Time  Nick         Message
00:00 eythian      oh, maybe if you specified a custom db...
00:00 eythian      I need to change that in the intructions, I think it risks creating more confusion.
00:01 ASUSunDevil  hmm, I don't remember doing that, I mean I created the /etc/koha/passwd file, but that didn't have any custom database stuff in it...
00:02 eythian      yeah, you don't have to do that
00:02 eythian      The instructions make it seem like you do, but you don't
00:03 ASUSunDevil  could it be that my user account (username is koha) doesn't have access to the mysql database?
00:04 eythian      No
00:04 eythian      that's not how mysql works
00:05 ASUSunDevil  hmm, playing around at first seems to have mucked up a bunch of stuff then, probably be easier if I just started over again...
00:05 ASUSunDevil  now that know he process, I migh start over
00:05 eythian      the problem is the password in the koha-conf.xml doesn't match the password that was used to create the database user.
00:06 ASUSunDevil  oh
00:06 eythian      I've updated the page about the password stuff to emphasise that it's optional
00:07 ASUSunDevil  where does tha koha-conf.xml file live?
00:07 eythian      The bit about the languages at the bottom will never work too, I need to give that whole thing a tidy up.
00:07 eythian      /etc/koha/sites/instancename/koha-conf.xml
00:09 ASUSunDevil  so, if that file /etc/koha/passwd exists, does it force it in some way to use it? Or will it just ignore it?
00:11 eythian      I'm not sure
00:11 eythian      I haven't looked at the code for it for ages
00:12 eythian      ah no, it lets you predefine your passwords.
00:13 eythian      so it only works if your instancename is defined in the password file
00:13 eythian      but it's only needed in some situations that aren't all that common
00:27 ASUSunDevil  hmm, ok, I just think my playing around initiall got some stuff all mucked up, so I think I'm gonna try a fresh system and go from there.
01:31 Oak          \o
02:02 druthb       o/
02:18 ASUSunDevil  Eythian: I reinstalled ubuntu, installed koha-common, all worked fine. Still had the problem with the errors, and figured out that is had to do with the default user that was entered into the koha-site.conf.xml file. Did some mysql magic, changed some passwords in that mysql and make the .xml file match that user account and I was able to get to the admin site at: spllib.la.asu.edu:8080. I went
02:18 ASUSunDevil  through the setup, all works fine, I am able to get into the management interface, now I need to get the opac site to load on port 80, but it's not working. How can I get the public side to show now?
02:19 jcamins_away sudo a2dissite default
02:21 ASUSunDevil  excellent! that did it! thank you so much! Could there be some sort of bug in the installer that mucks up the user info that goes into that .xml file? I tried the koha-create several times, but it never worked right...then I started digging into the reason why and ended up being the mysql privileges it set in the xml file didn't match up with mysql...
02:22 eythian      ASUSunDevil: it should just work
02:22 jcamins_away I've never had any problems before.
02:22 eythian      but I haven't tried in ubuntu for a while
02:22 jcamins_away eythian: ah, true.
02:22 jcamins_away I haven't used 12.04.
02:25 ASUSunDevil  I am using 12.04 lts server....not sure if it was something there or not, but that was the trick. Basically I went in to mysql, updated the username and password. Then I granted privileges on the database for that user. Then changed the info in the XML file and it allowed me to log into the management interface and do the rest of the setup...just an fyi...
02:25 jcamins_away ASUSunDevil: what was the password set to in MySQL?
02:26 ASUSunDevil  you know, I really have no idea, the one in the xml file was some random password of upper and lower case letters. I just reset it to something that suited me, then changed it to match in the XML file. I tried setting privileges on the database to start, thinking that might have been it. Then did the password and that made it work.
02:27 jcamins_away Yeah, it was supposed to be random.
02:27 ASUSunDevil  I'm wondering if there was some reason in 12.04 that the password didn't get set right...oh, another thing was that the host was set to "%", and I changed that to 'localhost' that was the only other change I made.
02:29 ASUSunDevil  You know I can't be sure it was autoinstaller either, this is my first time installing koha this way, so it could have been me, but that is how I fixed it.
02:31 ASUSunDevil  I want to thank ALL of you for helping me troubleshoot it though! You guys are great!
02:33 eythian      np :)
02:33 ASUSunDevil  Now comes the real fun, configuration and population! ;o)
03:43 chris_n      g'night
04:34 Oak          kia ora #koha
05:40 Oak          heya cait
05:40 mtj          hmm, koha-bz server is down, atm?
05:40 mtj          down, or sloooow...?
05:41 mtj          pings ok, so just slow :)
05:42 cait         hi mtj and hi Oak :)
05:45 WaqarAzeem   Good morning ...
06:16 spkm         hi guys, was wondering if anyone knows where to set the item type in koha. as in long loan or short loan
06:31 vkm          hello i have IBM 3550M3 server is it possible to install koha live cd on that without any further configuration
06:32 Amit_Gupta   heya vkm
06:32 vkm          hello amit
06:34 vkm          is it possible to install on above server as i have installed it on simple pc
06:54 spkm         anyone aware of how to set a resource to be a long loan item or short loan item?
07:01 Joubu        hi
07:01 reiveune     hello
07:01 wahanui      privet, reiveune
07:03 Oak          kia ora #koha
07:05 julian_m     hello
07:12 gaetan_B     hello :)
07:17 magnuse      o/
07:21 Oak          magnuse
07:21 Oak          \o/
07:22 magnuse      Oak...
08:04 mib_bwyndn   where can i activate the editor field in the catalog
08:59 kouider      hi all how are you iam a new her
09:00 kouider      i have some qs for koha
09:01 kouider      any body her
09:02 magnuse      hiya kouider
09:02 kouider      hi magnuse
09:03 magnuse      this is usually not the busiest time on #koha, but try asking your questions and if anyone feels they can answer, you'll get an answer :-)
09:04 kouider      ok thanks maguse what the time to active this chat cus iam from north africa
09:05 magnuse      kouider: there are usually more people around when the americans wake up, so in 3-4 hours or something
09:05 magnuse      there are some people here now too, but it's usually more quiet at this time
09:05 kouider      how i can login IRC chat of koha
09:06 magnuse      um, you are already loged in here, i think?
09:06 kouider      oh thank you brother magnuse
09:07 kouider      i have small q how i know my zebra index is working
09:08 magnuse      kouider: the simple answer: when you get the search results you expect :-)
09:10 magnuse      kouider: you could also run something like "ps aux | grep zebrasrv" on the command line
09:11 kouider      ok on koha Searching preferences i have chose use the Zebra search engine
09:11 magnuse      that's good, koha without zebra is deprecated
09:11 kouider      are its right chose
09:11 kouider      to work zebra
09:12 magnuse      yup, zebra is the right choice
09:12 magnuse      are you having trouble getting search results?
09:13 kouider      some times
09:16 kouider      whene i do this line  update-rc.d koha-zebra-daemon defaults
09:16 kouider      i have insserv: warning: script 'koha-zebraqueue-daemon' missing LSB tags and overrides
09:26 slef         kouider: I thought we fixed that ages ago. What version of koha are you using?
09:27 kouider      i use debian 6.04 koha 3.8.1
09:27 slef         oh wait
09:27 slef         don't use koha-zebraqueue-daemon - I think I am right to say that.
09:28 slef         It's deprecated/awaiting-repair
09:28 slef         Use the crontab instead.
09:28 slef         What told you to use koha-zebraqueue-daemon?
09:29 kouider      any one
09:29 slef         But maybe you can use it without harm, but yes, koha-zebraqueue-daemon is probably missing LSB details.  koha-zebra-daemon should not be.
09:29 raju         Serial claim email notice not sending
09:29 kouider      but i insall koha like install on ubuntu
09:29 slef         raju: are you using the packages?
09:29 raju         no
09:31 kouider      what packages
09:31 wahanui      hmmm... packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
09:31 slef         raju: can the server send any emails?
09:31 raju         some other mails are going except serial claim notice
09:31 kouider      give the commends to knowing are zebra work or not
09:31 slef         kouider: pgrep zebrasrv <-- that will show if the server is running
09:32 raju         koha@opac://usr/share/koha/opac$ pgrep zebrasrv 1033 27449
09:33 kouider      ok idont install Other packages on this wiki
09:33 slef         raju: I think you should check if the serial claim notices are being generated. I can't remember exactly how to do that (probably a cron job and a table in the mysql database) and I do not have free time now.
09:34 raju         yes its showing in log file
09:34 slef         raju: it shows in the cron log entries? Does it show in the mail.log or exim4/mainlog?
09:34 slef         time
09:35 kouider      Is there a line I do in Terminal to find out that Zebra is working or not
09:35 slef         kouider: pgrep zebrasrv <-- that will show if the server is running
09:37 raju         1033 27449
09:37 raju         it shows 1033 27449
09:38 kouider      give me 1613
09:40 kouider      what about 1613 its not work
09:40 raju         its not showing 1613
09:41 kouider      oh allah what i do to work zebra
09:43 kouider      help me
09:46 slef         no
09:46 slef         sorry
09:46 slef         I mean
09:46 slef         If you get any number, it means zebra is running
09:46 slef         I don't mean I won't help you. I just have to work on other things too, to earn money to live.
09:46 slef         So I am not fast here.
09:47 slef         pgrep shows you the process number of that program
09:47 slef         if you now type "ps 1613" kouider, you should see a line that says zebrasrv and some other things
09:47 slef         or one that starts "daemon ..."
09:48 slef         I would expect two numbers, like raju has.
09:49 slef         If there is only one that starts daemon, it probably means zebrasrv is failing. Check log files to find the error.
09:50 raju         ps 1613 : PID TTY      STAT   TIME COMMAND
09:51 kouider      Thanks I hope a God to help you in all your business
09:55 slef         raju: you would need to "ps 1033 27449" from what you said
09:55 slef         more reliably, you can "ps $(pgrep zebrasrv)" and it will figure out the numbers itself
09:56 kouider      yes its same 1613
09:56 kouider      1613 ?        S      0:00 /usr/bin/zebrasrv -v none,fatal,warn -f /etc/koha/koh
09:57 raju         Any solution: enable serial claim mail
09:58 kouider      i insall all modules cpan
10:07 raju         in Koha 3.6 claim mail is not sent for serial claim
10:10 kouider      are there  koha dvd live debian
10:11 Oak          kia ora #koha
10:11 Oak          magnuse, what are you doing right now?
10:58 vkm          hello
10:59 vkm          please let me know i have IBM server 3550M3 can i install koha live CD on it having ubuntu linux
11:03 slef         vkm: try it and see? What could you lose?
11:03 slef         I really should have sent our fix for bug 8155 upstream before now.
11:03 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8155 critical, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Comply with UK Electronic Commerce (EC Directive) Regulations 2002
11:03 slef         Been a bit busy thought
11:04 slef         though
11:05 vkm          ok i will chek alternatively please let me know the better hardware requirment if i will install it on PC so that people can search fast my catalog on network
11:07 vkm          and also we can circulate book faster
11:11 slef         vkm: once you meet ubuntu's hardware requirements, it really depends on your database size and user demands
11:12 slef         wahanui: sysprefs?
11:12 wahanui      sysprefs are "System Preferences", found on my Koha admin homepage
11:12 slef         wahanui: wiki
11:12 wahanui      wiki is http://wiki.koha-community.org
11:14 vkm          i have 15000 reocords and users are 1000 not to much circulation but begin of academic and end of academic lot of transaction 40 books per day average transaction
11:22 slef         Changes submitted for bug 8155
11:22 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8155 critical, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Comply with UK Electronic Commerce (EC Directive) Regulations 2002
11:22 slef         anyone available to review and maybe signoff, please?
12:02 WaqarAzeem   hello! how can i configure the developement environment for koha ... plz guide me any url that have some better discription ...
12:05 magnuse      WaqarAzeem: better than what? :-)
12:08 Amit_Gupta   bug 5795
12:08 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5795 normal, P3, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Missing ReservesControlBranch system pref in database installer
12:08 Amit_Gupta   bug 6810
12:08 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6810 enhancement, P4, ---, amit.gupta, Needs Signoff , Send membership expiry reminder notices
12:09 jcamins_away fredericd++
12:09 jcamins_away paul_p: around?
12:22 Amit_Gupta   heya NateC
12:23 NateC        Morning Amit_Gupta!
12:23 jcamins      paul_p: never mind. I figured out how to apply the translation! :D
12:27 francharb    hi!
12:29 oleonard     Hi everyone
12:37 Amit_Gupta   heya gaetan
13:25 jcamins      Drat. I forgot that I have to enter my GPG fifty gazillion times for the current script. I hope it wasn't waiting too long.
13:25 * jcamins    is currently preparing 3.6.5.
13:26 jcamins      And rewriting his release script in Perl.
13:34 cait         hi #koha
13:34 oleonard     Hi cait
13:34 Oak          kia ora #koha
13:34 cait         hi oleonard :)
13:35 oleonard     What have you been up to cait?
13:35 Oak          oleonard, see my OPAC: http://koha-library.uaar.edu.pk/
13:35 Oak          still working on it though
13:35 oleonard     Looks nice Oak!
13:35 Oak          :)
13:35 Oak          thank you!
13:35 cait         oleonard: bibliothekartag (= library congress?) in hamburg
13:36 cait         hi Oak :) trying to look at your opac, but not sure internet connectoin will permit it
13:36 Oak          finally
13:36 cait         it is nice :)
13:36 Oak          i asked you 3 or 4 times to look at it but you did not :-|
13:36 Oak          it's not finished yet... still working on it :)
13:36 Oak          thank you!
13:36 cait         Oak: I am sorry, have not been around much this week :(
13:37 cait         I especially like your footer
13:37 Oak          hmm. it's okay cait... one time you were on train so that did not count :0
13:37 Oak          uh oh
13:37 Oak          that was a smiley
13:38 Oak          okay me quiet now. you and oleonard were talking... sorry/
13:39 cait         don't be quiet Oak
13:39 Oak          :)
13:39 jcamins      WOOHOO!
13:40 Oak          he must have done something good so
13:40 Oak          jcamins++
13:40 Oak          now tell us
13:40 jcamins      The 3.6.5 build passed without any problems, so the branches just need to be pushed on up, and chris_n has to be shanghai-d into uploading the tarball.
13:40 Oak          coool
13:40 Oak          :)
13:41 chris_n      jcamins: will work for fudge ;-)
13:42 jcamins      :)
13:42 cait         :)
13:42 cait         jcamins++ chris_n++
13:43 chris_n      hi cait
13:44 chris_n      Oak++ # very nice opac
13:44 Oak          chris_n, :) thank you thank you!
13:51 jcamins      cable_internet--
13:52 cait         internet_on_trains-- / internet_on_trains++
13:52 cait         can't decide, happy it's possible but could be more reliable
13:59 drojf        good day #koha
14:03 cait         hi drojf :)
14:03 * jcamins    pokes at TAP::Harness.
14:10 chris_n      jcamins++
14:13 jcamins      Well, it's done.
14:15 jcamins      Wait.
14:15 jcamins      I forgot to create the tag.
14:18 jenkins_koha Starting build #48 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:19 jcamins      Does anyone see the tag?
14:19 cait_train   jcamins++
14:19 jcamins      I don't.
14:20 jcamins      chris_n: help?
14:20 wahanui      it has been said that help is at http://koha-community.org/support/ if no-one here can help.
14:20 chris_n      jcamins: what did you do?
14:20 jcamins      It's in my repository, but pushing the branch to to git.k-c.org doesn't create it.
14:20 chris_n      first question?
14:20 wahanui      "What are you trying to do?"  "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?"
14:20 chris_n      hehe
14:20 chris_n      lemme check perms
14:21 jcamins      git tag -s v3.06.05 && git push kc-rmaint 3.6.x
14:21 chris_n      ahh
14:21 chris_n      git push --tag origin
14:21 chris_n      iirc
14:22 jcamins      Yup, thanks.
14:22 jcamins      chris_n++
14:22 chris_n      the tag goes to the origin rather than to the branch
14:23 chris_n      its a repo thing rather than a branch thing I think
14:23 jcamins      Okay, that makes sense I guess.
14:26 jcamins      wizzyrea: please review my 3.6.5 release post. :)
14:32 * chris_n    almost read "Post Humus Release Maintainer" :-)
14:33 jcamins      chris_n: nope.
14:33 oleonard     "Post-human Release Maintainer?"
14:34 * chris_n    thinks the author name alphabetizer was the nicest part of the release-notes script :-)
14:34 chris_n      oleonard: depends on who you ask ;-)
14:36 wizzyrea     jcamins - meeting then I"m on i
14:36 wizzyrea     it*
14:36 wizzyrea     and then I"ll just give you rights to post straight away
14:36 jcamins      Thanks!
14:36 jcamins      :)
14:57 slef         anyone available to review and maybe signoff bug 8155, please?
14:57 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8155 critical, P5 - low, ---, mjr, Needs Signoff , Comply with UK Electronic Commerce (EC Directive) Regulations 2002
15:02 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.6.x build #48: SUCCESS in 44 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/48/
15:02 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 7272 setting NULL to debarred field, to avoid having 0000-00-00
15:02 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 5543 - Date ISO format wrong separator
15:02 jenkins_koha * robin: Bug 7540 [3.6.x] - add id values to the legends in the patron entry form
15:02 jenkins_koha * srdjan: bug_7231: Call GetMarcPrice() in acqui/neworderempty.pl for staged imports
15:02 jenkins_koha * dev_patches: Bug 7513 Marc Import Hangs
15:02 jenkins_koha * robin: Bug 5373 - allow 'cardnumber' to appear on the patron import field list
15:02 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 7454 Initialize return arrays in ILS/Transaction/RenewAll
15:02 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7272 major, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, paul.poulain, Pushed to Stable , Fix for Bug 6328 causes user accounts to be frozen (SIP2)
15:02 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5543 minor, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Date ISO format wrong separator
15:02 jenkins_koha * stephane.delaune: Bug 7460: followup : Add template toolkit's FILTER html_line_break on staff details description's tab
15:02 jenkins_koha * sophie.meynieux: Bug 3916 [follow-up] : Adding a default choice in every dropdown list, not only branches, to let the corresponding value unchanged
15:02 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7558: Serial issue note doubled up in full history
15:02 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: 7453 Followup for borrower without expiry date
15:02 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7540 minor, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Stable , Add ids to the legend elements to make it easier to tweak with javascript
15:02 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 7579 - Icons for authorized values/item types not showing in OPAC
15:02 jenkins_koha * chrish: Bug 7575 Opac search results print alignment
15:02 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7513 critical, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , MARC Import Hangs
15:02 jenkins_koha * cnighswonger: Bug 7585 - Correct MARC 008 Value Builder Char 06 Default
15:02 jenkins_koha * magnus: Bug 7885 - Change filename of TransferLog suggested by packages to fit with logrotate
15:02 jenkins_koha * dpavlin: Bug 7766 - C4/Auth.pm: emit DEBUG output to STDERR
15:02 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5373 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , fields listed on patron import do not match the csv file
15:02 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Stop unnecessary warnings in get_language
15:02 jenkins_koha * dpavlin: Bug 7886 - C4/ShelfBrowser slow SQL performance
15:02 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7454 major, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , Sip renewal all response returns incorrect info
15:02 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 7886 follow-up DBRev number
15:02 jenkins_koha * f.demians: Koha 3.6.5 Translation Update
15:02 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Release Notes for 3.06.05.000 24 May 2012 12:55:26 Z
15:02 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Update version for 3.6.5
15:02 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7460 minor, P5 - low, ---, stephane.delaune, Pushed to Stable , nl2br in opac Title notes tab
15:02 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3916 critical, P2, ---, sophie.meynieux, Pushed to Stable , Batch Modify tool overwrites dropdown fields - no option for "no change"
15:02 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7558 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , Serial issue note doubled up in full history
15:02 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7579 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Icons for authorized values/item types not showing in OPAC
15:02 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7575 minor, P5 - low, ---, chrish, Pushed to Stable , Printing opac search results truncation in ie7/8
15:02 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7585 minor, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, Pushed to Stable , Correct MARC 008 Value Builder Char 06 Default
15:02 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7885 normal, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Stable , Change filename of TransferLog suggested by packages to fit with logrotate
15:02 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7766 normal, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Stable , C4/Auth.pm emits debug output to STDOUT
15:02 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7886 normal, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Stable , C4/ShelfBrowser slow SQL performance
15:06 oleonard     slef: The cart also requires cookies. Should that be addressed in your patch?
15:06 reiveune     bye
15:06 oleonard     bye reiveune
15:09 * oleonard   thinks he has Bug 8143 completed for the staff client
15:09 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8143 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Upgrade jQuery tabs to current jQueryUI version
15:10 cait_train   yay
15:11 oleonard     It depends on Bug 7747, hopefully a kind QA-er will QA that one :)
15:11 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7747 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Replace YUI autocomplete with jQueryUI
15:11 Joubu        bye o/
15:11 cait_train   bye Joubu :)
15:11 sekjal       did somebody say "QA"?
15:12 * sekjal     enters from stage left
15:12 * libsysguy  grabs shepards hook
15:13 oleonard     slef: The note about cookies on the login page, is that required by law now? Is it a problem that the same note doesn't appear with the login form on the OPAC home page?
15:14 cait_train   :)
15:14 cait_train   hi sekjal and libsysguy
15:14 libsysguy    hi cait_train
15:15 sekjal       hi, cait_train
15:16 * jcamins    tests release-tool.pl
15:17 * libsysguy  tries to burn yui in his proof of concept
15:17 jcamins      If it manages to get through the entire release test successfully, I'll add deploying to the tool's repertoire. :)
15:18 slef         oleonard: Yes. Damn, yes.
15:19 oleonard     EU web users are going to get sick of those notices.
15:19 slef         oleonard: and my understanding is that the cart is exempt because it is strictly necessary when it is set... but do we have carts if the user is not logged in?
15:19 oleonard     slef: Yes, the cart works independently of login
15:20 oleonard     slef: It's not connected to the user's identity. It just stores biblionumbers in the cookie.
15:20 slef         in the session or another cookie?
15:20 slef         I'll go test it
15:20 oleonard     Another cookie.
15:20 cait_train   :)
15:21 slef         EU web users are sick of website operators trying to spy on them. That's why we have the law. But the industry has been in denial since 2000 or 2002 or some such, and not fixed the infringements, so now the UK has given it teeth.
15:21 * oleonard   agrees on the spying issue for sure
15:21 slef         I think I'll need to exempt the other cookie from the deletion.
15:22 slef         Any others I may have missed?
15:22 slef         And why doesn't the cart use the session JOOI?
15:22 oleonard     JOOI?
15:23 slef         JOOI is Just Out Of Interest
15:23 slef         wahanui: JOOI?
15:23 wahanui      JOOI is probably Just Out Of Interest
15:23 slef         wahanui: close enough
15:23 wahanui      slef: huh?
15:23 slef         wahanui: true
15:23 wahanui      slef: sorry...
15:23 slef         wahanui: die!
15:23 wahanui      errrrgh arrrrgh stop it that tickles a bit!
15:24 cait_train   ts slef
15:24 cait_train   wahanui botsnack ampelmännchen
15:24 wahanui      thanks cait_train :)
15:25 oleonard     slef I'm not sure how that would work, the cart using the session.
15:33 slef         oleonard: not saying it would. Just not sure why it wouldn't :)
15:34 chris_n      is 254$b really not part of the "title proper"?
15:35 oleonard     the session cookie contains a string that matches an entry in the database. The cart cookie is just a long string of biblionumbers. If you wanted to have the cart "use the session cookie" I think you'd be talking about storing those biblionumbers in the database instead?
15:35 chris_n      MARC::File::XML includes $a,n,p in that
15:36 jcamins      chris_n: that is correct.
15:36 oleonard     slef: I also see a KohaOpacLanguage cookie in my browser
15:40 jcamins      C is for cookie, that's good enough for me!
15:41 slef         oleonard: yes, storing those numbers in the session database (usually database)
15:41 slef         oleonard: hmmm. Is that only set if you switch language?
15:47 oleonard     slef: The KohaOpacLanguage cookie doesn't seem to be set by default
15:48 sekjal       oleonard:  7747 is pretty large... taking me a bit of time to review....
15:49 oleonard     sekjal: And that's the small version!
15:50 slef         oleonard: cool. So it needs a warning by the language selector, or a popup.
15:50 slef         damn I've got to try to figure out parsing $cookie just before it is sent to the browser :(
15:50 * slef       looks at his next appointment
15:51 jcamins      Bother. My Perl release-tool script blows up just before building the packages, but if I run the command manually, it works fine.
15:55 jcamins      Ha! I think I figured it out.
15:55 jcamins      Now I just have to wait for this package build to finish so I can try again...
15:57 jcamins      liw: around?
15:58 libsysguy    would it be so criminal to introduce Date::Manip in one module
15:59 * oleonard   cuts out early
15:59 oleonard     Have a good weekend everyone
16:24 ASUSunDevil  Is there a pdf of the current version of the 3.8 manual available?
16:24 mbalmer      evening.
16:24 wahanui      i heard evening was better for me - but not too late
16:25 mbalmer      interesting discussion about naming of primary keys on the ml
16:25 wizzyrea     ASUSunDevil: not that I'm aware of
16:25 jcamins      mbalmer: consistency is always a good thing. It will make using DBI::Class that much easier.
16:26 mbalmer      yes. and a little bit no ;)
16:26 mbalmer      but paul is right to bring the subject up, we should settle with one form.
16:26 wizzyrea     what was that thing we were talking about yesterday, something to do with lists...
16:26 wizzyrea     logs?
16:26 wahanui      well, logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/
16:27 wizzyrea     ah right, user entered titles that link to searches
16:28 * wizzyrea   meant to file a bug, didn't. Will now.
16:32 * chris_n    is of mbalmer's opinion that we really ought to use table.column
16:32 chris_n      but would settle for #4
16:32 jcamins      chris_n: don't we do that anyway?
16:32 sekjal       chris_n: agreed, that's how we should reference the columns, for minimal ambiguity
16:32 chris_n      jcamins: what code are you looking at?
16:32 chris_n      :-)
16:32 mbalmer      I wouldn't object #4 either.  but being explicit is never a mistake, imo.
16:33 jcamins      chris_n: just my own.
16:33 chris_n      try being vague with your directory path or xml path or...
16:33 sekjal       but I think the purpose of this discussion is more for naming conventions to ease ongoing maintenance, and lower the learning curve to understanding Koha's data structure
16:33 chris_n      I do think that foo_id is a bit more informative than just 'id'
16:33 * jcamins    yawns. How many times do I have to run the unit tests?
16:34 chris_n      but if you have table.id that probably covers most of what foo_id does as well
16:34 mbalmer      I do think that <table>.<column> leaves almost no questions about what is being referred to.
16:34 * chris_n    hands jcamins a pillow
16:35 mbalmer      <table>_<column> is just a convention, whereas <table>.<column> is a syntactically correct, unambigous reference.
16:35 jcamins      Okay, I'm having a bit of trouble figuring out how one creates a database using DBI.
16:35 chris_n      unit tests should play some relaxing music while they ar running
16:36 mbalmer      but since <food> is on the <table>, I have to bail out for dinner ;)
16:36 chris_n      lol
16:36 chris_n      no problem following that path...
16:36 wizzyrea     bug 8156
16:36 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8156 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, NEW , allow users to put things in lists that are not in the catalog (free text entries to lists)
16:37 * cait       waves
16:37 jcamins      Oh, I see. I don't use connect.
16:38 wizzyrea     jcamins: your post has been published - I hope you were ready?
16:38 jcamins      Yup.
16:39 jcamins      Thanks!
16:40 wizzyrea     sure, getting your perms in order now
16:41 wizzyrea     golly there's a lot of stuff in 3.6.5. jcamins++
16:41 wizzyrea     community++
16:42 jcamins      There sure is.
16:44 wizzyrea     chris_n++ for starting those lovely release tools.
16:44 wizzyrea     love how those notes come out
16:44 wizzyrea     so easy to grasp what's changed.
16:49 * chris_n    bites the head off of a rhinoceros
16:49 chris_n      gotta love animal cookies
17:13 * jcamins    runs it again.
17:13 jcamins      We're getting there, though. It waits until running the webinstaller to die.
17:17 libsysguy    thoughts on date::manip on calendar manipulation pages?
17:18 * jcamins    doesn't know anything about it, but has no objections.
17:18 libsysguy    heh its just big
17:18 libsysguy    so everybody hates on it
17:18 libsysguy    but it is really robust
17:41 slef         Does anyone here have a high-resolution copy of 10 years in 10 minutes? I'd like a "screenshot" of a well-developed Koha structure
17:44 wizzyrea     I think the youtube version is pretty high res
17:44 wizzyrea     it goes up to 720p
17:47 slef         trying to print it... I've been told the youtube is marked as CC-BY-NC-SA... if it is, then I can't use it (we're commercial) but isn't it a derived work of the Koha code so should be GPLv2?
17:49 wizzyrea     hm wonder why NC
17:49 wizzyrea     anyway.
17:50 wizzyrea     I bet you could get *permission* to use it though
17:50 wizzyrea     just ask rangi
17:54 wizzyrea     8:43 is pretty awesome in that
18:04 slef         @later tell rangi can we have permission to print 10 years in 10 mins on our banner for kohacon12 please? And why is it labelled CC-NC not GPLv2? (derived from Koha)
18:04 huginn`      slef: The operation succeeded.
18:13 pastebot     "jcamins" at 24.193.130.86 pasted "perldoc release-tool.pl" (79 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/412
18:14 jcamins      ^^ if anyone is wondering what I'm doing
18:14 Oak          :)
18:15 datadoctor   jcamins: very interesting
18:15 Oak          me go sleep now.
18:15 Oak          night.
18:15 Oak          jcamins++
18:15 jcamins      datadoctor: now I just have to make it work...
18:16 datadoctor   bon nuit!
18:16 datadoctor   What is the main advantage of using the tool - saving time on manual commands?
18:16 jcamins      datadoctor: basically.
18:17 jcamins      datadoctor: every time I make a change on 3.6.x, I run forty-five minutes worth of tasks.
18:17 jcamins      With the script, it can be automated.
18:17 jcamins      I'm also working on getting it to manage packages, as well.
18:20 jcamins      datadoctor: I already have a bash script that does this stuff, but it was getting unwieldy.
18:20 libsysguy    sorry to butt in but I have a quick question, i deleted a folder…what is the git command to get it back
18:20 libsysguy    i thought it was reset
18:20 libsysguy    but i was wrong-ish
18:20 jcamins      git checkout  folder
18:20 libsysguy    doh
18:20 libsysguy    thanks jcamins
18:22 datadoctor   Our main issue with installation was PERL updates.
18:23 datadoctor   They had dependencies that required us to rerun the installation scripts over and over again.
18:23 liw          jcamins, I'm here now
18:24 datadoctor   Because some modules depended on other modules that installed later in the script.\
18:25 jcamins      liw: it turned out the problem was that Perl doesn't auto-chomp `shell commands`.
18:25 jcamins      I was using DEBEMAIL correctly.
18:25 jcamins      :)
18:25 jcamins      datadoctor: that's why I use the packages.
18:25 * liw        knows no perl :)
18:25 jcamins      liw: that's okay, I wanted to ask you what went into DEBEMAIL to make dch not throw a fit and die.
18:26 jcamins      "Just an e-mail address" is the answer. ;)
18:26 liw          jcamins, :)
18:27 * liw        is not of much help while he's touring the Italian countryside looking at medieval city centres and earthquake damage
18:27 jcamins      Yeah, but you're having a lot more fun, I bet!
18:28 liw          possibly :)
18:34 datadoctor   jacamins I like the idea of installing from the packages. I am used to doing it from git. If there are many git branches active is it hard to generate the packages?
18:34 jcamins      datadoctor: what do you mean? You can only have one branch checked out at a time.
18:35 datadoctor   jcamins: Well, I guess that makes sense - you would not be merging branches, just generating from what you have checked out.
18:36 jcamins      datadoctor: you merge whichever branches you want to have in your package, then you create the package.
18:38 datadoctor   jcamins: I used CPAN to pull my PERL updates on the last install. Does a package install take care of the PERL?
18:39 jcamins      Yes.
18:39 datadoctor   jcamins: Thanks! I'm still learning about the development process...
18:40 * jcamins    discovers that chdir is not scope-sensitive in any way.
18:42 chris_n      jcamins: did you write the perdoc first? ;-)
18:42 jcamins      chris_n: yes.
18:42 jcamins      chris_n: well, I did most of the coding first.
18:42 jcamins      But I wrote the POD while waiting for the task to run.
18:43 datadoctor   ;)
18:43 jcamins      Since it takes *ages*, that gave me plenty of time for POD writing.
18:52 * chris_n    takes the nestea plunge
18:52 chris_n      and upgrades his production box from post 3.2.x master to 3.8.x
18:53 jcamins      Whoah!
18:53 chris_n      all the librarians are on vacation... ehehehe
18:53 chris_n      yup, thanks to many rehearsals, the db upgraded with only two non-important errors
18:53 jcamins      Yay!
18:54 chris_n      I'll do my best to keep up this time :-)
19:44 wizzyrea     omgosh chris_n, congratulations
19:44 wizzyrea     I know that's been a huge project for ya
19:44 * chris_n    passes out cookies
19:45 wizzyrea     must feel awesome to have it done
19:45 chris_n      hmmm... is that legal in the UK?
19:45 wizzyrea     biscuits
19:45 wahanui      biscuits are almost done.
19:45 wizzyrea     or something
19:45 * wizzyrea   likes the NZ "slice"
19:45 chris_n      ok, if you're in the UK: you'll have to opt-in before touching the cookies ;-)
19:45 wizzyrea     oh boy.
19:46 * chris_n    looks toward slef
19:48 * wizzyrea   casually wonders why a gmail tab takes 64MB of memory
19:48 jcamins      wizzyrea: do you *really* want to ask yourself that question?
19:48 * wizzyrea   sobs
19:48 wizzyrea     no
19:50 wizzyrea     ohhh it's a chrome for mac bug - it's not really using that much
19:50 wizzyrea     http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=25454
19:50 * wizzyrea   took a quick detour through the innards of chrome
19:50 wizzyrea     that was interesting
19:51 jcamins      Heh.
19:51 jcamins      Woohoo!
19:51 jcamins      The package building now appears to work!
19:52 chris_n      woot!
19:53 chris_n      while the librarians are away it will play
19:53 chris_n      its the wrath of the catalogers I worry about
19:54 jcamins      Heh.
19:54 * jcamins    is a cataloger. FEAR ME!
19:57 * chris_n    whips out the dark-chocolate fudge and places it before jcamins
19:57 jcamins      :)
19:58 * jcamins    is mollified.
20:03 datadoctor   Glad to hear you got your packages!
20:04 jcamins      datadoctor: well, we haven't quite reached deploying them to an apt repo yet, but it's a start.
20:05 datadoctor   Must wait to unwrap the packages...:(
20:06 datadoctor   Oh well, we are upgrading our server hardware before we can even begin to think about upgrading to 3.8.x
20:06 datadoctor   That will happen later this Summer.
20:07 datadoctor   ...and that's when all the custom code requests start pouring in...
20:08 datadoctor   This time around I hope to feed some of our improvements back to the community.
20:08 jcamins      datadoctor: yeah, that's what I was just about to say.
20:08 datadoctor   !!!
20:08 jcamins      (that you should try to get your changes into Koha proper)
20:10 datadoctor   I'm still trying to wrap my mind around installing from packages, but committing changes to a git branch.
20:11 libsysguy    you can do that?
20:11 datadoctor   Not me!
20:12 libsysguy    heh i thought I was about to have my mind blown
20:12 datadoctor   We currently work from a 3.5 branch that we checked out last year.
20:12 libsysguy    whoa…well i guess it could be worse
20:12 libsysguy    i thought i saw earlier where chris_n upgraded from a 3.2 branch
20:12 datadoctor   We will be going from 3.5 to 3.8.
20:13 libsysguy    but you need new hardware
20:13 chris_n      libsysguy: indeed I did :-)
20:13 libsysguy    or you're just getting some
20:13 libsysguy    chris_n++
20:13 jcamins      datadoctor: packages are easy.
20:13 datadoctor   We've got a new server coming our way.
20:13 * libsysguy  loves new hardware
20:13 jcamins      Basically once you have a git branch that looks exactly like what you want, you run debian/build-git-snapshot, and wait.
20:13 datadoctor   Ok...
20:14 datadoctor   So that would generate the git branch from my installation?
20:14 datadoctor   I'm confused...
20:14 chris_n      jcamins: we should add that as a clickable link to gitweb
20:14 chris_n      like the "snapshot" link
20:14 chris_n      that would be very nice
20:15 libsysguy    ^^
20:15 jcamins      chris_n: that would be *so cool*.
20:15 libsysguy    like a master install button
20:15 chris_n      instant deb++
20:15 jcamins      Sadly building the packages does take a bit.
20:15 datadoctor   [consults ProGit manual] ...thinking...
20:15 libsysguy    what if there is an error
20:16 libsysguy    does jenkins just go back to the latest success
20:16 datadoctor   http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Building_Debian_Packages_-_The_Easy_Way
20:16 jcamins      libsysguy: if there's an error then someone failed to test their branch prior to pushing.
20:16 libsysguy    heh
20:17 jcamins      datadoctor: see, very easy.
20:17 datadoctor   Luckily I have a three-day weekend to read up on this!
20:18 jcamins      git?
20:18 wahanui      well, git is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git
20:18 jcamins      ^^ at the end of the page is a reading list by yours truly.
20:18 datadoctor   In between the year's first dip in the lake, and a family picnic.
20:18 jcamins      :)
20:19 datadoctor   My mind has been expanded.
20:19 * jcamins    grumbles angrily about relative paths.
20:20 jcamins      I've been carefully doing chdir('.') prior to trying to delete the temporary directory.
20:20 jcamins      And my otherwise warning-free script has been complaining.
20:20 datadoctor   Where are your relative paths leading you?
20:21 jcamins      datadoctor: I maintain that when I ask for the current directory, "." is not helpful.
20:22 datadoctor   Is it a bash configuration issue? Or just a fact of Linux?
20:22 jcamins      datadoctor: it's Perl being weird.
20:22 datadoctor   I see.
20:23 jcamins      Since '.' means "the current directory," it didn't occur to me that Perl would consider that a useful response to my calling curdir() to get the current directory.
20:23 datadoctor   :)
20:23 datadoctor   .
20:26 cait-m       hi all
20:26 chris_n      hi cait-m
20:26 jcamins      Hi cait-m!
20:26 cait-m       :-)
20:26 chris_n      chasing internet connectivity today? :-)
20:27 cait-m       travelling :-)
20:27 cait-m       but on bus home now
20:28 mbalmer      back from dinner...
20:31 drojf        hi cait-m, not home yet? long journey…
20:32 cait-m       around 8 hours
20:32 drojf        uh
20:32 cait-m       but not far from home now
20:32 drojf        :)
20:39 datadoctor   Would getcwd(); work?
20:39 datadoctor   Or is that just for the current working directory?
20:39 sekjal       happy weekend, #koha (and happy long weekend to those of you getting one)!
20:40 jcamins      datadoctor: yeah, that worked, but it took me a bit to find it.
20:43 * jcamins    reads about GND.
21:05 jcamins      o/
21:05 cait         gnd?
21:05 jcamins      Yes.
21:06 jcamins      In particular, the 079 field.
21:06 jcamins      I can't figure out what exactly is in it. Is it like authority type?
21:06 cait         hm
21:06 cait         Iam sure I can find out
21:06 cait         but might take a moment :)
21:06 cait         have you a link or something?
21:07 jcamins      http://www.dnb.de/DE/Standardisierung/Normdaten/GND/gnd_node.html;
21:07 jcamins      It's hard because I can't read German.
21:08 jcamins      chris_n and I were discussing how we really need some sort of indication in the MARC record what type of authority we're dealing with.
21:09 jcamins      I thought that GND might have something like that.
21:09 cait         ah
21:09 cait         quite sure it's in there
21:09 cait         in the marc bibliographic or in the marc authority record?
21:09 jcamins      Authority.
21:10 jcamins      We were talking about maybe using LDR/18, since that's not in use.
21:10 cait         hm
21:10 cait         isn't the used 1xx field an indicator?
21:11 cait         I think that's how the import scripts work?
21:11 jcamins      Yes, but it's not a very good indicator. :(
21:11 jcamins      Among other issues, name/title authorities can't be identified.
21:12 datadoctor   I'm having an end-of-day issue.
21:13 jcamins      Wondering why we're still working?
21:13 jcamins      Good question!
21:13 jcamins      :)
21:13 datadoctor   :) Must go home now. See y'all next week.
21:13 datadoctor   Best of luck with all your projects - and picnics!
21:14 cait         jcamins: I think you were right
21:14 cait         079 $b is used
21:14 jcamins      :)
21:15 jcamins      I thought that might be the case.
21:15 jcamins      I figured if GND already has a field, we might as well use it.
21:17 jcamins      And I figured GND would already have a field because the DNB is sensible like that.
21:17 jcamins      :)
21:18 cait         :)
21:18 rangi        slef: andrew from my work made that, and i think it might be nc because of the song, however i will check on monday
21:19 rangi        slef: in the meantime if have some movies of the 3.4 and 3.6 releases you can use
21:19 rangi        lemme get the url
21:21 cait         morning rangi :)
21:21 rangi        slef: https://gitorious.org/chrisc_presentations/chrisc_presentations/trees/master/vala_2012_aleksa/ui/default/videos
21:23 rangi        @later tell slef andrewc from my work made that, and i think the song was nc hence the video is, but i will check on monday, however in here https://gitorious.org/chrisc_presentations/chrisc_presentations/trees/master/vala_2012_aleksa/ui/default/videos there are videos of 3.4 and 3.6 you can use in the meantime
21:23 huginn`      rangi: The operation succeeded.
21:25 rangi        jcamins++
21:25 rangi        now ill have to run more stats
21:25 jcamins      ... and deploy failed.
21:25 rangi        oh you cant put it on download?
21:26 jcamins      chris_n uploaded it.
21:26 rangi        cool
21:26 * jcamins    is trying to automate deploying his packages to his apt repo.
21:26 rangi        must be permissions
21:26 rangi        ill fix that
21:26 rangi        hmm i need to come up with a new whakatauki (proverb) for the release notes too
21:27 jcamins      Okay, it doesn't like 3.6-testing.
21:28 rangi        ok swimming lessons
21:28 rangi        bbl
21:29 jcamins      Why doesn't it like 3.6-testing? It was fine with squeeze-dev and 3.6.x.
21:30 jcamins      Oh. It was stale packages.
22:04 libsysguy    man dbix has sure changed since i used it a few years ago
23:26 eythian      hi
23:26 jcamins      Shouldn't you be off doing something fun?
23:26 jcamins      I think I got my apt repo working finally. :)
23:27 eythian      jcamins: So far I've biked across town, done 2 hours of seishinkan training, biked half way back, now I'm going to work on my presentation for a bit once I've cooled down :)
23:27 eythian      awesome
23:28 jcamins      @later tell chris_n My new release-tool.pl script has been pushed to github.
23:28 huginn`      jcamins: The operation succeeded.
23:28 jcamins      It only took an entire day!
23:28 eythian      heh
23:35 eythian      I fear my arms are going to be killing me later today, 2 solid hours of sword work when I haven't really done it in a few weeks is pretty hard on them.
23:36 jcamins      Heh.