Time Nick Message 01:42 Milts_NZ Hey Idlers, is there anyone I can talk to about stopwords in Koha? 01:42 druthb Hi, Milts. :) 01:43 Milts_NZ hey :D 01:43 Milts_NZ we're playing with stopwords, and it seems to make little difference... is it correct that you can't use stopwords if Zebra is turned on? 01:43 Milts_NZ because without them our relevancy ranking is pretty off... 01:44 druthb The short answer is, if you're using NoZebra, there are stopwords, but you have bigger problems, as that is deprecated, and really shouldn't be used. If you're using Zebra, there are no stopwords. 01:44 Milts_NZ ah I was wondering that. We are using Zebra. 01:44 druthb I've not observed that problem here; lemme grab a couple of settings for you to check. 01:44 mtj ooh, that sounds like it needs a bug logged 01:44 druthb what does? 01:44 wahanui does is calculate the discount on this price or the tax is removed before to calculte the discount on the price before taxes? 01:45 druthb wahanui: forget does 01:45 wahanui druthb: I forgot does 01:45 Milts_NZ I've got a screenshot of a search for the title of an item uploaded here: http://www.4freeimagehost.com/show.php?i=8740fa83bc35.png 01:46 Milts_NZ and it appears 6th in the list with all the items before it seemingly appearing because they have "a" and "the" in the titles 01:46 druthb we get best results with QueryAutoTruncate set to "only if * is added", QueryFuzzy "Try", QueryStemming "Try", QueryWeightFields "Enable". 01:47 druthb Now, in the default install, defaultSortField/defaultSortOrder are set to relevance/ascending, which doesn't make much sense...it puts the *lowest* relevance first. 01:47 Milts_NZ OK. We don't have QueryFuzzy and QueryStemming on, maybe they would help 01:47 Milts_NZ ooooo o.0 01:47 druthb I always end up setting defaultSortOrder and OPACdefaultSortOrder to "descending," which makes better sense for relevance. 01:48 Milts_NZ will that also make a difference when searching in the staff side? 01:48 druthb defaultSortOrder is the staff sidd, OPACdefaultSortOrder is the OPAC 01:48 druthb *side 01:49 mtj druthb: a patch to remove stopwords, after nozebra code is deleted 01:49 druthb no need to reindex when you change those; it Just Works. 01:49 druthb mtj++ once NoZebra is gone, yeah, all the stuff that only works for NoZebra needs to go away tooooo 01:50 Milts_NZ druthb: Thanks, playing with the sort order's done it 01:50 druthb Glad to have been of service Milts. I set up new installs all the time, and that's just one of my setting-up steps. 01:52 Milts_NZ druthb: SpaceLibrarian also says Hi and THANKS 01:52 druthb :D Tell her hello for me! 01:53 mtj ...bug logged :) 01:53 Milts_NZ :D 01:54 * Space_Librarian appears in a blinding flash of light 01:54 druthb I have trouble teaching librarians occasionally that you don't do CCL queries with Koha...just throw words at it, like you do Google, and it mostly Just Works. 01:54 * druthb squees happily! 01:54 Space_Librarian hey druthb :D 01:55 Space_Librarian Thanks for the epic fix. 01:55 * druthb blushes. 01:55 Milts_NZ druthb: there should be a popup when you open Koha for the first time with a list of 'best default settings' 01:55 druthb T'weren't nothin', sweetie. Just something I've learned about new installs, having done so many of 'em. 01:55 Milts_NZ because without you, we would have been lost for a long time 01:55 Space_Librarian I get the feeling much of our Initial Set-Up wasn't ever actually Set-Up... so what Milts_NZ says would be great. 01:56 Space_Librarian druthb++ 01:56 druthb even a manual chapter, or something on the wiki or something, might be helpful. But if the mode is "relevance", the default oughta be "Descending" as installed anyway...that's always seemed a lil silly. 01:59 Milts_NZ From a 'slightly lost end user' perspective it seems _quite_ silly 02:00 mtj pssst... log a bug... 02:00 Milts_NZ I've logged 2 in the last month, isn't there some kind of quota? 02:00 Space_Librarian I think Milts_NZ may be getting tired of my saying "log a bug" too 02:01 Space_Librarian :p 02:01 druthb I logged one yesterday, so this'll be my second this month, too. 02:03 druthb Bug 8012 filed. 02:04 druthb I suppose since I said "trivial to fix", you'll be wanting a *patch* or something, too, mtj? :P 02:07 druthb It looks like there was an attempt to fix this, by handling the "NULL" initialized value in the syspref at the template. But why not just initialize the value correctly? 02:08 mtj see, after a little bit of practice - i can log a bug in about the same time it takes me to bitch about something borken on #irc 02:09 druthb Since you can't set NULL in the interface, it really makes little sense to me why the value is initialized NULL. 02:10 mtj not saying that y'all are 'bitching' :) 02:13 * druthb walks out onto the high dive, in a hurricane, with nothing but a small tumbler of water where the pool should be, blindfolded... 02:15 mtj druthb: nope, no patch wanted from me :) logging the issue is 'GOOD-ENUFF' (tm applied for) 02:15 druthb It looks to me like the basic case that Fridolyn raises in bug 6092 needs to be handled, for systems where that is still set to NULL, as well as setting the values in the installer (Bug 8012) 02:15 druthb Still a pretty trivial patch, IMO. 02:20 mtj ...you keep digging that hole, ruth :) 02:20 druthb mtj: :P 02:21 druthb I require frozen yogurt, and chocolate. Perhaps chocolate frozen yogurt. Back directly, and then I'll consider writing a patch to clear up both of these bugs. 02:23 * Space_Librarian now wants gelato 02:24 jcamins_away Space_Librarian: I look forward to signing off on your patch adding 773 to the OPAC results. :) 02:26 * Space_Librarian blinks and scurries off to check the patches 02:27 jcamins_away Space_Librarian: did you write that patch yet? 02:27 jcamins_away I didn't notice it yet if you did! 02:27 Space_Librarian I'm trying to remember if I did or not! 02:27 jcamins_away Doesn't look like it. 02:28 jcamins_away I certainly was under the impression that you hadn't. 02:28 jcamins_away But there's still time! 02:30 Space_Librarian Yes, yes there is. Now. to remember what I was going to do... 02:30 jcamins What we really need is for the 773 to show up in OPAC results. 02:31 jcamins As it happens, I can point you to an example of what might be wanted. 02:31 jcamins Convenient, isn't that? 02:31 jcamins :) 02:31 Space_Librarian what was I going to do. That's right. That's what I was going to do. Will investigate it now. 02:31 Space_Librarian Very convenient. 02:31 Space_Librarian Point me in the right direction! 02:32 * Space_Librarian has delegated all work and wants something to do that is productive. 02:32 jcamins https://github.com/jcamins/koha/blob/nnan2/koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/xslt/MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl#L510 02:32 jcamins That's even not a staggeringly awful URL. :) 02:33 Space_Librarian it isn't indeed 02:34 jcamins So you can combine that example with the code we have in the OPAC Details page to get something like what you want. http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/xslt/MARC21slim2OPACDetail.xsl;h=f507e11fcd1a160a193d104f81b96ff902d87f73;hb=HEAD#l634 02:34 jcamins ^^ that's a pretty awful URL. 02:34 * Space_Librarian does something about a github login 02:35 Space_Librarian re: the ^^ URL - O.o 02:35 jcamins My first link shouldn't require a login. 02:35 jcamins Did it demand that you login? 02:35 jcamins If it did, I'll try and fix that. 02:36 Space_Librarian nope? the first link too me straight to the code 02:36 Space_Librarian took* 02:36 jcamins Oh, good. :) 02:36 jcamins That's what it was supposed to do. 02:37 Space_Librarian excellent 02:37 jcamins druthb_away: BTW, speak for yourself, I use CCL for most of my searching in Koha. 02:37 jcamins And regularly curse our "implementation." 02:39 * jcamins sighs- wish I had more time for signing things off just now. 02:40 * Space_Librarian offers a TARDIS for use 02:40 jcamins Yes! 02:40 jcamins Thank you! 02:40 jcamins [off] can I use my borrowed TARDIS to get a do-over for this week? 02:41 Space_Librarian [off] sure, I'm not going to need it. 02:42 jcamins :) 02:42 Space_Librarian just don't let wizzyrea anywhere near it, you'll never get it back. 02:42 jcamins lol 03:04 Milts_NZ Thx all for the help, have a great day/evening/night/morning (depending) 04:02 Amit_Gupta heya bag 04:41 Oak kia ora #koha 05:21 Amit_Gupta heya cait 05:21 cait hi Amit_Gupta 05:24 francharb good morning 05:24 cait good morning francharb :) 05:32 Oak Guten Morgen cait :) 05:38 cait hi Oak :) 05:50 Oak :) 06:23 alex_a bonjour 06:53 reiveune hello 07:05 magnuse kia ora #koha! 07:11 clrh hello all 07:13 magnuse vonjour clrh 07:13 magnuse or "bonjour", your choice :-) 07:14 kf hi #koha 07:14 magnuse guten morgen kf 07:23 esofiane Hi everybody 07:24 magnuse hiya esofiane 07:24 magnuse danielg++ 07:24 magnuse @seen danielg 07:24 magnuse no? 07:24 wahanui no is failing unit tests 07:24 magnuse oh well 07:24 clrh I prefer bonjour magnuse ^^ 07:24 * magnuse will try to remember that 07:40 newa34 helo everyone.... 07:41 newa34 I am having "Could not find opac-search.xml in /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/ at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Search.pm line 606 " error with newly installed koha 3.8 07:41 newa34 can make search on Staff Client but on OPAC this error appeared ....any idea any one?? 07:45 magnuse newa34: never seen that before, are you using pazpar2? 07:46 Amit_Gupta heya magnuse 07:46 newa34 yes i have selected pazpar2 during installation 07:46 kf hi magnuse and all 07:47 magnuse hiya Amit_Gupta 07:49 newa34 i think i did had nearly same error during koha 3.2 but...on later version i havent got it...during tat time it was some sort of package missing...but this time i can find there is no any package missing required for koha installation 07:49 kf perhaps try turning off the pazpar2 preference 07:49 kf try a search for grouped in the system preferences 07:49 magnuse when i set OpacGroupResults = Use i get the same error 07:49 newa34 i am installing it on Debian(Squeeze) 07:49 kf ah yep that one 07:49 Amit_Gupta heya kf 07:50 newa34 ok i will try it now...few minutes plz 07:50 magnuse but i never tried setting up pazpar2, so i can't be of much help here 07:53 newa34 magnus u were right...it worked when i turned off OpacGroupResult 07:54 newa34 need to figure out more abt pazpar2....anyway thax alots magnuse 07:55 magnuse no problemo! 07:59 kf magnuse++ 08:00 magnuse hey, i didn't do much! 08:00 kf Could not find opac-search.xml in /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/ at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Search.pm line 606 is Try to turn of the OpacGroupResults system preference. 08:00 kf Could not find opac-search.xml in /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/ at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Search.pm line 606? 08:00 kf wahanui: Could not find opac-search.xml in /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/ at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Search.pm is <reply> Try to turn of the OpacGroupResults system preference. :) 08:00 wahanui OK, kf. 08:00 magnuse i wonder if it is a bug or just missing setup, though 08:00 kf Could not find opac-search.xml in /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/ at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Search.pm? 08:00 kf hmpf 08:01 kf Could not find opac-search.xml in /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/ at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Search.pm is? 08:01 kf wahanui is being mean 08:01 magnuse it's friday... 08:03 magnuse hey, it's friday! 08:03 magnuse pizzaday! 08:03 newa34 Do anyone have Idea about GMAIL SMTP for carts....? 08:04 newa34 some of the frens post patch with concept of Centralize mail system for koha 3.6 is it now included on 3.8? or need to patch to have ta feature 09:23 babu hi to all 09:27 kf search faq? 09:27 wahanui search faq is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/ 09:29 babu BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at C:/Usr/koha229/opac/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl line 7. 09:30 kf babu: are you trying to install Koha on windows? 09:32 vfernandes Hi Koha community 09:33 vfernandes one question: on UNIMARC Koha souldn't the field 099 in the marcxml be filled automatically? 09:34 vfernandes in UNIMARC the field 099 have two subfield: the creation date (date-entered-on-file) and the last modification date 09:35 vfernandes but when I create a new record (or when editing) the field isn't filled in the marcxml 09:35 vfernandes the values for that subfields are in the biblio table, but should also be in the column marcxml of biblioitems 09:36 vfernandes anyone knows how to solve this? 09:46 vfernandes no one? 09:46 wahanui no one is saying a word, soooooo 09:46 kf vfernandes: sorry, I don't know about UNIMARC 09:46 kf we are using MARC21 only 09:47 kf so no idea about your problem 09:47 vfernandes right...but shouldn't koha fill that field automatically? 09:48 kf I don't know 09:49 vfernandes ok thanks anyway kf... maybe should be better to send a email to the koha list 10:00 samuel hi everybody! 10:01 kf hi samuel 10:45 newa34 ok gudday all ..see u all soon 12:26 oleonard So. 12:28 kf hi oleonard :) 12:28 oleonard Hi kf 12:29 kf it's friday :) 12:30 oleonard Yes. 12:30 * kf offers a cookie for a smile 12:31 oleonard :) 12:32 * kf hands over the cookie 12:33 * oleonard would take it if he could as it would go well with this coffee 12:34 kf oleonard: if you believe strong enough... it will work 12:38 oleonard Strange, when the selection is moved from one radio button to another the change() function doesn't fire on the one the selection moves away from 12:39 kf in circ? 12:39 oleonard I'd like to hide the "restricted unil" date entry form on memberentry if "Restricted: No" is checked. 12:40 kf yeah 12:40 kf that woudl be good I think 12:57 magnuse this is encouraging: http://div.libriotech.no/kohamisc/36x-vs-master.png it's the response times for two koha opacs, green is 3.6.4, blue is current master 12:59 kf oh cool 12:59 kf is this memcache or plack or something? or just as is? 13:00 magnuse pretty much as is 13:00 magnuse the blue one has tt caching turned on 13:00 magnuse no memcache or plack 13:00 kf oh nice! 13:01 magnuse it might look different for things like search, but it's moving in the right direction 13:03 kf yep 13:07 oleonard Bug 8014 13:07 * oleonard taps his foot, looking around 13:07 jcamins_away Ooh, cool! 13:07 jcamins_away (in response to magnuse's graph) 13:07 magnuse hehe 13:08 jcamins_away For those who have been eagerly awaiting the results of my research, it looks like our fridge uses a bit more than 1/3 of the electricity we consume in a month. 13:08 magnuse oops 13:09 oleonard Wow. did you use one of those plug-in meters? 13:09 * magnuse would consider a new fridge 13:09 jcamins_away oleonard: yup. 13:09 oleonard http://search.myacpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=253660 13:10 jcamins_away magnuse: that's why I decided I needed a meter. 13:10 jcamins_away oleonard: cool! 13:10 magnuse jcamins_away: cool 13:10 magnuse oleonard: cool 13:10 magnuse oops "In transit from Wells (Albany) to Glouster since 09/30/2011" 13:10 jcamins_away The next step is to find out whether a new fridge would improve things significantly. 13:11 oleonard magnuse: Yeah, we have issues with our cargo delivery contractor :( 13:11 magnuse how old is the old one? 13:11 magnuse oleonard: :-( 13:11 jcamins_away magnuse: uhhh... thirty or forty years? 13:11 jcamins_away I think. 13:11 magnuse then i think a new one will improve things sigificantly, yes :-) 13:11 * oleonard agrees! 13:12 oleonard Also: Holy smokes that's an old fridge! 13:12 jcamins_away oleonard: it certainly is. The internet doesn't seem to know that this type of fridge was ever made. 13:13 jcamins_away (other than a few vague references to "we bought the fridge sometime in the seventies") 13:13 magnuse hehe 13:13 magnuse don't expect the next one to last that long, though... :-( 13:13 oleonard "in the bleary haze of a cocaine-and-disco hangover" 13:14 magnuse hehe 13:15 oleonard The ad read, "Can hold up to 100 cans of Tab!" 13:16 jcamins_away magnuse: yeah, I know. :( 13:17 jcamins_away The question is whether the electricity usage is high enough for a new fridge to pay for itself. 13:17 magnuse i'd bet it is 13:18 jcamins_away Using more than 1/3 of our electricity does seem rather significant. 13:18 magnuse yup 13:19 jcamins_away Sadly they're staggeringly expensive. 13:21 oleonard They can be, but I don't think they have to be (although I don't know how efficiency will affect the price offhand) 13:21 jcamins_away According to GE, a new refrigerator uses approximately 1/4 as much electricity. 13:22 jcamins_away oleonard: unfortunately we have a very narrow kitchen, so we need a "deluxe" size. 13:22 * magnuse would have guessed a deluxe was bigger than normal 13:23 jcamins_away It's not actually called deluxe. 13:23 jcamins_away But based on the price, it's considered a deluxe size. 13:23 magnuse ah 13:26 Culiforge could someone provide some assistance getting zebra going on a fedora 14 system? 13:28 jcamins_away Culiforge: I don't think anyone here uses Fedora, sorry. 13:28 * jcamins_away wanders off 13:33 slef Culiforge: I rarely do fedora. What's the problem? 13:33 slef meta-question? 13:33 wahanui just ask, don't ask if you can ask and if the right people are not here, they won't answer or you can use huginn's @later to leave a message 13:33 slef except huginn's missing 13:34 slef but there's logbot 13:42 Culiforge slef: well, when I installed on ubuntu, everything went great but the school here wants it on fedora and I couldn't talk them out of it 13:43 Culiforge slef: but I can't seem to get zebra to run much less start at boot 13:45 * wizzyrea doesn't use fedora 13:45 * wizzyrea waves 13:46 oleonard Hi wizzyrea 13:47 Culiforge wizzyrea: nor do I .... fedora would be so much better if it were deb based... :o 13:47 wizzyrea but I'd have to take a guess and say that permissions are what's tripping you up 13:47 wizzyrea unless your specific error messages imply differently 13:52 Culiforge http://pastebin.com/rWfgAxUb 13:53 wizzyrea that looks more like a typo in koha-conf.xml 13:54 chris_n bug 8000 13:54 wizzyrea huginn has gone awol 13:54 * chris_n pokes wahanui 13:54 * chris_n pokes huginn 13:55 * oleonard hands chris_n a "Get to know your bots" pamphlet 13:55 * chris_n pokes gmcharlt 13:55 chris_n lol 13:55 wizzyrea he's at eg12conf 13:55 Culiforge wizzyrea: but there shouldn't be colons in xml tags should there? 13:56 wizzyrea right 7999 and 8000 are not the same 13:56 wizzyrea similar, but not the same 13:56 Culiforge wizzyrea: or section tags rather.. the koha-conf.xml template from the install has none 14:00 wizzyrea hm yea idk then. 14:03 wizzyrea well I have a strange problem after my ubuntu upgrade 14:03 jcamins Oh! Yes! I'm upgrading Ubuntu! 14:04 Culiforge I notice there's #koha on katipo.co.nz.... when I google fedora and koha together, that's where most of the hits come from.... anyone have opinions on whether that might be a good place to ask? 14:04 jcamins Upgrade is finished. 14:04 jcamins Culiforge: that's the Koha mailing list. 14:04 wizzyrea that channel is this channel 14:04 Culiforge jcamins: so no one there? 14:05 wizzyrea no one's home 14:05 jcamins The IRC channel moved over to here. 14:05 wizzyrea :) 14:05 Culiforge ah, ok 14:05 wizzyrea oh bother, I guess pastebot is broken too? 14:06 pastebot "jcamins" at 24.193.130.86 pasted "wizzyrea: I'm testing pastebot" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/369 14:06 wizzyrea wtfrack 14:06 oleonard Oh boy, I have an old problem back after upgrading Ubuntu: laptop display won't wake up after being closed :( 14:06 wizzyrea boo! 14:06 wizzyrea mine worked mostly ok I think 14:07 wizzyrea well, it broke my hibernation again 14:07 oleonard Probably means some proprietary driver problem. 14:07 wizzyrea but that's easily fixed. 14:07 wizzyrea (that's my fault anyway.) 14:08 wizzyrea anyway: paste.koha-community.org/370 14:08 wizzyrea same in /usr/local/share/perl 14:09 jcamins Does anyone remember what attribute is keyword? 14:09 wizzyrea but in /usr/lib/perl I have 5.14.2 14:09 jcamins (off the top of your head) 14:09 wizzyrea i'm so confused. 14:09 wizzyrea kw? 14:09 jcamins I meant the numeric one. 14:09 jcamins 1012, something like that? 14:09 wizzyrea oh, no 14:10 * jcamins is checking. 14:10 jcamins 1016 14:12 pastebot "nengard" at 98.114.30.184 pasted "report help needed - anyone around that can help me out with this one?" (47 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/371 14:14 slef I mailed gmcharlt about huginn 14:14 slef not opened that mailbox since 14:14 slef I guess that's my next job 14:15 slef Culiforge: I don't think you want -c for an xml config 14:15 slef Culiforge: can you try the zebra start up script from koha's bin folder? 14:16 slef Culiforge: koha-zebra-ctl.sh 14:16 slef Culiforge: you may need to "yum install daemon" or something like that to make it work. 14:17 slef Culiforge: and if you have ever successfully run zebrasrv as root, permissions will be screwed up with 95% probability, sorry 14:17 slef Culiforge: unless you're running all of koha as root which sounds like a Really Bad Idea to me. 14:18 jcamins Terrible idea. 14:19 jcamins Another terrible idea is running master in production. 14:19 jcamins libsysguy: oh, hey, I didn't see you there! 14:19 libsysguy heh 14:19 libsysguy he its not so bad 14:20 libsysguy think of all the cool new stuff you get 14:20 libsysguy :p 14:20 wizzyrea cool *partly broken* stuff. 14:20 slef jcamins: aw shush customers like the dual functions of latest cool features and firey death! 14:20 wizzyrea >.> 14:20 wizzyrea <.< 14:20 * wizzyrea gave up her hat of fiery death 14:20 slef is the RMaint keeping 3.8.x stable with swift bugfixes? 14:20 Culiforge slef: tried it with the conf file same result... I'll follow your suggestions and see what comes up 14:21 wizzyrea if we can get some through farkin qa he would 14:21 slef Culiforge: can you hire someone who has Fedora experience? 14:21 wizzyrea plus paul is on vacation 14:21 jcamins slef: not as stable as 3.6. :) 14:21 slef paul != rmaint is he? 14:21 wizzyrea no, but often the workflow goes through master first 14:21 slef and I need 3.8 so I can probably do some QA 14:22 wizzyrea patch -> signoff -> qa -> master -> stable 14:22 slef bah Single Point Of Failure 14:22 wizzyrea slef: first patches specifically for 3.8 that I know of, are 3998 14:22 wizzyrea sorry, 7998 14:22 * oleonard is hoping to bust up master with some good stuff 14:22 libsysguy yayy cool stuff from oleonard 14:22 wizzyrea yay gmcharlt! 14:23 libsysguy don't break anything oleonard 14:23 wizzyrea no worries, no hurries gmcharlt - but huginn is broken and we miss him 14:23 * libsysguy gives oleonard the hairy eyeball 14:23 slef libsysguy: too late. oleonard already killed huginn 14:23 libsysguy oleonard!!! 14:23 wahanui oleonard is, like, still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer 14:23 slef libsysguy: in the library with the lead piping. 14:23 * oleonard gives libsysguy css and js libs outside of translated paths 14:23 * oleonard ..and jqueryUI 14:24 libsysguy w00t!! 14:24 * libsysguy loves some jqueryUI 14:24 gmcharlt @quote random 14:24 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #178: "jcamins: IIS kills kittens" (added by wizzyrea at 05:20 PM, January 10, 2012) 14:24 * gmcharlt blinks 14:24 libsysguy can I use the theme roller? 14:24 jcamins gmcharlt: it's true, isn't it? 14:24 gmcharlt jcamins: well, ys 14:25 wizzyrea @quote random 14:25 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #182: "rangi: chiclet makes me think all you could type on it is bridget jones diary novels" (added by wizzyrea at 07:35 PM, January 25, 2012) 14:26 * wizzyrea giggles that was a funny day 14:26 wizzyrea i'm really quite flummoxed by this perl problem on my laptop. 14:26 wizzyrea maybe I need to remove it altogether and reinstall. 14:26 slef wizzyrea: what one's that? looking at scrollback 14:26 slef wizzyrea: if you cut your finger, do you amputate it? 14:27 wizzyrea well, on my new ubuntu upgrade (from 11 to 12) @INC is looking for 5.14.2 but in /usr/local/share/perl only exists 5.12.4 14:27 wizzyrea it's bewildering 14:27 wizzyrea it depends really on how bad the cut is :P 14:28 slef wizzyrea: /usr/local/bin/perl -V ? 14:29 wizzyrea 5.14.2 14:31 wizzyrea and the paths all point to 5.14.2, but in /usr/local/lib/perl, as well as usr/local/share/perl, i only see 5.12.4 14:31 Culiforge quote: slef Culiforge: can you hire someone who has Fedora experience? well.. the netadmin wanted me to use fedora because that's what the school district uses... He offered to assist but it takes 3 days to get a response from him.... 14:32 wizzyrea oh boy. 14:32 Culiforge yeah 14:32 wizzyrea install virtualbox on your fedora machine and run debian in that :P 14:32 oleonard Makes one wonder what the point is of going with his choice 14:32 * wizzyrea can play bofh too 14:33 slef oleonard: maybe he has monitoring and updates set up for fedora servers. But I doubt it. 14:33 Culiforge 'cause he believes rpmtools and redhat is the way to do it 14:33 wizzyrea i used to use redhat and fedora - but it makes no sense compared to debian. 14:33 wizzyrea imo 14:33 slef That's his choice and I respect his freedom to choose, but his freedom to swing his arm stops when it is infringing my face. 14:34 slef ;) 14:34 wizzyrea well and before that I used the garden of razorblades that is OpenBSD. 14:34 Culiforge woot! 14:34 slef @quote add <wizzyrea> well and before that I used the garden of razorblades that is OpenBSD. 14:34 huginn slef: The operation succeeded. Quote #202 added. 14:34 slef wizzyrea: Swiss Army Chainsaw, huh? 14:34 wizzyrea ow my leg. 14:35 slef :) 14:35 wizzyrea :D 14:35 slef arrrgh 17/30ths of the way through time and 0% of mail completed... biab 14:35 jcamins 17/30s? 14:36 Culiforge hopefully the NAT will be set up before the end of the school year so I can bang my head on this project from home 14:44 kf @quote random 14:44 huginn kf: Quote #148: "<oleonard> sekjal wants EVERYTHING in a matrix! <sekjal> I'm like the Anti-Neo" (added by wizzyrea at 05:11 PM, August 25, 2011) 14:45 kf lol 14:46 hdl sekjal's name is neo 14:46 wizzyrea hehe that's a great one 14:54 wizzyrea @quote random 14:54 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #193: "<libsysguy> I don't always reterminate....but when I do the terminator is near a stud // * wizzyrea considers if this is a real statement or something to do with the movie." (added by slef at 02:56 PM, March 22, 2012) 15:06 edveal Does anyone know if the users home library is or can be passed via SIP? 15:07 wizzyrea the first question? 15:07 wahanui somebody said the first question was "What are you trying to do?" or or what is the goal? 15:08 * oleonard is linting json 15:08 * wizzyrea imagines oleonard with a sticky tape roller, going after his computer 15:09 oleonard Speaking of which, maybe today is the day I'll give my keyboard a bath. 15:09 jcamins wizzyrea: wouldn't that be *de*-linting? 15:09 wizzyrea true enough 15:11 * jcamins pictures oleonard with a large bag full of cat hair, throwing it on his computer. 15:20 kf bye all and nice weekend! 15:34 jcamins Why is it that every authority file other than LC's has useful information in it? 15:36 jcamins Seriously, every single one. 15:45 reiveune bye 15:48 chris_n QOTD: "Someone who says little things don't bother them has never tried to sleep in a room with one mosquito." 15:51 francharb see ya 15:51 oleonard chris_n: As my wife would say, "Someone who says little things don't bother them has never tried to sleep in a room with a man who hears one mosquito" 15:52 chris_n lol 15:52 jcamins lol 15:56 edveal I am using this to auto populate a password field. But I want to add .toUpperCase and am having no luck. Any use .toUpperCase? 15:56 edveal $(document).ready(function(){ 15:56 edveal $("#entryform #surname").blur(function(){ 15:56 edveal $("#entryform #password").val($("#entryform #surname").val()); 15:56 edveal }); 15:56 edveal }); 15:59 oleonard You're trying to convert the surname to uppercase when populating the password field? 16:01 jcamins oleonard++ # the save button that sticks to the header in the cataloging module is great 16:02 jcamins You know, it is my considered opinion that we should cache the usage statistics for authorities. 16:03 jcamins Specifically, we should use memoize_memcached. 16:03 jcamins That would be good. 16:03 cait hI :) 16:03 jcamins Or we should use Koha::Cache. 16:03 jcamins That would also be good. 16:03 jcamins I'm pretty flexible about the specfics. 16:04 cait I have no idea what this is about- but Koha::Cache yay 16:04 jcamins *specifics 16:04 jcamins cait: we should cache authority usage statistics. 16:05 cait hm 16:05 cait we should cache report results 16:05 cait like that nice patch from chris did 16:05 edveal oleonard yes that is it. The field is filled in Surname case and we want it to be all uppercase when it is moved to password. 16:05 jcamins That too. 16:05 cait that fell over the edge when they changed something.. :( 16:06 pastebot "oleonard" at 66.213.78.34 pasted "Try this in the Firebug console" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/372 16:06 oleonard edveal: ^^ 16:07 edveal Thanks that will help. 16:08 jwagner oleonard, shouldn't that third line be #surname instead of #firstname? 16:09 oleonard No, I just wanted to show the transformation in an obvious way since edveal wanted to put it in password where it will be masked 16:16 wizzyrea why exactly is the biblioitems.isbn field only size 30 16:17 jcamins wizzyrea: no idea. 16:17 wizzyrea i mean, that sucks if you're trying to report out ISBN's, you have to extract them from the marcxml if there are more than a couple in there 16:17 wizzyrea well 3, actually. 16:17 jcamins wizzyrea: why don't we normalize ISBNs? 16:18 jcamins I mean, their storage in the database. 16:18 cait don't know 16:18 wizzyrea don't ask me 16:18 cait why is edition not mapped by default? 16:20 jcamins cait: another mystery! 16:21 * cait nods 16:21 jcamins You know, I would really like an authority module that could directly interface with LCNAF/PND/etc. 16:22 jcamins Or VIAF. 16:22 * wizzyrea is critted by acronyms for 9999 16:22 * wizzyrea dies 16:22 jcamins lol 16:23 jcamins Library of Congress Name Authority File, Personennamendatei, Virtual International Authority File. 16:24 jcamins Great, viaf is dead. 16:24 cait jcamins: no more pnd 16:24 cait gnd now 16:25 cait also includes swd and gkd (corporates and topic(?) authorities) 16:25 cait gemeinsame normdatei I think 16:25 cait it's very cool :) and very new 16:26 jcamins cait: :) 16:27 jcamins You know what we need for this to work? 16:27 jcamins We need marcelr's SRU search stuff. 16:27 jcamins I need time to test it and sign off on it. 16:27 cait I tsted it 16:27 cait it worked beautifully 16:27 jcamins I know. 16:27 cait only problem was unimarc :( 16:28 jcamins But we could always do with more sign offs. 16:28 cait he talked about breaking it into smaller pieces 16:28 cait yep true 16:28 cait probably needs rebase now tho 16:28 jcamins Yeah, I know. :( 16:28 cait we changed the interface on that page 16:28 cait and I am sure also changed other things 16:28 cait but I absolutely want it 16:28 cait in koha 16:28 cait for 3.10 16:29 jcamins Yes. 16:29 cait and json for cached reports... 16:29 jcamins And a rewritten authorities module. 16:29 cait oh yes 16:29 jcamins Or mostly rewritten authorities module. 16:30 cait and semantikoha things in opac 16:30 cait and... hm. 16:30 jcamins I'd also love for chris_n to finish his new cataloging editor. 16:30 cait can I send a longer wish list? :) 16:30 cait oh yes 16:30 cait open bugs down to 300 16:30 cait where bus is bugs and not enhancements 16:30 jcamins Auto-suggest in the OPAC. 16:30 cait alphabetic register search... 16:30 cait ok... I know it's a libarian feature 16:30 cait but would be nice if it worked actually 16:30 jcamins Useful authority display in the OPAC. 16:31 cait that too 16:31 cait we should start a wish list :) 16:31 jcamins Are you worried we might not be able to think of things we want in the future? :P 16:32 cait hm no 16:32 cait actulaly.. no 16:32 jcamins Oh, BTW, cait, I talked about your union catalog at a Code4Lib meeting the other day. 16:33 cait oh you did? 16:33 jcamins Yup. 16:33 cait in which context? 16:33 cait and did you say something nice? :) 16:33 jcamins About the way you link out to wikipedia, and have useful authorities. 16:33 cait ah yes 16:34 jcamins Speaking of which, I just had an idea. 16:34 cait we could do the wikipedia links 16:34 cait it's open source I think 16:34 jcamins If we had more semantic classes in our XSLT output, we could do that easily. 16:35 cait I think it's based on this http://ws.gbv.de/seealso/ 16:35 jcamins Ummm... 16:35 jcamins Have you shown that to magnuse? 16:35 cait um no 16:35 cait I think I didn't think of it 16:36 * cait does it now 16:36 jcamins magnuse is a great guy, so I'm sure he'll forgive you. ;) 16:36 cait yeah, he really is a great guy 16:38 jcamins That SeeAlso is really cool, BTW. :) 16:38 cait it's from jakob voss 16:43 cait jcamins: what was your idea? 16:43 jcamins That was my idea. 16:43 jcamins That we could do that if we had better semantic classes. 16:44 cait oh right 16:44 oleonard This behavior of authorities autocomplete seems less than optimal: http://screencast.com/t/7x1co5JgQ 16:45 jcamins oleonard: it certainly does. 16:46 jcamins I guess I never tested selecting records with a see from. 16:46 * oleonard is re-doing YUI autocompletes in jqueryUI 16:46 jcamins Woohoo! 16:46 jcamins oleonard++ 16:49 oleonard From my very small sample it looks like such records could be chopped off after the "<br />": 16:49 oleonard 'summary' => 'Leonard, Arthur Gray, b. 1865<br /> 16:50 jcamins Yes. 16:50 cait oleonard: the whole display is build bad :( 16:50 * jcamins hopes it'll improve in 3.10. 16:50 cait it's building the html in .... a .pm 16:50 cait and 16:50 cait it contains untranslatable strings 16:51 cait as the see and see also come from... the .pm 16:51 jcamins I don't expect it will be 100% fixed, but at least it should be improved. 16:51 cait I wonder who did that and why why why... *sigh* 16:51 oleonard Of course, you right. 16:51 jcamins cait: *really*? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. 16:51 jcamins Wait, no it isn't. 16:51 cait yes, really 16:51 jcamins But it's up there. 16:51 cait I filed a bug 16:51 jcamins I believe you. That was more of a rhetorical question. 16:51 cait it's a insanely bad piece of code (in my eyes) 16:52 oleonard Oh boy, second spontaneous firefox crash of the day :P 16:52 cait because ... yeah. strictly against building html code in pm files containing strings 16:52 jcamins Everything about the record editors is insanely bad. 16:52 jcamins I'm strictly against building HTML code in anything other than templates. 16:52 cait dito 16:53 cait the item form thing does it too 16:53 cait and it's throwring warns 16:53 jcamins Oh LCNAF, how useless you are. 16:53 * cait went there to fix them once... but couldn't figure it out 16:54 jcamins Useless, do you hear me? Useless! 16:54 * chris_n blinks 16:55 cait hi chris_n 16:55 chris_n jcamins: I'll be squashing the qotd work down and attaching it to the bug this afternoon 16:55 chris_n heya cait 16:55 chris_n I did a bit more tweaking on the UI yesterday 16:55 chris_n did I mention I dislike UI work? ;-) 16:55 jcamins chris_n: I'll try and take a look later this afternoon. 17:01 oleonard $seeheading.= "<br /> <i>used for/see from:</i> ".$field->as_string(); 17:01 oleonard There it is. 17:02 jcamins Ummm... 17:02 jcamins Oh god my eyes my eyes 17:02 jcamins :) 17:02 jcamins Is there no way to stick that in the template? 17:04 oleonard Wow, and that's really old code too (relatively speaking) 17:04 chris_n ich 17:06 oleonard Pre-2006 at least 17:13 cait oleonard: it's evil 17:14 cait eeeevil 17:14 cait perhaps before you spent time on fixing the autocomplete... we should fix it 17:14 cait or someone fixes it .. and will break autocomplete again 17:16 * cait is only trying to get someone to fix it... *confessing* 17:18 jcamins :O 17:20 jcamins (that was shock that you'd do such a thing) 17:20 cait heh 17:21 cait it's on my list of things I want to look at.... but the list is long 17:21 cait so I wouldn't mind at all if someone else took care of it 17:21 cait there is also a nice bug filed for it already 17:21 jcamins \o/ 17:22 cait bug 7943 17:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7943 normal, P5 - low, ---, frederic, NEW , Untranslatable strings in OPAC's authority search 17:22 cait there is also the problem 17:22 cait that all authorities show up as default 17:22 cait in staff detail view and in opac auth result list at least 17:22 cait maybe in more places 17:23 cait brb restart :) 17:23 jcamins Looking at the code, that's actually intentional, but I don't think it should be. 17:31 cait re 17:32 jcamins mi 17:36 cait mi? 17:36 jcamins I thought we were singing. 17:36 cait :) 18:04 jcamins Have I mentioned recently how far behind LCNAF lags the rest of the world? The name authority file of Spain is a joy to behold. 18:10 oleonard jcamins: You can think of LCNAF as being like our schools, or our health care system. We make them just okay, but not too good because after that: socialism. 18:11 jcamins oleonard: lol 18:11 jcamins Thanks. 18:11 jcamins That clarifies a lot. 18:19 wizzyrea lol wow. 18:19 libsysguy i like that explanation 18:27 * oleonard thinks he has the authorities autocomplete working correctly with jQueryUI now. 18:27 jcamins Woohoo! 18:27 jcamins oleonard++ 18:27 oleonard One more instance in cataloguing\value_builder\unimarc_field_210c_bis.tt :| 18:32 oleonard This is a very odd script: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=cataloguing/ysearch.pl;h=77144e17315d14007e45d2fbe5fdc171b66f7128;hb=HEAD 18:32 jcamins oleonard: it is. 18:32 oleonard Why design a script to which you can pass a table for queries and then make it die if you pass the wrong table? 18:33 jcamins oleonard: I fear to speculate. 18:39 cait the name is weird too? 18:40 oleonard ? 18:40 cait ysearch 18:40 cait what is the y? 18:40 jcamins Yahoo. 18:40 cait oh 18:40 oleonard The first autocomplete script was called "ysearch" and each one after that has been named the same thing. 18:41 cait ok 18:41 cait hm 18:41 oleonard I wonder why this doesn't work: http://localhost:8888/cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/ysearch.pl?table=biblioitems&field=itemtype&query=CIRC 18:41 oleonard Looking at the script it seems like it ought to 18:45 jcamins oleonard: that is odd. 18:45 wizzyrea ! the new UI only works in en I guesS? 18:45 wizzyrea guess? 18:45 wizzyrea or is that part of your work getting them out of translated paths 18:45 oleonard Hunh? 18:45 wizzyrea nm, I answered my own questions. 18:46 jcamins wizzyrea: you need to rebuild your translations. 18:46 wizzyrea right, I follow now 18:46 * wizzyrea was accidentally in "en-nz" 18:46 wizzyrea "oops I tripped and landed in NZ" 18:46 * wizzyrea wishes 18:46 oleonard Oh no, Nutella isn't healthy?! http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/business/2012/04/nutella-after-suit-drops-health-claims/ 18:46 wizzyrea damn, it's not working 18:46 wizzyrea not healthy, tasty tho. 18:47 * oleonard knew Nutella wasn't healthy from the amount of shame he feels when spooning it from the jar into his mouth 18:48 chris_n don't tell my kids! 18:48 * wizzyrea laughs at you all 18:49 * oleonard doesn't suppose anyone has a UNIMARC demo lying around 18:49 wizzyrea biblibre does 18:49 wizzyrea I think it's running master, not sure tho 18:49 wizzyrea well 18:49 wizzyrea and the sandboxes 18:49 wahanui the sandboxes are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sandboxes 18:49 wizzyrea oleonard: use the sandboxes :P 18:50 wizzyrea (do try not to eat the sand though) 18:50 jcamins oleonard: lol 18:50 * wizzyrea had a "only when you have kids" statement to add to the file 18:51 wizzyrea "Don't put the silly putty in your underwear" 18:51 jcamins You know what would be nifty? 18:51 wizzyrea put it in your pocket! 18:51 * wizzyrea is afraid it has to do with silly putty and underwear 18:51 * wizzyrea is thusly afraid to ask 18:51 jcamins lol, no. 18:51 jcamins A bit of jQuery to insert a Google (or other) map of locations described in a record. 18:51 wizzyrea ok what would be nifty 18:52 wizzyrea yes, that would be nifty 18:52 jcamins If only the 751 had a unique class. 18:52 jcamins After I've finished making sure that I have 751s in all my records, maybe I'll do that. 18:55 chris_n ok, squashing time 18:57 wizzyrea well, here, if nutella is too bad for you, make it yourself: http://www.allthelivelongday.com/2012/04/homemade-hazelnut-spread.html 18:58 * oleonard isn't sure where he would find 200g of hazelnuts around here 18:58 wizzyrea I think we have them here in the bulk bin at the natural grocery 18:58 wizzyrea but i'm not totally certain about that 18:59 jcamins oleonard: I'd walk down the street. 18:59 jcamins To the store. 18:59 oleonard :P 18:59 * wizzyrea thought jcamins was going to say "and pick them up off of the sidewalk" 19:00 jcamins Heh. 19:00 jcamins No, though sometimes they do pour nuts on the sidewalk by accident. 19:00 wizzyrea not those kind of nuts. 19:02 wizzyrea *crickets* 19:09 jcamins Wait... 19:09 jcamins 751 doesn't even show up? 19:09 * jcamins had not noticed this before. 19:10 * oleonard confirms that this works: http://pro.test2.biblibre.com/cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/ysearch.pl?table=biblioitems&field=itemtype&query=d 19:10 jcamins Okay, there is only one thing for it. 19:10 jcamins We are embedding the MARCXML in the OPAC. 19:10 jcamins And by "we" I mean "me." 19:10 jcamins And by "embedding" I mean "providing an option to." 19:11 jcamins Is no one else offended by this? 19:11 jcamins (the absence of 751) 19:11 * oleonard is not smart enough to be offended 19:12 jcamins Sure you are. 19:12 jcamins It's easy. 19:12 jcamins Just repeat after me: 19:12 jcamins "Argh!" 19:12 jcamins Do it a few times and you'll feel nice and offended. 19:13 jcamins How does one embed MARCXML into a web page? 19:18 wizzyrea sekjal - bug 7998 plox and thank you 19:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7998 minor, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, Signed Off , 3.8 UI cleanup, tweaks to new styles 19:18 jcamins You're kidding me... XHTML doesn't really do namespaces? 19:18 * wizzyrea puts him to work 19:19 sekjal wizzyrea: on it 19:19 wizzyrea sekjal++ 19:20 jcamins Okay, fine, we'll slurp the data using opac-export.pl. 19:20 wizzyrea oh speaking of slurping. 19:20 * wizzyrea has to do an export 19:20 * jcamins mutters angrily about totally missing the point of XML. 19:21 jcamins Also, hi sekjal! 19:21 sekjal hi, jcamins 19:21 chris_n what language is git bz speaking when it borks thusly: Not an ancestor of HEAD, can't add bug URL to it 19:22 jcamins chris_n: no idea. 19:22 jcamins never seen anything like that. 19:22 chris_n so much for the easy route :-P 19:22 * oleonard is anxious to submit this patch but keeps finding rough edges 19:22 oleonard impatient! 19:24 sekjal wizzyrea: done 19:24 jcamins Does anyone know where to find the code for the nifty collection analytics that the highschool students at Catalyst's open source academy did? 19:24 * sekjal 's brain is mush today 19:25 jcamins Dark chocolate whole wheat zucchini brownies. 19:25 jcamins :) 19:26 wizzyrea <3 thanks sekjal 19:26 * chris_n spams patches@ 19:26 wizzyrea chris_n: did you not include the bug number? 19:27 wizzyrea git bz attach xxxx HEAD 19:27 chris_n no, the bug # is there 19:27 wizzyrea hm 19:27 jcamins Fwoomp! 19:27 chris_n but I did forget to put it in the patches to the list... arghhh 19:27 chris_n that stinks 19:27 chris_n only for the recipients, of course... 19:32 * chris_n looks for sign-offs on bug 7977 now 19:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7977 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, Needs Signoff , Add a "Quote-of-the-day" feature to the OPAC homepage 19:33 chris_n :-) 19:39 rangi @wunder nzwn 19:39 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (7:00 AM NZST on April 28, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Rising). 19:39 oleonard Happy Saturday rangi 19:40 rangi It's pouring here 19:40 jcamins rangi: oh, I'm glad you're here. 19:40 jcamins Did the open source academy students put their code for the collection analytics somewhere? 19:41 rangi It was all jQuery and reports 19:41 jcamins I'm interested in the jQuery. :) 19:41 rangi But it needs the reports webservices to be pushed 19:42 jcamins Wasn't that already pushed? 19:42 rangi Which stalled for some dumb reason 19:42 rangi Nope 19:42 * cait hmpfs 19:42 jcamins Hmph. 19:42 sekjal rangi: did I derail that in QA? 19:42 sekjal I don't recall 19:43 cait the discussion aorund: we don#t need a system preference for memcache derailed it I think 19:43 cait while I still would like that a lot 19:43 rangi Nope it depends on koha::cache which got blocked by ppl shifting the config of memcache into env variables 19:44 jcamins Ah. 19:44 rangi Which kinda sux for multiple sites 19:44 jcamins This explains why Koha::Cache vanished. 19:44 cait or everyone not having access to the env variables... 19:44 * sekjal reads the report... 19:44 rangi Yep 19:44 sekjal helps when you actually read things 19:45 jcamins Right, so in order for this to work, the patch for Koha::Cache needs to check the environment variable? 19:45 rangi Yep 19:45 jcamins And then... 19:45 rangi Well koha::cache::memcached anyway 19:46 rangi I want to write koha::cache::reddis too 19:46 mbalmer Koha zum Gruss! 19:46 rangi And even filecache 19:47 jcamins So the requisite steps are: 19:47 jcamins 1) Rebase. 19:47 jcamins 2) Have Koha::Cache::Memcached check the environment variable. 19:47 jcamins 3) ? 19:47 mbalmer mveron, ayt? 19:48 rangi Remove the syspref 19:48 cait *sigh* 19:48 mveron mbalmer: Yes, I am 19:48 jcamins Okay, is there a step 4? 19:48 rangi So hosted clients have to pay their vendor 19:49 rangi Thats the bit I hate 19:49 mbalmer mveron, I think I will mail a description of the printing thingie to devel@ tomorrow 19:49 mveron mbalmer: OK 19:50 chris_n rangi: so is there any real advantage to having this in envvars? 19:50 cait I think the reasoning was to cache the conf file 19:50 rangi Caching the config file 19:51 cait could we make other things depend on the syspref maybe? 19:51 cait so only caching the conf file would dpeend on the vars? 19:51 cait ok... perhaps talking nonsense 19:51 chris_n so its a trade off between ease of configuration and speed, right? 19:51 rangi Under persistance that benefit goes away 19:52 chris_n ahh 19:52 sekjal right now, the conf file is XML, parsed by XML::Simple 19:52 sekjal which sucks 19:52 chris_n will persistance be default with 3.10? 19:52 rangi Since in persistant env you read it only once 19:53 sekjal chris_n: I think that's a goal 19:53 chris_n so are we not better off to skip the envvar foo and make it a syspref? 19:53 jcamins I think I need to ground my chair. 19:54 * chris_n hands jcamins his electrician's gloves 19:55 jcamins Or I could just wear electrician gloves for typing. 19:57 jcamins mveron: don't mark a bug as fixed until the code fixing it is in master. 19:57 jcamins Mark it either a duplicate, or mark that it depends on the bug that fixes it. 19:59 rangi Hmm we need koha::branches 19:59 rangi Then the new branches plugin would be a lot better 19:59 jcamins What new branches plugin? 20:00 rangi I saw it the other day 20:00 mveron jcamins: OK, done, and thanks for advise, still learning :-) 20:00 rangi Getbranchname 20:00 jcamins :) 20:00 rangi So u can do it in the template 20:01 rangi Kyle did it 20:01 rangi It's still cool 20:01 jcamins :) 20:01 rangi But would be cool if didn't use c4 20:01 * sekjal would like to get multi-level branch groups working, so consortia can mimic their internal structures 20:02 rangi Yeah that would be cool 20:03 sekjal and wire that to circ rules so rules could be defined at upper levels of the hierarchy, and then 'trickle down' to all children 20:03 rangi My idea is $branch=koha::branch->new($code) 20:03 sekjal or be overridden by branch-specific exceptions 20:03 rangi If no code its an empty object 20:04 rangi If code is valid, you now have accessors to all its values 20:04 rangi Can change one then run 20:05 rangi $branch->update 20:05 rangi Writing code on my phone sux 20:05 rangi I hope my laptop arrives soon 20:05 jcamins rangi: you're coding on your phone? 20:06 rangi I gave up 20:06 jcamins Understandable. 20:06 wahanui rumour has it Understandable. is why i was running it against a local copy 20:07 jcamins The time has come to map stuff. 20:07 wizzyrea forget understandable 20:07 rangi $branch->parent 20:07 rangi And child 20:07 wizzyrea forget understandable. 20:08 wizzyrea wahanui: forget Understandable. 20:08 wahanui wizzyrea, I didn't have anything matching understandable 20:08 rangi For sekjal 20:08 * wizzyrea gives up 20:08 sekjal rangi: cool 20:08 jcamins Bah. 20:09 jcamins Now to use jQuery to retrieve an XML document and locate a particular piece of data in it. 20:11 rangi Hmm can a branch have multiple parents? 20:12 jcamins Wow, jQuery makes handling DOM really easy, doesn't it? 20:12 rangi Yep 20:13 sekjal rangi: depends on the data structure we want to enforce 20:13 sekjal tree v. thesaurus 20:13 rangi Right 20:13 sekjal I lean towards tree 20:13 oleonard Have a good weekend everyone 20:13 * oleonard waves 20:13 rangi *nod* 20:13 cait bye oleonard 20:13 sekjal bye, oleonard 20:13 cait you too 20:13 rangi Cya 20:14 jcamins Now if only I could figure out how to specify that I want a 751 with a subfield 4 with the value pup. 20:14 jcamins Oh, cool. 20:14 jcamins :contains 20:16 cait publication place? 20:17 jcamins Yup. 20:17 jcamins Okay, this is a little tricky. 20:18 jcamins I have here an AJAXy thing. 20:18 jcamins I don't really know how to debug it. 20:43 * mveron Playing around with Firefox language settings regarding Bug 3754, has to shut down FF andChatZilla 20:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3754 critical, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, ASSIGNED , Language detection doesn't take really care of syspref 20:55 sekjal okay, time for rest. have a good weekend, #koha 21:06 edveal Anyone know if there is a way to turn the links off on the Koha self-check system? Apparently a user can click on the title link and it takes them to the opac and then they can log off the self-check system. 21:07 wizzyrea oughta be doable with jquery? 21:09 edveal You would think but can't get jquery to the selfcheck yet.. Someone has a patch to fix that though! :) 21:17 wizzyrea hehe yea i forgot about that :) 21:17 wizzyrea then you're down to modifying the templates 21:17 wizzyrea in my mind it's fixed :P 21:17 edveal That was my fear... Thanks! 21:18 edveal And it will be fixed! :) 21:18 jcamins Speaking o fixing things, I look forward to paul_p pushing your fixes. 21:18 jcamins *of 21:18 jcamins Also, does anyone have a teeny tiny icon of a map that's CC licensed? 21:19 wizzyrea i look forward to that too. 21:19 wizzyrea actually I'm not sure if the jquery on selfcheck ever made it through qa 21:19 jcamins Ah, perfect. 21:19 jcamins MP.png 21:20 jcamins :) 21:24 jcamins Okay... 21:24 jcamins Adding max length to the framework editor? 21:24 jcamins Terrible idea. 21:25 jcamins Now when you add a subfield, you can't change it in the editor and there's no indication why. 21:30 magnuse ouch! 21:30 magnuse g'night #koha! 21:46 wizzyrea @later tell sekjal bug 7953 ok now? 21:46 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. 21:49 wizzyrea also anyone who wants to sign off on that is certainly welcome. 21:52 mveron I wondered why I loose Staff client and Opac language selection between browser sessions. Found out, that the Cookie KohaOpacLanguage expires when the browser is closed. 21:52 mveron This behaviour is due to sub setlanguagecookie, whre no expiry date is given (-expires => '') 21:52 mveron Is this by design? If yes, what is the reason for? 21:52 jcamins Success! 21:53 jcamins :D 21:53 jcamins mveron: that seems like a bug. 21:54 mveron jcamins: I supposed so. Will file it. 21:56 jcamins mveron: if it is by design, someone will tell you so and close the bug. 21:57 mveron jcamins: ...or discuss it. If I select a language, I expect to find it back in the next session. The librarians in our group complained about. 21:57 jcamins How do you get mouseover text on an image? 21:57 jcamins mveron: yeah, I'm having a lot of trouble coming up with any explanation that makes that into a feature not a bug. 21:58 jcamins In fact, I feel like that might be a regression of a bug that was fixed before. 21:59 mveron jcamins: I found some bugs related to automatic language detection and one about insecure use of Cookie for language selection 22:00 mveron but I did not have the impression that expiry date is a security issue 22:08 jcamins jquery wiki? 22:08 jcamins jquery? 22:08 wahanui jquery is probably client side, so it doesn't have anything to do with the templating system 22:08 jcamins jquery library? 22:08 wahanui jquery library is found at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/JQuery_Library 22:14 jcamins Does anyone want to see something cool? 22:14 jcamins http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/JQuery_Library#Add_a_link_to_map_the_publisher.27s_location 22:16 jcamins ^^ that is cool 22:16 * jcamins adds a slightly less sophisticated map to his demo. 22:17 mveron Cool. Really. 22:18 jcamins Tolja. :) 22:24 jcamins [off] For an example: http://demo.cplibraries.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=38834 22:30 mveron Wow 22:35 jcamins I also started organizing the jQuery library somewhat. 22:35 jcamins It was getting unwieldy. 22:35 jcamins @later tell magnuse http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/JQuery_Library#Add_a_link_to_map_the_publisher.27s_location 22:35 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded. 22:39 * mveron Has to logout from all browser sessions to test solution for Bug 8019 22:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8019 major, P2, ---, veron, ASSIGNED , Preserve language choice between Browser sessions 23:04 jcamins mveron: what other useful enhanced content could be added to the OPAC? 23:05 mveron Preserve language choice? - Bug 8019 ready for signoff :-) 23:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8019 major, P2, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Preserve language choice between Browser sessions 23:06 mveron jcamins: I think there would be some possibilities with lists. 23:07 jcamins How do you mean? 23:08 mveron As far as I see they are displayed in the Drop down list only, would be nice to have a page where thy could be displayed in an organized way. 23:08 jcamins Ah. 23:08 jcamins That's not what I meant. 23:08 jcamins I meant like what I did with the mapping, and linking out to wikipedia. 23:08 mveron Ok, understood, you mean jQuery things? 23:09 jcamins Right. 23:09 * mveron Pondering... 23:10 chris_n jcamins: console.log(foo) is your friend 23:11 mveron Don't get it.... ? 23:11 jcamins chris_n: yeah, I got it working. 23:11 jcamins See my very cool demo. :) 23:12 mveron Ah, mistaked 23:12 chris_n jcamins: where? 23:13 chris_n mveron: sorry, that was directed @ jcamins jQuery :) 23:13 jcamins [off] http://demo.cplibraries.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=38834 23:15 chris_n jcamins: cool 23:16 chris_n maybe zoom in on the address? 23:16 jcamins chris_n: that'd be hard since it's not in the data. ;) 23:17 jcamins Right now I'm working on adding Wikipedia links for authors. 23:17 chris_n very nice work 23:18 jcamins I'm having some issues getting it to cooperate both for names with dates *and* names with... wait, names with dates? 23:18 mveron jcamins: Wikipedia - Good idea! 23:18 * jcamins ponders 23:18 jcamins That makes no sense at all. 23:18 jcamins Does it? 23:19 jcamins No, it doesn't. 23:20 jcamins PG just has invalid records. 23:20 chris_n PG? 23:20 wahanui rumour has it PG is not universally faster (try running Drupal on it, for example.) Also, MySQL wasn't chosen so much as happened due to critical mass 23:20 chris_n lol 23:20 jcamins Project Gutenberg. 23:22 mveron jcamins: Project Gutenberg would be nice as well 23:22 mveron Oh, very late now. Good night everybody! 23:29 jcamins chris_n: any suggestions for additional nifty links I can jQuery into existence? 23:30 chris_n internet archive? 23:30 chris_n google books 23:30 jcamins Ooh, yeah. 23:30 jcamins Actually, no need for jQuery there. 23:30 jcamins I could just use the Search for this title in. 23:30 jcamins Wait, don't we already have that? 23:31 chris_n we have an additional search iirc 23:31 chris_n on the item page 23:31 jcamins We have Google Scholar, not Google Books.