Time Nick Message 00:04 chris_n those must be some good waffles magnus_waffles 00:05 rangi heh i think he fell asleep on them 00:06 * chris_n has some baby-fell-asleep-in-plate pics of his children 00:07 rangi heh 00:08 jcamins_away chris_n: I think there's a picture of me sound asleep in a birthday cake when I was about two. 00:09 chris_n lol 00:09 * chris_n tries to imagine magnus asleep in a plate of waffles :-) 00:13 Space_Librarian o/ 00:15 rangi hi Space_Librarian 00:15 Space_Librarian heya! When are you off? 00:16 rangi sunday evening 00:16 Space_Librarian awesome 00:50 seanb anybody have experience running koha and drupal on the server? looking to cut some troubleshooting steps... 00:51 seanb *same server 00:51 rangi same people here as last time you asked :-) 00:51 seanb just checking :) 00:52 rangi you might want to try the mailing list, did you read what mtj posted too? 00:52 seanb this is purely an apache issue, so maybe you can point me in a healthy direction? 00:52 rangi yep 00:52 seanb i did read mtj paste and used it 00:52 rangi https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/vhosts/ 00:53 seanb and i am now using dns for my test server, for a proper test 00:53 seanb the problem is that no matter what i type for the subdomain in the url, it only hits the drupal site 00:54 seanb i already have that help page up :) 00:54 seanb on vhosts 00:54 rangi https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/core.html#namevirtualhost 00:54 seanb that one too 00:54 rangi well thats the answer there 00:55 seanb by adding a vhost for drupal, i was able to bring it up. but now i can't access koha, which isn't addressed in the apache help files 00:55 seanb the way koha is implemented, i'm not real clear on that 00:55 rangi its a virtual host too 00:55 rangi 2 of them in fact in one file 00:56 seanb yup 00:56 rangi theres nothing more to it than that 00:56 seanb but after adding a vhost for drupal, i can no longer surf to the koha instance 00:57 rangi yes 00:57 rangi and its most likely because you dont have a namevirtualhost entry 00:57 seanb but if both named vhosts reference the same ip address and have the correct ServerName entries, then it should work... at least to my knowledge 00:58 rangi if you haev a namevirtualhost entry 00:59 seanb oh wait. i don't 00:59 seanb i found that entry sitting in ports.conf, but that didn't seem right. so i was going to put it in httpd.conf 00:59 seanb but i didn't 00:59 seanb because i forgot 01:07 seanb and that solved it 01:08 seanb thank you very much for the equivalent of "did you check to make sure it was plugged in?" 01:08 rangi its always best to ask the easy questions first 01:08 rangi cos 90% of the time, thats what it is :) 01:09 seanb indeed 01:55 druthb o/ 01:55 Space_Librarian \o 01:55 druthb ! 02:40 eythian is it possible to make Koha have the first fine at $1, the next at $3, the next at $5, etc. 02:40 eythian I could see doing $2, $4, $6, but not how to start with an odd number 02:59 rangi yeah thats a tricky one 03:41 Amit_Gupta hyea bag 03:49 Amit_Gupta rangi around?? 03:49 rangi yep 04:03 Oak ah. ChanServ means we cannot talk about other stuff now? 04:03 Oak kia ora #koha 04:04 rangi hm? 04:04 Oak -ChanServ- [#koha] Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org 04:04 Oak :) 04:04 rangi yep 04:04 Oak or was it always there? 04:04 rangi not the other thing that people sometimes think is koha 04:04 Oak what other thing? :) 04:22 Amit_Gupta heya Oak 04:22 Oak heya Amit_Gupta 04:22 wahanui i heard Amit_Gupta was from Nucsoft Osslabs 04:22 Amit_Gupta heya wahanui yes i am 04:22 Amit_Gupta 4? 04:22 Amit_Gupta ? 04:23 Space_Librarian ignore the bot Amit_Gupta. :) 04:24 Oak i'm not a bot 04:24 Space_Librarian no Oak, you're not. :) 04:24 Oak i know 04:24 Oak :) 04:24 eythian I've never seen Oak and wahanui in the same room together, so how do you know? 04:24 Space_Librarian but are you a philosopher dreaming you're a hobbit? 04:25 Space_Librarian or a hobbit with too much pipeweed? 04:25 Space_Librarian And eythian makes an excellent point. How would we know? 04:25 Oak oh man. i better run 04:25 Oak if cait were here, she would have defended me 04:26 Space_Librarian it's alright, we know it's you. 05:24 cait hi #koha 05:24 Space_Librarian hey cait 05:24 cait hi Space_Librarian :) 05:26 Oak_ guten morgen cait 05:30 cait hi Oak_ :) 05:38 cait hi francharb :) next week? 05:38 francharb hi cait! yep! next week! 05:39 cait yay! 05:39 francharb :) 05:53 magnuse kia ora #koha! 05:53 magnuse @wunder boo 05:53 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 4.0°C (7:20 AM CEST on May 30, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). 05:53 magnuse well, it was under 3 and sleet half an hour ago... 05:54 eythian magnuse: thems some long waffles, magnuse 05:55 magnuse yeah, all night waffle party! 06:45 reiveune hello 06:48 cait hi reiveune :) 06:48 cait ... and bbl :) 06:48 reiveune hi cait :) 07:08 magnuse Oak 07:08 Oak magnuse :) 07:08 magnuse :-) 07:08 mib_pzd2m8 Hello! 07:10 Amit_Gupta Bug 8166 07:10 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8166 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, amit.gupta, Needs Signoff , Adding new currencies & exchange rates if not fill any field it save blank record 07:12 gaetan_B bonjour :) 07:13 mib_pzd2m8 When I try log in koha, I get error: Software error: Can't use an undefined value as an ARRAY reference at /opt/perl5/lib/site_perl/5.16.0/x86_64-linux-thread-multi/DBI.pm line 2054. koha-opac-error_log http://pastebin.com/PW0x9YpB Thank you in advance for help! 07:14 Amit_Gupta heya gaetan_B 07:14 wahanui gaetan_B is working at Biblibre and did the nice new start page together with asaurat or a fan of icons 07:14 gaetan_B hi Amit_Gupta :) 07:15 kf mib_pzd2m8: which version of Koha are you using? 07:15 mib_pzd2m8 koha-3.8.1 07:15 kf is this a new installation? did you update from a previous version? did it ever work? 07:17 mib_pzd2m8 it's new. I can log in in admin panel 8080 07:18 mib_pzd2m8 http://pastebin.com/nhZ6qvEC /usr/share/koha/misc/koha-install-log 07:18 kf did you change settngs recently? 07:19 kf there is a CAS error - is this feature activated? 07:20 kf ah, the paste was the logs, and the error on login is different? 07:23 mib_pzd2m8 in broweser when log in Can't use an undefined value as an ARRAY reference at /opt/perl5/lib/site_perl/5.16.0/x86_64-linux-thread-multi/DBI.pm line 2054. in /var/log/koha/koha-opac-error_log http://pastebin.com/PW0x9YpB CAS disable in admin panel, I show you config file now 07:26 rangi Check the borrower has an expiry date set 07:27 mib_pzd2m8 http://pastebin.com/jU2pZ2d7 koha-conf.xml 07:28 mib_pzd2m8 how check? please 07:30 mib_pzd2m8 I'm sorry, I just do not know much English 07:32 mib_pzd2m8 mysql> SELECT * FROM borrowers; Empty set (0.00 sec) 07:34 rangi mib_pzd2m8: the first thing you should do after logging into the admin side, is create a borrower and give it permissions and then use it to login from then on 07:34 rangi mib_pzd2m8: what is your native language? 07:34 paul_p good morning #koha 07:34 mib_pzd2m8 Russia 07:35 rangi hmm im not sure if the manual has been translated into russian yet 07:35 Amit_Gupta heya paul_p 07:35 mib_pzd2m8 wiil try create borrower 07:36 rangi http://manual.koha-community.org/3.8/en/addstaffpatron.html 07:38 rangi mib_pzd2m8: we should make it say a better error but the cause of it is, that the admin user isnt a real user, and so doesnt have an expiry date set 07:39 mib_pzd2m8 Oh 07:39 mib_pzd2m8 now read and try 07:39 rangi mib_pzd2m8: we do have some russian speakers who use koha 07:40 rangi but in the ukraine 07:40 kf rangi++ 07:40 rangi if you get stuck you could email the koha-translate mailing list, and ask on there if any russian speakers could help 07:41 mib_pzd2m8 not scary, it is possible in English, I'm just slow reply (read) 07:41 rangi ahh, i bet you read english much faster than i can read russian :) 07:42 rangi hi paul_p 07:53 kf back 07:53 rangi wb kf 07:55 Oak wb :) 07:55 kf :) 08:00 magnuse wb kf 08:10 rangi how many weeks now magnuse ? 08:10 mib_pzd2m8 :) A huge THANK YOU! Should just read the instructions (or ask advice) 08:11 rangi mib_pzd2m8: all working now? 08:13 mib_pzd2m8 yes, but still have some error in log koha-opac-error_log http://pastebin.com/3LScTruH 08:13 clrh When Owen wakes up generally? 08:13 clrh (hello :) 08:13 magnuse rangi: 4 weeks yesterday (but od course, only 5% arrive on the due date...) 08:14 rangi yep .. kahu was 5 weeks early 08:14 magnuse rangi: oops ;-) 08:14 rangi clrh: not before i go to sleep .. so not in the next 2-3 hours 08:15 clrh so maybe in 4 or 5 hours I can see him ? ;) 08:15 magnuse clrh: i'd guess 4 hours 08:15 mib_pzd2m8 this error important? 08:15 clrh great thansk :) 08:15 rangi mib_pzd2m8: i think its just a noisy warn, don't think you need to worry about that 08:16 mib_pzd2m8 THANK YOU! thank you! thank you! THANK YOU! 08:16 mib_pzd2m8 I'll go read the manual more carefully 08:17 rangi :) 08:17 mib_pzd2m8 Goodbye, good luck! 08:20 rangi thats a 1/100 success rate 08:20 rangi :) 08:21 * rangi very rarely manages to help a mibbit user 08:27 magnuse rangi++ 08:27 slef :) 08:46 magnuse sekjal++ 10:11 Oak oleonard++ 10:22 slef bloody paypal now apparently asking me to choose between breaking UK law or doing unfeasible amounts of work to regain access to the kohacon12 donations... trying to avoid it... not happy 10:23 kf :( 10:23 kf and hi slef 10:24 slef kf: I left cait a message but I think you have not got it yet. 10:24 slef thanks for the updates to programme 10:25 kf np 10:26 Oak we can all write emails to paypal individually protesting this. slef you prepare the draft, we all email. :) crazy idea huh. 10:29 slef Oak: how about doing that from KohaCon if they've not fixed it by then? The co-op has good credit at our real banks, so I think we can finance it until something like 20th July if we must. 10:30 slef Oak: but they are being a massive PITA 10:31 Oak hmm. we can wait till then. 10:42 rangi paul_p: http://gerrit.workbuffer.org:8080/#/ if you register there 10:42 rangi you can have a play 11:32 kf slef: still around? 11:40 slef kf: yes intermittently for next 20mins or so 11:40 kf ah 11:40 kf only wanted to ask if the other speakers did confirm? 11:40 kf hi jcamins :) 11:40 jcamins Good morning. 11:41 magnuse hiya jcamins 11:43 slef kf: not yet, still emailing them. 11:43 slef kf: no further concellations TTBOMK though 11:43 kf ttbomk? 11:43 kf have mercy with me ok? 11:46 magnuse ttbomk is To The Best Of My Knowledge 11:47 magnuse (according to teh googlez) 11:48 kf :) 11:57 slef heh, sorry, moving too fast 11:58 slef IOTTMCO 12:11 magnuse iottmco is probably Intuitively Obvious To the Most Casual Observer 12:11 magnuse IOTTMCO? 12:11 wahanui IOTTMCO is probably Intuitively Obvious To the Most Casual Observer 12:12 magnuse @wunder boo 12:12 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 4.0°C (2:00 PM CEST on May 30, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012 hPa (Rising). 12:12 magnuse guess "light rain" is a euphemism for something between hail and sleet 12:16 oleonard Hi #koha 12:16 magnuse kia ora oleonard 12:17 * magnuse whispers "he's here!" to clrh 12:18 clrh yeah! he's here! 12:18 clrh ^^ 12:18 * jcamins passes out the celebratory strawberries. 12:18 magnuse let the party begin! 12:19 Joubu hi 12:19 wahanui hey, Joubu 12:20 oleonard I'm right on time too! 12:21 clrh oleonard: I don't want to take to much time but I wanted to talk to you and other of one work we are beginning 12:21 oleonard Okay 12:22 paul_p rangi = I like gerrit ! 12:22 clrh this discussion can be followed by julian_m Joubu asaurat and francharb 12:22 clrh and paul_p 12:22 clrh a customer ask us to do a full design integration for opac-detail and opac-results 12:23 clrh it is not only 2 colors ;) 12:23 clrh we would like to avoid specific theme and specific patches for this custome 12:23 clrh r 12:24 clrh and begin to talk about this with you seems a go step 12:24 clrh what about you? 12:24 oleonard I don't know what you mean by "full design integration" 12:25 francharb hi oleonard 12:26 clrh oleonard: I'll show you just a minute 12:29 clrh https://depot.biblibre.com/chernandez/wip/maquette_graphique_opac_MAJ.pdf 12:30 jcamins You want to make Koha look like that? 12:31 clrh we don't know exactly what to do in how many days :) 12:31 clrh I think we can't do everything 12:31 jcamins I think you are right. :) 12:31 clrh but begining to work on opac structure to provide a more themable structure could be a good thing 12:32 clrh my first first quesion was to ask if you heard about similar initiative 12:32 jcamins +infinity! 12:32 clrh :) 12:32 kf not sure structure is the problem :) I mean there will always be some limitations 12:33 magnuse themability++ :-) 12:33 oleonard It may be possible that we can do some things to increase flexibility, but I agree with kf that there will always be limitations 12:33 clrh of course... 12:33 kf hm some nice ideas there 12:34 clrh there is a lots of "koha curstomisations" behind 12:34 kf clrh: is this only a picture or does it exist somewhere? 12:34 francharb kf, just a picture 12:35 clrh we have pictures elements and color 12:35 clrh but the work to do is integration ;) 12:35 jcamins kf: I think there are some structural issues with the results page. The checkboxes, numbers, descriptions, and cover images are in table cells with no identification. 12:36 jcamins That's the big one I noticed. You have to resort to :first-child, that sort of thing. 12:36 clrh julian_m: and Joubu began to list features or specific behaviour and classify if it can be done in xslt, css, templates or if it is a new feature 12:37 kf clrh: yes, I think a mix of all 12:38 clrh jcamins: can you reword this: (don't understand) You have to resort to :first-child, that sort of thing. 12:39 jcamins Sure. 12:41 jcamins If you want to modify the layout of a record on the results page, it's difficult because you can't use CSS to, for example, shift the checckbox. You have to use jQuery with the selector "tr td:first-child" 12:43 julian_m jcamins, about the search results table, we thinked about replacing table,tr,td... by a list of <div> because it could be much more customizable 12:43 julian_m what do you think? 12:43 jcamins julian_m++ 12:43 * jcamins doesn't have the expertise to do it, but if it can be done, thinks it would be a great idea. 12:47 julian_m what's your opinon on this oleonard ? kf ? 12:47 kf I am not sure about the consequences of that change 12:47 kf owen might know 12:49 magnuse fwiiw, i'm with jcamins: if it can be done, it's a great idea 12:50 oleonard sorry, got called away from my desk. reading back. 12:51 oleonard I think looking at a new grid system to help replace that table would be very beneficial 12:51 oleonard I haven't had the time to work on that project myself. I still think the Bootstrap grid is a good candidate to try. 12:52 oleonard I could even be that adding the Bootstrap grid is a possibility without (or before) doing a full OPAC template restructuring 12:52 francharb oleonard, bootstrap is css framework right? 12:53 oleonard Bootstrap includes a CSS grid and javascript tools, but I was looking only at the grid 12:53 chris_n what about jquery's theme system? 12:53 oleonard jquery doesn't have a grid system 12:53 oleonard The theme system is for changing the look of jqueryUI widgets 12:53 * chris_n is pretty ignorant about these things so keep that in mind :-) 13:35 magnuse @wunder Narsarsuaq 13:35 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Narsarsuaq, Greenland is 21.0°C (10:50 AM WGST on May 30, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 23%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). 13:36 magnuse @wunder boo 13:36 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0°C (3:20 PM CEST on May 30, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 13:36 magnuse hm... 13:44 drojf good day #koha 13:46 * drojf drafts talk for edinburgh 13:46 kf hi drojf :) 13:46 drojf hi kf :) 13:47 * kf installs koha in vb on her new computer 13:47 drojf new computer? nice 13:47 kf at work 13:47 drojf ah ok. still nice ;) 13:49 drojf is the koha website really slow/ unresponsive or is it just me? 13:50 oleonard Slow for me too drojf 13:50 drojf database error now 13:51 drojf better hit f5 a lot, that will help ;) 13:55 kf hm 13:55 kf looks like wiki mail is broken? 13:56 drojf the website is back though 13:56 * wizzyrea just fixed the website, nice of you to notice ^.^ 13:56 drojf :) 13:57 magnuse wizzyrea++ 13:57 drojf wizzyrea++ 13:57 kf drojf: you are talking to me encrypted 13:58 Oak wizzyrea++ 14:10 kf wizzyrea++ 14:10 kf websites? 14:10 kf hosting? 14:10 wahanui Koha Support Providers can be found at http://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/ 14:10 kf hm, that's not what I was looking for 14:10 wizzyrea and good morning, btw 14:10 oleonard web sites? 14:11 * oleonard shrugs 14:11 wizzyrea website administration? 14:11 wizzyrea nope. Lol. 14:11 kf administration? 14:11 jcamins administrators? 14:11 kf I thoguht slef taught him 14:11 jcamins folk with the keys to the kingdom? 14:11 drojf admins? 14:11 drojf meh 14:11 magnuse caratakers? 14:11 wizzyrea website administration is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Website_Administration 14:11 kf website administration is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Website_Administration 14:11 wizzyrea LOL 14:11 kf jinx 14:12 kf wah. 14:12 magnuse website administration? 14:12 wahanui i guess website administration is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Website_Administration 14:12 jcamins website administration? 14:12 wahanui website administration is, like, at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Website_Administration 14:12 * kf takes it back 14:13 jcamins solr demo? 14:14 jcamins solr demo is at http://catalogue.solr.biblibre.com/ 14:14 magnuse yay 14:14 jcamins Uh-oh. 14:14 jcamins clrh: the solr demo doesn't appear to be working. 14:14 jcamins It says "Error: Bad request! help message ?" when I enter in a keyword. 14:15 * magnuse replicates 14:15 hdl1 jcamins: maybe needs some reindexing 14:15 drojf oh yes i had the same problem a while ago. forgot to tell anyone :( 14:16 drojf stupid brain 14:17 jcamins hdl1: the authorities browser doesn't work, either. 14:17 jcamins hdl1: error about hashrefs. 14:18 clrh jcamins: I'll have a look 14:18 clrh solr can be down 14:19 clrh jcamins: it works for me 14:19 clrh wich url please? 14:19 jcamins http://catalogue.solr.biblibre.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=russie 14:20 clrh jcamins: because it moves http://catalogue.solr-demo.biblibre.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=russie&filters= 14:20 clrh moved 14:20 jcamins Oh. 14:20 jcamins Thanks. 14:20 jcamins forget solr demo 14:20 wahanui jcamins: I forgot solr demo 14:21 jcamins solr demo is http://catalogue.solr-demo.biblibre.com/ 14:21 jcamins clrh: that works. :D 14:21 jcamins Thanks! 14:21 jcamins I'll update the wiki. 14:21 clrh 03/05/2012 14:16 <- mail on koha-devel 14:21 clrh sorry for the trouble 14:21 jcamins No problem. 14:24 jcamins I updated the wiki so those of us who can't remember will see the correct URL. :) 14:24 magnuse jcamins++ 14:26 jcamins Okay, I need opinions. 14:26 jcamins I need to add more authority search options to the OPAC. 14:26 Oak jcamins++ 14:27 jcamins (Preferred heading, any heading, and keyword [what we have now]) 14:27 kf gmcharlt: ping 14:27 clrh thx 14:27 kf jcamins: perhaps make it optional? I think it would be overwhelming for our libraries 14:27 jcamins kf: yes, that wasn't the opinion. 14:27 kf jcamins: I got positive feedback about the simple interface now 14:27 jcamins I already planned that. 14:28 kf cool :) 14:28 kf sorry then 14:28 jcamins kf: the problem is that the library in question is planning on loading several *million* authority records. 14:28 jcamins So they need to be able to search more precisely. 14:28 magnuse yay! :-) 14:29 kf jcamins: makes sense, but glad we don't have to do that 14:29 jcamins The opinion I need is "add different boxes, or add a dropdown that says 'in keyword, main entry, any heading." 14:32 Oak by boxes you mean checkboxes> 14:32 jcamins I'm thinking adding a dropdown at the end of the line would make sense. 14:32 jcamins They don't need to do sophisticated boolean searching, they just need the ability to specify that they only want records where the heading is X (as opposed to notes). 14:32 jcamins No, textboxes. 14:32 Oak ah 14:32 jcamins Like we have in the authority plugin right now. 14:32 jcamins I think that's kind of daunting. 14:33 Oak http://baymard.com/blog/drop-down-usability 14:33 kf yeah 14:33 kf it's also creating problems 14:33 kf because you can't combine them really, can't you? 14:34 jcamins Right. 14:34 jcamins Well, you can, but it's really hard to do so in a meaningful way. 15:01 reiveune bye 15:07 slef wahanui: sysadmins? 15:07 wahanui i guess sysadmins is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Website_Administration 15:08 jcamins Oh my. 15:08 jcamins Word to the wise: do not look at opac/opac-authoritiesdetail.pl 15:08 slef gmcharlt: thd-away: can you check that the wiki is sending out confirmation emails? (see koha@lists today) 15:09 slef jcamins: I think I spotted opac/opac-tags.pl appearing to repeat code that is in C4 today, but I didn't want to know (kohacon to do!) so didn't look too closely. 15:09 slef @seen gmcharlt 15:09 huginn` slef: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 1 day, 17 hours, 20 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <gmcharlt> huzzah 15:09 slef @seen thd 15:09 huginn` slef: thd was last seen in #koha 6 days, 19 hours, 45 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: * thd runs off to work 15:09 slef @later tell gmcharlt please can you check that the wiki is sending out confirmation emails? (see koha@lists today) 15:09 huginn` slef: The operation succeeded. 15:10 Joubu bye 15:10 slef @later tell thd please can you check that the wiki is sending out confirmation emails? (see koha@lists today, I also asked gmcharlt ) 15:10 huginn` slef: The operation succeeded. 15:10 jcamins slef: probably the same code. 15:11 jcamins Eww. 15:11 jcamins It generates links in the Perl. 15:17 jcamins Huh. Actually, it doesn't generate links at all. Go figure. 15:24 jcamins Okay, now it generates links. 15:29 kf jcamins: I thik if you toss the file out and rewrite it it's probably best :P 15:29 kf jcamins: and the part of it that lives in C4 too 15:30 jcamins lol 15:30 kf jcamins: it has untranslatable strings! 15:30 kf jcamins: it's outputting html 15:30 kf it's evil 15:32 jcamins Does anyone have a demo with AuthDisplayHierarchy enabled and working? 15:33 hdl1 jcamins: http://biblio.nantes.archi.fr/cgi-bin/koha/opac-authoritiesdetail.pl?authid=45099 15:33 kf ? 15:33 hdl1 here you are. 15:34 jcamins hdl1++ 15:34 jcamins Thanks! 15:34 kf I didn't even know that existed :) 15:34 hdl1 kf: it is quite Unimarc specific. But works quite nicely 15:35 hdl1 s/nicely/fairly/ 15:35 hdl1 (not so cute in fac) 15:35 hdl1 fact even 15:35 kf :) 15:35 kf I trust in jcamins to make authorities awesome 15:45 jcamins unimarc authorities? 15:45 jcamins unimarc? 15:45 wahanui well, unimarc is http://www.ifla.org/en/publications/unimarc-formats-and-related-documentation 15:45 jcamins Good enough. :) 15:47 jcamins hdl1: a UNIMARC authority can only have one 2xx field at a time, right? 15:48 jcamins magnuse: around? 15:48 hdl1 jcamins: it is supposed to be so... 15:49 hdl1 It may have more than one though 15:49 hdl1 for translitteration purpose 15:49 jcamins hdl1: hmmm... well, I guess it's not so hard to handle that. 15:49 jcamins Maybe. 15:53 gaetan_B bye ! 16:16 jcamins hdl1: what is a 4xx field with a subfield 2 specified in an authority record? 16:16 jcamins I can't figure out if that's a reference saying "use this other authority instead," or a reference saying "use this authority instead of this other authority." 16:17 hdl1 $2 Subject system code 16:17 mib_7iphba How can I search using the Library of Congress Catalog Card number in z39.50? 16:18 jcamins hdl1: oh, so that's a reference to a different authority file? 16:18 hdl1 jcamins: http://archive.ifla.org/VI/3/p1996-1/uniafull.htm#CONTROLSUB 16:18 jcamins Hm. This is better than the document that I had. 16:18 jcamins Thanks. 16:18 hdl1 $2 is only a name of the reference .... Like Rameau 16:19 hdl1 It is old standard. 16:19 hdl1 but still quite usefull 16:20 hdl1 jcamins: what you want is rather $5 16:20 hdl1 (relation) 16:20 jcamins hdl1: I figured out what $5 meant. 16:21 jcamins I was trying to understand some old code in C4::AuthoritiesMarc::BuildSummary. 16:21 pastebot "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "the code in question" (6 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/423 16:22 hdl1 $2 contains the name or code of the thesausrus it is originated from 16:22 hdl1 $2 rameau 16:23 hdl1 $2 LCSH 16:23 hdl1 $2 MASH 16:23 hdl1 s/MASH/MESH/ (end of day here) 16:23 hdl1 for instance 16:24 jcamins Hm. So that's to make sure it only shows references from other authority files. 16:25 hdl1 jcamins: *nod... It is really old code that may have been quite specific for one network of libraries 16:26 hdl1 one could remove the id $field->subfield('2') condition 16:26 jcamins Okay. I will do that. It makes it more inline with the MARC21 code. 16:28 jcamins *in line 16:52 mib_7iphba How can I search using the Library of congress catalog card number? 16:52 jcamins mib_7iphba: what do you mean? 16:53 mib_7iphba in Z39.50 16:53 mib_7iphba For example 16:53 mib_7iphba I have in my hands "The reader's companion to World Literature." 16:53 jcamins Control number. 16:53 mib_7iphba yes. 16:53 mib_7iphba But when I search for it 16:54 mib_7iphba it doesn't show up 16:54 jcamins It may be that the library you are searching doesn't support that. 16:54 mib_7iphba The library of Congress? 16:54 jcamins Did you try it with LC? 16:54 jcamins Okay, that's not it. 16:54 mib_7iphba Yes. 16:54 jcamins I do that all the time. 16:55 mib_7iphba Dashes are zeros, correct? 16:55 jcamins No, dashes are ignored. 16:55 jcamins I think. 16:56 * jcamins tries. 16:56 jcamins Interesting. 16:56 jcamins It doesn't work. 16:56 mib_7iphba Ignoring the dashes gets another book 16:56 mib_7iphba And when I do find my book by the title, 16:56 mib_7iphba the catalog number shows up under LCCN 16:56 mib_7iphba correctly listed 16:57 mib_7iphba with dashes as 0s 16:57 * jcamins doesn't use LCCNs when copy cataloging from Koha, so had never noticed that it doesn't work. 16:58 mib_7iphba It works apparently when I enter it in RAW 16:58 jcamins The box is missing. 16:58 jcamins There used to be an option to search by LCCN, but it's not there anymore. 16:59 jcamins I'd just go with raw for now. 16:59 mib_7iphba is there a way to add a new MARC field to my Z39.50? 16:59 jcamins The problem is the interface. 16:59 jcamins All the code is already there. 17:00 mib_7iphba Is it not the "Control No."? 17:00 jcamins You'd have to use either jQuery or edit the templates manually. 17:00 mib_7iphba I presumed that was short for LCCN 17:00 jcamins No, that searches something else. 17:00 jcamins I thought it was, too. 17:00 mib_7iphba What is the template for the z39.50? 17:01 jcamins cataloguing/z3950_search.tt 17:02 jcamins Unless you are comfortable with programming, I cannot stress enough what a bad idea it is to modify the templates directly. 17:02 mib_7iphba I can rename and replace 17:02 mib_7iphba that way I keep the old template as a backup 17:02 mib_7iphba I presume it is PHP? 17:02 jcamins No. 17:02 jcamins Koha is written in Perl. 17:03 jcamins The templates are written in Template::Toolkit. 17:03 mib_7iphba Right. 17:03 mib_7iphba Well. 17:03 mib_7iphba I will take a look at it. 17:17 oleonard Isn't everything written in PHP? 17:17 Oak funny 17:17 Oak Hola cait 17:19 mib_odnodf I think I solved the lccn issue 17:23 jcamins Hmmm... guess it's still too early for rangi. 17:23 mib_odnodf No luck. Thought I had. 17:24 mib_odnodf I can't seem to find what displays the elements 17:24 jcamins I want a T::T filter that is entirely T::T 17:24 mib_odnodf I understand the pearl easy enough 17:24 jcamins mib_odnodf: it's probably called z3950_search.tt 17:25 slef @marc 952 17:25 wahanui The 952 field is used by Koha to store item data in MARC21 and is described at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Holdings_data_fields_%289xx%29 17:25 huginn` slef: unknown tag 952 17:25 mib_odnodf I have z3950_search.pl? 17:27 jcamins mib_odnodf: that's the Perl. In htdocs there is going to be a template. 17:28 mib_odnodf Ah 17:28 mib_odnodf I see 17:28 mib_odnodf Thanks! 17:31 mib_odnodf Got it! 17:44 * drojf got a lonely planet edinburgh in the mail o/ 17:44 slef edinburgh's a planet now? 17:45 slef cait, mjkaye: we need to change travel plans! ;-) 17:45 drojf yes it is :P 17:45 mjkaye lol 17:46 cait :) 17:56 slef kohacon meeting in 3+ mins 17:57 * cait waves 17:58 * slef waves back, bemused 17:59 * drojf watches cait and slef waving 18:00 slef cait: are you chairing? 18:00 * slef waves at drojf 18:00 cait I can 18:00 cait only forgot how to start the bot again 18:00 cait #startmeeting 18:00 wahanui if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me 18:00 huginn` Meeting started Wed May 30 17:59:54 2012 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:00 huginn` Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:00 * drojf waves back 18:00 slef it's #startmeeting (nice try at tricking me) 18:00 cait welcome to the last kohacon12 volunteer's meeting 18:00 cait please introduce yourself with #info 18:00 slef last IRC one before we start anyway ;) 18:00 slef #topic Introductions 18:00 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 18:01 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany 18:01 slef heh, huginn` ignores me 18:01 cait #topic introductions 18:01 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 18:01 slef #info MJ Ray, software.coop, Somerset... no, wait, that was last week... Norfolk, England 18:01 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany 18:01 mjkaye #info Michael J Kaye, software.coop, slef's colleague. 18:02 cait jcamins? 18:02 wahanui jcamins is an outstanding cook, well-traveled and brilliant, trying to think of a solution, or the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra or an authorities expert 18:02 slef wahanui? 18:02 wahanui slef? 18:02 slef wahanui: are you OK? 18:02 wahanui i haven't a clue, slef 18:02 drojf #info Mirko Tietgen, HU Berlin, just curious 18:02 slef wahanui: awww, never mind, have a botsnack. 18:02 wahanui thanks slef :) 18:03 cait slef: do you want to give as a short update? 18:03 slef cait: shall we go for Roadmap or start to questions? 18:03 cait #Roadmap to KohaCon12 18:03 slef straight to questions... ahem 18:03 slef #topic... 18:03 cait #topic Roadmap to KohaCon12 18:03 slef #info Email summary sent to volunteers about 2 hours ago 18:04 slef #info One error in it... should have said about 80 registrations. 18:04 cait yay! 18:04 slef #info It's probably a tie for what has taken most time this week, between preparing for printing and trying to get Paypal to release our donations. 18:05 slef #info Thanks to cait, rangi, kyleh, jcamins and my colleagues mjkaye and mle_ for their help and work this week. 18:06 cait slef++ # for all his hard work and battling paypal 18:06 slef Any questions? Anyone not seen that email who wants to see it? 18:06 cait slef: do you have an idea of how many people will attend the hackfest? 18:07 slef cait: not right now. That will be revealed as part of preparing the attendee lists. 18:07 cait ok 18:07 slef I can see if the IMAP server will let me query it 18:07 cait is there something we can help with? 18:07 slef ask other questions while I do that :) 18:08 cait I think for now the schedule should be ok 18:08 cait so for conference, is there something you need help with on site? 18:08 cait most of us arrive monday I think so should be possible to be around a bit earlier helping with things 18:08 slef #info IMAP server claims 38 people for hackfest 18:08 cait oh nice 18:10 slef To be frank, part of the problem is that it was something like 12 years since I last co-organised a conference and I only had a small role then and we usually used expensive event managers so I probably don't know what needs doing on the site. 18:10 techbee Hello all , have installed koha on virutal machine but wen i try to access web access it redirect to maintenance.pl 18:10 slef #idea please put any suggestions into http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon12_Volunteers 18:10 slef #info (suggestions for what needs to be at the event, that is) 18:10 cait perhaps mle does know more? 18:11 slef techbee: hi. Can you give us a few minutes (20 max I think) to finish the meeting? 18:11 cait like if the chairs and all will be set already or if we have to move stuff? set up a registration desk? 18:11 cait this kind of things 18:11 techbee sure slef 18:11 cait mle_: around? :) 18:11 slef cait: probably mle_ knows more. I think chairs will be site, but some stuff will need moving, including setting up a registration desk. 18:12 slef chairs will be set up, even 18:12 cait if we have room and tables, some tables like in nz would be nice 18:12 slef dyslexia + autocomplete = gibberish 18:12 cait in the back for people blogging and twittering 18:12 slef I think mle_ will be here next on Friday. 18:13 slef Yes, it looks like we will have room for that... 18:14 cait ok, so perhaps you can send a mail when you know 18:14 slef If I remember right, the max for the talks room without tables is 120, and we may lose 10 or 20 for the registration. 18:14 cait and we can be there earlier 18:14 slef mjkaye: don't suppose you fancy reading the case file for SC #2612 to see if it says? ;-) 18:15 * mjkaye looks 18:15 cait ok, no more questions from me 18:15 slef OK, I think no-one else has any? 18:16 slef let's give mjkaye a minute though 18:16 slef and anyone else can ask if they think of any 18:16 slef and I can grovel for not testing the projector yet 18:17 slef I'll do that as soon as this meeting is finished 18:17 slef I have it right here by my desk 18:17 cait #action slef, mle_ or mjkaye to mail the mailing list if volunteer's can help with somethong on site or before the event 18:17 slef and paul_p offered to bring one too 18:17 slef which would be helpful 18:17 jwagner slef, any word on remote presentation plans? 18:18 mjkaye I can see that we said we wanted room for 120 people, but can't find confirmation yet. 18:19 slef jwagner: we'll definitely have some sort of inbound link for that, as I understand it. I'm still less sure what sort of outbound link for the audience we have. 18:20 slef mjkaye: ok, no matter. 18:20 slef mjkaye: one of us should call them, else dump it on mle on Friday ;) 18:21 slef jwagner: as to exactly what software, I don't know. I suppose if we do have two projectors, then we could have slides on one, presenter on other. 18:22 jwagner OK, thanks. Will need enough advance notice to install & test whatever connection software you want to use. 18:23 slef jwagner: expect you and jcamins to get cc'd on an email about connection software Real Soon Now 18:23 jwagner OK 18:23 cait ok, I think we can wrap up the meeting here? 18:24 cait as this is the last meeting before KohaCon - I will skip the last topic :) 18:24 cait #endmeeting 18:24 huginn` Meeting ended Wed May 30 18:23:45 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 18:24 huginn` Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-05-30-17.59.html 18:24 huginn` Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-05-30-17.59.txt 18:24 huginn` Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-05-30-17.59.log.html 18:24 slef aw I was going to say Monday 6pm Library Bar ;) 18:25 slef techbee: so, you were asking? 18:25 cait slef: sorry! 18:26 techbee slef: yes, i am not sure about issue but when i try to web access after installation it redirects to maintance.pl 18:26 techbee http://208.117.46.227:8080/cgi-bin/koha/maintenance.pl 18:27 slef cait: never mind. 18:27 slef techbee: you need to run the web installer on the librarian interface first 18:27 slef techbee: you might find that on :8000 18:28 slef or not 18:28 slef check your koha-httpd.conf to find the other VirtualHost 18:30 techbee i did set both to 8080 , should i define other port 18:31 slef ah no 18:31 slef not necessarily 18:31 slef you need to call the other one by its ServerName then 18:31 slef assuming you have a suitable NameVirtualHost 208.117.46.227:8080 18:31 slef then apache will select between them based on which ServerName you use 18:32 slef wahanui: VirtualHosts? 18:32 wahanui wish i knew, slef 18:32 slef wahanui: VirtualHost? 18:32 wahanui i think VirtualHost is http://httpd.apache.org/docs/trunk/vhosts/ 18:33 slef techbee: wahanui just gave a link for a general guide, but this is a webserver setup problem more than a koha one. 18:33 slef techbee: The Right Way To Do It depends on what "It" is for you. 18:33 techbee VirtualHost configuration: wildcard NameVirtualHosts and _default_ servers: *:80 vps42092.mylogin.co (/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default:1) *:8080 is a NameVirtualHost default server vps42092.mylogin.co (/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/kidasia:4) port 8080 namevhost vps42092.mylogin.co (/etc/apache2/sites-ena 18:34 techbee apachectl -S output 18:35 techbee not sure what's problem here? 18:38 jcamins techbee: the problem is that you aren't using name-based virtual hosts. 18:39 jcamins If you want to have them on the same port, you have to access them by *name*. 18:39 jcamins Alternatively, you can put them on different ports. 18:43 wizzyrea does anyone out there use autoblogo? 18:45 * oleonard can't even look up what it is because the site is down 18:45 wizzyrea O RLY 18:46 techbee thanks jcamins it worked 18:46 * wizzyrea was wondering because it's doing some irritating things in regards to fetching feeds from k-c.org 18:46 wizzyrea and I was wondering who out there was using it 18:46 jcamins techbee: glad to hear it. 19:02 slef wizzyrea: is it hammering tags? 19:02 wizzyrea no, it's requesting the full feed every 5 seconds 19:02 wizzyrea or some nonsense. 19:05 slef ow 19:06 slef we had someone hammering tags on our servers, I know not why 19:08 jcamins cait: where do the horrid untranslateable bits appear, other than the cataloguing plugin, the authorities module, and the OPAC? 19:08 cait isn't that enough? 19:08 cait :) 19:09 cait I think you covered it with those, not aware of other places 19:09 cait we don't do much with authorities yet, so it has not spread 19:11 jcamins That's good. :) 19:21 jcamins cait: is there a bug about the strings being untranslateable? 19:22 cait yes 19:22 cait give me a second to find it 19:22 cait bug 7943 19:23 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7943 normal, P5 - low, ---, frederic, NEW , Untranslatable strings in OPAC's authority search 19:24 oleonard Speaking of which, Bug 7599 19:24 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7599 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Cart JavaScript contains untranslatable English strings 19:24 jcamins Bug 7943 is perfect, thanks. 19:26 jcamins @query autocomplete 19:26 huginn` jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5481 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Replace YUI JS libraries with Jquery UI 19:26 huginn` jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7747 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Replace YUI autocomplete with jQueryUI 19:26 huginn` jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7400 enhancement, P3, ---, matthias.meusburger, Pushed to Master , Add auto-completion on auth_finder 19:26 huginn` jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5009 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , add autocomplete="off" to borrowernumbers and barcode forms 19:26 huginn` jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5180 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Autocomplete broken on overdues report 19:32 rangi Morning 19:33 pastebot "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "cait: bug 7943" (15 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/424 19:33 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7943 normal, P5 - low, ---, frederic, NEW , Untranslatable strings in OPAC's authority search 19:33 * jcamins will attach it to the bug as soon as it works. 19:35 cait morning rangi 19:35 cait :) 19:35 wizzyrea mornin 19:35 jcamins I have a question. 19:35 jcamins Authority autocomplete. 19:36 cait ? 19:36 rangi No 19:36 jcamins Do we really want all the information about see from references to show up? 19:36 cait I am not sure 19:36 jcamins The way I use it, it'd make a lot more sense if it just gave me the heading. 19:36 cait but I wondered that myself 19:36 rangi I stand by my answer 19:36 cait I think the heading 19:37 cait and the thing that made it show up in search would be nice 19:37 jcamins cait: hahahaha. 19:37 cait what? 19:37 cait it's an honest wish :) 19:37 cait serious? 19:37 jcamins Choose one! :P 19:37 cait my brain is tired 19:37 jcamins You should go to sleep so you can get up early to do accounting. 19:37 cait you can do magic, why can't you do that? 19:37 cait now you are being mean *sniff* 19:38 cait I think it was once possible for normal search 19:38 cait it used to show you what matched 19:38 jcamins I could do that, but it falls under the heading of "things that would take so much time that someone would ahve to be paying for it." :( 19:38 cait it would be nice having that :) 19:39 jcamins have, even 19:39 cait ok, enh request then 19:39 cait but it would be nice, right? :) 19:39 jcamins It would be very nice. 19:39 jcamins I'm going to go with the heading-only option. 19:40 jcamins If the BibLibrans feel that it's better with everything I'll add that, but I'd just as soon not add any T::T processing to the autocomplete. 19:42 rangi Bywater++ 19:43 * rangi checks sponsors page 19:43 cait jcamins: don't get the autocomplete part 19:43 cait can you explain? 19:43 jcamins cait: what do you mean? 19:44 cait what you said about autocomplete 19:44 jcamins That I'd prefer not to add any T::T processing? 19:44 jcamins Right now we just use "print" 19:44 cait hm 19:45 cait are you doing a better detail display? 19:45 cait because i was just thinking that I killed the detail display, so without the see/seealso in the list, there is no way to see them 19:45 jcamins Right now I'm just modifying the search result display. 19:45 cait but the existing marc display.... is really not good for users in opa 19:45 jcamins Wait, there used to be a detail display? 19:45 cait c 19:46 cait a marc style detail display 19:46 cait ugly 19:46 jcamins cait: oh, yeah, we need a nice one. 19:48 rangi Hmm 4 cello on this bus now 19:49 wizzyrea like, stringed instrument cellos? 19:49 wizzyrea or… something else 19:50 rangi Yeah that 19:50 wahanui somebody said Yeah that was fine as it is 19:50 rangi Music students 19:50 oleonard Cello bus flash mob 19:52 cait jcamins: so I am ok with removing if oyu manage to add a user friendly detail display 19:54 rangi My stop bbiab 19:57 slef hi rangi. Gave you a shout-out during the kohacon meeting. 20:00 rangi back 20:00 rangi oh? 20:00 * rangi reads back 20:01 rangi ah :) 20:03 jcamins You know, I'm just going to squash the two patches together. 20:31 oleonard Okay, I think the jQueryUI tabs patch is just about ready 20:31 rangi wooo 20:31 oleonard On to datepickers next! 20:31 rangi oleonard++ 20:31 rangi and then nosepickers! 20:31 * rangi resorts to 3year old humour 20:32 oleonard Yesterday when I dragged my 3yo's finger out of her nose she told me seriously, "it's okay I wasn't going to eat it" 20:32 wizzyrea ^^ is epic. 20:34 oleonard And with that I bid you good night! 20:34 cait good night oleonard :) 20:40 rangi http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/news/koha-releases-new-version-as-trademark-defended 20:41 wizzyrea oo good article 20:42 cait yep nice 20:56 mib_ail2yz How can I change the default Koha cataloging framework to something other than default 21:04 jcamins "Autolocation independent venues"? 21:05 jcamins Don't think I've ever heard of that. 21:05 rangi hmm 21:05 rangi might be a translation thing 21:05 rangi but you can restrict by ipnumbers there is a syspref for that 21:06 rangi lemme find it 21:06 rangi Autolocation it is called 21:06 rangi in the administration tab 21:07 jcamins Ah, guess that's what the problem is, then. 21:07 jcamins Or has something to do with it. 21:07 rangi i bet they need that switched to don't require or specify the ip ranges when setting up the library 21:07 rangi i bet they turned it on 21:08 mib_ail2yz How can I change the default cataloging framework for after a z3950? 21:08 jcamins mib_ail2yz: I don't think you can. 21:09 jcamins I may be mistaken, though. I don't use frameworks. 21:10 mib_ail2yz What do you use 21:10 mib_ail2yz ? 21:11 jcamins mib_ail2yz: the default framework. 21:11 wahanui i think the default framework is ok in this case 21:12 mib_ail2yz I'm going to try to inspect the element and trace it back, I guess 21:12 jcamins The first question? 21:12 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?" 21:16 mib_ail2yz yes. 21:16 mib_ail2yz the first question 21:16 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?" 21:17 jcamins mib_ail2yz: that was for you. 21:17 jcamins (the first question) 21:20 mib_ail2yz Wait, 21:20 mib_ail2yz what? 21:21 jcamins mib_ail2yz: I was wondering what problem you were trying to solve. 21:21 jcamins @quote search typo 21:21 huginn` jcamins: 2 found: #135: "rangi: $tempate->{VARS}->{'LoginBranchname'} -..." and #82: "<pianohack> nengard: If you were using a..." 21:24 mib_ail2yz I am trying to get the framework to default to BKS 21:24 jcamins mib_ail2yz: right, why? 21:25 jcamins There must be a reason you decided it was important enough to dive into the code when I said I didn't think it could be done. 21:26 wizzyrea mib_ail2yz: it might be able to be done with jquery ,but I haven't tried it. 21:26 wizzyrea koha itself doesn't let you specify a different default framework than the default (that I am aware of) 21:26 mib_ail2yz right, 21:27 mib_ail2yz I am just trying to make life easier on our catalogers 21:27 wizzyrea speaking from experience, they will learn. 21:27 mib_ail2yz And am not daunted by PERL 21:27 mib_ail2yz They have 21:27 mib_ail2yz it's an efficiency thing 21:28 wizzyrea power to ya then. 21:28 mib_ail2yz I'm almost there 21:28 mib_ail2yz Now, 21:28 jcamins mib_ail2yz: my experience has always been that catalogers get irate if you start taking away the less common fields. 21:28 jcamins :) 21:28 mib_ail2yz The first option is listed as BKS 21:28 mib_ail2yz but acts like default 21:28 mib_ail2yz unless I switch to another framework 21:28 mib_ail2yz and then back 21:28 mib_ail2yz in which case 21:28 mib_ail2yz it acts like BKS 21:29 jcamins Default is the framework with the id ''. 21:30 mib_ail2yz I can't change that ID, can I? 21:30 jcamins Not easily. 21:31 * wizzyrea states the obvious "you could always make your default framework just like your BKS" 21:32 wizzyrea using export - import 21:32 mib_ail2yz Rookie to koha. 21:33 jcamins wizzyrea: yeah, but then you'd lose your Default framework, which would be awful. 21:33 wizzyrea or 21:33 wizzyrea you export the default 21:33 wizzyrea make a new framework 21:33 wizzyrea import the default into that 21:33 wizzyrea then overwrite the default 21:33 wizzyrea then you lose nuthin. 21:33 wizzyrea :P 21:33 jcamins Fair enough. 21:33 wizzyrea I mean, *I haven't tried it* 21:34 wizzyrea *try it at your own risk* 21:34 wizzyrea meaning: don't do it on production 21:34 mib_ail2yz :D 21:34 wizzyrea consider yourself warned >.> 21:34 wizzyrea :D 21:34 wizzyrea I have, however, done the whole "export a framework, edit it, then reimport it" thing 21:34 wizzyrea and that works quite well. 21:35 mib_ail2yz I wish I had just a tiny bit more experience with perl 21:35 wizzyrea in all truth, probably easier to work with the tools koha gives you 21:35 wizzyrea though admittedly it's fun to hack around on koha 21:36 rangi editing the perl is pretty much a bad idea UNLESS you send your changes upstream 21:36 wizzyrea ^^^^^^^^^ 21:36 wizzyrea what he said. 21:36 rangi koha does 6 monthly feature releases, and more importantly 1 month bug and security releases 21:36 wizzyrea upgrades are ouchy if you have local changes. 21:36 rangi local changes, make it hard to do that 21:36 mib_ail2yz I haven't updated at all 21:37 jcamins ... and it's generally a good idea to keep your system at least somewhat up-to-date because we can't help all that much with old versions, simply because we don't have copies installed. 21:37 jcamins Also, security and bug fixes are considered a good idea to keep current on. ;) 21:37 wizzyrea plus … gah I'm too slow. 21:38 wizzyrea we fix lotsa stuff 21:38 wizzyrea out of curiosity, what version are you running? 21:39 mib_ail2yz Let me check 21:40 wizzyrea more -> about koha 21:40 mib_ail2yz 3.06.04.000 21:41 mib_ail2yz I was looking about some other things 21:41 wizzyrea decently up to date :) 21:41 jcamins Okay, only one version behind is good. :) 21:41 mib_ail2yz My koha is mostly default 21:41 mib_ail2yz 3.8 is out? 21:41 jcamins When you said "I haven't updated at all," I was picturing 3.0.0. ;) 21:41 jcamins 3.8.1. 21:41 jcamins And 3.6.5. 21:41 jcamins The 3.6.x line will be maintained until 3.10 is released. 21:42 mib_ail2yz I only added that LCCN box to the z39.50. That's a crime that it's not default 21:42 mib_ail2yz and my OPAC is customized 21:42 jcamins mib_ail2yz: you should file a bug and submit your patch. 21:42 mib_ail2yz for the LCCN? 21:42 jcamins I'd sign off on it so it could get into Koha proper. 21:42 jcamins Yup. 21:42 mib_ail2yz How can I do that? 21:42 cait I think it used to be there? 21:42 jcamins Clearly it was supposed to be there, but it vanished. 21:43 jcamins cait: yeah, all the code is there. 21:43 cait I remember repairing tha tfor someone once 21:43 jcamins cait: not sure why it disappeared, since it's useful. 21:43 jcamins bugs? 21:43 wahanui i think bugs is found at http://bugs.koha-community.org. Please fix any bugs you find. :) or reporting them is helpful, too. 21:43 cait or I thought that was that lccn thing 21:43 jcamins cait: it probably was. 21:43 jcamins mib_ail2yz: report a bug at bugs.koha-community.org. 21:45 jcamins We have a page on getting started developing for Koha on the wiki. 21:45 jcamins Let me find it. 21:46 jcamins http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Setting_Up_Koha_in_Virtual_Environment_%2B_Using_That_as_a_Development_Environment 21:46 cait bug 5092 21:46 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5092 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, katrin.fischer, RESOLVED FIXED, No results when searching by LC Call Number: in Z39.50 Server 21:46 jcamins cait: oh, that's LC call number. 21:46 cait and what is lccn? 21:47 mib_ail2yz Catalog number 21:47 cait hm 21:47 cait which field is that in marc? 21:47 cait and is it only for loc? 21:47 jcamins 010 21:48 jcamins cait: it's used for cataloging-in-publication. 21:48 mib_ail2yz the perl syntax is incorrect, is all 21:48 mib_ail2yz and so it's not in the template 21:48 mib_ail2yz presumably because it wasn't working. 21:49 wizzyrea patch! 21:49 wizzyrea version control using git? 21:49 wahanui version control using git is probably at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git 21:49 wizzyrea ^^^ see here 21:49 jcamins Also eythian's detailed instructions on setting up a VM which I linked earlier. 21:49 mib_ail2yz Wait, what? 21:49 wahanui Wait, is it only in items? 21:50 mib_ail2yz I am listing more than at bugs.koha-community? 21:50 wizzyrea you don't have to, but if you have a patch to fix a problem 21:50 wizzyrea we'd love to have it 21:50 mib_ail2yz I do. 21:51 mib_ail2yz Where can I put that 21:51 wizzyrea you can attach the patch to your bug 21:51 mib_ail2yz ok 21:51 wizzyrea and probably you'll want to email it to koha-patches@lists.koha-community org (after registering for that list) 21:53 mib_ail2yz list? 21:53 wahanui i guess list is not ready yet =) 21:54 wizzyrea koha-patches is a listserv you have to be a member of 21:54 wizzyrea lists? 21:54 wahanui lists is probably a good idea 21:54 wizzyrea hrmph. 21:54 wizzyrea koha lists? 21:54 * wizzyrea scowls at wahanui 21:54 wizzyrea koha mailing lists? 21:54 wizzyrea koha mailing lists are found at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ 21:55 wizzyrea now he'll know what to say :P 21:55 wizzyrea forget list 21:55 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot list 21:55 wizzyrea forget lists 21:55 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot lists 21:58 * jcamins heads out to an event. 22:02 mib_ail2yz Can I add more than one attatchment? 22:07 eythian yes 22:10 mib_ail2yz Patch posted and emailed.