Time Nick Message 00:33 mib_3byp05 anyone still here? 01:29 mib_3byp05 can we batch import from a list of isbn numbers ? 01:38 rangi you would have to write/find a script to do that, afaik one is not included in koha 02:12 druthb <.< 02:12 druthb >.> 02:12 druthb o/ 02:13 chris_n should we avoid HTML5 foo? 02:20 ibeardslee rangi: back now, didn't get to meet the hordes 02:20 rangi ahh :) 02:22 chris_n no takers? 02:23 * chris_n is considering using File and FileReader to handle uploading in the QOD feature 02:23 rangi chris_n: don't really have a firm opinion, in general i think we should be moving to html 5, not sure if yet 02:24 eythian QOD? 02:24 chris_n quote of the day 02:24 chris_n mozilla says FF 3.6 supports html5 02:24 chris_n chrome 7 02:25 chris_n IE 10 02:35 mtj wots the mobile browser support from html5 like? 02:35 mtj /me has no idea 02:46 eythian generally reasonable I think 02:46 eythian they're all naturally modern browsers. 03:26 Amit_Gupta heya druthb 03:27 druthb Hi, Amit! :) 04:48 fr_george Koha is great! Our library has been up for about 3 weeks now. The only issue I have noticed is that extended characters show up as question marks. For example, a Russian language book in our collection with ISBN # 589577038X in the OPAC is a good example of the issue. I have tried the Unimark flavor as opposed to USMARC to see if there is any difference in 04:48 fr_george I am finding no difference. 04:48 fr_george You may look at my opac located at http://opac.orthodoxeducationonline.net to see what I am asking about. 04:50 fr_george I am using the UTF-8 character set. The MARC record appears to pull correctly if I pull it through MarcEdit. 05:00 Oak kia ora #koha 05:21 cait morning #koha 06:06 Oak Guten Morgen cait 06:07 Oak question: in OPAC results and item detail page, this is how publisher is shown: Publisher: Place Publisher Year 06:07 Oak how can I make it: Publisher: Publisher Place Year ? 06:11 Oak I changed <xsl:with-param name="codes">abcg</xsl:with-param> to <xsl:with-param name="codes">bacg</xsl:with-param> in /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/prog/en/xslt/MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl but nothing happened on refreshing. 06:11 Oak just took a guess that may be this will work. don't know actually how to do what i want 06:12 Oak *sigh* 06:13 cait hi Oak 06:13 cait reading 06:13 Oak ah good :) 06:14 cait hm not sure 06:14 cait I mean I know how you can do it 06:14 cait but 06:14 cait not sure what the right order is :) 06:14 Oak should not do it? 06:14 cait @marc 260 a 06:14 huginn cait: Place of publication, distribution, etc. May contain the abbreviation [S.l.] when the place is unknown. (Repeatable) 06:14 cait @marc 260 $b 06:14 huginn cait: unknown field/subfield combination (260/$b) 06:14 cait @marc 260 b 06:14 huginn cait: Name of publisher, distributor, etc. May contain the abbreviation [s.n.] when the name is unknown. (Repeatable) 06:15 cait Oak: why do you want to change the sequence? 06:16 Oak well, it will read like this then: Publisher: Harvard Business School Publishing. USA. 2004. 06:16 Oak that seems better (when reading?) 06:16 cait hm there are rules :) 06:16 Oak okay 06:16 Oak and 06:16 alex_a bonjour! 06:16 cait I mean you could change it - but I think it's correct that way, checking now 06:16 Oak what was I supposed to put after 260 a? a comma? 06:17 cait http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd260.html 06:17 cait place : publisher, year I think 06:17 cait take a look at bug 7845 06:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7845 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Multiple 260s don't display properly in search results 06:18 cait I wrote a patch to improve display and the punctuation 06:18 Oak uh oh. now I have to change all books i cataloged to look like: Publisher: USA: Harvard Business School Publishing, 2004. ? :( 06:18 cait Oak: no, only when you had the wrong fields :) 06:18 cait if you put the informatoin in the fields like they were labelled, all is ok 06:19 Oak okay then... it's just that i put a full stop after Place, then a full stop after Publisher, and after year also... it looks kind of bad. but well. 06:19 Oak okay. Good Morning to you cait. 06:20 cait Oak: perhaps try the patch 06:20 Oak Bonjour alex_a 06:20 cait it might make it look better 06:20 cait and bonjour alex_a 06:22 Oak hmm, looking, meanwhile, this is how my results look: http://tinypic.com/r/xbzvb6/5 06:22 alex_a bonjour cait Oak :) 06:24 Oak cait, if I apply the patch, i should first remove the full stop from all records one by one? 06:25 cait it might be the xslt cuts off the full stop 06:25 cait I am not sure it does, but it has functions to do that in other places 06:25 cait so it might work without changing the records 06:25 Oak hmm. 06:26 Oak what is link to your library cait ? 06:26 cait Oak: I have no library using the patch right now - it just got into master yesterday 06:27 Oak oho i just want to see things .... how it looks etc 06:27 Oak not this patch 06:27 Oak just how things are done in your library in a general way 06:38 francharb hi 06:38 wahanui what's up, francharb 06:39 cait Oak: not working in a library :) but you can try searching here 06:39 cait [off] http://hfjs.bsz-bw.de 06:40 reiveune hello 06:40 wahanui privet, reiveune 06:42 Oak by the way, in /cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/detail.pl?biblionumber=7 it shows publisher like this: "Publisher: Pearson Education India 2003 ." but in OPAC results it shows "India" at start. Why is that? 06:42 Oak that /cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/detail.pl?biblionumber=7 is in Koha admin area... 06:43 cait Oak: because it's a bug :) 06:43 Oak cool. 06:43 Oak :) 06:43 cait it's the only place where it was wrong - my patch also corrected that 06:44 Oak ah :) 06:44 cait ok, have to go :) 06:44 cait bbl 06:49 julian_m hello 06:49 wahanui what's up, julian_m 06:57 mveron Good morning #koha 06:58 Oak hello julian_m, mveron :) 06:58 mveron Hi Oak 06:58 mveron Hi Julian 06:59 julian_m hello Oak, mveron 07:12 kf hi #koha 07:13 esofiane Hello everybody 07:13 mveron hi kf, esofiane 07:14 kf hi mveron and esofiane 07:14 kf mveron: was tired yesterday :( - if you want to start on german translation, you can do that now - all files are updated 07:15 kf hi gaetan_B :) 07:15 mveron kf: Coffee ready, files ready, mveron ready... 07:15 gaetan_B hi kf :) hello koha ! 07:15 kf mveron: :) - and a good idea, I should make tea 07:15 mveron hi gaetan 07:15 drojf good morning #koha 07:16 kf hi drojf :) 07:16 drojf hej kf :) 07:16 mveron hi drojf 07:16 drojf hi mveron 07:31 mveron kf: How to proceed? I'm on Deutsch » Koha 3.8 » de-DE-i-staff-t-prog-v-3006000.po, used "Schellübersetzung" to go there, see Entry 1867. Just type in and "Vorschlagen"? Or "Senden"? 07:32 kf Senden 07:32 kf if you are sure :) 07:32 kf Vorschlagen requires that I go through all of them and decide if it's good or not 07:32 mveron kf: OK, I give it a try... 07:37 magnuse kia ora #koha! 07:38 mveron Hi magnuse 07:38 drojf hi magnuse 07:38 magnuse hiya mveron and drojf 07:39 mveron kf: biblionumber? 07:39 kf hm link? 07:39 wahanui i guess link is right, but the website is gone, apparently 07:39 kf mveron: if it's in context to the database I would keep it, or you could use Titelsatznummer 07:39 mveron kf: thanks 07:41 kf hm is bugzilla down? 07:42 samuel hi everybody! 07:42 mveron kf: Had the same impression, does not load. Bug limit reached? :-) 07:42 kf hi samuel :) 07:42 kf hope not 07:42 kf rangi did an update yesterday - perhaps related to that? 07:45 mveron kf: I had a look at bugs about 60 minutes ago, then it worked. 07:46 mveron kf: OK like this? http://translate.koha-community.org/de/38/translate.html?unit=3526458 07:49 kf mveron: looks good to me:) 07:49 magnuse bugzilla works for me now 07:59 mveron kf: Thanks. Who sets the checkbox "fragwürdig"? 08:05 kf mveron: the translation scripts mark thing sas fuzzy = fragwürdig in some cases. I think when there are minor changes? ( 08:05 kf ich hab das nie ganz entschlüsselt :) ) 08:05 kf I think that we have so many fuzzy strings now is due to the capitalization changes in the english templates 08:05 kf but it's a chance to correct the typos hidden in there... (founds lots of typos...) 08:05 * magnuse thinks so too 08:05 kf found. 08:07 mveron kf: Seems to be related with things like http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/toolkit/pofilter_tests#endwhitespace 08:08 kf oh right 08:08 kf whitespace 08:08 wahanui whitespace is http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2011/12/15/fixing-whitespace-when-apply-patches-with-git/ 08:08 kf be careful to keep all %s 08:08 kf you can move them to make sentences work better, but the sequence can not be changed 08:09 kf and if there is whitespace at the end of a sentence (shown by a red line) - keep that too 08:09 mveron kf: Ok, will take care 08:11 mveron kf: Is there kind of history to trace back changes? 08:12 magnuse mveron: nope, no version control :-) 08:13 magnuse for people collaborating it might actually make sense to use git, to keep track of changes and for merging work 08:13 kf magnuse: I think merging po files does not work all too well :( 08:13 magnuse bah! 08:14 mveron maguse, kf: Ok, good to know. I go carefully ahead... 08:14 kf mveron: we can always search and change strings later 08:14 kf mveron: I do that all the time when I run into something weird in the interface 08:14 kf nothing is set into stone :) 08:15 mveron kf: Good to know. 08:29 Amit_Gupta heya kf 08:33 mveron kf: Consitency: Lokaler Rechner or Lokaler Computer? 08:46 kf mveron: no idea :) 08:47 kf mveron: we used to have a wiki page with terms we agreed on on the old wiki - but it got lost and I didn't recreate it because not many german translators 08:47 kf perhaps we should create a new one 08:47 drojf kf: yes please 08:48 drojf it is very confusing for some people if terms for one thing change within the interface 08:48 kf drojf: it's never by intention 08:49 mveron Agree (einverstanden, stimme zu, richtig) 08:49 drojf no but it happens 08:49 kf drojf: and it's not easy to do :( but I agree whole heartedly and I am trying to have things consistent 08:49 magnuse and sometimes it's just really hard to understand what meaning of e.g. "item" is appropriate 08:49 kf yeah or issue 08:49 magnuse yeah! 08:50 kf isssue can be a zeitschriftenheft and a problem and a ausleihe 08:50 mveron Had a nice one: Check Items In = Prüfe Exemplare in 08:50 drojf yes 08:50 drojf hihi 08:50 kf cat = katze (short form of category on one page) 08:50 drojf :D 08:50 mveron Google translate 08:51 magnuse oleonard++ for his work on capitalization - i think that reduced the number of "duplicate strings" considerably 08:51 mveron Once I got Taufbeckenverwaltung for Font Manager 08:51 kf magnuse: and makes out the few corrections we missed :) 08:51 kf rofl 08:52 kf mveron: I have seen professional translations for library related texts that were really awful 08:52 kf missing the right vocabulary 08:52 mveron Maybe after the translation process we can do a search on the usual suspects 08:52 drojf isn't there an english german dictionary for libraryspeak? i think i saw something like that, and i think it was online, but i cannot find it anymore 08:53 kf yep 08:53 kf we had links to those 08:53 kf if someone starts a wiki page 08:53 kf I can add some links later on 08:53 kf that is one: http://www.bibliotheks-glossar.de/ 08:53 drojf maybe we write an open access dictionary while we#re at it :D 08:54 drojf yes that's the one. thanks 08:56 kf [off] not a lot on the old page: http://librarypolice.com/wiki.koha.org/germantranslation.html 08:57 kf und stimmt nicht mehr - budget = Etat, fund = Konto (seit der neuen Erwerbung) 08:57 kf ok, meeting, will be back later 09:10 magnuse Oak 09:10 Oak magnuse 09:10 Oak :) 09:10 magnuse :-) 09:13 vk hello friends 09:13 magnuse hiya vk 09:14 vk please tell me is it necessary to define shelving location at the time of data import 09:15 vk because my item type itself clear that it belongs to which section of the library i.e reference, general, book bank etc. 09:24 magnuse 952$c is not mandatory, but if it wasn't too much work i think i would fill it, even if it does not say anything different than the item type, to perhaps make future changes easier... 09:25 vk ok than i will also try for that 09:26 vk in 3.6 search limit items available only is not working is it bug or anything wrong which i do not know 09:26 magnuse vk: it's a bug 09:27 vk so how and when it could be corrected and till that time how can i hide it? 09:27 magnuse there was talk about it yesterday, let me see if i can find the log 09:29 vk i am using live CD of 3.6 how to run zebra with -z 09:29 vk to update the records which changes recently 09:30 magnuse you need to have cron set up to run rebuild_zebra.pl with the -z option at regular intervals 09:31 magnuse the cd might have set that up for you already, i don't know it 09:31 magnuse i mean, i don't know how the cd sets up things 09:32 paul_p good morning #koha 09:32 magnuse kia ora paul_p! 09:32 vk ok thanks, 09:32 wahanui hmmm... thanks, is there a fix coming down the pipe? 09:36 magnuse paul_p: any chance the patch for bug 7984 can make it into 3.8? local cover images are broken for nb-NO-installations without it 09:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7984 major, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Fix the upload_local_cover_images permission 09:37 paul_p magnuse = i'm checking patches that already have a sign-off and/or passed QA. I'll give a try to 7984 this afternoon 09:37 magnuse yay! 09:37 magnuse paul_p: and i have a question for you at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Talk:3.8_Release_Notes :-) 09:38 paul_p magnuse yes 09:38 paul_p magnuse i've answered your concern about translation 09:39 magnuse yay, cool, thanks! 09:39 magnuse paul_p++ 09:40 magnuse i'll wander off to lunch and leave you in peace now :-) 09:41 Oak paul_p++ 10:29 mveron magnuse: intranet-tmpl/prog/en/xslt/NORMARCslim2intranetResults.xsl should keep original text, no? 10:30 magnuse if you are trnslating you can just copy the strings from the NORMARC* files, yes 10:30 magnuse you will never, ever need normarc in german :-) 10:35 slef paul_p: Changes to attachment 8544 of bug 7729 submitted 10:35 huginn 03Attachment http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=8544&action=edit patch, Bug 7729 : svc/bib: support appending ?items=1 to the URL to fetch or modify items, Bug-7729--svcbib-support-appending-items1-to-the-U.patch 10:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7729 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, Needs Signoff , svc API should allow modification of items 10:36 mveron magnuse: I supposed so... 10:38 magnuse good 11:01 Amit_Gupta heya gaetan_B 11:01 wahanui gaetan_B is looking at bug 7693 11:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7693 minor, P5 - low, ---, gaetan.boisson, Pushed to Master , clear screen button misaligned 11:01 Amit_Gupta bug 7970 11:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7970 major, P1 - high, ---, amit.gupta, Failed QA , Allow OPAC holds per library policy without default rule 11:01 Amit_Gupta bug 7739 11:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7739 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, shinoy.m, Needs Signoff , Batch edit items of a title 11:35 jcamins Good morning, #koha. 11:36 mveron Hi jcamins 11:38 jcamins How's the German translation going? 11:38 kf_mtg hi jcamins :) 11:39 mveron I did 95 this morning, not so much as kf :-) 11:39 kf_mtg looks like mveron has pushed it down another 1000 words :) 11:39 kf_mtg ah, perhaps drojf1? 11:39 kf_mtg I haven't done anything today so far - meetings 11:40 drojf1 i didnt do anything, im working on my import 11:40 kf hm 11:40 kf ghosts? :) 11:40 drojf1 2000 more records magically appeared after fixing a bug :D 11:40 * jcamins would help, but his suggestions yesterday were rejected for being gibberish. ;) 11:40 mveron Wie war es docz zu köln vordem mit Heinzelmännchen so bequem... 11:40 kf mveron++ :) 11:40 mveron doch 11:42 slef :) Ampelmännchen :) 11:43 slef 3 registrations processed, 10 more papers added to http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon12_Schedule#Papers 11:43 drojf1 kf: maybe you did them yourself while thinking about something else :D 11:43 kf scary thought :) 11:46 jcamins slef: Is it too late to submit a proposal? I've been too focused on this development proposal (finally finished last night, late) to do anything else. 11:47 jcamins Do you even need another proposal? 11:48 jcamins Probably not, I think. 11:51 jwagner slef, I see the schedule seems to be in hour blocks in the morning & 1.5 hours in the afternoons. Are you looking for papers to fit a particular timespan? I guesstimated 30-45 minutes, but can make mine fit any length you want 11:52 slef jcamins: deadline is today. The more the merrier I think. I should check times. 11:53 slef jcamins: FSVO "today" like GBSD 11:53 slef jwagner: schedule is still in flux, I suspect 30-45 is the sweet spot. 11:53 jcamins Okay. 11:53 jcamins I will submit my proposal, then. 11:54 slef I am not sure whether to submit one. I also want one from mle. 11:54 slef mle_: hey. Are you better? ;-) 11:55 * slef tests what sort of alerts mle has configured... 11:59 slef jwagner: I'm thinking we won't use the 1630-1800 for papers 11:59 slef lunch :) 11:59 * jcamins notices that there isn't any paper on authorities, either. 12:01 jcamins I'll propose that for KohaCon 2013. 12:01 mveron slef: Good Idea :-) 12:03 jwagner OK, thanks slef. I have to get started writing the thing now, so I wanted to get a good idea of how long to make it 12:05 slef mveron: ? 12:05 mveron slef? 12:05 wahanui slef is an avid cyclist 12:06 mveron slef: lunch is a good idea :-) 12:26 oleonard Hi #koha 12:27 jcamins Good morning, oleonard. 12:29 kf hi oleonard :) 13:09 chris_n oleonard: any opinion on doing development in koha w/html5 at this point in history? 13:11 chris_n lunch? 13:11 wahanui lunch is a good idea :) 13:11 chris_n that's my kind of bot ;-) 13:19 oleonard chris_n: I haven't thought much about it yet 13:20 chris_n I've been messing around with the FileReader() support in html5 to handle uploads 13:21 oleonard Is that kind of thing backwards-compatible? 13:21 chris_n FF 3.6+ 13:21 chris_n depending on how backwards one wants to go :) 13:22 chris_n chrome 7+ 13:22 chris_n although chrome entirely locks out local fs access by js and friends 13:22 chris_n which stinks unless you're paranoid 13:22 * oleonard often is :P 13:23 chris_n oleonard: http://caniuse.com/filereader 13:25 chris_n since we effectively support "only" FF for the staff client, it "probably" would not be a problem 13:25 oleonard I wonder if support in Safari lags because Apple focuses so much on mobile Safari that they don't care about file upload 13:25 * chris_n doesn't know... perhaps they're after bigger lions than file upload 13:26 * oleonard doesn't see much progress from Safari 13:27 * chris_n resists the urge to make another really stupid play on words :-) 13:28 chris_n well, I'll work this up as a separate set of patches and let folks take it for a spin; we can all decide after playing a bit 13:28 oleonard What's it for? 13:29 chris_n I'm adding the ability to upload quotes in csv format 13:30 chris_n my plan is to let the browser slurp up the csv into memory, create an editable datatable, allow the user to review/edit the quotes to be uploaded 13:30 chris_n and then submit for storage in the db 13:31 chris_n it the idea flies, it may be useful in conjunction with other file import features of koha 13:32 chris_n with FileReader() one can slice a file up so as to keep memory usage low and then simply "page" through the file 13:33 magnus_afk chris_n++ 14:33 oleonard Anyone else having trouble fetching from git? 14:33 wizzyrea hm I'm not 14:35 oleonard git.koha-community.org[0: 174.143.233.17]: errno=Connection timed out 14:36 oleonard fatal: unable to connect a socket (Connection timed out) 14:38 wizzyrea hmm 14:39 gmcharlt works for me 14:42 gmcharlt don't see anything unusal in the server's logs 14:42 gmcharlt oleonard: still giving you problems? 14:43 oleonard Well, I just tried it using my Windows git client and it worked, so it must be something to do with my Ubuntu VM 14:44 oleonard I wonder what could have changed between today and yesterday... 14:47 gmcharlt oleonard: are you able to clone other Git repositories from that VM? 14:49 oleonard Whoops, magic. Now it works. 14:49 * oleonard suspects it was gmcharlt's brainwaves 14:54 gmcharlt git pull gmchart # ERR: unsupported, painful operation 14:54 * wizzyrea giggles 15:03 jcamins oleonard: you suspended your computer? 15:04 jcamins Try restarting your VM. 15:04 oleonard I did restart and it was still a few tries before I got through 15:05 jcamins Hm. 15:05 jcamins Well, it was an idea. 15:05 jcamins I also didn't notice that it had started working. 15:10 * mveron Enough for today... 15:10 mveron By #koha 15:10 jcamins fredericd: around? 15:17 fredericd jcamins: ? 15:18 jcamins fredericd: I had a question about your indexer. 15:20 fredericd I listen 15:20 jcamins How hard would it be to adjust the indexer to index not based on the done field but based on the primary key. 15:20 jcamins *? 15:20 fredericd primary key? 15:20 jcamins The auto_increment primary key. 15:21 jcamins Sorry, in between when I asked if you were here, and when you got back, the alarm started going crazy. 15:21 jcamins I'll try to restate that more clearly. 15:21 fredericd What would you want to do exactlty? 15:21 jcamins I want to be able to have multiple indexers run on one database. 15:22 jcamins kohastructure? 15:22 jcamins koha structure? 15:22 jcamins Aw, wahanui doesn't know that. 15:22 wizzyrea schema 15:22 wizzyrea schema? 15:22 wahanui schema is tracked in git. or found at http://schema.koha-community.org 15:22 jcamins Woohoo! 15:22 jcamins wizzyrea++ 15:23 fredericd jcamins: to parallized indexing? 15:23 jcamins So I want to have the indexer say "okay, I indexed up to the row with zebraqueue.id=100 last run, now I start with the row where zebraqueue.id=101. 15:23 jcamins Actually, so I can have completely different indexing configurations with one data source. 15:24 fredericd take a look at that: https://github.com/fredericd/Koha-Contrib-Tamil/blob/master/lib/Koha/Contrib/Tamil/RecordReader.pm 15:25 fredericd This is the records reader use by the index 15:25 fredericd I suppose it could be extended to select records based on various criteria 15:25 jcamins Oh, I see. In the BUILD sub. 15:26 jcamins Right there is the part where it checks for done = 0. 15:26 jcamins :) 15:26 jcamins Thanks! 15:26 jcamins fredericd++ 15:29 fredericd jcamins: you have some doc here: https://github.com/fredericd/Koha-Contrib-Tamil/blob/master/lib/Koha/Contrib/Tamil/Indexer.pm 15:29 fredericd you have some doc line 183 15:30 fredericd the idea could be to add criteria to the indexer, and the pass them to the record reader 15:30 jcamins Ah, yes, that would be perfect. 15:30 jcamins Do you accept patches? :) 15:31 fredericd who will sign-off :) 15:31 jcamins fredericd: does anyone other than me want to do something this crazy? ;) 15:33 fredericd you know you're unique 15:33 jcamins fredericd: :D 15:33 jcamins But just think how *useful* this would be! 15:34 fredericd sure, even if I can't figure it how exactly 15:35 fredericd I had demands from people who want to inject into record related bilio records... UNIMARC 4xx fields 15:36 jcamins fredericd: I hope to add that. :) 15:37 jcamins To Koha, using the new filter added with the DOM biblio indexing. 15:44 reiveune bye 15:49 chris_n oleonard: does this reflect your followup on bug 7647? http://pro.test2.biblibre.com/ 15:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7647 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Needs Signoff , Checkout History Sort 15:49 chris_n opps 15:49 chris_n wrong bug 15:49 oleonard No 15:50 * chris_n wonders if the sandboxes pick up from bz or from the bug branch in the main repo? 15:50 oleonard bz 15:50 oleonard http://www.screencast.com/t/KmG7CuF7J5ZW 15:51 chris_n hmm... I just created that one from 7979 15:51 jcamins chris_n: bz 15:52 oleonard chris_n: Notice the text in the News box 15:52 * chris_n must be confused on how to set up the sandbox 15:52 chris_n now its really busted :P 15:54 kf chris_n: it says something went wrong 15:54 oleonard chris_n: The third patch on the bug is a follow-up based on the first patch so it won't apply if you apply the second patch 15:54 oleonard The sandbox system just tries to apply them all on top of each other 15:54 chris_n kf: yes ;) 15:54 kf okok :) 15:54 * kf goes back to answering mails 15:54 chris_n at any rate, the video looked nice 15:55 * chris_n hands kf a few oreos 15:55 jcamins Maybe I'll eliminate the cataloging home page altogether, and just make the main page into sliders. 15:55 kf ah 15:55 kf chris_n: you are brillant! Istill have some hidden in my backpack 15:55 chris_n lol 15:57 chris_n lunch anyone? 15:57 jcamins Maybe I'll eliminate *all* the module home pages. 15:57 jcamins Bwahahaha!!! 15:58 jcamins Oreos? 15:58 jcamins I was thinking bread and hummus, myself. 15:58 * kf has eaten them up 15:58 chris_n gmcharlt: the weekend works for me #re git prune 15:58 oleonard Do you make your own hummus jcamins ? 15:59 kf meh, seems the browse result feature also comes with a hardcoded untrasnlatable "by" 15:59 jcamins oleonard: usually I do not, but I think I will start again. 16:01 * oleonard makes himself hungry by thinking about hummus with cilantro 16:01 jcamins Mmmm. 16:01 gmcharlt chris_n: thanks 16:02 jcamins gmcharlt: I'll be RMaint for 3.6 starting Tuesday, but any time you tell me not to do any Maint'ing, I will not Maint. ;) 16:02 gmcharlt jcamins: oh, you can continue to Maint during the gc, but only locally ;) 16:02 jcamins Right. 16:03 jcamins Not to mention, it'll probably take me a while to figure out how to push things anyway. 16:07 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 3969 follow-up = budget name field is budget_name, not name <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=67942f7432e8706c460e7f8e36178c0cd60333f7> / Bug 3969: Budget search in acquisition does't work (search) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=eb2cedbfba1a69f24bfdd1d6cf7064abade499e6> / Bug 6931 : Only update frameworks for the correct marcflavour <http://git.koha-commun 16:19 jenkins_koha Starting build #717 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED) 16:52 kf bye all happy weekend 16:52 wizzyrea happy weekend :) 16:58 chris_n weekend? 16:58 wahanui somebody said weekend was near! 16:58 chris_n which end? 17:09 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #717: SUCCESS in 49 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/717/ 17:09 jenkins_koha * mjr: Bug 6267 custom http user-agent in check-url.pl (fix for books.google.com 401 error) 17:09 jenkins_koha * juan.sieira: Bug 7855 - marcflavour files changed to set the maxlength field into fresh installs. Include NORMARC in updatedatabase to change maxlength. 17:09 jenkins_koha * tajoli: Bug 7861 : Update of italian sql files for 3.8 17:09 jenkins_koha * tdavis: bug 7849 Instant Fine Calculation\n Adds functionality of calculate fines instantly. This is very important for Hourly loans becuase of a loophole from the cron. 17:09 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Adding Marc Veron 17:09 jenkins_koha * mjr: Bug 1577 - update INSTALL to mention need to translate templates 17:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6267 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , custom http user-agent in check-url.pl (fix for books.google.com 401 error) 17:09 jenkins_koha * tajoli: Bug 7759, update of install files to use background indexing (and some whitespace tidy) 17:09 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6931 : Only update frameworks for the correct marcflavour 17:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7855 major, P5 - low, ---, juan.sieira, ASSIGNED , Bug 7263 does not include maxlength field sets into a fresh install 17:09 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 3969: Budget search in acquisition does't work (search) 17:09 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 3969 follow-up = budget name field is budget_name, not name 17:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7861 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tajoli, Pushed to Master , Update of Italian sql files for 3.8 17:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7849 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Instant Fine Calculation at Checkin 17:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1577 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , installer and language 17:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7759 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tajoli, Passed QA , Use Koha-Contrib-Tamil to update Zebra data in background 17:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6931 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , hardcoded insert incompatible with UNIMARC 17:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3969 major, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Passed QA , Budget Search Doesn't Work 17:42 SJeffery Does anyone know if there is any kind of gathering planned for Koha users @ ALA? 17:43 jcamins SJeffery: I don't know, but I'd think there would be something. 17:43 jcamins I think last year vtl organized something. 17:44 SJeffery vtl? 17:44 jcamins Vicki Teal Lovely. 17:44 jcamins I think I spelled her name right. 17:45 sekjal yes 17:45 jcamins Woohoo! 17:45 SJeffery jcamins: *cookie* 17:47 jcamins I think bag organized something at MW, too. 18:04 * oleonard would like to do some kind of in-country Koha meetup but never goes to the big library conferences 18:04 jcamins oleonard: you should visit Lawrence during KohaCon. :) 18:05 cait or also called: counterkohacon :P 18:05 cait hi all :) 18:06 cait only joking :) I think it's great, but wish I could be at 2 places at once :) 18:06 SJeffery Some of us go to the big conferences but cant go to the Koha-specific conferences 18:07 jcamins SJeffery: if there isn't anything planned yet, you could certainly get something together easily by e-mailing the mailing list. 18:07 SJeffery That is the plan:) 18:17 * chris_n wants to know why a js function would fail to execute properly when called immediately after a page load, but then work find the second time it is called (with no intervening page load). 18:17 jcamins chris_n: I know this, actually. 18:18 jcamins It has to do with the difference between onload and ready() 18:18 jcamins One of them doesn't actually make sure that the entire file has been downloaded. 18:18 chris_n its part of the ready() 18:18 jcamins If the file hasn't been downloaded, the script doesn't work. 18:18 chris_n which should do that i think... 18:19 chris_n but then, I am a mere mortal 18:19 chris_n and very green w/js :) 18:19 jcamins chris_n: like I know anything about js? :P 18:20 chris_n hehe 18:20 * chris_n drinks java 18:23 jcamins chris_n: how hard was hooking jeditable and datatables together? 18:23 * sekjal wrote in Java for the first time in a long time the other day... 18:23 jcamins sekjal: I'm so sorry. 18:24 chris_n pass the sugar please... 18:24 chris_n it seems that the event handler may not be binding the first time around 18:24 * chris_n wonders if he sounds proficient yet 18:26 sekjal jcamins: plugin for Minecraft 18:27 jcamins sekjal: Minecraft-based reference services? 18:28 sekjal someone apparently *has* made the W.E.B. Du Bois tower in Minecraft 18:28 sekjal lotta brick 18:42 jcamins You know what is going to be very cool? Browsing catalogs by printer. 19:05 oleonard When Chrome recommends warns in its audit that resources are "missing a cache expiration" what does that mean in terms of what we can change? 19:05 oleonard Modify default Apache conf? 19:06 jcamins oleonard: yes. 19:06 jcamins oleonard: there's a page somewhere that explains that. 19:06 jcamins I don't have the link here. 19:21 libsysguy So if I submit a patch that probably nobody currently developing for koha can test to see if it works, what happens? 19:21 libsysguy do you just make sure it doesn't break anything? 19:21 wizzyrea :/ nothing 19:21 libsysguy sad day 19:21 oleonard You don't get a signoff, so nothing 19:21 wizzyrea so, uh, make a good test plan 19:22 oleonard Why would nobody be able to test? 19:22 wizzyrea provide relevant datas 19:22 libsysguy its for AD LDAP integration 19:22 libsysguy but its a special case 19:22 wizzyrea also detailed configuration information 19:22 libsysguy hmm 19:23 jcamins libsysguy: provide instructions for setting up a similarly broken configuration with OpenLDAP? :P 19:23 libsysguy that could work 19:23 * libsysguy goes to learn openLDAP 19:24 libsysguy i suppose "it doesn't break current ldap configs" won't fly huh? 19:24 libsysguy :p 19:24 jcamins If you can get someone to sign off on that fact, sure, that'd work. 19:25 libsysguy offers cookies and milk to sign-offers ;) 19:25 libsysguy *bait* 19:25 * jcamins doesn't use LDAP. 19:25 jcamins Probably should, but I don't. 19:26 libsysguy I sometime feel like im the only one 19:26 libsysguy i just don't want my library stuck forking and rebasing after im gone 19:26 jcamins You might be able to get a sign off from MDAH. 19:26 jcamins Actually, I think they may have the exact same configuration you do. 19:26 libsysguy oh? 19:26 jcamins Yeah. 19:27 libsysguy what library is that 19:27 jcamins You'd have to ask though, because I don't remember. 19:27 libsysguy google doesn't have an immediate answer 19:27 jcamins Mississippi Department of Archives and History. Linda Culberson would be the person to talk to. 19:27 libsysguy ahh so google did give the right answer 19:29 drojf "crazy/ rare configurations" would be a nice section for the wiki so people can find someone to ask 19:30 libsysguy could we change the logo in that secion to someone pulling their hair out? 19:30 jcamins lol 19:30 drojf lol 19:31 * jcamins puts his name down for "one database for two or more Koha instances" 19:31 libsysguy one database - two kohas 19:32 libsysguy kinky 19:32 jcamins I even came up with a method to use zebraqueue instead of needing to reindex the second. 19:32 libsysguy wizzyrea: you still around 19:33 jcamins I only thought of it today so I haven't actually tested it. 19:33 drojf what real life use does that have? why would one need two kohas to search the same data? 19:33 libsysguy haha 19:33 wizzyrea libsysguy? 19:33 wahanui libsysguy is, like, Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck 19:33 * wizzyrea nods 19:33 jcamins drojf: testing index configurations. 19:33 jcamins Also, load-balancing. 19:33 wizzyrea failover! 19:33 libsysguy do you know what the average search time is for your collection? 19:33 wizzyrea average search time. 19:33 libsysguy you have one of the larger ones right? 19:33 wizzyrea Not empirically. 19:34 libsysguy oh 19:34 wizzyrea anecdotally, it's between 1 and 10 seconds. 19:34 wizzyrea so probably average 5 19:34 libsysguy hehe 19:34 libsysguy i like that logic 19:34 jcamins I like this name: Frambotto. 19:36 wizzyrea I like this cake: http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/views/Asian-Five-Spice-Chocolate-Cake-102238 19:36 wizzyrea also, top it with *ginger cream* 19:36 * wizzyrea faints 19:36 jcamins Oooh. 19:36 jcamins Ginger ice cream is amazing. 19:36 libsysguy aka soulless cream? 19:36 libsysguy hehe 19:37 * wizzyrea gives libsysguy the eye. You know the one. 19:37 libsysguy there are no pictures...geez do you guys think i work in a library or something? 19:37 oleonard What does this mean? "The following resources are explicitly non-cacheable. Consider making them cacheable if possible: :88/" 19:37 libsysguy heh wizzyrea 19:37 libsysguy doesn't that mean they have do not cache in the header? 19:40 libsysguy oleonard you could try verifying the headers look correct with jsfiddle? 19:40 libsysguy oops 19:41 libsysguy not jsfiddle...fiddler2 19:41 libsysguy too many web fiddling tools 19:44 oleonard What I don't understand is why Chrome's audit tool is showing a comment about ":88/" all by itself 19:45 oleonard What is the scope of that warning? 19:46 libsysguy can you shoot a link on screencast? 19:46 libsysguy i haven't seen it either 19:46 libsysguy but im curious as to the context 19:47 oleonard Okay, be back in 10 minutes after Jing finishes launching :P 19:47 libsysguy hahaha 19:47 libsysguy ill settle for a normal screencap :p 19:48 oleonard http://screencast.com/t/9fVG5IAnoT 19:49 libsysguy wth that looks like a port # 19:49 oleonard It is 19:49 libsysguy oh 19:49 libsysguy well there's your problem :p 19:49 libsysguy jk 19:50 libsysguy oh i actaully get that error on my opac page too but for something specific 19:51 libsysguy oleonard: http://screencast.com/t/baeifAw5RI 19:53 libsysguy ok i had a crazy thought the other day 19:53 libsysguy what if I wanted to find the average age of our collection 19:54 libsysguy could i do that in mysql using the marc records? 19:54 jcamins Crazier than "why don't I set up two Koha installations connected to one database"? 19:54 libsysguy well that is pretty crazy jcamins...i feel like you just applied an inverse operation to the idea of database redundancy :p 19:54 jcamins libsysguy: you could do it using pubdate, couldn't you? 19:55 libsysguy i think so 19:55 jcamins That's what I'd do. Use pubdate or copydate. 19:55 jcamins Whichever is appropriate. 19:55 libsysguy ohh publication year 19:56 libsysguy I was worried that id have to query marc 19:56 libsysguy phew 19:56 libsysguy eff...all null 19:56 jcamins Check the other one. 19:57 libsysguy i see copyrightdate in biblio 19:57 libsysguy but nothing in items or biblioitems 19:58 jcamins Okay, copyrightdate? 19:58 libsysguy yeah that one is populated 19:58 jcamins Use that. 19:58 libsysguy working on that now 19:59 jcamins Okay, time to go. 20:17 * oleonard slinks away 20:18 * chris_n follows oleonard 21:05 wizzyrea man I wanna go too. 21:09 sekjal hmmm... yes, going.... 21:09 sekjal night, #koha 21:10 * drojf watches the tumbleweed 21:11 jcamins drojf: I'm here. 21:11 jcamins Though I'll go work on cleaning my desk once my cat is slightly less hysterical. 21:11 drojf heh 21:11 drojf valerian? catnip? 21:12 jcamins drojf: hehe. My wife left *with a suitcase* this afternoon, which leaves him very insecure. 21:13 drojf oh :( 21:13 jcamins On the plus side, this means I'll get lots more attention from him than I usually do. 21:15 * drojf would like to have a cat 21:15 drojf but allergic, yeah :/ 21:16 jcamins drojf: so are we. 21:16 jcamins Particularly my wife. 21:16 jcamins We have a hypoallergenic cat. :) 21:16 drojf did you… shave it? 21:16 drojf ;) 21:16 cait myshkin is hypoallergenic? 21:17 jcamins He's a Siberian. Siberians don't have the protein most people are allergic to. 21:17 jcamins cait: yup. :) 21:17 drojf i didnt know there is such a thing as a hypoallergenic cat. thats brilliant 21:18 cait :) 21:18 * wizzyrea giggles at drojf 21:18 wizzyrea re: the ...shaved... cat 21:20 wizzyrea gah, this is the 3rd time I've answered the "can I print all of the fines" question. 21:21 wizzyrea people just don't think to do file -> print on that screen. 21:24 drojf is customizing facets in zebra something a sane person would consider? 21:24 jcamins AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 21:24 jcamins AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 21:25 jcamins AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 21:25 jcamins AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 21:25 jcamins AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 21:25 jcamins Uhhh... 21:25 cait drojf: I did it - it's not that bad 21:25 jcamins What cait says. :) 21:25 cait and it would be really nice to have it configurable from somewhere in the interface 21:25 wizzyrea lol @cait's calm german answer. 21:25 cait not sure why jcamins is screaming 21:25 drojf :D 21:26 cait jcamins: did myshkin eat up your cookies? 21:26 cait look at 21:26 jcamins cait: because when I want to "customize" Zebra facets, it's painful. 21:26 cait [off] hs-lorsch.bsz-bw.de 21:26 wizzyrea I thought he was getting ready to sneeze. 21:26 jcamins wizzyrea: lol 21:26 wizzyrea you know, from the hypoallergenic cat. 21:26 jcamins This is so weird. 21:27 cait jcamins: can we do something to make you feel better? 21:27 jcamins Recently "instant message a representative" windows haven't been working right for me. 21:27 drojf i thought he tried to say "i did it, do i look lile a sane person?" 21:27 jcamins drojf: exactly. 21:27 cait jcamins: ? 21:27 cait oh 21:27 cait you are sane 21:28 cait now go bake some cookies 21:28 cait drojf: you want to take a look at Koha.pm 21:28 jcamins cait: the box where you type in your text is disabled. 21:28 cait ? 21:28 jcamins That was about the "message a representative" windows. 21:28 jcamins I thought that's what the question mark was about. 21:29 cait I am very confused by now 21:29 jcamins I have to use Chrome's developer tools to remove the disabled attribute, it works fine. 21:29 drojf cait: your link looks promising! 21:29 jcamins *then it works fine 21:29 jcamins cait: then I am doing my job demonstrating that I'm not sane. 21:29 cait hm 21:29 cait ok 21:29 cait you are not sane 21:29 cait go and bake me cookies! 21:30 cait or make yummy fudge :) 21:30 cait oh 21:30 cait and book a flight to edinburgh 21:30 drojf i read funny fudge. its getting late 21:31 cait yeah it is 21:31 cait for us at least 21:39 drojf cait: just edit Koha.pm and reindex? 21:39 cait did you change an existing facet? 21:39 cait or added a new one? 21:40 drojf i tried to add a new one 21:40 cait if you have a new facet you also have to put it in the template file 21:40 cait but no reindexing needed :) 21:40 cait the template file is in the includes directory of opac templates 21:40 drojf ok cool