Time  Nick           Message
02:06 druthb         o/
03:45 vkm            hello good morning all
04:22 vkm            i am using Book(BK) for field 942$c than dividing it into three item type if there are 3 copy of the same book in field 952 as reference, Book, General but at the time of searching BOOK only in opac system gives result of all but when restricting with reference system gives only reference item please tell me why, is it may be bcz BOOK is comonly used in bibli
05:16 cait           hi #koha
05:57 vkm            hello all
06:02 vkm            i use 942c for material type (BOOK) and if there are many copy we divide it in Reference, Book bank, Books in field 952 type but at the time of searching Book only from opac it shows reference, book bank, books also but work well when selecting reference only
06:05 vkm            i want to also clarify that BOOK type is common in biblio
06:08 vkm            should i keep (BOOK) for only 942 and make separate for 952 fields instead of using code of 942c
06:25 francharb      good morning
06:28 cait           hi francharb :)
06:29 cait           @wunder Konstanz
06:29 huginn         cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 7.9°C (8:24 AM CEST on April 25, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady).
06:30 cait           hmmm
06:34 alex_a         bonjour
06:46 Oak            kia ora #koha
06:51 julian_m       hello
06:51 magnuse        kia ora #koha!
06:51 magnuse        @wunder boo
06:51 huginn         magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 4.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on April 25, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady).
06:56 magnuse        @wunder marseille
06:56 huginn         magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 12.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on April 25, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Rising).
06:56 magnuse        ooh
06:57 Oak            magnuse
07:00 magnuse        Oak
07:00 magnuse        :-)
07:08 esofiane       Hi everybody
07:15 kf             good morning #koha
07:15 magnuse        guten morgen kf
07:18 sophie_m       hi #koha
07:18 magnuse        bonjour sophie_m
07:18 sophie_m       hello magnuse
07:19 samuel         hello everybody!
07:20 magnuse        hiya samuel
07:23 rangi          evening
07:23 kf             evening rangi
07:27 magnuse        ata marie rangi
07:31 rangi          http://koha.maktabat-online.org/
07:34 magnuse        not quite up to date?
07:34 magnuse        but cool anyway
07:35 rangi          nope quite old, but yeah cool anyway :)
08:41 magnuse        can your ILS do this? http://vimeo.com/39461899
08:41 magnuse        ;-)
08:43 kf             oh - yeah that's a good video :)
09:03 Amit_Gupta     heya gaetan_B
09:03 wahanui        gaetan_B is probably looking at bug 7693
09:03 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7693 minor, P5 - low, ---, gaetan.boisson, Pushed to Master , clear screen button misaligned
09:03 Amit_Gupta     heya wahanui
09:05 kf             forget gaetan_B
09:05 wahanui        kf: I forgot gaetan_b
09:06 kf             gaetan_B works at Biblibre and did the nice new start page together with asaurat
09:06 kf             gaetan_B is working at Biblibre and did the nice new start page together with asaurat
09:06 kf             gaetan_B?
09:06 wahanui        gaetan_B is, like, working at Biblibre and did the nice new start page together with asaurat
09:06 gaetan_B       :)
09:07 * gaetan_B     is at an important meeting ;)
09:14 kf             oh?
09:14 kf             gaetan_B: asking for a raise? ;)
09:24 clrh           hello
09:25 kf             hi clrh and hdl :)
09:28 magnuse        bonjour!
10:03 Amit_Gupta     heya kf hdl :)
10:34 narcisgarcia   Hello all, I'm trying to install Koha in a Debian 6 server, and I have some doubt to ask.
10:35 narcisgarcia   I'm at this point:
10:35 narcisgarcia   http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.6_on_Debian_Squeeze#Quick_Start
10:36 narcisgarcia   And I don't find anywhere documented the variables DOMAIN, INTRAPORT, INTRAPREFIX, INTRASUFFIX.
10:37 narcisgarcia   - Can I specify "*" to accept any domain?
10:37 narcisgarcia   - What means the proposed value "-intra" for INTRASUFFIX?
10:38 narcisgarcia   My installation is to be used from internet and LAN.
10:43 narcisgarcia   Hello Oak
10:43 Oak            hello narcisgarcia
10:44 narcisgarcia   I'm trying to install Koha in a Debian 6 server, and I have some doubt to ask.
10:44 Oak            okay, i'll try to help
10:44 narcisgarcia   I'm at this point:
10:44 narcisgarcia   http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.6_on_Debian_Squeeze#Quick_Start
10:44 narcisgarcia   And I don't find anywhere documented the variables DOMAIN, INTRAPORT, INTRAPREFIX, INTRASUFFIX.
10:46 Oak            what do you get when you type http://localhost on your browser
10:47 narcisgarcia   "The requested URL / was not found on this server."
10:48 narcisgarcia   (is not localhost; another server)
10:48 Oak            is it a remote server?
10:48 narcisgarcia   Can help me some of the utilities which I see installed on /usr/sbin/ ?
10:49 narcisgarcia   Yes, I'm on my desktop making the installation on a remote web server.
10:49 Oak            on Internet or on a local neteork?
10:50 narcisgarcia   My installation is to be used from internet and LAN, but I'm now working on internet.
10:51 narcisgarcia   DOMAIN: Can I specify "*" to accept any domain?
10:52 Oak            sorry, I have never done that, and I am not sure how you are doing that... your server has an Internet IP? anyway, i hope someone might be able to help...
10:52 narcisgarcia   (this is a strange channel, with 45 silent users)
10:53 narcisgarcia   Yes, of course my server has a public IP and I can associate internet domain names to it.
10:53 narcisgarcia   Oak, thanks for the try.
10:54 narcisgarcia   Are you looking for other help?
10:56 Oak            what do you mean?
10:57 narcisgarcia   I understand that this is a Koha support channel. Do you need support?
10:58 Oak            are you a troll?
10:59 * Oak          goes for lunch
10:59 narcisgarcia   Am I wrong in some detail?
10:59 narcisgarcia   What come to do the 40+ users connected to this channel?
11:00 narcisgarcia   I'm trying to use a software and I came to a support resource advertised in the community web.
11:01 narcisgarcia   Simple.
11:02 narcisgarcia   Once seen that this IRC channel doesn't work, I'm going to try with a mailing list/forum.
11:02 liw            much of the Koha community is in the US (still asleep) or in NZ/Australia (going to sleep if not asleep already); Europeans are probalby having lunch right now, and that's why it's silent here
11:03 kf             liw++
11:03 liw            however, being pushy and aggressive when asking for advice from a community is often a good way to cause resentment in those who would help
11:03 narcisgarcia   Yes, I'm in Europe. But when I go to sleep I don't leave chat connections on, in the same way I don't leave a phone call open.
11:04 kf             narcisgarcia: it's different here
11:04 kf             a lotof people stay connected
11:04 kf             and a lot of people are at work too
11:04 narcisgarcia   Ok.
11:04 liw            my e-mail server accepts messages even when I am asleep; so does my irc client
11:05 kf             I think you are installing using hte packages, so perhaps this is of some help for you
11:05 kf             packages?
11:05 wahanui        it has been said that packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
11:05 narcisgarcia   The sense of a chat is the live talking.
11:05 narcisgarcia   Thanks.
11:05 narcisgarcia   Yes, I've used the repository documented in the wiki
11:06 narcisgarcia   deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main
11:06 magnuse        narcisgarcia: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commands_provided_by_the_Debian_packages
11:06 magnuse        that gives you an overview of what the koha-*commands do
11:06 narcisgarcia   A Koha instance is like an Apache site profile?
11:07 magnuse        yeah, similar
11:07 magnuse        you can have many instances on the same server
11:08 narcisgarcia   Then I need to remove default Apache profile, If I will not use any other service in the same server?
11:08 magnuse        disabling the default apache site is a good idea, yes
11:08 magnuse        if you are not using it for something else
11:08 narcisgarcia   This Debian server i installed only for Koha.
11:09 magnuse        do you have a domain name for the server that you are installing on?
11:09 magnuse        ok
11:10 narcisgarcia   Yes, I have an internet domain name, but Does koha allow to use different domains or subdomains?
11:10 magnuse        using subdomains is usually a good idea
11:10 magnuse        you can have koha.example.org
11:11 magnuse        the variables you asked about are for telling koha-create what you want the urls of the opac and the intranet to be
11:11 narcisgarcia   And koha1.example.org library.example.net ?
11:11 magnuse        you can have as many subdomains with koha on them as you want, yes
11:12 narcisgarcia   And can I allow any name (*)?
11:12 magnuse        no
11:12 magnuse        you have to give each instance a name, and that will corespond to a subdomain
11:12 magnuse        so lets say your domain is example.org
11:12 magnuse        you can then create an instance called koha1 and have that available as koha1.example.org
11:13 magnuse        to do that you have to set DOMAIN=".example.org"
11:13 narcisgarcia   If I specify DOMAIN=".net" then I can create an instance "example" for an URL http://example.net/" ?
11:13 magnuse        if you then create koha2, it will become koha2.example.org
11:13 magnuse        hm, i never tried that, but yes i think that should work
11:14 narcisgarcia   I need to create "koha2.example" to result in http://koha2.example.net/ , right?
11:14 magnuse        i think i would do it the first way
11:15 narcisgarcia   Then, the minimum domain expression is the top level (.net .org ...)
11:15 narcisgarcia   Ok.
11:16 magnuse        if you want one koha site at example.net and another at koha.example.net, i think you first need to set DOMAIN=".net" and create an instance "example", then set DOMAIN="example.net" and create an instance called "koha"
11:16 magnuse        now, koha has two interfaces
11:16 narcisgarcia   Then, in the "Quick Start" step of the wiki guide for 3.6, I better can avoid editing "/etc/koha/koha-sites.conf" and use  koha-create, right?
11:17 magnuse        as far as i rememeber, you have to create /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf
11:17 narcisgarcia   What implies "one interface" or "two interfaces" ? Will share the same database, or will be a "multisite" use of Koha (unrelated between)
11:17 narcisgarcia   ?
11:17 magnuse        no, each installation has two interfaces with the same database
11:17 magnuse        one interface for the public and one for the librarians
11:18 magnuse        what most people do is run the librarian interface on port 8080
11:18 magnuse        but you could also run it on e.g. koha1-admin.example.org
11:18 narcisgarcia   Ok, there is not a link like "librarian login" in the same public interface...
11:18 magnuse        INTRAPORT, INTRAPREFIX and INTRASUFFIX are for telling koha-create what you want it to be
11:19 magnuse        no, no link from the public interface to the librarian interface
11:19 narcisgarcia   Then, better I can make a public.example.net + librarians.example.net
11:20 narcisgarcia   And both will share the same file /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf ?
11:20 narcisgarcia   It's right for me to use only the port 80.
11:20 magnuse        not /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf, but /etc/koha/sites/yoursitename/koha-conf.xml
11:21 magnuse        there is a small problem there, though
11:21 narcisgarcia   in http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.6_on_Debian_Squeeze talks only about /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf
11:21 magnuse        you can't tell koha-create to create totally different subdomains
11:21 magnuse        for koha1 it can create koha1.example.org and e.g. koha1-admin.example.org
11:22 magnuse        but you can always tweak the apache site configuration afterwards
11:22 narcisgarcia   They are different same as my last example.
11:22 magnuse        if you want to change from koha1-admin.example.org to admin.example.org
11:23 magnuse        ah, i might have misread you
11:23 narcisgarcia   Oook, the INTRASUFFIX is to add a suffix to the subdomain word (?)
11:23 magnuse        yes!
11:23 narcisgarcia   Strange design in Koha.
11:23 magnuse        hehe
11:23 magnuse        you're wlcome to suggest improvements! :-)
11:24 liw            there's a Koha hackfest coming up in Edinburgh, June; improving the initial setup of stuff with the Debian packages would be a good thing to work on, perhaps
11:25 narcisgarcia   Improvement to suggest: replace current variables for: PUBLICPORT, PUBLICDOMAIN, ADMINPORT, ADMINDOMAIN.
11:25 mtj            narcisgarcia: these installation tools are not Koha - they are separate from Koha
11:25 narcisgarcia   OK.
11:25 magnuse        mtj: not sure i'd agree with that :-)
11:26 mtj            so, strange design in 3rd-party Koha installation tools... ;)
11:26 * liw          takes full blame for this :-)
11:26 magnuse        how are they 3-rd party?
11:26 narcisgarcia   As I understand until now, /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf is a template to be used by  koha-create, right?
11:26 magnuse        narcisgarcia: yup
11:27 mtj            magnuse: the install tools do not exist in the Koha git repo
11:27 magnuse        mtj: yes they do
11:27 narcisgarcia   Then I need first to setup /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf and after run koha-create anyway.
11:27 magnuse        yup
11:27 mtj            oops :) really?
11:28 magnuse        mtj: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=tree;f=debian/scripts;h=0cae3c8bb797b0242a10b63afe81ee53a40661a6;hb=HEAD
11:28 magnuse        moahaha ;-)
11:28 mtj            aah, i take that back then! :)
11:28 magnuse        ;-)
11:28 narcisgarcia   The INTRA* variables only refer to librarian interface and doesn't affect to public acces, right?
11:28 liw            is Koha packaged for any other distro than Debian? might be good to generalize those scripts if so
11:28 * magnuse      thinks liw deserves a ton of credit, not blame!
11:29 mtj            ok, now i shut up... :)
11:29 magnuse        narcisgarcia: correct
11:29 kf             liw: I don't think is is currently
11:29 magnuse        liw: rangi has some packages for ubuntu somewhere, but i think those are the only ones
11:29 narcisgarcia   I'm more happy now, thanks to magnuse. I will contribute to this part of the wiki.
11:29 magnuse        narcisgarcia++
11:31 narcisgarcia   One detail: If I create two instances, they share the database, but they are independent libraries with independent books?
11:32 magnuse        no, two instances have separate databases
11:32 kf             they are completely independent
11:32 magnuse        but you can have more then one library in one instance
11:32 narcisgarcia   Ok, It's only a possibility.
11:33 magnuse        kia ora nengard
11:33 nengard        goo morning
11:33 nengard        or
11:33 nengard        good morning
11:33 narcisgarcia   Setting INTRAPORT to X, will also the public interface use this port?
11:33 nengard        :)
11:33 magnuse        goo morning sounds fun too ;-)
11:33 narcisgarcia   nengard, good morning.
11:33 kf             narcisgarcia: no, only the intranet
11:33 kf             not the opac
11:34 narcisgarcia   The public interface always use the port 80?
11:34 magnuse        the public interface has to be on port 80
11:34 magnuse        narcisgarcia: yes
11:34 kf             you can enforce login for search with the configuraton, if you are worried about that
11:36 magnuse        Oak
11:37 narcisgarcia   Ok, comments added to:
11:37 narcisgarcia   http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.6_on_Debian_Squeeze#Quick_Start
11:38 magnuse        nice
11:42 narcisgarcia   Can I use a dot "." in INTRAPREFIX ? For example "admin." ?
11:43 Oak            magnuse
11:43 narcisgarcia   Then get (public) library.example.net and (librarians) admin.library.example.net
11:43 Oak            magnuse, can I make barcode appear on OPAC search result?
11:43 Oak            wait, found a result in google
11:44 mtj            narcisgarcia:  you can configure your koha urls to be as weird as you want them too
11:44 mtj            well, as weird as apache will allow them to be
11:44 magnuse        narcisgarcia: i think that should work yes
11:45 mtj            ... and on any ports you want too
11:45 magnuse        Oak: not sure
11:45 Oak            hmm
11:45 magnuse        well, i'm pretty sure you can't display the barcode
11:46 magnuse        unless yu use 3.8 and create images for the barcodes that you display with the new supper cool "local images" functionality
11:47 Oak            magnuse, http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Barcodes-in-OPAC-Display-td4983784.html
11:47 Oak            that was in Nov 14, 2011
11:47 Oak            it should have been in 3.6.4, no?
11:47 jcamins_away   Oak: that's only for logged-in users.
11:48 jcamins_away   Also, that's on the details page not the results page.
11:48 Oak            nah i know that one
11:48 Oak            the guy with the question was talking about what i want
11:49 magnuse        ah, why was i thinking barcode-as-image?
11:49 jcamins_away   magnuse: 'cause it's cool?
11:49 Oak            to display on opac results without logging in
11:49 magnuse        jcamins_away: yeah, probably
11:49 jcamins_away   Oak: yes, that can't be done.
11:49 Oak            why not?
11:49 Oak            i mean there must be some good reason?
11:49 jcamins_away   No one has cared enough to add it.
11:49 Oak            ah okay.
11:50 jcamins_away   No, there's no reason not to do it, it's just that no one has wanted it. ;)
11:50 magnuse        you could add it by editing the xslt for opac results, i guess?
11:50 jcamins_away   Yeah, that'd work.
11:50 jcamins_away   Well, sort of.
11:50 magnuse        or is the item info not available to that?
11:50 jcamins_away   Multiple items would make things really ugly.
11:50 magnuse        yup
11:50 jcamins_away   Item info is available.
11:50 magnuse        ok
11:50 mtj            Oak:  that feature has not been submitted to Koha yet
11:50 Oak            hmmm
11:51 jcamins_away   If OSS Labs submits their code, you should definitely test it and sign off if it works.
11:51 mtj            hmm, Savitra says Nucsoft has submitted a patch
11:52 Oak            well, I'm about to print barcodes on a sticker sheet, and was wondering how to paste them... i mean a staff member should be able to type the barcode into opac, see the book title, and copy number, and paste that barcode on the book.
11:52 vkm            hello all
11:52 Oak            by staff member i mean a data entry guy...
11:52 jcamins_away   Oak: why don't you have the staff member use the intranet?
11:52 Oak            who does not know Koha
11:52 mtj            ... but Savitra gives no bug number
11:53 jcamins_away   mtj: I have not seen anything like that submitted in the last few years.
11:53 Oak            jcamins_away, well yes i'll teach him how to find out the barcodes in intranet then. yes that's the only way.
11:53 jcamins_away   Oak: it's no harder than the OPAC.
11:53 Oak            i know
11:53 mtj            bug 6774
11:53 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6774 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, amit.gupta, Failed QA , Display barcode on OPAC detail page
11:54 Oak            search an item, click "Add/Edit Items", click "Edit" on each copy ...
11:54 jcamins_away   mtj: that's the details page, not the results page.
11:54 mtj            but is OPAC display page only - not search-results page
11:54 jcamins_away   Oak: no...
11:54 vkm            i am using 942 for type of book and separating in 952 in case of multi copy like reference reserve etc
11:55 mtj            jcamins_away:  yep :)
11:55 Oak            is their an easier way jcamins_away ? less steps?
11:55 jcamins_away   Oak: yes, just view the record in the intranet.
11:55 jcamins_away   Easy as pie.
11:55 vkm            but at the time of searching by limiting book only it shows all reserve reference
11:56 jcamins_away   There's a table with item information on the regular view in the intranet that lists all the barcodes.
11:56 vkm            but if i limit by reserve,reference it shows only that
11:57 Oak            jcamins_away, yes! awesome.
11:57 Oak            this will do.
11:57 jcamins_away   :)
11:58 magnuse        jcamins++
11:58 vkm            942 i am using in biblio record as a book only than separating in 952 like reference
11:59 Oak            jcamins++
11:59 vkm            book (BK) is used in 942 and 952 both
12:00 vkm            should i not use BK code in 952
12:02 vkm            i think book is commonly used for biblio record for material type so it is searching all reference, reserve etc when i limit by book
12:03 vkm            please reply i think the 942 item is commonly used for all the items in code 952 under one biblio record
12:05 vkm            so when i limit the search by 942 (BOOK) under which there are several type of books like reserve,reference in 952 so it shows like that
12:07 kf             vkm: 942 is only a default value, if your item-level_itypes system preference is set to specific item
12:07 kf             vk
12:07 kf             there are differnt ways to work with Koha, the system preference is crucial
12:07 kf             if you want to have different itemtypes for the items on one record
12:07 kf             set it to specific items and (almost) forget about 942
12:08 narcisgarcia   Oops, in the wiki talks about /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf but in the man page says /etc/koha/koha-site.conf (without the "s")
12:08 kf             if you see weird behaviour perhaps your system preference is set to the wrong value?
12:08 magnuse        narcisgarcia: looks like a typo
12:08 vkm            means 942c is not mandatory
12:08 narcisgarcia   And I see more variables: OPACPORT, OPACPREFIX, OPACSUFFIX, ZEBRA_MARC_FORMAT, ZEBRA_LANGUAGE
12:09 narcisgarcia   Which is the correct? With "s" or without?
12:09 magnuse        narcisgarcia: let me check
12:10 magnuse        narcisgarcia: /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf is correct
12:10 narcisgarcia   Ok, then the man page for koha-create is to be corrected.
12:10 narcisgarcia   Thanks.
12:11 magnuse        narcisgarcia: want to report a bug for it? http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/
12:11 vkm            at present what i am doing is i made 942c as books and in 952 i am assigning reference because material is related to book
12:12 Amit_Gupta     heya magnuse
12:13 magnuse        hi Amit_Gupta
12:14 narcisgarcia   magnuse, Does that installation of bugzilla publish the email addresses?
12:15 narcisgarcia   (for my previous bad experiences with that software)
12:15 magnuse        yeah, they do show up
12:15 francharb      hi all
12:15 francharb      i got a zebra questoin
12:15 magnuse        narcisgarcia: i can report the bug if you dn't want to
12:16 francharb      is it possible to create an index on a part of the leader?
12:16 francharb      (what a question!)
12:16 narcisgarcia   magnuse, thanks.
12:16 francharb      s/leader/biblio leader
12:17 vkm            please tell me 942 is mandatory
12:17 narcisgarcia   I've read that "marc21" is a fusion of MARC from USA and Canada, and allowing Unicode. "unimarc" is another revision used in Europe (Unicode?). And I suppose "nomarc" refers to don't use MARC standards, right?
12:18 vkm            field 942c in koha
12:18 francharb      narcisgarcia, nope
12:18 francharb      nomarc is for norway marc
12:19 narcisgarcia   It's for ZEBRA_MARC_FORMAT
12:19 narcisgarcia   Ok for the last one.
12:19 francharb      ;)
12:20 magnuse        narcisgarcia: it's noRmarc :-)
12:20 narcisgarcia   Aha, left the "r"
12:20 magnuse        Bug 8008
12:20 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8008 trivial, P5 - low, ---, magnus, NEW , Typo in man page for koha-create
12:21 narcisgarcia   Is MARC21 designed observing UNIMARC, is UNIMARC designed observing MARC21, or are independent forks?
12:22 vkm            please advice i have same 3 books have reference,reserve and general book how to enter it
12:23 vkm            i am using 942c for biblio record and dividing it in 952 as reference, reserve
12:24 vkm            but For general book i use same code as 942c
12:25 kf             narcisgarcia: where are you located?
12:26 narcisgarcia   In Spain
12:26 kf             narcisgarcia: if you want to use unimarc or marc21 will depend on that :)
12:26 kf             hmnot sure about spain
12:26 vkm            india
12:26 kf             unimarc is used in italy and in france I think, germany is using marc21
12:26 kf             vkm: I tried to explain it
12:26 narcisgarcia   I'm installing Koha for an international library network, and I need that supports a lot of different materials.
12:27 kf             vkm: if you use itemtypes on item level, it's not really important what you set in 942 - use the most common itemtype there
12:27 kf             narcisgarcia: there are differences in unimarc and marc21 but both support lots of different materials
12:27 narcisgarcia   I prefer to use the most flexible and wide used variant of MARC than using the local preferred.
12:28 kf             it depends really on which sources you want to use, for exampl library of congress will provide records in mARC21
12:28 kf             like the german national library
12:28 kf             I think perhaps use marc21 then
12:29 narcisgarcia   MARC21/UNIMARC variants affect to string encode or also to fields?
12:29 kf             no both are utf8
12:29 kf             if that was the queston
12:30 kf             I think marc21 should be right according to this: http://www.bne.es/en/Bibliotecarios/NormativaBNE/
12:30 dgl-library    Hi #koha
12:30 narcisgarcia   Then it's a field definition matter...
12:30 kf             ... the Biblioteca Nacional de España (National Library of Spain) has decided to adopt the MARC 21 format...
12:30 narcisgarcia   Hello dgl-library
12:30 kf             narcisgarcia: fields are different for both formats
12:30 kf             perhaps if you migrate data it's worth finding out what you get from the libraries
12:30 narcisgarcia   And in France... what do they use?
12:30 kf             UNIMARC
12:31 dgl-library    I've got a question about MARC frameworks… We're using the Quick framework, and I'd like to add a MARC field from the Default framework. But it has many subfields. Is there any easy way to import that MARC field into the Quick framework with all the subfields?
12:31 kf             but overall Ithink marc21 is more widely used... from what I know
12:31 narcisgarcia   Deustchland MARC21, France UNIMARC, España MARC21,... Europe mixed.
12:31 kf             dgl-library: no sorry, you can't copy fields over
12:31 kf             narcisgarcia: it's the way standards work it seems
12:31 kf             ...
12:32 vkm            where is the option to set item type in system preference
12:32 kf             dgl-library: have you tried the export options for frameworks? you can use spreadsheets for editing, that makes it a bit faster
12:32 tajoli         Or you can use SQL
12:32 dgl-library    kf: wow. so I have to do it step by step? it could take ……… uh, no, I didn't know about that
12:32 dgl-library    tajoli: another option!
12:32 wahanui        another option is to use the packages
12:32 kf             dgl-library: which verion of koha are you using?
12:32 kf             wahanui: not this time :)
12:32 wahanui        kf: excuse me?
12:33 vkm            ok i got kf
12:33 dgl-library    kf: the current stable release. (3.6.??)
12:33 dgl-library    3.06.04.000
12:33 tajoli         SQL is fast but you can do big mistakes
12:33 kf             dgl-library: only checking you have the feature - it's in there :)
12:34 kf             it was introduced with 3.6
12:34 dgl-library    kf: thanks, I'll give it a try, I think
12:34 dgl-library    One more question: Our staff client is working fine, but there is no OPAC. How do I turn it on?
12:35 vkm            dear kf item type is set to specific
12:35 magnuse        bug 8008 is a super-easy signoff, just saying :-)
12:35 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8008 trivial, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Fix typo in man page for koha-create
12:36 Oak            magnuse++
12:36 magnuse        yay!
12:36 vkm            already in system preference my question is i am using same item code BK in 942c and 952 also at tha same time under same record use REF for reference also
12:37 vkm            circulation fines are workinfg fine
12:37 narcisgarcia   All european countries around Spain use UNIMARC (France, Portugal, Italia). Probably I'll use MARC21 because of matching libraries in Spain and may be more wide used in the world (?)
12:38 vkm            but when i limit to search by BK Book item opac shows those record which is having REF only
12:38 slef           narcisgarcia: no, UK uses MARC21.
12:38 narcisgarcia   There is a lot of water between UK and ES.
12:39 slef           narcisgarcia: so what? We're still Europe.
12:39 narcisgarcia   (without floating libraries)
12:39 vkm            but i have used BK in all record in 942c
12:39 * slef         goes to lunch
12:39 dgl-library    kf: I really need to register with Bugzilla. Found a bug: Export to OpenDocument spreadsheet yields a zero-kb file.
12:40 dgl-library    kf: but the other formats worked fine.
12:40 narcisgarcia   Where I am, I can go on bycicle to a french library and return to spain the same morning.
12:40 dgl-library    kf: so thanks!
12:40 dgl-library    narcisgarcia: ¡presumido!
12:40 vkm            please tell me 942c is mandatory
12:40 narcisgarcia   dgl-library: no, it's because we are very near.
12:40 narcisgarcia   (and this makes to doubt about UNIMARC)
12:41 dgl-library    narcisgarcia: only joking
12:41 narcisgarcia   Of course...
12:41 slef           dgl-library: kf: does bugzilla not allow openID login yet? :(
12:42 slef           vkm: default item type 942$c is pretty much mandatory but imported records often omit it.
12:42 narcisgarcia   Going to lunch... have a nice day.
12:42 slef           narcisgarcia: yes, but not to Italy from any part of Spain.
12:43 dgl-library    narcisgarcia: lunch in which country today?
12:43 narcisgarcia   Well, to Italy I can go with own car in the same time.
12:43 vkm            if i have 3 copy of same book , reference, reserve, general book for issue now how to enter it
12:44 narcisgarcia   I'm going to lunch in the spanish time (near Italy, and seeing the same sea)
12:45 vkm            at present under one record i entered as in 942c BOOK than in 952 as Reference,reserve and again BOOK
12:45 narcisgarcia   As I said , I'll probably use MARC21, and probably in UK will use the Euro currency... he, he..
12:46 vkm            and if i have only one reference book than again i used 942c for book than in 952 used reference
12:52 pastebot       "nengard" at 98.114.30.184 pasted "need report help with a report we can run tho find out the average fine paid by anyone whose fines for the year were over $2" (19 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/361
12:53 dgl-library    kf: in the exported XML document, it only shows the MARC field, but not all the subfields
12:54 slef           bah lunch not ready
12:55 kf             dgl-library: hmm, I have not used the xml format yet, I work normally witht he open office format
12:55 slef           back to this funding bid
12:55 kf             dgl-library: then you get a spreadsheet with different pages for fields and subfields to edit
12:57 dgl-library    kf: the open office format exported a zero-kb (empty) document every time
12:58 dgl-library    kf: sorry! I just saw the other pages
12:58 kf             dgl-library: uh :( no idea what's wrong and can't test now - sorry :(
12:58 slef           dgl-library: check error logs
12:59 dgl-library    slef: my mistake, I didn't see, but the subfields are there.
12:59 dgl-library    slef: but about the ods format, you mean? I will check
13:00 vkm            please advice i have two books one for reference and another for circulation should i enter it in two different biblio or under one biblio
13:01 vkm            if under one biblio than what to enter in 942c field
13:01 dgl-library    slef: are the error logs in Log Viewer?
13:02 dgl-library    @backup
13:02 huginn         dgl-library: I suck
13:03 dgl-library    @database dump
13:03 huginn         dgl-library: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
13:03 magnuse        dgl-library: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Backing_up_Koha ?
13:04 dgl-library    magnuse: thanks! I was just reading and re-reading the table of contents of the manual and couldn't find that
13:04 slef           dgl-library: probably a file koha-error_log on the server in a var/log somewhere
13:05 kf             vkm: you will get no different answer - use one record and items with different itemtypes - ignore 942 or use the most often used itemtype there. it doesn't matter really
13:07 slef           vkm: one biblio with whatever you think will be most common in 942c and items with different 952y item types and item-level item types
13:08 vkm            i used BK Book comonly in 942 even the book is reference type so in searching it creates problem
13:09 vkm            but used 952 for various type to define
13:10 vkm            so when restricting the search by BOOK i got the record having reference only item
13:12 kf             vkm: what is your system preference for item-level_itype set to?
13:12 vkm            its item type
13:13 vkm            not biblio record
13:13 kf             then it's probably a bug
13:13 kf             in the search, using the itemtype from biblio level for search instead only checking 952
13:16 vkm            so i am using same type BOOK (BK) in 942c than 952 for different item its ok
13:18 vkm            only problem is when i will restrict the search by BOOK i will get result of those record which have BOOK in 942c but only reference at 952
13:19 vkm            it seems that Book is peeking from 942c where it is commonly used for all record
13:20 slef           vkm: I agree with kf. Sounds like a bug in the search. Report it to your support provider, or to http://bugs.koha-community.org
13:21 vkm            i will do some more research
13:31 schuster       I'm baaack....  Laughs maniaclly...  Generally that means I will have questions...  I just don't know what they are yet!
13:33 magnuse        well, we got answers, but we dont know what they are yet either :-)
13:33 libsysguy      quantum answers
13:34 libsysguy      but don't peek
13:34 libsysguy      or they'll forever be destroyed
14:05 * wizzyrea     waves
14:05 magnuse        o/
14:19 user           Hello all
14:19 slef           hell user
14:19 slef           hello user, even
14:19 narcisgarcia   Hello again
14:21 narcisgarcia   I'm completing the decisions about /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf and there is a variable which I want to know better.
14:21 narcisgarcia   ZEBRA_LANGUAGE, for which the man page says "Primary language for Zebra indexing. Possible values are 'en', 'fr' and 'nb'"
14:22 narcisgarcia   Does anybody know what implies this language selection?
14:22 narcisgarcia   Does matter if the titles registered will be in german, spanish, russian or else?
14:29 nengard        need report help with a report we can run tho find out the average fine paid by anyone whose fines for the year were over $2  at http://paste.koha-community.org/361
14:42 Oak            can someone see if this works: 111.68.99.243
14:43 wizzyrea       it's pretty poky
14:43 Oak            poky?
14:43 wizzyrea       and doesn't seem to be answering
14:43 wizzyrea       (slow)
14:43 Oak            hmm
14:43 Oak            thanks!
15:02 narcisgarcia   Does anybody know what implies the ZEBRA_LANGUAGE configuration?
15:04 kf             I think perhaps the language that is used for some of the settings - like sorting
15:04 magnuse        "Specifies primary language of records that will be indexed by Zebra."
15:04 kf             not sure about the right codes, I think htere is no specific setting for spanish
15:05 magnuse        in Makefile.PL the suggestions are en, fr and nb
15:06 magnuse        but i don't remember what it actually does...
15:07 magnuse        ah yes, i think it makes sure the zebra config files has the path to the right language here: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=tree;f=etc/zebradb/lang_defs
15:08 magnuse        or in oter words that the right sort-string-utf.chr is used
15:08 magnuse        narcisgarcia: it has to do with how "special characters" are mapped
15:08 magnuse        so choose the one that is most similar to spanish
15:08 magnuse        (i think en will probably be ok, though)
15:09 narcisgarcia   Most similar to Spanish is French, but lacks of ñ
15:10 narcisgarcia   I see that there are installed:
15:10 narcisgarcia   /etc/koha/zebradb/lang_defs/nb/sort-string-utf.chr
15:10 narcisgarcia   /etc/koha/zebradb/lang_defs/fr/sort-string-utf.chr
15:10 narcisgarcia   /etc/koha/zebradb/lang_defs/en/sort-string-utf.chr
15:10 narcisgarcia   Is it used at effect of sorting strings?
15:11 magnuse        looks like it :-)
15:11 narcisgarcia   May I create a file shuch as /etc/koha/zebradb/lang_defs/es/sort-string-utf.chr for spanish?
15:11 magnuse        worth a try :-)
15:12 narcisgarcia   But then, if in the same instance librarians catalogue french titles, english titles, and others, what happens?
15:12 magnuse        there are often some spanish people here, but i don't see any now - could ask them what they do
15:12 narcisgarcia   Which language is "nb" ?
15:12 magnuse        norwegian
15:12 wahanui        norwegian is, like, the only exception for the workaround bei F Somers
15:13 magnuse        wahanui: forget norwegian
15:13 wahanui        magnuse: I forgot norwegian
15:14 narcisgarcia   Well, I'm preparing an international (private) network of libraries, and there will be titles of a lot of countries and languages in the same database/instance.
15:14 magnuse        narcisgarcia: http://www.indexdata.com/zebra/doc/character-map-files.html
15:14 narcisgarcia   Thanks
15:14 magnuse        i think i would just use en then, but i can't say i know all the consequences
15:15 wizzyrea       lots of libraries have similar situations re: titles and such in foreign languages, and idk what exactly they do, but I am *sure* that *we* just use EN
15:16 narcisgarcia   English is the poorest character map. For spanish is better norwegian than english, but the best can be french.
15:17 narcisgarcia   There is no foreign language for me, because there is no language in the moon to index.
15:19 narcisgarcia   In Spain there are different languages: Castilian (known as spanish), Catalan, Euskara, Galician, Asturian, end some others. Not all of them have the same character set.
15:20 narcisgarcia   For example, Castilian has the "ñ" (HTML ñ), and Catalan has the "ç"
15:21 narcisgarcia   Most of the european languages (including french, spanish, catalan,..) include the english character set, but have more characters (æñç) and variants (àáâä)
15:21 magnuse        makes it that much more interesting
15:22 narcisgarcia   Then, selecting any other language than english is a better option, because all the english characters are ever supported.
15:22 magnuse        guess that's true, yes
15:24 narcisgarcia   If you have a library in London with 10,000 books catalogued, and you think that sometime can have 1 book in french, only for that book is better that you configure Zebra for French.
15:27 slef           æ is in English too but often transliterated
15:27 slef           ä too
15:27 slef           ë more common
15:31 narcisgarcia   I have a problem:
15:31 narcisgarcia   Have run:
15:31 narcisgarcia   sudo koha-create --use-db mydatabase myinstance
15:31 narcisgarcia   (previously created a database in MySQL)
15:32 narcisgarcia   and says:
15:32 narcisgarcia   cat: /etc/koha/passwd: File or directory doesn't exist
15:32 narcisgarcia   Enabling site mydatabase
15:32 narcisgarcia   Run '/etc/init.d/apache2 reload' to activate new configuration!
15:32 narcisgarcia   Restarting web server: apache2 ... waiting .
15:32 narcisgarcia   Starting Zebra server for bibliokoha
15:33 narcisgarcia   # And the web interface says:
15:33 narcisgarcia   Software error:
15:33 magnuse        i don't think there is a --use-db option? [--create-db|--request-db|--populate-db]
15:33 narcisgarcia   Unknown database 'koha_mydatabase' at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 730.
15:34 narcisgarcia   Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Auth.pm line 33.
15:34 narcisgarcia   BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Auth.pm line 33.
15:34 narcisgarcia   Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-main.pl line 22.
15:34 narcisgarcia   BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-main.pl line 22.
15:34 narcisgarcia   For help, please send mail to the webmaster ([no address given]), giving this error message and the time and date of the error.
15:34 magnuse        ah, sorry, my fault, there is such an option
15:35 narcisgarcia   I don't know from where must it take the webmaster address, and the username&password for MySQL.
15:35 narcisgarcia   (didn't ask for them)
15:35 wizzyrea       it gets the webmaster address from apache
15:36 narcisgarcia   The wiki guide doesn't talk about /etc/koha/passwd
15:36 magnuse        i think jcamins_away would know more about those options, if he were around
15:36 magnuse        see the commit message here: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commit;h=297d22459f670212624d22a0e48447799004935b
15:37 magnuse        narcisgarcia: looks like you should have put the username and password in /etc/koha/passwd
15:37 narcisgarcia   In which format?
15:37 magnuse        it's much easier to use --create-db...
15:38 magnuse        it's in man koha-create: "Pre-selected database credentials are read from this file, if it exists. The format for this file is instancename:username:passwd:database. Database is optional, but the other three are required if you want to use pre-determined database user credentials."
15:38 narcisgarcia   But --create-db will need a usr&pwd too.
15:38 magnuse        nope, it will create then for you
15:38 narcisgarcia   Ok, the man page.
15:38 magnuse        username based on the instance name and random password
15:40 narcisgarcia   Now I have run:
15:40 narcisgarcia   sudo  koha-remove myinstance
15:41 narcisgarcia   # And says:
15:41 narcisgarcia   Removing Koha instance --
15:41 narcisgarcia   ERROR 1396 (HY000) at line 1: Operation DROP USER failed for 'koha_--'@'%'
15:42 wizzyrea       because the user you're trying to remove doesn't exist maybe?
15:43 narcisgarcia   sudo  koha-list
15:43 narcisgarcia   mydatabase
15:43 narcisgarcia   $ sudo koha-remove mydatabase
15:44 narcisgarcia   Removing Koha instance --
15:44 narcisgarcia   ERROR 1396 (HY000) at line 1: Operation DROP USER failed for 'koha_--'@'%'
15:44 magnuse        yeah, that's tricky...
15:45 wizzyrea       the *user* you're trying to remove doesn't exist.
15:45 narcisgarcia   I'm thinking on delete the server and install a clean Debian and start again.
15:45 wizzyrea       or apt-get remove koha-common
15:45 wizzyrea       with the option to purge everything
15:46 wizzyrea       and reinstall koha-common fresh.
15:46 narcisgarcia   APT will purge instances data?
15:46 narcisgarcia   I'm afraid to find other several errors like this in the future...
15:47 wizzyrea       installing koha often requires a sense of adventure.
15:48 wizzyrea       packages?
15:48 wahanui        well, packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
15:49 narcisgarcia   I've used a fresh Debian Squeeze installation, and the pointed repository.
15:49 narcisgarcia   I've found other variants like LibLime and UNLP. Are they more stable?
15:49 wizzyrea       they don't have packages.
15:50 narcisgarcia   Yes, this is the reason for why I selected first the "community" flavour.
15:50 wizzyrea       we can't help you with the other flavors.
15:51 narcisgarcia   Well I'll do a new try (fresh installation again) to make a simple Koha setup.
15:52 narcisgarcia   Will I can do --create-db with an already existing MySQL empty database?
15:52 wizzyrea       sure
15:52 wizzyrea       just let koha do the work for you
15:54 narcisgarcia   And the syntax will be:
15:54 narcisgarcia   sudo koha-create --create-db myinstance
15:54 narcisgarcia   OR:
15:54 narcisgarcia   sudo koha-create --create-db mydatabase myinstance
15:54 narcisgarcia   ?
15:55 magnuse        sudo koha-create --create-db myinstance
15:56 magnuse        koha-create will decide the name of the database for you
15:56 narcisgarcia   This may be my additional mistake.
15:57 narcisgarcia   Well, I will create a database previously in MySQL, then I need Koha uses the existing database. Do will Koha select the database name fom /etc/koha/passwd ?
15:57 magnuse        i think that is how it is supposed to work, but i never tried it
15:58 magnuse        just use "sudo koha-create --create-db myinstance" and don't worry about creating the database yourself .-)
16:00 narcisgarcia   Now I've tried this:
16:00 narcisgarcia   (once created /etc/koha/passwd)
16:00 narcisgarcia   $ sudo koha-create --use-db myinstance
16:00 narcisgarcia   Enabling site myinstance.
16:01 narcisgarcia   Run '/etc/init.d/apache2 reload' to activate new configuration!
16:01 narcisgarcia   Restarting web server: apache2 ... waiting .
16:01 narcisgarcia   Starting Zebra server for myinstance
16:01 narcisgarcia   # No error.
16:01 magnuse        looks promising
16:01 narcisgarcia   Now I visit the admin web interface and:
16:01 narcisgarcia   "Welcome to the Koha Web Installer"
16:01 magnuse        yay!
16:01 wizzyrea       see, trust in koha.
16:02 narcisgarcia   But not trust in documentation!
16:02 wizzyrea       the docs say to do what we told you
16:02 narcisgarcia   Good for community Koha
16:02 narcisgarcia   But now I can't remove my previous instance
16:03 narcisgarcia   Now I have an instance called "myinstance" (working) and another called "mydatabase" (bad)
16:04 narcisgarcia   The username and password for the web installer, must be the same as for MySQL?
16:04 narcisgarcia   (/etc/koha/passwd)
16:05 magnuse        narcisgarcia: yup
16:05 narcisgarcia   "You are about to install Koha.
16:06 narcisgarcia   Please pick your language from the following list. If your language is not listed, please inform your systems administrator."
16:06 narcisgarcia   (only "en" to select)
16:06 wizzyrea       translations?
16:06 wizzyrea       translation?
16:06 wahanui        translation is done through the pref files
16:06 narcisgarcia   Does this affect only installation process, or also the future interface?
16:06 wizzyrea       not helpful, wahanui.
16:06 wahanui        wizzyrea: sorry...
16:06 slef           narcisgarcia: is there a step 1.2 in the INSTALL text file I think?
16:07 narcisgarcia   I was following http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.6_on_Debian_Squeeze
16:07 slef           oh well good luck to you
16:07 narcisgarcia   Bad begin?
16:08 wizzyrea       nope, it just doesn't cover translations
16:08 wizzyrea       kf - about?
16:08 slef           let me get the lines from the 3.8.0 INSTALL file
16:09 magnuse        how to add more languages should be added to http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
16:09 slef           1.2. Optional foreign language installation:
16:09 slef           If you would like more languages and not only English,
16:09 slef           cd misc/translator
16:09 slef           perl translate install fr-FR # or use your preferred language codes
16:10 wizzyrea       on a totally unrelated note: what do you all think of these minor changes?
16:10 wizzyrea       http://screencast.com/t/IJ8QRB0IHyRy
16:10 wizzyrea       to the 3.8 ui
16:10 slef           I suspect that's "cd /usr/share/koha/misc/translator" on the debian packaged system
16:10 slef           but I have not tested it
16:11 wizzyrea       (in 3.8 right now, those are white + ugly)
16:11 magnuse        narcisgarcia: you will need to do "cd /usr/share/koha/misc/translator/" then "perl translate install fr-FR" (replacing fr-FR with the language you want) before you proceed with the web installer
16:11 wizzyrea       magnuse++ slef++
16:11 narcisgarcia   Will this be useful for user interfaces?
16:11 wizzyrea       yes.
16:11 magnuse        yep, it will make the userinterfaces available inthe languages you choose to tinstall
16:11 slef           wizzyrea: white?
16:12 narcisgarcia   Then, I can repeat the perl command for each language I want to be available, right?
16:12 magnuse        yup
16:12 slef           narcisgarcia: or just list all the language codes on the line, I think
16:12 slef           perl translate install fr-FR en-GB ...
16:12 wizzyrea       the area behind "Edit" is white
16:12 narcisgarcia   Each user will can select its preferred language sharing the same instance with others, right?
16:12 wizzyrea       the area behind the upload button in white.
16:13 wizzyrea       nm.
16:13 slef           wizzyrea: And you want to make it blue? (I think?)
16:13 magnuse        narcisgarcia: yep
16:13 wizzyrea       yea
16:13 wizzyrea       to match the rest of the UI
16:13 narcisgarcia   Oh, good.
16:13 slef           wizzyrea: Do we use blue backgrounds anywhere else in koha?
16:13 wizzyrea       yes, everywhere in 3.8
16:13 slef           wizzyrea: And why do we have so many Edit links anyway?
16:13 * wizzyrea     wasn't going to go near that question
16:14 slef           oh why isn't my 3.8 blue?
16:14 wizzyrea       (but it's so you can edit each section independently)
16:14 wizzyrea       hm, not sure?
16:14 slef           Have I offended the colour gods?
16:14 narcisgarcia   $ cd /usr/share/koha/misc/translator/
16:14 wizzyrea       hehe
16:14 narcisgarcia   sudo perl translate install fr-FR
16:14 magnuse        slef: Ctrl-Shift+R?
16:14 narcisgarcia   Can't locate C4/Context.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at LangInstaller.pm line 23.
16:14 narcisgarcia   BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at LangInstaller.pm line 23.
16:14 narcisgarcia   Compilation failed in require at translate line 25.
16:14 narcisgarcia   BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at translate line 25.
16:14 wizzyrea       yea, it was one of the very last things to go into 3.8
16:15 magnuse        narcisgarcia: you need to set some variables, one moment
16:15 slef           hrm I'm probably stuck up a branch somewhere
16:15 magnuse        slef: just don't saw it off
16:15 slef           magnuse: huh? aieeee!
16:15 wizzyrea       actually, the way mine looks right now is because of the patches I've submitted on bug 7998
16:15 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7998 minor, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, Needs Signoff , 3.8 UI cleanup, tweaks to new styles
16:15 narcisgarcia   Oohh, documentation! (I'm slowly writing in the wiki what I'm learning now)
16:16 slef           narcisgarcia: at a guess: export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha
16:16 slef           narcisgarcia: then rerun the perl command
16:16 wizzyrea       (but all of that is documented in the install files already)
16:16 narcisgarcia   $ export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha
16:16 narcisgarcia   $ sudo perl translate install fr-FR
16:16 narcisgarcia   Can't locate C4/Context.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at LangInstaller.pm line 23.
16:16 narcisgarcia   BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at LangInstaller.pm line 23.
16:16 narcisgarcia   Compilation failed in require at translate line 25.
16:16 narcisgarcia   BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at translate line 25.
16:17 magnuse        narcisgarcia: i think this hould do it:
16:17 slef           bah, I'll stop guessing because I've not time to do this properly
16:17 magnuse        export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/; export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/<instancename>/koha-conf.xml
16:17 wizzyrea       you don't need to sudo
16:17 slef           replacing <instancename> with main or whatever
16:17 wizzyrea       at least I don't think.
16:17 narcisgarcia   Tried. Same error.
16:17 slef           wizzyrea: yes, you do, it's writing files in /usr (also evil bad and wrong)
16:18 wizzyrea       then the reason he's having trouble is because the environment isn't being carried over to the sudo.
16:18 slef           oh yeah
16:18 slef           sudo -e perl ...
16:18 slef           from memory
16:18 narcisgarcia   Ok, I can try in a root session
16:18 wizzyrea       you will need to rerun your exports as root before you try.
16:19 slef           sudo env PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/ KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/<instancename>/koha-conf.xml perl translate fr-FR
16:19 slef           that's "easiest"
16:19 narcisgarcia   $ sudo su
16:19 narcisgarcia   $ env PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/ KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/<instancename>/koha-conf.xml perl translate fr-FR
16:19 narcisgarcia   $ sudo perl translate install fr-FR
16:19 narcisgarcia   Works.
16:20 magnuse        hm, guess i never actually tried that either...
16:22 narcisgarcia   Where are listed the available languages to build?
16:23 magnuse        http://translate.koha-community.org/
16:24 jcamins_away   magnuse: what options?
16:24 narcisgarcia   And are they in some file or directory to automate the process repeating the perl command?
16:24 magnuse        jcamins_away: --use-db to koha-create, but i think we figured it out - or narcisgarcia did :-)
16:24 narcisgarcia   (I want to build all languages)
16:25 jcamins        Ah, yeah, those are some pretty great features. :)
16:25 jcamins        kyleh: around?
16:25 magnuse        according to "perldoc translate" you can just run "perl translate install" to build them all - but i never tried that!
16:25 kyleh          jcamins: indeed, what's up?
16:25 jcamins        I was wondering how you tested bug 7933.
16:25 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7933 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED WORKSFORME, Fields in marc display not the same
16:25 magnuse        jcamins: sure, must spring from the mind of a great wizzard :-)
16:26 narcisgarcia   Tried:
16:26 narcisgarcia   $ sudo env PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/ KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/biblio/koha-conf.xml perl translate install
16:26 narcisgarcia   But no reaction (no buld, no error)
16:26 magnuse        narcisgarcia: did it finnish?
16:27 narcisgarcia   No message. No delay.
16:27 magnuse        weird, maybe the doc is out od sunc with reality...
16:27 kyleh          jcamins: I looked at a record in labeled and plain view, and changed to the fast add framework and looked at it again. The second time it only showed the fields for the FA framework for both. Talked to nengard about it, and she said that the main point was that both should always show the same fields, and it appears to be doing so in master now.
16:28 magnuse        oh my, i gotta run! see y'all later!
16:29 jcamins        kyleh: cool. Plain view never obeyed the frameworks before.
16:29 narcisgarcia   Then, $ ls -1 /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/installer/data/mysql/
16:29 narcisgarcia   $ ls -1 /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/installer/data/mysql/
16:29 narcisgarcia   atomicupdate
16:29 wahanui        atomicupdate is anotherway to update the database, you just link the atomic update to the updatedatabase.pl at final merge.
16:29 narcisgarcia   backfill_statistics.pl
16:29 narcisgarcia   de-DE
16:29 narcisgarcia   en
16:29 narcisgarcia   es-ES
16:29 narcisgarcia   fr-FR
16:29 narcisgarcia   it-IT
16:29 narcisgarcia   kohastructure.sql
16:29 narcisgarcia   labels_upgrade.pl
16:29 narcisgarcia   nb-NO
16:29 narcisgarcia   patroncards_upgrade.pl
16:29 narcisgarcia   pl-PL
16:29 narcisgarcia   ru-RU
16:29 narcisgarcia   sample_only_param_tables.sql
16:29 jcamins        (I didn't try again, I was just wondering if there was some trick to make it work)
16:29 narcisgarcia   sysprefs.sql
16:29 wahanui        rumour has it sysprefs.sql is new for me lol
16:29 narcisgarcia   uk-UA
16:29 narcisgarcia   update22to30.pl
16:29 narcisgarcia   updatedatabase.pl
16:30 narcisgarcia   $ ls -1 /usr/share/koha/misc/translator/po/ | grep -ie "pref.po"
16:30 narcisgarcia   am-Ethi-pref.po
16:30 narcisgarcia   ar-Arab-pref.po
16:30 narcisgarcia   az-AZ-pref.po
16:30 narcisgarcia   ben-pref.po
16:30 narcisgarcia   bg-Cyrl-pref.po
16:31 narcisgarcia   ca-VA-pref.po
16:31 narcisgarcia   cs-CZ-pref.po
16:31 narcisgarcia   da-DK-pref.po
16:31 narcisgarcia   de-DE-pref.po
16:31 narcisgarcia   el-GR-pref.po
16:31 wizzyrea       uh, please stop doing that
16:31 narcisgarcia   en-GB-pref.po
16:31 narcisgarcia   en-NZ-pref.po
16:31 narcisgarcia   es-ES-pref.po
16:31 narcisgarcia   eu-pref.po
16:31 narcisgarcia   fa-Arab-pref.po
16:31 narcisgarcia   fi-FI-pref.po
16:31 narcisgarcia   fr-CA-pref.po
16:31 narcisgarcia   fr-FR-pref.po
16:31 narcisgarcia   gl-pref.po
16:31 narcisgarcia   he-Hebr-pref.po
16:31 wizzyrea       sorry, will explain when he comes back.
16:31 wizzyrea       hi
16:32 narcisgarcia   mr-pref.po
16:32 wizzyrea       sorry
16:32 narcisgarcia   ms-MY-pref.po
16:32 wizzyrea       no, please don't do that
16:32 narcisgarcia   nb-NO-pref.po
16:32 narcisgarcia   ne-NE-pref.po
16:32 narcisgarcia   pbr-pref.po
16:32 narcisgarcia   pl-PL-pref.po
16:32 narcisgarcia   prs-pref.po
16:32 narcisgarcia   pt-BR-pref.po
16:32 narcisgarcia   pt-PT-pref.po
16:32 narcisgarcia   ro-RO-pref.po
16:32 narcisgarcia   ru-RU-pref.po
16:32 narcisgarcia   sd-PK-pref.po
16:32 narcisgarcia   sk-SK-pref.po
16:32 narcisgarcia   sl-SI-pref.po
16:32 narcisgarcia   sq-AL-pref.po
16:32 narcisgarcia   sr-Cyrl-pref.po
16:32 narcisgarcia   sv-SE-pref.po
16:32 narcisgarcia   ta-LK-pref.po
16:32 narcisgarcia   tet-pref.po
16:32 narcisgarcia   th-THA-pref.po
16:32 wizzyrea       narcisgarcia: I'm going to have to ban you
16:32 narcisgarcia   tl-PH-pref.po
16:32 narcisgarcia   tr-TR-pref.po
16:32 narcisgarcia   uk-UA-pref.po
16:32 narcisgarcia   ur-Arab-pref.po
16:33 narcisgarcia   vi-VN-pref.po
16:33 narcisgarcia   zh-Hans-CN-pref.po
16:33 narcisgarcia   zh-Hans-TW-pref.po
16:33 narcisgarcia   I may have found the languages available: in /usr/share/koha/misc/translator/po/
16:33 narcisgarcia   Hey, was a mistake!
16:33 narcisgarcia   What happens now?
16:33 jcamins        narcisgarcia: DO NOT RUN ls again.
16:33 narcisgarcia   I'm sorry
16:33 wizzyrea       we have a tool for that :)
16:33 wizzyrea       paste.koha-community.org
16:33 jcamins        Okay, now we've caught you. :)
16:33 narcisgarcia   Ok, learnt.
16:33 wizzyrea       thanks :)
16:34 * wizzyrea     doesn't often at all exercise kick powers.
16:34 jcamins        I don't know much about translations, but I think maybe the problem is that you need to remove "env" from your command line.
16:34 wizzyrea       no, he has to have that to sudo install the translations
16:34 narcisgarcia   You have the kick button very easy to shot.
16:35 wizzyrea       we don't often have people ls -ing in channel ;)
16:35 jcamins        wizzyrea: I think sudo has a different way of specifying environment variables.
16:35 jcamins        I was tripped up by that.
16:35 narcisgarcia   I've tried with the fr-FR and works.
16:35 wizzyrea       right, he wants to install *all* of the translations.
16:35 wizzyrea       at once.
16:35 narcisgarcia   $ sudo env PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/ KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/biblio/koha-conf.xml perl translate install fr-FR
16:35 wizzyrea       do you happen to know how to do that?
16:35 wizzyrea       jcamins?
16:35 wahanui        jcamins is, like, an outstanding cook, well-traveled and brilliant, trying to think of a solution, or the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra
16:36 wizzyrea       keke
16:36 jcamins        Oh, sorry, didn't understand the problem.
16:36 * jcamins      was tripped up by env just the other day.
16:37 jcamins        translate -a is supposed to do it.
16:37 jcamins        translate -a install
16:37 wizzyrea       sudo env PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/ KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/biblio/koha-conf.xml perl translate -a install
16:37 wizzyrea       might do it
16:38 narcisgarcia   Langs="$(ls -1 /usr/share/koha/misc/translator/po/ | grep -ie "pref.po" | sed -e "s/-pref\.po//g")"
16:38 wizzyrea       or you can just try -a
16:38 narcisgarcia   Yes, yes, the las wizzyrea command works. All the languages are being translated.
16:39 wizzyrea       woo!
16:40 narcisgarcia   But I thing it's a break:
16:40 narcisgarcia   Copying /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/prog/en/js/tags.js...
16:40 narcisgarcia   The install seems to be successful.
16:40 narcisgarcia   Install templates 'intranet
16:40 narcisgarcia   From: /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/
16:40 narcisgarcia   To  : /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog/en-USACADEMIC
16:40 narcisgarcia   With: /usr/share/koha/misc/translator/po/en-USACADEMIC-i-staff-t-prog-v-3006000.po
16:40 narcisgarcia   Warning: Can't determine original templates' charset, defaulting to UTF-8
16:40 narcisgarcia   Warning: Charset Out defaulting to UTF-8
16:40 narcisgarcia   /usr/share/koha/misc/translator/po/en-USACADEMIC-i-staff-t-prog-v-3006000.po: El fitxer o directori no existeix
16:40 narcisgarcia   Koha directories hierarchy for en-USACADEMIC must be created first
16:40 wizzyrea       paste.koha-community.org
16:40 narcisgarcia   (El fitxer o directori no existeix = The file or directory doesn't exist)
16:41 narcisgarcia   For a too short text?
16:41 wizzyrea       yes please.
16:41 narcisgarcia   Ok.
16:41 jcamins        narcisgarcia: as a general rule, use paste.koha-community.org for anything more than one or two lines.
16:41 jcamins        Does it keep going after that error?
16:41 pastebot       "narcisgarcia" at 87.111.32.12 pasted "sudo env PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/ KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/biblio/koha-conf.xml perl translate -a install" (10 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/362
16:42 wizzyrea       plus so much easier to read  in paste
16:42 jcamins        Much, much easier.
16:42 narcisgarcia   After these lines, is ended.
16:43 * wizzyrea     wonders about the en-usacademic translation.
16:43 wizzyrea       did it do stuff before that?
16:43 jcamins        What on earth is USACADEMIC?
16:43 wizzyrea       one of the translations I'd reckon
16:43 kf             I don't think that exists really
16:43 wizzyrea       ^^ is probably the problem.
16:43 kf             and if it does it's probably outdated
16:43 jcamins        It's very outdated.
16:44 wizzyrea       it's not listed on translate.k-c.org
16:44 jcamins        That question was really "why on earth is there an en-USACADEMIC translation in the repository?
16:44 kf             I probably should know... but I don't know :)
16:45 jcamins        You know, someone should run translate -a and report bugs for everything that doesn't work.
16:45 wizzyrea       so does it stop installing translations after this one or ...
16:45 wizzyrea       bugs?
16:45 wahanui        bugs is found at http://bugs.koha-community.org. Please fix any bugs you find. :) or reporting them is helpful, too.
16:45 narcisgarcia   The follofing command may be better to know which languages are available and have not a break like this:
16:45 narcisgarcia   $ Langs="$(ls -1 /usr/share/koha/misc/translator/po/ | grep -ie "pref.po" | sed -e "s/-pref\.po//g")"
16:45 narcisgarcia   Then perform a command like:
16:45 wizzyrea       no, fixing the problem is better.
16:46 kf             I have not seen all
16:46 wizzyrea       but for your immediate problem, yes, that might be better.
16:46 kf             but could running the translation command as root be the problem?
16:46 narcisgarcia   $ for Current in $Langs ; do sudo env PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/ KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/biblio/koha-conf.xml perl translate install $Current ; done
16:46 kf             I never do that
16:46 kf             always as my koha user
16:46 kf             so the templates belong to my koha user... as all ohter files do
16:46 wizzyrea       I don't think so, for the packages it has to write in /usr/share/koha
16:46 jcamins        kf: not for package/standard installs.
16:46 kf             ah
16:47 kf             ok, never installed translations for the packages :)
16:47 kf             so I can go home now, right? :)
16:47 jcamins        I need to do a package with all the translations.
16:47 jcamins        kf: yes you may. :)
16:47 wizzyrea       yes, shoo.
16:47 kf             :)
16:48 jcamins        Okay, there's an issue with the Turkish translation.
16:58 narcisgarcia   I've documented site creation and language building in the wiki.
17:00 wizzyrea       ok thanks
17:00 wizzyrea       there's an entire manual available from www.koha-community.org
17:13 narcisgarcia   http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
17:18 jcamins        kyleh: I figured out the point of confusion. The issue isn't changing *frameworks*, it's changing the hidden value on a particular framework.
17:19 jcamins        When you change frameworks, all the fields not in a particular framework are summarily deleted, I think.
17:19 kyleh          jcamins: i see, go ahead and reopen the bug then, and I'll have a crack at it.
17:19 jcamins        kyleh: I did. :)
17:23 narcisgarcia   In the web site:
17:23 narcisgarcia   http://koha-community.org/documentation/
17:23 narcisgarcia   Laks of the translated manuals:
17:23 narcisgarcia   http://manual.koha-community.org/3.6/
17:24 jcamins        kyleh: it'll be a challenge to fix, I suspect.
17:24 kyleh          jcamins: I have the suspicion that you are right. only one way to find out...
17:27 cait           hi #koha
17:39 narcisgarcia   The installation web wizard asks for optional components, and I don't find any documentation about them.
17:41 cait           the documentation is on the page
17:41 cait           it's about the sample data?
17:44 narcisgarcia   Selecting Default Settings - MARC Frameworks: MARC21
17:45 narcisgarcia   Optional:
17:45 narcisgarcia   Selected matching rules for MARC 21 bibliographic records, including...
17:45 slef           trying to move across home... let's see if I crash...
17:45 narcisgarcia   'FA', a 'Fast Add' minimal MARC21 framework suitable for...
17:45 cait           slef: no crashing- we have a meeting!
17:45 cait           yep
17:45 cait           optional = not strictly needed by koha
17:45 cait           but someof those are nice to have
17:45 narcisgarcia   Simple MARC 21 bibliographic frameworks for...
17:46 narcisgarcia   But I may need it, and I want to know for example the implies of "matching rules"
17:47 narcisgarcia   And I don't want to select options that could complicate the administration or the use.
17:47 narcisgarcia   (without a special sense for us)
17:47 cait           i would get the sample rules
17:47 cait           they are good to see how things work
17:48 jcamins        narcisgarcia: if you want to understand what the system does, reading through the manual is a good idea.
17:48 cait           it's to match data together, like when you import data
17:49 narcisgarcia   Then, if I select matching rules for MARC21, we can import right the mentioned ISBN for example.
17:49 slef           cait: I survived!
17:49 cait           well done!
17:50 jcamins        narcisgarcia: you can make sure that you don't have duplicate records.
17:50 jcamins        That is all.
17:50 slef           (really should buy a new laptop battery)
17:50 cait           slef: and we have even some time left to negotiate who gets to wear the jasper head tonight
17:50 narcisgarcia   Ok, good for us that cannot duplicate ISBN records.
17:50 jcamins        cait: jester. :)
17:50 cait           oh
17:51 cait           right
17:51 cait           it looked kinda wrong...
17:52 jcamins        :)
17:53 cait           jcamins: are you at chester's today?
17:53 jcamins        cait: I am indeed.
17:53 jcamins        He came over to say hi briefly, but left a while ago.
17:53 cait           give im my greetings ;)
17:53 cait           ooh
17:54 jcamins        Apparently I'm boring today. :/
17:55 narcisgarcia   Ok, I selected everything except "Sample holidays" and the last US libraries.
17:56 slef           jasper is an orange cat, no?
17:56 slef           did my email to the main koha list about the meeting go out? I don't remember seeing it.
17:56 cait           you might want to leave out the libraries and borrowers - if you want to start configuring your own
17:56 jcamins        slef: You're thinking of Chester.
17:56 cait           hmmm
17:56 jcamins        Who is blue.
17:56 cait           I only saw you rmail to the volunteer's list I think
17:57 jcamins        slef: I wouldn't recommend wearing a cat on your head.
17:57 slef           damn I wonder what happened to the main list email. I'll look for it later?
17:57 slef           jcamins: scratchy but good!
17:58 cait           trend setting :)
17:59 cait           slef: have you heard from Brooke lately?
18:00 slef           cait: a little.
18:00 cait           ah ok
18:01 slef           ok, would anyone else like to chair the meeting? There are four topics as far as I know: Introductions, Roadmap to KohaCon12, Paper reviews, Next Meeting
18:01 cait           I tihnk I haven't seen her in a while
18:01 cait           if you tell me how, I can tr
18:01 cait           y
18:01 slef           no, not on IRC much. Seems busy.
18:01 jcamins        Busy?
18:01 jcamins        Huh.
18:02 jcamins        I was sure wahanui would have something to say about that.
18:02 slef           cait: watch me this time. You get it next week?
18:02 cait           i can do it
18:02 cait           only forget how to stat :)
18:02 slef           ok #startmeeting
18:02 wahanui        if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me
18:02 cait           #startmeeting
18:02 wahanui        if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me
18:02 cait           \startmeeting
18:02 cait           lol
18:02 thd            can we teach wahanui to chair meetings?
18:02 cait           ok, try again :)
18:02 slef           where's huginn?
18:02 wahanui        i heard huginn was a bot too veera, not a person
18:03 cait           hm
18:03 slef           [18:25]*** huginn (~supybot@www.librarypolice.com) has quit: Read error: Connection reset by peer
18:03 cait           gmcharlt? around?
18:03 slef           gmcharlt: help!
18:03 jcamins        gmcharlt: around?
18:03 cait           lol
18:03 thd            :0
18:04 jcamins        Or, as slef might put it...
18:04 slef           Galen Charlton            <-> Offline
18:04 jcamins        gmcharlt: oy! I want a word witchu!
18:04 slef           "bugger!"
18:04 * slef         switches TV shows
18:04 cait           ok
18:04 cait           no meetinbot
18:04 cait           we are lost!
18:04 slef           (the Fast Show, known in the US as Brilliant!)
18:05 * slef         looks at the wiki
18:05 slef           wahanui: bots?
18:05 wahanui        bots are listed at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars
18:05 narcisgarcia   Is there a downloadable version of the manuals?
18:05 thd            I think that meetings worked reasonably well in the past before any meeting bots.
18:06 slef           yeah but it's nice having the features. Oh well I'll give gmcharlt a log later and see if huginn can be force-fed
18:06 thd            :)
18:06 cait           yes
18:06 cait           let's pretend he is here
18:06 cait           will make it easier to generate minutes manually too
18:06 slef           wahanui: sysadmins?
18:06 wahanui        slef: i haven't a clue
18:06 thd            Automation is always nice, especially if it can be force fed.
18:06 slef           wahanui: sysadmins is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Website_Administration
18:06 wahanui        OK, slef.
18:07 cait           #topic volunteer's meeting - please introduce yourself with #info
18:07 thd            #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
18:07 cait           #topic introductions
18:07 wahanui        #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
18:07 slef           #info MJ Ray, software.coop, England
18:07 cait           #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
18:08 jwagner        #info Jane Wagner, Liblime/PTFS
18:08 narcisgarcia   I'm configuring  opaclanguagesdisplay (Allow  patrons to change the language they see on the OPAC) and I need to know who are "patrons"
18:08 cait           narcisgarcia: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Newbie_guide
18:09 cait           ok, first topic
18:09 cait           #topic Roadmap to KohaCon12
18:09 cait           slef, do you want to start and give us a short update?
18:09 slef           #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon12_Volunteers
18:09 slef           has updated amounts - thanks to the new sponsors.
18:10 slef           cait made a great start on a timetable for the hackfest on
18:10 slef           #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon12_Schedule
18:10 slef           which I've shamelessly stolen for the main conference too.
18:10 cait           you are welcome
18:11 cait           how are the finances? working out?
18:11 slef           There was a rush of papers on deadline day, so there are about a dozen needing review.
18:11 slef           it's still a bit close
18:11 slef           we'll mailshot sponsors as soon as volunteer time allows
18:12 slef           At the venue, I think we're making progress on signs, but more to do.
18:12 libsysguy      does this look good
18:12 libsysguy      delete biblio, biblioitem, item from biblio join biblioitem on biblio.biblionumber = biblioitem.biblionumber join items on biblio.biblionumber = items.biblionumber where biblionumber = ?
18:12 slef           On the fishing trip, I don't think we've had any interest.
18:13 narcisgarcia   Thanks
18:13 slef           Sadly mle_ is ill so I'm a bit limited.
18:13 thd            libsysguy: It would look better after the KohaCon 2012 meeting.
18:13 libsysguy      shoot didn't even see that
18:14 cait           slef: oh :(
18:14 * libsysguy    steps out
18:14 slef           I think we're at 40 registrations and I expect a flurry once we announce some talks.
18:14 cait           40 is good
18:14 slef           Anything else?
18:14 narcisgarcia   As I read in the spanish translation, as "branch" Koha refers to a physical library, right?
18:15 jcamins        narcisgarcia: there is a meeting going on right now. You should save your questions for after it's finished.
18:15 cait           #info about 40 registrations - awaiting flurry when program is announced
18:15 cait           slef: nothing from me
18:15 narcisgarcia   Ok.
18:15 thd            A few fish frolic more freely for now.
18:16 cait           moving on to next topic?
18:16 slef           ok
18:16 cait           #topic Paper review
18:16 slef           OK, there's a dozen or so papers waiting for review
18:17 slef           I'd like to paste each title and abstract here, and get opinions. Would that be OK?
18:17 cait           hm perhaps better paste?
18:17 cait           abstracts might be cut off
18:17 slef           I think my client will handle it
18:17 jcamins        cait: better to paste direct so it goes in the minutes?
18:17 cait           ok
18:18 * jcamins      doesn't know, that was a question.
18:18 cait           slef, start :)
18:18 jwagner        if huginn isn't here, we aren't getting auto minutes, right?  Pastebin link might be quicker
18:18 thd            What about posting them in some http accessible location?
18:18 cait           jwagner: we will try to create minutes
18:18 thd            jwagner++
18:19 cait           and there are always the normal irc logs
18:19 slef           it'll be easier for me to paste them here, but I'll do whatever
18:19 jwagner        I'd vote for pastebin -- easier to read
18:19 thd            Are the normal logs running?
18:19 slef           thd: yes, logbot is here
18:19 wahanui        i already had it that way, slef.
18:19 cait           thd: yes, that's logbot
18:20 slef           ok give me a mo to format these and copy to pastebin
18:20 thd            Yes, I see.  I had remembered how often logbot had disappeared or failed in the past.
18:22 cait           perhaps while slef pastes
18:22 cait           any ideas how to schedule them later on?
18:22 cait           grouping by topic? audience?
18:23 pastebot       "slef" at 82.132.242.225 pasted "KohaCon12 presentations for review" (269 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/363
18:23 jwagner        Is there one basic track, or simultaneous tracks?
18:23 slef           one track
18:23 cait           one track
18:23 thd            Do we assume that we have no need for concurrent presentations in different rooms?
18:23 thd            Exactly, what jwagner wrote.
18:24 slef           we don't have a venue that lends itself to that
18:24 slef           ok, for each paper:
18:24 slef           need to decide:
18:25 cait           and not enough papers I think
18:26 slef           A. Accept it? Y/N; B. Hi/Medium/Low priority? C. Changes to request, if any? D. Developer or Librarian audience?
18:26 slef           so first paper, 10 Data Migration Heuristics, what do you think?
18:28 cait           A: yes, B: medium C: no changes d: not sure, but think intended for libraries
18:28 slef           A. yes; B. Medium; C. No; D. mixed AFAICT
18:28 slef           any more or move on?
18:29 Oak            good night my hearties. almost midnight here.
18:29 jwagner        I'd say move on
18:29 slef           thd, jcamins?
18:30 jcamins        A: yes; B: Medium; C: no changes; D. librarians?
18:30 * jcamins      didn't realize he was supposed to be answering.
18:30 cait           I have a question about the next one right away
18:30 cait           is it the same or another speaker than:
18:30 cait           Implementation of Koha in Geo-Scientific Information Management 20mins pbosire med/lib
18:30 cait           ?
18:30 slef           jcamins: I'll take any reviews I can get and sort out disagreements later
18:30 slef           cait: checking...
18:30 thd            ['A', 'B'->'high', 'C'-> 'unknown' , 'D'->'both']
18:31 cait           thd: for data heuristics?
18:31 slef           cait: yes. There are multiple attendees from that place though, so not all geotech talks are him!
18:31 jwagner        Good catch, cait -- thought that looked familiar
18:31 cait           I think one is implementation, one is use
18:31 thd            $dataHeuristics = ['A'->'Y', 'B'->'high', 'C'-> 'unknown' , 'D'->'both']
18:31 cait           but if we want both, should schedule accordingly?
18:32 jwagner        If they're from the same site, maybe do a combined paper?
18:32 cait           it's a total of 45 minutes then + discussion
18:32 cait           we could request that perhaps
18:32 slef           ok, so reviews for $utilization?
18:32 jcamins        They seem to have four papers?
18:33 slef           jcamins: checking
18:33 cait           jcamins: what are the other 2?
18:33 jcamins        RECORDS CLERK
18:33 slef           jcamins: Implementation..., Utilization..., Records Clerk, Koha The Way to Go
18:33 thd            $geo-sci = ['A'->'Y', 'B'->'low', 'C'-> 'unknown' , 'D'->'unknown']
18:34 jcamins        And KOHA, THE WAY TO GO...
18:34 slef           and USING KOHA TO IMPROVE SERVICE DELIVERY...
18:34 cait           ok
18:34 cait           I think we should sort that out a bit
18:35 cait           4 presentations from the same place is a bit much?
18:35 jcamins        I think one combined talk would probably be best.
18:35 jcamins        Or two, if they have different audiences in mind.
18:35 jcamins        But there would by necessity be a lot of duplication.
18:35 slef           $geo-sci = [ A => Y, B => Low, C => "Combine with others from GDC", D => Librarians ];
18:35 cait           perhaps we could set a time frame and ask for a submission for that time?
18:35 thd            If there is a shortage of papers to fill the time, why would several papers from one party be a problem?
18:36 slef           also I've no idea what a PB-O-GDC licence is ;-)
18:36 cait           slef: wondered about that too!
18:36 cait           $geo-sci = [ A => Y, B => Low, C => "Combine with others from GDC", D => Librarians ];
18:36 cait           :)
18:36 jcamins        Peanut Butter Or GNU Documentation License.
18:36 jcamins        $geo-sci = [ A => Y, B => Low, C => "Combine with others from GDC", D => Librarians ];
18:36 slef           jcamins: Or or On?
18:37 jcamins        Oh.
18:37 jcamins        On.
18:37 jcamins        :)
18:37 jcamins        And it's GDC and GDL.
18:37 cait           sounds yummy
18:37 slef           $multiNationalSpecial ?
18:37 jcamins        Okay, no idea.
18:37 cait           $geo-sci = [ A => Y, B => high (serials), C => no, D => Librarians ];
18:37 cait           args
18:38 cait           $multinationalSpecial = [ A => Y, B => Low, C => "Combine with others from GDC", D => Librarians ];
18:38 cait           sorry
18:38 thd            Peanut butter license, yaay
18:38 cait           lol
18:38 slef           $multiNationalSpecial = [ A => Y, B => Hi, C => No, D => Librarians ];
18:38 cait           now I messed it up totally
18:38 slef           cait: vote early, vote often!
18:38 cait           last time: $multiNationalSpecial = [ A => Y, B => high (serials), C => no, D => Librarians ];
18:38 cait           that
18:39 jcamins        $multinationalSpecial = [ A => Y, B => medium-high, C => None, D => librarians ]
18:39 cait           thd? :)
18:40 slef           yeah come on thd, you started us all writing []s and so on...
18:40 thd            $multinationSpeial = ['A'->'Y', 'B'->'medium', 'C'-> 'unknown' , 'D'->'librarian']
18:40 slef           $kohaAndSRU ?
18:41 cait           $kohaAndSRU = [ A => Y, B => medium, C => no, D => mixed ];
18:41 slef           $kohaAndSRU = [ A => Y, B => medium, C => 'drop other ideas for now', D => developers ];
18:41 thd            $kohaAndSRU = ['A'->'Y', 'B'->'high', 'C'-> 'unknown' , 'D'->'both']
18:41 jcamins        $kohaAndSRU = [ 'A'=>Y, 'B'=>low, C=>emphasize practical applications, D=>mixed ]
18:41 slef           $improvedGovernance ?
18:41 cait           reading
18:42 slef           oh it's Bob Birchall I think... if that helps you remember kohacon10
18:42 cait           I do remember - happy memories
18:43 jcamins        improvedGovernance = [A=>Y, B=>high, C=>none, D=>everyone]
18:43 cait           $improvedGovernance = [ A => Y, B => high, C => no, D => everyone ];
18:43 slef           $improvedGovernance = [ A => Y, B => medium, C => probably-no, D => mixed ];
18:44 thd            $improvedGovernance = ['A'->'Y', 'B'->'high', 'C'-> 'unknown' , 'D'->'mixed']
18:44 slef           $implementationGeoSci ?
18:44 * cait         scrolls up
18:44 jcamins        $implementationGeoSci = [ A => Y, B => Low, C => "Combine with others from GDC", D => Librarians ];
18:44 cait           $implementationGeoSci = [ A => Y, B => Low, C => "Combine with others from GDC", D => Librarians ];
18:45 slef           $implementationGeoSci = [ A => Y, B => Medium, C => "Combine with others from GDC", D => Librarians ];
18:45 slef           I actually like the look of that. Long abstract for 20mins again though.
18:45 thd            $implementationGeoSci = ['A'=>'Y', 'B'=>'low', 'C'=> 'unknown' , 'D'=>'unknown']
18:45 slef           $KohaAndDrupal ?
18:45 thd            s/->/=>/g
18:46 slef           thd: ack, 298 lines changed
18:46 slef           $KohaAndDrupal = [ A=>Y, B=>low, C=>no, D=>mixed ];
18:46 cait           $KohaAndDrupal  = [ A => Y, B => high, C => "none", D => Librarians ];
18:46 slef           teehee
18:46 cait           hehe
18:46 cait           does it get to be medium now? :)
18:47 jcamins        $KohaAndDrupal = [A=>Y,B=>medium,C=>none,D=>both]
18:47 slef           I think it's boring to people who don't use drupal, but we'll see what others think.
18:47 thd            $KohaAndDrupal = ['A'=>'Y', 'B'=>'medium', 'C'=> 'unknown' , 'D'=>'mixed']
18:47 slef           so medium it is?
18:48 cait           guess so :)
18:48 slef           $CommunityOrganisationAndSandboxes ?
18:49 cait           $CommunityOrganisationAndSandboxes = [A=>Y,B=>high (want librarians using sandboxes),C=>perhaps concentrate on sandboxes and patch workflow? other talks for community,D=>both]
18:49 thd            $CommunityOrganisationAndSandboxes = ['A'=>'Y', 'B'=>'high', 'C'=> 'unknown', 'D'=>'mixed']
18:50 slef           and I'm not going to vote on that one, sorry.
18:50 jcamins        $COaS = [A=>Y,B=>high,C=>more useful to focus on what non-developers can do?,D=>librarians]
18:50 slef           $Koha38New ?
18:50 thd            s/]/];/
18:52 cait           $Koha38New = [A=>Y,B=>medium-high ,C=>none,D=>librarians]
18:52 slef           $Koha38New = [A=>Y, B=> high, C=> no, D=> librarians ];
18:52 thd            s/\]/\];/ # previous caused syntax error
18:52 jcamins        $Koha38New=[A=>Y,B=>medium,C=>none,D=>both]
18:53 thd            $Koha38New = ['A'=>'Y', 'B'=>'high', 'C'=> 'no', 'D'=>'mixed']
18:53 slef           $styling ?
18:53 slef           $styling = [A=> Y, B=> high, C=> no, D=> librarians];
18:54 cait           $styling = = [A=>Y,B=>medium,C=>no,D=>librarians]
18:54 thd            $Koha38New = ['A'=>'Y', 'B'=>'low', 'C'=> 'no', 'D'=>'librarians'];
18:54 slef           thd: vote early, vote often!
18:55 jcamins        styling=[A=>Y,B=>medium,C=>no,D=>librarians]
18:55 slef           $recordsClerk ?
18:55 * thd          was still reading the description
18:55 jcamins        $recordsClerk = [ A => Y, B => Low, C => "Combine with others from GDC", D => Librarians ];
18:55 cait           wow again
18:56 cait           is that number 5?
18:56 slef           yep
18:56 chris_n        looks like it was a 'ctl-v' type morning
18:56 jcamins        This is four, because number five is later.
18:56 slef           chris_n?
18:56 wahanui        release maintainer for 3.2, 3.4, and 3.6. or late on 3.6.5
18:56 slef           wahanui: I KNOW THAT</kenneth-williams>
18:56 wahanui        slef: excuse me?
18:56 chris_n        slef: pasting in channel
18:56 thd            $recordsClerk = ['A'=>'Y', 'B'=>'medium', 'C'=> 'unknown', 'D'=>'mixed'];
18:56 jcamins        chris_n: oh, yeah.
18:57 cait           $recordsClerk = [ A => Y, B => Low, C => "PLZ combine with others from GDC ", D => Librarians ];
18:57 slef           $recordsClerk = [A=>Y, B=>low, C=>no, D=>librarians];
18:58 slef           $languageCentres ?
18:58 jcamins        languageCentres=[A-Y,B-medium,C-no,D-both?]
18:58 slef           $languageCentres = [A=>Y, B=>high, C=>no, D=>mixed];
18:59 cait           $languagecentres =  [ A => Y, B => medium-high, C => "noC", D => mixed ];
18:59 thd            $languageCentres = ['A'=>'Y', 'B'=>'medium', 'C'=> 'unknown', 'D'=>'mixed'];
18:59 slef           $wayToGo ?
19:00 jcamins        $wayToGo = [ A => Y, B => Low, C => "Combine with others from GDC", D => Librarians ];
19:00 mle_           ¬¬
19:00 cait           $wayToGo = [ A => Y, B => Low, C => "combine with others from GDC ", D => Librarians ];
19:01 thd            $wayToGo = ['A'=>'Y', 'B'=>'medium', 'C'=> 'unknown', 'D'=>'librarians'];
19:02 slef           $wayToGo = [A=>Y, B=>medium, C=>'unsure maybe combine with others from GDC', D=>librarians];
19:02 slef           $linkingRecords ?
19:03 thd            $linkingRecords = ['A'=>'Y', 'B'=>'high', 'C'=> 'unknown', 'D'=>'mixed'];
19:03 cait           $linkingRecords = [ A => Y, B => medium, C =>'none', D => Librarians ];
19:04 slef           $linkingRecords = [A=> Y, B=> medium, C=> no, D=> mixed];
19:04 * jcamins      recuses himself because he could not in good conscience vote for a paper by one of the people who might have proposed this, but would definitely vote for a paper by anyone else.
19:04 slef           now I wonder who it was by :)
19:04 slef           but this is why it's blind
19:05 slef           so vote if you like
19:05 slef           unless they're that scary
19:05 slef           $migrating ?
19:05 slef           $migrating = [ A=> Y, B=> high, C=> no, D=> librarians ];
19:05 jcamins        $migrating=[A-Y,B-medium-high,C-Try to avoid overlap with the first,D-librarians]
19:06 cait           $migrating=[A-Y,B-=>medium, C-Try to avoid overlap with the first,D-librarians]
19:06 slef           first being the 10 tips?
19:06 thd            $migrating = ['A'=>'Y', 'B'=>'high', 'C'=> 'unknown', 'D'=>'mixed'];
19:07 slef           $developingCountry ?
19:07 cait           slef: migration heuristics
19:07 jwagner        Sorry, I was pulled away on a problem, doesn't look like you need me, though....
19:07 slef           cait: yeah that one
19:07 wahanui        yeah that one is populated
19:07 slef           wahanui: swine!
19:07 wahanui        slef: huh?
19:07 jcamins        $developingCountries=[A-Y,B-high,C-none,D-both]
19:08 slef           $developingCountry = [A=> Y, B=> high, C=> no, D=> both];
19:08 cait           $developingCountry=[A-Y,B-high,C-none,D-both]
19:08 thd            $developingCountry = ['A'=>'Y', 'B'=>'high', 'C'=> 'no', 'D'=>'mixed'];
19:08 slef           $needMoreInfo ?
19:08 cait           yay!
19:08 cait           we agreed :)
19:09 slef           cait: I believe in miracles... and I think I'll stop there
19:09 cait           $needMoreInfo = [A-Y,B-high,C-none,D-librarians]
19:10 slef           $needMoreInfo = [ A=> Y, B=> high, C=> maybe-lengthen?, D=> librarians];
19:10 thd            $needMoreInfo = ['A'=>'Y', 'B'=>'high', 'C'=> 'unknown', 'D'=>'mixed'];
19:10 cait           $needMoreInfo = [ A=> Y, B=> high, C=> maybe-lengthen?, D=> librarians];
19:10 slef           $metadata ?
19:11 cait           reading
19:11 jcamins        $metadata=[A-Y,B-high,C-none,D-both?]
19:11 slef           $metadata = [ A=> Y, B=> medium, C=> source?, D=> developers? ];
19:12 thd            $metadata = ['A'=>'Y', 'B'=>'high', 'C'=> 'no', 'D'=>'mixed'];
19:12 cait           $metadata = [ A=> Y, B=> high C=> none, D=> both ];
19:12 slef           $makingKohaBetter ?
19:12 cait           slef: source?
19:12 wahanui        hmmm... source is published you should be able to see it
19:12 slef           cait: see wahanui
19:12 cait           wahanui: forget source
19:12 wahanui        cait: I forgot source
19:12 jcamins        cait: it should be provided.
19:13 cait           ??
19:13 cait           now I am even more confused
19:13 slef           awww he gives a correct answer and gets brainwashed
19:13 slef           poor wahanui!
19:13 cait           isn't that what happens in school too?
19:13 cait           cait?
19:13 wahanui        That's Ms. Cait to you! or in a very good mood today :)
19:13 cait           hm kf?
19:13 wahanui        well, kf is cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss or a holds expert.
19:13 jcamins        cait: they talk about scraping scripts, but it's unclear whether the source for the scripts will be shared.
19:14 cait           aah
19:14 slef           cait: I wonder how much source code is available. The scraping-to-z39.50 is particularly interesting.
19:14 slef           $makingKohaBetter ?
19:14 jcamins        I have no idea what this last one is about.
19:14 jcamins        (and I read the abstract)
19:14 cait           I have an idea who that is - so I guess it will be available
19:14 thd            $makingKohaBetter = ['A'=>'Y', 'B'=>'high', 'C'=> 'no', 'D'=>'mixed'];
19:15 cait           $makingKohaBetter =  [ A=> Y, B=> medium, C=> maybe shorten?, ask for better description?, D=> ? ];
19:15 slef           That'll teach me to rush the abstract through at the last minute! And I'm not going to vote on that one, sorry.
19:15 slef           ok, that's the queue processed
19:15 slef           I'll just look up who that linking records one is
19:16 slef           tajoli@cilea
19:16 slef           ok, fuller details will be uploaded to the web soon
19:16 slef           thanks for all your help in that marathon!
19:17 slef           any questions before we move to next and final topic?
19:17 thd            If there may be three presentations by one party, that party should probably not dominate on any one day.
19:18 jcamins        thd: even more so with five presentations by the same group!
19:18 thd            s/three/multiple/
19:18 cait           thd: I feel 5 from same organisation si really bit much - combining them would be good in my opinion
19:18 slef           I'll probably suggest a draft schedule to next meeting, if I can make time next Wednesday
19:19 thd            Technical presentations should not dominate any non-developer days.
19:19 cait           i will do the same for the hackfest if that's ok
19:19 cait           #action slef suggest a draft schedule for conf if he can make time
19:20 cait           #action cait suggest a hackfest schedule to be discussed - perhaps some variatons
19:20 thd            Non-librarian oriented technical discussions may not be the best idea as the first presentation of the day.
19:20 cait           I wonder if we should push the more technical ones on the 3rd day
19:20 slef           probably a slight bias to that, yes
19:21 cait           slef: what's your impression from the registrations - are people staying for both?
19:21 slef           but not exclusively... would like to encourage interaction between libs and devs
19:21 slef           cait: ooh let me look
19:21 thd            I agree with cait except as slef wrote "not exclusively".
19:22 cait           i can agree to that too :)
19:22 slef           more at both than not
19:22 slef           only one hackfest-only registration so far
19:22 cait           oh?
19:23 cait           mine?
19:23 wahanui        well, mine is very good at reminding me of druthb's place on the food chain.
19:23 cait           ah, hackfest only
19:23 cait           misread
19:23 slef           11 conference-only
19:23 slef           rest are dual
19:23 slef           which is what I'd expect before papers are announced
19:23 cait           i think probably the usual suspects so far? :)
19:24 cait           #topic Next Meeting
19:24 slef           no some names I don't recognise
19:24 slef           next meeting is next Wednesday, 18:00 UTC
19:24 thd            wahanui: Is druthb in your menu as edible?
19:24 cait           #info next meeting is next Wednesday, 18:00 UTC
19:25 cait           #endmeeting ?
19:25 cait           :)
19:25 slef           and the prize for most surprising statement of the meeting goes to thd!
19:25 slef           cait: yep
19:25 jcamins        lol
19:26 slef           thanks everyone... I may be back later if I can
19:26 wizzyrea       I can't even begin to understand that statement
19:26 cait           bye slef
19:27 narcisgarcia   Oh, I hope this meeting has been productive and pleasant.
19:27 jcamins        narcisgarcia: I don't know about pleasant, but we survived it. ;)
19:28 cait           jcamins: we had longer less productive irc meetings
19:28 cait           :)
19:28 jcamins        cait: true.
19:28 narcisgarcia   He, he. Would be less pleasant if you didn't survive.
19:28 jcamins        lol
19:28 jcamins        True.
19:28 narcisgarcia   Then it has been much productive.
19:28 narcisgarcia   It influences over pleasure.
19:30 narcisgarcia   I'm still configuring my new Koha installation, and, of course, I've waited for this moment to ask some...
19:30 narcisgarcia   We have two classifications for item tymes: support and format.
19:30 narcisgarcia   Support: paper, optical, tape, computer file, etc.
19:31 narcisgarcia   Format: text, audio, video, drawing, photo, etc.
19:31 narcisgarcia   Is it possible with Koha to have this separation?
19:31 jcamins        narcisgarcia: that's described in the 008 field if you're using MARC21, and a different field if you're using UNIMARC.
19:31 cait           what jcamins said
19:32 cait           it's coded into the bibliographic record
19:32 narcisgarcia   I selected MARC21.
19:32 jcamins        You'll want to read about whichever flavor of MARC you are using.
19:32 cait           and Koha will show it and generate nice icons
19:32 jcamins        Okay, you should read...
19:32 jcamins        http://www.loc.gov/marc/umb/
19:32 narcisgarcia   I was defining item types.
19:33 cait           itemtypes define circulation rules
19:33 jcamins        You can specify whichever item types you want.
19:33 cait           not really itemtypes
19:33 narcisgarcia   For the moment, I'm setting as item types only the Support.
19:33 cait           you should choose your itemtypes according to your circulatoin rules
19:33 cait           for example we are using variations of: normal, reference, short loan
19:33 narcisgarcia   In the Newbie guide says that this is a main configuration step.
19:34 cait           yes, bcause later your rules depend on it
19:34 cait           for circulation
19:34 cait           so that is important and worth some thoughts
19:34 cait           and it's normally causing confusion, because people think itemtypes mean it has to be books, cd, dvd... etc., but it hasn't
19:34 narcisgarcia   Circulation is referred to how the (books) move between libraries and personas?
19:34 cait           yes
19:35 cait           loan period, if there is a rental charge, how many renewals, ...
19:35 narcisgarcia   Well, for the moment the supports similarity is good for me.
19:36 wizzyrea       I think of it like itemtypes are "types of things" - book, dvd
19:36 narcisgarcia   What I cannot do is videoCD, videoDVD, videoTAPE, videoFILE, videoBLURAY, textPOSTER, textBOOK, textFILE, etc..
19:37 wizzyrea       collection code is more like genre
19:37 narcisgarcia   (because it could be an inifinite type list)
19:37 wizzyrea       right, I think you want to use a combination of item type and collection code
19:38 narcisgarcia   But then I'll need to find a classification for genres
19:38 cait           narcisgarcia: you can use all those differently
19:38 wizzyrea       so you don't really have two, you have 3
19:38 cait           I think the only important thing is: itemtypes are used for circulation rules, collectons and locations only for searching
19:38 wizzyrea       ^^
19:40 narcisgarcia   Ok.
19:44 narcisgarcia   Another question:
19:45 narcisgarcia   (Basic parameters) Libraries, branches, groups
19:45 narcisgarcia   Libraries, I understand as a physical building
19:45 wizzyrea       don't worry about groups
19:45 narcisgarcia   Groups, I understand as a name for more than one library near or related.
19:46 narcisgarcia   But branches I don't know and I don't find.
19:46 wizzyrea       it's only half implemented and mostly not working - we should tear it out.
19:46 wizzyrea       just think of branches the same way you think of libraries.
19:46 wizzyrea       and they are defined in the same way.
19:46 narcisgarcia   In the translation to spanish and french, branches doesn't exist.
19:46 narcisgarcia   I've already defined tho search groups: public and private.
19:47 cait           wizzyrea: I think the search groups actually work
19:48 cait           in advanced search you can search for more tan one branch that way
19:48 cait           like grouping libraries on one campus
19:48 cait           or in one city... region, whatever
19:48 wizzyrea       neat.
19:56 wizzyrea       chris_n: about?
19:57 narcisgarcia   PATRONS: I understand that are users categories, right?
19:58 narcisgarcia   Does this affect to user rights?
19:58 narcisgarcia   (or can?)
19:59 narcisgarcia   I this the place where we can classify anonymous users, autoregistered users, and affiliated users, for example?
20:00 chris_n        wizzyrea: here
20:00 chris_n        css time?
20:00 * chris_n      looks at bug 7998
20:00 wizzyrea       well yes :)
20:00 cait           narcisgarcia: normally it's more like students, teachers, adults, childs
20:00 wizzyrea       lol how did you know
20:01 wizzyrea       besides the obvious "you got email pertaining to the subject"
20:01 chris_n        wizzyrea: well... I was just pulling my hair out trying to adjust some css for my datatables when bz emailed me about that bug
20:01 chris_n        opps
20:01 narcisgarcia   We don't distinct in age of users.
20:01 wizzyrea       the distinctions are arbitrary and defined by you
20:01 chris_n        sorry for so boring an explanation :-)
20:02 narcisgarcia   And we have public libraries with also private area for private books.
20:02 chris_n        wizzyrea: I'll git bz it now
20:02 wizzyrea       I don't think I broke anything spectacularly.
20:03 narcisgarcia   I see the possibility to create patron types, but not patron categories. Are the same concept in Koha?
20:04 narcisgarcia   Sorry; I can create categories, not types.
20:04 chris_n        wizzyrea: one patch or more?
20:04 wizzyrea       only one now
20:04 chris_n        k
20:04 wizzyrea       I was working, and squashed them all together
20:05 chris_n        yeah, the purple was bit outlandish
20:05 chris_n        looks *very* nice now
20:05 wizzyrea       just a typo I think
20:05 narcisgarcia   Oh, I must leave.
20:05 narcisgarcia   Good bye.
20:05 wizzyrea       ah later :)
20:05 narcisgarcia   And thanks for all the help
20:05 wizzyrea       sure thing anytime
20:06 chris_n        wizzyrea: can we round the corners of the text field in the search bar?
20:06 * chris_n      does not want much... ;-)
20:06 wizzyrea       yes, probably :)
20:06 mveron         Good evening #koha
20:06 chris_n        rount++
20:06 chris_n        round++ #rather
20:07 chris_n        this really makes me want every page reworked... but switching to jQuery would allow us to use themeroller
20:09 wizzyrea       chris_n: see the followup I just attached to the bug
20:09 wizzyrea       for the round corners
20:09 mveron         Question about naming conventions (CamelCase) in Sysem Preferences: I see 'IntranetUserCSS' and 'intranetuserjs'. Should new prefs be CamelCased?
20:09 magnus_afk     themeroller++
20:09 * wizzyrea     is not familiar with themeroller
20:10 chris_n        wizzyrea: http://jqueryui.com/themeroller/
20:10 cait           mveron: I think more are camelcased than not - so I would perhaps go with that
20:10 chris_n        camelcased is probably more readable in this case
20:10 wizzyrea       ohh
20:10 wizzyrea       nice.
20:11 chris_n        wizzyrea: can I just git bz again?
20:11 wizzyrea       sure
20:11 chris_n        and get the other patch?
20:11 wizzyrea       yup it's on top of the first
20:12 chris_n        you must be a mind reader
20:12 chris_n        I was thinking the button would look good rounded as well
20:12 * chris_n      signs off
20:12 * wizzyrea     cheers
20:13 wizzyrea       the header may still wrap with long translations :/
20:13 wizzyrea       but we can make it bigger if necessary
20:13 wizzyrea       feel free to squash those
20:13 wizzyrea       if you want
20:14 wizzyrea       my personal favorite part of this patch is the blue toolbar and the blue menu divs
20:14 wizzyrea       it looks snappy. :)
20:16 cait           screenshots? :)
20:16 wizzyrea       :)
20:16 wizzyrea       sec
20:17 chris_n        do, done, did
20:17 wizzyrea       http://screencast.com/t/ew8Qw761ne
20:18 wizzyrea       http://screencast.com/t/YJUM04jksOZ
20:18 wizzyrea       (do note I didn't fix *everything* there that I might like to)
20:19 chris_n        why did I read 'Acevedo' as 'Avocado'?
20:19 * wizzyrea     giggles
20:19 * chris_n      likes to see all of the bz tabs open in wizzyrea's browser
20:22 chris_n        shall I sign off on the third as well?
20:22 cait           nice :)
20:23 wizzyrea       sure - I suspect that I'll have another omnibus here in a bit
20:23 wizzyrea       i found some places that need borders that don't have them.
20:23 wizzyrea       http://screencast.com/t/iYPipiX0vVz
20:23 wizzyrea       there cait, that's for you :)
20:23 cait           oh :)
20:23 cait           wizzyrea++ :)
20:23 wizzyrea       the others were too
20:26 chris_n        k, all signed off and squashed into one
20:26 wizzyrea       YAY
20:26 wizzyrea       ty :)
20:27 chris_n        themeroller would be nice because one can create one's own theme and apply it easily as well as sharing and maintaining an easy upgrade path
20:28 wizzyrea       yea for sure, that would be so nice.
20:28 chris_n        gotta run, bbl
20:28 wizzyrea       later :)
20:29 wizzyrea       chris_n++
20:29 wizzyrea       cait: ok? http://screencast.com/t/VksHWdS7iK4
20:29 cait           the blue?
20:30 cait           or the ronded edges?
20:30 wizzyrea       and the slight border around the blue
20:30 wizzyrea       and the roundy corners.
20:30 cait           yep I like
20:31 wizzyrea       i feel a bit funny tinkering with the look of the intranet >.>
20:31 cait           the line around the refine search seems a bit different than the lin eon the dop of the search?
20:31 cait           what I would ike to see
20:31 wizzyrea       well, I think
20:31 cait           is us using more classes
20:31 cait           so we can change the color of things with a few css statements
20:31 cait           simplyfying changes like that
20:31 cait           not needing so much tinkering
20:31 kathryn        Morning all : )
20:32 wizzyrea       hi kathryn :)
20:32 cait           hi kathryn :)
20:32 cait           so people could apply a new color scheme very easy
20:32 wizzyrea       interestingly the definition of those things are exactly the same
20:32 wizzyrea       the border on refine
20:32 wizzyrea       and the border on the search header
20:34 wizzyrea       oh I see why
20:34 wizzyrea       cait: http://screencast.com/t/F0Zz19d6X
20:35 cait           :)
22:39 chris_n        wizzyrea++ #I'll squash and sign off later this evening
22:39 chris_n        paul_p will have his work cut out when he gets back :-)
23:04 eythian        hi
23:04 wahanui        hi, eythian
23:04 eythian        wahanui: oh, so you're talking to me now, huh?
23:04 wahanui        eythian: bugger all, i dunno
23:16 * jcamins_away finds a 30lb hook, discovers that he doesn't have any matching nails.
23:17 jcamins_away   I always wondered, growing up, why my father had a toolbox full of screws and nails that he never used.
23:17 jcamins_away   This is why.
23:18 jcamins_away   Because if you don't have lots of extra, you will be lacking the one tiny piece of metal you need to finish something.
23:19 * jcamins_away goes off in search of a nail that he almost certainly doesn't own.
23:35 mtj            anyone spotted this?... -> http://openmetadata.lib.harvard.edu/
23:36 mtj            http://isites.harvard.edu/icb/icb.do?keyword=k77982&pageid=icb.page498373
23:36 mtj            heya ronald :)
23:37 mtj            'April 24, 2012 – The Harvard Library announced it is making more than 12 million catalog records from Harvard’s 73 libraries publicly available.'
23:37 ronald         heya mtj
23:37 mtj            http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/24/harvard-releases-big-data-for-books/?pagemode=print
23:38 mtj            wow...  'Harvard plans also to eventually include circulation data on the items as well'
23:43 Judit          good morning