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23:57 papa no worries
23:57 jcamins Thanks.
23:57 jcamins Makes sense.
23:57 jcamins Okay.
23:57 papa it is not that uncommon, you keep one, and then go and modify other
23:56 rangi yup
23:56 jcamins Will the two variables have the same value?
23:56 papa because they want it in both places?
23:56 rangi the right hand side is a simple join, but not sure why assigned twice
23:55 wahanui any ideas are welcome :)
23:55 rangi papa: any ideas?
23:55 rangi not sure why the double assignment
23:54 jcamins rangi: what does _this_ do: $array_argstr = $scalar_argstr = join chr(28), @args;
23:54 jcamins No, wrong linnk.
23:54 jcamins rangi: What does this do? http://domm.plix.at/perl/2012_05_10_dont_use_cache_memcached_for_utf8_strings.html
23:52 * jcamins ponders the normalizer.
23:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7213 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Needs Signoff , Document /svc/ HTTP API and provide example command-line client
23:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Pushed to Stable , Hourly Loans
23:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7178 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Improve order item creation
23:32 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 7213 : Follow up fixing license information
23:32 jenkins_koha * dpavlin: Bug 7213 - simple /svc/ HTTP example
23:32 jenkins_koha * koha.sekjal: Bug 5549 followup: fix suspension in days further
23:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7998 critical, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, Pushed to Stable , 3.8 UI cleanup, tweaks to new styles
23:32 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: Bug 7178: Follwup - Remove warning on uninitialized value in sprintf for neworderempty
23:32 jenkins_koha * julian.maurice: Bug 7178: Follow-up Improve order item creation
23:32 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 7998: Don't make the news all bold
23:32 jenkins_koha * wizzyrea: Bug 7998 - CSS fixes for new interface
23:32 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #14: SUCCESS in 53 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/14/
23:27 jcamins I hope CHI uses Cache::Memcached::Fast.
23:17 jcamins rangi: I guess we'll be using Cache::Memcached::Fast then.
23:16 rangi jcamins: http://domm.plix.at/perl/2012_05_10_dont_use_cache_memcached_for_utf8_strings.html
22:54 * jcamins ponders whether there is any excuse for Koha::Cache::Memoize calling Memoize::memoize, and finds that there is not.
22:52 rangi not me
22:50 JoeLib001 Hello. :-) Has anyone dealt with Koha Serials much?
22:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5345 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , DataTables in Koha
22:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7982 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Typo in moremember-receipt.tt
22:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8022 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , Permissions test doesn't check all languages
22:38 jenkins_koha Starting build #14 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
22:38 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 5345: DataTables integration in acquisition module [6]
22:38 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 5345: DataTables integration in acquisition module [10]
22:38 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 5345: DataTables integration in acquisition module [13]
22:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8045 normal, P2, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Stable , Problems on Due date when checking in
22:38 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 5345: DataTables integration in acquisition module [15]
22:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7984 major, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Stable , Fix the upload_local_cover_images permission
22:38 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 5345: DataTables integration in acquisition module [9]
22:38 jenkins_koha * srdjan: bug_7647: Table sorter on issue history
22:38 jenkins_koha * magnus: Bug 7982: [SIGNED-OFF] Typo in moremember-receipt.tt
22:38 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: bug 8022 follow-up, missing permission in spanish
22:38 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8022: Permissions test doesn't check all languages
22:38 jenkins_koha * adrien.saurat: Bug 8045: fixes "date due" when checking in
22:38 jenkins_koha * magnus: Bug 7984 [SIGNED-OFF] - Fix the upload_local_cover_images permission
22:38 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #13: SUCCESS in 54 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/13/
22:23 * jcamins wishes he hadn't.
22:19 * jcamins learns about memoize and caching in Koha.
21:43 jenkins_koha Starting build #13 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
21:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7924 critical, P1 - high, ---, magnus, Pushed to Stable , Fix handling of command line arguments in koha-remove
21:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8035 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Stable , bibs with comments show an error in opac
21:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8072 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , reports wizard dies
21:43 jenkins_koha * magnus: Bug 7924 - Fix handling of command line arguments in koha-remove
21:43 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 8035 - bibs with comments show an error in opac
21:43 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 8072: [SIGNED-OFF] Changes in capitalisation had broken guided reports
21:43 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #12: SUCCESS in 54 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/12/
21:21 rangi cya sekjal
21:20 sekjal time to catch my bus. have a good evening, #koha
20:49 jenkins_koha Starting build #12 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
20:48 cait slef: ok, gonna let you go now :)
20:47 cait later
20:47 cait we could put it on the website - and add the missing geosci
20:47 mbalmer gn8...
20:47 cait I think if we fixed the one issue on day 2
20:46 cait slef: just a gentle reminder - we really need to get it done
20:46 slef cait: nah jst overload
20:45 cait slef: growling at me? :)
20:45 mbalmer slef, I wrote my own sip client, and am testing against koha and Sunrise. Koha sipserver needs some extensions, though.
20:43 slef cait: arrrrgh
20:43 cait night magnus_away :)
20:43 magnus_afk g'night #koha
20:43 cait slef: speaking of kohacon... :)
20:43 slef I want to work on sipserver too but i don't have one handy like the rfid!
20:42 slef yeah
20:42 slef in case we don't overlap
20:42 mbalmer i want to work mostly on sipserver, but why not dedicate some time to rfid as well?
20:42 slef I'll post to http://git.software.coop/
20:41 slef oh yeah I could bring the TRF and another device
20:41 mbalmer but hey, edinburgh is soon...
20:41 slef about to pop out but I'll post the current client code and the TRF7960 drivers
20:41 mbalmer so the same protocol can be used for different transponders.
20:41 mbalmer we are thinking of a little and simple protocol, where koha talks to a rfid daemon, and that daemon talks to the transponder.
20:40 mbalmer sure. its not the same as printers, where you want to spool.
20:39 slef as you can't spool rfid transactions
20:39 slef oh yeah you need to avoid that
20:39 mbalmer slef, yep.
20:39 mbalmer I have done it specifically for printers. many clients can connect concurrently.
20:38 slef koha needs the driver for the rfid transponder though
20:38 slef and relays to/from the serial port
20:37 slef I've a client daemon that listens for ssl connection on port 8443 or something
20:37 slef yeah done it
20:36 mbalmer the basic promise is, if you connect a serial printer to your linux acting as a client, that serial printer is reachable on tcp port 9100. the koha server can thus connect and print to it. using cups or anything different.
20:34 mbalmer need not be.
20:34 mbalmer that depends.
20:33 cait and the print is lost?
20:33 mbalmer no paper no print.
20:32 cait what happens when the printer runs out of paper?
20:31 mbalmer printer.
20:31 mbalmer dunno. that way you can talk directly to the
20:30 rangi you could do that with cups too couldnt you?
20:30 mbalmer i.e. we can make serial printers network visible.
20:30 mbalmer we talk to printers over port 9100. we have a daemon that listens on port 9100 and talks to locally connected printers over serial or usb.
20:28 mbalmer I d like to take any pc, put linux on it, use it as a koha client, attach an rfid reader to it, and us that. no smart pad. just a cheap reader. there has to be a way to do that...
20:28 rangi koha always used to talk to receipt printers via lpd/cups then someone broke that, but patches are there to put that back as an option now
20:27 mbalmer same way btw, like we talk to receipt printers from koha.
20:26 rangi talk to slef, he's done that before
20:26 mbalmer and how to make koha talk to the rfid transponder.
20:26 * jcamins calls it a day.
20:25 rangi certainly all the self check machines can do it (obviously or they wouldnt be much use)
20:25 mbalmer we were thinking about how to hook a simple rfid transponder to a linux client. without any extra intellligence.
20:25 rangi you'd probably have to build your own these days
20:25 rangi yep, i think its quite hard to get a vendor to sell you one that cant do that
20:24 mbalmer interesting.
20:24 mbalmer ok, so these are smart pads.
20:24 rangi the old way
20:24 rangi and demagnetising
20:24 rangi exactly same as self check
20:24 rangi all it needs to know from sip2 is if the transaction was completed, if so, security bit is toggled off
20:23 mbalmer ah. not the koha sofware? how simple...
20:23 rangi the pad toggles the security bit
20:22 mbalmer how do you write to them from the koha backend processes?
20:21 rangi its a lot easier to write to the tags now the major players are all supporting the ISO dataset
20:20 mbalmer yes.
20:20 cait you asked, you got opinions :)
20:20 rangi its gonna be different in every single library setup, and with every different gate vendor
20:20 mbalmer we want to test that.
20:20 mbalmer the reading?
20:19 rangi its the other factors, how fast the gates can talk to the db
20:19 cait well... with the software
20:19 rangi its not the db lookup
20:19 mbalmer rangi, really? a db lookup should take some ms only?
20:19 cait and the rfid pad takes care of the afi bit
20:19 cait write on it
20:19 rangi they use the audible alarm to trigger the ctv to take a still, because it can do that faster than talking to it
20:19 cait most libraries use the software from the vendor to do that
20:19 mbalmer cait, it has to be done from the koha software somehow.
20:18 rangi its too slow to even talk to a camera
20:18 rangi the vendors have tried this already
20:18 cait what's bad about writing to them?
20:18 mbalmer so it's an experiment...
20:17 mbalmer if we can avoid writing to the labels, things would get a tad bit easier. but then we don't know if it will work in practice.
20:17 mbalmer we can already read 16 rfid tags at the same time.
20:16 mbalmer we discussed a test setup to see if it is doable.
20:16 jcamins cait: but is it as fun to trick RFID gates as it is to trick tattletape gates?
20:16 mbalmer we want to measure that.
20:16 cait and it's easy to trick the gates anyway
20:15 cait it will be too slow
20:15 cait with bags full of labels
20:15 rangi latency of network
20:15 cait if you have 3 people wlaking through at the same times
20:15 mbalmer if doner properly, it is not slow.
20:15 rangi no, depends on lots of things
20:15 cait no not really
20:15 mbalmer rangi, depends on the db.
20:15 mbalmer so the rfid labels could be read-only.
20:15 rangi that would be slow
20:15 mbalmer we think the gate could do as well as db lookup for the items.
20:14 cait so you can get statistics
20:14 cait most vendors sell some special software for the gates
20:14 * rangi sat through a presentation by a .ch RFID company last week
20:14 mbalmer we think that could be done better (or, we want to check that)
20:14 cait afi bit
20:14 cait and it's not only in ch
20:14 cait yes
20:14 mbalmer the alarm gate only checks the security bit.
20:14 cait only has to check that
20:13 cait either the bit is there or not
20:13 cait but it does not have to talk at the gates
20:13 cait yes
20:13 mbalmer at least in .ch, the lms sets a security bit in the rfid label, so the lms has to talk to the rfid label.
20:13 cait no connection needed
20:13 rangi use SIP2
20:13 cait they do it on their own
20:13 rangi all the major players, 3M, bibliotheca, etc
20:13 cait no
20:13 cait mostly
20:13 cait or
20:13 cait mbalmer: sip2
20:12 mbalmer ok.
20:12 rangi back
20:12 jcamins I'd search in the logs.
20:12 jcamins mbalmer: I think there was a conversation about RFID on #koha a few months ago.
20:12 mbalmer and how to arm the alarm gates.
20:11 cait using sip2 and a keyboard buffer (?) software at the circ desk
20:11 mbalmer we had a long technical discussion last week. about how to connect the rfid pads and such.
20:11 cait mbalmer: we have 2 libraries working with rfid and self checks
20:10 jcamins You use a SIP-enabled RFID pad, and that's all there is to it.
20:10 jcamins There's no special support required within Koha for RFID, as I understand it.
20:09 cait hi kathryn :)
20:09 cait oh
20:08 mbalmer who is working on RFID support, if anyone is?
20:08 kathryn hi cait!
20:08 kathryn nope he's not here yet
20:08 cait and did it?
20:07 kathryn (don't mind me, just seeing if the thing I used to do when I was a kid would work - trying to guess the exact moment when something would happen)
20:07 jcamins Seems like there should be a better way.
20:06 kathryn 3, 2, 1, hi rangi
20:06 maximep hmmmm found one that specify a css class. I could do it that way
20:04 jcamins Maybe that one already does it.
20:04 jcamins maximep: I'm not sure, but check the default auth 008 syspref.
20:03 rangi My stop bbiab
20:03 maximep can you set a size to the input field of a new pref in .pref file ? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/System_Preferences doesn't tell me much about the yaml format
20:01 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 17.0°C (4:00 PM EDT on May 14, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Falling).
20:01 oleonard @wunder 45701
19:57 * sekjal should have brought a sweater today
19:54 rangi Nice
19:54 kathryn super smooth, sat outside!
19:54 rangi Better ferry today?
19:53 kathryn morning :)
19:52 jcamins Yup.
19:51 rangi Didn't talljoy used to work for amigos?
19:41 cait morning
19:35 rangi Morning
19:32 jcamins nengard: ah, I thought I had remembered you doing that.
19:31 nengard http://bywatersolutions.com/2011/07/13/batch-delete-withdrawn-items-in-koha-3-4/
19:31 nengard :)
19:31 nengard i did that one
19:31 jcamins nengard: if so, you could do a video about batch deleting items.
19:30 jcamins nengard: are you still looking for topics to do videos about?
19:25 YoungPublicLibrarian Well, I'm off to lunch. Have a good day everyone!
19:24 * druthb throws up her hands, and says, "oi! catalogers!"
19:23 jcamins druthb: I'm not saying it's impossible to have accented capital letters. I'm just observing that one generally doesn't.
19:20 * druthb falls over giggling
19:20 oleonard Õ, jcamins?
19:19 druthb Éh, jcamins?
19:19 libsysguy poor /me
19:19 libsysguy haha
19:18 jcamins Well, sometimes.
19:18 jcamins You know what's a nuisance? The way that accents aren't used on capital letters.
19:18 druthb you can't win.
19:18 * druthb makes a long arm, and pokes libsysguy, too
19:18 libsysguy poor wahanui
19:17 * druthb misses libsysguy, and pokes wahanui instead
19:17 * libsysguy runs from druthb
19:17 * libsysguy eek
19:17 * druthb wields poking stick
19:16 wahanui druthb is probably ready to be home.
19:16 libsysguy and druthb...
19:16 druthb i've had occasion to look into it recently with the right-to-left stuff, m'self.
19:16 * cait is not as disturbed by that as she should be
19:15 cait hm
19:15 jcamins cait: we are opening tags in one file, and closing them in another file.
19:15 libsysguy yeah I am wondering if that could be accomplished with a central wrapper then insert what you need in the middle
19:15 jcamins I'd say "... for the uninitiated," but every time I think about them, I get disturbed, too.
19:15 cait disturbing?
19:14 jcamins libsysguy: yeah, doc-head-open, doc-head-close, etc. are a bit disturbing.
19:06 libsysguy i guess I should have just looked at the tt files to see what they were including in tt code
19:06 libsysguy ahh ok
19:06 oleonard Wait, footer? intranet-bottom?
19:05 libsysguy oleonard++
19:05 libsysguy ahh ok
19:05 oleonard doc-head-open, doc-head-close, footer
19:05 libsysguy oh man there are so many inc
19:05 cait I would start looking at some existing templates :)
19:05 cait libsysguy: incluses
19:04 libsysguy like from <html ...> to <body> -> </body></html>
19:04 jcamins libsysguy: what do you mean?
19:03 libsysguy if so...where is it lol
19:03 libsysguy is there a wrapper template for koha?
18:56 cait :)
18:55 cait I can't really say I understand it totally, but I know we need a fix for the broken reports
18:55 sekjal it's a little complex, but I *think* it's safe enough to implement
18:55 sekjal cait: I've got 7248 open
18:54 jcamins (it's a little confusing)
18:54 jcamins (now that 7249 has been pushed)
18:53 jcamins sekjal: to clarify, 7249 depends on 7248, and without 7248, creating new reports is broken.
18:52 jcamins [off] Could happen. ;)
18:52 druthb [off] afraid she'll read the logs, jcamins?
18:52 cait sekjal: it belongs to 7249 and both have waited a long time to get finally in
18:52 cait lol
18:51 jcamins [off] nor on Shari.
18:51 druthb me either
18:51 cait that never works on me
18:51 jcamins lol
18:51 cait wow
18:51 Oak hokay.
18:51 Oak *sigh*
18:50 cait Oak: go to bed!
18:49 cait sekjal: 7248.... is waiting for qa and I hoped you could put it in the upper region of your to do list
18:49 Oak :)
18:49 Oak 23:49 for me
18:49 cait :)
18:48 Oak oh good cait is back.
18:48 huginn bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 22.6°C (11:48 AM PDT on May 14, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016 hPa (Falling).
18:48 bag @wunder 93109
18:48 sekjal what's up?
18:48 sekjal cait: more or less, yes
18:47 YoungPublicLibrarian 11:45 AM for me :)
18:46 cait sekjal: around? :)
18:45 cait 8:45 pm for me
18:45 * druthb is debating early-to-bed, for the first time in a couple of weeks
18:45 jcamins 14:45 for me.
18:45 druthb 10 PM for me...
18:43 YoungPublicLibrarian :)
18:43 cait YoungPublicLibrarian: not fair :)
18:42 YoungPublicLibrarian Hello Druthb!
18:42 druthb hi, YoungPublicLibrarian! :)
18:42 YoungPublicLibrarian LOL, well Cait, its morning here! :p
18:41 cait hi YoungPublicLibrarian - and evening :)
18:41 YoungPublicLibrarian Good morning everyone!
18:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8019 normal, P2, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , Preserve language choice between Browser sessions
18:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7968 normal, P5 - low, ---, sofiane.elharsal, Pushed to Master , create meta-packages to simplify installation of koha
18:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7213 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , Document /svc/ HTTP API and provide example command-line client
18:06 jenkins_koha * veron: Bug 8019 - Preserve language choice between Browser sessions
18:06 jenkins_koha * root: Bug 7968 : Create meta-packages to simplify installation of koha
18:06 jenkins_koha * dpavlin: Bug 7213 - simple /svc/ HTTP example
18:06 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #728: SUCCESS in 52 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/728/
18:06 libsysguy i don't see any js errors
18:06 libsysguy it works if i click the save to list button and i get the dialog but the internal form seems to fail for me
18:05 jcamins libsysguy: I haven't tried.
18:04 Oak وعليكم السلام druthb :)
18:04 libsysguy is anybody else seeing a problem with saving list from the search results?
18:02 druthb :)
18:02 druthb السلام عليكم, Oak.
18:01 Oak kia ora #koha
17:43 druthb o/
17:20 jcamins Yippee!
17:13 jenkins_koha Starting build #728 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
17:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , Hourly Loans
17:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8022 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Permissions test doesn't check all languages
17:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7178 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Improve order item creation
17:13 jenkins_koha * koha.sekjal: Bug 5549 followup: fix suspension in days further
17:13 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: bug 8022 follow-up, missing permission in spanish
17:13 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: Followup 7178: Remove warning on uninitialized value in sprintf for neworderempty
17:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7998 critical, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, Pushed to Master , 3.8 UI cleanup, tweaks to new styles
17:13 jenkins_koha * julian.maurice: Bug 7178: Follow-up Improve order item creation
17:13 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 7998: Don't make the news all bold
17:13 jenkins_koha * wizzyrea: Bug 7998 - CSS fixes for new interface
17:13 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #727: FIXED in 52 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/727/
17:13 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
16:55 jcamins Goodness. A lot of connection problems today.
16:44 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8019 - Preserve language choice between Browser sessions <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fbc309bdde3138fb218f40597d2a98e8773b2226> / Bug 7968 : Create meta-packages to simplify installation of koha <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=10cb983ac0c5c9842770c4e294229db2df569844> / Bug 7213 - simple /svc/ HTTP example <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.
16:24 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5549 followup: fix suspension in days further <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f61a9617184ec4b24100c1d99150bfd4ebf13336> / Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_8022' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8e18b25d9eec35b6fbb59bdcafd51d801e106ba1> / bug 8022 follow-up, missing permission in spanish <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commit
16:20 jenkins_koha Starting build #727 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #725 18 hr ago)
16:08 jcamins The key thing, I discovered, is to make sure you're A) looking at the correct server and B) enabling caching.
16:07 sekjal lunch right now; will look at email to catch up on the issue while I eat
16:06 jcamins sekjal is around. Maybe he'd like to look at the caching. :)
16:01 jcamins Thanks.
15:59 paul_p_ ok, i'll sent a mail to QA team to request a QA on the follow-up
15:58 jcamins I haven't started work on memoize_koha yet.
15:58 jcamins Switch to signed off.
15:58 paul_p_ jcamins = so we can switch to "signed-off" or you want to add your koha_memoize before ?
15:57 paul_p_ np
15:57 jcamins I clarified it was the reports *web services* modules.
15:57 jcamins It was confusing.
15:57 jcamins paul_p_: I changed your commit message a little bit.
15:55 magnuse \o/
15:54 jcamins I can't test very thoroughly right now, but I can confirm that it unbreaks reports, and seems to be caching.
15:54 jcamins Well, it seems to be working.
15:54 jcamins DEBUG sure does result in a lot of output.
15:53 jcamins My oh my.
15:49 paul_p_ jcamins so you saw the solution ;-)
15:49 jcamins paul_p_: the problem was that I was looking at the wrong site.
15:49 paul_p_ I'd prefered that jcamins see the solution, and not the problem :D :D
15:48 jcamins Wait. I see the problem.
15:48 paul_p_ + a new log when the ->new is called
15:47 paul_p_ instead of just namespace => $params->{'namespace'} || 'koha',
15:47 paul_p_ namespace => $ENV{MEMCACHED_NAMESPACE} || $params->{'namespace'} || 'koha',
15:47 paul_p_ expire_time => 600,
15:47 paul_p_ compress_threshold => 10_000,
15:47 paul_p_ debug => 0,
15:47 paul_p_ this patch adds:
15:47 paul_p_ jcamins = just uploaded a new version that add a fix to the opening of the memcache handler
15:46 jcamins Testing now.
15:46 paul_p_ jcamins that's it ;-)
15:46 jcamins That was the problem, I think.
15:46 jcamins paul_p_: nope.
15:46 paul_p_ jcamins = do you have added CACHING_SYSTEM into your 2 virtual hosts & reloaded apache ?
15:44 jcamins The cache doesn't seem to be getting called.
15:44 jcamins Hm.
15:38 * paul_p_ impatient to see how jcamins plans to introduce koha_memoize...
15:37 paul_p_ jcamins http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=9568
15:37 paul_p_ jcamins hehe... i was uploading a fixed version
15:37 jcamins Except you have an unconditional warn.
15:37 jcamins That looks good to me.
15:37 paul_p_ s/if you agree/if you sign-off the patch/
15:37 paul_p_ if you agree, i'll drop all C4::Context->ismemcached references in a follow-up
15:37 paul_p_ jcamins new patch attached, the 3 previous ones made obsolete. I'll let you take care of the koha_memoize to cache subs (so my patch dealing with getAllLanguages... is now discarded)
15:22 jcamins Thanks.
15:22 maximep will try to find time
15:22 jcamins That's the one.
15:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6932 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Needs Signoff , Javascript errors in irregular pattern check update
15:22 maximep oh, bug 6932
15:22 maximep oh, 6932
15:22 jcamins There were a couple of those, too, but there was one that I couldn't figure out what it was for.
15:21 maximep I remember a patch that didnt apply
15:21 maximep hmmm I don't remember that one
15:21 jcamins ;)
15:21 jcamins Just tell us what it is the problem was.
15:21 jcamins maximep: you don't need to do any coding.
15:21 maximep sadly I can't spend time at work on any of them before this summer
15:20 maximep yeah, I have 6-8 bugs in my inbox
15:20 jcamins I don't remember which ones.
15:20 jcamins *Since
15:20 jcamins Sicne you're here, I asked for feedback on a bug or two of yours.
15:20 jcamins maximep: I think that might be asking just a little bit too much.
15:19 maximep it would impress me more that you would find something that didn't have a bug in LO :P
15:15 jcamins Ooh, I found a bug in LibreOffice.
15:11 jcamins But it turns out that actually I could have interpreted the instructions more liberally. ;)
15:10 jcamins I thought it was better to wait until a follow-up to add that, because I wasn't sure why the instructions were to access the environment variable in each .pl.
15:10 jcamins (as much as possible given that one uses memoize differently than one uses a class)
15:09 jcamins When I rebased the original patch, I tried to *exactly* copy the instructions about how to use the new environment variables.
15:09 jcamins Yes, that's what I was proposing.
15:08 paul_p_ is better I think (still untested)
15:08 paul_p_ my @servers = split /,/, $params->{'cache_servers'}?$params->{'cache_servers'}:$ENV{MEMCACHED_SERVERS};
15:08 paul_p_ => if you don't pass a param, it won't fill automagically with $ENV{MEMCACHED_SERVERS}, so the values are mandatory
15:08 paul_p_ jcamins Memcached.pm says : my @servers = split /,/, $params->{'cache_servers'};
15:02 jcamins And it makes shared memory (mmap) caches easy, which is a nice bonus.
15:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7248 enhancement, P3, ---, chrish, Needs Signoff , Caching for services
15:02 * paul_p_ is on bug 7248 now
15:01 * jcamins too.
15:01 paul_p_ jcamins the more I read CHI documentation, the more I like it !
15:00 paul_p_ jcamins yep. And also L1 cache in memory !
15:00 jcamins paul_p_: CHI also takes care of caching the cache handle.
14:54 jcamins That'd greatly simplify things. We'd still need Koha::Cache and Koha::Cache::Memcached (etc.) to configure the caching, but it'd give us a lot more options, probably)
14:54 paul_p_ jcamins yep
14:53 jcamins Yes, that looks very intriguing.
14:53 jcamins And just make Koha::Cache a wrapper around it?
14:53 paul_p_ Optional logging and statistics collection of cache activity
14:53 paul_p_ Probabilistic expiration and busy locks, to reduce cache miss stampedes
14:53 paul_p_ Multilevel caches
14:53 paul_p_ Automatic serialization of keys and values
14:53 paul_p_ Uniform support for namespaces
14:53 paul_p_ Easy to create new drivers
14:53 paul_p_ FEATURES ^
14:52 paul_p_ jcamins = isn't CHI (http://search.cpan.org/~jswartz/CHI-0.52/lib/CHI.pm) also doing what we try to achieve with Koha::Cache ? Shouldn't we investigate this option ?
14:52 paul_p_ chris_n I've some doubts, like you.
14:51 sekjal it's used in C4/Serials, C4/Biblio, and catalouging/additem.pl
14:51 jcamins Okay, still baffled.
14:51 jcamins No.
14:51 jcamins And is GetMarcItem used when doing a search?
14:50 chris_n paul_p_: do you read joubu's comments on 7977 as passing QA or needing another pair of eyeballs on it?
14:50 sekjal and in addorder.pl
14:50 sekjal it's used by GetMarcItem (in a call-chain)
14:50 jcamins TransformKohaToMarc is used by the cataloguing editor, isn't it?
14:49 jcamins I don't see how bug 7722 could *not* be deterministic, if that patch fixes it.
14:48 chris_n searching == insidious
14:48 chris_n that's an understatement ^^
14:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7722 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Insidious problem with searching
14:48 sekjal was writing on bug 7722 's report
14:47 jcamins :D
14:47 * chris_n wonders if sekjal heard a qa discussion was going on :-)
14:47 jcamins sekjal! We were just thinking about you.
14:47 sekjal hi
14:47 chris_n hi sekjal
14:47 chris_n but its not marked passed qa yet
14:47 chris_n his comment was unclear to me
14:46 jcamins chris_n: I think joubu said it passed QA, didn't he?
14:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7977 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, Signed Off , Add a "Quote-of-the-day" feature to the OPAC homepage
14:46 * chris_n beats the QA drum for bug 7977
14:45 jcamins Sounds good to me.
14:45 paul_p_ Koha::Cache::is_cache_active(); ?
14:45 * paul_p_ will perhaps add a trivial method to Koha/Cache for more readability
14:45 * chris_n loves it when jenkins_koha and huginn interrupt an exciting conversation
14:44 paul_p_ perfect ! more code to remove !!! /me like that !
14:44 jcamins Yes.
14:44 paul_p_ do we agree that $usecache is/would be : my $usecache= $ENV{CACHING_SYSTEM}?1:0 ?
14:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5345 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , DataTables in Koha
14:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7982 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Typo in moremember-receipt.tt
14:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8022 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Permissions test doesn't check all languages
14:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8045 normal, P2, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , Problems on Due date when checking in
14:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7984 major, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Fix the upload_local_cover_images permission
14:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7924 critical, P1 - high, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Fix handling of command line arguments in koha-remove
14:43 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 5345: DataTables integration in acquisition module [6]
14:43 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 5345: DataTables integration in acquisition module [10]
14:43 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 5345: DataTables integration in acquisition module [13]
14:43 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 5345: DataTables integration in acquisition module [15]
14:43 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 5345: DataTables integration in acquisition module [9]
14:43 jenkins_koha * srdjan: bug_7647: Table sorter on issue history
14:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8035 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , bibs with comments show an error in opac
14:43 jenkins_koha * magnus: Bug 7982: [SIGNED-OFF] Typo in moremember-receipt.tt
14:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8072 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , reports wizard dies
14:43 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8022: Permissions test doesn't check all languages
14:43 jenkins_koha * adrien.saurat: Bug 8045: fixes "date due" when checking in
14:43 jenkins_koha * magnus: Bug 7984 [SIGNED-OFF] - Fix the upload_local_cover_images permission
14:43 jenkins_koha * magnus: Bug 7924 - Fix handling of command line arguments in koha-remove
14:43 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 8035 - bibs with comments show an error in opac
14:43 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 8072: [SIGNED-OFF] Changes in capitalisation had broken guided reports
14:43 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #726: UNSTABLE in 53 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/726/
14:43 jcamins I was copying from your comment on the bug about how to change the caching.
14:43 paul_p_ OK, we mostly agree then ! perfect !
14:42 paul_p_ s/report code/report file/
14:42 jcamins Agreed.
14:42 paul_p_ from the report code, because there's no reason to force memcache
14:42 paul_p_ 'cache_servers' => $ENV{'MEMCACHED_SERVERS'}
14:42 paul_p_ and removing 'cache_type' => 'memcached',
14:42 jcamins But accessing the Memcached configuration should be done only in the Koha::Cache::Memcached class, I think.
14:42 jcamins paul_p_: okay, that's fine too.
14:42 paul_p_ OK for that
14:41 paul_p_ jcamins = not a syspref (because they couldn't be cached), but another ENV{}
14:41 jcamins Or set it in koha-conf.xml.
14:41 jcamins paul_p_: better to use a syspref to choose that.
14:41 paul_p_ jcamins yep, to see which caching system is configured.
14:41 jcamins You should check that in Koha::Cache::Memcached.
14:41 jcamins You check for MEMCACHED_SERVERS directly in Koha::Cache.
14:40 jcamins In your first follow-up.
14:40 paul_p_ which env var are you talking about ?
14:40 paul_p_ not sure I understand correctly "move the environment variable code that you added"
14:40 jcamins (make it as easy as possible to cache everything;)
14:40 jcamins And my proposed follow-up with memoize_koha would eliminate the need for custom caching code.
14:39 jcamins If I understand correctly what you are trying to do, that will make everything as generic as possible.
14:39 paul_p_ jcamins will also investigate this option
14:39 jcamins Then everything will just work automagically.
14:39 jcamins paul_p_: I think a better option for your follow-up would be to move the environment variable code that you added into Koha::Cache::Memcached.
14:37 jcamins However, that's what we were already using, and I didn't want to go too far out on a limb when revising rangi's patch.
14:37 paul_p_ jcamins i'll try to submit a follow-up to my patches, that let you force a given caching system
14:37 jcamins We agree about that last bit.
14:36 paul_p_ I also think that the C4::Context->ismemcached must be removed, for consistency
14:35 paul_p_ jcamins I also think that the "$namespace:" included when you set_in_cache is useless, because we already select the namespace when opening the memcache connexion
14:34 paul_p_ jcamins and what do you expect from me and my patch ?
14:34 jcamins However, I don't want to do anything until it's pushed.
14:33 jcamins paul_p_: I would like to write memoize_koha.
14:33 paul_p_ jcamins what's the next step you plan to do for this bug ?
14:32 jcamins paul_p_: the idea is that this way, if you want to use a different cache for a particular type of data, you can.
14:30 jcamins paul_p_: it defaulted to memcached.
14:30 hdl1 jcamins: paul_p_ : Cache::CHI could be interesting
14:30 jcamins paul_p_: no, it wasn't mandatory.
14:30 paul_p_ (unless I misunderstood something)
14:30 paul_p_ jcamins = nope, it was mandatory
14:29 jcamins That's the way it was before.
14:29 paul_p_ sounds OK to me
14:29 jcamins Yes.
14:29 paul_p_ jcamins would you be happy to have an option in ->new() to force a given system ?
14:29 jcamins But what if I don't want to?
14:29 paul_p_ * add a few lines to Cache.pm
14:29 jcamins paul_p_: if you want to change *EVERYTHING*, sure.
14:29 paul_p_ * add SUPERCACHE parameters in your koha-httpd.conf
14:29 paul_p_ * remove MEMCACHED_SERVERS from your configuration
14:28 paul_p_ jcamins ??? yes, there is, just tweak a few lines in Cache.pm !
14:28 jcamins I agree that by default everything should be memcached. But with the change, there's no way to say "I want to use a different cache system."
14:27 jcamins paul_p_: make it default to SUPERCACHE, don't eliminate the option to instead use memcached.
14:27 paul_p_ s/wanted/want/
14:27 paul_p_ jcamins not yet, but we should use it much more and I wanted to make it easy !
14:26 paul_p_ with this system, if we want to switch to SUPERCACHE new system, we just have to update Koha::Cache.pm
14:26 jcamins paul_p_: we're not using caching in almost every script.
14:26 paul_p_ but I finally thought it was not necessary.
14:25 paul_p_ I had another idea = set the cache system in koha-httpd.conf
14:25 paul_p_ jcamins i'm not sure I understand you well. For me, in .pl source, there must be no reference to the caching system. Otherwise, if we change it, that will require dozens of scripts to be updated !
14:25 jcamins Much more elegant.
14:25 jcamins Rather than including caching code in each routine for memoizing, we could have a Koha::Cache::Memoize that exports memoize_koha, and just replace memoize_memcached with memoize_koha.
14:24 jcamins Also, I had a suggestion for a better way to replace the memoize calls.
14:24 jcamins If we keep all the memcached in Koha::Cache::Memcached, that seems more elegant.
14:24 jcamins Your patch added memcached directly into Koha::Cache.
14:24 jcamins The idea behind Koha::Cache is to have it entirely cache-agnostic.
14:23 jcamins Because that way you can have different types of caches coexisting.
14:23 paul_p_ why ?
14:23 paul_p_ jcamins /me reading
14:23 jcamins Better to pass in the cache type.
14:23 jcamins I don't think that's such a good approach.
14:22 paul_p_ ( morning is either finished or still not here until 10 hours here :D )
14:22 jcamins Good morning.
14:22 paul_p_ good morning jcamins
14:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7248 enhancement, P3, ---, chrish, Needs Signoff , Caching for services
14:21 jcamins paul_p_: I looked at your patches for bug 7248.
14:10 chris_n paul_p++ # for pushing like mad :-)
13:50 jenkins_koha Starting build #726 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
13:49 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_5345' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9ec7ac5b8e036ad824636df5acd4e1ec2ebb45c8> / Bug 5345: DataTables integration in acquisition module [6] <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4df6ccacf1aa78721f097b49f4f8849ef16e8436> / Bug 5345: DataTables integration in acquisition module [10] <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?
13:26 Barrc That could be a lot of fun too!
13:26 paul_p (and we stay for the whole week)
13:25 paul_p Barrc right. But we are 7 so have booked 3 appartments
13:25 Barrc paul_p: Not a hotel then? It makes more sense if there will be a few of you staying for a few days! I am just looking at hotels so was wondering if anyone had any decent ones booked!
13:24 wahanui Edinburgh is for sure now
13:24 paul_p Edinburgh
13:24 paul_p 11 Brandfield Street Haymarket
13:24 paul_p Barrc BibLibre will stay at StayEdinburgh - West End Apartments
13:23 Barrc Is there any hotel most people have settled on for KohaCon or are people all over the place!?
13:22 paul_p OK, flights booked, finally !!! there will be 7 of us at KohaCon, there's no doubt about that now.
13:20 raja hello all, Email settings in koha 3.6
12:38 kf I am sure it will work out :)
12:37 matts :\
12:37 paul_p matts yep, (hélas), flight still not booked...
12:37 matts You still don't have your tickets, paul_p ?
12:36 matts :)
12:36 kf nice :)
12:36 paul_p kf francharb, alex_a1, matts, adrien, me, clrh and sophie_m
12:35 kf I know francharb is the one from lyon? :)
12:35 kf who will it be paul_p?
12:35 kf nice
12:35 paul_p (yes, we will be 7 and not 6 as announced)
12:35 paul_p the 5 ppl from BibLibre coming from Marseille have a lot of problem booking the flights... (credit card rejected, then price no more available,...) We have the appartment booked, the one coming from strasbourg has his flight, the one coming from Lyon too, but the 5 from Marseille still no :((((
12:33 kf me too
12:33 paul_p happy to see him again !
12:33 kf lol, probably not for the price of 1
12:33 paul_p really 2 engards (for the price of 1) ?
12:33 kf yes, looking very much forward to kohacon
12:33 kf heh
12:33 nengard I am too of course :)
12:33 kf :)
12:33 nengard he's excited to see you all again
12:33 nengard YES!! :)
12:32 kf nengard: ah nice, so bengard will be with you? :)
12:32 francharb thanks! :)
12:32 druthb francharb++ #for that, plus just being all-around awesome.
12:32 nengard so we needed to talk to them
12:32 kf francharb: can't wait to try it out :)
12:32 nengard kf i've had the flight a while, but was waiting on the hotels and transportation cause we're coming the week before to visit with friends
12:32 francharb :)
12:32 nengard francharb++ (for offline circ docs)
12:31 kf I am already all booked (since before hackfest in marseille) :)
12:31 nengard spent yesterday booking stuff for kohacon!!
12:31 kf <!++
12:31 kf so
12:31 kf oleonard: it used to work with HTP...
12:31 huginn druthb: "rangi": 568, "oleonard": 498, "wizzyrea": 335, "gmcharlt": 309, "chris_n": 295, "cait": 285, "jcamins": 278, "sekjal": 234, "nengard": 214, "paul_p": 211, "kf": 185, "magnuse": 162, "slef": 148, "druthb": 145, "eythian": 95, "hdl": 67, "fredericd": 65, "biblibre": 64, "hdl_laptop": 60, "jwagner": 54, "marcelr": 52, "kmkale": 46, "thd": 45, "atz": 44, and "pianohacker": 39
12:31 druthb @most increased
12:31 oleonard Take that, <! !
12:31 druthb beats no solution, kf.
12:31 kf but hopefully we can patch it
12:30 oleonard <!--
12:30 kf druthb: it's only a bad solution to make it work for now :(
12:30 huginn druthb: Highest karma: "rangi" (563), "oleonard" (493), and "wizzyrea" (335). Lowest karma: "<!" (-109), "failed" (-82), and "-" (-47). You (druthb) are ranked 14 out of 2057.
12:30 druthb @karma
12:30 druthb kf++
12:29 kf magnuse: that's what I am going to do now
12:29 kf magnuse: if you want to fix manually - you just have to add some line breaks to the translated file
12:29 magnuse ah
12:28 kf not so long since we upgraded from 3.2.2
12:28 kf our libraries do
12:27 magnuse does that mean noone uses it or what?
12:27 magnuse ouch!
12:27 kf seems the cart mail was broken since the switch to TT
12:27 magnuse bring a bag of books, then ;-)
12:26 kf I tried git bisect for the first time today... but the result was a bit frustratng
12:26 druthb I did bring a few...but not that many.
12:26 druthb heh. As fast as I can go through my trashy romance novels, magnuse, I'd need *seven* of them just for the flight from Amman to Chicago. Three more for the layover in Chicago, plus one for the flight to KC.
12:26 magnuse bring a book!
12:25 druthb long day in the air.
12:25 druthb I leave here Friday morning, early-ish. (10:30 AM here, 2:30 AM Central US)...and get back to KC about 11:30 PM Centraal.
12:24 oleonard How much more time on your trip?
12:24 oleonard Hi druthb
12:24 druthb Hi, oleonard! :D
12:01 kf bit busy here today
12:01 kf slef: sorry
11:45 slef ;)
11:45 slef and my nick isn't slef:
11:45 slef or at least I think I am
11:44 slef I'm standing here.
11:41 huginn kf: The operation succeeded.
11:41 kf @later tell slef: mail me what you think or what I can help with - I didn't want to change the program without talking to you first
11:31 mle_ : )
11:30 kf mle_: wb :)
11:28 kf slef: sorry, was called away - now back
11:28 kf slef: ther is sone block on the second day that is too full
11:15 druthb why, yes. yes, I am. This has been just *buckets* of fun, but I'm ready.
11:15 wahanui well, druthb is ready to be home.
11:15 druthb wahanui: druthb?
11:14 wahanui That's Ms. Cait to you! or in a very good mood today :)
11:14 druthb wahanui: cait?
11:14 druthb hee
11:13 wahanui i heard kf was cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss or a holds expert.
11:13 druthb wahanui: kf?
11:13 mle_ ww ; )
11:13 mle_ ahem
11:13 mle_ \nick_mle_afk
11:09 slef http://www.uk.coop/event/kohacon12-international-library-management-system-conference
11:09 slef the
11:09 slef kf: I must reread them email!
11:09 kf slef: less worried about the free spots, more worried about the one that is too full
11:08 kf slef: I iwill not be around much later this afternoon and in the evening
11:08 wahanui errrrgh arrrrgh stop it that tickles a bit!
11:08 slef wahanui: die!
11:08 wahanui slef: wish i knew
11:08 slef wahanui: who asked you?
11:08 wahanui I haven't seen 'the', slef
11:08 slef kf: seen the mail. Not worked on kohacon since. Thanks for the help. The spaces are for the GDC talks. I've updates on them now. Could I mail them to you if I don't get to them by mid-afternoon?
11:07 kf slef: wrote you a mail after I saw you were not around
11:07 kf slef: hi :) wanted to talk to you about the schedule
11:03 slef kf: I wasn't but am now. (09:34:57 <cait> slef: around?)
09:59 dgl-library I won't make any major customizations, though, before upgrading.
09:59 kf for 3.8.1 - and it would still require bit programming, but you get more options
09:58 kf I would wait a bit longer perhaps
09:58 dgl-library I see… a good reason to upgrade from 3.6…
09:58 kf and configure a path to them in a system preference
09:58 kf in 3.8 for example you can maintain those files locally
09:58 kf dgl-library: it's getting easier to customize those with newer versions
09:57 dgl-library yes, seems odd there'd be so much information we can input, so many options, but such limited display options — and difficulty in customizing the display options
09:56 kf dgl-library: yes, more people working on the xslt - I think hte normal view has not been changed for a long time
09:56 dgl-library those were all missing in the standard view
09:56 dgl-library As far as I can tell, xslt view *does* try to pull in all the marc data, or at least all the helpful data, like subtitle, TOC
09:55 dgl-library I see. Very good to know.
09:52 kf well in general it's better to avoid customizing files
09:52 kf so you don't get problems with the automatic translations
09:51 kf the xslt files get translated - so it's better to avoid changing them
09:51 dgl-library Thanks, I will do that. Just from what I've seen in the past 2 minutes, the problem may be solved :)
09:51 kf it's in the template directories in a special directory xslt - there are lots of files, look for Detail and Result
09:51 kf if you look at the file you will perhaps get an idea
09:51 kf so you can display every field from the marc xml using it
09:50 kf it's a way to create a html display from xml
09:50 kf there are lots of sources about xslt on the internet
09:50 kf hm I think we have no special documentation about htat
09:50 dgl-library Where would I find more information on customizing the xslt?
09:49 dgl-library kf++
09:49 kf I think the xslt views are in general nicer
09:49 kf :)
09:49 dgl-library Thank you! I just activated XSLT and the subtitles are showing up
09:49 kf if that makes sense
09:49 kf but it's a lot easier to change than the existing normal normal view
09:48 kf you would have to change the file
09:48 kf also the xslt can be customized easier - but not from within Koha
09:48 kf and it might be that switching the pref to XSLT helps your problems
09:48 kf the "normal" and the "XSLT" version of the normal view
09:48 kf but there are 2 existing variations
09:48 kf the normal view (default view) can not be standardized like the marc view can
09:47 kf in opac you can see different views
09:47 kf hm, let me explain
09:47 dgl-library so the normal view cannot be customized?
09:47 kf will replace the normal view
09:47 kf no, it's a different view for the default/normal view in opac
09:46 dgl-library kf: ah, on another tab, right?
09:46 kf search your system preferences for xslt
09:46 kf dgl-library: they show a bit more information than the normal views and are more actively mainteined
09:46 dgl-library kf: never heard of that, so I don't think so.
09:46 kf dgl-library: have you activated the xslt system preferences?
09:46 kf dgl-library: that's a bit tricky
09:45 dgl-library I have a question about the OPAC: Several fields, including subtitles (MARC 245b) are not showing up. Where can I adjust that?
09:44 dgl-library jcamins_away: your suggestions worked
09:32 manju hi
09:31 dgl-library Hi #koha
09:25 manju Any help regarding email settings in koha 3.6
07:45 kf hi druthb
07:44 huginn francharb: The operation succeeded.
07:44 francharb @later tell nengard :have you seen the offline circulation tool documentation I sent on koha@lists.katipo.co.nz? hope it will help! ;^)
07:43 francharb hi druthb
07:43 francharb :later tell nengard :have you seen the offline circulation tool documentation I sent on koha@lists.katipo.co.nz? hope it will help! ;^)
07:43 druthb hi, magnus and francharb and kf! :D
07:33 kf :)
07:32 magnuse kia ora #koha!
07:32 connor_l_dewar kiaora
07:32 francharb hi kf, hi #koha
07:30 kf hi #koha
07:22 akhil how to enable email in koha 3.6 in obuntu 10.04
07:18 druthb o/
07:09 akhil i have installed postfix on ubuntu 10.04
07:08 akhil how to enable email in koha 3.6
07:07 samuel hi everybody :-)
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06:40 cait hi marcelr
06:34 marcelr hi koha
06:28 alex_a1 bonjour cait
06:28 cait bonjour alex_a1
06:26 alex_a bonjour
04:40 Space_Librarian aaaand.... that's me for the day. ciao all
04:39 cait hi Space_Librarian :)
04:38 Space_Librarian morning cait :)
04:07 Space_Librarian hey mtj :)
03:54 * mtj waves to space and rangi
03:53 mtj http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20120510125740981
03:53 mtj oooh, heres a groklaw write-up on the oracle vs google case - for the curious...
03:52 Space_Librarian that's very interesting
03:52 Space_Librarian sweet. thank you.
03:48 rangi it ran out of RAM but now to figure out why
03:47 rangi ill now investigate what happened
03:47 rangi back
03:39 Space_Librarian that would be awesome. Thanks :)
03:38 rangi not that i know of, ill look
03:38 Space_Librarian rangi: any reason why our koha should be down again?
01:09 renren Can the system automatically detect the reader once I plug it in? barcode
01:09 renren Can the system automatically detect the reader once I plug it in?
01:07 renren is barcode is already integrated to koha?
01:06 renren hi guys..