi i have https://zareason.com/shop/Alto-3880.html 21:38 rangi with debian squeeze and 8 gig 21:38 jcamins Like today. When I have 67MB of RAM free. 21:38 rangi its very nice 21:39 * cait has 8 too 21:39 jcamins (and 3GB swapped out, darn it) 21:39 jcamins Okay, but do they sell to the US? 21:39 ibeardslee yes 21:39 jcamins (not that I'm buying a laptop, I'm just curious) 21:40 jcamins Their website is a bit too minimalistic for my taste. 21:40 ibeardslee rangi and I are just excited that they are setting up shop in NZ, so we can now buy linux laptops 21:40 jcamins Oh, they're based in Berkeley. 21:40 Elay ok, Debian is done downloading 21:41 jcamins Wow. Their prices are kind of remarkable. 21:44 Elay What kind of disk do I want to create? 21:44 Elay VDI, VMDK, VHD, HDD 21:45 cait I think I used what was suggested, but someone might have better advice 21:46 jcamins I just use the default. 21:49 * jcamins realizes that he should have put home on a different volume. 21:49 jcamins Too late, of course. 21:54 Elay ok. time for me to go for today 21:54 Elay will work on the virtual machine later 21:55 rangi cool 22:08 rangi oh hey 22:08 rangi david nind is editing the wiki 22:08 rangi so it must be working for new users again 22:08 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Release_Announcements <-- good idea 22:19 jcamins Hey, is there any reason that Plack couldn't be chrooted? It seems to me that the web server does not need access to any (Koha-specific) files other than koha-conf.xml and /usr/share/koha. 22:20 cjh it would also need access to all the perl modules, but otherwise I cant think of any reason why not 22:21 rangi yeah chrooted should work 22:23 jcamins Seems to me like that might be a good idea. 22:23 rangi its not a bad idea 22:27 slef yengh... what do I need to send speakers? File formats, screen size, a link to the programme and a see-you-soon? 22:29 rangi yeah sounds good 22:29 rangi slef: mine is just html/javascript so should work on anything 22:30 rangi ill have my laptop, but am happy to just transfer it to the presentation machine too 22:33 * jcamins will probably record a video, so that there's a handout of sorts. 22:34 cjh are the presentations being recorded? 22:37 slef cjh: yes but no promises yet on quality, sadly 22:37 cjh worst case having access to the slides would work as well 22:38 slef if we can get the wifi up and there's enough power, I may be able to stream live 22:39 cjh so I can watch the presentations in my sleep ) 22:39 cjh that should 22:39 cjh sorry a bird is typing on my keyboard... that should've been a :) 22:39 slef http://bambuser.com/channel/mjray 22:39 slef is where it would be 22:40 cjh thanks :) 22:40 slef hey, it may all be different 22:40 slef I may be misleading you, getting my lies in early 22:43 eythian I'll probably be plugging my laptop in, especially for the hackfest part. 22:43 eythian I assume we'll have wifi for that, otherwise things won't work so well. 22:44 * eythian needs to write the hackfest part still 22:44 rangi oh yeah i meant just the kohacon bit 22:44 rangi and yeah me too 22:44 eythian I think that'll be today and tomorrow. 22:47 rangi actually i need to rejig my main talk a bit 22:47 eythian Mine needs review, as it's been a few days since I finished it. 22:47 eythian So I need to look at it fresh 22:53 slef I'm worried that we'll be bugfixing the wifi but it wouldn't be the first conference that's happened at. 22:54 slef but that's just me looking on the dark side again. 22:54 rangi :) worst comes to worst I can tether 22:55 slef it irritates me when I have to tether because the wifi is so obnoxious 22:55 slef but it happens a lot 22:55 rangi *nod* 22:55 slef it's like where I'm sat now 22:56 rangi holy crap 22:56 rangi how long has the save bar floated in the marc editor? 22:56 slef I'm on 3G dongle because it's cheaper than the wifi :-/ 22:56 rangi that's awesome! 22:56 slef since the blue 3.8 UI changes I think 22:56 * rangi likes 22:56 rangi having to scroll back to the top was a pet peeve 22:57 jcamins rangi: no, much longer. 22:58 slef page down pages down more than a page, though... not a big problem in the marc editor though, as most people don 22:58 slef t jump through that fast. 22:58 slef because the bit obscured by the floating bar isn't taken off of page-down distance by firefox 22:59 eythian definitely in 3.6 22:59 eythian slef: what sort of data plans will a prepay SIM card have there? 23:00 jcamins eythian: any chance I could persuade you to set up an oldstable dist during the hackfest? :) 23:00 eythian jcamins: it seems like a plausible thing for me to do :) 23:00 eythian also larsw will be there to help me :) 23:00 eythian liw rather 23:01 jcamins :) 23:02 rangi speaking of which, after i have had a refresher of his tutorial i plan to run one here 23:03 eythian cool 23:04 jcamins I _really_ want that one to be recorded. 23:04 rangi :) 23:04 eythian jcamins: you could just come to Edinburgh you know. It's not far from where you are. 23:04 eythian relatively speaking. 23:04 eythian It's the same hemisphere even 23:05 jcamins lol 23:10 rangi bug 8171 confuses me 23:10 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8171 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Improper escaping of quotes during z39.50 queries leads to potential malicious code execution 23:11 slef eythian: prepay for data only or in a phone? 23:12 eythian slef: phone 23:12 slef eythian: no clue, sorry. Have you tried the link on the wiki? If it doesn't help, I can ask around. 23:12 slef wahanui: kohacon12? 23:12 wahanui kohacon12 is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category:KohaCon12 or Conference Tue 5 June 2012 to Thu 7th, Hackfest Sat 9th June-Mon 11th June 23:13 slef eythian: it's on the summary page 23:13 eythian slef: no, it's OK. I was just wondering if you knew off the top of your head 23:13 eythian rangi: that bug is totally wrong 23:13 eythian I think the person doesn't know perl. 23:13 eythian (well, the quotes not working thing may be correct, but the rest of it not so much) 23:13 rangi yeah 23:14 slef eythian: looks like £10/Gb if you do it right, similar to prepay data-only, actually. 23:14 rangi updating now 23:14 slef (o2 web bolt-on) 23:15 eythian slef: that sounds ideal 23:15 slef http://www.o2.co.uk/tariffs/payandgo "The Works" 23:15 eythian more expensive than what I pay here, oddly enough :) 23:16 slef for prepay? 23:16 eythian but not terribly so 23:16 eythian not for prepay 23:16 eythian I have some bizarre non-stop promo plan 23:16 slef you get gouged on prepay 23:16 rangi yeah we sure do 23:16 eythian 3GB/mo for NZ$40 23:16 eythian near enough to £20 23:16 slef heh I meant in the UK but never mind 23:16 eythian but it's not supposed to exist 23:20 slef coo... looks like o2 and 3 are cheapest... interesting to know 23:21 slef I think for customer service vodafone = t-mobile > o2 > 3 > orange 23:22 slef hmmm Tesco £7.50 for 1Gb for one month 23:22 slef but they're a bad company 23:23 slef Tescopoly.org - Every Little Hurts 23:24 slef bbl 23:52 * Oak goes back to sleep