Time  Nick             Message
23:59 * rangi          makes an edit
23:57 ibeardslee       true
23:56 slef             depends on the phone ;)
23:55 ibeardslee       bucklame
23:55 slef             eythian is stuck in backland?
23:52 rangi            yeah saw the wiki edit :)
23:52 slef             I am already asleep though
23:52 slef             yes, I'm still writing kohacon emails
23:52 slef             !?!?
23:51 rangi            slef++
23:24 sekjal           night, #koha!  time for some food, drink and relaxin'
23:20 huginn           rangi: Quote #56: "* jdavidb makes sure no kitty carcasses are among the dead bugs." (added by gmcharlt at 01:34 PM, February 11, 2010)
23:20 rangi            @quote random
22:54 libsysguy        food time
22:54 libsysguy        then what new features to add to hourly core
22:53 * libsysguy      plots how to get his prod server back up to master
22:53 sekjal           our work isn't done, of course, but we're in a much better position now than we were before
22:52 bag              YAY
22:52 libsysguy        indeed
22:52 rangi            *nod*
22:52 sekjal           a wonderful example of international, multi-organization cooperation
22:52 libsysguy        definitely couldn't have done it on my own
22:52 libsysguy        seriously thanks for the support on this on
22:51 libsysguy        rangi++ sekjal++
22:51 sekjal           rangi++
22:51 sekjal           libsysguy++
22:51 sekjal           well done libsysguy and rangi.
22:50 libsysguy        yayy
22:50 rangi            yay!
22:50 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Failed QA , Hourly Loans
22:50 sekjal           well, in that case, I think it's reasonable to update the status of bug 5549
22:49 rangi            theres a lot of weird and wonderful ways to do testing :)
22:48 rangi            Test::MockDBI
22:47 rangi            et al
22:47 rangi            or pgtap
22:47 rangi            http://theory.github.com/mytap/
22:47 sekjal           we don't have one mostly because of @quote 123 issues
22:47 rangi            some kinda TAP thing
22:47 rangi            and/or
22:46 rangi            but just cant work without a populated db
22:46 sekjal           Circulation needs a more robust test suite, anyway
22:46 rangi            yep its in there now
22:46 sekjal           so we pull it, and rebuild it later in t/db_dependent
22:46 sekjal           and right, it's just a faulty test
22:46 sekjal           no, building a solid test DB is no small feat
22:45 rangi            and it is the test that is failing not the code
22:45 rangi            im not sure we can get that done before freeze
22:45 rangi            while having sample circ rules and biblios and items would be great for all manner of tests
22:45 rangi            i think we might jsut have to pull the test
22:45 sekjal           need to figure out the plan for updating the database (databaseupdate.pl v. atomicupdate), and deal with rollingloans.t, but I don't think there are any other technical problems identified
22:43 huginn           rangi: Quote #30: "< pianohacker> Dealing with me can indeed be painful" (added by chris at 09:34 PM, September 02, 2009)
22:43 rangi            @quote random
22:43 huginn           rangi: Quote #152: "gmcharlt: Koha: unifying the world one library at a time" (added by wizzyrea at 02:19 PM, September 13, 2011)
22:43 rangi            @quote random
22:43 rangi            its only the renewal one
22:43 rangi            i think so yeah
22:43 sekjal           so, I think we're okay on 5549, right?  bugs are fixed, just need feedback on the renewals issues the hackfest testers found
22:41 rangi            ah yep
22:41 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7748 trivial, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Signed Off , Date not formatted on "Add orders from iso2709 file" page
22:41 sekjal           was just looking at bug 7748
22:40 sekjal           yes
22:40 rangi            if that makes sense
22:40 rangi            so the fix needs to be lower
22:40 rangi            but we dont want KohaDates doing something different to the places we havent fixed yet
22:40 rangi            or killing C4/Dates totally
22:39 rangi            is the best option
22:39 rangi            fixing $date->output
22:39 sekjal           another opportunity for after Hourly Loans is merged
22:39 sekjal           shouldn't be hard to do, then
22:39 rangi            }
22:39 rangi            return $date->output("sspref");
22:39 rangi            sub filter {                                                                                              my ($self,$text) = @_;                                                                                my $date = C4::Dates->new( $text, 'iso' );
22:39 rangi            of which only 10 do anything :)
22:39 rangi            its a sum total of 31 lines
22:38 sekjal           I can see 5549 and 7444 colliding
22:38 rangi            ie it just calls format_date
22:38 rangi            updating the modules it calls is probably the best bet
22:38 rangi            it doesnt do a lot
22:37 rangi            http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Chris_Cormack
22:37 sekjal           hmmm.... we're going to have to update KohaDates to handle timestamps
22:37 libsysguy        heh
22:37 rangi            with a bird on his head
22:37 rangi            heh
22:37 * libsysguy      pictures rangi looking like gandolf the grey
22:36 rangi            im old and crusty, but i still prefer an vps
22:36 rangi            cloud = someone elses computer
22:35 rangi            yup
22:35 libsysguy        i feel like aws gives me a lot of options…to rip myself off
22:35 rangi            linode are good, solid
22:34 libsysguy        when that is up ill move elsewhere
22:34 libsysguy        I only have the free account with them
22:34 rangi            amazon gets none of my money
22:33 rangi            like hell :)
22:33 libsysguy        you could move it to aws :p
22:30 rangi            i might have to kick in some more money and get more ram for my linode
22:30 sekjal           I'm seeing much better behaviour, yes
22:29 rangi            bugs should hopefully be more responsive now
22:29 libsysguy        im glad we are all on the same page :p
22:29 sekjal           lol
22:29 libsysguy        ^^
22:29 rangi            *nod*
22:29 sekjal           ^^
22:29 libsysguy        but i agree with rangi, there are a treasure trove of follow up enhancements that need to go with hourly
22:29 sekjal           there'll be plenty of extra work we can do on this, once the core functionality is in place
22:28 rangi            yep, that could be a nice follow enh
22:28 libsysguy        well that is no good
22:28 sekjal           as it stands, if you specify the renewal due date, it renews to 00:00 that day
22:28 libsysguy        ^^
22:25 sekjal           looks like our JS Calendar has a showsTime option which will include the times along with the date... could be handy to implement for renewals, hardduedates, etc
22:13 rangi            yep!
22:13 sekjal           23 bugs in my QAQ, not including 5549.  but if we can put that one to bed, I'll consider the night a resounding success
22:11 libsysguy        rangi++ sekjal++
22:10 sekjal           rangi++
22:10 sekjal           thanks, rangi!
22:10 rangi            pushing now
22:10 rangi            fixed bug
22:09 libsysguy        agreed, that thing is out of control
22:09 sekjal           I've been meaning to write one
22:09 libsysguy        oh the smart rules
22:09 sekjal           that needs a new basis STAT
22:09 sekjal           and I think what I'm really unhappy about is the circ matrix
22:09 sekjal           libsysguy: I'm not sure my way of doing it is actually any better
22:09 libsysguy        *not now*
22:08 sekjal           would make the suspension in (unit of time) a little more flexible
22:08 libsysguy        well maybe it can be fixed?
22:08 sekjal           I wish Hourly Loans has been implemented the way I noted in the spec... with a single unit of minutes, instead of splitting it out into a separate column
22:07 rangi            yeah bots again
22:05 sekjal           just noting that... if my comment would ever SAVE
22:05 sekjal           right
22:05 rangi            _FixFineDaysOnReturn
22:05 rangi            and this solves their finedays bug
22:05 sekjal           rangi:  is this _FixOverduesOnReturn?
22:05 * rangi          will fix
22:05 rangi            we are still use C4::Dates->new
22:04 rangi            but when leveling the fine on return
22:04 rangi            fines.pl
22:04 rangi            is how we do it for fines
22:04 rangi            my $datedue = dt_from_string( $overdue->{date_due} );
22:04 rangi            ah yes
22:01 mveron           good night #koha
21:57 libsysguy        rangi++
21:56 * rangi          finds the call to days_between
21:55 rangi            hence the no truncate
21:55 rangi            ahh those are C4/Date objects not DateTime ones
21:54 libsysguy        i believe so
21:54 rangi            cool, merged_5549 eh?
21:54 libsysguy        ok im going to do a pull just to get the changes you've made
21:54 rangi            but i push the fixes to merged_5549
21:53 rangi            no, on my desktop
21:53 libsysguy        rangi are you working on it directly in the pull repo?
21:53 sekjal           that doesn't sound like what they're noting, though
21:53 sekjal           maybe they're specifying the date?
21:53 rangi            yeah i couldnt either
21:53 sekjal           renewals work just fine for me
21:52 sekjal           I can't reproduce the renewals bug
21:52 libsysguy        i've definitely seen this one before then
21:52 rangi            right
21:52 sekjal           it just throws up the error
21:52 sekjal           rangi:  the checkin seems to go through
21:52 libsysguy        I feel like i've seen this one before
21:52 rangi            yep looking into it now
21:52 libsysguy        ack new hourly bug
21:44 cait             night #koha :)
21:44 cait             he is still too fast for me...
21:41 oleonard         Good night #koha
21:41 oleonard         Okay, some messaging with home and a tiny bit of work and now I'm ready for bed.
20:56 cait             it is
20:54 jcamins          slef: oh no! That's even worse!
20:53 slef             jcamins: no, cocoa solids just don't like me much.
20:50 jcamins          Oh no! Did slef give up chocolate for Lent?
20:49 slef             http://youtube.com/watch?v=vfdGV7uznfM about 1m20 in
20:49 cait             we just came back from dinner
20:49 slef             did you miss the link earlier?
20:49 * cait           offers slef some cocolateless sweets
20:49 jcamins          It sure does!
20:49 cait             that sounds... threatening
20:49 cait             oh wow
20:49 huginn           slef: The operation succeeded.
20:49 slef             @later tell magnus_away here, I want a word with you!
20:48 cait             hm no
20:48 jcamins          cait: ah. But if it were a noun, "ist" would have been at the end?
20:48 cait             sehr gut
20:48 rangi            cait: das ist gut, ja?
20:48 wizzyrea         surely not
20:48 cait             so it is prohibited
20:47 cait             verboten is an adjective
20:47 sjeffery         Am I the only one that ever changes the language of Koha on the front-end thinking that it changes the language of the displayed record?
20:47 rangi            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kIFTHoc-H0
20:47 cait             rangi did it perfectly
20:47 sekjal           okay, preconf done.  going to migrate to another wifi hotspot
20:47 cait             nope
20:47 rangi            and a nz band made a song about it
20:47 wizzyrea         oh my
20:47 jcamins          cait: Shouldn't it be das verboten ist?
20:47 cait             I will do it
20:47 cait             okok
20:47 cait             *sigh*
20:46 cait             so noone is going to fix it for me? :(
20:46 rangi            https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Miriam_A._Ferguson
20:46 rangi            its based on a quote by miriam a. ferguson
20:45 rangi            hehe
20:45 * wizzyrea       does a double take
20:45 rangi            if the queens english was good enough for jesus christ, it's good enough for me
20:45 wizzyrea         oh sorry, they do have es I guess.
20:44 wizzyrea         if we removed the translations, we'd be ptfs.
20:44 * wizzyrea       gives sjeffery the eye. You know the one.
20:44 oleonard         ...and only ones which were in Raiders of the Lost Ark
20:44 sjeffery         Well if we removed translations, that would make the code simpler:)
20:44 eythian_bucklame +s
20:44 eythian_bucklame oleonard only know German swear words.
20:44 rangi            das ist verboten!
20:43 oleonard         I think you'd be unhappy with any of my solutions
20:43 cait             fix the german translation file for 3.6.3? ;)
20:43 cait             you don't really want me to make suggestions? :)
20:43 oleonard         cait, I'm back from dinner so early I hardly know what to do with my time!
20:42 cait             hi liz :)
20:42 cait             hi owen :)
20:42 oleonard         Hi
20:42 wahanui          well, oleonard is the master UI designer of koha or an awesome bug wrangler
20:42 rangi            hey oleonard
20:41 wizzyrea         hi cait :)
20:35 cait             hi rangi :)
20:35 rangi            hi cait and hdl
20:34 cait             hi jcamins :)
20:33 jcamins          Hi cait.
20:33 cait             hi #koha
20:11 * jcamins        is happy to see authorities and analytics on the list.
20:10 sjeffery         And 12 other things if I can get them approved!
20:10 jcamins          Bwahahaha! :)
20:10 sjeffery         not me!
20:10 jcamins          And... analytics? :D :D
20:10 jcamins          Did someone say authorities? :D
20:10 jcamins_away     n/nick jcamins
19:52 magnus_afk       have fun #koha!
19:52 huginn           magnus_afk: The operation succeeded.
19:52 magnus_afk       @later tell slef: see you tomorrow!
19:47 sjeffery         lol yeah, I will give you that
19:46 rangi            answering them is worse :)
19:46 sjeffery         ps-writing rfp's is horrific
19:45 rangi            you can always see what catalyst is working on, by checking hte repo
19:45 rangi            http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/bug_7613_wr89060
19:45 sjeffery         hmm, yeah, good point
19:45 rangi            eg
19:44 rangi            if they are using git, theres no reason not to have the repo public
19:44 sjeffery         Actually, the hope is to do the development very rapidly (in a few week time period), so it will be more likely to sorta just show up
19:44 wizzyrea         ^^
19:44 rangi            helps others test/spot things .. which will make qa so much easier down the road
19:43 magnus_afk       +1
19:43 rangi            but yeah publish early publish often
19:43 wizzyrea         just making sure ;)
19:43 wizzyrea         cool
19:43 sjeffery         I know, we have been chatting about the analytics for a long time
19:43 wizzyrea         he's doing a lot of work in that area already
19:43 wizzyrea         you should talk to jcamins.
19:42 sjeffery         The first project is to change around authorities, add support for heirarchies, new interfaces, etc. Second project is completely rewriting series receiving and display. Third project is more support for analytics:)
19:42 wizzyrea         like acquisitions.
19:42 wizzyrea         sometimes you have to take one big step before you can do the improvements though.
19:42 wizzyrea         incremental improvement.
19:42 wizzyrea         yea, smaller is better.
19:42 libsysguy        otherwise it could be doomed to the same fate as hourly
19:41 rangi            ive rate limited the bots
19:41 rangi            magnus_afk: all good
19:41 magnus_afk       rangi: just say if i should turn kohagbsd off
19:41 rangi            sjeffery: ideally they would develop in the open with a publicly viewable git repo
19:41 libsysguy        maybe make it break up into smaller patches?
19:41 wizzyrea         dare we ask what it is?
19:41 sjeffery         Oh yeah, it is going to be sizable:)
19:41 magnus_afk       slef: still around?
19:41 rangi            *nod*
19:41 sekjal           a bug report must be filed for the enhancement, and a wiki page should probably be added if it's sizeable
19:40 rangi            as well as the release manager
19:40 rangi            in order to get there, it needs to pass sign off, and qa
19:40 sekjal           sjeffery:  the specification as well as the code need to be open and available.
19:40 rangi            You want the code pushed to the master branch of the official Koha git repository (git.koha-community.org)
19:39 sjeffery         I am writing up a rfp for development work and want to be sure that the vendor is required to put the code into the main codebase. Not knowing the development termonology, what am I looking for? They need to pass QA?
19:36 rangi            ahh even
19:36 rangi            ajj
19:36 sekjal           at Computers in Libraries
19:36 sekjal           usability and user experience
19:35 rangi            whats the session?
19:35 rangi            thanks
19:35 sekjal           will test other issues once I'm out of this preconf session
19:35 sekjal           awesome
19:34 rangi            fix pushed
19:32 sekjal           this should be the only issue with it, according to my grep
19:32 * libsysguy      would be a terrible tester
19:32 libsysguy        *smh* don't know how i missed that
19:31 sekjal           and days_between is already used in C4/Overdues.pm
19:31 rangi            yep fixing now
19:31 sekjal           yup
19:31 libsysguy        and changed in the new namespac
19:31 libsysguy        it looks like in C4::Calendar it was called daysBetween
19:30 sekjal           s/that's/that'd/
19:30 rangi            righto will do
19:30 sekjal           rangi: that's be great
19:29 rangi            sekjal: want me to fix and push the follow up to the branch?
19:23 rangi            heh
19:22 ibeardslee       just need to get some google ads on those pages then?
19:20 rangi            yup
19:20 ibeardslee       ahh the joy of bots eh?
19:13 rangi            mystery solved
19:13 rangi            and because there was a big flurry, it was big enough to max out connections for a little while
19:12 wizzyrea         ewwww
19:12 rangi            everytime the kohagbsd twitter accounts tweets a bunch of bots all hit whatever bug it was talking about
19:12 rangi            ah ha
18:47 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Failed QA , Hourly Loans
18:47 wahanui          it has been said that bug 5549 is libsysguy's white whale
18:47 wizzyrea         bug 5549
18:46 wizzyrea         paul_p: i'm decently confident about 7144
18:45 wizzyrea         hi there rangi
18:36 sekjal           morning, rangi
18:34 rangi            Morning
18:00 libsysguy        thats what im doing :p
17:59 * jcamins        thought you meant there was going to be a lot of crying.
17:59 libsysguy        hehe
17:59 slef             magnus_afk: (seriously, let me know when you return...)
17:59 sekjal           the place on old ships where whales were... rendered
17:58 libsysguy        the blubber room?
17:57 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7735 trivial, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , Removal of C4::Dates where it's not used anymore
17:57 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6025 enhancement, P3, ---, matthias.meusburger, Pushed to Master , Script to recreate entries in the statistics table from the issues and oldissues table
17:57 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7600 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Have book cover image script return single-pixel gif data
17:57 * sekjal         preps the blubber room for 5549
17:57 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7697 trivial, P5 - low, ---, koha.sekjal, Pushed to Master , Clean up borrower.textmessaging leftover code
17:57 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7166 enhancement, P3, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Modify order notes when basket is closed
17:57 jenkins_koha     * adrien.saurat: Bug 7735: removal of C4::Dates when unused
17:57 jenkins_koha     * matthias.meusburger: Bug 6025: Adds a script that re-create missing statistics from issues and old_issues tables
17:57 jenkins_koha     * jcamins: Bug 7600: Return a single-pixel GIF when no local cover image exists
17:57 jenkins_koha     * koha.sekjal: Bug 7697: Remove unused textmessaging parameter from OPAC main/user
17:57 jenkins_koha     * jonathan.druart: Bug 7166: Adds edit order notes when the basket is closed
17:57 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7235 enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , Adding invoice number and vendor name to the moredetail page
17:57 jenkins_koha     * paul.poulain: Bug 7235 follow-up: removing some upper cases
17:57 jenkins_koha     * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7235: Add order date and checks for permissions
17:57 jenkins_koha     * srdjan: Bug 7235: Adding invoice number and vendor name to the moredetail page
17:57 jenkins_koha     Project Koha_master build #666: SUCCESS in 41 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/666/
17:57 sekjal           awesome
17:57 libsysguy        understood…I'll continue my testing and post the results
17:57 sekjal           may have sometime at the coffee break; otherwise, will need to wait until 4:30p Eastern
17:56 libsysguy        gotcha
17:56 slef             magnus_afk: 'ere, I want a word with you! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfdGV7uznfM ;-)
17:56 sekjal           libsysguy:  haven't had a chance yet; preconf session has picked back up
17:56 libsysguy        I couldn't reproduce with the ones I had
17:56 libsysguy        im about to start testing with odd circ rules
17:56 libsysguy        sekjal any luck with reproducing the hackfest bugs?
17:51 clrh             ++
17:44 clrh             mveron: thanks :)
17:43 * sekjal         has his work cut out for him.... 15 new bugs in the QAQ
17:42 mveron           Bon appetit #koha Marseille!
17:41 * jcamins        is looking forward to sign off statistics for March.
17:40 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7144 enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, Passed QA , Floating collection
17:40 jcamins          Heh. The only one I did not test on that list is bug 7144.
17:38 * magnuse        does dinner
17:38 magnuse          slef++
17:36 * slef           does more kohacon admin
17:34 huginn           gmcharlt: Quote #15: "<|Lupin|>ricardo: you are like the Portuguese Hitchcock!!" (added by wizzyrea at 02:58 PM, July 10, 2009)
17:34 gmcharlt         @quote random
17:31 magnuse          666, eh?
17:16 jenkins_koha     Starting build #666 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:16 huginn           New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7735: removal of C4::Dates when unused <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d266ccb81f7fa64d9a12ff20ca5b4e9388c3302c> / Bug 6025: Adds a script that re-create missing statistics from issues and old_issues... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d91bb113f04149c020c851a904de69619b6e9dd8> / Bug 7600: Return a single-pixel GIF when no local cover image exists <http://g
17:12 Oak              me go now. see you guys on 22nd March. night.
17:12 sekjal           and I want to throw some time at confirming/denying the issues that were found by the hackfesters
17:12 sekjal           just a little work left to be done on how to get the database updates deployed, which is largely up to paul_p.
17:11 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Failed QA , Hourly Loans
17:11 sekjal           from my analysis of the code, we're in very good shape on bug 5549
17:11 jcamins          Oh, there's an IRC meeting tomorrow.
17:11 Oak              oh good.
17:11 sekjal           libsysguy: finally figured out how to jump to the end of the git diff output
17:11 jcamins          Oak: I did, yes. It was in the topic.
17:09 gaetan_B         bye !
17:08 Oak              i hope i'm the only one who forgot.
17:08 Oak              jcamins,  did you wish cait on her birthday?
17:07 jcamins          Morning, rangi.
17:05 cait             don't worry about it
17:05 cait             that's ok :)
17:03 Oak              but i don't think i'll forget next time.
17:02 Oak              had a paper on 1st march, and another one on 3rd march. but no way to remind me...
17:01 Oak              cait :-(
17:01 Oak              crap, i was busy in exams and i missed your birthday...
17:00 cait             I confused dates :P
17:00 cait             the calendar is right
17:00 cait             it's me
17:00 cait             oh
16:59 Oak              :)
16:59 * cait           goes to correct her calendar
16:59 cait             oh
16:59 cait             perhaps I messed up my calendar then
16:59 jcamins          cait: I already asked. Tomorrow is.
16:59 cait             hmm
16:59 Oak              nope
16:59 Oak              back home?
16:59 cait             Oak, could it be that today is a special day?
16:59 cait             hello Oak
16:59 Oak              kia ora #koha
16:59 Oak              hello cait
16:58 oleonard         Bye #koha
16:38 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Failed QA , Hourly Loans
16:38 wahanui          bug is always bad news, particularly if you haven't filed it yet.
16:38 wizzyrea         what bug
16:38 wahanui          bug 5549 is your white whale
16:38 libsysguy        bug 5549
16:38 libsysguy        comment 49
16:37 wizzyrea         is*
16:37 wizzyrea         libsysguy, which iw the "latest fail qa"
16:37 libsysguy        just keep trucking :p
16:36 sekjal           we're almost there!
16:36 sekjal           np, libsysguy
16:36 libsysguy        thanks sekjal
16:36 libsysguy        ok cool
16:36 sekjal           libsysguy:  it doesn't matter the flag right now, since it's going through so much active testing
16:36 * libsysguy      is still a little green
16:36 libsysguy        ok I'll make a note, should I reflag it as signed off or leave it failed
16:35 sekjal           let's get all this in place first, then work on enhancing it
16:35 wizzyrea         scope_creep--
16:35 sekjal           as for "lacking", well, that sounds like followup stuff
16:35 sekjal           if you can't reproduce the error, note it on the bug report.  I'll try to get it, as well.  it may be that if they're using the sandbox, they don't have all the necessary DB updates
16:34 libsysguy        what are your thoughts
16:34 libsysguy        sekjal im a little confused about what to do with the latest Failed QA from hackfest…I can't reproduce the error, and the "lacking" section i think should wait
16:33 libsysguy        yeah I think he removed some of the patches I tried merging in
16:33 libsysguy        heh
16:32 sekjal           that's what's taking the time
16:32 sekjal           libsysguy:  I've done a diff between the version of 5549 from yesterday, and rangi's rebase (both rebased on master).... scanning through that now.  since it fixes the .po issue, there is A LOT of mindless scrolling to do
16:28 * oleonard       dares you
16:28 jcamins          oleonard: if I come across it again, I'll report it.
16:22 oleonard         jcamins, The only example I see is a template we don't use, opac-userdetails
16:21 jcamins          cait: there was one page that I couldn't find a way to address directly, so I worked around it, and thought "gee, we should have ids or classes."
16:21 cait             ah... I should scroll
16:20 cait             I mean on other high hiearchy tags, but not on body perhaps
16:20 cait             jcamins: we have id's on many pages in opac, not on the body tag i think
16:17 jcamins          I'll report a bug when I remember which page I was annoyed about not having any way to identify.
16:16 jcamins          oleonard: we do have ids? Good! I think we may have missed one or two, on the cart or the like.
16:15 oleonard         The idea of the classes in the staff client is to be able to give a common style to "modules"
16:15 oleonard         Well, unique ids
16:15 oleonard         jcamins, I think we do
16:15 jcamins          cait: we should have classes on the body tags in the OPAC, too... we don't yet, do we?
16:11 libsysguy        im tired of dealing with it and not being able to run the latest code in prod :p
16:11 libsysguy        I want this in lol
16:11 libsysguy        no worries
16:11 * oleonard       will submit a signoff for Bug 7760 as soon as Bugzilla wakes up
16:11 sekjal           brb
16:10 sekjal           thanks, libsysguy
16:10 libsysguy        im looking at the issues he saw
16:10 libsysguy        sekjal im wondering if that is because he's running a sandbox
16:10 sekjal           but I want to be sure all the issues I found are now addressed, and we're down to just fixing a few last things
16:10 reiveune         bye
16:10 sekjal           I did see it fail QA from Hackfest Testing
16:10 sekjal           still working on bug 5549, will hopefully have feedback soon
16:10 cait             :)
16:10 cait             bye sekjal
16:09 sekjal           okay, lunch time.   Room is insecure, so I'll vanish for a bit while I go eat
16:08 jcamins          sturmtruppen: yup.
16:08 sturmtruppen     i have to make a script in perl? oh my gosh...
16:05 sturmtruppen     jcamins: ok, thanks, i will try...
16:03 jcamins          sturmtruppen: ah, a couple of people have written scripts, including, I think, druthb in her koha-migration-toolbox repo, but documentation is a bit scarce, and I don't have any details.
16:02 sturmtruppen     jcamins: i know that, i would know i someone has already done that or where i can found the scheme for a right filling...
16:01 jcamins          sturmtruppen: you can write your own script, but there is no feature to do that in Koha.
16:01 wizzyrea         thanks rangi
16:01 rangi            going back to sleep now
16:01 rangi            just eating up all available connections
16:00 sturmtruppen     jcamins: i think it is possible, i have only to figure out how...
16:00 rangi            184.169.243.56 - - [20/Mar/2012:14:30:14 +0000] "HEAD /bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7300 HTTP/1.1" 200 295 "-" "UnwindFetchor/1.0 (+http://www.gnip.com/)"
16:00 rangi            89.151.116.53 - - [20/Mar/2012:14:30:13 +0000] "GET /bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7300 HTTP/1.1" 200 35416 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; TweetmemeBot/2.11; +http://tweetmeme.com/)"
16:00 rangi            fyi it was some bots a tweetmemebot, and a couple of others
16:00 mbalmer          17:00.  enough is enough ;)
15:59 jcamins          sturmtruppen: ah, there is no functionality for that.
15:59 libsysguy        bug 5339 is also looking for a second sign off :)
15:59 sturmtruppen     *books
15:58 sturmtruppen     by a script, without click "save" every book
15:58 jcamins          sturmtruppen: what do you mean, import automatically?
15:58 cait             but it would be cool if it could go in fast
15:58 cait             really easy to do
15:58 sturmtruppen     jcamins: import in the database of koha
15:58 libsysguy        cait++
15:57 magnuse          cait++
15:57 cait             and I am going to tackle the authority module next
15:57 wizzyrea         yes, I would like to make the administration pages red, the circ pages a soothing blue...
15:57 sturmtruppen     import in the database of koha
15:57 sekjal           further incentive:  template-based patches are easy to QA once signed off
15:56 cait             so I need sign-offers!
15:56 cait             ok
15:56 jcamins          sturmtruppen: what do you mean, import in Koha automatically?
15:56 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7760 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customizaton
15:55 libsysguy        yeah bug 7760 would be crucial
15:55 cait             to add a unique id and a class for the module to every page
15:55 cait             we have a bug going
15:55 reiveune         mbalmer: ping
15:55 huginn           04Bug 7760: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customizaton
15:55 cait             http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7760
15:55 melia            good morning
15:55 sekjal           cait:  I've had librarians complain about how stark and bright the staff client is with it's default CSS
15:55 paul_p           hi melia !
15:55 cait             oh
15:55 cait             first steps... 7760
15:55 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5339 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Parcel closing in acq
15:55 libsysguy        btw bug 5339 is looking good
15:55 cait             lol
15:54 * libsysguy      likes the shiny things
15:54 sturmtruppen     me me too!
15:54 libsysguy        me me cait
15:54 paul_p           cait me me !!! some chocolate if you submit one before the end of the week !
15:54 cait             who wants a colorful shiny staff interface?
15:53 magnuse          nice to meet you, paul_p :-)
15:53 cait             ok
15:53 paul_p           ok, i'm paul_p ;-)
15:53 magnuse          would maybe be ~5 people
15:53 magnuse          i have a small hope of doing a "hacking koha" workshop before the summer, where everyone gets to do a new framework for normarc as an exercise - but that might not happen...
15:52 wizzyrea         20 might be a stretch.
15:52 sturmtruppen     how can i import in koha automatically?
15:52 wizzyrea         so 11
15:52 sturmtruppen     i have all the UNIMARC data in a txt file
15:51 magnuse          furst new committer in 2012 was number 168
15:51 sturmtruppen     a little question...
15:49 jcamins          paul_p_: then maybe Shari will be able to be a 1xx committer. :)
15:49 paul_p_          gaetan_B++ (also because it's a huge patch)
15:49 wizzyrea         we've put on... how many already this year?
15:49 paul_p_          jcamins I don't think so. 22 new commiters is really big !
15:49 jcamins          paul_p_: do you think we'll have reached 200 before KohaCon?
15:48 jcamins          gaetan_B: congratulations!
15:48 gaetan_B         :-)
15:47 magnuse          woohoo for gaetan_B!
15:42 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7731 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Library should be used instead of branch and site
15:42 jenkins_koha     * paul.poulain: welcome gaetan, you're 179th !
15:42 jenkins_koha     * gaetan.boisson: Bug 7731 - Library should be used instead of branch and site
15:42 jenkins_koha     Project Koha_master build #665: SUCCESS in 41 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/665/
15:37 chris_n          [off] mtj: that is at least plausible
15:37 jcamins          [off] I think they (probably correctly) assume that most people can't be bothered to check.
15:33 mtj              jcamins:  i guess liblime assume (correctly?) that most people see the LLK github repo, and assume that its LLEK too :/
15:24 cait             [off] good queston
15:24 aalhaija         many thanks
15:23 jcamins          [off] mtj: I should ask.
15:23 aalhaija         many thanks
15:23 alex_a           dpavlin: http://search.cpan.org/~miyagawa/Plack-0.9986/lib/Plack/App/CGIBin.pm
15:22 mtj              [off] chris_n:  i sometimes wonder if those 13 waldo colleges are even aware, after 5 years, there is still *no* available LLEK code
15:22 wizzyrea         specifically http://koha-community.org/faq/zebra-indexing-wont-work-fix-it-aka-search-stuff-up-help/
15:21 jcamins          ^^ you might want to read that.
15:21 wahanui          it has been said that search faq is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/
15:21 jcamins          search faq?
15:21 aalhaija         koha as web is working but no data retrive when we try to search for any title
15:20 aalhaija         i am trying from 3 days to resotre the database was on old server to the new server
15:20 aalhaija         i new with koha administration and new in linux
15:19 wizzyrea         ah then it's moot
15:19 jcamins          wizzyrea: it hasn't made it into the package install yet, I think.
15:19 wizzyrea         but that could be wrong.
15:19 wizzyrea         so he could do koha-run-backups then koha-restore
15:19 wizzyrea         right - my understanding was that this data came from an old server, and was imported into a package install
15:18 jcamins          wizzyrea: you can't use koha-restore with a raw database dump.
15:18 aalhaija         no actully
15:17 jcamins          aalhaija: did you use the packages on your old server, too?
15:17 jcamins          Also, I don't recommend really using almiktabah as the name.
15:17 wizzyrea         what about koha-restore
15:17 jcamins          Then you need to restore from the dump into that database.
15:17 aalhaija         very nice
15:16 wizzyrea         package tools is <reply>  package tools can be found at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commands_provided_by_the_Debian_packages
15:16 jcamins          koha-create almiktabah
15:16 wizzyrea         package tools can be found at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commands_provided_by_the_Debian_packages
15:15 * wizzyrea       will add that
15:15 wizzyrea         package tools?
15:15 jcamins          This makes it very easy.
15:15 wizzyrea         package commands?
15:15 wahanui          package info is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.4_on_Debian_Squeeze
15:15 wizzyrea         packages?
15:15 wizzyrea         then you should use the package tools.
15:15 aalhaija         yes
15:15 jcamins          aalhaija: how did you install Koha? Did you use packages?
15:14 aalhaija         you means that we will import the records to the new database
15:14 wizzyrea         then, you can drop the koha-test db once you feel comfortable that your new db is working as you expect
15:14 wizzyrea         and you should be set.
15:14 wizzyrea         then edit your koha-conf.xml to reflect the new name
15:13 wizzyrea         import your backup into that new database
15:13 wizzyrea         create a new database with your required name
15:13 wizzyrea         like this
15:13 wizzyrea         ^^
15:13 wahanui          rumour has it back up koha is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Backing_up_Koha
15:13 wizzyrea         back up koha?
15:13 wizzyrea         is take a complete dump of the database
15:13 wizzyrea         what you probably want to do
15:12 wizzyrea         ok, here's the deal - the name is pretty much arbitrary. The user never sees it.
15:11 aalhaija         yes exactly
15:11 wizzyrea         and you want to change the name because it says koha-test or somesuch?
15:11 aalhaija         yes
15:11 wizzyrea         ok, so this is the database you are going to production with?
15:10 aalhaija         yes  i need all the records
15:10 aalhaija         from old server we have
15:10 wizzyrea         aalhaija: do you care about what's in the database you currently have?
15:09 jcamins          aalhaija: where did the other database come from?
15:09 aalhaija         new installation
15:09 aalhaija         the empty database i mean that come  with the installation
15:08 * wizzyrea       wonders if there was a hand from above touching it
15:08 jcamins          aalhaija: where did the empty database come from, then?
15:08 oleonard         wizzyrea, working now though
15:08 aalhaija         durring the installation
15:08 jcamins          paul_p: okay. I was going to say you should pause jenkins if it's on the same server.
15:07 wizzyrea         bugzilla is on a linode, it's rangi's
15:07 chris_n          jcamins: being able to parse through bugs based on a reliable status might be nice
15:07 paul_p           jcamins nope, BibLibre host jenkins, someone else host bugzilla
15:07 jcamins          aalhaija: where did the non-empty database come from?
15:07 cait             and there are some nice translation bugs waiting for a sign-off...
15:07 paul_p           [off] dpavlin I think this one is also related to plack, and another example = https://github.com/liblime/LibLime-Koha/commit/229da30e3d1be09020fe2c4d8e9c514e149b94cf
15:06 jcamins          wizzyrea was wondering how to make your job easier. :)
15:06 jcamins          chris_n: I was just telling people it would be much easier for you to do your release maintaining if there weren't so many bugs with a "pushed" status. Don't you think that's true?
15:05 chris_n          mtj: interesting
15:04 aalhaija         i installed koha on debian with empty database and everything is working ,,but now i need to restore database hold hundred of records to the server and connect koha to it
15:04 huginn           New commit(s) kohagit: welcome gaetan, you're 179th ! <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a8aa3b05e3cf13afc6de1dc63414d9055cfbbbef> / Bug 7731 - Library should be used instead of branch and site <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d500929cfdc653b85325f42a96bc5acc90015515>
15:01 jcamins          Is jenkins on the same server?
15:01 jenkins_koha     Starting build #665 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:01 jcamins          aalhaija: I think you need to explain *exactly* what you want to do.
15:01 aalhaija         okay , what next this step?
15:00 jcamins          aalhaija: don't create a new database with the same name. Use a different name.
15:00 aalhaija         do i need to do anything after create new database with the same name ?
15:00 wizzyrea         okies
14:59 gaetan_B         wizzyrea: i'll ask our librarians here, i brought this up after receiving a complaint from one library, and i was not really thinking about the otther side of the problem. If my complaint is isolated, i'd say let's jsut standardize it to "start with" search otherwise let's add an option. But i would be for standardizing.
14:58 jcamins          aalhaija: either create a new database, or use the database with the name it currently has.
14:58 paul_p           s/fixing/pushing/ ;-)
14:58 jcamins          paul_p: that's because you're fixing too many bugs! :P
14:58 jcamins          [off] I'm not sure I'd use LL's Plack code as a basis. I believe they have (or had) some stability problems that require restarting Apache every few days.
14:58 paul_p           OK, this time bugzilla is completly down :((((
14:57 jenkins_koha     * Chris Cormack: Bug 7408 : Fixing a typo that was breaking the installer
14:57 jenkins_koha     * paul.poulain: bug 7086 follow-up: removed warn
14:57 jenkins_koha     * paul.poulain: bug 7086 follow-up: removed warn
14:57 jenkins_koha     * adrien.saurat: Bug 7086 : "suggested by" fixed for staff members
14:57 jenkins_koha     * adrien.saurat: Bug 7434: Display of issue number for serials in overdues
14:57 jenkins_koha     Project Koha_master build #664: SUCCESS in 41 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/664/
14:57 aalhaija         so  what shall i do
14:57 libsysguy        ^^
14:57 jcamins          aalhaija: I'm not sure renaming the database is really a good idea.
14:56 aalhaija         i have a demo database runing on the server for koha but i need to new database to publish as real ????
14:55 oleonard         Ah, the exciting shiver in my spine when opening circulation.tt for editing...
14:55 wizzyrea         there he is.
14:55 dpavlin          paul_p: it seems that liblime opted to use our instead of my for plack, e.g. https://github.com/liblime/LibLime-Koha/commit/39f7fdb79654f3039443a769d979aeed214cac87
14:55 wahanui          i heard first question was "What are you trying to do?"
14:55 wahanui          the first question is "What are you trying to do?"
14:55 wizzyrea         remember he's on the same server as bugzilla :/
14:55 aalhaija         how can i change the Database name
14:55 jcamins          aalhaija: what are you trying to do?
14:54 wizzyrea         wahanui is sleeping.
14:54 cait             omg
14:54 cait             first question?
14:54 jcamins          The first question?
14:54 aalhaija         :-)
14:54 aalhaija         ?
14:54 aalhaija         Dears, i need to know how can i change the database name on koha using debian OS
14:53 jcamins          :)
14:53 * wizzyrea       is not made of wood
14:52 jcamins          wizzyrea: as long as you don't weigh the same as a duck, you probably won't be burned at the stake.
14:51 wizzyrea         i mean... i feel like I'm talking heresy here.
14:51 paul_p           it's exactly what we face I think
14:51 paul_p           dpavlin & hdl = http://modperlbook.org/html/6-2-Exposing-Apache-Registry-Secrets.html
14:51 wizzyrea         and with the patron search, you want the most refined, exact search you can do
14:51 libsysguy        darn conferences :p
14:51 wizzyrea         maybe what you want, with the checkout search, is the fastest, dirtiest search you can do
14:51 libsysguy        thanks sekjal!
14:50 wizzyrea         maybe in this one case, consistency isn't what you want.
14:50 * wizzyrea       considers
14:49 gaetan_B         also the text above the search field says "Enter patron card number or partial name:"
14:49 wizzyrea         yea, make it an optional thing and we'll be good. a "search contains" option would be handy. And fix the other search so it doesn't do that
14:48 sekjal           libsysguy:  working on 5549 currently; slowed by the conference workshop, but I'm on it, and will have a verdict by days end
14:48 wizzyrea         hehe
14:48 gaetan_B         in a way that doesn't suck ;)
14:48 gaetan_B         but as you say
14:48 gaetan_B         wizzyrea: i don't really have a definitive opinion on this. I brought this up because i received the opposite complaint regarding patron search. Since a problem exists in both ways of searching, we need to add some kind of option
14:48 sturmtruppen     hi wizzyrea
14:48 wizzyrea         hi sturmtruppen
14:47 sturmtruppen     good spring #koha!
14:46 oleonard         :D
14:45 wizzyrea         (in a way that doesn't suck)
14:45 wizzyrea         which we've always wanted.
14:45 wizzyrea         "advanced search"
14:45 wizzyrea         make it an optional-at-search-time thing
14:45 wizzyrea         instead of changing the default behavior
14:45 wizzyrea         you could add a checkbox to do a "contains" search
14:45 wizzyrea         perhaps
14:44 wizzyrea         the contains search that is currently in check-out causes complaints here - they don't want the noise
14:43 mveron           cait: soory, somebody at the door... back in 5 min
14:43 gaetan_B         but i agree making it consistent is a bigger priority
14:43 cait             mveron: should we take this into a pm?
14:43 gaetan_B         hence my suggestion ;)
14:42 cait             can't attach my patch
14:42 gaetan_B         wizzyrea: but when looking for someone whose cardnumber we don't have, i assume we might not have accurate information about how the patron has been entered in the database since we don't have his/her card
14:42 wizzyrea         but changing it to conatins
14:42 cait             and bugzilla is sleepy
14:42 wizzyrea         i agree we should have consistent search behavior
14:42 paul_p           grrr... github makes my FF crash
14:42 oleonard         gaetan_B Shouldn't we have consistent search behavior though?
14:42 paul_p           dpavlin https://github.com/liblime/LibLime-Koha
14:41 wizzyrea         you'd be amazed at what people find to complain about
14:41 paul_p           dpavlin nope, ptfs-europe is NOT ptfs
14:41 dpavlin          paul_p: is https://github.com/PTFS-Europe/koha correct one as opposed to https://github.com/ptfs/Koha-PTFS which is 2 years old?
14:41 gaetan_B         wizzyrea: i would think we don't need that much precision in check out, since we are scanning patrons barcodes usually, which are unique
14:41 huginn           oleonard: I've exhausted my database of quotes
14:41 oleonard         huginn, don't hold your breath
14:40 * libsysguy      will be stalking sekjal for bug 5549
14:40 libsysguy        gotcha
14:39 * dpavlin        tries to hang myself with sub {} within script which breaks pluck scoping....
14:39 wizzyrea         and wahanui is very slow
14:39 oleonard         sekjal is in a meeting I think libsysguy, at CIL
14:38 wahanui          sekjal was last seen on #koha 42 minutes and 20 seconds ago, saying: mbalmer:  the way the sysprefs got added for 7408 was... problematic [Tue Mar 20 13:56:26 2012]
14:38 wahanui          wizzyrea: sorry...
14:38 wizzyrea         so maybe there's something amok with the linode
14:38 wizzyrea         he's on the same server I think
14:38 libsysguy        seen sekjal
14:38 wizzyrea         wahanui just bounced
14:38 wizzyrea         but, you see
14:38 cait             did you break it?
14:38 cait             yes it's slow
14:38 wizzyrea         yea, I am now
14:37 oleonard         Anyone else having problems with Bugzilla?
14:37 wizzyrea         search *has* to be accurate.
14:37 wizzyrea         noise is a real issue when you have lots and lots of patrons
14:37 wizzyrea         I think we need to fix the real problem
14:37 wizzyrea         is a good idea
14:37 wizzyrea         I don't think making it a contains
14:36 wizzyrea         but it doesn't work for finding the last part of a separated surname
14:36 wizzyrea         our librarians don't like the way it works on the "check out" search
14:35 wizzyrea         sec checking 3.6.0
14:33 gaetan_B         :-/
14:33 wizzyrea         that would be not-good
14:33 wizzyrea         I hope no one broke 3 part name searching.
14:33 gaetan_B         yes i just updated
14:33 * wizzyrea       has not observed this
14:32 wizzyrea         and you are using master?
14:32 gaetan_B         (in patrons not in circulation)
14:32 gaetan_B         in my instance i have "Benjamin LA JOIE" a search for "joie" doesn't bring any result
14:32 wizzyrea         is first name "Henry James" surname "acevedo III"
14:32 wizzyrea         for example, the test patron I make
14:31 gaetan_B         but how do they manage with patrons with long/composed names ?
14:31 wizzyrea         i'm surprised that you find the villepin doesn't work - 2 and 3 part searching has been working
14:31 gaetan_B         hmmm
14:31 wizzyrea         i.e. my librarians would scream
14:31 wizzyrea         gaetan_B: I would consider what you propose to be a step in the wrong direction.
14:31 gaetan_B         i think it should be consistent and work in the same way in both
14:30 gaetan_B         wizzyrea: it works (like i expect it) in circulation.pl, but not in member.pl
14:30 wizzyrea         they are different
14:30 wizzyrea         are you talking about the search from Patrons or the patron search from the "check out" box
14:29 mtj              http://www.educause.edu/sites/default/files/library/presentations/NC11/PS06/KohaPoster.pdf
14:29 gaetan_B         at the moment a search for "Villepin" wouldn't bring any result
14:29 wizzyrea         which search are you looking at?
14:29 gaetan_B         wizzyrea: my take on it is that we should always use a "contain" search, which would generate some noise but make it easy to find patrons with names like "De Villepin"
14:27 mveron           Of course!
14:27 cait             I would like to finish this table
14:27 cait             mveron: give me 10 mins?
14:26 gaetan_B         i was discussing patron search with kf just now
14:26 gaetan_B         wizzyrea: hello :)
14:02 wizzyrea         still not terrible.
14:02 * mveron         Waves to mbalmer
14:01 mtj              this is kinda cute -> http://www.educause.edu/NC11/Program/PS06
14:01 oleonard         wizzyrea, Ubuntu Firefox: http://www.screencast.com/t/MLqK5XKn
14:01 clrh             mbalmer: you talk me about a poc, did you share it somewhere?
13:58 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7408 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha.sekjal, Signed Off , Expire holds that have been waiting too long
13:58 * paul_p         on bug 7408 follow-up now
13:56 sekjal           mbalmer:  the way the sysprefs got added for 7408 was... problematic
13:56 wizzyrea         "hey idiot, this is the one I was complaining about"
13:55 wizzyrea         I actually like it better in firefox - it keeps your eye on the ball
13:55 maximep          looks good in chrome... really incredibly ugly in ff
13:55 wizzyrea         maximep https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/bobleah/entry/html5_example_form_validation_and_form_elements141?lang=en
13:55 oleonard         Anyway, I think the answer is that since validator complaints are the only downside I should proceed until I find otherwise
13:54 wizzyrea         (plus, mac)
13:54 wizzyrea         that was the latest one that auto-update gave me
13:54 oleonard         wizzyrea: And my Firefox looks different than yours too
13:52 wizzyrea         http://screencast.com/t/4jIwgzWRfr1
13:52 wizzyrea         first chrome, 2nd firefox
13:51 oleonard         maximep, I assume not, but I don't know
13:51 wizzyrea         I didn't think they were particularly ugly.
13:51 maximep          they are so ugly by default :/
13:50 maximep          is it possible yet to style html5 validations to look the same in all browsers ?
13:50 * oleonard       ignores all questions about converting the templates to html5
13:50 wizzyrea         gotya
13:50 oleonard         valid html5 yes, just not valid according to our doctype
13:49 wizzyrea         it's pretty in firefox too
13:49 wizzyrea         but it's valid html5, right?
13:48 oleonard         I think validator complaints are really the only downside that I know of at this stage
13:48 * wizzyrea       taps her toe while firefox updates
13:48 oleonard         (and newer browsers with JS enabled)
13:48 oleonard         Since I'm proposing to add some consistent JS validation to the staff client older browsers would be covered by that
13:48 * wizzyrea       tries it in firefox
13:47 wizzyrea         I like that.
13:47 oleonard         Older browsers won't enforce it, but they won't break either
13:47 oleonard         http://www.w3schools.com/html5/tryit.asp?filename=tryhtml5_input_required
13:47 wizzyrea         (incompatibility with older browsers, for 1, I'm sure)
13:47 wizzyrea         downsides?
13:46 wizzyrea         ooo
13:46 oleonard         For modern browsers it gives browser-enforced validation of required fields (javascript-independent)
13:45 wizzyrea         what does it give us?
13:45 oleonard         We've already added the nonstandard "autocomplete" attribute in some places
13:44 oleonard         While I'm dealing with markup related to required fields, is it time to add the HTML5 "required" attribute?
13:44 mbalmer          sekjal, at least in .ch we usually terminate sql statements with a ';'… ;P
13:44 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7408 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha.sekjal, Signed Off , Expire holds that have been waiting too long
13:44 sekjal           mbalmer:  that was bug 7408
13:43 wahanui          git blame is handy, but it's just one tool in our debugging arsenal
13:43 wizzyrea         git blame?
13:43 mbalmer          line 352..
13:43 mbalmer          who added 'ExpireReservesMaxPickUpDelayCharge' to sysprefs.sql??
13:42 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6209 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Standardize on one javascript library for client-side form validation
13:42 oleonard         I have a question about Bug 6209, having just begun some work on it
13:41 oleonard         Ready to bring to KohaCon sekjal :)
13:39 wizzyrea         ooh IPA
13:39 sekjal           I think those need to condition longer... probably won't be ready until May/June
13:38 sekjal           next batch is going to be an IPA
13:38 wizzyrea         ^.^
13:37 sekjal           that'd be awesome!
13:37 wizzyrea         guess we'll have to figure a way to get the girl to the brew then.
13:37 wizzyrea         hehe
13:37 sekjal           wizzyrea: I would totally mail you some if it wasn't illegal
13:36 * wizzyrea       conspires a way to try some of sekjal's beer
13:35 sekjal           yeah, I'm encouraged.  I know what I can do to improve things, so my next run should begin shortly
13:35 JesseM           not too bad for a first run at it
13:34 sekjal           easy drinkin'
13:34 sekjal           turned out pretty good.... a little sweet, light on the carbonation
13:34 JesseM           very nice
13:34 sekjal           had some last weekend
13:34 sekjal           bottled, conditioned, and served!
13:34 JesseM           Hey sekjal hows the brew coming?
13:33 sekjal           morning, JesseM
13:33 JesseM           Morning #koha
13:33 magnuse          alaquerre++
13:31 magnuse          wizzyrea: yup :-(
13:29 alaquerre        All right, again thanks for your input and have a good one.
13:29 sekjal           alaquerre:  great :)
13:29 alaquerre        sekjal: Don't worry :-), that's my plan.   I would like to have the smallest delta we can have against the community.
13:29 wizzyrea         magnuse: that looks interesting - proprietary though :(
13:26 sekjal           alaquerre:  any reworking you do, I'd recommend keeping the whole module in mind, and sharing any development plans publicly with the rest of Koha
13:26 alaquerre        sekjal : Well that's a problem we live with right now, so for sure we will be only looking forward.  The people really hate this section and is asking for lot's of change.  They would like to have "real" user account management tools.  Ok, I'll look here on what we can do and share it to the community after that. Thanks.
13:23 sekjal           alaquerre:  you'd have a "cut point" in your data... before it doesn't have itemnumber, after it does... this would need to be factored into the reports you run and the expectations your librarians have
13:22 alaquerre        :-) okay - Do you see any thing wrong adding this ?  ( Any side effect we need to think of ? )
13:21 oleonard         sekjal, That's a generous way to put it ;)
13:20 sekjal           alaquerre:  probably no reason, no... the whole Accounts area of Koha has grown very organically
13:19 alaquerre        Good morning #Koha.  Is there any reason why when we do writeoff, the table accountlines dont save the itemnumber  ?  Because of that, it's really hard to read a user account because you dont really know where the writeoff is tie to.
13:13 edveal           Thanks oleonard, I will not be spending a great deal of time on this. Just wanted confirmation that I was right.
13:10 oleonard         It's possible if clumsy.
13:09 oleonard         Pending that you'd have to do a brute-force search for div.alert > span [starts with="your card..."] (that's just a diagram, not real syntax)
13:09 edveal           That was what I thought.
13:08 oleonard         edveal, I don't see an easy way to do that. It would be a nice enhancement to add unique IDs to each error message generated by the template
13:08 * jcamins_away   stops channelling Monty Python, and gets ready to go.
13:08 jcamins_away     I want to buy some cheese!
13:07 edveal           oleonard OPAC?
13:07 oleonard         edveal, OPAC or intranet?
13:05 hdl              slef: just asked on #plack for a site using plack
13:05 edveal           Anyone know how to go about changing the text in the class "dialog alert" for when a patrons card is about to expire?
13:04 sekjal           workshop is starting...
13:02 slef             hdl: you like estate agents?
12:49 hdl              www.foxtons.co.uk
12:48 hdl              https://docs.google.com/a/biblibre.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AicRpO68EOB7dEt2MGhmeHZYZ05ISTRVc2pIa25IQ1E#gid=0
12:43 * sekjal         is in his all-day Usability workshop, waiting for it to all begin
12:43 sekjal           hi, cait!
12:42 * cait           waves :)
12:40 sekjal           the more librarians, the better.  they may find hidden strangeness I wouldn't otherwise find
12:40 sekjal           paul_p:  great!
12:40 paul_p           hi sekjal. 3 librarians are playing with it this afternoon at the hackfest (on sandbox 6)
12:40 sekjal           I think rangi and libsysguy addressed everything I had found problematic
12:39 sekjal           paul_p: I'm going to finish testing the improvements to Hourly Loans today
12:38 huginn           magnuse: The operation succeeded.
12:38 magnuse          @later tell wizzyrea http://librarygame.co.uk/
12:38 asaurat          indeed :D
12:38 magnuse          asaurat: sounds like lovely way to go :-)
12:36 asaurat          death by cheese
12:33 mbalmer          a bit of docs on the PostgreSQL stuff Stephan and I worked on this morning: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/PostgreSQL
12:32 sekjal           morning, #koha
12:19 Oak              me go now
12:18 Oak              hello cait :)
12:18 Oak              kia ora #koha
12:18 mtj              vfernandes: why not use ubuntu/debian, and not opensuse... problem solved?
12:13 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7719 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Change state of controls based on whether boxes are checked
12:13 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6440 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Koha's OAI-PMH does not support sets
12:13 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7696 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , NORMARC lacks staff results XSLT
12:13 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7526 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , longoverdue.pl leaves items marked as lost as still checked out to patron
12:13 jenkins_koha     * oleonard: Bug 7719 - Change state of controls based on whether boxes are checked
12:13 jenkins_koha     * julian.maurice: Bug 6440: Implement OAI-PMH Sets
12:13 jenkins_koha     * magnus: Bug 7696 - NORMARC lacks staff results XSLT
12:13 jenkins_koha     * kyle: Bug 7526 - longoverdue.pl leaves items marked as lost as still checked out to patron
12:13 jenkins_koha     Project Koha_master build #663: SUCCESS in 41 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/663/
11:48 magnuse          you bet!
11:48 oleonard         Time to be jealous, everyone!
11:48 magnuse          and probably french cheese at that? :-)
11:48 magnuse          woot!
11:48 oleonard         Cheese for lunch!
11:32 vfernandes       i'm driving crazy :/
11:31 jenkins_koha     Starting build #663 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
11:28 vfernandes       opac-MARCDetail.pl charset: us-ascii
11:28 vfernandes       opac-detail.pl charset: utf8
11:28 vfernandes       more information
11:25 vfernandes       i don't know what to do more :/
11:25 huginn           New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7719 - Change state of controls based on whether boxes are checked <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=74753b4b69eba4a23a8e37f48bf402482136a367> / Bug 6440: Implement OAI-PMH Sets <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3b0d4e04e09f37e8dcbaba71abd47980bfef7059> / Bug 7696 - NORMARC lacks staff results XSLT <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdif
11:16 cait             jcamins++
11:16 cait             yay!
11:15 vfernandes       could be tmpl or encodings? sometimes SVN changes the encoding
11:14 jcamins_away     :D No more e-mails from jenkins!
11:14 vfernandes       the database is fine because it's working in another enviromment
11:13 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7724 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Tests requiring Zebra should be skipped if Zebra isn't set up
11:13 jenkins_koha     jcamins: Bug 7724: Skip Linker test if Zebra isn't set up
11:13 jenkins_koha     Project Koha_master build #662: FIXED in 41 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/662/
11:13 jenkins_koha     Yippie, build fixed!
11:13 francharb        0/ #koha
11:13 mbalmer          amazaing.  PostgreSQL layer proof of concept works, including unit tests
11:12 jcamins_away     57 unread messages on the Koha lists.
11:09 vfernandes       LANG=pt_PT.UTF-8
11:06 cait             http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Encoding_and_Character_Sets_in_Koha
11:04 cait             what is your Locale?
11:04 vfernandes       I have another installation of Koha on Ubuntu Server where the database is the same but the encoding problem doesn't exist
11:02 mtj              vfernandes: load your database into a debian koha... does your encoding problem still exist?
11:01 vfernandes       http://koha.ulusiada.pt/cgi-bin/koha/opac-MARCdetail.pl?biblionumber=84701
10:59 vfernandes       mtj i'm using opensuse
10:58 cait             utf8 is correct
10:58 vfernandes       ok... i've changed the mysql configuration to a large database but the encoding stills utf8... can this change cause the encoding problem?
10:58 mtj              vfernandes:  ... or use debian?
10:55 cait             perhaps you might want to go and look there
10:55 cait             there  are some hints about encoding on the wiki
10:55 cait             I am not sure
10:54 vfernandes       cait: the same database in another Koha installation as no encoding problems
10:54 cait             we might be away for lunch or something, but I am sure someone will be here
10:54 mveron           Thanks. Till later...
10:54 cait             mveron: just jump in here
10:53 cait             of course
10:53 vfernandes       the data on the tables are correct
10:53 mveron           Cait: Can we figure it out in the afternoon? - Should run away for a meeting..
10:53 vfernandes       the encoding of mysql is utf8
10:52 cait             vfernandes: pehaps it#s aproblem with your mysql configuration?
10:52 vfernandes       anyone had already this problem?
10:52 cait             we could try to figure it out together?
10:52 vfernandes       i'm having also problems on cataloguing pages
10:52 cait             I think oyu might have skipped a step or 2
10:51 cait             ok
10:51 mveron           yes
10:51 cait             mveron: still around?
10:51 vfernandes       on the opac-MARCDetail
10:51 cait             the sign-off line is missing
10:51 cait             ah no
10:51 vfernandes       today I was doing another installation of Koha to another client and I having some encoding problems
10:51 cait             it looks good to me
10:51 cait             mveron++ :)
10:49 mveron           Hope that it is OK like this?
10:49 mveron           Thanks, magnuse. I followed the steps in http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration.
10:49 vfernandes       hi guys
10:32 jenkins_koha     Starting build #662 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #644 12 j ago)
10:28 magnuse          mveron: see http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sign_off_on_patches
10:28 magnuse          thanks paul_p!
10:25 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7696 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Passed QA , NORMARC lacks staff results XSLT
10:25 paul_p           magnuse pushing bug 7696 now ;-)
10:25 huginn           New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7724: Skip Linker test if Zebra isn't set up <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9f7e340f82f8e430389683153ddf300c9a64c2a0>
10:19 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7737 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Needs Signoff , Use of date filters on bookseller pages
10:19 mveron           sorry, mistaked, bug 7737, should put my glasses...
10:18 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7733 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , HidePatronName not working on moredetail
10:18 mveron           I'm learning git... Checked out Bug 7733, applied, tested, dates are displayed correctly.  Next step?
10:17 mveron           dunno?
10:16 paul_p           dunno about moules marinières ;-)
10:16 paul_p           bonjour mveron. mbalmer arrived here, with some swiss chocolates :D
10:16 * mveron         Hopes that mbalmer had a good flight an tht he got some Moules mrainières yesterday
10:16 magnuse          hiya mveron
10:15 mveron           Bonjour #koha
10:02 hdl              https://github.com/eiro/p5-plack-devel-debug-devel-size/blob/master/lib/Plack/Middleware/Debug/Devel/Size.pm
09:56 cait             good  night :)
09:56 * rangi          goes to sleep
09:50 rangi            http://kohakenya.wordpress.com/2012/03/20/r-i-p-the-kardex/
09:27 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7724 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Tests requiring Zebra should be skipped if Zebra isn't set up
09:27 magnuse          bug 7724
09:26 paul_p           starting with 7724, that should fix jenkns, hopefully
09:26 cait             paul_p: :)
09:26 * paul_p         now head to pushing patches...
09:25 mbalmer          http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/PostgreSQL
09:21 cait             :)
09:20 oleonard         I'm not used to talking out loud about Koha more than I type about Koha here
08:42 hdl              SCRIPT_URI=https://catalogue.univ-lyon3.fr/cgi-bin/koha/opac-user.pl PERL5LIB=/home/kohaadmin/src KOHA_CONF=/home/kohaadmin/etc/koha-conf.xml starman -M FindBin --workers 6 --port 5000 --pid /home/kohaadmin/var/run/starman.pid /home/kohaadmin/prod.psgi 2>/home/kohaadmin/var/log/starman.err >/home/kohaadmin/var/log/starman.log &
08:41 hdl              SCRIPT_URI=https://catalogue.univ-lyon3.fr/cgi-bin/koha/opac-user.pl PERL5LIB=/home/kohaadmin/src KOHA_CONF=/home/kohaadmin/etc/koha-conf.xml starman --workers 6 --port 5000 --pid /home/kohaadmin/var/run/starman.pid /home/kohaadmin/prod.psgi 2>/home/kohaadmin/var/log/starman.err >/home/kohaadmin/var/log/starman.log &
08:41 hdl              #!/bin/bash
08:40 mbalmer          we are in the small box on the left side
08:40 mbalmer          clrh, we started.
08:38 rangi            pm responsibility?
08:38 clrh             mbalmer: if you talk about pm responsability  and database layer, please ping me, I am interested to participate
08:37 clrh             just for information if you need it: https://github.com/clrh/koha_community
08:32 rangi            there was an error in syspref.sql that breaks new installs
08:32 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7408 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha.sekjal, Signed Off , Expire holds that have been waiting too long
08:32 rangi            if you have a sec today, bug 7408
08:31 rangi            heya paul_p
08:17 clrh             hello rangi
08:16 rangi            hi Guillaume and clrh
08:14 wahanui          hi, clrh
08:14 clrh             hello
08:11 asaurat          hi !
08:10 cait             hi magnuse and rangi :)
08:10 matts            hi !
08:09 rangi            hi matts asaurat and cait
08:09 * magnuse        waves to cait and asaurat
08:08 magnuse          hiya Joubu
08:08 rangi            hi Joubu
08:07 Joubu            hello
08:04 magnuse          bucklame - the city that never sleeps...
08:04 eythian_bucklame not terribly late, 9pm. Just sitting playing games on my laptop.
08:04 * oleonard       isn't used to calculating your time from France :)
08:04 rangi            hi oleonard and eythian_bucklame
08:04 oleonard         Late hour for you eythian_bucklame ?
08:03 eythian_bucklame hi
08:03 magnuse          hiya eythian_bucklame and oleonard
07:58 mbalmer          bonjour
07:56 magnuse          i better bring more next year...
07:54 magnuse          awww...
07:53 alex_a           there's no more magnuse's chocolate at biblibre this morning
07:52 magnuse          bonjour alex_a
07:52 alex_a           bonjour #koha
07:51 rangi            heh
07:51 magnuse          ooh, nice temperature for for sitting in a room full of glowing computers
07:50 huginn           magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 7.0°C (8:30 AM CET on March 20, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa (Steady).
07:50 magnuse          @wunder marseille
07:50 magnuse          ah france is waking up
07:50 magnuse          yup
07:49 rangi            complementary
07:49 rangi            :)
07:49 magnuse          guess we had two different angles then :-)
07:49 magnuse          ah, ok, mine was there's plenty of support companies to choose from if ever you need one
07:48 rangi            that was the gist of mine
07:48 rangi            that its typical of companies that have stopped innovating to use FUD
07:47 magnuse          bet it's the same comment, more or less :-)
07:47 rangi            :)
07:47 magnuse          me too
07:47 rangi            i actually left a comment on there its still waiting moderation :)
07:45 magnuse          yay! http://emillymcleay.com/2011/10/27/thats-brave/
07:44 kmkale           got to run. BBL
07:44 magnuse          namaskar kmkale
07:44 kmkale           Namaste magnuse :)
07:39 magnuse          kia ora #koha
07:36 kmkale           Thanks rangi
07:35 wahanui          salut, reiveune
07:35 reiveune         hello
07:35 rangi            there is a syspref for it
07:35 rangi            tis much faster, and you dont have those issues anymore :)
07:35 rangi            you can use memcached for sessions
07:35 rangi            also
07:34 rangi            16 1 * * * $KOHA_CRON_PATH/cleanup_database.pl --sessions --zebraqueue 10
07:34 rangi            yep
07:33 kmkale           the database cleanup one?
07:32 rangi            there is a cron job you might like to set up on th enew hardware
07:32 kmkale           thanks rangi :)
07:32 rangi            yep thats safe to do
07:32 kmkale           This table has grown huge
07:31 kmkale           I am migrating a large Koha installation to newer hardware. Is it safe to truncate the sessions table before taking the backup?
07:11 cait             :)
07:11 cait             yeah, but warmer!
07:10 rangi            heh its pretty yuck
07:08 cait             can I come over?
07:04 huginn           rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0°C (7:00 PM NZDT on March 20, 2012). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
07:04 rangi            @wunder nzwn
07:04 cait             hm
07:04 huginn           cait: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 4.0°C (7:30 AM CET on March 20, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa (Rising).
07:04 cait             @wunder marseille
06:51 rangi            no load on the server, but if i 403 it, they might notice and fix it :)
06:50 rangi            then starting again
06:50 rangi            downloading almost all of a file,
06:50 mtj              heh s/ddos/dos/ :)
06:50 rangi            its most likely just someones download tool being retarded
06:50 rangi            and its the bugs/download server
06:49 rangi            naw, you cant do a ddos with 1 ip :)
06:49 mtj              someone ddos-ing the Koha git server?
06:49 rangi            i think most likely badly configured software
06:49 mtj              oh really ... ?  :/
06:46 rangi            just had to block another couple of ip from download
06:40 rangi            hmm
05:26 rangi            Hackfest going well hdl?
05:26 rangi            Evening
05:16 huginn           hdl: The operation succeeded.
05:16 hdl              @later tell lds other reading :http://git.661346.n2.nabble.com/RFC-PATCH-0-5-gitweb-Proof-of-concept-of-PSGI-interface-td7340344.html
05:16 huginn           hdl: The operation succeeded.
05:16 hdl              @later tell lducos other reading :http://git.661346.n2.nabble.com/RFC-PATCH-0-5-gitweb-Proof-of-concept-of-PSGI-interface-td7340344.html
05:16 huginn           hdl: The operation succeeded.
05:16 hdl              @later tell dpavlin other reading :http://git.661346.n2.nabble.com/RFC-PATCH-0-5-gitweb-Proof-of-concept-of-PSGI-interface-td7340344.html
05:15 huginn           hdl: The operation succeeded.
05:15 hdl              @later tell lds some nice reading to go further into PSGI integration into Koha http://advent.plackperl.org/2009/12/day-8-adapting-web-frameworks-to-psgi.html
05:15 huginn           hdl: The operation succeeded.
05:15 hdl              @later tell lducos some nice reading to go further into PSGI integration into Koha http://advent.plackperl.org/2009/12/day-8-adapting-web-frameworks-to-psgi.html
05:15 huginn           hdl: The operation succeeded.
05:15 hdl              @later tell dpavlin some nice reading to go further into PSGI integration into Koha http://advent.plackperl.org/2009/12/day-8-adapting-web-frameworks-to-psgi.html
01:49 Judit            fair enough
01:49 rangi            so it doesnt know which help file to show
01:49 Judit            i see
01:49 rangi            http://intranet.bywatersolutions.com/cgi-bin/koha/mainpage.pl
01:48 rangi            not
01:48 rangi            ie you are at http://intranet.bywatersolutions.com/
01:48 rangi            its only when you dont have a page
01:48 Judit            okay then
01:48 Judit            so we have a bug for it
01:48 Judit            thanks
01:48 Judit            works now
01:48 Judit            aha
01:48 rangi            cant remember what it is
01:48 rangi            there is a bug for it
01:48 rangi            and it will now work
01:48 rangi            click on somethign then go back
01:48 Judit            main
01:47 rangi            yeah its because that page doesnt have a proper name
01:47 rangi            all pages or just the mainpage.pl
01:47 Judit            same happens here: http://intranet.bywatersolutions.com/
01:47 Judit            Template process failed: file error - /home/koha/kohaclone/koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/help/.tt: not found at /home/koha/kohaclone/C4/Templates.pm line 126.
01:47 Judit            the help pages on the staff client
01:46 Judit            i have something weird here, and couldnt find it in bugzilla
01:46 Judit            hi
01:30 Oak              in any case... still, at least after an hour from now. electricity is about to go out here.
01:29 rangi            hmm we need some sample items in the sample data
01:28 rangi            its just a typo fix
01:26 Oak              i mean i'll talk to cait first, she'll know if should do it or not. someone does it before me, no problem.
01:23 Oak              I'll do it. But will do it after 5-6 hours. if someone does it before then... okay.
01:23 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7408 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha.sekjal, Needs Signoff , Expire holds that have been waiting too long
01:23 rangi            bug 7408
01:22 rangi            who wants an easy signoff?
01:20 Oak              yes.
01:20 jcamins          So tomorrow.
01:19 Oak              :) it's on 21st March
01:18 jcamins          I heard a rumor that it's your birthday. Is that true?
01:16 Oak              kia ora #koha
01:03 talljoy          sweet
01:03 wahanui          hourly loans are indeed on the horizon, that would help you. Patron records can be kept indefinitely (though probably you'd want to archive them periodically
01:03 rangi            hourly loans
01:03 talljoy          what's up?
01:03 rangi            yo
01:01 talljoy          yo
00:48 rangi            all apart from the test
00:48 rangi            done
00:48 rangi            http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=wip/koha-catalyst.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/merged_5549
00:44 sekjal           night, #koha
00:44 sekjal           k
00:44 jcamins          Go to sleep.
00:44 jcamins          lol
00:44 sekjal           (then I hope it's enjoyable)
00:44 sekjal           (unless you're attending one)
00:44 sekjal           (for the night, not necessarily the conference)
00:44 sekjal           thanks, you too
00:44 jcamins          And enjoy your conference.
00:44 jcamins          Have a good night.
00:44 jcamins          Yay!
00:43 sekjal           okay, I'm done for the night.  looking forward to wrapping up 5549, hopefully tomorrow
00:38 libsysguy        bbl
00:38 libsysguy        ok going to spend some time with the gf
00:37 libsysguy        gotcha
00:37 jcamins          I reported a bug about the missing release notes.
00:37 libsysguy        the curse of the CS degree :p
00:37 rangi            yeah im nearly done
00:37 libsysguy        you've been trucking
00:36 sekjal           libsysguy: you're doing awesome... I've been told I'm not the easiest person to communicate with sometimes
00:36 libsysguy        so if you're already at that one
00:36 libsysguy        gotcha
00:36 rangi            and that one can fix that
00:36 rangi            so i think ill not touch the release notes at all with 5549
00:36 rangi            jcamins has luckily opened a bug for that already
00:36 rangi            i think outside the scope of 5549
00:36 * libsysguy      will understand sekjal one day :-/
00:35 libsysguy        ohh i misunderstood
00:35 sekjal           either all the release notes, or none of them
00:35 sekjal           my interest is in making things be consistent
00:35 rangi            yeah i think ill leave that patch out
00:35 sekjal           rangi:  that doesn't sound like a good thing
00:34 rangi            sekjal: ... did you want all the release notes removed? because thats what this patch from libsysguy does
00:34 sekjal           that was the plan
00:34 sekjal           yes
00:34 sekjal           eythian_bucklame:  ah, yes, that...
00:34 eythian_bucklame sekjal: break circulation for a day so that librarians don't forget how to do it manually
00:34 jcamins          sekjal: possibly. It works properly with NORMARC, so rather than messing with magnuse's domain, I set it to not UNIMARC.
00:33 sekjal           eythian_bucklame:  huh?  which what and the who now?
00:33 eythian_bucklame haha. So does Liberty apparently.
00:33 jcamins          eythian_bucklame: ooh, Voyager has that!
00:33 sekjal           for 7702:  shouldn't a MARC21 only test only work for MARC21, not just 'not UNIMARC'?
00:33 libsysguy        im baaaacccckkk :) for a second
00:33 eythian_bucklame sekjal: so you're suggesting implementing a random "fall back to paper" mode, to keep people on their toes? :)
00:31 jcamins          Fair enough.
00:31 sekjal           jcamins:  I think this will have to be the last.  I'm feeling like I did right before I broke Circulation for day
00:31 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4045 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , No check for maximum number of allowed holds.
00:31 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7065 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , reserves table needs a primary key
00:30 jcamins          You could offer your opinion on bug 7065 or bug 4045.
00:30 jcamins          lol
00:30 eythian_bucklame "Add a default XXX item type" or something perhaps
00:29 jcamins          eythian_bucklame: hmm.
00:29 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7617 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority search results should optionally be sorted by system order
00:29 jcamins          Bug 7617 isn't too difficult either.
00:29 eythian_bucklame jcamins: apparently he wants something steamy
00:29 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7702 minor, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Test for C4::Heading::MARC21 should only run under MARC21
00:29 jcamins          Bug 7702.
00:29 jcamins          sekjal: I'll find a nice easy one for you.
00:28 * sekjal         is losing steam
00:24 jcamins          That was a nice commit message.
00:24 jcamins          I forgot I used the word "agitas" in a commit message.
00:24 jcamins          Hehe.
00:19 rangi            all flu jabbed, back into it
00:18 rangi            so that its much easier to debug/check
00:18 rangi            commit messages too
00:18 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, tdavis, Failed QA , Hourly Loans
00:18 rangi            libsysguy_dinner: giving them all nice bug 5549 :
00:08 sekjal           okay, the QAQ is well under control... moving on to the Needs Signoff bugs